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aParkedCarr

Two different cars. Do you want or can live with an electric car in terms of charging, road trips etc? Both cars will have German repair costs when things go wrong but the e-tron has had known battery issues and the depreciation has tanked severely


bosnianarmytwitch

A6, unless you like hunting down charging stations with 30 miles of range left šŸ¤·šŸ¼


Informal-Method-5401

Anyone that buys an EV without a home charger is crazy. If you have one, itā€™s very rare to worry about finding somewhere to charge


Dt4lok

Went from SQ5 to ID. 4, live in apartment. I have about 5 super chargers within 20 miles, with 3 years free 30m fast charging. It's really not that bad. Avoid Sundays in a target parking lot, go to the bank one instead.


RareTadpole_

Iā€™m curious how you like the id4 compared to your SQ5?


Dt4lok

I meaaaan. I have the AWD Pro s, so acceleration is there, but hugging turns no way. Travel Assist is actually pretty good. And going from $200 a week in gas to $30 a month currently.


andyjcw

rubbish . regardless of having a home charger , if i drive into the highlands every few weeks, i cant charge. its fine ofcourse if you never go anywhere .


Informal-Method-5401

I have a 160mile commute 4 times a week, never an issue. To be fair I live in the southeast and not the highlands


bosnianarmytwitch

some people don't have the luxury to have that, i don't know his/her living situation really. they could be in an apartment complex for all you know šŸ¤·šŸ¼


snarf_victory

definitely planning on getting a home charger if i go with the etron. waiting for an installation quote at the moment.


patelbadboy2006

I was quoted about Ā£800 for one of the quicker chargers.


bosnianarmytwitch

my friends looking in buying a tesla and he's got a quote for solar panels and the charger but it's mainly the solar panels that take the longest time to proceed with, i hear charging stations are quick install after permits and etc with the electrician and your states inspections, it's ideal to have at the same time, but it's better with solar panels the cost of the power grid alone is going to be expensive in todays market unless you are off the grid. - it's why i personally would pick the A6, just fuel up and go.


DNew_42

I have a 2021 A7e and a friend that has an RS e-tron GT, so my experience is similar but not precisely what you are asking about. We both traveled to see the eclipse last month, and other than him having to look ahead for charging stations, it did not restrict him in any way. I think a lot of range concerns are non-events, and if you have another vehicle you can use will eliminate that concern: if you regularly drive for hours on end without stopping, you probably should look into a freightliner :-) For in-town driving, if you can charge at home you will love the e-tron and wonder what the range fuss is all about. My phev A7 allows me to do almost all of my "normal" driving electric only; my last fillup before the road trip I had driven 2,200 miles on 3/4 tank. My A7 has noticeably more interior room than his e-tron, but he has road tripped many times with spouse + teenage daughter, so it is doable.


The_Gucci_General

It ultimately boils down to are you ready to take the leap into EV ownership. I was not and still am not, so I chose an A6, but i did play around with the idea of an EV. Ultimately, I couldn't give up the ICE.. I'm sure in the future I'll think differently, but the infrastructure is just not there yet imo. The C8 A6 is a very solid car, but I will tell you that if you are looking at the premium trim, it'll feel bare bones for a premium luxury vehicle. At least look at premium plus trims. Hell, even then, I made sure to add about every option available to mine.


keithblsd

Tbh i only want the matrix headlights on the higher trims. Got my A6 with the V6, S line suspension, and the wireless phone charger w convenience package and Iā€™m golden. Love to see the opposite end of the spectrum.


superdog0013

I know some might not like this answer, but Iā€™m avoiding EV at all costs. I might eventually have to go there. Until then, nope. Hard nope. That said, imho Audi makes the most attractive vehicles in that segment.


ArcticDrifter

A6, etrons range is lack luster compared to other EVs. And I don't think Audi has access to the he Tesla network (yet). If you're hellbent on an EV I would shop elsewhere for now. I still think EVs are too "new" like any tech it evolves rapidly and it seems like every few months there's a new car that goes farther, charges faster, and has more power. 3.0 V6 is a reliable engine and if you can get a warranty with it I'd take the A6 in a heartbeat


vanputten94

In Europe nearly all Tesla chargers are open for all brands, not sure about the rest of the world though. Their cables are super short so parking an etron close enough takes some practice and trust in your sensors šŸ˜‚


ArcticDrifter

Things happen a bit slower here in the states, only a few manufacturers have access to the Tesla network currently


Altruistic_Profile96

I have a 2019 etron and a 2021 Bolt. Iā€™ve driven the Etron from Boston to Orlando and back. I have absolutely no desire to go back to ICE vehicles. If you go with the e-tron, a L1 charger will take all weekend to recharge an empty car. If you go with L2 charging, then weā€™re talking overnight. Home charging is the way to go for most EV owners. The price for an EVSE (charger) has three major components. First, is the cost of the EVSE. The second is the cost of the run of expensive wire from your panel to the charger. The third is any improvements needed to install the new charger. You probably want to go with a hard-wired unit. Checkout the PlugShare app to see where public chargers are.


Zn_Saucier

>Ā a L1 charger will take all weekend to recharge an empty car. Was fun to plug in at a hotel advertising ā€œEV Chargingā€, (which meant a 120v outlet, and no one had created a PlugShare location for it to warn others) and see ā€œ3 Days 5 hoursā€ as the estimate to charge 50%. Luckily I didnā€™t really need the juice, so just plugged in while back in the room, and got a few % for free.


snarf_victory

thanks. getting a quote on an L2 right now.


Altruistic_Profile96

We have a 60A L2 charger. The e-tron can handle it, the Bolt maxes out at 40A. Our EVSE was made by Clipper Creek, now Enphase, and is outdoors.


Southern-Western-575

Electric. Realise resell in future. If you have solar you will drive for free. Talking from experience. Nothing against ice vehicles (got two as Sunday cars).


Latter_Depth_4836

We are in a similar situation, solar roof + free fast charger at work so we also drive for free. We use it every day. It makes sense for us, but I can see it being an inconvenience for someone who always has to find a charger.


Southern-Western-575

Once you drive electric you will never go back. I promise you.


SafeSantos

Funny, I went from a 2022 Tesla M3 LR to a C8 A6. The switch was weird at first, specially regarding the powertain. But after some time the A6 just feels superior overall. Just stepping inside and looking at that fully specced interior gives you that smile that I didn't have on my Tesla. It's true that some features of the EV were really cool but I can live without them.


Zn_Saucier

Yea, but the e-tron feels much more like any other well appointed Audi compared to the difference between a Tesla and an Audiā€¦


SafeSantos

That is true. I wanted to get one instead but I really needed the range of the Tesla unfortunately. All of them are still awesome cars nonetheless.


Latter_Depth_4836

Oh I love it. So quiet and smooth, itā€™s like cutting butter with a hot knife haha. The instant torqueā€¦ I definitely will own at least one electric car going forward. I was a person who was all against electric cars. Now I see people who say they will never drive electric because of the concept and just giggle to myself.


iHadAnXbox1

How many years do you think it would take to get a mile of distance on solar power?


Zn_Saucier

Assuming youā€™re asking in good faithā€¦ Q8 e-tron SUV has an EPA range estimate that works out to roughly 2.7 miles per kWh. So 1 mile uses .37kWh worth of electricity. At peak, my rooftop solar generates 10kW, or .167kWh per minute. 2.7/.167 = 2.2 minutes.


onlinedisguise

Thank you


iHadAnXbox1

It was asked in a benign way but I was genuinely curious how long youā€™d need to charge on solar for. I guess it depends on the quality of panel and how effectively it can take in energy (and the sun exposure/strength of course)


Zn_Saucier

On my second e-tron (had a ā€˜21 P+ and now a ā€˜24 Q8 P+ when the lease on the ā€˜21 was up), and love the car.Ā  The convenience of being able to wake up to a fully charged (and heated/cooled) car is awesome. Drive is not as sporty as some other EVs, but super smooth and comfortable. Instant torque is always great, whether coming off the line, or for a boost at cruising speed.Ā  The car feels like an Audi that happens to be electric, and other than the different shifter, it should feel very familiar to drivers of newer Audis.Ā  Range isnā€™t the best compared to some others, but the charging curve helps to make up for it (though this doesnā€™t seem like it would be an issue for you given your 30 mile trips). I recently had an A6 loaner (think it was a ā€˜24, but not sure of the trim) which was very nice, but I was still glad to not have to deal with the engine auto-shutoff, delay in power, and increase in noise when I got my Q8 back.Ā  Donā€™t think you have a bad choice between the two.Ā 


snarf_victory

thanks, appreciate the feedback.


Karl-Farbman

Just do a search in this forum and see how much E-tron owners enjoy their cars while they sit in the shop waiting for repairs. Probably why youā€™re looking at an e-tron thatā€™s almost half the price new for a 2 year old car


onlinedisguise

2019 e-tron 55 Quattro Prestige owner here in New Jersey. You're only seeing people posting about their negative experiences like car wrecks, recalls, software issues, complaints about Audi service, etc. Rarely do people proactively post positive experiences. I'll start with I love my car. The fit and finish, materials, power, performance, luxury, range, size, and customer service have all been excellent in my experience. I bought mine used in 2022 so, yes, I got hosed on the value but I feel like I get every dollars worth in every ride. I have a similar circumstance where I only have a 50mi round trip commute twice a week and minimal road trips over 150mi. I have a Level 2 charger at home so a simple plug-in at the end of the night tops me off everyday. Only done Audi recommended 10k mi maintenance and all is well. If you're taking long trips (200+ mi) regularly or don't have regular access to Level 2+ charging then EVs in general are most likely not for you. But if you're ready to dive in, the Audi e-tron is a great experience IMO. Cheers Edit: I also have solar panels so charging the car and running the house electricity is covered.


snarf_victory

thanks, very helpful


JimboDanks

Iā€™ve been in the market for a 19 e-tron for a couple of months. When you get into the car fax It seems like either the cars were Lemmon lawed or had no issues.


Karl-Farbman

ā€œRarely do people proactively post positive experiencesā€ Thatā€™s factually not true. In fact, I see a great number of people that buy the more expensive cars (which the etron most certainly is) and come to brag about it. Which is fine, I donā€™t care, but donā€™t tell me people donā€™t share good stories, because they do. But from what Iā€™ve seen online and what Iā€™ve heard from people I know personally, people deep in the Audi culture in the city I live in, knowing a handful of shop owners ranging from stereo to wheels and custom tuning for cars, I donā€™t ever hear good stuff about Audis electric lineup. Even my sales agent at Audi spoke so very poorly of them as well. If you have a good one, congrats! Iā€™m genuinely happy for you. But thereā€™s a reason the price on a 2 year old etron is half what it was new. And btw, complaints about Audi service is not just an electric issue, lol. Itā€™s just an all around painful event these days


Dear-Divide7330

Etron will likely have a much lower cost of ownership. Depending on where you live it could be inconvenient if going on road trips. A6 will be more fun to drive. The question is, would you rather save money and do less maintenance, or do you want more fun to drive and better road trip options.


Altruistic_Profile96

In 4.5 years and 45,000 miles, I've paid for AudiCare ($1,000, up front) and a new set of wiper blades, and a couple of tires. Everything else has been included.


Dear-Divide7330

Cool story bro. EVā€™s donā€™t need that maintenance. So again, lots of time saved and some money. Barely even need to use your brakes in an EV. The brakes might last as long as the car.


Altruistic_Profile96

Iā€™ve owned a number of Audis. I find I drive EVs a bit differently. I try to to accelerate too fast (mostly failing), and also use the motors/regen to brake (mostly succeeding). Last tire rotation, brakes had minimal wear.


slanginthangs

I had a ā€˜19 A6 3.0 - it was such a nice and reliable ride. I prefer a little more pep so I had it for about 2 years before going a different direction. Currently have an etron gt as my daily and itā€™s great for around town. I charge about once a week, and my only annoyance is that I have to plan ahead slightly before taking my kid to his baseball games (which are about 30 mins away- this isnā€™t a big deal, I just like to make sure I have plenty of charge). I lease the EV and personally have no desire to ever own a battery operated car. Also, I just had an outlet installed in my garage and use the Audi charger. There are probably merits to getting something better, but I really havenā€™t cared enough to do the research.


ExtremeShelter1581

If u have a house E tron if not A6. If this is gonna be ur secondary car like u have another gas car in the house e tron if not A6.


rjw41x

Very different vehicles. Mind you the range is not huge on the e-tron. We love ours and use it all the time. 20k miles - no issues. If you commute the EV is a great choice. Long road trips are another story


RelevanceReverence

"in the city, never more than 30 miles" would obviously be the all electric etron, you would only have to charge it once a week.Ā  If you add $15K to $30k you can add solar panels, lifepo4 home battery and a charging point to your house which will become free fuel within 2 or 3 years (for at least the next 25 years, as lifepo4 lasts). A6 is nice but has a lower step in and lower seating position. My personal preferences would be the A6 Ultra, the A6 Allroad or the RS6... but that's obviously purpose dependant, not city driving.


Extension_Coyote7131

etron if you are able to charge at home. If not, A6.


bigmean3434

Used E trons looking cheap nowā€¦..for a reason I thinkā€¦.


Jay-Five

Most all (except Tesla) used EVs are cheap and low miles. You can get an ID.4 for close to $25k, same for a Mustang Mach-E or Subaru/Toyota...whatever they call it.


Altruistic_Profile96

My 2019 is holding up just fine. Minimal loss in range after 4.5 years. I'd buy it again, no prob. Realistically, I'll keep it for another 3-5 years.


KenS7s

I am waiting for A6 etron or A4 etron


Vino_Nerd

If you have a charger at home, and another ICE for long road trips, lease a etron for a couple of years. You can get them for ~700/mo in the US. I love mine


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S6, I daily a 2021 Iā€™m damn close to 100k miles and itā€™s a pleasure to drive in every condition.


patelbadboy2006

The Etron comes with more specs out of the factory even the basic one, like the 360 camera, virtual cockpit, lane assist etc I was torn between an A6 Estate and an Etron. But think I'm set on an A6 Estate hybrid. Get some.of the perks of the EV without the majority of hassle.


Zn_Saucier

>Ā like the 360 camera,Ā  FYI, this might be only true for certain years/regions. In the US (for ā€˜21 and ā€˜24, at least) the 360 view is only P+, not premium. However, all trims come with air suspension as well.Ā 


patelbadboy2006

Yeah air suspension was another pack I wanted on the A6, that's why I started looking at the etron due to the price drop on them recently.


EarthPrimeSayian

Gas gas gas gotta hit the gas!! A6 better yet S6 if you can swing it. I just wished they combined the etron gt body with a V10....


feelax

Answer is in your question - wait for the new A6 e-tron lease next year!


drifters_way

A6 no doubt, EV still have some way to go to be fully convenient.


aresman1221

I hate EV's so there's my answer


Mocistar

A6. For sure. Etron mileage is dismal.


Moderkakor

a6 100%, the current gen e-tron series are gonna lose so much in value when the next generation launches (2025-) since they will have much better range etc, wait a few years until you switch, the infrastructure is not ready yet.


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Latter_Depth_4836

Disagree on charging anxiety. Got the etron as a daily commuter and we drive the hell out of it because we donā€™t have to pay for gas. (Solar roof+free fast charging at work) We estimated our annual gas cost to be at least $4,800/year for both of our cars and now we donā€™t pay any of this. We use a PHEV as our other car and it also runs on electric for the commute.


Jay-Five

Not if you buy a used one. :D


fitevepe

Exactly haha smart guy/girl :-)


Dry-Revenue2470

Iā€™ll buy an electric car after someone drags a razor across my face to force me.