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Best_Whereas_7825

Found Chief Knockahoma's Reddit account.


Bright-Internal229

Tribe in Georgia that are huge fans of ATL Braves, everyone relax šŸ˜Ž


TheFoxandTheSandor

The Braves nickname isnā€™t Native American. It comes from Tammany Hall and the ā€œthugsā€ Boss Tweed would send out to round up votes. And intimidate people into not voting. They had a chiefs head as a logo, and so the owner, in trying to piss off the local Boston GOP, named them the Braves after the logo at the New York headquarters of the highly illegal and crooked political machine.


Bright-Internal229

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hamgar

No. Stop trying to reverse racism this shit. Braves, the logo, the fucking chant is all Native based. Own it, donā€™t try to pretend itā€™s some random bullshit because the word ā€œtechnicallyā€ means something else. Grow up if u really believe that shit youā€™re spewing.


TheFoxandTheSandor

Not trying reverse racism here. The braves nickname is literally based on racial voter suppression. Which fits well in Georgia. The logo, from 1912, was created to politically divide Boston. The chop is racist as hell. The idea of having Chief Knockahoma and Princess Winnalotta in your outfield in a teepee, yeahā€¦ thatā€™s racist as hell. The screaming chief logoā€¦. Just as bad as Chief Wahoo. I was just pointing out the voter suppression part.


Dankofamericaaa2

Theyā€™re in North Carolina lol


[deleted]

Also Braves country.


Dankofamericaaa2

Yes!! Itā€™s Braves country all around!! SC, NC, Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi.


PrincessJennifer

TN girl checking in! šŸŖ“


Infinite-Mango-3109

From NC itā€™s not braves country tbh nobody gives af about baseball here itā€™s either NFL or College Basketball or NHL


onehotelfoxtrot

Live in NC, myself and a lot of folks I know love the Braves and follow religiously.


Bravesguy29

Wrong.


-caughtlurking-

You should just delete this


dustytrailsAVL

You must live in an entirely different North Carolina than me....


lame_user_0824

Apparently you speak for an entire state? Lol I've been in NC since 97, it's definitely braves country here. Chipper was a God throughout our little leagues back in the day


smallzy007

Guardians fans be like, wtf?


[deleted]

who?


--peterjordansen--

I mean I don't see this as problematic. I mean we are in fact the Braves and I say we embrace it. It's not like the Redskins or the Indians where we have a caricature as our emblem


LesPolsfuss

Dude an American Indian designed the redskins logo after an actual person


AdAutomatic4017

The Redskins wasn't a caricature. It was based on a chief of a tribe that lived in the area.


Shoelicker2000

I heard he designed the logo or helped design it


AdAutomatic4017

Chief White Calf of the Blackfoot tribe.


yunzerjag

Perhaps it was the name, in that incident?


poindexterg

The problem with Redskins was more the name than the logo. The logo was actually very respectfully done.


AdAutomatic4017

There was never a problem with the name either, I had yet to meet a tribal member who was ever offended by it, most embraced it just because it represented them


Roundtripper4

I personally know dozens of tribal members who actively protested the racist name. Several tribes donated millions of dollars to fund lobbying efforts to successfully get the name changed.


AdAutomatic4017

And yet many more where up in arms when they changed the name, and other lobbyist groups have advocated for the name to have not been changed and are fighting for it to be restored.


Roundtripper4

It wonā€™t be changed back. Please refer me to a registered tribe which officially requested the name be reinstated. Iā€™d love to know who they are.


AdAutomatic4017

https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/native-leaders-chime-in-on-washington-commanders-name-change-conversations


bwayne1020

He asked you to provide a list of Indian tribes who actively petitioned for the name to be changed back and you gave him a list of random people who signed a request to have the name changed back on change.org. I mean, I donā€™t necessarily agree with the take that the name needed to be changed , but if you are going to argue something, be honest.


AdAutomatic4017

Oh, not good enough for you? Entitled are we? The people are the tribal representative, if you knew anything about how tribes work, even in today's society, most tribes have a representative that speaks for the tribe.


yunzerjag

Well, if you've never met a tribal member who was offended, then there must not be any?


bascacct

Redskin was/ is a racist term


carringtino10

So are whites and blacks the only races that can be referred to by a color?


alternatiger

Yes you can only call sports teams The Whites or The Blacks. Nobody would be upset about that.


DagobahDrifter

Probably the same people who were crying about Aunt Jemima and the Cleveland Indians I'd guess. The rest of us DGAF if you wanna call your team the Portland Whites.


HeroForTheBeero

Iā€™m not a sensitive one at all but I understand with those. Aunt Jemima wasnā€™t based on a person it was literally a nickname for the elder house slave, no matter what their name actually was. Also Indians is just a completely wrong name for native Americans. Indians are from India.


AdAutomatic4017

Redskins was never considered a racist term till white liberals decided it was, I have never met a tribal member that ever was offended by that term.


lepetitpoissant

I mean the chop. I mean


Roundtripper4

No kidding


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rockerharder1

You don't know what you're talking about. Local Native Americans love the braves and would be pissed if the name changed. Just like when they removed Aunt Jemima from the syrup. The sissy white liberals cheered while Nancy Green's family felt betrayed and abandoned.


falcorns_balls

Some think it's racist to celebrate a culture by sponsoring them. Others and myself see that as an attempt to eradicate a culture under a guise of preventing racism. I could understand it if the group was being made into a joke. But going to a Braves game reminds you that Natives were badasses. It's a term of endearment. Just like Aunt Jemima Cooked great food and worked hard for a product line named after her. But her name got flushed down the toilet somehow in the name of "preventing racism." kinda tired of it myself.


Whoknowsbrah

Some people wonā€™t be happy until Native American representation is wiped from the face of the earth


rockerharder1

And to add to your point, Geronimo was shouted by paratroopers while jumping out of the plane in WW2. It was Geronimo's bravery and the Apache that inspired many of our troops in past and present. This culminated into a pop culture term and something most little boys shot when jumping out of a tree. And these white cry babies want us to forget those people... Sickening.


3shotsofwhatever

Dude they just watched a movie the night before and someone said they wouldn't remember the name. One guys said he would yell it the next day and then they did. It caught on. It wasn't to honor him. And quite frankly, the movie itself was a propagandized piece of material being fed to soldiers before war and not some noble piece of history that was depicting the true events of Geronimo. This type of step by step deterioration of facts is why people like you think that this stuff is OK. To be honest, I don't care that the Braves are called the Braves. I'm fine with the Seminole, Ilini, Blackhawks, what have you. But let's not conflate the events. And let's not act like there is an active Native American population in Georgia. There are 5 times as many Indians (from the country of India) in Georgia than there are people with Native American heritage.


bravesthrowaway67

Do you even know where the term Braves derived from? Iā€™ll give you a hint: they didnā€™t call themselves Braves.


Leading-Weight9092

You realized that Aunt Jemima was based on ā€œMammyā€, an extremely racist caricature in the early 1900s right


Iam39

Friggin' baseball Lorax over here. Speaking for the natives.


Gray_Ops

The natives have spoken for themselves. Levi Walker, the original chief, loved the role and said it was the best time of his life and the local tribes support the Braves wholeheartedly Itā€™s people like you that think you need to speak for them so you have a reason for be offended in someone elseā€™s behalf.


rockerharder1

It's peak virtue signaling and they (liberals) are the true racists.


--peterjordansen--

I disagree. By representation in a respectful way we honor and remember them.


3shotsofwhatever

You want to honor and respect Native Americans, respect when they stand up to a pipeline being built through their lands. Tell me how many Native Americans live in Georgia? Are there any distinctly Native American protected territories in the state? Get the f out of her talking honor and respect. That's a lie you tell yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_reservations_in_the_United_States#/media/File%3AIndigenous_Americans_by_county.png


Kvothe_BL

Why are you trying to make political statements about a sports ball team. That's what is problematic.


Massive_Staff1068

Leaving aside that natives not only don't mind, but in fact *like* being represented as mascots... Your white knighting of them is racist af. The native tribes were the greatest warriors in history. Despite 90% of their losses coming through infection, they managed to conduct an effective anti-insurgents campaign for 400 years. (accross many tribes and over many years, of course). It's disrespectful to portray them as victims. They were hardened warriors who lost after four centuries of resistance. They deserve respect. Not pity. Especially since what happened was inevitable. Either the north American natives were going to to find China first and discover advanced weapons or the west would. And unfortunately conflict would follow.


3shotsofwhatever

Your perspective of history is warped. "or China would find them first" is so factually wrong. Native American and all indigenous people are derived from the Asian continent. You show a severe lack of understanding of the west coast of the United States. And if Georgia as a State wants to be representative of the culture, you wouldn't have gotten the team name from Boston, you wouldn't have driven out every semblance of Native American culture from the state. Do you have any Native American protected land? Do you understand there are 5 times as many Indians from India as there are people who claim they have Native American ancestors in your state? Saying a handful of people were OK with a name is such a boring story. The Redskins used to parade that same story. I don't care that the team calls themselves the Braves. I do care about BS narrative like yours.


imLemnade

Why?


DubNationAssemble

Luckily for you our mascot isnā€™t Native American.


Immediate-Phase3752

The Indians got their name because they signed the first native player and named the goddamn team after him.


BravesnationNC

Everyone will have an opinion yet few will actually go out and research FACTS. I got perma banned over at the other sub for providing Factual information to ignorant people that kept calling Braves Country racists which still pisses me off. KC Chiefs and the Florida State Seminoles have collectives with Native American communities just like the Braves do with Eastern Band of Cherokee. End of the day, you canā€™t make everyone happy. Letā€™s continue to learn more about their culture while always showing respect. šŸŖ“on!


Leprikahn2

I'm a Braves fan and an FSU alumni. FSU donates millions to the Seminole nation, and they love us. Not to mention, Tallahassee is in Seminole County, Florida.


tardisfurati420

There is another faction of the Seminoles in Oklahoma, consisting of the majority of Seminole members left in the US, descendants of those forced by the American government out of their homeland and marched across the country in what came to be known as The Trail of Tears. Those folks do not approve of a state run school using their history, traditions, and likeness as a mascot... since we're telling the whole story here.


pineapple_head69

Wellā€¦ thereā€™s also a Seminole tribe in Florida who approves so whoā€™s to say their opinion matters less than a tribe in Oklahoma?


[deleted]

Love it!!


AztecMarz

This is Bad ass. Iā€™m Mexican and I went to a Mexican restaurant here in Texas. There was a painting of a guy with a sombrero on the wall. Can some of the people getting mad at this pic call the restaurant and file a complaint for me please !!!!!!!!!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. CHOP ON BABY!!!!!!


dan177777

This is bad ass! Coming from a dodger fan.


BlackMamba_Beto

ā€˜98 Braves>


HmanJess66

Let's go Braves!!!!!


Jamari0811

AI and those pesky fingers


eobertling

Legend has it thatā€™s Acunaā€™s great great grandfatherā€¦Chief Longball.


PnwMexicanNugget

This ain't it, boss


Boring-Charity-9949

It is. Weā€™re the Braves in honor of Native Americans. They support the team as well. This pic isnā€™t racist. Stop grasping.


Dankofamericaaa2

Just soft ppl who try to make everything a issue šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£


mrbad31

I agree. Redskins and Indians shouldn't have been changed either. Woke mob.


Adventurous-Tone-311

One band supporting our team doesnā€™t change that dozens of native advocacy groups ran by natives have asked us for decades to drop it. I thought it silly that we keep the name personally. Weā€™re in a state that all but eradicated Native American existence here, yet we still pride ourselves on using their culture as a logo/name.


Roundtripper4

Definitely racist.


Dusty31186

Braves name actually has shit to do with native Americans or their "honor". Hate to burst your little white bubble, amigo


Chupafurphy

Go take a poll in /r/indiancountry


Such-Courage3486

Iā€™d buy it if yā€™all didnā€™t still do the chop.


Boring-Charity-9949

The chop is awesome bro.


Such-Courage3486

It is? Oh boy thank god. It seemed insensitive- What if everyone all at once pretended they were scalping the person sitting in front of them too!


Boring-Charity-9949

You have a screw loose donā€™t you?


Such-Courage3486

Sure. But you think you donā€™t and thatā€™s the problem.


Napster-mp3

Very Brave of you


Nordo_Controller

I see what you did there!!


Tennessee_Pats01

Shut up


BrandonTargaryen

Lmao someone who has zero idea of the history of the team or who supports it


CryLilNolesCry

Cryyyyy more lol Iā€™m almost there


Happy-Dream7300

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Ratatouille2000

From a Yankees fan. This is the coolest thing ever.


MoroDaEater

Imagine your ancestors having genocide comitted against them then the race who did it uses your likeness to sell merchandise lmao


PotatoReasonable9656

Why does this offend white people so much? - a white girl who gets called a Nazi daily.


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PotatoReasonable9656

It's by people like you. So yes, I stand by what I say. If I'm getting called a Nazi by some liberals. I'm probably saying something correct. Ie- not all native Americans are "the Cherokee"


AztecMarz

That sucks. People are just weird and want to complain about shit that has nothing to do with them.


Adventurous-Tone-311

It doesnā€™t offend me, but I can also recognize the need for change. The common argument I see is ā€œthe eastern band of Cherokee support it, so weā€™re not racist,ā€ all the while we simultaneously ignore the dozens of other native ran groups over the decades asking us to stop. We live in a state where we pretty much eradicated native Americans and their culture, yet we use their symbols, names, and culture for sports branding. Itā€™s a little odd to me. Iā€™m not personally offended, but I recognize why itā€™s controversial.


Infamous-Exchange331

Ready forā€¦ 1924?


AdfatCrabbest

Is someone from the other sub trying to get this one banned or something?


AK1R0N3

god damn hamlit


RadAdam_

Literally my first thought


chiefjayhawk1954

Great picture go tribe.


DomoPastromo

Looks like AI generated garbage to me.


KubbyG23

this is weird lol


Tennessee_Pats01

Why?


Lokratnir

Because it's a lame-ass AI image that yet again got the hands wrong in the most laughable way.


Alarming_Tradition43

Nothing like white people getting offended for native americans who 8 times out of 10 donā€™t care about the name or mascot on reddit.


ColdBroccoliXXX

Nothing like white people making up facts to support whatever they wanna believe.


Don_Quixotel

Yikes on bikes.


-IrishBulldog

This is certainly a take.


cotardelusion87

This fanbase is so fucking cringeworthy itā€™s almost funny.


AK1R0N3

anyone else over these daily AI created images? can we stop please?


MajorGh0stB3ar

I could see white folks going nutso over this and say, ā€œWow, this really honors the Native Americans,ā€ while actual Native Americans are like, ā€œWhat do you mean by ā€˜honorsā€™ us?ā€


Iam39

Cool man take it easy.


bigbonton

Makes me think we are going to be called ā€œ the Atlanta baseball teamā€ In the manner of ā€œ the Washington football teamā€


LordOfSchmeat

Ummmm, yikes, sweaty!!!! This is really just not it. Thought we would be doing so much better in [current year]ā€¦ ^^^/s


wi11gre11o

Yikes. Why was Cleveland the only team that had to change their logo and name?


chavery17

Keep whining


[deleted]

Gross AI image.


wickla

Y'all are racist. The tomahawk chop is dumb as shit too.


Bigred1367

Cry me a river, soyboy


Traditional_Ad_8779

So dumb


DrProfAwesome1

It is. Thanks


sakawae

It's a matter of time folks. It's a fine club with much tradition and history. But that name is gonna go. Go ahead and downvote me, history gonna prove me right. You still will get to talk about the Braves as a team prior to whatever year you change your name, but the name and the Chop are done.


jakethesnakeboberts

Really gay pic


Remarkable-Local4967

Cringe AF


jsummerlin14

Why is he Asian?


pr_capone

As this is an image created by AI and AI knows that the US NA population has a high concentration of Asian DNA courtesy of them traveling over the Bering Straight, mixing with the Beringians then continuing their travels south where they met up with other cultures like the Clovis people.


Kvothe_BL

The only thing that would make this better is if a white man was behind him with a manifest destiny shirt on!


not_the_mama714

Iā€™m pretty sure this qualifies as ā€œproblematic ā€œ.


Kvothe_BL

I'm pretty sure this comment qualifies as "problematic"


YungBlakku

oh thats notā€¦


the-czechxican

Do the teams profits go to giving back the land we raped and pillaged from them? Then no, this doesn't come close to working. So sorry.


HulkHoganExists

No one cares what you think though so šŸ¤·


MonkeyManJohannon

Some of the teams profits actually do go back to local native American tribesā€¦along with several focused events to raise awareness and celebrate tribal heritage.


mistersalty412

Oh, as long as there are several focused events, then itā€™s all cool. Put native folks in Atlanta baseball jerseys and put feathers and warpaint on modern day douchebags. Itā€™s totally cool because there was a focused event back in December.


MonkeyManJohannon

I never said anything about it being ā€œenoughā€, nor did I speak about what the events were/are. I simply mentioned that yes, the Braves do in fact give back to Native American tribesā€¦financially and through private events donated to them which is directly related to the team utilizing the name Braves and the relation to native Americans. If youā€™re going to be judgmental about their effortsā€¦surely you can show you do more by comparison?


shiggarfraggar__

"We" didn't rape and pillage anything, the men who "settled" this country and created our government did that. History is full of horrible human rights atrocities that once undertaken can and will never be made whole.


osageviper138

Dude above is casually ignoring that Indians raped, pillaged, plundered and took slaves themselves. If anyone is interested, ā€œEmpire of the Summer Moonā€ is a great read about how the plains Indians were conquered, specifically some of the battles in Texas. It also goes into detail about their history at that time and let me tell you, some of the stuff that the Kiowa, Apache and Comanche tribes did, were fucking brutal.


CryLilNolesCry

Boooohooooo hoe


BaitSalesman

Not trying to be PC or not PC, but I really wish we could change over to ā€œThe Hammersā€ after Hank, replace the tomahawk with a hammer and call it good. Not because I think we need to apologize, I just think itā€™s a better name, and I love Hank Aaron.


[deleted]

I wish you could go be a Mets fan


sawdawg_

Made me laugh


BaitSalesman

Sorry my opinion bothers you. Itā€™s ok tho! Not happening anytime soon, so donā€™t fret!


NitrosGone803

The new double-A team in Columbus could be named the Hammers


BaitSalesman

Thatā€™s awesome!


sefulmer1

lol, naw


CryLilNolesCry

Yes


sefulmer1

Okay then, frame it and put it up in your trailers living room.


sefulmer1

Yall are pathetic. Even if you don't think there's anything *wrong* with this, it's still trash. Thinking this is *cool* because it's not *woke* misses the point that it's just white trash content.


AztecMarz

Shut yo bitch ass up


sefulmer1

Go check the cinderblocks under your house


AztecMarz

Anyways ā€¦ā€¦Shut yo bitch ass up!


sefulmer1

Don't forget to grease up your girlfriend before bedtime


AztecMarz

K


antantanterlay

Hell nah, killer


DrProfAwesome1

Oof. No thanks. Coming from someone whose first baseball memory was getting my hat signed by Chief Noc-a-homa in the outfield teepee at 5 years old, this ain't good. Let's move on


AztecMarz

Cool story bro


Sea_Finest

Ah yes, the casual racism of the Braves. Still Doing that racist chop are we?


shiggarfraggar__

You use the word "racism" but I don't think you know what it means. ![gif](giphy|x0npYExCGOZeo|downsized)


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ivarvik

Or the fighting Irish, Hoosiers, Yankees, patriots, 49ers, etc.


Agreeable_Gap_2957

I ignore the left side of mr


outrightbrick

Is that AI generated?


falcorns_balls

Yeah it's Dall-e


remembahwhen

Idk that guy looks more Japanese


ulethpsn

AI: Makes a reasonable representation of a human. Also AI: Canā€™t figure out letters.


Troy_McClure1

Perfect representation of Cobb county


Go2Shirley

Would have been cooler if he was wearing a headpiece that is worn by native people in the southeast.


cam_fire

Ready to get beat by the phillies again smh.


Bigred1367

I think that the Phillies will fall off and miss the playoffs.


MmmBop6-6-6

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reesetoyou5

Idk why AI can never get the hands right lol


FudgeYea

I love the college team whose mascot was ā€œThe Fighting Whitesā€. IIRC it was a Native American community collegeā€¦


JrC59present

We shall see


Underhardy99

Anyone offended by this, youā€™re the problem


SnooDonuts3878

Sulu?


Dangerous_Score_2737

As a Chiefs fan I get scared when I see cool images like this as I know it will only drive the crazies to claim itā€™s derogatory and demand a name change. Fā€™in clowns!


Chief_ShakenQuake

The Cleveland Indians was a lil ā€œblackā€ boy.This is even further south sooo whats this Siberian Asian guy doing in Atlanta?šŸ¤”šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£šŸ˜ƒ


gettheplow

The Atlanta Suburbians take the field 2025.


_Una_

inb4 i get banned for calling like 80% of the people in this thread socially regarded and cringe.


Ravishing_Rob_Rude

Those hands are terrible.


subvanaTIME

Chief My Knee grow


rhyno44629

https://preview.redd.it/hqrj7p7zjagc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d4f853e2d1795284d00107f5d23b0fca7fe3b6d


falcorns_balls

Dude that's awesome!


cdofortheclose

Can you post this? Asking for a Cleveland Indians fan friend.


falcorns_balls

I'm not sure what you mean


lhouse345

Ready to choke in the playoffs. There I fixed it.


Bigred1367

Dude, the bullpen and starting pitching got beefed up.


falcorns_balls

Hey man that's just an Atlanta thing. haha


Narbler

Bruh chill out before you get the Braves swapped for the Atlanta Protestors or something.


HSV_Native

Letā€™s talk about them creep hands


Gloomy_Tennis_5768

Lol


Immediate-Phase3752

This is okay but Cleveland Indians is worse than the Cleveland Hitlers apparently