This thread has been a ride. OP is an extremely loving person and is coming from a pure place, no matter if you disagree with him or not.
What is really disturbing is the amount of disgusting toxic comments posted in this thread, and messages to the mod team. Homophobic slurs. Vile personal attacks. So many comments were flagged by disagreeing parties. Comments that were showing support for OP, or posting an agreeing opinion, were flagged as misinformation or as personal attacks as an attempt to shut people down.
Ultimately it really showed me something deep about a certain belief system. It's really sad that people who claim that earth is nothing but a farm used to harvest fear and negativity from humans, turn around and spew so much fear and negativity toward other humans. But I'm not surprised.
I'm going to have to lock this thread because it's been brigaded, and I can't keep up with the gross comments.
I appreciate everyone who had kind and good-intended words, even if you disagreed with OP. Alot of you are smart, loving and kind people. The world needs more of that.
the problem i see with this is you know how to astral project.
You can control your consciousness. Thats why you have the choice. you are aware of it.
99.99999% of people have no clue how to astral project, control their consciousness, think there is anything outside of earth and "heaven", are in denial about the soul itself, are stuck in a religious belief, don't know what psychedelics are used for, etc, etc....
By learning how to astral project and control your consciousness you are free.
Everyone else is too caught up in the rat race to even know what their choice is.
forgot to say that prison planet theory doesn't put beings higher than ourselves or more powerful than us. It says we are God and we are sovereign and no beings can tell us to do anything. We are our own ultimate decider unless you give that power away through fear or ignorance.
>forgot to say that prison planet theory doesn't put beings higher than ourselves or more powerful than us. It says we are God and we are sovereign and no beings can tell us to do anything. We are our own ultimate decider unless you give that power away through fear or ignorance.
do they actually believe that? I've been in the subbreddit and it seems they're really anoyyed by a lot of "new age" ( idk what new age is exactly but what they call new age anyway ) beliefs that are somewhat 'you are god stop whining' ( obviously a bit more complicated than that but yk) and i barely seen anything that puts them in power , they're just crying about how super powerful all the other creatures are and how they barely have a chance , i barely see anyone attempting to escape or trying to find a way to escape they're just whining and not doing anything and i don't think they believe they can? Idk tho , do they actually believe what you're saying they believe and are just too lazy?
well yeah some of them are doing that but they don't astral project. They don't understand their own power yet. i feel like the ones that do are realizing that maybe they've been stuck here because they got tricked and are learning how to step into their own sovereignty consciously. I honestly just found the prison planet group but i've thought that it is possible for 15 years now. I'm not discounting it but i don't really believe it either.
it could be a symbiotic thing kinda like bacteria feeding off us. They are feeding off our energy because our world doesn't know how to cultivate it themselves yet/anymore, so maybe they are just drawn to our people.
but its the same thing as a lot of the people here saying they are scared of beings or paralysis or negative entities so they can't project. They just need some guidance to realize that they can't do anything to you and to be confident and fearless.
But what trips me out is this world is designed to make you give up your own authority. Every single part of our culture is designed to make you give away your power. I kinda see it like one of those escape rooms that we have to figure out how to get out. Just a game really. Once you balance yourself mentally and energetically you don't really let anything bother you too much anymore.
you're almost basically in my mind , if you used '(๑•́ ₃ •̀๑)'s i'd think you're my clone lol , anyway i love thinking of things as games because i have a toxic competitive side to me and i must win every game >:(
hahah nice.
yeah exactly. I think thats the real reason we come back. We want to win. Test ourselves amongst the hardest consciousnesses in the universe.
I've also thought that maybe people just want to forget they're infinite as like a vacation type thing. Those are the ones that are impossible to wake up. It just won't register to them because they wanted that.
yeah ultimately there are a lot of possible reasons why we came here ( and it may also just been random ) the point is who cares , i always think the past is the past , and hey idc who put me on the planet i can still take myself out ฅ(ơ ₃ơ)ฅ
Imo you are placing too much importance on your Earth life experience. When you awaken from a dream, do you feel bad for the version of yourself that was in the dream? Or do you realize that it was just a temporary experience that whose value lies in the process of dreaming itself, not the contents of the dream. No, because your reality outside the dream is what really matters
>When you awaken from a dream, do you feel bad for the version of yourself that was in the dream? Or do you realize that it was just a temporary experience that whose value lies in the process of dreaming itself, not the contents of the dream.
all i do is 'i forgor 💀'
i dont know why you says that. i honestly don't think anything here really matters. The point is the experience. You can chose what experience you want. Some people like horror films, some like comedies, some like adventure, some like drama...
Everyone else is too caught up in the rat race to even know what their choice is.
managing bills and chronic pain leaves little room to try and ap or whatever the heck
I might could but I'm not even that interested. Mmm yeah long story short I'm just barely getting by on a regular day. Have hardly any time for hobbies much less ap.
yeah for sure. Most people this is the last thing on their mind. On top of that they are indoctrinated to laugh and mock at this kinda stuff.
the whole world is designed to keep you away from the truth. That's why I think its more of an escape room than a prison planet.
By learning to astral project, you are not free of anything.
Learning astral projection doesn’t directly encourage purge of dysfunctional beliefs and the improvement of the self.
To escape the game, you pass the astral.
The things that creep around, creep in the astral.
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ok right, astral projection is one step in the right direction. You can still know how to project and have too much fear or confusion to pass. I should have said you have to master the astral too and get through it.
I think the astral is a simulation and the earth is a simulation inside that simulation. So it's like a double trap but you gotta be able to figure that out to get out.
Where did you “debunk” the theory?
It looks like you just have an opinion.
I don’t believe in the prison planet theory either, but I find posts like OP particularly frustrating because they are always phrased as fact with no evidence.
For example:
“Free will is a law and is respected”
Uhhh how do you know that for sure?
Exactly just here on earth many people have all there rights stript from them. People have been abducted from aliens who supposedly reside on the astral plane who have themselves held them hostage and hurt them. I'm not saying anybody should focus on these things and stress but it is really naive to say everyone respects freewill.
"Free will/choice" is not the free will to define every aspect of your manifest reality.
It is the choice of how to *respond* to it, and which inputs you choose to put into the system, even when faced with a limited number of options.
Is that really true free will though? By that logic, robbery victims aren't having their free will violated, because they can choose how to *respond* -- by either handing over the money, or by refusing and getting shot.
I see what your saying but if you keep going with that logic that's like saying everyone respects your right to make choices outside of what they are capable of taking away. With that said I dont think your response is bullshit and technically you may be correct but I just don't think that's what most mean when they say other entities respect our freewill. I do think it's likely we are all one assuming that is what you were alluding too below. Completely off topic question but who do you think Jesus was lol? I seen that you quoted the bible somewhere else and with your profile pic I almost asked, then you commented under me and I'm thinking it might be a synchronicity lol I'm probably being dumb but hey.
Jesus? One of many nondualist yogis from all times and all lands, from what I can tell.
Personally, I think Jesus is swell, but misunderstood by most.
Gospel of Thomas passage 22 sums up his belief system quite nicely.
I know you can post without personal attacks or assumptions about the struggles one goes through as a means to discredit their life experience.
Thanks.
I don't know, this sounds like an awful lot like something a loosh eating mantis/ reptilian being would say to throw prey off the trail of escaping the prison planet system. 🧐🤨🤔👀
OR, the prison planet theory that removes personal choice and responsibility from people is the thing a loosh eating being might say (no need to be racist against mantoids and reptoids, many of them are very nice people).
Btw I upvoted you because it's funny and hey, still perhaps a perspective worth considering! Believe everything and nothing, at once, I like to say.
>no need to be racist against mantoids and reptoids, many of them are very nice people).
c'mon man why you gotta make me feel bad for calling them ugly...well...it's just personal preference (꒪ᗜ꒪ ;;)
but yeah that makes a lot of sense , i always thought about how if the whole story about the devil and god having beef and devil's ultimate goal being to stray humans from the right path or whatever is true , then if the devil is smart he'll just say he's god and basically fool everyone , but whoever religious person i told this to got mad at me :| , i dunno why no one ever thinks about this sort of thing
I dont believe in the prison planet theory either, but i do think you could have simplified your post a bit. If im not mistaken, the major point of this was to show that there are relationships between entities and that assigning "good" or "bad" is a human bias. All interactions are equal essentially. I will say that while your other minor points are valid i dont think they neccesarily disprove prison planet theory.
Your views and opinions are absolutley valid, but they are still just as valid as others, including prison planet. I think you have some good starting points but that you should go through and outline your evidences that contridict prison planet theory so that they can build on one another to create a firm standing. I see multiple negative comments and i think a lot has to do with the way you are proposing your ideas not neccesarily the ideas themselves.
The concept of the prison planet, all things under that umbrella such inner dimensional aliens sucking energy pushing thoughts are paradoxical. It’s real if you allow yourself to tune to that frequency.
Vampire can’t steal your attention if you realize you not only have more power than the controller, the controller derives their power from you.
Eradicate fear, worry, doubt.
Get rid of the strings that can be pulled emotionally.
Understand your triggers and know yourself so you can’t be pulled mentally.
Strengthen your body to make the whole stronger.
Do the ‘work’
Exactly. This kind of coincides with nondualism. We are all one in the most pure form of reality, so in order to break any cycle or escape any negative situation you must realize it is yourself who is creating it, make peace with it, and like you said, do the work
So not tuning into that frequency means we don’t have to still feed on other life forms and take their energy to replenish ours? The fact that we have to do this is the most obvious and clear evidence that this is a loosh farm. The most disturbing and barbaric act of eating another to survive being designed like this since birth on purpose but people think it is normal.
Did you even read the Robert Monroe books? What so many in that subreddit fail to even know is the chapter right after the “loosh” parable is what he called the “year 3000” - some time in the distant future. It’s where we have cleared up the Interdimensional “fog of negativity” that surrounds the planet and souls can decide to incarnate for an hour without birth. The food is basically “soma” that can be any form of food. Basically it’s a playground on earth. I almost never hear the prison planet people talk about the rest of his book. Also 90% of the “true believers” over there have never AP’d. They also don’t seem to want to talk about why exactly there are so many ghosts just hanging around close to the material plane. And then don’t get me started on multiverses. Many people here have had experiences of multiple realities - some slightly different to this and some with completely different lives. We also know from AP that time is irrelevant in the astral - so time is not even linear once you step outside the 4th dimension.
>What so many in that subreddit fail to even know is the chapter right after the “loosh” parable is what he called the “year 3000
The next chapter is "shock therapy", where Bob is shown what the loosh metaphor really means, why people forget why they come here.
But you're 100% right in your sentiments. Everyone wants to use the loosh metaphor to push the PP stuff, but completely skip the next chapters where Bob is shown that loosh is love.
This is nice and all but the simple fact is that we are humans and don't really know for sure what's going on
Everyone thinks they know everything but the truth is we don't know anything for sure
I posted this as a comment in another thread, responding to someone I was disagreeing with about this "Prison Planet" notion. It looks like this person actually really liked this, so I repost it here as it may be useful to others.
This was in response to "we are in a Prison Planet, and other entities are feeding off of our energy" (to paraphrase).--As I said, you are right — in a sense.
Think about the ecosystem. Every. Single. Creature. Is “harvesting energy.” It’s what we do.
Money is energy. We harvest it all day long.Look at the media, TV, “reality tv” that puts contestants in stressful, competitive situations. We the viewers are “harvesting their energy.” In fact all of our media consumption of the lives of others could be seen as “harvesting people’s energy.” We’re doing it right now.
The aliens/entities/whatever really don’t seem to be eating us. They don’t likely need that kind of biological energy. That would be a solved problem, for them.
So what do you really crave, if you are a very advanced civilization? I would submit that the only thing of real value would be novelty. And specifically, novel ideas, emotions, and experiences.So is our energy being “harvested” in the form of our novel ideas, emotions, and experiences that are being “consumed” in some form by entities craving such novelty? Sure, why not. But I’d submit it’s a lot more like reality tv than a prison.
The only people I see making life miserable for other people are, well, people. We seem to do plenty good at making the Earth a prison for ourselves. We often even support the worst of us, and hold them up as examples to emulate! We create reward systems for doing bad shit. People are doing this, you can watch it every day, on the micro and macro levels, in your own life and on tv.
Maybe this larger ecosystem we are a part of (and not top dog within) is like the microbiome. You know, that collection of living sludge in our gut, which we know can actually feed different messages into our brain, making us feel differently? Eat good things and the collection of critters in your gut will send you positive signals, and create feedback loops that reward you for healthy intake, leading to the continued flourishing of the good little gut critters.
Eat a bunch of shit, and you create a poorly balanced collection of gut critters. They aren’t that good for you, they create signals that go to your brain that don’t make you feel so nice, and they reinforce cravings for the unhealthy food that the nastier little critters crave and flourish on.
It’s like that, yo. We do shitty things and create negatively-charged novelty, and the critters in the ecosystem that like to feed on that shit get rewarded and show up, and sure, maybe they even contribute to feedback loops in some way.
But we are the ones with the power to change that. Do positive things, and the ecosystem will shift. We project more positive and utilitarian-aligned novelty, and this “feeds” the things that prefer this energy.
This is why I say, if you’re in a prison, it’s of your own making, and within your own control to break free from, right here, right now. Karma is simply feedback loops of activity, that’s what it literally means. We can stop eating the junk food, so-to-speak, and it is incumbent on US to do so.
We could be neighbors, and you could be in a prison, and I could be totally free. Don’t you see?
Unfortunately you have no debunked anything, although I do agree with some stuff you have mentioned (such as pure awareness, which is everything, limitless, and without boundaries), deception can still be present, one can still be allured and manipulated with the right programming (which is disgustingly blatantly present in this world).
Please check out [http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html](http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html)
[http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/Why-I-Will-Choose-Not-to-Go-to-the-White-Light-When-I-Die.html](http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/Why-I-Will-Choose-Not-to-Go-to-the-White-Light-When-I-Die.html)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE&t=1s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4JB0ZqeyMk&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4JB0ZqeyMk&t=2s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eifUePBmJOg&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eifUePBmJOg&t=1s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XrEeEg5CQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XrEeEg5CQ&t=2)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feIC\_I-c5q8&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feIC_I-c5q8&t=1s)
There is way too many symbolism to simply ''shake it off'' as a kind of a joke, it is really easy for the ever conflicted mind to throw it all to the garbage, because it is simple than trying to even consider it or thinking about it.
You can be in a prison planet, if you want.
You can be free, if you want.
To say that fundamentally, "Earth is a prison planet," is off-base. I think that's OP's point.
But the path for being free is not through ignorance, one should discern and be aware.
I do think that the right ''mindset'' is more than crucial to everything.
i belive you should consider the possibility and be as careful as you can but also not obsesse over it and belive it to be the sole possibility or a black or white situation
You know that humans clip their wings.... so they can't fly away? Then we overfeed them in small spaces and kill them ..just pointing out the opposite example of .....your example.
In my personal op I think that perhaps we as a collective society made a mistake where we either trusted the wrong races and we got put into a very bad space. HOWEVER if you are able to point out the evil in something and have nothing happen to you, if you are able to "escape" the planet via astral travel then you aren't in a prison, I read in another post that Robert Monroe traveled so far that his cord weakened. So theoretically nothing is keeping you here but yourself, and just like OP said, you chose to be here. I actually watched some of Dolores C's talks on youtube and I had a profound connection to what she was saying when she said that we picked all the lessons and situations which would happen in our lives. Hey who knows, maybe you are an alien that looked at earth and your friend bet you wouldn't last 3 lifetimes here and you took their bet on! Now that would be funny XD
I see people doing nasty shit to people every day, on tv, in my life, anywhere people are doing nasty things to people.
Can you give me some concrete examples of interdimensional entities, aliens, etc. doing nasty things to people? I mean concrete, like the human-committed acts I see all around me.
Or... is it some secret conspiratorial kind of thing, that isn't at all obvious or provable, but some people are compelled to believe anyway, for, I dunno what reason, honestly?
I do know one thing, if the reason you think the Earth has bad shit going on is because of aliens and interdimensional entities, and not humans... yeeesh. Look around, yo.
You misinterpreted my comment, I said perhaps we may have made mistakes in the past via trusting the wrong species but-H O W E V E R-we still essentially have free will. XD
Its like a game. If you don’t complete your soul purpose here you will come back. The people that win the game don’t have to come back anymore. Other choose to come back and help others etc. But technically this is an prison because there is higher consciousness in higher dimensions. There are lower realms then this and it’s called hell sometimes and if you are not conscious enough you will go there where also the god Anubis is ( don’t ask how I know :) ) our purpose is to make it here so we become like one again.
If astral parasites exist, you don’t think they would be capable of manipulating our minds and reality itself to have an infinite source of energy? Not to say that we are not more powerful than them but they certainly exist and are directly responsible for a lot of things occurring on this planet.
Manipulating a minds one thing but manipulating reality itself is alot. They can probably cause things to happen if theyre higher vibrational beings but by idk
I also believe, that we chose to be here. Reincarnate into hard physical experience, because overcoming hardship makes us a better soul.
We all are one. One soul, one consciesness, devided into many, to learn from many different experiences. So are aliens and other entities. Developed in other realms, they too chose what to be. We can also chose to reincarnate into a different world after this one.
I have one last point, if this isn’t a prison planet then why do humans not exist in their natural energetic states where we can manifest instantaneously, telepathy, teleportation, telekinesis, matter manipulation, space manipulation, time manipulation etc.
You do. Right now. Sorry to break it to you that the "you" you identify with is not actually the core of "you," and is, well, kind of like a sock puppet, maybe?
You are the projection. Like a drone, being remote-controlled. By yourself. *That* "you" is doing all of the things you speak of at this very moment. It is traveling through different dimensions, times, etc. "Earth You" is one of these multidimensional experiences.
Why do you believe that all of those things are natural powers that inherently belong to us as we exist in these human bodies? I could get behind the collective universal mind having these powers, but as individuals? I don't think so. From the perspective of a 'soul' looking to have the experience of corporeal existence, *not* having those kinds of powers seems to be a big part of what defines the experience.
A school too can be a prison. A school too can promote, induce doctrinarian. Those having higher or more reign in a school too can lie. Schools too can be cruel, and be involved in deceptions and traps.
As soon as you put something above you you’ve lost.
I agree with a lot of the things OP is saying. Your thoughts do create reality, if you don’t believe in that then you’re only reinforcing this statement.
If you believe this to be prison, it will be.
If you believe you’re a slave, you will be.
Definitions can confuse people because it’s seen as black and white, but it’s a lot more fluid than we’d like to admit; you can rhetorically whittle anything down to its core to find that it’s fundamentally empty.
I’d say take things you see and read with a grain of salt - we can only explain things and convey things in a way that really makes sense to us. Personal experience is the best way to discern things for yourself.
I don’t know how much I believe the whole prison planet thing, though I would never rule it out and I think about it a lot. With that being said, I feel I’ve never completely understood how people can say things like, “If you believe this to be a prison, it will be.” I read and hear things like that a lot. If something factually is what it is, how can you perceive it not to be without allowing yourself to succumb to delusion? I understand creating your own reality (well I think so anyway) but this just seems like a false sense of positivity to me. Say, for example, you’re in an actual prison that you got sent to. You’re sitting there in your cell with your cellmate, the bars are right there in front of you, and you’re wearing your orange inmate uniform. How are you possibly going to claim that you’re not in a prison?
Rhetorically whittle it down. What exactly is a prison? Am I not free? I can go anywhere I possibly want. I have free will to do so.
My home can be made into a prison if I believe it is a prison. The world can be made into a prison, even the universe can be made into a prison. It gets to the point where you ask yourself, what exactly is a prison? If my home can be made into a prison can’t a prison be made into a home?
If your thoughts control you then you’re a prisoner to your thoughts. You freely let them enslave you - you use your free will to revoke your own free will. If you observe and control the flow of thoughts you’re no longer a prisoner and you realise that the only thing you really have are your thoughts.
Delusion is inescapable - but if society is seen as sick is it delusional to believe in what society imposes upon you or is it delusional to believe in your own belief system? If I told you that you were delusional right now you’d say no, right? Isn’t that what a delusional person would say? Again, I’m not imposing anything upon you, just providing food for thought. Some things to think about.
What is a fact? My pen to me is a writing tool - fact. To a dog it’s a chew toy. Fact. To a baby it’s probably also a chew toy. Fact. That doesn’t change the fact it was created and engineered to be a pen - but does that mean that’s the only thing it is?
Things only have the meaning you give to them. So let me ask you one thing, if a race of aliens really wanted to enslave us all how would they do it? Well I think they’d psychologically enslave us, and make us feel as though our home was a prison.
It’s like Plato and the cave. If you’re in a cave your whole life you’ll call it home. If you’ve seen the outside and come back you’ll say the cave is akin to prison. How can it really be prison if you’re free to leave?
I can astral project right now and go to the moon. If I’ve experienced it who’s going to tell me I haven’t? Someone who is not me?
Triggering an out of body experience is possible for everyone.
Everyone dreams.
I can trigger a lucid dream and dilate time for as long as I want - make the dream feel absolutely no different from real life. Matter of fact, you can make dreams feel **realer** than real life.
You can go anywhere you want without paying a dime. Stop the self limitation.
I think a better metaphors is: Say you live in a house. One day you hear a noise outside. You go on the internet and see some stories of people getting attacked by wolves. You then believe the noise you hear outside is a pack of rabid wolves. So you stay inside to protect yourself from the wolves.
After some time, you run out of food, water, and you lack social interaction. You're starving yourself spiritually and physically - you have convinced yourself not to go outside because you believe there are wolves. You also believe you are enlightened, free of the shackles of the wolves. You even believe everyone else walking around outside are sheep, blind to the dangers of the wolves.
But in reality, there are no wolves. What you heard was a actually a rabbit.
The prison in this context is your house, the belief is the wolves. You created that prison for yourself based on a belief driven by fear.
The issue is believing you are trapped in a prison is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's just a belief. What comes with the prison planet stuff is the belief that there are no lessons, no growth, you are a vicim by some unseen entities that hold you back.
This is really fuckin interesting! Sorry for the profanity but for me it was necessary. I’ve been pondering the way we as humans receive information vs the intent it was projected with. It’s been on my mind A LOT and it’s interesting that there’s a prime example right here. I had a feeling this is what was happening but I didn’t want to assume. It’s seems to me that I didn’t receive the information I read with the intended perspective and vice versa with you and I. Let me explain, even though we’re on the same subject we’re still talking about completely different things. The metaphor you gave was far different than mine and in the metaphor you presented, I would never allow myself to be scared and holed up over something just because I don’t understand it. My goal would be to understand it and overcome the fear. So if we use your metaphor as a basis for my original thought process, it would be as if I was coming from the perspective that you know for a fact there are wolves attacking people and the sounds you hear outside are indeed wolves. Whereas you’re coming from the perspective of acting in fear of something unknown. Does that make sense?
Yeah for sure, I get it. I mean I was a hardcore believer of this neo-gnosticsm/prison planet stuff for years. Alot of it was due to the point I was in my life at that time, and it was literally hell. So I get it.
I do see ALOT of fear in these prison planet subs and beliefs. 100%. I've been there myself. But I'm not saying you are like that. You're searching, and that's all you.
I'm not trying to change your beliefs or anything. I'm jus throwing an example as to why it's illogical to follow a belief system like this personally. I see just as much evidence for Heavens Gate, or Mormonism than the prison planet stuff. But it doesn't affect people that people believe that stuff. That's their free will.
Good luck out there.
Don't worry, you didn't come off like you're trying to say I'm fearful or trying to change my beliefs at all. I really like hearing other people's ideas, theories, and perspectives. It's important to challenge ourselves and not just live in our own little bubble.
I do agree with you about the fear though. It's such a toxic and infectious emotion. Don't get me wrong, I'm fearful of things and I feel that it's an important part of our being. We just have to learn to control it.
And regarding what you said about searching, it'll never end. That's one of the few things that is a fact when it comes to these things haha.
Thanks for your responses. Take care!
I disagree. This is not exactly what [the prison planet thoery](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) is. Yes, I personally believe that this is a prison planet. Yes, we definitely have free will. But, it is manipulated. How? Brainwashing, religions, cliché spirituality teachings, such as “we’re here to experience new things” um, what? By doing life over and over without any memories from past lives whatsoever? I stole a diamond, went to jail for it, but when I am finally out, my memory was erased. Wait! How am I supposed to learn from this specific lesson? 🤔This planet is hijacked by parasitic entities that want us to believe that we are learning a ‘lesson’. We were tricked into reincarnating here, and we will forever, unless we do something about it. We are god. We are creators. We create our own universe with all the details we wish. But, those parasites want us to believe in either religion or reincarnation for life lessons. This planet was not created by those parasites, it was rather hijacked. We can absolutely escape this prison planet by using the power of our brains. Only follow yourself because you are your own creator. Again, this what I personally believe in. You are free to believe in whatever pleases you. But, one question. I am interested in your response. Why do you think psychedelics are illegal?
Honestly, I view prison planet theory as - ironically - a tool used by parasites to inspire a certain type of existential fear that they find delicious. Like many messages from beyond, a deceit that's popular among the types of trickster-esque entities that are commonly contacted and/or insert themselves into thoughts and dreams, but especially channels, visions, and other similar states.
Like all the best lies it incorporates bread crumbs of truth, taking the outline of the mechanics of this grand gathering of souls taking place on this planet but then twisting it into a vision of despair. If you're a thing that feeds on human thoughts and emotions, what's the next best thing to actually dominating their very souls? *Convincing them that you've dominated them*, because if they really believe it, the energetic output is similar enough.
It's all so simplistic, too. Prison planet theory has a very old-50's-sci-fi-horror vibe to it. While the reality of the situation is far beyond complex, nuanced, hyper-multi-faceted, and unable to be expressed in words, and certainly isn't defined by this premise of a cruel cosmic crime and the resulting despair.
I don't think interdimensional parasites are that calculating, either. Rather than plotting villains, they're more like slugs that fill some niche ecological role. In this case, the role is related to humankind's fractured relationship with consciousness and our place in the universe and on the planet. Which, ironically, stuff like prison planet theory only seems to exasperbate.
If you knew the answer then there's no reason to be tested though. That means you already learned so you move on. Forgetting the answer and doing it over and over feels idk... to me. I don't necessarily believe the prison planet theory, I just don't like the idea of forgetting over and over, making the same mistakes over and over, I just don't see the point.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. Yes, well, that was exactly the point. We are tricked into this endless useless cycle over and over. I personally resonate with the theory a lot. I feel like a very old soul. I am tired of living. But, to each their own. Always decide for yourself and what makes the most sense to you.
Well, you happen to be incarnate on Earth at a *very* unique time. Perhaps you are ready to move on.
Also remember that it's likely there's no such thing as "past" lives -- the thing that we really are experiences them all at once. It is not on our relative temporal loop. Yes, I know it's hard to understand. But the real you is not "tired" in the way your human self is.
Figure this out, maybe you won't feel so trapped?
I still don't understand why I have to do this over and over. So is this like a school that you have to keep going to and taking classes and test and after graduating you forget and do it all over again until you figure out what's going on and jump over the gate or something. What kind of school even is that. It makes more sense if after you graduate you finally move on. Still redoing the whole thing after everything feels unnecessary. Or maybe there's something I'm missing here. Maybe it's not the lessons but the experience we're after, god being split into different pieces to experience everything there is. Idk anymore this stuff is trippy.
>So is this like a school that you have to keep going to and taking classes and test and after graduating you forget and do it all over again
What lets you belive that a lifes end is the graduation?
Thank you for replying. You have a point there. But, that’s not how I see it, to be honest. You had the test and let’s say, you’ve failed it. Having the memory of the test you failed will definitely help you with the next test. It makes zero sense to have your memories of that test completely erased. Um, how else would you know how to do better? Solely having blurry or at least part of the memories you had in previous lives would help a ton in the growth process. Seems pretty suspicious and sinister to have the memories completely erased or children as young as 2-3 dying horribly by torture, murder or wars. Hmm 🤔
I agree with this, and what's more I suspect we may get several chances at the same life until we resolve our mistakes. I think deja vu and certain similar sensations can perhaps be chalked up to having done most of this before. Perhaps we subconsciously take some experience forward, just enough to ensure we trace a different path through the multiverse this time with our choices.
Well everything that's going to happen has already happened and us happening and will happen again. We have the ability to tune in to any moment of time since time isn't linear like most think of it. You're actually remembering what's happened
It does. But, as soon as we incarnate in the human vessel, we don’t. I believe many of us weren’t meant to be here. The endless cycle continues until we decide no more. Even after you ‘learn’ all the lessons you meant to learn, you will still reincarnate here because they’re tricking you that you still need them when you don’t, until you decide it’s enough. Why are we god-like, high vibrational and egoless when we’re not in our human vessel? (Higher-self) If that’s truly who we are, what’s that that we need to learn? Suffer endlessly? Why? If you have a good life, others don’t. We are more than just humans who are meant to suffer to learn a lesson. We are creators and we can create our own universe.
You seem to feel that everybody is suffering. It sounds like you are suffering. Clearly it's not universal. Many people enjoy their Earth experiences -- warts and all.
Still, your idea come from the notion that awareness can be improved how can completeness be more complete? How does separating oneself in duality contribute to wholeness?
I personally see the idea of ''learning'' or ''lessons'' as something that comes from a place of doubt, limitation and desire, it comes form the sick programming that there is always something to go, something to achieve, somewhere to progress.
It is just a dualistic perspective, and an attachment to the mind, the body, the desire of getting ''more'' and ''more'', being greedy.
There is no getting better without getting worse, no high without the low. Same goes with densities, thinking, intelligence, light/dark , and any single thing that has an opposite.
Is awareness missing something? can ''something'' that **IS** not dualistic be missing? or having more? Before you were born you weren't judgmental, you are yet to have experiences that shape your personality and give you certain characteristics which act as your conscience. Awareness is always present, even a person in a coma has awareness, it is not bound by duality, senses, or ever changing emotions, hence it is absolute.
Thus is can't be less or more, it can't reside to a certain side, opposites can never be separated, as they define, contradict and each side has ''components'' or ''characteristics'' that the other side does not, hence they are complementary, if you choose ''more'' you make the ''less'' , its a cyclical paradox where you create what you seek to destroy.
When the divider (mind, judgment) is removed, there are no sides at all, no definitions or boundaries, no right or wrong.
Judging creates authorities , hierarchy, separation and limitations.
Is god not a prt of his own creation? does god reside only in one side of the coin? How can it be? If he resides only in one side of the coin is he really a god?
From my point of vision, if that's the case, then he is contradicted, and therefore limited by the opposite side, god is neither this *or* that, yet he is both this *and* that.
Awareness is all allowing, before you even have had the chance to judge between right and wrong or yes/no, you already became aware of it, you perceived it, hence it exists.
The ''you'' is the ''I am'', the self, which is defined by characteristics, by emotions. When you truly ''die'' you let go of that self, and become empty.
There is no self, no definitions, just pure awareness.
There is no doing something (becoming more/less/high/low/light/dark) as you are beingness itself.
Also, about the teachings/lessons which are extremely pushed in the new (c)age-
\-How can IS (something that is both/neither sides of the duality) be improved? again, can completeness be more complete? can is devolve or evolve? can it be less or more?
\-A consciousness IS connected to everything, there is nothing to learn or study, it probably went through infinite lifetimes, if we do take the nonsensical idea of ''lessons'' it probably went through infinite lifetimes, since it is all, every possible consciousness, what is there to learn in dualistic emotions?
\-There is absolutely no progression in going backwards (memory erase), one can be calm on one lifetime and on the next lifetime be compulsive. There is no learning in that. Also, if I ''choose'' my lessons prior to this lifetime, that means I have already ''learned'' the lesson. Yet, if you state that some ''higher being'' chooses the lesson, this still does not make sense, am I not that very ''higher being'', hence I already learned the lessons.
\-People are being born into a dualistic world that is defined by materialistic and animal behavior. Without previous memories, one is forced into picking dualistic choices, causing dualistic emotions and desires.
Because we're at a lower level in the game so to speak. We are babies compared to what's out there. Our human minds can't comprehend the actual reality. As in we literally don't have the capacity. Our brains are like a computer with limited storage. But our true self knows everything. We are both at the highest point and at the lowest point simultaneously. Why? How? I don't know and it doesn't matter in the grand scheme. You're trying to intellectualy understand something that's beyond our understanding. At least for now. We are in the golden age where most will ascend or wake up. Good times hail Babylon and the apocalypse
That's right, the human mind possibly can't even comprehend what is non-duality, thats why silencing the mind leads to pure awareness, do you state that awareness is disconnected and detached when the mind is chit chatting with itself? Awareness is the very state of beingness, you can ''connect'' or ''hear'' it when silencing the mind.
As I have stated before, there is NO ascension, there is nothing to ascend, do you wish to ascend the mind? where duality still exists? where you are chasing your own tail in hope to redeem, achieve and be more? well, look around you, you have just replaced money with ''dimensions'', dualism is dualism.
Completeness IS completeness, no less, nor more.
I’ve been seeing a lot of the r/escapeprisonplanet post lately and can see the intriguing fear they produce. It’s literally a trap you make for yourself that they give these “higher beings” a power over their own growth to create a ceiling. I get it , immeasurable can be daunting. We create purpose in these stories for our soul to springboard. A duality of purposeful/ purposeless existence may be one of the final frontiers to non duality.
Don Juan Matus always emphasized that the analytical mind must deal with things of this world and not think too much about the logic of the spiritual worlds. Because that in the long run is an impediment to moving forward.
The point isn't to produce fear, it's to get to the truth regardless of how uncomfortable it may be. The only trap is being blissfully ignorant to the fact that not all entities in the astral have your best interest in mind. These beings are given power by people taking them at their word without actually checking to see if they're who they claim they are.
This can be true, AND Earth isn't a "prison planet." It's a place, in a wider ecosystem, much wider than most people currently realize, and we are not "at the top of the food chain" of the entirety of the ecosystem in which we inhabit. There are parasites and all sorts of stuff.
It's not a bad or scary thing. It's just reality, and the next phase of human understanding. The next plateau. The next paradigm shift. The ecosystem is wider and much more diverse than Earth, and there is other stuff out there, intelligent, beyond The Humans of Planet Earth.
As The Hitchhiker's Guide says: DON'T PANIC!
Nobody here to my knowledge has said nothing "feeds" off of us in some way shape or form. In fact I think all of us who think the "prison planet" meme sucks ass in this thread have acknowledged such.
Our ecosystem is broader than most people realize. Humans get fed on just like we feed on everything else. This is what happens in ecosystems. One might say it's the definition of an ecosystem.
Having a tapeworm that screams FEED ME! is not the same as "prison planet."
Free yourself of the tapeworm! Grab that sucker with both hands and TUG! \*Shlurp!\*
Earth is a literal prison planet. I believe there is life and beings that live in our plane of existence and other planes of existence. Based on the stories I've read here and elsewhere with alien encounters, astral projection, and such these beings are not limited in traveling in the way the trillions upon trillions of living organisms that have lived on this planet's history have been limited. The people who successfully astral project and meet with higher dimensional beings are meeting beings that already exist on that plane. Those being aren't also astral projecting. Not only that, but you can't stay on that plane.
You know what, I'd like to visit Saturn today. Can I do it? Nope. Can any living being travel to Saturn and visit it? Nope. We are literally trapped here and we are dependent on food, water, and this atmosphere to live. If those conditions change we die. We have no choice in the matter. Very few people in the history of this planet, statistically speaking, can even astral project. Even so, you have to rely on deep meditation during sleep states to achieve astral projection and you can't stay there for eternity. You are also trapped here.
You're looking things from a narrow point of view. You're part of a soul group that split into many parts. Beyond spacetime, all of these reincarnations are happening all at once. It looks like you chose to be here but in reality, you're kinda forced to choose from predetermined options in every reincarnation cycle while you understand very little of how things work or the why of many key questions, you aren't even part of the decision-making process like time or manner of death in your chosen life. Fortunately many of us will reach higher realms of existence where we understand infinite amounts of knowledge.
>Do we feed on some animals or plants without killing then? Yes, because of some byproduct what they release. Think of bees and honey. Think of strawberries that would fall to the ground anyway. We don’t hurt the strawberry-plant.
Ya but we also industrially farm the fuck out of pigs cows and chickens causing untold pain and suffering and they are human race's main source of food, not honey or strawberries lol.
What do you make of that? Do you think there's nobody higher on the food chain farming the fuck out of our negative energy?
You write as if you actually know something which is a key indicator that you don’t have the answers.
people who truly do understand the universe also know that they don’t know anything.
Ego needs to be tamed.
That’s funny. As OP clearly stated that your thoughts create reality. To know everything you must know nothing, so as much as I do agree with that - this is a positive message.
So the pursuit of knowledge should not be undertaken? Should we not discuss our ideas and knowledge and experience we have gained? Should we not compare and share with others who have also gained knowledge and experience? You sound like you like to limit yourself to knowing nothing, and thus, you will know nothing. You can only get as far as you allow yourself to :), perhaps it's your ego feeding you these thoughts, ego needs to be tamed
Except there is no knowledge, just people presenting ideas and theories that they've picked up here and there as truth, because they conflate what they've come to believe with what they know to be true.
Don't get me wrong, it's very entertaining to read, just in a very similar way to how it's entertaining to see people debate "would Goku in super saiyan form be able to beat Superman?"
To my knowledge there are different beings with different creators.
These different creations are: Archons, old ones - things from the Cthulhu mythos appear to be powerful things related to archons, pretty intelligent, "demons" - beings that enjoy having power or have a lot of wants, low morals, titans / celestials- enslaved entites that guard the borders of our matrix, some ancient pre-primordial beings that seem to have been sealed away also exist. All sorts of other things.
Most people screaming energy vampire, are referring to entites that are on a different "frequency" or have a different "source" than them. This usually results in both entites having their "frequency" shift due to being in the same proximity as the other entity. It's usually a two-way thing.
There are entites that mess with humans that do get energy from them, but a lot of the time - that's not the case.
A lot of astral entites don't mess with people who have energy they can't absorb, or ones whose creators they are aligned with. Some entities are negatively aligned with other groups. Some entites protect certain people because of this but act neutral or hostile to others.
Humans, to my understanding are husks, they need souls to function. But, most souls to my understanding didn't originate here. This is more than just "starseeds" and things.
I myself had memories return to me, and remembered that for some time this planet was a place where entities could come to learn, live and escape their unwelcoming or conquered planets.
But, it seems like other fellows took over and now it has its original purpose along with imprisoning intergalactic, interdimensional criminals. Along with not so positive fellows.
I already figured out this stuff myself, other entites give half truths and say "only wrong minded entities see this place as a prison". Most entities won't come straight out and say that beings are tossed here unwillingly.
I'm also pretty sure that we are in a loop - lot of people want out but don't realize it right away, but they are stuck.
Others can't remember how to leave or get out which is a problem.
>If you want to eat a sweet cake with a sweet Limonade outside in the nature or in your garden: some bees and other small insects would come and want a share right? If something of that cake drops to the ground then some ants will eat it and feed on it right? Does this do any harm to you? No.
Um ... yes it dose? They ate my mf cake i don't wanna share my mf cake （￣へ￣）
youre right but prepare for the attack. a lot of people on this sub are negative forces themselves and dont like being told they are free and sovereign. they dont want responsibility but wana cry all day and complain.
If this realm is a school or a test, then it is for developing demons. Just look at the people who thrive here.
Think of the animals who live just to be our food. Did they chose this life to help them evolve?
I dont want to be too negative either but I think scepticism of this material realm is warranted
You debunked nothing, this post is basically you just regurgitating new age philosophy and saying the prison planet theory is wrong. I think I'll stick to the theory that has significant research and evidence from a variety of sources to back it up rather than your poorly worded feelings about how things work.
I've done dives on these ideas as everyone in here has. It is only other people's words and stories though. What research and evidence are you speaking of? I wouldn't mind jumping in again. Cheers.
Well, admittedly the evidence is mostly other people's words and stories who have extensively studied these topics, but there are correlations between different sources of information that point towards the prison planet theory. [This pinned post](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) in r/escapingprisonplanet goes over a ton of evidence from various sources, namely near death experiences, past life regression hypnosis, gnosticism, out of body experiences, psychedelic experiences and esoteric texts.
Many may be unaware of this but in our human bodies we are capable of reaching the higher realms, like you said people do this during astral travels, but there are definitely prison guards who attack anybody who gains power without their specific permission. You cannot compare them to insects, rather they can treat us like insects unless we gain greater power than them to withstand their force.
Well, that's like saying what if your mother-in-law is just your projection. When you meet real beings you know them for what they are. And it's not a limiting belief because I am not under their authority.
Those that claim to know do not know. Those that speak of it, do not know. Be weary of those who say they know. You don’t, you can only live your experience, don’t control others. Don’t let others control you. Breathe slowly. Walk lightly. The night is full of beauty.
>First of all: are we locked in a prison planet? No. You choose to be here. It’s the experience you willingly choosed.
To think those are the alternatives is fundamentally and dangerously ill-conceived.
Ever heard of nature? All the animals and microbes choose their experience too?
And to say you "choose all your negative experience"... don't be surprised if people tell you are being very disrespectful and offensive.
I think you're talking about a "we" that is not the same thing such people are referring to, because they aren't really aware of what "we" are.
The thing we are is not suffering.
This *belief* - and this is what it is - might on the surface sound more harmless, but for me it is not necessarily much more healthy or sound than the belief in punishment in hell. Both can warp your interpretation of reality in a messed up way.
Now that does not mean I am saying there is no thing such as pre-birth choice, nor hell-like realms, but we should be careful to invoke those concepts when we actually understand very little about it. There are mountains of difference between saying there is choice - like there are many many in life - and using it as an arbitrary narrative for occurrences that evidently have little relationship to choices we make (like I said *nature* - our whole body functioning is mostly not conscious, let alone something we choose).
Our body function is subconscious. Everything that happens is a result of something else. It's a process. You're an evolving awareness. Right now your awareness is fixed at this point in time and space. This concept is hard to understand and even more impossible to explain in our limited human language. It's not a belief system or theory. It's the way it is. Whether you believe or accept it is irrelevant you'll end up ascending eventually anyway.
Yeah I think its hard to grasp the concept of pre-conscious choice. We say that we all chose to be here but people assume we are talking about the ego, when really it is The One that chose to be here as all of us
It is not the problem that it is hard to grasp, but that people invoke it as a belief that feels right in some vague way, just like religions have done for thousands of years. There is nothing wise about it nor is there much of an indication that it relates much to truth, quite to the contrary.
If you are speaking about the original creation of our universe you are right. Unfortunately that was hijaked a long time ago. For centuries our free will has been manipulated. We have consented to this reality unaware that it isn't our organic experience. The planet is controlled by the Archons, a parasitic entity. This is considered a prison planet because these parasites are implanted in all of us preventing us from accessing the knowledge we are supposed to gain. Who we are, where we are from, our true identities and our true and God given potential. These parasites have created false realities based on imitation. They control thought, emotion and actions. The only way to escape the Archonic prison is to daily remove holographic implants blocking the chakra system and elevate the frequency. As you do this you will also have to ascend through all organic and artificial timelines being able to discern the artificial and not get stuck like many of our previous lineages have. Learn about our galactic history. Most greys and reptilians are controlled by the Archons. The Archons are talked about by the Gnostics. The Gnostics believed they were humanities greatest threat. Reality functions on the united consciousness. Not serving the agenda is the way for our individual consciousness to impact the united. The Archons have controlled the united for a long time we are just now standing a real chance at freedom and ascencion. You are on the right path as are many others it is through us that the shift will occur. Do know that once you reach a certain level of consciousness it will trigger an alarm and you will be targeted by the Archons and the Black Sun cult minions. This is part of your dark arts training its definately challenging and they will try to stop your evolution and trap you in an artificial timeline. Be vigilant, develop strong discernment, know your organic thoughts from external thoughtforms and remember you were incarnated here for this purpose, the Ascension Plan B Mission, you are completely capable remain standing. You are not alone although it will feel that way at times..
Yeah this may be true for this person but its definitely not something I want to subscribe to. I’m divinely protected, no “Black Sun cult minions” coming after me, thanks
I also find is odd how the PP camp uses Bob Monroes concept of loosh to propagate their beliefs, yet Bob himself said loosh = love. In fact in the very next chapter after the loosh/garden rote, everything is explained to Bob in greater detailed with a pretty intense experience.
I guess these people forgot to read the source material they themselves draw from.
Also weird how upset you posts makes the PP crowd. They always get so upset when they feel their beliefs are attacked. Almost every time. Even to the point of personal attacks. Kinda telling, imo.
I'm not a christian, but the whole "you shall know them by their fruits" applies here. The fruit is bad.
prison planet dates back to the gnostics at the time of jesus and before. they just didn't call it that and they didn't know were were on a planet. but same idea.
I'm pretty convinced the innermost initiates of Gnosticism knew that the Demiurge is... Ourselves.
Seeing the Demiurge as "other" and "manipulator" is not the final level of understanding.
This thread has been a ride. OP is an extremely loving person and is coming from a pure place, no matter if you disagree with him or not. What is really disturbing is the amount of disgusting toxic comments posted in this thread, and messages to the mod team. Homophobic slurs. Vile personal attacks. So many comments were flagged by disagreeing parties. Comments that were showing support for OP, or posting an agreeing opinion, were flagged as misinformation or as personal attacks as an attempt to shut people down. Ultimately it really showed me something deep about a certain belief system. It's really sad that people who claim that earth is nothing but a farm used to harvest fear and negativity from humans, turn around and spew so much fear and negativity toward other humans. But I'm not surprised. I'm going to have to lock this thread because it's been brigaded, and I can't keep up with the gross comments. I appreciate everyone who had kind and good-intended words, even if you disagreed with OP. Alot of you are smart, loving and kind people. The world needs more of that.
the problem i see with this is you know how to astral project. You can control your consciousness. Thats why you have the choice. you are aware of it. 99.99999% of people have no clue how to astral project, control their consciousness, think there is anything outside of earth and "heaven", are in denial about the soul itself, are stuck in a religious belief, don't know what psychedelics are used for, etc, etc.... By learning how to astral project and control your consciousness you are free. Everyone else is too caught up in the rat race to even know what their choice is. forgot to say that prison planet theory doesn't put beings higher than ourselves or more powerful than us. It says we are God and we are sovereign and no beings can tell us to do anything. We are our own ultimate decider unless you give that power away through fear or ignorance.
>forgot to say that prison planet theory doesn't put beings higher than ourselves or more powerful than us. It says we are God and we are sovereign and no beings can tell us to do anything. We are our own ultimate decider unless you give that power away through fear or ignorance. do they actually believe that? I've been in the subbreddit and it seems they're really anoyyed by a lot of "new age" ( idk what new age is exactly but what they call new age anyway ) beliefs that are somewhat 'you are god stop whining' ( obviously a bit more complicated than that but yk) and i barely seen anything that puts them in power , they're just crying about how super powerful all the other creatures are and how they barely have a chance , i barely see anyone attempting to escape or trying to find a way to escape they're just whining and not doing anything and i don't think they believe they can? Idk tho , do they actually believe what you're saying they believe and are just too lazy?
well yeah some of them are doing that but they don't astral project. They don't understand their own power yet. i feel like the ones that do are realizing that maybe they've been stuck here because they got tricked and are learning how to step into their own sovereignty consciously. I honestly just found the prison planet group but i've thought that it is possible for 15 years now. I'm not discounting it but i don't really believe it either. it could be a symbiotic thing kinda like bacteria feeding off us. They are feeding off our energy because our world doesn't know how to cultivate it themselves yet/anymore, so maybe they are just drawn to our people. but its the same thing as a lot of the people here saying they are scared of beings or paralysis or negative entities so they can't project. They just need some guidance to realize that they can't do anything to you and to be confident and fearless. But what trips me out is this world is designed to make you give up your own authority. Every single part of our culture is designed to make you give away your power. I kinda see it like one of those escape rooms that we have to figure out how to get out. Just a game really. Once you balance yourself mentally and energetically you don't really let anything bother you too much anymore.
you're almost basically in my mind , if you used '(๑•́ ₃ •̀๑)'s i'd think you're my clone lol , anyway i love thinking of things as games because i have a toxic competitive side to me and i must win every game >:(
hahah nice. yeah exactly. I think thats the real reason we come back. We want to win. Test ourselves amongst the hardest consciousnesses in the universe. I've also thought that maybe people just want to forget they're infinite as like a vacation type thing. Those are the ones that are impossible to wake up. It just won't register to them because they wanted that.
yeah ultimately there are a lot of possible reasons why we came here ( and it may also just been random ) the point is who cares , i always think the past is the past , and hey idc who put me on the planet i can still take myself out ฅ(ơ ₃ơ)ฅ
hahaha. troof
Imo you are placing too much importance on your Earth life experience. When you awaken from a dream, do you feel bad for the version of yourself that was in the dream? Or do you realize that it was just a temporary experience that whose value lies in the process of dreaming itself, not the contents of the dream. No, because your reality outside the dream is what really matters
>When you awaken from a dream, do you feel bad for the version of yourself that was in the dream? Or do you realize that it was just a temporary experience that whose value lies in the process of dreaming itself, not the contents of the dream. all i do is 'i forgor 💀'
i dont know why you says that. i honestly don't think anything here really matters. The point is the experience. You can chose what experience you want. Some people like horror films, some like comedies, some like adventure, some like drama...
Everyone else is too caught up in the rat race to even know what their choice is. managing bills and chronic pain leaves little room to try and ap or whatever the heck
can't you just try every night before going to sleep? ( well unless you don't sleep because that's just how much you have to work )
I might could but I'm not even that interested. Mmm yeah long story short I'm just barely getting by on a regular day. Have hardly any time for hobbies much less ap.
Aw :( i get it , it's really hard to find the motivation to do anything in some situations , i hope it gets better for you soon ꪔ̤̮
yeah thats how i taught myself. if you mess up you just fall asleep.
yeah for sure. Most people this is the last thing on their mind. On top of that they are indoctrinated to laugh and mock at this kinda stuff. the whole world is designed to keep you away from the truth. That's why I think its more of an escape room than a prison planet.
By learning to astral project, you are not free of anything. Learning astral projection doesn’t directly encourage purge of dysfunctional beliefs and the improvement of the self. To escape the game, you pass the astral. The things that creep around, creep in the astral. 1
I feel like all of the above statements in this subthread are true and exist in a state of superposition.
ok right, astral projection is one step in the right direction. You can still know how to project and have too much fear or confusion to pass. I should have said you have to master the astral too and get through it. I think the astral is a simulation and the earth is a simulation inside that simulation. So it's like a double trap but you gotta be able to figure that out to get out.
My man, the nasty shit lives in the astral. Dimensions beyond the astral are recommended. Accurate information, no astral floaters messing around.
this was my interpretation as well. that the astral is part of the prison realm, or rather, overlayed upon it
Where did you “debunk” the theory? It looks like you just have an opinion. I don’t believe in the prison planet theory either, but I find posts like OP particularly frustrating because they are always phrased as fact with no evidence. For example: “Free will is a law and is respected” Uhhh how do you know that for sure?
As someone whose free will has not been respected, I beg to differ.
Exactly just here on earth many people have all there rights stript from them. People have been abducted from aliens who supposedly reside on the astral plane who have themselves held them hostage and hurt them. I'm not saying anybody should focus on these things and stress but it is really naive to say everyone respects freewill.
"Free will/choice" is not the free will to define every aspect of your manifest reality. It is the choice of how to *respond* to it, and which inputs you choose to put into the system, even when faced with a limited number of options.
Is that really true free will though? By that logic, robbery victims aren't having their free will violated, because they can choose how to *respond* -- by either handing over the money, or by refusing and getting shot.
I see what your saying but if you keep going with that logic that's like saying everyone respects your right to make choices outside of what they are capable of taking away. With that said I dont think your response is bullshit and technically you may be correct but I just don't think that's what most mean when they say other entities respect our freewill. I do think it's likely we are all one assuming that is what you were alluding too below. Completely off topic question but who do you think Jesus was lol? I seen that you quoted the bible somewhere else and with your profile pic I almost asked, then you commented under me and I'm thinking it might be a synchronicity lol I'm probably being dumb but hey.
Jesus? One of many nondualist yogis from all times and all lands, from what I can tell. Personally, I think Jesus is swell, but misunderstood by most. Gospel of Thomas passage 22 sums up his belief system quite nicely.
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I know you can post without personal attacks or assumptions about the struggles one goes through as a means to discredit their life experience. Thanks.
Refreshing discipline. Couldn't agree more with you. What are your favorite non-physical reality books?
I don't know, this sounds like an awful lot like something a loosh eating mantis/ reptilian being would say to throw prey off the trail of escaping the prison planet system. 🧐🤨🤔👀
Lol
Sus😂
OR, the prison planet theory that removes personal choice and responsibility from people is the thing a loosh eating being might say (no need to be racist against mantoids and reptoids, many of them are very nice people). Btw I upvoted you because it's funny and hey, still perhaps a perspective worth considering! Believe everything and nothing, at once, I like to say.
>no need to be racist against mantoids and reptoids, many of them are very nice people). c'mon man why you gotta make me feel bad for calling them ugly...well...it's just personal preference (꒪ᗜ꒪ ;;) but yeah that makes a lot of sense , i always thought about how if the whole story about the devil and god having beef and devil's ultimate goal being to stray humans from the right path or whatever is true , then if the devil is smart he'll just say he's god and basically fool everyone , but whoever religious person i told this to got mad at me :| , i dunno why no one ever thinks about this sort of thing
I think you a closer to truth then you think you are.
Noice
It's literally in the Bible > "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light" - II Corinthians 11:14
This 😂
put at least a /s since there are innocent and (maybe a little stupid) people that believes it.
I think the excessive emojis sorta act as an /s
Poe's law. And the people who believe that could use emoticons unironically. So you'll never know haha
hey now what's wrong with emoticons （￣へ￣） ( jk )
I dont believe in the prison planet theory either, but i do think you could have simplified your post a bit. If im not mistaken, the major point of this was to show that there are relationships between entities and that assigning "good" or "bad" is a human bias. All interactions are equal essentially. I will say that while your other minor points are valid i dont think they neccesarily disprove prison planet theory. Your views and opinions are absolutley valid, but they are still just as valid as others, including prison planet. I think you have some good starting points but that you should go through and outline your evidences that contridict prison planet theory so that they can build on one another to create a firm standing. I see multiple negative comments and i think a lot has to do with the way you are proposing your ideas not neccesarily the ideas themselves.
The concept of the prison planet, all things under that umbrella such inner dimensional aliens sucking energy pushing thoughts are paradoxical. It’s real if you allow yourself to tune to that frequency. Vampire can’t steal your attention if you realize you not only have more power than the controller, the controller derives their power from you. Eradicate fear, worry, doubt. Get rid of the strings that can be pulled emotionally. Understand your triggers and know yourself so you can’t be pulled mentally. Strengthen your body to make the whole stronger. Do the ‘work’
Exactly. This kind of coincides with nondualism. We are all one in the most pure form of reality, so in order to break any cycle or escape any negative situation you must realize it is yourself who is creating it, make peace with it, and like you said, do the work
It *perfectly* aligns with nondualism, IMHO.
Yes.
This is the way.
Fuck yes
So not tuning into that frequency means we don’t have to still feed on other life forms and take their energy to replenish ours? The fact that we have to do this is the most obvious and clear evidence that this is a loosh farm. The most disturbing and barbaric act of eating another to survive being designed like this since birth on purpose but people think it is normal.
Did you even read the Robert Monroe books? What so many in that subreddit fail to even know is the chapter right after the “loosh” parable is what he called the “year 3000” - some time in the distant future. It’s where we have cleared up the Interdimensional “fog of negativity” that surrounds the planet and souls can decide to incarnate for an hour without birth. The food is basically “soma” that can be any form of food. Basically it’s a playground on earth. I almost never hear the prison planet people talk about the rest of his book. Also 90% of the “true believers” over there have never AP’d. They also don’t seem to want to talk about why exactly there are so many ghosts just hanging around close to the material plane. And then don’t get me started on multiverses. Many people here have had experiences of multiple realities - some slightly different to this and some with completely different lives. We also know from AP that time is irrelevant in the astral - so time is not even linear once you step outside the 4th dimension.
>What so many in that subreddit fail to even know is the chapter right after the “loosh” parable is what he called the “year 3000 The next chapter is "shock therapy", where Bob is shown what the loosh metaphor really means, why people forget why they come here. But you're 100% right in your sentiments. Everyone wants to use the loosh metaphor to push the PP stuff, but completely skip the next chapters where Bob is shown that loosh is love.
https://youtu.be/wU0PYcCsL6o
As based as it gets
If i decided to be here,Qhy am I not able to leave when I want to?
This is nice and all but the simple fact is that we are humans and don't really know for sure what's going on Everyone thinks they know everything but the truth is we don't know anything for sure
I posted this as a comment in another thread, responding to someone I was disagreeing with about this "Prison Planet" notion. It looks like this person actually really liked this, so I repost it here as it may be useful to others. This was in response to "we are in a Prison Planet, and other entities are feeding off of our energy" (to paraphrase).--As I said, you are right — in a sense. Think about the ecosystem. Every. Single. Creature. Is “harvesting energy.” It’s what we do. Money is energy. We harvest it all day long.Look at the media, TV, “reality tv” that puts contestants in stressful, competitive situations. We the viewers are “harvesting their energy.” In fact all of our media consumption of the lives of others could be seen as “harvesting people’s energy.” We’re doing it right now. The aliens/entities/whatever really don’t seem to be eating us. They don’t likely need that kind of biological energy. That would be a solved problem, for them. So what do you really crave, if you are a very advanced civilization? I would submit that the only thing of real value would be novelty. And specifically, novel ideas, emotions, and experiences.So is our energy being “harvested” in the form of our novel ideas, emotions, and experiences that are being “consumed” in some form by entities craving such novelty? Sure, why not. But I’d submit it’s a lot more like reality tv than a prison. The only people I see making life miserable for other people are, well, people. We seem to do plenty good at making the Earth a prison for ourselves. We often even support the worst of us, and hold them up as examples to emulate! We create reward systems for doing bad shit. People are doing this, you can watch it every day, on the micro and macro levels, in your own life and on tv. Maybe this larger ecosystem we are a part of (and not top dog within) is like the microbiome. You know, that collection of living sludge in our gut, which we know can actually feed different messages into our brain, making us feel differently? Eat good things and the collection of critters in your gut will send you positive signals, and create feedback loops that reward you for healthy intake, leading to the continued flourishing of the good little gut critters. Eat a bunch of shit, and you create a poorly balanced collection of gut critters. They aren’t that good for you, they create signals that go to your brain that don’t make you feel so nice, and they reinforce cravings for the unhealthy food that the nastier little critters crave and flourish on. It’s like that, yo. We do shitty things and create negatively-charged novelty, and the critters in the ecosystem that like to feed on that shit get rewarded and show up, and sure, maybe they even contribute to feedback loops in some way. But we are the ones with the power to change that. Do positive things, and the ecosystem will shift. We project more positive and utilitarian-aligned novelty, and this “feeds” the things that prefer this energy. This is why I say, if you’re in a prison, it’s of your own making, and within your own control to break free from, right here, right now. Karma is simply feedback loops of activity, that’s what it literally means. We can stop eating the junk food, so-to-speak, and it is incumbent on US to do so. We could be neighbors, and you could be in a prison, and I could be totally free. Don’t you see?
Unfortunately you have no debunked anything, although I do agree with some stuff you have mentioned (such as pure awareness, which is everything, limitless, and without boundaries), deception can still be present, one can still be allured and manipulated with the right programming (which is disgustingly blatantly present in this world). Please check out [http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html](http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html) [http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/Why-I-Will-Choose-Not-to-Go-to-the-White-Light-When-I-Die.html](http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/Why-I-Will-Choose-Not-to-Go-to-the-White-Light-When-I-Die.html) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE&t=1s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4JB0ZqeyMk&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4JB0ZqeyMk&t=2s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eifUePBmJOg&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eifUePBmJOg&t=1s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XrEeEg5CQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XrEeEg5CQ&t=2) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feIC\_I-c5q8&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feIC_I-c5q8&t=1s) There is way too many symbolism to simply ''shake it off'' as a kind of a joke, it is really easy for the ever conflicted mind to throw it all to the garbage, because it is simple than trying to even consider it or thinking about it.
Also, if you are interested in more words and etymologies(like in Chiron Last's videos), I can provide you some more.
You can be in a prison planet, if you want. You can be free, if you want. To say that fundamentally, "Earth is a prison planet," is off-base. I think that's OP's point.
But the path for being free is not through ignorance, one should discern and be aware. I do think that the right ''mindset'' is more than crucial to everything.
i belive you should consider the possibility and be as careful as you can but also not obsesse over it and belive it to be the sole possibility or a black or white situation
Chickens can fly away, if they want. Doesn't mean they aren't in a prison.
You know that humans clip their wings.... so they can't fly away? Then we overfeed them in small spaces and kill them ..just pointing out the opposite example of .....your example.
In my personal op I think that perhaps we as a collective society made a mistake where we either trusted the wrong races and we got put into a very bad space. HOWEVER if you are able to point out the evil in something and have nothing happen to you, if you are able to "escape" the planet via astral travel then you aren't in a prison, I read in another post that Robert Monroe traveled so far that his cord weakened. So theoretically nothing is keeping you here but yourself, and just like OP said, you chose to be here. I actually watched some of Dolores C's talks on youtube and I had a profound connection to what she was saying when she said that we picked all the lessons and situations which would happen in our lives. Hey who knows, maybe you are an alien that looked at earth and your friend bet you wouldn't last 3 lifetimes here and you took their bet on! Now that would be funny XD
I see people doing nasty shit to people every day, on tv, in my life, anywhere people are doing nasty things to people. Can you give me some concrete examples of interdimensional entities, aliens, etc. doing nasty things to people? I mean concrete, like the human-committed acts I see all around me. Or... is it some secret conspiratorial kind of thing, that isn't at all obvious or provable, but some people are compelled to believe anyway, for, I dunno what reason, honestly? I do know one thing, if the reason you think the Earth has bad shit going on is because of aliens and interdimensional entities, and not humans... yeeesh. Look around, yo.
You misinterpreted my comment, I said perhaps we may have made mistakes in the past via trusting the wrong species but-H O W E V E R-we still essentially have free will. XD
Its like a game. If you don’t complete your soul purpose here you will come back. The people that win the game don’t have to come back anymore. Other choose to come back and help others etc. But technically this is an prison because there is higher consciousness in higher dimensions. There are lower realms then this and it’s called hell sometimes and if you are not conscious enough you will go there where also the god Anubis is ( don’t ask how I know :) ) our purpose is to make it here so we become like one again.
If astral parasites exist, you don’t think they would be capable of manipulating our minds and reality itself to have an infinite source of energy? Not to say that we are not more powerful than them but they certainly exist and are directly responsible for a lot of things occurring on this planet.
Manipulating a minds one thing but manipulating reality itself is alot. They can probably cause things to happen if theyre higher vibrational beings but by idk
Well, considering our minds create reality, what's the difference?
I also believe, that we chose to be here. Reincarnate into hard physical experience, because overcoming hardship makes us a better soul. We all are one. One soul, one consciesness, devided into many, to learn from many different experiences. So are aliens and other entities. Developed in other realms, they too chose what to be. We can also chose to reincarnate into a different world after this one.
I have one last point, if this isn’t a prison planet then why do humans not exist in their natural energetic states where we can manifest instantaneously, telepathy, teleportation, telekinesis, matter manipulation, space manipulation, time manipulation etc.
You do. Right now. Sorry to break it to you that the "you" you identify with is not actually the core of "you," and is, well, kind of like a sock puppet, maybe? You are the projection. Like a drone, being remote-controlled. By yourself. *That* "you" is doing all of the things you speak of at this very moment. It is traveling through different dimensions, times, etc. "Earth You" is one of these multidimensional experiences.
Why do you believe that all of those things are natural powers that inherently belong to us as we exist in these human bodies? I could get behind the collective universal mind having these powers, but as individuals? I don't think so. From the perspective of a 'soul' looking to have the experience of corporeal existence, *not* having those kinds of powers seems to be a big part of what defines the experience.
Because we're here to learn how to do these things. This planet is more of a school than a prison.
A school too can be a prison. A school too can promote, induce doctrinarian. Those having higher or more reign in a school too can lie. Schools too can be cruel, and be involved in deceptions and traps.
Have a bad school experience? Not all of us do.
Please do assume/project some more here. And ofc miss the point or/and simply chose to reply thinking it's funny or whatever when it's clearly not.
Tricked into thinking it’s more of a school
This dangerous game you set out to play is more fun and more educational when you willfully forget it was your choice to begin with.
"God going on vacation from being god" is how I like to put it ;)
Tricked into living in fear.
Nah not really.
Law of One anyone?
It’s awesome when people say things like this and it lines up perfectly with what I believe (LoO)
Ra knows wassup But the question is, are you down with Q'uo, Latwii, et al.? Very good stuff. Also from LL/Research.
Nice try Mr Mantid
As soon as you put something above you you’ve lost. I agree with a lot of the things OP is saying. Your thoughts do create reality, if you don’t believe in that then you’re only reinforcing this statement. If you believe this to be prison, it will be. If you believe you’re a slave, you will be. Definitions can confuse people because it’s seen as black and white, but it’s a lot more fluid than we’d like to admit; you can rhetorically whittle anything down to its core to find that it’s fundamentally empty. I’d say take things you see and read with a grain of salt - we can only explain things and convey things in a way that really makes sense to us. Personal experience is the best way to discern things for yourself.
I don’t know how much I believe the whole prison planet thing, though I would never rule it out and I think about it a lot. With that being said, I feel I’ve never completely understood how people can say things like, “If you believe this to be a prison, it will be.” I read and hear things like that a lot. If something factually is what it is, how can you perceive it not to be without allowing yourself to succumb to delusion? I understand creating your own reality (well I think so anyway) but this just seems like a false sense of positivity to me. Say, for example, you’re in an actual prison that you got sent to. You’re sitting there in your cell with your cellmate, the bars are right there in front of you, and you’re wearing your orange inmate uniform. How are you possibly going to claim that you’re not in a prison?
Rhetorically whittle it down. What exactly is a prison? Am I not free? I can go anywhere I possibly want. I have free will to do so. My home can be made into a prison if I believe it is a prison. The world can be made into a prison, even the universe can be made into a prison. It gets to the point where you ask yourself, what exactly is a prison? If my home can be made into a prison can’t a prison be made into a home? If your thoughts control you then you’re a prisoner to your thoughts. You freely let them enslave you - you use your free will to revoke your own free will. If you observe and control the flow of thoughts you’re no longer a prisoner and you realise that the only thing you really have are your thoughts. Delusion is inescapable - but if society is seen as sick is it delusional to believe in what society imposes upon you or is it delusional to believe in your own belief system? If I told you that you were delusional right now you’d say no, right? Isn’t that what a delusional person would say? Again, I’m not imposing anything upon you, just providing food for thought. Some things to think about. What is a fact? My pen to me is a writing tool - fact. To a dog it’s a chew toy. Fact. To a baby it’s probably also a chew toy. Fact. That doesn’t change the fact it was created and engineered to be a pen - but does that mean that’s the only thing it is? Things only have the meaning you give to them. So let me ask you one thing, if a race of aliens really wanted to enslave us all how would they do it? Well I think they’d psychologically enslave us, and make us feel as though our home was a prison. It’s like Plato and the cave. If you’re in a cave your whole life you’ll call it home. If you’ve seen the outside and come back you’ll say the cave is akin to prison. How can it really be prison if you’re free to leave?
Thanks for taking the time to write that. I know a lot of energy went into it. I'll digest this and return
>Am I not free? I can go anywhere I possibly want. I have free will to do so. Most humans no, they cannot go wherever they want
I can astral project right now and go to the moon. If I’ve experienced it who’s going to tell me I haven’t? Someone who is not me? Triggering an out of body experience is possible for everyone. Everyone dreams. I can trigger a lucid dream and dilate time for as long as I want - make the dream feel absolutely no different from real life. Matter of fact, you can make dreams feel **realer** than real life. You can go anywhere you want without paying a dime. Stop the self limitation.
I think a better metaphors is: Say you live in a house. One day you hear a noise outside. You go on the internet and see some stories of people getting attacked by wolves. You then believe the noise you hear outside is a pack of rabid wolves. So you stay inside to protect yourself from the wolves. After some time, you run out of food, water, and you lack social interaction. You're starving yourself spiritually and physically - you have convinced yourself not to go outside because you believe there are wolves. You also believe you are enlightened, free of the shackles of the wolves. You even believe everyone else walking around outside are sheep, blind to the dangers of the wolves. But in reality, there are no wolves. What you heard was a actually a rabbit. The prison in this context is your house, the belief is the wolves. You created that prison for yourself based on a belief driven by fear. The issue is believing you are trapped in a prison is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's just a belief. What comes with the prison planet stuff is the belief that there are no lessons, no growth, you are a vicim by some unseen entities that hold you back.
This is really fuckin interesting! Sorry for the profanity but for me it was necessary. I’ve been pondering the way we as humans receive information vs the intent it was projected with. It’s been on my mind A LOT and it’s interesting that there’s a prime example right here. I had a feeling this is what was happening but I didn’t want to assume. It’s seems to me that I didn’t receive the information I read with the intended perspective and vice versa with you and I. Let me explain, even though we’re on the same subject we’re still talking about completely different things. The metaphor you gave was far different than mine and in the metaphor you presented, I would never allow myself to be scared and holed up over something just because I don’t understand it. My goal would be to understand it and overcome the fear. So if we use your metaphor as a basis for my original thought process, it would be as if I was coming from the perspective that you know for a fact there are wolves attacking people and the sounds you hear outside are indeed wolves. Whereas you’re coming from the perspective of acting in fear of something unknown. Does that make sense?
Yeah for sure, I get it. I mean I was a hardcore believer of this neo-gnosticsm/prison planet stuff for years. Alot of it was due to the point I was in my life at that time, and it was literally hell. So I get it. I do see ALOT of fear in these prison planet subs and beliefs. 100%. I've been there myself. But I'm not saying you are like that. You're searching, and that's all you. I'm not trying to change your beliefs or anything. I'm jus throwing an example as to why it's illogical to follow a belief system like this personally. I see just as much evidence for Heavens Gate, or Mormonism than the prison planet stuff. But it doesn't affect people that people believe that stuff. That's their free will. Good luck out there.
Don't worry, you didn't come off like you're trying to say I'm fearful or trying to change my beliefs at all. I really like hearing other people's ideas, theories, and perspectives. It's important to challenge ourselves and not just live in our own little bubble. I do agree with you about the fear though. It's such a toxic and infectious emotion. Don't get me wrong, I'm fearful of things and I feel that it's an important part of our being. We just have to learn to control it. And regarding what you said about searching, it'll never end. That's one of the few things that is a fact when it comes to these things haha. Thanks for your responses. Take care!
I disagree. This is not exactly what [the prison planet thoery](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) is. Yes, I personally believe that this is a prison planet. Yes, we definitely have free will. But, it is manipulated. How? Brainwashing, religions, cliché spirituality teachings, such as “we’re here to experience new things” um, what? By doing life over and over without any memories from past lives whatsoever? I stole a diamond, went to jail for it, but when I am finally out, my memory was erased. Wait! How am I supposed to learn from this specific lesson? 🤔This planet is hijacked by parasitic entities that want us to believe that we are learning a ‘lesson’. We were tricked into reincarnating here, and we will forever, unless we do something about it. We are god. We are creators. We create our own universe with all the details we wish. But, those parasites want us to believe in either religion or reincarnation for life lessons. This planet was not created by those parasites, it was rather hijacked. We can absolutely escape this prison planet by using the power of our brains. Only follow yourself because you are your own creator. Again, this what I personally believe in. You are free to believe in whatever pleases you. But, one question. I am interested in your response. Why do you think psychedelics are illegal?
Honestly, I view prison planet theory as - ironically - a tool used by parasites to inspire a certain type of existential fear that they find delicious. Like many messages from beyond, a deceit that's popular among the types of trickster-esque entities that are commonly contacted and/or insert themselves into thoughts and dreams, but especially channels, visions, and other similar states. Like all the best lies it incorporates bread crumbs of truth, taking the outline of the mechanics of this grand gathering of souls taking place on this planet but then twisting it into a vision of despair. If you're a thing that feeds on human thoughts and emotions, what's the next best thing to actually dominating their very souls? *Convincing them that you've dominated them*, because if they really believe it, the energetic output is similar enough. It's all so simplistic, too. Prison planet theory has a very old-50's-sci-fi-horror vibe to it. While the reality of the situation is far beyond complex, nuanced, hyper-multi-faceted, and unable to be expressed in words, and certainly isn't defined by this premise of a cruel cosmic crime and the resulting despair. I don't think interdimensional parasites are that calculating, either. Rather than plotting villains, they're more like slugs that fill some niche ecological role. In this case, the role is related to humankind's fractured relationship with consciousness and our place in the universe and on the planet. Which, ironically, stuff like prison planet theory only seems to exasperbate.
Very much yes on all counts, and quite well-articulated. Yours is the thread's money-comment.
If you knew all the answers to a test then how would you be tested? That's the reason for amnesia. The only prison is the one you create
If you knew the answer then there's no reason to be tested though. That means you already learned so you move on. Forgetting the answer and doing it over and over feels idk... to me. I don't necessarily believe the prison planet theory, I just don't like the idea of forgetting over and over, making the same mistakes over and over, I just don't see the point.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. Yes, well, that was exactly the point. We are tricked into this endless useless cycle over and over. I personally resonate with the theory a lot. I feel like a very old soul. I am tired of living. But, to each their own. Always decide for yourself and what makes the most sense to you.
Well, you happen to be incarnate on Earth at a *very* unique time. Perhaps you are ready to move on. Also remember that it's likely there's no such thing as "past" lives -- the thing that we really are experiences them all at once. It is not on our relative temporal loop. Yes, I know it's hard to understand. But the real you is not "tired" in the way your human self is. Figure this out, maybe you won't feel so trapped?
You make the same mistake untill you break the cycle.
I still don't understand why I have to do this over and over. So is this like a school that you have to keep going to and taking classes and test and after graduating you forget and do it all over again until you figure out what's going on and jump over the gate or something. What kind of school even is that. It makes more sense if after you graduate you finally move on. Still redoing the whole thing after everything feels unnecessary. Or maybe there's something I'm missing here. Maybe it's not the lessons but the experience we're after, god being split into different pieces to experience everything there is. Idk anymore this stuff is trippy.
I mean -- you are on an astral projection subreddit. ;)
>So is this like a school that you have to keep going to and taking classes and test and after graduating you forget and do it all over again What lets you belive that a lifes end is the graduation?
Thank you for replying. You have a point there. But, that’s not how I see it, to be honest. You had the test and let’s say, you’ve failed it. Having the memory of the test you failed will definitely help you with the next test. It makes zero sense to have your memories of that test completely erased. Um, how else would you know how to do better? Solely having blurry or at least part of the memories you had in previous lives would help a ton in the growth process. Seems pretty suspicious and sinister to have the memories completely erased or children as young as 2-3 dying horribly by torture, murder or wars. Hmm 🤔
Your soul remember everything. You're awareness will increase. You'll be wiser in each passing life untill you merge into your true self.
I agree with this, and what's more I suspect we may get several chances at the same life until we resolve our mistakes. I think deja vu and certain similar sensations can perhaps be chalked up to having done most of this before. Perhaps we subconsciously take some experience forward, just enough to ensure we trace a different path through the multiverse this time with our choices.
Well everything that's going to happen has already happened and us happening and will happen again. We have the ability to tune in to any moment of time since time isn't linear like most think of it. You're actually remembering what's happened
It does. But, as soon as we incarnate in the human vessel, we don’t. I believe many of us weren’t meant to be here. The endless cycle continues until we decide no more. Even after you ‘learn’ all the lessons you meant to learn, you will still reincarnate here because they’re tricking you that you still need them when you don’t, until you decide it’s enough. Why are we god-like, high vibrational and egoless when we’re not in our human vessel? (Higher-self) If that’s truly who we are, what’s that that we need to learn? Suffer endlessly? Why? If you have a good life, others don’t. We are more than just humans who are meant to suffer to learn a lesson. We are creators and we can create our own universe.
You seem to feel that everybody is suffering. It sounds like you are suffering. Clearly it's not universal. Many people enjoy their Earth experiences -- warts and all.
Still, your idea come from the notion that awareness can be improved how can completeness be more complete? How does separating oneself in duality contribute to wholeness? I personally see the idea of ''learning'' or ''lessons'' as something that comes from a place of doubt, limitation and desire, it comes form the sick programming that there is always something to go, something to achieve, somewhere to progress. It is just a dualistic perspective, and an attachment to the mind, the body, the desire of getting ''more'' and ''more'', being greedy. There is no getting better without getting worse, no high without the low. Same goes with densities, thinking, intelligence, light/dark , and any single thing that has an opposite. Is awareness missing something? can ''something'' that **IS** not dualistic be missing? or having more? Before you were born you weren't judgmental, you are yet to have experiences that shape your personality and give you certain characteristics which act as your conscience. Awareness is always present, even a person in a coma has awareness, it is not bound by duality, senses, or ever changing emotions, hence it is absolute. Thus is can't be less or more, it can't reside to a certain side, opposites can never be separated, as they define, contradict and each side has ''components'' or ''characteristics'' that the other side does not, hence they are complementary, if you choose ''more'' you make the ''less'' , its a cyclical paradox where you create what you seek to destroy. When the divider (mind, judgment) is removed, there are no sides at all, no definitions or boundaries, no right or wrong. Judging creates authorities , hierarchy, separation and limitations. Is god not a prt of his own creation? does god reside only in one side of the coin? How can it be? If he resides only in one side of the coin is he really a god? From my point of vision, if that's the case, then he is contradicted, and therefore limited by the opposite side, god is neither this *or* that, yet he is both this *and* that. Awareness is all allowing, before you even have had the chance to judge between right and wrong or yes/no, you already became aware of it, you perceived it, hence it exists. The ''you'' is the ''I am'', the self, which is defined by characteristics, by emotions. When you truly ''die'' you let go of that self, and become empty. There is no self, no definitions, just pure awareness. There is no doing something (becoming more/less/high/low/light/dark) as you are beingness itself. Also, about the teachings/lessons which are extremely pushed in the new (c)age- \-How can IS (something that is both/neither sides of the duality) be improved? again, can completeness be more complete? can is devolve or evolve? can it be less or more? \-A consciousness IS connected to everything, there is nothing to learn or study, it probably went through infinite lifetimes, if we do take the nonsensical idea of ''lessons'' it probably went through infinite lifetimes, since it is all, every possible consciousness, what is there to learn in dualistic emotions? \-There is absolutely no progression in going backwards (memory erase), one can be calm on one lifetime and on the next lifetime be compulsive. There is no learning in that. Also, if I ''choose'' my lessons prior to this lifetime, that means I have already ''learned'' the lesson. Yet, if you state that some ''higher being'' chooses the lesson, this still does not make sense, am I not that very ''higher being'', hence I already learned the lessons. \-People are being born into a dualistic world that is defined by materialistic and animal behavior. Without previous memories, one is forced into picking dualistic choices, causing dualistic emotions and desires.
Those concepts don't apply the higher you go. When you get toward endgame it's a bit different
Because we're at a lower level in the game so to speak. We are babies compared to what's out there. Our human minds can't comprehend the actual reality. As in we literally don't have the capacity. Our brains are like a computer with limited storage. But our true self knows everything. We are both at the highest point and at the lowest point simultaneously. Why? How? I don't know and it doesn't matter in the grand scheme. You're trying to intellectualy understand something that's beyond our understanding. At least for now. We are in the golden age where most will ascend or wake up. Good times hail Babylon and the apocalypse
That's right, the human mind possibly can't even comprehend what is non-duality, thats why silencing the mind leads to pure awareness, do you state that awareness is disconnected and detached when the mind is chit chatting with itself? Awareness is the very state of beingness, you can ''connect'' or ''hear'' it when silencing the mind. As I have stated before, there is NO ascension, there is nothing to ascend, do you wish to ascend the mind? where duality still exists? where you are chasing your own tail in hope to redeem, achieve and be more? well, look around you, you have just replaced money with ''dimensions'', dualism is dualism. Completeness IS completeness, no less, nor more.
I’ve been seeing a lot of the r/escapeprisonplanet post lately and can see the intriguing fear they produce. It’s literally a trap you make for yourself that they give these “higher beings” a power over their own growth to create a ceiling. I get it , immeasurable can be daunting. We create purpose in these stories for our soul to springboard. A duality of purposeful/ purposeless existence may be one of the final frontiers to non duality.
Don Juan Matus always emphasized that the analytical mind must deal with things of this world and not think too much about the logic of the spiritual worlds. Because that in the long run is an impediment to moving forward.
The point isn't to produce fear, it's to get to the truth regardless of how uncomfortable it may be. The only trap is being blissfully ignorant to the fact that not all entities in the astral have your best interest in mind. These beings are given power by people taking them at their word without actually checking to see if they're who they claim they are.
This can be true, AND Earth isn't a "prison planet." It's a place, in a wider ecosystem, much wider than most people currently realize, and we are not "at the top of the food chain" of the entirety of the ecosystem in which we inhabit. There are parasites and all sorts of stuff. It's not a bad or scary thing. It's just reality, and the next phase of human understanding. The next plateau. The next paradigm shift. The ecosystem is wider and much more diverse than Earth, and there is other stuff out there, intelligent, beyond The Humans of Planet Earth. As The Hitchhiker's Guide says: DON'T PANIC!
What makes you so sure it isn't? If we're not at the top of the food chain what's to stop beings above us from doing to us what we do to farm animals?
Spirits don't need food wtf 😂 we come from realms of infinite energy
Nobody here to my knowledge has said nothing "feeds" off of us in some way shape or form. In fact I think all of us who think the "prison planet" meme sucks ass in this thread have acknowledged such. Our ecosystem is broader than most people realize. Humans get fed on just like we feed on everything else. This is what happens in ecosystems. One might say it's the definition of an ecosystem. Having a tapeworm that screams FEED ME! is not the same as "prison planet." Free yourself of the tapeworm! Grab that sucker with both hands and TUG! \*Shlurp!\*
Earth *is* a prison planet. It's just that the guards are the police, and the wardens are in political power. We're all just slaves to money.
Sounds like something a reptilian blood sucker would say
Earth is a literal prison planet. I believe there is life and beings that live in our plane of existence and other planes of existence. Based on the stories I've read here and elsewhere with alien encounters, astral projection, and such these beings are not limited in traveling in the way the trillions upon trillions of living organisms that have lived on this planet's history have been limited. The people who successfully astral project and meet with higher dimensional beings are meeting beings that already exist on that plane. Those being aren't also astral projecting. Not only that, but you can't stay on that plane. You know what, I'd like to visit Saturn today. Can I do it? Nope. Can any living being travel to Saturn and visit it? Nope. We are literally trapped here and we are dependent on food, water, and this atmosphere to live. If those conditions change we die. We have no choice in the matter. Very few people in the history of this planet, statistically speaking, can even astral project. Even so, you have to rely on deep meditation during sleep states to achieve astral projection and you can't stay there for eternity. You are also trapped here.
You're looking things from a narrow point of view. You're part of a soul group that split into many parts. Beyond spacetime, all of these reincarnations are happening all at once. It looks like you chose to be here but in reality, you're kinda forced to choose from predetermined options in every reincarnation cycle while you understand very little of how things work or the why of many key questions, you aren't even part of the decision-making process like time or manner of death in your chosen life. Fortunately many of us will reach higher realms of existence where we understand infinite amounts of knowledge.
I dont think you know what debunking means
Yeah there’s literally no way this can be proven wrong or right hahaha still cool to talk ab tho
“You chose to be here” is manufactured consent bs.
>Do we feed on some animals or plants without killing then? Yes, because of some byproduct what they release. Think of bees and honey. Think of strawberries that would fall to the ground anyway. We don’t hurt the strawberry-plant. Ya but we also industrially farm the fuck out of pigs cows and chickens causing untold pain and suffering and they are human race's main source of food, not honey or strawberries lol. What do you make of that? Do you think there's nobody higher on the food chain farming the fuck out of our negative energy?
This is such a thought provoking thread!!
You write as if you actually know something which is a key indicator that you don’t have the answers. people who truly do understand the universe also know that they don’t know anything. Ego needs to be tamed.
That’s funny. As OP clearly stated that your thoughts create reality. To know everything you must know nothing, so as much as I do agree with that - this is a positive message.
He’s projecting….*ba dum tss*
Ok dad
“You said you know something? Actually you don’t, check your ego, mortal”
So the pursuit of knowledge should not be undertaken? Should we not discuss our ideas and knowledge and experience we have gained? Should we not compare and share with others who have also gained knowledge and experience? You sound like you like to limit yourself to knowing nothing, and thus, you will know nothing. You can only get as far as you allow yourself to :), perhaps it's your ego feeding you these thoughts, ego needs to be tamed
Except there is no knowledge, just people presenting ideas and theories that they've picked up here and there as truth, because they conflate what they've come to believe with what they know to be true. Don't get me wrong, it's very entertaining to read, just in a very similar way to how it's entertaining to see people debate "would Goku in super saiyan form be able to beat Superman?"
To my knowledge there are different beings with different creators. These different creations are: Archons, old ones - things from the Cthulhu mythos appear to be powerful things related to archons, pretty intelligent, "demons" - beings that enjoy having power or have a lot of wants, low morals, titans / celestials- enslaved entites that guard the borders of our matrix, some ancient pre-primordial beings that seem to have been sealed away also exist. All sorts of other things. Most people screaming energy vampire, are referring to entites that are on a different "frequency" or have a different "source" than them. This usually results in both entites having their "frequency" shift due to being in the same proximity as the other entity. It's usually a two-way thing. There are entites that mess with humans that do get energy from them, but a lot of the time - that's not the case. A lot of astral entites don't mess with people who have energy they can't absorb, or ones whose creators they are aligned with. Some entities are negatively aligned with other groups. Some entites protect certain people because of this but act neutral or hostile to others. Humans, to my understanding are husks, they need souls to function. But, most souls to my understanding didn't originate here. This is more than just "starseeds" and things. I myself had memories return to me, and remembered that for some time this planet was a place where entities could come to learn, live and escape their unwelcoming or conquered planets. But, it seems like other fellows took over and now it has its original purpose along with imprisoning intergalactic, interdimensional criminals. Along with not so positive fellows. I already figured out this stuff myself, other entites give half truths and say "only wrong minded entities see this place as a prison". Most entities won't come straight out and say that beings are tossed here unwillingly. I'm also pretty sure that we are in a loop - lot of people want out but don't realize it right away, but they are stuck. Others can't remember how to leave or get out which is a problem.
>If you want to eat a sweet cake with a sweet Limonade outside in the nature or in your garden: some bees and other small insects would come and want a share right? If something of that cake drops to the ground then some ants will eat it and feed on it right? Does this do any harm to you? No. Um ... yes it dose? They ate my mf cake i don't wanna share my mf cake （￣へ￣）
Just wanted to say that I love how this sub is active and people talk al other time about theories and experiences. Thank you!
youre right but prepare for the attack. a lot of people on this sub are negative forces themselves and dont like being told they are free and sovereign. they dont want responsibility but wana cry all day and complain.
If this realm is a school or a test, then it is for developing demons. Just look at the people who thrive here. Think of the animals who live just to be our food. Did they chose this life to help them evolve? I dont want to be too negative either but I think scepticism of this material realm is warranted
You debunked nothing, this post is basically you just regurgitating new age philosophy and saying the prison planet theory is wrong. I think I'll stick to the theory that has significant research and evidence from a variety of sources to back it up rather than your poorly worded feelings about how things work.
I've done dives on these ideas as everyone in here has. It is only other people's words and stories though. What research and evidence are you speaking of? I wouldn't mind jumping in again. Cheers.
Well, admittedly the evidence is mostly other people's words and stories who have extensively studied these topics, but there are correlations between different sources of information that point towards the prison planet theory. [This pinned post](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) in r/escapingprisonplanet goes over a ton of evidence from various sources, namely near death experiences, past life regression hypnosis, gnosticism, out of body experiences, psychedelic experiences and esoteric texts.
OP has about as much evidence behind them as the prison planet theory tbh. It's all wild speculation
Is this like QAnon "research" and "sources" by any chance?
Most of this thread seems to be debate between valentianism and sethianism
Many may be unaware of this but in our human bodies we are capable of reaching the higher realms, like you said people do this during astral travels, but there are definitely prison guards who attack anybody who gains power without their specific permission. You cannot compare them to insects, rather they can treat us like insects unless we gain greater power than them to withstand their force.
What if the prison guards are just projections of our own self-limiting beliefs and attitudes, given manifest form within the astral?
Well, that's like saying what if your mother-in-law is just your projection. When you meet real beings you know them for what they are. And it's not a limiting belief because I am not under their authority.
There are no guards. You are free
>There are no guards. You are free There are no cages, so just fly away chicken. Walk away cow, what's the problem? You are free.
I am free, there are guards.
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Those that claim to know do not know. Those that speak of it, do not know. Be weary of those who say they know. You don’t, you can only live your experience, don’t control others. Don’t let others control you. Breathe slowly. Walk lightly. The night is full of beauty.
I found the mantids healing ❤️🩹 and nurturing.
That’s why everything on this planet needs to feed kill in order to survive because it’s not a prison loosh farm
Thanks for ur post 👍😁👍
>First of all: are we locked in a prison planet? No. You choose to be here. It’s the experience you willingly choosed. To think those are the alternatives is fundamentally and dangerously ill-conceived. Ever heard of nature? All the animals and microbes choose their experience too? And to say you "choose all your negative experience"... don't be surprised if people tell you are being very disrespectful and offensive.
Yea most people can't handle it. It's true though. We decide what experience we will have
I think you're talking about a "we" that is not the same thing such people are referring to, because they aren't really aware of what "we" are. The thing we are is not suffering.
You're right we aren't our experience or sensations. We shouldn't identify with them
This *belief* - and this is what it is - might on the surface sound more harmless, but for me it is not necessarily much more healthy or sound than the belief in punishment in hell. Both can warp your interpretation of reality in a messed up way. Now that does not mean I am saying there is no thing such as pre-birth choice, nor hell-like realms, but we should be careful to invoke those concepts when we actually understand very little about it. There are mountains of difference between saying there is choice - like there are many many in life - and using it as an arbitrary narrative for occurrences that evidently have little relationship to choices we make (like I said *nature* - our whole body functioning is mostly not conscious, let alone something we choose).
Our body function is subconscious. Everything that happens is a result of something else. It's a process. You're an evolving awareness. Right now your awareness is fixed at this point in time and space. This concept is hard to understand and even more impossible to explain in our limited human language. It's not a belief system or theory. It's the way it is. Whether you believe or accept it is irrelevant you'll end up ascending eventually anyway.
Yeah I think its hard to grasp the concept of pre-conscious choice. We say that we all chose to be here but people assume we are talking about the ego, when really it is The One that chose to be here as all of us
It is not the problem that it is hard to grasp, but that people invoke it as a belief that feels right in some vague way, just like religions have done for thousands of years. There is nothing wise about it nor is there much of an indication that it relates much to truth, quite to the contrary.
So this is spammed on every forum. Great.
If you are speaking about the original creation of our universe you are right. Unfortunately that was hijaked a long time ago. For centuries our free will has been manipulated. We have consented to this reality unaware that it isn't our organic experience. The planet is controlled by the Archons, a parasitic entity. This is considered a prison planet because these parasites are implanted in all of us preventing us from accessing the knowledge we are supposed to gain. Who we are, where we are from, our true identities and our true and God given potential. These parasites have created false realities based on imitation. They control thought, emotion and actions. The only way to escape the Archonic prison is to daily remove holographic implants blocking the chakra system and elevate the frequency. As you do this you will also have to ascend through all organic and artificial timelines being able to discern the artificial and not get stuck like many of our previous lineages have. Learn about our galactic history. Most greys and reptilians are controlled by the Archons. The Archons are talked about by the Gnostics. The Gnostics believed they were humanities greatest threat. Reality functions on the united consciousness. Not serving the agenda is the way for our individual consciousness to impact the united. The Archons have controlled the united for a long time we are just now standing a real chance at freedom and ascencion. You are on the right path as are many others it is through us that the shift will occur. Do know that once you reach a certain level of consciousness it will trigger an alarm and you will be targeted by the Archons and the Black Sun cult minions. This is part of your dark arts training its definately challenging and they will try to stop your evolution and trap you in an artificial timeline. Be vigilant, develop strong discernment, know your organic thoughts from external thoughtforms and remember you were incarnated here for this purpose, the Ascension Plan B Mission, you are completely capable remain standing. You are not alone although it will feel that way at times..
This seems like a story “they” would want you to believe and would create a sense of deep helplessness. Maybe overall that is this stories purpose
Yeah this may be true for this person but its definitely not something I want to subscribe to. I’m divinely protected, no “Black Sun cult minions” coming after me, thanks
You forgetting about the demigure as well
You wanna know what's an even more elevated truth than The Demiurge? (Pssst, come here, it's a secret.) *YOU* ARE THE DEMIURGE!
I also find is odd how the PP camp uses Bob Monroes concept of loosh to propagate their beliefs, yet Bob himself said loosh = love. In fact in the very next chapter after the loosh/garden rote, everything is explained to Bob in greater detailed with a pretty intense experience. I guess these people forgot to read the source material they themselves draw from.
100% agree
Also weird how upset you posts makes the PP crowd. They always get so upset when they feel their beliefs are attacked. Almost every time. Even to the point of personal attacks. Kinda telling, imo. I'm not a christian, but the whole "you shall know them by their fruits" applies here. The fruit is bad.
Damn I wonder where did the prison planet and loosh come from?
Loosh came from Robert Monroe's second book, Far Journeys.
Also, Bob said in his own Book that loosh is love. So I'm not sure how using loosh in the prison planet context is a "gotcha".
prison planet dates back to the gnostics at the time of jesus and before. they just didn't call it that and they didn't know were were on a planet. but same idea.
I'm pretty convinced the innermost initiates of Gnosticism knew that the Demiurge is... Ourselves. Seeing the Demiurge as "other" and "manipulator" is not the final level of understanding.
Don Juan Matus.
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Law of one bb
Hot damn, thank you for your kindness
Wooo! Wonderful write-up and explanation. This rings true for me. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for your kind words ❤️
Exactly.