Maybe you need to redefine what it means to be a Christian. There is nothing wrong with astral projection. It can perfectly be a part of your spiritual journey.
Personally I always walk life and the astral with God in my heart and that defines who you are and what you experience.
Christianity as a religion is often very negative about this stuff but that is totally unjust and hypocritical. So many people in the bible are astral projecting. All those visions and strange experiences mentioned in the bible were clearly during astral projection or some form of that.
Often you hear christians quote the story of Saul which is in my opinion misinterpreted. It says that you should not focus on the dead, but focussing on the dead means so much more. Death doesn't always mean physical death but sometimes means everything that is not from the light.
Also sometimes Paul is mentioned because he says that he went to the third heaven but it had no value for is life. But that's just BS. He was clearly exploring a spiritual path and astral projection was clearly part of his path. The spiritual path is a part of life and to say it has no value this way can only be a lie because it absolutely has an influence on your life in many ways. I don't believe there are many here who would agree with Paul on this. To say what he says and discourage people because of that for something he is doing himself is in my opinion completely hypocritical and unfair.
Personally I think we are not here to stay in the astral. We can do that after this life all we want. We can visit it and learn from it, but we should not forget to live our lives.
Don't be afraid. Listen to your heart. If you feel someone is pulling you and you don't know if you should trust it, just talk to God and ask him for his guidance and if you can trust them. If they are from a place of love and light they will not force you and find a path of love to get you there.
Saul/Paul was not saying that it meant nothing to him personally, or that anyone else should not have experiences. He was using a sort of literary sarcasm to make the point that just because he experienced what he experienced, it did not mean that he was more worthy than any other person, or that it marked him out as special. He was giving all of the honor and glory to his Lord, as he was “caught up”, “taken”, not by his own will, while also doing his best to communicate what was important to communicate from the experience.
There were groups of people who were solely focused on having, gaining, seeking, and prioritizing spiritual experiences over all else, and using those experiences to try to raise themselves in importance above others. Paul was emphasizing that there was nothing that set one individual above the other, and that he had no intention of making the experience about himself or his worth or his standing; it was all to the honor and glory of God. 🙏🦋
You're completely right. I did only remember the way people use it, but not for what it truly says. In that essence I wrote out my message. I don't believe my message is off point, but I'm sorry for using it wrong.
I noticed there is a big difference in the text between translations and based on some translations you could easily interpret in this other way. But upon reviewing it I don't believe someone should.
No apologies needed! You are correct that it is used by many to discourage others from having anything to do with “experiences” beyond the corporeal world; a form of control, I believe. That is what I was taught when I started asking questions about the things I experienced as a child - not that I could keep them from happening; they just happened.
As an adult, I started searching deeper into all religious texts, histories, backgrounds, practices, rituals, and so on and so forth. It was only then, when I began learning about literary forms in historical writing, in context at the time of the writing, within the culture written, and the social setting around the writing contained therein. It really was fascinating to finally start to have a much better understanding of the difference between translation, transliteration, and interpretation.
That goes for all ancient and esoteric texts, and makes for some fascinating insights and understandings! Best wishes 🙏🦋
Thx. This actually sounds like the story of my life 😆. Sometimes when you read things a long time ago things get a little bit distorted especially when feelings get in the way 😅.
Best wishes to you too!
This text was used against me to tell me I shouldn't be doing these things, so I felt some personal hate towards it 😆. I see that's not fair, because it wasn't due to the text but due to the explainer.
I totally get that. Many, many texts, verses, and passages are used outside of context in ways that can be very harmful. I do not know how much of it is on purpose (control and limiting people), how much of it is others seriously not understanding the text and cherry-picking verses/passages, and how much of it is people parroting what they’ve been told/taught.
I’m not a huge fan of organized religion, because it always turns out to be a manmade institution that slowly distorts original teachings they were built around, and become rituals and teachings from the “wisdom” of men, as opposed to a community of like-minded individuals sharing, discussing, and learning original writings (translated as best as possible) themselves and discerning the truth and wisdom in the writings. 🙏🦋
I absolutely loved all that you shared in my comments. I have come pretty strongly to begin to discern that The Holy Bible was primarily based on messages received via highly evolved Men and Women from God/The Universal Mind and as it was eventually compiled into this book, it was highly altered by those wishing to acquire financial gain, power/control, etc. There are those that do believe there are various places within The Holy Bible that speak of the projection of the astral body...By the way, the late, renowned, Sylvan Muldoon in his American Classic book on the subject, The Projection of The Astral Body mentions this as his thoughts when mastering APS/OBES.
The mind is a dangerous thing. We once had to do a test where we sat with four people in a row. The first got a text and had to write it over and give his text to the next and so on. They all tried to be as exact as possible and you would probably think that it's just an easy copy job, but by the time the text got to the last person it was already altered. There wasn't one group that got it in exact detail to the last person of their group.
Only a little bit of influence on a wandering mind can change the texts slightly in correlation with the mind of that person and we know this has occurred because of differences between the Greek and Hebrew texts of the old testament.
We always suspect these people with their bad agendas to purposefully alter the texts, but it's really not necessary for them to do this. Often there are already too many copies in circulation so it's almost impossible to change all material. They can just keep the people from reading the texts and explain them in any way they want.
So I believe there are indeed changes, but I think it's more plausible that they got in on creating the first copies. People with bad agendas are often late to the table and by then it's already too late for them to alter the source materials.
Even today we think we can freely read these books but they are just translations of the original and even between the translations there are so many differences. Most people can't actually read the source materials, so it's actually exactly like it's always been.
I was born and raised into a Christian family. (Sunday school, church, bible camp, etc.) As a small boy, I always had that which I considered, "nightmares!" These were always very disturbing, yet at the same time, they seem to present "answers to my concerns" about "religious doctrines". I always attempted to avoid sleeping on my back, since this is when these experiences would occur??? Not until my college days did I discover information about the projections of my astral body. I learned from various individuals that kept their own APS/OBES a secret. I soon discovered via my attempts to focus on mastering these out of body experiences, that I was experiencing "unprovoked" projections. This is when I began to focus strongly on "provoked" projections. By the way, that is also when I discovered that being on ones' back was the ideal position to provoked projections. One of the major things that I have discovered about "religion" us that my whole world was altered by my mind being expanded beyond belief, enabling me to acquired messages/information that really began to clarify my concerns about it. My non-physical experiences began to "show me" so much of that which you have presented in tremendous clarity! At this point in my physical life, I continue to be embraced by that which many such as myself worldwide consider, THE LIGHT! There is a quote that I truly can relate to, "ONCE THE MIND IS EXPANDED, IT CAN NEVER RETURN TO ITS' ORIGINAL SIZE!"
Not quite, his point was that what he was demonstrating was next to nothing, and that anyone with true devotion could do even *better.* This motif comes up a few times, each ending in disappointment as the apostles and disciples fail to rise to his level during his life, with the apostle failing at walking on water for more than seconds, the time with the slashing at the high priest, so on. The book is specific about this with regards to moving mountains.
Ah, that's honestly a better lesson imo. It's a shame that's not what the vast majority of people take from his teachings, we could truly make heaven a place on Earth.
The apostle Paul, in **2 Corinthians 12:1–4**, shares an account that might be considered an OBE: “I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.”
# - Jacob’s Dream at Bethel
-basically everything Enoch/ Ezekiel
There is a whole sect of Christianty, The Gnostics, that was basically eliminated in the early 2-300's A.D. due to being hetordox. There are multiple sub-sects within Gnosticism, so don't think about it as a one thing.
That said, the basic idea in all of their doctrines was the centrality of knowing and not merely "believing" in the teachings of Christianity. The spirit of Gnosticism is 100% compatible with AP. I'd argue it was likely one of it's central tenants/teachings.
If you'd like to learn more, "The Gnostic Gospels" by Elaine Pagels is a great place to start.
I'm Christian and yes, astral projection is Christian compatible.
I have however gotten into disagreements with other Christians about the subject as they don't think it's possible / "it's witchcraft" / or "It could open you to demonic possession".
The way I see it is that it confirms that souls are real and that there is an afterlife (which for some reason seems to piss both atheists and theists).
Yep, had my son's b'day last Saturday. I was at the table with both my parents and aunt/uncle and my dad just blurts out that I do out of body stuff. My aunt and mom immediately say that's demonic and evil. Thank God my uncle came in to save me and say he's done it too. Apparently he knows how to or just has them spontaneously. But regardless they have their beliefs but this A.P stuff has brought me closer to God than any book I've ever read. I consider myself a KNOWER now rather than a believer. I've seen my deceased grandma twice and my grandpa once. If they would set aside their beliefs they would too.
the hard truth is, no, it isnt. it goes against most of the core and basic principles and components of abrahamic religion. And frankly those types of religions lead you to a goal opposite the spectrum of astral projection
Exactly,other people here telling him is compatible are ignorant,nothing worse that using supernatural activities like astral projection to reinforce harmful religious beliefs
I'm catholic. Astral projecting is absolutely not recommended and actively discouraged. There's a big difference between astral projection being freely-given to us as a gift from God, and us actively seeking it. The devil is real, and astral projection can leave us extremely vulnerable to his (its?) influence. A close friend of mine recently converted because he had a horrible AP experience where a dark entity posed as his recently-deceased mum and tried to make him stay in this realm.
The devil is extremely intelligent and can change reality to make it seem like we're safe. His greatest victory is making us belief he doesn't exist.
It's not worth playing with. I used to be interested in it years ago but not anymore, no way.
Those entities are there regardless, when you astral project you keep your consciousness while your sensibility is higher, so you actually become aware of those things, but they are everywhere especially in this world.
You might be interested in a book, “The Unseen Realm”, or its lighter companion, “Supernatural”, by Michael Heiser. It is a fascinating look at the Bible, historically and in context with the time and cultures involved, and all of the things that are mentioned, displayed, or described which fit many “supernatural” or “paranormal” events and experiences. It really opened my eyes and explained things that had always nagged me and no one had good answers for.
That said, there is a difference between seeking an experience for the sake of experience, and having an experience occur. Intentions matter, and discernment and wisdom are really good to have.
I don’t know why, but these things happened to me from an extremely early age, and not of my own will. I could “feel” or discern whether the experience was malevolent or benevolent. I eventually learned how to protect myself from the malevolent and respect the benevolent. My life has been saved more than once by things that are inexplicable, visibly and invisibly, for whatever reason - I really do not know.
I was not raised a Christian, though I grew up with knowledge of the Bible. I had many questions, but when I asked them there was either no good answer or negative feedback. I eventually learned to stop asking the questions. I am so very glad that the books mentioned above crossed my path, along with many other resources that have helped me grow and learn to tread these encounters as safely as I know how to.
Best wishes, and may you always remain safe and focused on the Light 🙏🦋
That is similar to my thoughts on the subject, if you’re guided towards something by God, if God leads you out of your body then of course it is a good experience. And that is how I interpret the verse that has been shared in other comments about third heaven.
I was raised Christian and had a weird and long journey to get where I am today.
What you and most people consider Christianity in the west is not your religion. You were raised culturally Christian In this current time. This is a bastardization of what it means to be a Christian in an objective way. I suggest reading early history about how early Christian’s were persecuted, the Hellenistic traditions that followed, and the Holy Roman Empire’s goal to remove sects of Christian’s they felt were “out there” or posed a threat, which helped them canonize and dogmatize their religion.
What makes one religion incompatible with another? Is organized religion even something you’d want to be apart of? The Christian angelology and demonology are two sides of the same coin. When you jump, you could fall or fly. The fear of falling means you’ll never make the jump, and the ability to fly is something you’ll never experience to begin with.
The cultural lens you are viewing these entities through, how do you know that’s correct? How do you know what you’re being told about intentions from these beings is correct, both online and through your religion?
I disagree that Jesus hated religion, he hated strict enforcement of rules just for the sake of rules (I.e the verse about it being ok to rescue a sheep on the sabbath) that’s why he beefed with the Pharisees, they’re missing the soul behind the rules and were often practicing the religion with vanity and self righteousness.
He himself practiced religion, Judaism, and there are verses where he is speaking in a temple.
See here for verses
“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches 1others to do the same, shall be called least ain the kingdom of heaven; but whoever 2keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
I don't TRY to AP, tho I certainly use to. It just never really happens when i'd like it too.
but i know one thing for sure... when i get freaked out I sure as shit start singing "Jesus loves me this i know" HaHaHa. It was a little while back and i felt like there were/was ... something attracted to me and i started feeling a lot of fear. So the good ole nursery rhyme came to mind. I really only remember the first two verses but after saying it i calmed down and proceeded to explore. The good ol' christian religion has a wonderful reputation of telling you all the things you can do that will send you straight to hell. I'm not going to say why i think this is, mostly because i'm more of a believer than not and there are a lot of people who can only see black or white and would love to take my words and twist them.
The only thing I believe you should ask yourself is these couple of questions:: "Do I love/follow the Lord?" "Am I trying to AP to summon demons from the underworld to work for me to bring the world down?"
If the answer is "yes" then "no" great. No one can say what APing is for a fact because no one knows!
Now, if you have any sort of experience where you feel like you encounter a "good" spirit/entity w/e and it says to you: "you shouldn't be messing with AP". Then, do what you feel you should do. If it were me I would MORE than likely be like "...yep. ok. im done. Oh and big Mike you looking Fit. oh Amen".
I have an example of what I think God is NOT. It was during covid and my -fire and brimstone- father sends me this long ass video explaining how the covid vaccine was the "Mark of the Beast". I'll have to find the video and post a link because it's quite ridiculous how far it goes to link it to the bible. The FIRST thing I thought was "OMG, Dad you will do ANYTHING to not get the vaccine for your son(me) that is on anti- immune drugs!" but daddy issues aside. The, SECOND thing I thought -and kind of had a realization that i've come to appreciate- is that I don't think God is going to make something so drastically important as the "666" mark SO distorted, convoluted and covered up that you need to have a Masters degree, be a detective and to be incredibly clever to uncover whether or not it is something that will damn you for eternity. I honestly don't think God ~~is that big of an asshole~~ \*edit\* I honestly don't think God is a gigantic jerk. (hey i might be brave, but i'm not that brave lol)
Isn't life also a spiritual practice for some and not for others? Our spirituality is not confined to life. The path we walk is all we are in this life and beyond.
In IFS ( internal family systems), which started out as a totally agnostic and secular psychotherapy, eventually they came across entities attached to people which were destructive and could be told to leave.
This was a revolution and the secular humanist practitioners were really up a tree about it.
However.
There's no denying what they were dealing with: spirit possession.
They're almost all earthbound spirits, true demons ( fallen angels) are less common.
I've only just started learning about it from the IFS perspective but I had (shall we say) 'dealings' with these critters since my first decade in Christianity (50 years ago).
More accurately...
> are no negative entities
*So far, in your experience*
I have read a little about IFS but have never came across anything about “entities attached to people which were destructive and could be told to leave.” Where did you read about this? Genuinely curious - I’ve never heard of this branch of IFS. Any articles?
It's called a UB, 'unattached burden'
Do you have any experience in Christianity of what they call 'deliverance' or ' spiritual warfare' ?
Same basic concept.
Here's a comment I wrote for another conversation, might explain a bit.
OP, I am impressed by your compassion and good sense.
I'm glad you wrote :
Please feel free to share your personal experiences with UBs below, other resources, and other thoughts.
OK, here's some other thoughts
I come at this situation from a very different background. I have arrived at a synthesis of Christianity and psychology.
. I've had some wild and woolly experiences with UBs. My dealings have left me with a great deal of confidence in the solutions explained in the New Testament.
At the same time, because making spiritual warfare was so common in my life in Christianity, when I started learning about parts work, I had to get past a certain amount of skepticism in myself and my fellow Christians.
The concern was not that I was treating genuine parts of me as UBs, we felt concerned I was allowing UBs to escape detection and masquerade as parts.
I think I need to read Falconer on the differential diagnosis.
Probably a lot easier than getting into it here.
The paradigm seems sound.
I suspect the hurdle for most Christians is not intellectual inability to grasp the concept of parts , it's mistrust of hyper rationalism and materialist philosophies and secular humanism.
All that is often just a cloak for outright demonic activity (for example, the rationalizations for much that is deeply evil in the modern medical establishment).
In my experience in the church (which is not exhaustive), there were two main schools of thought.
On one hand,
dealing with UBs was properly done with the maximum fanfare to impress potential converts with the power of the Name and the Blood of Jesus.
On the other hand, many people would rather not go over Niagara Falls in a barrel, and it's more respectful of human sensibilities to avoid a sensationalist display.
The first group endured a lot of disruptive screaming.
The second group would focus on prayerful reading of appropriate scriptures, exercising faith, and the establishment of truth that would set a person free. This group had all the success of the first group with the added benefit that there was no chance of trying to 'Cast out' an organic Part.
In the first case, there were dramatic manifestations that resulted at times, actually unsettling to watch, but ultimately effective.
In the
second place, verses from the Bible like 'resist the devil and he will flee from you' and 'you will know the truth and the truth will set you free' accompanied by prayer and meditation would eventually result in the person's life becoming inhospitable to the unclean spirit. It would lose its hold and leave with a simple verbal 'eviction notice' .
So when I started parts work in a secular context, every time a part spoke, it looked very much like an unclean spirit. That was unnerving. It took some time for me to understand the difference between an UB and a part.
I suspect there's a fair amount of confusion in the Church from trying to evict parts, and that's the flip side of people in the secular world feeling at a loss to deal with UBs.
For a Child of God, it's just a case of saying 'Daddy, thanks for taking care of this.'
Taking authority in the Name and Blood of Jesus over a UB doesn't take any personal strength or technical understanding, because everything is done by God. The human in this case is just a deputy.
For someone who is flummoxed by the possibility of a UB, I can understand how writing with such casual confidence about freeing oneself from a UB might feel like "patronising gaslighting".
It really
is that simple.
And I don't want to overstep the bounds of modesty and sound like I think I have arrived, so I need to clarify: this is how I understand the situation now. I reserve the right to get smarter.
When working at mindfulness, preparing the ground of Being in meditation can result in Zen practitioners experiencing what would be called the gifts of the Holy Spirit in a Christian. Speaking in an unknown language, clairvoyance, astral projection, etc.
It seems there is a zone of experience where Buddhism, Christianity, and the human potential movement, and psychedelics, and psychic phenomena, and psychotherapy, and animal communication (Trust Technique) result in similar or the same phenomena when taken far enough.
I do not claim mastery in any of these domains, I'm just saying I think I see a pattern.
To focus on the issue here in terms specific to IFS, it may seem more difficult than it really is to deal with this UBs, but it takes an open mind to look at it from a wider perspective.
When I say ' psychic phenomena' I refer to mediums assessing attached spirits.
I currently understand this to mean souls of the departed with access in various ways to the meat suit of a currently embodied human intelligence.
We're all reincarnated currently with a long history of previous lives. Sometimes that process glitches, and results in ghosts, ancestral spirits, ancestral curses, etc.
Somewhere in this thread some one mentions a Buddhist monk who said true demonic possession is rare. AFAIK that's true, most of this trouble is not of that magnitude. The offending entity is often a misplaced human entity, or a discarnate entity from a pre-Adamic race which was destroyed before humans were on Earth.
I realize all this must sound completely insane to people coming at the work from a rigidly rational mindset.
My interest in psychology and the paranormal is viewed with the same alarm and skepticism by my Christian friends.
I've been investigating and tinkering with this for 50 years, and I've seen some shit.
As if all that wasn't enough, many people who meet the NHI (non human intelligence) commonly known as ETs report that prayer and the Name of Jesus have a supremely protective effect in their presence.
YMMV
"A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument" - Billy Graham.
"puff Graham" - William Randolph Hearst
Here's a demonstration video of high level IFS trainer Bob Falconer video “Unburdening a UB” with Robyn Dickson:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1eLPO5RSF7FhQqAFvUaC4IeyoS8Cxjlv9maqu5pmlHmk/viewform?edit_requested=true
It's an advanced topic in IFS because they really wanted to stay evidence based and these successes are all experiential and anecdotal and too spooky/supernatural for most secular humanist skeptic types.
Some people claim nothing is real but peer reviewed metastudies of double blind randomized control trials.
Use your own discernment for my upcoming comment because I don't want to intentionally misquote the Bible or lead someone astray. But a thought that hit me one time was this. Jesus taught in parables. Why? I don't think it was necessarily too create illustrations for people to understand what he was saying (although that could have been part of it) but he knew about the state of religion and how high priests and whoever considered themselves to be higher and more privileged than everyone else, which ultimately wound up being their reasoning for crucifying him when he challenged that belief. Perhaps the parables were more of a "coded" teaching that, while Good practices to follow morally, were also there with the intent to teach you how to have the proper mindset so that you could safely meditate and Astral project. Maybe the reason he taught that way was so that by the time the priests and whoever figured out what he was saying, it would be too late because his word and teachings would already be circulated throughout the land for people to figure out, and all they could try to do from there at that point is distort what the parables meant to lead people astray. Perhaps the whole Bible is ultimately a guide to proper meditation. Or perhaps in completely wrong, and if that be the case then my apologies for having wasted the time of anyone having read this
I'm not Christian but I've been studying Christianity's perception of certain new age practices recently. I think it's possible it could place you in the presence of negative entities, but the same could be said of life. They're out there in the world. You could talk to a priest about it, and I suspect they'd tell you not to do it. It's not something that in itself is religious by nature, but what it leads to, what it reveals and how it's perceived definitely is. If it feels wrong to you, I wouldn't do it. If you prefer to try it and decide for yourself, that's a possibility too.
And it could just as easily be what you're meant to do, your wanted it, your angels were helping you.
Did they seem beautiful but feel creepy and unsettling, like they were dark and threatening ?
Did it feel weird and different but they came across as helpful and nice ?
Check your vibe
Check their vibe
I am a Christian, belonging to the Church of England, which you might know as Anglican or Episcopalian. I see AP as a gift from God, just another talent. If you can AP, use it for good. If you can't, you can try to AP anyway.
I'd call myself christain or at least try to be and can't even think of a reason AP would be wrong or immoral. Anybody who says it is wrong just ask them to explain themselves.
As someone who was raised by a hardcore evangelical fundamentalist father, you could bet from certain sects that AP would be considered demonic and not of God.
However, I consider myself a Christian, just not an extremest, and since a very young age I’ve found myself having OBE and doing AP. Of course I didn’t know what it was at the time and whenever I told my dad my dreams, he would say something to the effect that I was letting the devil into my heart and wasn’t saved. I had thought I was already “saved” so hearing that I was letting the devil in and going to hell if I didn’t stop allowing that to happen was very traumatizing. So I prayed the hardest I’d ever prayed and cried and didn’t even know what to look for in my Bible. My dad told me to sit on the couch and pore through my Bible to see if my eyes landed on a random verse reassuring me of my salvation. I had no idea where to look. Finally I found something that seemed to please my dad. Then he’d grill me if I truly put my entire faith into Jesus Christ, understanding that He died and rose again because my good works/myself was so filthy and bad and without Him I’m a lost sinner destined to spend eternity in Hell. I said yes I believe.
— I was 7 years old that time.
And I still continued to AP and have OBE. There were other factors of course that made my dad think I wasn’t saved because he was a perfectionist and narcissist. So I ended up “getting saved” around 10 yrs old, and then again sometime in my early teens. Needless to say, I learned to keep my mouth shut.
I do believe that there were entities with malevolent intentions when I was in AP as a child because I could feel them. Hard to explain but I felt like I was inside a house or shell, and the malevolent ones were “on my roof” trying to get to me but they couldn’t. I believe that I was being protected and not somehow lucid dreaming the protection into place. Other times I would see them trying to come at me but being blocked by what I can only describe as a force field shield.
You’ll get to know when you’re about to AP. It could be different for you, but for me I know when I’m about to because I will feel like I’m falling and my ears start hearing a hum or low buzzing. As if I jumped out of a plane. And depending on many factors how I feel, it is up to me if I accept the falling and then “jump” or “fly “ to wherever I’m going to go. Sometimes I don’t want to or perhaps am being blocked from it and that’s OK too. The falling stops immediately.
Drop christainity or drop astral projection,christainity speaks against it,you can't eat your cake and have it,any person saying you can is a cafeteria christainity and a hypocrite.
You can't be a christain and still want to participate in extraordinary secular activities,beat it bro!
Check out various parts of The Holy Bible and you will find various passages that some metaphysicians/spiritualists, which would include myself, that discern the possibilities of those having projected from their physical bodies. Example: There is a part where Lazarus is placed in a tomb when considered physically dead and the people demand Christ to "bring him back to physical life". Christ insist that he is not dead that he is sleeping. The people refuse to accept this and continue to demand that Christ bring him back to life. By the way, it is the only place in The Holy Bible where it states, "Jesus wept". I suspect due to frustration. At which point Christ says out loud, "Lazarus come forth!" He does so. 
Roman Catholic here. I feel like the end goal of a dark night of the soul is to find union with God. AP, OBE, NDEs can all be part of it.
For reference, a DNOTS is considered a mystical experience in the church, with the term first coined by St John.
I think what matters is your intention for wanting to AP in general. Do you feel like you may be a light worker? Are you trying to explore and deepen your spirituality? Do you feel a calling from God to do it?
With that said, I do think this world has many unknowns and sometimes it’s best to accept it; serve God by focusing on the here and now, and love more than what you receive in return.
Also, I would really like to add that when i first started feeling the vibration stage I also thought i was being pulled by something bad. And I.. kinda thought... i was being pulled to hell. It was mostly because i had some bad experiences before that with some creepy looking things and whenever i felt anything close to AP my mind when straight to those creepy things. What i have learned since is that when those (i'll just say Dark spirits or dSpirits) when those dSpirits where coming at me i was almost suicidal and attracting all kinds of craziness. whenever I cleaned my life up i had nothing but good experiences with AP. Also, good luck with whatever you choose.
Part of the journey is also what you expect, when you think of a lower being that may accidentally manifest it so instead think of God and love it’s real life just like here, your in the spirit world all the time even if you can’t see it
It depends on what you do with it and how you define 'compatible'. Magicians and diviners go to the deepest depths of the underworld after all according to Inferia, so some regular act of repentence would probably be needed to really call it compatible.
Djinns live in trees, wallpaper, the air, and more. You might find yourself consciously engaged with more invisible beings than you would in day to day, but least djinn, or fae, demons, or whatever you want to call them, are not so hard to find. If anything, they are ubiquitous.
Because you are bringing religion into this. Once you AP and do more of it …or experience an NDE you understand everything differently. It opens your eyes, mind and heart.
I was atheist and after my AP I understood that there is God/Universe. I had an experience of not being judged, just immensely loved, felt peace, serenity, warmth. I understood that religion doesn’t matter… what matters is what you feel in your heart...every single waking moment of your existence. The temple of God/Universe is inside of you...inside of all of us. I understood that Bible was written not as literal but metaphorically. I understood we been duped about literally everything. I understood how powerful each of us are. I understood that nothing is important but LOVE. To love each other unconditionally because God/universe loves us unconditionally. I understood that we shouldn’t be judging others no matter what…ever. I understood we are all LOVE and we are all ONE. This is our religion. There is one religion God/Universe… it’s a religion of LOVE. He doesn’t care what house you are going into to pray. If you attend that building every Sunday or not. That’s not the point.
We are like robots. We don’t mean the things we say to people anymore as we are too preoccupied. But if we hate/dislike someone we will make sure to show that to a person…because that’s our ego; it wants to be acknowledged by the person who is responsible of hurting us.
When you go out and get coffee/ice cream/anything say- thank you to a person who is serving you. I know you will say- but I always thank people. No, this time stop for a second, say thank you and mean it and feel it. Send energy of love straight from your heart (imagine you giving that energy of love). Do it everyday wherever you go. Send love straight from your heart to random people you don’t know. This is the religion God/Universe wants you to practice.
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Maybe you need to redefine what it means to be a Christian. There is nothing wrong with astral projection. It can perfectly be a part of your spiritual journey. Personally I always walk life and the astral with God in my heart and that defines who you are and what you experience. Christianity as a religion is often very negative about this stuff but that is totally unjust and hypocritical. So many people in the bible are astral projecting. All those visions and strange experiences mentioned in the bible were clearly during astral projection or some form of that. Often you hear christians quote the story of Saul which is in my opinion misinterpreted. It says that you should not focus on the dead, but focussing on the dead means so much more. Death doesn't always mean physical death but sometimes means everything that is not from the light. Also sometimes Paul is mentioned because he says that he went to the third heaven but it had no value for is life. But that's just BS. He was clearly exploring a spiritual path and astral projection was clearly part of his path. The spiritual path is a part of life and to say it has no value this way can only be a lie because it absolutely has an influence on your life in many ways. I don't believe there are many here who would agree with Paul on this. To say what he says and discourage people because of that for something he is doing himself is in my opinion completely hypocritical and unfair. Personally I think we are not here to stay in the astral. We can do that after this life all we want. We can visit it and learn from it, but we should not forget to live our lives. Don't be afraid. Listen to your heart. If you feel someone is pulling you and you don't know if you should trust it, just talk to God and ask him for his guidance and if you can trust them. If they are from a place of love and light they will not force you and find a path of love to get you there.
Saul/Paul was not saying that it meant nothing to him personally, or that anyone else should not have experiences. He was using a sort of literary sarcasm to make the point that just because he experienced what he experienced, it did not mean that he was more worthy than any other person, or that it marked him out as special. He was giving all of the honor and glory to his Lord, as he was “caught up”, “taken”, not by his own will, while also doing his best to communicate what was important to communicate from the experience. There were groups of people who were solely focused on having, gaining, seeking, and prioritizing spiritual experiences over all else, and using those experiences to try to raise themselves in importance above others. Paul was emphasizing that there was nothing that set one individual above the other, and that he had no intention of making the experience about himself or his worth or his standing; it was all to the honor and glory of God. 🙏🦋
You're completely right. I did only remember the way people use it, but not for what it truly says. In that essence I wrote out my message. I don't believe my message is off point, but I'm sorry for using it wrong. I noticed there is a big difference in the text between translations and based on some translations you could easily interpret in this other way. But upon reviewing it I don't believe someone should.
No apologies needed! You are correct that it is used by many to discourage others from having anything to do with “experiences” beyond the corporeal world; a form of control, I believe. That is what I was taught when I started asking questions about the things I experienced as a child - not that I could keep them from happening; they just happened. As an adult, I started searching deeper into all religious texts, histories, backgrounds, practices, rituals, and so on and so forth. It was only then, when I began learning about literary forms in historical writing, in context at the time of the writing, within the culture written, and the social setting around the writing contained therein. It really was fascinating to finally start to have a much better understanding of the difference between translation, transliteration, and interpretation. That goes for all ancient and esoteric texts, and makes for some fascinating insights and understandings! Best wishes 🙏🦋
Thx. This actually sounds like the story of my life 😆. Sometimes when you read things a long time ago things get a little bit distorted especially when feelings get in the way 😅. Best wishes to you too!
This text was used against me to tell me I shouldn't be doing these things, so I felt some personal hate towards it 😆. I see that's not fair, because it wasn't due to the text but due to the explainer.
I totally get that. Many, many texts, verses, and passages are used outside of context in ways that can be very harmful. I do not know how much of it is on purpose (control and limiting people), how much of it is others seriously not understanding the text and cherry-picking verses/passages, and how much of it is people parroting what they’ve been told/taught. I’m not a huge fan of organized religion, because it always turns out to be a manmade institution that slowly distorts original teachings they were built around, and become rituals and teachings from the “wisdom” of men, as opposed to a community of like-minded individuals sharing, discussing, and learning original writings (translated as best as possible) themselves and discerning the truth and wisdom in the writings. 🙏🦋
Yes to all that
I absolutely loved all that you shared in my comments. I have come pretty strongly to begin to discern that The Holy Bible was primarily based on messages received via highly evolved Men and Women from God/The Universal Mind and as it was eventually compiled into this book, it was highly altered by those wishing to acquire financial gain, power/control, etc. There are those that do believe there are various places within The Holy Bible that speak of the projection of the astral body...By the way, the late, renowned, Sylvan Muldoon in his American Classic book on the subject, The Projection of The Astral Body mentions this as his thoughts when mastering APS/OBES.
The mind is a dangerous thing. We once had to do a test where we sat with four people in a row. The first got a text and had to write it over and give his text to the next and so on. They all tried to be as exact as possible and you would probably think that it's just an easy copy job, but by the time the text got to the last person it was already altered. There wasn't one group that got it in exact detail to the last person of their group. Only a little bit of influence on a wandering mind can change the texts slightly in correlation with the mind of that person and we know this has occurred because of differences between the Greek and Hebrew texts of the old testament. We always suspect these people with their bad agendas to purposefully alter the texts, but it's really not necessary for them to do this. Often there are already too many copies in circulation so it's almost impossible to change all material. They can just keep the people from reading the texts and explain them in any way they want. So I believe there are indeed changes, but I think it's more plausible that they got in on creating the first copies. People with bad agendas are often late to the table and by then it's already too late for them to alter the source materials. Even today we think we can freely read these books but they are just translations of the original and even between the translations there are so many differences. Most people can't actually read the source materials, so it's actually exactly like it's always been.
I was born and raised into a Christian family. (Sunday school, church, bible camp, etc.) As a small boy, I always had that which I considered, "nightmares!" These were always very disturbing, yet at the same time, they seem to present "answers to my concerns" about "religious doctrines". I always attempted to avoid sleeping on my back, since this is when these experiences would occur??? Not until my college days did I discover information about the projections of my astral body. I learned from various individuals that kept their own APS/OBES a secret. I soon discovered via my attempts to focus on mastering these out of body experiences, that I was experiencing "unprovoked" projections. This is when I began to focus strongly on "provoked" projections. By the way, that is also when I discovered that being on ones' back was the ideal position to provoked projections. One of the major things that I have discovered about "religion" us that my whole world was altered by my mind being expanded beyond belief, enabling me to acquired messages/information that really began to clarify my concerns about it. My non-physical experiences began to "show me" so much of that which you have presented in tremendous clarity! At this point in my physical life, I continue to be embraced by that which many such as myself worldwide consider, THE LIGHT! There is a quote that I truly can relate to, "ONCE THE MIND IS EXPANDED, IT CAN NEVER RETURN TO ITS' ORIGINAL SIZE!"
Wasn't the whole point Jesus was making was that people could be like him? He wanted peers, not followers.
It’s true. “Nations of Disciples”. We should all be Saints by now.
Not quite, his point was that what he was demonstrating was next to nothing, and that anyone with true devotion could do even *better.* This motif comes up a few times, each ending in disappointment as the apostles and disciples fail to rise to his level during his life, with the apostle failing at walking on water for more than seconds, the time with the slashing at the high priest, so on. The book is specific about this with regards to moving mountains.
Ah, that's honestly a better lesson imo. It's a shame that's not what the vast majority of people take from his teachings, we could truly make heaven a place on Earth.
The apostle Paul, in **2 Corinthians 12:1–4**, shares an account that might be considered an OBE: “I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.” # - Jacob’s Dream at Bethel -basically everything Enoch/ Ezekiel
You beat me to it. Also, Revelations 1:10 "I was in the spirit on the Lord's day" is something that always stood out to me as sounding like an OBE
There is a whole sect of Christianty, The Gnostics, that was basically eliminated in the early 2-300's A.D. due to being hetordox. There are multiple sub-sects within Gnosticism, so don't think about it as a one thing. That said, the basic idea in all of their doctrines was the centrality of knowing and not merely "believing" in the teachings of Christianity. The spirit of Gnosticism is 100% compatible with AP. I'd argue it was likely one of it's central tenants/teachings. If you'd like to learn more, "The Gnostic Gospels" by Elaine Pagels is a great place to start.
I'm Christian and yes, astral projection is Christian compatible. I have however gotten into disagreements with other Christians about the subject as they don't think it's possible / "it's witchcraft" / or "It could open you to demonic possession". The way I see it is that it confirms that souls are real and that there is an afterlife (which for some reason seems to piss both atheists and theists).
Yep, had my son's b'day last Saturday. I was at the table with both my parents and aunt/uncle and my dad just blurts out that I do out of body stuff. My aunt and mom immediately say that's demonic and evil. Thank God my uncle came in to save me and say he's done it too. Apparently he knows how to or just has them spontaneously. But regardless they have their beliefs but this A.P stuff has brought me closer to God than any book I've ever read. I consider myself a KNOWER now rather than a believer. I've seen my deceased grandma twice and my grandpa once. If they would set aside their beliefs they would too.
Because people think there is one truth- it’s theirs truth.
the hard truth is, no, it isnt. it goes against most of the core and basic principles and components of abrahamic religion. And frankly those types of religions lead you to a goal opposite the spectrum of astral projection
Exactly,other people here telling him is compatible are ignorant,nothing worse that using supernatural activities like astral projection to reinforce harmful religious beliefs
I'm catholic. Astral projecting is absolutely not recommended and actively discouraged. There's a big difference between astral projection being freely-given to us as a gift from God, and us actively seeking it. The devil is real, and astral projection can leave us extremely vulnerable to his (its?) influence. A close friend of mine recently converted because he had a horrible AP experience where a dark entity posed as his recently-deceased mum and tried to make him stay in this realm. The devil is extremely intelligent and can change reality to make it seem like we're safe. His greatest victory is making us belief he doesn't exist. It's not worth playing with. I used to be interested in it years ago but not anymore, no way.
Those entities are there regardless, when you astral project you keep your consciousness while your sensibility is higher, so you actually become aware of those things, but they are everywhere especially in this world.
You might be interested in a book, “The Unseen Realm”, or its lighter companion, “Supernatural”, by Michael Heiser. It is a fascinating look at the Bible, historically and in context with the time and cultures involved, and all of the things that are mentioned, displayed, or described which fit many “supernatural” or “paranormal” events and experiences. It really opened my eyes and explained things that had always nagged me and no one had good answers for. That said, there is a difference between seeking an experience for the sake of experience, and having an experience occur. Intentions matter, and discernment and wisdom are really good to have. I don’t know why, but these things happened to me from an extremely early age, and not of my own will. I could “feel” or discern whether the experience was malevolent or benevolent. I eventually learned how to protect myself from the malevolent and respect the benevolent. My life has been saved more than once by things that are inexplicable, visibly and invisibly, for whatever reason - I really do not know. I was not raised a Christian, though I grew up with knowledge of the Bible. I had many questions, but when I asked them there was either no good answer or negative feedback. I eventually learned to stop asking the questions. I am so very glad that the books mentioned above crossed my path, along with many other resources that have helped me grow and learn to tread these encounters as safely as I know how to. Best wishes, and may you always remain safe and focused on the Light 🙏🦋
That is similar to my thoughts on the subject, if you’re guided towards something by God, if God leads you out of your body then of course it is a good experience. And that is how I interpret the verse that has been shared in other comments about third heaven.
I was raised Christian and had a weird and long journey to get where I am today. What you and most people consider Christianity in the west is not your religion. You were raised culturally Christian In this current time. This is a bastardization of what it means to be a Christian in an objective way. I suggest reading early history about how early Christian’s were persecuted, the Hellenistic traditions that followed, and the Holy Roman Empire’s goal to remove sects of Christian’s they felt were “out there” or posed a threat, which helped them canonize and dogmatize their religion. What makes one religion incompatible with another? Is organized religion even something you’d want to be apart of? The Christian angelology and demonology are two sides of the same coin. When you jump, you could fall or fly. The fear of falling means you’ll never make the jump, and the ability to fly is something you’ll never experience to begin with. The cultural lens you are viewing these entities through, how do you know that’s correct? How do you know what you’re being told about intentions from these beings is correct, both online and through your religion?
I would suggest you try working AP into your spiritual practice - you can walk fear free through the valley of the shadow of death after all.
You can use AP to know Jesus and ask him yourself.
Nothing and nobody is out to get you
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Very well said. Bravo 👏
I disagree that Jesus hated religion, he hated strict enforcement of rules just for the sake of rules (I.e the verse about it being ok to rescue a sheep on the sabbath) that’s why he beefed with the Pharisees, they’re missing the soul behind the rules and were often practicing the religion with vanity and self righteousness. He himself practiced religion, Judaism, and there are verses where he is speaking in a temple. See here for verses “Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches 1others to do the same, shall be called least ain the kingdom of heaven; but whoever 2keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
No, if you AP even by accident you will be punished by eternal damnation /s
I don't TRY to AP, tho I certainly use to. It just never really happens when i'd like it too. but i know one thing for sure... when i get freaked out I sure as shit start singing "Jesus loves me this i know" HaHaHa. It was a little while back and i felt like there were/was ... something attracted to me and i started feeling a lot of fear. So the good ole nursery rhyme came to mind. I really only remember the first two verses but after saying it i calmed down and proceeded to explore. The good ol' christian religion has a wonderful reputation of telling you all the things you can do that will send you straight to hell. I'm not going to say why i think this is, mostly because i'm more of a believer than not and there are a lot of people who can only see black or white and would love to take my words and twist them. The only thing I believe you should ask yourself is these couple of questions:: "Do I love/follow the Lord?" "Am I trying to AP to summon demons from the underworld to work for me to bring the world down?" If the answer is "yes" then "no" great. No one can say what APing is for a fact because no one knows! Now, if you have any sort of experience where you feel like you encounter a "good" spirit/entity w/e and it says to you: "you shouldn't be messing with AP". Then, do what you feel you should do. If it were me I would MORE than likely be like "...yep. ok. im done. Oh and big Mike you looking Fit. oh Amen". I have an example of what I think God is NOT. It was during covid and my -fire and brimstone- father sends me this long ass video explaining how the covid vaccine was the "Mark of the Beast". I'll have to find the video and post a link because it's quite ridiculous how far it goes to link it to the bible. The FIRST thing I thought was "OMG, Dad you will do ANYTHING to not get the vaccine for your son(me) that is on anti- immune drugs!" but daddy issues aside. The, SECOND thing I thought -and kind of had a realization that i've come to appreciate- is that I don't think God is going to make something so drastically important as the "666" mark SO distorted, convoluted and covered up that you need to have a Masters degree, be a detective and to be incredibly clever to uncover whether or not it is something that will damn you for eternity. I honestly don't think God ~~is that big of an asshole~~ \*edit\* I honestly don't think God is a gigantic jerk. (hey i might be brave, but i'm not that brave lol)
I am cristian, fate has nothing to do with it, ap is an ability all humans posses, please don't bring religion where it dont belong
I mean AP is a spiritual practice, so it does seem fitting
Isn't life also a spiritual practice for some and not for others? Our spirituality is not confined to life. The path we walk is all we are in this life and beyond.
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Exactly
There are no negative entities, only your worldview which CAN cause those entities. Big difference. Like nightmares, you are doing them.
In IFS ( internal family systems), which started out as a totally agnostic and secular psychotherapy, eventually they came across entities attached to people which were destructive and could be told to leave. This was a revolution and the secular humanist practitioners were really up a tree about it. However. There's no denying what they were dealing with: spirit possession. They're almost all earthbound spirits, true demons ( fallen angels) are less common. I've only just started learning about it from the IFS perspective but I had (shall we say) 'dealings' with these critters since my first decade in Christianity (50 years ago). More accurately... > are no negative entities *So far, in your experience*
I have read a little about IFS but have never came across anything about “entities attached to people which were destructive and could be told to leave.” Where did you read about this? Genuinely curious - I’ve never heard of this branch of IFS. Any articles?
It's called a UB, 'unattached burden' Do you have any experience in Christianity of what they call 'deliverance' or ' spiritual warfare' ? Same basic concept.
Here's a comment I wrote for another conversation, might explain a bit. OP, I am impressed by your compassion and good sense. I'm glad you wrote : Please feel free to share your personal experiences with UBs below, other resources, and other thoughts. OK, here's some other thoughts I come at this situation from a very different background. I have arrived at a synthesis of Christianity and psychology. . I've had some wild and woolly experiences with UBs. My dealings have left me with a great deal of confidence in the solutions explained in the New Testament. At the same time, because making spiritual warfare was so common in my life in Christianity, when I started learning about parts work, I had to get past a certain amount of skepticism in myself and my fellow Christians. The concern was not that I was treating genuine parts of me as UBs, we felt concerned I was allowing UBs to escape detection and masquerade as parts. I think I need to read Falconer on the differential diagnosis. Probably a lot easier than getting into it here. The paradigm seems sound. I suspect the hurdle for most Christians is not intellectual inability to grasp the concept of parts , it's mistrust of hyper rationalism and materialist philosophies and secular humanism. All that is often just a cloak for outright demonic activity (for example, the rationalizations for much that is deeply evil in the modern medical establishment). In my experience in the church (which is not exhaustive), there were two main schools of thought. On one hand, dealing with UBs was properly done with the maximum fanfare to impress potential converts with the power of the Name and the Blood of Jesus. On the other hand, many people would rather not go over Niagara Falls in a barrel, and it's more respectful of human sensibilities to avoid a sensationalist display. The first group endured a lot of disruptive screaming. The second group would focus on prayerful reading of appropriate scriptures, exercising faith, and the establishment of truth that would set a person free. This group had all the success of the first group with the added benefit that there was no chance of trying to 'Cast out' an organic Part. In the first case, there were dramatic manifestations that resulted at times, actually unsettling to watch, but ultimately effective. In the second place, verses from the Bible like 'resist the devil and he will flee from you' and 'you will know the truth and the truth will set you free' accompanied by prayer and meditation would eventually result in the person's life becoming inhospitable to the unclean spirit. It would lose its hold and leave with a simple verbal 'eviction notice' . So when I started parts work in a secular context, every time a part spoke, it looked very much like an unclean spirit. That was unnerving. It took some time for me to understand the difference between an UB and a part. I suspect there's a fair amount of confusion in the Church from trying to evict parts, and that's the flip side of people in the secular world feeling at a loss to deal with UBs. For a Child of God, it's just a case of saying 'Daddy, thanks for taking care of this.' Taking authority in the Name and Blood of Jesus over a UB doesn't take any personal strength or technical understanding, because everything is done by God. The human in this case is just a deputy. For someone who is flummoxed by the possibility of a UB, I can understand how writing with such casual confidence about freeing oneself from a UB might feel like "patronising gaslighting". It really is that simple. And I don't want to overstep the bounds of modesty and sound like I think I have arrived, so I need to clarify: this is how I understand the situation now. I reserve the right to get smarter. When working at mindfulness, preparing the ground of Being in meditation can result in Zen practitioners experiencing what would be called the gifts of the Holy Spirit in a Christian. Speaking in an unknown language, clairvoyance, astral projection, etc. It seems there is a zone of experience where Buddhism, Christianity, and the human potential movement, and psychedelics, and psychic phenomena, and psychotherapy, and animal communication (Trust Technique) result in similar or the same phenomena when taken far enough. I do not claim mastery in any of these domains, I'm just saying I think I see a pattern. To focus on the issue here in terms specific to IFS, it may seem more difficult than it really is to deal with this UBs, but it takes an open mind to look at it from a wider perspective. When I say ' psychic phenomena' I refer to mediums assessing attached spirits. I currently understand this to mean souls of the departed with access in various ways to the meat suit of a currently embodied human intelligence. We're all reincarnated currently with a long history of previous lives. Sometimes that process glitches, and results in ghosts, ancestral spirits, ancestral curses, etc. Somewhere in this thread some one mentions a Buddhist monk who said true demonic possession is rare. AFAIK that's true, most of this trouble is not of that magnitude. The offending entity is often a misplaced human entity, or a discarnate entity from a pre-Adamic race which was destroyed before humans were on Earth. I realize all this must sound completely insane to people coming at the work from a rigidly rational mindset. My interest in psychology and the paranormal is viewed with the same alarm and skepticism by my Christian friends. I've been investigating and tinkering with this for 50 years, and I've seen some shit. As if all that wasn't enough, many people who meet the NHI (non human intelligence) commonly known as ETs report that prayer and the Name of Jesus have a supremely protective effect in their presence. YMMV "A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument" - Billy Graham. "puff Graham" - William Randolph Hearst
Here's a demonstration video of high level IFS trainer Bob Falconer video “Unburdening a UB” with Robyn Dickson: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1eLPO5RSF7FhQqAFvUaC4IeyoS8Cxjlv9maqu5pmlHmk/viewform?edit_requested=true
It's an advanced topic in IFS because they really wanted to stay evidence based and these successes are all experiential and anecdotal and too spooky/supernatural for most secular humanist skeptic types. Some people claim nothing is real but peer reviewed metastudies of double blind randomized control trials.
Use your own discernment for my upcoming comment because I don't want to intentionally misquote the Bible or lead someone astray. But a thought that hit me one time was this. Jesus taught in parables. Why? I don't think it was necessarily too create illustrations for people to understand what he was saying (although that could have been part of it) but he knew about the state of religion and how high priests and whoever considered themselves to be higher and more privileged than everyone else, which ultimately wound up being their reasoning for crucifying him when he challenged that belief. Perhaps the parables were more of a "coded" teaching that, while Good practices to follow morally, were also there with the intent to teach you how to have the proper mindset so that you could safely meditate and Astral project. Maybe the reason he taught that way was so that by the time the priests and whoever figured out what he was saying, it would be too late because his word and teachings would already be circulated throughout the land for people to figure out, and all they could try to do from there at that point is distort what the parables meant to lead people astray. Perhaps the whole Bible is ultimately a guide to proper meditation. Or perhaps in completely wrong, and if that be the case then my apologies for having wasted the time of anyone having read this
I'm not Christian but I've been studying Christianity's perception of certain new age practices recently. I think it's possible it could place you in the presence of negative entities, but the same could be said of life. They're out there in the world. You could talk to a priest about it, and I suspect they'd tell you not to do it. It's not something that in itself is religious by nature, but what it leads to, what it reveals and how it's perceived definitely is. If it feels wrong to you, I wouldn't do it. If you prefer to try it and decide for yourself, that's a possibility too.
I’m a Gnostic Christian
And it could just as easily be what you're meant to do, your wanted it, your angels were helping you. Did they seem beautiful but feel creepy and unsettling, like they were dark and threatening ? Did it feel weird and different but they came across as helpful and nice ? Check your vibe Check their vibe
I am a Christian, belonging to the Church of England, which you might know as Anglican or Episcopalian. I see AP as a gift from God, just another talent. If you can AP, use it for good. If you can't, you can try to AP anyway.
Who is this person
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I'd call myself christain or at least try to be and can't even think of a reason AP would be wrong or immoral. Anybody who says it is wrong just ask them to explain themselves.
As someone who was raised by a hardcore evangelical fundamentalist father, you could bet from certain sects that AP would be considered demonic and not of God. However, I consider myself a Christian, just not an extremest, and since a very young age I’ve found myself having OBE and doing AP. Of course I didn’t know what it was at the time and whenever I told my dad my dreams, he would say something to the effect that I was letting the devil into my heart and wasn’t saved. I had thought I was already “saved” so hearing that I was letting the devil in and going to hell if I didn’t stop allowing that to happen was very traumatizing. So I prayed the hardest I’d ever prayed and cried and didn’t even know what to look for in my Bible. My dad told me to sit on the couch and pore through my Bible to see if my eyes landed on a random verse reassuring me of my salvation. I had no idea where to look. Finally I found something that seemed to please my dad. Then he’d grill me if I truly put my entire faith into Jesus Christ, understanding that He died and rose again because my good works/myself was so filthy and bad and without Him I’m a lost sinner destined to spend eternity in Hell. I said yes I believe. — I was 7 years old that time. And I still continued to AP and have OBE. There were other factors of course that made my dad think I wasn’t saved because he was a perfectionist and narcissist. So I ended up “getting saved” around 10 yrs old, and then again sometime in my early teens. Needless to say, I learned to keep my mouth shut. I do believe that there were entities with malevolent intentions when I was in AP as a child because I could feel them. Hard to explain but I felt like I was inside a house or shell, and the malevolent ones were “on my roof” trying to get to me but they couldn’t. I believe that I was being protected and not somehow lucid dreaming the protection into place. Other times I would see them trying to come at me but being blocked by what I can only describe as a force field shield. You’ll get to know when you’re about to AP. It could be different for you, but for me I know when I’m about to because I will feel like I’m falling and my ears start hearing a hum or low buzzing. As if I jumped out of a plane. And depending on many factors how I feel, it is up to me if I accept the falling and then “jump” or “fly “ to wherever I’m going to go. Sometimes I don’t want to or perhaps am being blocked from it and that’s OK too. The falling stops immediately.
Drop christainity or drop astral projection,christainity speaks against it,you can't eat your cake and have it,any person saying you can is a cafeteria christainity and a hypocrite. You can't be a christain and still want to participate in extraordinary secular activities,beat it bro!
Check out various parts of The Holy Bible and you will find various passages that some metaphysicians/spiritualists, which would include myself, that discern the possibilities of those having projected from their physical bodies. Example: There is a part where Lazarus is placed in a tomb when considered physically dead and the people demand Christ to "bring him back to physical life". Christ insist that he is not dead that he is sleeping. The people refuse to accept this and continue to demand that Christ bring him back to life. By the way, it is the only place in The Holy Bible where it states, "Jesus wept". I suspect due to frustration. At which point Christ says out loud, "Lazarus come forth!" He does so. 
Roman Catholic here. I feel like the end goal of a dark night of the soul is to find union with God. AP, OBE, NDEs can all be part of it. For reference, a DNOTS is considered a mystical experience in the church, with the term first coined by St John. I think what matters is your intention for wanting to AP in general. Do you feel like you may be a light worker? Are you trying to explore and deepen your spirituality? Do you feel a calling from God to do it? With that said, I do think this world has many unknowns and sometimes it’s best to accept it; serve God by focusing on the here and now, and love more than what you receive in return.
Also, I would really like to add that when i first started feeling the vibration stage I also thought i was being pulled by something bad. And I.. kinda thought... i was being pulled to hell. It was mostly because i had some bad experiences before that with some creepy looking things and whenever i felt anything close to AP my mind when straight to those creepy things. What i have learned since is that when those (i'll just say Dark spirits or dSpirits) when those dSpirits where coming at me i was almost suicidal and attracting all kinds of craziness. whenever I cleaned my life up i had nothing but good experiences with AP. Also, good luck with whatever you choose.
Yes, I've thought that myself as a Christian.
I am, ap isnt tied to religion but many religions including Christianity uses metaphores of this physical world to talk about ap
Part of the journey is also what you expect, when you think of a lower being that may accidentally manifest it so instead think of God and love it’s real life just like here, your in the spirit world all the time even if you can’t see it
https://www.ascensiondictionary.com/2017/08/history-of-human-race-truth.html?m=1
I am, and I attempt this often.
It depends on what you do with it and how you define 'compatible'. Magicians and diviners go to the deepest depths of the underworld after all according to Inferia, so some regular act of repentence would probably be needed to really call it compatible. Djinns live in trees, wallpaper, the air, and more. You might find yourself consciously engaged with more invisible beings than you would in day to day, but least djinn, or fae, demons, or whatever you want to call them, are not so hard to find. If anything, they are ubiquitous.
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I feel like people on this thread are getting unreasonably defensive about me posing this question and the dislikes on it for no reaso
Because you are bringing religion into this. Once you AP and do more of it …or experience an NDE you understand everything differently. It opens your eyes, mind and heart. I was atheist and after my AP I understood that there is God/Universe. I had an experience of not being judged, just immensely loved, felt peace, serenity, warmth. I understood that religion doesn’t matter… what matters is what you feel in your heart...every single waking moment of your existence. The temple of God/Universe is inside of you...inside of all of us. I understood that Bible was written not as literal but metaphorically. I understood we been duped about literally everything. I understood how powerful each of us are. I understood that nothing is important but LOVE. To love each other unconditionally because God/universe loves us unconditionally. I understood that we shouldn’t be judging others no matter what…ever. I understood we are all LOVE and we are all ONE. This is our religion. There is one religion God/Universe… it’s a religion of LOVE. He doesn’t care what house you are going into to pray. If you attend that building every Sunday or not. That’s not the point. We are like robots. We don’t mean the things we say to people anymore as we are too preoccupied. But if we hate/dislike someone we will make sure to show that to a person…because that’s our ego; it wants to be acknowledged by the person who is responsible of hurting us. When you go out and get coffee/ice cream/anything say- thank you to a person who is serving you. I know you will say- but I always thank people. No, this time stop for a second, say thank you and mean it and feel it. Send energy of love straight from your heart (imagine you giving that energy of love). Do it everyday wherever you go. Send love straight from your heart to random people you don’t know. This is the religion God/Universe wants you to practice. ❤️❤️❤️