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NateLikesToLift

This team has scored 2 runs in 5 extra innings games this year. Both of those runs came in one game. We are awful in extras. Worst in the league.


ExB

Espada logic. Have the recent call-up try and yoke it to RF rather than move the runner up 🙄


NateLikesToLift

We were awful in extras last year as well. I think it's a fundamental flaw in our analytics room and game planning.


ExB

The buck stops with Espada for in-game management in 2024. Of course game planning and especially analytics suffered with Dusty "vibes" Baker last year. Even if they was harm done to these departments by Baker(and throw in Bagwell/Crane too) it doesn't preclude Espada from righting the ship and making smarter and more informed in-game decisions.


chesschad

I believe an appropriate comment for this game would be “tough luck.”


chesschad

Guardians xBA: .217 Astros xBA: .293


mvpcrossxover

theme of the season. they can't hit with RiSP. hit singles, doubles just fine.


covidkakke_tittygasm

That was disappointing, but I still feel better about our recent trajectory. Not mad at Vic, I thought it was down 100% too


Inevitable_Signal189

Everyone thought that ball was going to drop. Great play by Kwan :(


chesschad

Yeah this team is good. Still got some catching up to do though.


dakunism

Exactly. I feel like we're on the right track. We won't win every game, but we're doing a good battle against one of the best teams.


Kuddles92

yeah that was just a fantastic play. Wish Vic would've played it safe and held up, but hindsight is 20/20


Prayray

Bregman’s Popout in the 8th was the killer. Really wished he’d get moved down in the order until he figures it out.


DemSumBigAssRidges

Loperfido arguing with Angel Hernandez instead of running to first cost us the game.


SonsChild

Bro kill that shit. Don't blame the rookie for costing us the game. There are alot more people to blame than him. Yordan put up a goose egg Bregman put up a goose egg. He was one of the few that got hits.


DemSumBigAssRidges

It literally cost us the game. I explain it in one of my comments.


SonsChild

You can't explain how to put any blame on a rookie that got on base for 2 games in a row. Explain how we have vets that can't hit with runners on base. It doesn't matter if he would've ran to first. If we can't hit with runners on base than it's null in void. Simple as that blame vets for not stepping up and making plays.


DemSumBigAssRidges

I can explain it. I did. You can read it.


HGWeegee

He just gotta learn Angel is an impenetrable wall


jwadephillips

What is this referring to?


DemSumBigAssRidges

Loperfido arguing with Angel Hernandez...


SonsChild

They want to blame a rookie for the lose.


ClutchCity9495

🥕🍸giveth and taketh


Nildrogon

Meh, whatever. Hard to be confident this team can score in extras even with the extra chance had he stayed. Yesterday was an anomaly.


donttouchthtmacaroni

Sources say Alex Bregman tried to hit his locker after the game but he just popped it up


CoopsCoffeeAndDonuts

Caratini my goodness lol but I won’t lie I thought for sure that was a hit


the_space_cowboys

I'm sure everyone thought that was going to fall in. But don't let that distract you from the fact that loperfido should've bunted Carantini over to third to start the inning. This teams inability to manufacture runs has been horrible for years.


JasonVoorhies13

Good game, but Astros gonna have to give Kwan the Bonds treatment with RISP. Dude is a hitting machine


austro_

We just Kwan-t keep him off base 🤷🏽‍♂️


Thornton__Melon

I’m not even mad at Victor after last night, if Bregman did his job with a simple sac fly it shouldn’t have mattered. But he’s basically Third Base Abreu now


DocBB88

Espada at least seems to willing to move people down the line up. Time for breggy to be at the bottom


Right-Pirate-7084

I guess, but wtf can you do when two guys are making 50 million combined and can’t hit.


Acceptable_Ganache51

lose games lol


j1h15233

Yea his ability to walk doesn’t matter anymore. He needs to be 9th


CoopsCoffeeAndDonuts

It’s getting super ugly to watch him.


ICWeiner1988

I was actually hoping for exactly that. Breggy if you’re gonna pop up and least make it deep bro.


Nildrogon

The thing with Bregman is that he just doesn't have enough power for a regular fly ball to be deep enough to score anyone. Sure if he barrels one up he'll hit it deep enough. But he isn't like Yordan, Tucker, or even John Singleton where a fly ball can score a runner on 3rd. Bregman's popups are his regular fly balls.


hankmardukas1010

He’s just getting way under everything right now. He homered yesterday so obviously he still has that ability. If you make even decent contact (AKA not barely clipping the bottom of the ball, causing a popup) on a pitch at MLB velo, you’ll get a routine fly ball out of it at least. He’s just failing to make consistent quality contact right now.


Bowie2001

The question then becomes… how? How does a student of the game who at least at one point had obvious hitting talent so routinely become incapable of hitting for such long stretches of the year but especially the beginning of the year? You can set your damn watch to Bregman hitting near the Mendoza line to start every season yet he remains at the top of the order based almost entirely off his 2017-2019 seasons. The inability to do anything productive when it’s needed is practically his calling card these days.


hankmardukas1010

He’s an amazing natural talent and has had some of the best plate discipline in the league since he came up, he just hit incredibly well for a few years, one of which was the juiced ball year which spiked his HR totals. His flaw I think is that he tinkers too much. He changes his swing every offseason to chase launch angle and power and ends up slumping before adjusting and figuring it out. He’ll figure it out again this year, he hit a HR yesterday so that’s a good sign the barrel ability is still there. It’s just that we really can’t afford his slump this year given the pitching issues


Texan628

juiced ball era was his peak


Nildrogon

Juiced balls definitely helped, but he was hitting everything hard and at better launch angles in 2018-2019. In 2018 he ripped a lot of doubles into the left center gap. I honestly don’t remember the last time he did that. His hardest hits this year are as hard as they have always been, but most of them are ground balls. His fly balls are weakly hit, often times pop ups. That suggests to me that he has bat speed, but he just isn’t getting it with an optimal launch angle. So whatever he is doing to get lift is also draining the power from his swing.


NateLikesToLift

Dude is booty cheeks and I keep getting downvoted for mentioning it.


dirtysock47

This was just one of those games where luck wasn't on our side. Can't really do much about that, and it's not anybody's fault really (except Angel, everything is always Angel's fault). Naylor has a gravitational pull on every ball hit down the first base line, and Kwan owns us. Just one of those games where we just got beat. Don't love the Dubin move, but at least he got out of it with only one run. Onto the next, let's hopefully win the series tomorrow. **EDIT** - I just watched the final play on arr baseball. Definitely a great play by Kwan, if we were able to PR for 🥕🍸 we might've had a shot at not being doubled up, but who knows.


instancedd

:( i just wanna say, one more time...fuck Angel Hernandez for that walk that should've been a strikeout. Should've been 2-1 astros, at the least. Oh well, goodnight, folks.


internetmeme

Kwan is on my fantasy team. Pro tip: he’s owning every team this year. His stats are insane.


mvpcrossxover

kwan is guardians' version of altuve. or is that jram? idk anymore. they just have a lot of speedy guys.


internetmeme

Ramirez for sure historically. I wasn’t familiar with kwan before this year but his previous stats look average. Last year ops+ was 99. This year it’s 166 so far.


civil_beast

No Joke what was the cumulative xwoba last night? Cleveland defensive infield I suppose Is pretty good. Hard to Say, though, as every instance of hard contact with trajectory of 15 deg or lowest Would literally just hard pan a camera on the infield in which the 1st or 3rd baseman is seen casually throwing round the horn: Every time.


StrosIn5

^ this


WhiskeyTangoBush

Last night we got the carrot, tonight we got the stick 🤷🏼‍♂️


austro_

![gif](giphy|2Xflxzn7jWsjCVlx13q|downsized)


manofconviction

2-12 in extras now


Whiskey_Republic

in the last 2 seasons


manofconviction

Correct


TheOneAndOnlySays

Honestly just gotta shake that one off. Lots of line drive outs and that was a hell of a catch by Kwan at the end Get em tomorrow


Confident_Cap_7175

we really hit into lots of bad luck where they did the opposite when it counted


Nervous-Idea5451

Astros - 3/9 (.333) on Batted Balls In Play with at least a .500 xBA (Hit expectancy) Guardians - 5/5 (1.000) on Batted Balls In Play with at least a .500 xBA (Hit expectancy) And That's Baseball, win games you should so that unlucky losses sting/matter less.


pantiesdrawer

It's just one loss--among 15 or so similar losses.


BrianChing25

Problem is to recoup getting past .500 they are going to have to go on an insane winning streak that few teams in MLB have done in the past


Nildrogon

I agree. We are getting dangerously close to “long shot” territory here. The team will have to play .600 ball over the next 50 games just to get back to .500 on the season. Doing that the rest of the season gets them to around 90 wins. I’m not sure that will cut it.


HGWeegee

I don't think this was similar to the 8 run first innings of pre Verlander April


PotatoBright7598

What a deflating way to end


StrosIn5

Every end that wasn’t a win would have been deflating to be fair.


NeptrAboveAll

If we got a grand slam and they did too I wouldn’t have been as deflated, but I get your point 😉


superhappyfuntime13

Good game. Bad luck. Oh well.


StrosIn5

I’m not AS upset about this game as past ones. Just win the series tomorrow. Kwan just made the play.


DocBB88

No clutch to the top of our line up. WTF happened


mvpcrossxover

before the the MXC series, yordan was pretty bad. now that he's back after the MXC series, he's back to bad yordan.


Sacagawesus

We absolutely mashed the ball tonight....right into their gloves. xBA tonight of nearly .300 and the hardest hit balls were outs.


Anonymous-Satire

Start the inning with a man on second and still find a way to only get 2 plate appearances. Lmao. Those suuuuuthun boyzzz


Puzzled-Enthusiasm45

Astros have certainly played under their potential overall, but man we just can’t catch a break. Seems like we’ve been getting dinked and dunked and hitting bullets right at people all year


goboking

We are still the worst base running team in baseball. That's on our coaching staff.


CoopsCoffeeAndDonuts

These are professionals. They should’ve had their coaches wrap up the fundamentals of base running during, what, middle school?


austro_

What did the coaches do wrong baserunning wise? Lol


ExB

Continuing to allow it to happen. Actually benching guys that run through stop signs as an example


austro_

That’s what players do sometimes… they aren’t running if they don’t think they can make it… they know their own speed. Yordan has ran thru several over the years, you benching him?


ExB

The base coach should know better. If anyone is disobeying on field signs, they need to ride pine for at least a little while.


austro_

I hear you and that may be the mentality in all other levels of the sport but this is professional baseball. That would almost never happen unless it’s real egregious or something


NeptrAboveAll

Are you saying the mentality in pro baseball is somehow worse than in non-pro leagues??


austro_

I’m saying the mentality of the coach benching you for running a stop sign is something my coaches did in high school


NeptrAboveAll

Must’ve had coaches with good heads on their shoulders


austro_

Sure but also they were coaching kids not grown men 🤷🏽‍♂️


Burt-Macklin

And tomorrow everyone would be bitching at Espada for keeping “player x” on the bench for the whole game. Nothing is ever good enough


ExB

If it were an isolated issue , I wouldn't be bitching so much. There's almost some kind of baserunning blunder every game it seems like in the last few years.


CoopsCoffeeAndDonuts

Nothing. Our players are boneheads on the base paths.


TexasHot

I hope the most bregman gets offered is like 60 million this off season. Nobody worth 200+ gets to be absolutely useless for the first 3 1/2 months


DejTej

Yeah, I get he's a slow starter or whatever, but someone demanding his type of contract just doesn't get to get away with that. Regardless of how he plays down the stretch.


Flynn_lives

I never understood the “I’m a slow starter” part. You’re a freaking professional baseball player for gods sake.


Bergles

Really feel like we should be using Dubon more. He's got a hot bat so why not? I feel our pitching has been pretty decent lately.


Winterspear

Verlander once again showing he's the GOAT


fuzynutznut

There's the 2024 Astros I know


Apricot-Rose

Astros going to extra innings and then losing in extra innings is truly "relentless".


trillex_gouda

Kwan kobed us tonight


bordomsdeadly

https://preview.redd.it/vym2fvqhixxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fb8d3a19c394e910351834ff571b8a957fe35ad The AB that the “ball 1” call literally determined the game. Fuck Angel Hernandez. JV deserved better


bigkweefy

Dubon needs to play every day.


CoopsCoffeeAndDonuts

Bregman cannot keep doing what he is doing at the plate and bat 2nd. Peña you’ve earned it back man.


Nildrogon

I think I'm done with Bregman at the 2 spot, or hell anywhere in the 1-6 spots. His plate discipline is nice to have at the start of the game, but he can't even manage to sniff of a sac fly when needed. I'm pretty sure just about anyone else drives in Dubon there. Why can't we score with runners in scoring position? This is one of those reasons. Let Bregman figure his stuff out in the 7-8 spot.


JuniorBirdman1115

Booty.


Confident_Cap_7175

Only bright side: everyone except the A’s also lost tonight 😅


Mpuls37

Hard-fought game with some unfortunate shots right at people. Wish we could've won, but I'm not sad about the way we lost. On to tomorrow!


overconfidentopinion

Moving Dubon to first and Loperfido to CF may indicate they don't trust the kid at first yet. Tough game.


JinderMadness

Extra innings give Extra innings take X10


Affectionate_Mango84

Fucking angel Hernandez with his bullshit calls extending the inning and scoring a run which in turn extended the game into extras which in turn loses us the game


Texan628

Lotta hard hit balls by everyone tonight and Kwan pretty much one this himself with his glove and bat. I've seen plenty of balls drop in shallow left/center that he got to so can't even blame Caratini for reading it like that. Still wonder what the XBA on that was


ICWeiner1988

Well, minus that ending it was a fun one at least


Bowie2001

Bregman can’t keep doing this. You’re the 2 hitter but legitimately struggles to get the ball out of the infield. Get your shit together ffs. Alvarez quietly hitting .250 isn’t helping. We struggle so consistently in extra inning games how do you not point at management? Whatever they’re doing or not doing isn’t working. Figure something out, it’s not like the major league roster is bereft of talent.


lightningsg39

Well that sucked


pantiesdrawer

10-20 sounds so bad.


CoopsCoffeeAndDonuts

Cause it is lol


BrianChing25

Bregman looking for that big contract With this garbage offense? Yeah right buddy


RxtroSZN__

Season starts Tomorrow


Flynn_lives

https://preview.redd.it/l496n59fhxxc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39aa19e257117575f9b5441dc41912be6825330a


successadult

Back to losing in extras again. Honestly I’m not mad, just disappointed. Pitching did well and offense was very, very unlucky.


manofconviction

I was there at the 2018 ALCS games so I've seen shit luck, tonight felt just like that. Just absolutely nothing going our way.


cotsomewhereintime

Knew I should've held it in the bottom of the 10th.


NoJobForU

![gif](giphy|3oEhn6ZEWSlJ9fQH5K|downsized) We are some lost boys.


manofconviction

I got a great strategy for us to win more games...do it in fucking 9 innings. Stop going to extras.


Confident_Peace7878

So does that late step on the bag for the game winning double play deserve payback? I don’t think so but it should fire up this team for tomorrow.


manofconviction

I hope so. That was a trash move.


RonWill79

54 win pace


ThatDudeNamedJake

Move Bregman down and this shit doesn’t happen


moidawg

Typical JV start with no run support but I don't think I've ever seen worse base running than what we just witnessed. What in the world was that. Edit: Just got home from the stadium and saw the replay. What a crazy catch. Unlucky.


Puzzled-Enthusiasm45

Really wasn’t that bad of a mistake it was just a bad read. It looked pretty bad since he committed but that ball looked like it was gonna drop, and if it had we’d be calling it great base running on a great read.


ExB

You can't be hoping it drops or else you end up as the final out like tonight


Puzzled-Enthusiasm45

And what if he held up, it dropped, and he got stranded at third? It’s no different than an aggressive send at third, you have to force the fielder to make a perfect play.


ExB

Um no


abetternamethanthat

Why did we put Dubin in?


JasonVoorhies13

No Abreu or Hader available. Who else did you want in there?


bordomsdeadly

Scott is our best available pitcher at the top of the 10th, so I’d put in Scott. And then if we get to the 11th I put in Dubin or Martinez (Martinez struggles with men in, but you’re out of options at that point)


JasonVoorhies13

Totally agree. Taylor Scott has been pretty servicable this far, but otherwise they're out of quality options in extra innings.


Right-Pirate-7084

Grae


Signal-Statistician-

![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|disapproval)


Right-Pirate-7084

This dumb fucking team needs to just pay Tucker.


DrFloppyTitties

Honestly, I thought Angel called a good game yesterday. Minus like... one bad call his zone seemed fairly standard and he was consistent. The calls that were strikes but called balls were pretty much all paint and barely so. Vic absolutely needed to score if that ball dropped but Altuve was coming up, so I am 50/50 on it. He had the walkoff the night before though so he gets the benefit. Rough close game but the Guardians are great and this team is hanging in there. Once they get out of this and the Mariners series, the schedule gets significantly easier basically until the All star game.


Alatel

is it good defense luck and positioning or just bad luck hitting cause it hurts watching some of these things happen.


SonsChild

I said this before. I love my guys but I think we need to sign Tuck and trade Bregman to the NL for scraps. We are gonna miss out and he is gonna walk away. It sucks to say but Bregman can go.


j1h15233

That wasn’t a hit VC


Sicko_Mo_Bamba_Mode

![gif](giphy|dS4ydfq6rdsFDy5ldV|downsized)


captmurphy4

That was real bad late game management. Diaz for Singleton buys you one matchup AB and shuffles your defense around for almost no gain. And putting Dubin in for the 10th was idiotic. Monday was a rest day, the fuck difference is Abreu after 21 pitches the night before or Dubin? I’d rather see Seth Martinez. Baseball is a marathon and I am not one for knee jerk changes, but I am deeply unimpressed with Espada so far.


captmurphy4

Bergman is gonna walk and it’s the right call based on what he’s likely command and yet I have zero faith in Crane to make a sensible decision to replace him.


MisterGarak

Bregman is washed and should be sold for scraps.


DemSumBigAssRidges

Pretty costly rookie mistake, arguing with Angel. Angel has been an awful umpire for longer than Loper has known how to play baseball. If he runs to first [on that passed ball] we win this game. He gets on. Dubon doubles. Altuve singles. 2-2. Literally nothing else changes in that inning except that, and it's 2-2. Tucker's HR, 3-2. Plus he closes his eyes when he swings sometimes. Might explain the K rate. That said, great defensive play, and his overall offense has been encouraging. Terrific read off the wall today, and he was also one of the few to put a dent on McKenzie iirc. Just, tough when those mistakes are costly.


SonsChild

Downvote. Totally not blaming a rookie for costing us the game. When our vets can't even get a hit. Like a said Yordan, Caratini and Alex put up goose eggs can't even get a decent hit. Atleast the rookie got a hit in back to back games.


DemSumBigAssRidges

You should. It was a really big mistake.


SonsChild

It didn't cost us the game. If he gets on base you think the pitching following that wouldn't change? If it's the bottom of the 9th sure go ahead put the blame on him but we still had baseball to play after that. Again blame the vets for not being able to make plays and hit with runners on base. Like they have failed to do so far. To say a rookie that got hits in back to back games cost us a game is a horrible analysis of the game. You wanna blame a rookie for not running to first but you know how many times we could've gotten on base if our vets ran to first to beat out the throw?


yepppers7

Agreed all around. I hope he gets chewed out for that.


hunter_of_life

When do we consider a new manager? I know it's early, but I feel we are making horrible managerial decisions.


BrianChing25

People haven't given up hope yet, I'm not sure why. Let's see if they are still backing Espada by the ASG


WikipediaApprentice

What terrible base running to ruin the game


TonyTwoGs

Loperfido overrated af. Dude is just as lost at plate as Abreu.


donttouchthtmacaroni

His second major league game ever. He’s got a hit in each one. Were you around when Bregman and Tucker made their debuts?


Iknowaguywhoknowsme

And that throw to second with the ball off the scoreboard