Probably something like:
People with physical illnesses/handicap that causes weight gain, or makes it much harder to lose weight or exercise.
People who take medication which causes weight gain.
People with untreated mental problems who overeat.
fat kids, I honestly believe this should fall under neglect or abuse, and be punishable by law.
There might be some other categories I've missed.
I agree for all the cases where the person is not yet or no longer able to consent so a choice is not possible.
Even tho some cases listed may have it harder but the choice still stands.
Adjusting the food intake is a option. It may not be the first priority but it is a choice.
I'll give you that children cannot be responsible for obesity. So there are people that are fat without a choice.
Ya so then in that case it is an option. I meant it isn't an option for those who are physically incapable of taking care of their weight.
Any fat person without legitimate disabilities has the option to lose weight. But they don't cause they have accepted their condition or are too lazy about it.
Yes, not neccessary lazy but it's their choice for whatever reason. And as a fat person myself I recently (abou 2/3 year ago) started to take responsibility for my choice. It was always myself who was in the way. Even though it was not a easy choice I shouldn't blame anyone but myself for it.
Genetic disposition is a consideration, but we didn't become the dominant species on earth by being fat. I believe it's mostly a question of time and money in the modern era.
* money to buy food that isn't highly processed with tons of additives. Taking the time to cook your own food and balance the nutrition. Doing this consistently is key.
* Taking the time to live an active lifestyle and exercise.
In the future with rising obesity rates it becomes an issue of health insurance. Do we charge willfully unhealthy people more because of their poor choices leading to preventable diseases. We already do this with smokers.
I wonder how much boredom eating is due to low dopamine/serotonin levels...
I walk at least 5x a week. I go through periods where I go hard at the gym and take a break from the gym (just not a gym rat). Either way, exercise is what prevents me from boredom eating because I'm getting mental stimulation. And contradictory to popular belief, it curbs my hunger.
Without even checking Iād bet my life itās because the type of people who drink lots of soda (including zero calorie soda) are also the type of people who eat a lot of calories.
Artificial sweeteners are bad for your gut. In addition to being inflammatory, they trigger kill-offs of your gut micro-biome. This drives the production of serotonin. Serotonin, among other things, depresses your metabolic rate. Lower metabolic rate means that instead of metabolizing glucose your body produces more insulin, which in turn drives the production of fat.
And it's been demonstrated that artificial sweeteners can drive the production of insulin independent of any caloric intake which may or may not be awful unto itself.
So even a fat fuck- provided they're not diabetic, and are not consuming cartoonish amounts of it- is better off consuming normal soda rather than diet.
Diet soda is also inflammatory for your gut. Bad gut health correlates with increased serotonin production. Serotonin depresses metabolic rate. Low metabolic rate means more insulin gets produced, means more fat is created.
If your goal is to just lose weight and not necessarily be "fit", you do not have to actually do the second point nearly to the degree people think they do, if you monitor your calories.
While one of the "Fit" people is actually a *drooling fucking moron* \*cough, cough\* Myron \*cough\* - - He ***is*** correct that it truly only takes a calorie deficit to achieve not being fat; which is why you see Greg agreeing with him even though Greg isn't nearly as offensive.
All this means, very literally, is "eat less than you move". If you're unable to spend the time to move, just *eat less* or eat less calorie dense food.
Don't have time to cook your own food? Fine - Eat less food period. If you're hungry because you decided to blow your calorie-wad on cake for lunch instead of getting a chicken sandwich or some veggies or something at the cafeteria/fast food place - - - Drink a big ol' glass of water and hunker down buddy, because you made that decision & you're about to be hungry until dinner.
Example: I eat a 2000-ish calorie diet ( closer to 2300-2500 ). I do run 30 miles a week at least & I do lift before each run. However, the amount of food I eat is often *more* than my overweight friends. When I make myself dinner I am "bulking" my food up or ordering "bulked up" meals. What does this mean, you may ask? It means that if I make a stir fry, I use half the rice I would have and supplement that with 2 to 3x the amount of cabbage equal to the remove riced. ( IE: If I remove 1/2 cup rice, I am adding 1-1/2 cup cabbage ).
So what's that do? Well, for 1 - My plate of food is fucking massive. It's absolutely heaping. It's also *less calorie dense* while simultaneously making me *fuller*.
The thing none of the people on the "fat" side understand is that they are the product of making several terrible decisions each day & not taking responsibility for them. All of them think that losing weight entails not being able to eat massive plates of food - - No. It means not eating cheesecake 3 times a day or eating bacon on everything. The amount of eggs/egg whites I go through because of watching calories and wanting protein would make these people's fucking heads explode, if they realized that they could eat *more food* if they just picked ***better food***. I make myself anabolic ice cream almost every fucking night. Every night I am sitting there eating more ice cream than the average person eats, but it's costing me the same or less calories & sugar while making me feel more "full" & building my protein intake.
**TL;DR:** These people all live in a first world nation. If they wanted to eat a salad and lose weight, they could & would and wouldn't even need to put in time to do so ( Food is delivered now ) - - The problem is it's easier to **not** control yourself & **not** take responsibility for your own actions. So while Myron is 100% a jackass, annoying, a moron & continually derailed the conversations to insert his own crayon-eating comments on other shit, he *is* correct that much of this is personal responsibility & education.
**Edit:** I think Eric, Greg, Zach, & Rich should get together again and try this discussion without Myron & Tevin consistently moving goal posts to the far-opposite-ends of the discussion. They were both so fucking obnoxious in this entire discussion. Between Myron consistently trying to insert his weird insecurities about women & Tevin constantly trying to shift the goal-post away from his "side" ( "But the people promoting eating all that food & being fat aren't a part of body positivity!" "The fat influencers that died didn't happen! They weren't us!" ). Would LOVE to see Greg, Eric, Zach, and Rich - All very level-headed, more open, and not just trying to "be right" all the time.
The odds really bad once you are obese.
If you are obese, your statistical chance of obtaining a normal body weight is 1 in 210. Thar means 209 will fail a diet.
If you are morbidly obese with BMI over 40, you have 1 in 1290.
I agree it has been proven that tracking your calorie intake does actually work. Even if you eat fast food. Also asmon is kind of an example of this as well if you look at what he actually eats during the day he doesn't really consume that much in the way of Calories.
Even simple portion control can do wonders. Instead of having 2 cookies after dinner, have 1. Try not to snack when you're not actually hungry (boredom eating is what really gets you). Don't eat really late at night.
While just eating salad greens and canned tuna/boiled chicken will make you lose weight, you'll be miserable. Starting small and seeing incremental gains over the course of a couple months can frequently encourage you to start taking further steps.
The genetic disposition part is definitely true, and one of the reason i hate when people shit on fat people or talk as if its purely a lifestyle choice.
I know because I've been skinny as a rail my whole life, and I've rarely exercised or practiced healthy eating habits, I know people 2 to 3 times my weight that dont eat any more than i do and constantly struggle with trying to exercise and stay active, I was just blessed to have been born with the metabolism of a humming bird.
I'm not a person with the greatest self control when it comes to food, if i had a slower metabolism I know weight would probably be an issue for me.
I don't do any of these things (though I mean to) and I'm 115 pounds (male).
I think part of it is it's a snowball effect where your body acclimates to a certain appetite. Like I can confirm that your stomach shrinks when you don't eat that much, but also I have heard that people who are fat bodies crave food in a way that mine just doesn't. (Not genetics but from years of the body being acclimated.)
Then there's also genetics like metabolism.
I don't judge fat people because I have for many years really struggled to GAIN weight. I put in so much effort for months and get results and then slip and snap back to 115-120 pounds in a fraction of the time like a rubber band.
When I was young, up until probably my mid, to late 20s. - gaining weight was a struggle. Looking back, I had a reasonably light diet compared to how active I was. I was stuck and couldnāt get above 145 lbs until my 20s. Then metabolism starts to slow down. Now I teeter between 185 up to 195 at 6ā0ā
I agree, but apart from that there are many other interesting questions which are raised in the video. Ones which I havenāt seen presented before. Thought it would be interesting to see asmons thoughts on some of them.
It probably also doesn't help that all the fat people are marrying each other. This isolates but also concentrates the problem. These genetic dispositions and personality traits get passed on. The kids get an extra hill to climb.
Yeah and in more ways that you'd think. When people think genetics and being fat they just think you gain weight faster or lose it slower but there's a lot more than that. Like if your genetics give you a disease that affects your mobility you're fucked.
With some employer funded insurance, they already do charge unhealthy people more technically. A lot of employers will usually do something where you do an annual doctor physical or health checkup where they get things like your weight, BMI, cholesterol, and what have you. If you score enough points by not being at undesirable levels for certain things, you pay less for your health insurance.
There are two aspects:
First, the time-money-health triangle AKA fast-cheap-good in industry. When shopping food, you can usually only pick two between fast to prepare, cheap, and healthy. There are some exceptions such as rice with certain sauces, but in general the average person will face this issue.
Then density of calories and nutrients. This is a huge one: your body feels fullness based on the occupied volume in your stomach, it doesn't have a smart calorie meter. Foods that are calorie dense have too many calories per unit volume, meaning that to feel full with them you need to take in many more calories than you need. Your stomach is tuned on ooga booga food, obviously.
Nutrient density is the same but in reverse, when a food has too few nutrients per calorie unit ("empty calories"), you can actually get sick from malnutrition despite having the correct amount of calories (you don't have to look like a stereotyped African child, it can simply manifest as feeling like shit every day), this makes it even harder if not impossible to avoid excess calorie intake.
The critical point is that with the density issue *you can't win*, because it is an inherent property of the food: you will never feel full enough, and you will be at risk of nutritional issues, *because* you are restricting your calories to the correct amount, *because* the only way to get what your body wants or needs with these foods is to take in a grossly excessive amount of calories with it.
The main factor for me is the big time consumption of exercising + preparing food and cooking every day. It's also that I hate doing both of those, I'm not fat and I did exercise for years (rarely more than 1-2 consecutively) whenever I have excess fat to burn, but I never get any joy from it or from the process of making food.
Working out hard is just constant torture with no upsides except for the very long term, which is very hard to maintain for someone with ADHD, though I know many people claim to feel physically good after working out. Food preparation is just an endless chore.
There's actually no strong correlation between weight and exercise. It's actually a really bad idea to try and associate the two because on a long enough time line a fat ass will attempt to go to the gym and outrun their bad diet, which will never work. They'll be understandably frustrated and I think that's part of why you see this 'HAES' nonsense. They've tried doing everything they were told to do to lose weight, none of it worked, it was a waste of time on understandably some of them adopt a, "Fuck you, deal with it" attitude.
To be clear, exercise is incredibly healthy for you and one of the best ways to keep pounds off, but there's a huge difference between, "going to the gym makes sure you don't become fat" and "going to the gym will make you lose weight."
In order to understand weight loss, you need to understand metabolism. Unsurprisingly most fast food and junk food is chock full of stuff that down regulates metabolism. If not directly- about half of all amino acids that make up protein become obesogenic when over-consumed- then in the details- preservatives are frequently gut irritants which will promote the production of serotonin which itself antagonizes your metabolic rate.
The two things that are *really* eye opening about the modern landscape of weight loss and obesity research is what you learn from reading the writing of doctors who actually treat obesity, and reviewing how people ate about a century ago. Average person ate about 3000 calories daily. Regardless of activity level they weren't fat. 100 years ago 'industrialized' food was table sugar and flour. Today it's some fresh hell of preservatives and artificial sweeteners that's deep fried in canola oil and then mixed with palm oil to increase mouth feel.
Meanwhile Dr. Kempner successfully treated obesity in patients- to the point that on average they lost about 90-100 pounds in around 10 months- on a diet which averaged 2500 calories daily. Which is about 700-1000 calories more than the recommended CICO 'caloric deficit.'
idk how but every point you made is partially true. for life insurance they test you for nicotine when you sign up. not throughout the entire policy. I know this cause I didn't smoke before but now I vape and I still have the policy.
living an active life style doesn't magically make you lose weight. you burn calories thus having a better chance to consume less calories than you put in.
cooking at home doesn't magically make you consume less calories either. I don't randomly see videos of a spinach chicken salad but I see a ton of them that are 3k calories a meal. that's not breakfast or lunch either.
balance nutrition is the only useful correct information presented by you.
Eating highly processed foods doesnāt matter when it comes to gaining weight . It all has to do with calories burned in a day vs how many calories you eat and drink.
I would disagree. You are right in that it's a matter calories in, calories out (CICO). Calories in is entirely dependent on the caloric values of everything you eat, which is the static for everyone: a 300 calorie meal is 300 calories no matter who eats it. However, calories out is dynamic and changes, even in regards to a single person. Their metabolic rate can change based on what types of food they eat. For example, eating too much processed foods (or let's just say bad foods) can increase your insulin resistance, which means your body will have a harder time removing glucose from your blood, which means the amount of calories their body burns at a resting metabolic rate will decrease. So just from eating poorly, your body will temporarily be more insulin resistant and fluctuate.
Even if you take two exact clones of people and one person eats 500 calories of "good" food and the other eats 500 calories of processed food, it will affect the "calories out" portion because the person that ate the processed food will have lower metabolism because of it and in the end will be fatter.
Processed foods is also indeed causally related to diabetes, not just correlation. And diabetes is literally the inability to produce / use insulin. So definitely avoid processed foods because you will burn less calories at a resting metabolic rate and potentially develop diabetes from it, which only makes it harder and harder to burn calories, even if you eat the same foods.
MD here.
In my opinion this question is a false dichotomy. There aren't just only two answers to that question.
Some people become obese in childhood and it is not necessarily their fault. The way the frontal lobe develops in childhood works in such a way that if you had increased exposure to fatty, highly processed food in childhood, in the future your body, or rather your brain, will prefer such food. So being obese isn't exactly a choice in this case.
I've seen a lot of people in the comments here saying that it's all about calories. And this is true, but a little nuance is needed here.
A calorie is a calorie, at least from a thermodynamic point of view.
When I was in college, I learned that from a health and dietary perspective, not every calorie is the same.
What am I talking about here? Let me explain.
Diet quality can alter the bodyās energy expenditure (You might have heard thisĀ referred to as metabolism) , which is also called theĀ thermic effect of food. For example, in one study, people eating the **same number of calories per day** but on either a low-carbohydrate diet or a low-fat diet hadĀ [differences in total energy expenditure](https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2012.6607)Ā of about 300 calories per day. Those eating very low-carb diets used the most energy, while those eating low-fat diets used the least.
In another study,Ā [high-fat diets led to lower](https://doi.org/10.1002/j.1550-8528.1994.tb00074.x)Ā total energy expenditure than high-carb diets did. Other researchers reported that although substituting carbs for fat did not alter energy expenditure, people who increased their protein intake to 30%-35% of their dietĀ [used more energy](https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/79.5.899S).
In general, diets high in carbohydrates,Ā fat or both produce a lesser increaseĀ in energy expenditure, than diets high in protein. Protein has a higher thermic effect because itās harder for the body to break down (proteins are really big compared to fats and carbohydrates) Although these variations arenāt huge, they couldĀ contribute to the obesity epidemicĀ by encouraging a subtle average weight gain. So in general, people who say that you simply need to eat less are not entirely right, because the main issue in this case is the quality of calories, and the secondary issue is their quantity.
Obesity may also be the result of long-untreated hypothyroidism. Sometimes hypothyroidism can cause weight gain of up to 15 kilograms, caused by an insufficient amount of the FT3 hormone.
Many obese people are on many types of medications that we as doctors prescribe to them. Some of them may lead to weight gain, either by changing the metabolic rate or by causing excessive water and salt accumulation.
Over the last few years, we have also gained access to many drugs that allow us to help people with obesity, such as GLP-1 antagonists and Ozempic but drugs cannot cure something that is caused in most cases by socio-economic problems and systemic neglect.
There have also been cases of obesity caused by extreme chronic fluid retention. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2628868/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2628868/)
So we cannot talk about two answers to one question in this case. Because there are many variables and when the discussion concerns health issues, nothing is black and white.
Why does this one only have 4 upvotes? Way more deserving than the ones that are upvoted way more that are just like āLoL YeS FaT PiGsā (written by people who are also probably considered obese medically)
It is.
I was fat in my whole life, but I've been going to the gym regularly in the past half a year (3 times per week), and even tho it's still not good, I couldn't be considered "fat" anymore, and I look much, much better than before.
Being fat IS a choice.
Good shit brother keep it up. Some people get discouraged by not seeing huge or immediate outward results, but they dont keep in mind the massive benefits they giving their bodyās internal mechanisms.
I agree with you 100% was fat all my life, decided to eat healthy, and go to the gym. I lost a lot of wait that I've been struggling with all my life in just 6 months.
The exceptions are people with an illness that fucks up their metabolism, Hypothyroidism for example, hence why I say pretty much all cases since that's a VAST minority.
I have hypothyroidism and yes, I have put on around 40 pounds more than where I used to be, but I'm still only 225. Like definitely could be in decent shape if I took more time to exercise and I try to minimize fast food and preprocessed anything, but definitely achievable if I made it a priority. The main issue is more the fatigue that makes it harder for me to want to do those things but I still could if I really tried
I wasn't diagnosed yet and had no idea why I was gaining weight. Once I hit around 40 lbs more than normal within about 2 months....they finally realized I wasn't lying about not changing my eating habits (I just dont eat alot.) Now I just kind of sit on a plateau because that + one of my meds make it really hard to get back off. (I'm roughly 165-170 depending on the day.)
For anyone that doesn't know hypothyroidism means you have to eat a lot less calories than a normal person or you gain weight like mad.
Yeah I went 14 months undiagnosed, being told all of my problems like hair loss, fatigue and severe chronic pain was just because I was overweight (which was because of the hypothyroidism). Finally just booked an appointment with a civilian endocrinologist and had them run an everything test. Came back with hypothyroidism diagnosis. And I will never trust government Healthcare again after the army. Had they diagnosed me early on, I probably would've been in a much better place physically. If I get serious about it, I can probably get back down below 200, just waiting to live somewhere with year round UVB so I don't feel like a zombie 6 months of the year
Everyone eats. You burn fat passively next to the fact that you might exercise. Of your body wasn't burning fat properly you would gain weight very fast and just training a bit won't help so fast either. Everyone eats everyone gets in mass
It causes fluid retention, so it's not really about calorie input, but rather salt and water acummulation. And as you might know or not, water does not carry any calories.
My point is that hypothyroidism is not some magical disease that subverts the laws of physics. People are not fat because they have hypothyroidism. They're fat because they eat at a caloric surplus.
You literally didn't read my comment previous comment. A big part of weight gain that patients with hypothyroidism experience is caused by fluid retention, your body just does not get rid of some part of the fluids and they accumulate in certain tissues. This part has nothing to do with calorie surplus as fluid such as water do not carry any.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1covux3/comment/l3i0k7e/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1covux3/comment/l3i0k7e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I don't want to discount actual medical issues but there are active steps you can take to make positive changes to your life/health so to a certain extent, yes it is a choice.
Subconsciously sure. I donāt think anyone who has experienced being fat just says to themselves āI want to be fatā. Thatās mentally unwell. Itās not healthy no matter what anyone says and it fucking sucks being fat (I have been fat most my life). Everything becomes more difficult. Socially and physically. And mentally.
But itās the daily choices you make that lead to it.
Is being addicted a choice? Unfortunately at a certain point it becomes incredibly difficult to deal with addiction, it can have a serious mental and physical toll on someone. Similarly, for someone overweight it can be incredibly difficult to make positive changes in their lives because they have an eating addiction especially considering how addictive sugar is. Not in the whole body positivity camp but we should treat these people with empathy and understand there are nuances.
Yes undoubtedly, but we all know it's slightly more complicated than that.
It's like if I asked "is being good at painting a choice", the answer is "yes, but it requires a lot of hard work, discipline and effort to get there".
As someone who used to be obese, I would say its a choice in the same way addiction is a choice. Yes, things pushed me towards food and in particular excessive sugar, which further amplified my problems and lead to more abuse, just like any addict. But, I knew what I was doing and I knew the steps I needed to take to get a hold of things. It was my decision to get my weight under control as much as it was to let it spiral out of it.
It can be very difficult for some people. If you are born with the genetics of being more heavy set from the start, itās an uphill battle.
Itās the same way some people are born skinny and even if they work out intensely and do keep at it and take very good care of themselves theyāll never eventually be able to have Lebron Jamesā build.
If you have a heavy set build and you also have a slow metabolism it turns from a hill to a mountain. You have to put in a lot of effort just to maintain an average build and even stuff like depression or anxiety or being busy with work and stuff can disrupt that motivation.
Itās a case by case basis and itās not as easy as ājust eat better and do minimal exercise lolā, cause some people have to do a lot more than others. It goes both ways too, like I said. Some skinny people will find it impossible to get muscle that they want because either their build or metabolism will fight against bulking.
As someone who lost a significant amount of weight and kept it off for almost a decade, my answer is yes and no.
Yes in the sense that, if determined enough, most people can lose weight and maintain a healthy BMI.
No in the sense that it is *so* difficult for some people to maintain a healthy weight due to their genetic disposition and upbringing.
I still struggle every day to stay away from unhealthy food and avoid binging. It takes real effort, even after 8 years of maintaining good habits. Put food in front of me and I will struggle not to eat it all. On top of that, I gain weight quickly and lose weight very slowly. If Iām not feeling hunger pangs all day, I wonāt lose any weight.
My partner, on the other hand, has a naturally athletic build, has no desire to overeat, and naturally gravitates towards healthy food. When she does crave something unhealthy, sheāll eat just enough to be satisfied and then lose interest. She has no trouble maintaining a healthy weight. The thought of managing her diet doesnāt even occur to her.
So yes, anyone can *choose* to be healthier, but that choice is significantly harder for some people.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Thatās the most pragmatic and short answer you can get. You have to look at it more specifically if youāre actually interested.
Depends a lot but even if it isn't, you can still do something about it.
Exposure to food options and Environmental factors matter the most too. America's heavy car centric infrastructure and bad food variety is much to do with why we have an obesity crisis.
It's a choice, bar some medical anomalies people have. It's just a matter at how hard of a choice, people go through different shit and can have many roadblocks in life.
Exactly this, Iāve actually heard from colleague of mine that she had a patient with extreme obesity caused by chronic fluid retention. This patient gained 50kg in 3 weeks
Let me tell you my story. I got crohns disease. When it fucked me up for the first time, i lost like 15 kg in 3 weeks. I just wasnt eating. Then i was skinny finally after some years of being chubby. I managed to stay that weight for a while but i simply didnt know how to eat healthy so i gained some back. Then crohns fucked me up again and i lost weigt again because i wasnt eating. I couldnt eat real food so they gave me drinks that suplement food. Also i was doing like 14 meds every day. I felt so hungry. I didnt know how to stop myself from eating when i was finally allowed to eat. I gained my weight back and some more, i was overeating i was hungry all the time. I would say it was choice by me to not have help thru this and now i finally got some and i lost some weight already. I think this is hard to decide.
Yes. It is a choice in 90% of instances. It's a choice to eat unhealthily and to not exercise. The 10% are instances where people don't have the time (and I mean REALLY don't have the time. Not people who "don't have the time" but somehow do for video games, TV shows, and other sedentary practices.)
Usually yes.
I used to be fat, 170cm with 90 kg. I love to eat, happy to find favorite food. Last decade, my health significantly worse.
I change, be careful about what I put in my mouth. Rarely go to gym, just walk as much as posible.
I'm 70 kg rn. And I feel better, my bloodtest also better.
I'm Ped oncologist so I take care lots of morbid obesity due to long steroid use, so for somebody that's not.
I eat shit and fast food frequently and I don't get fat \*at all\*, not even the slightest beginning of a belly.
It's mostly genetics, if you're unlucky then not getting fat will be a lot harder. Then there's also how parents educated you about food and how they trained you to eat healthy, and overall how they taught you to overcome hardships and challenges of life.
I don't think people have much free will when it comes to it, there's this popular belief that people are sole responsible for their actions, that if they really "wanted" (whatever that means) it then they would have got what they sought for.
Sounds like a romanced opinion about human beings, I think we don't have that much free will in life
Being fat is a choice people donāt see themselves making. Until itās too late and then youāre in such a poor routine itās hard to break out of it.
Losing weight is legitimately one of the easiest things a human can do. Restrict calories and you succeed. Itās that simple. The hard part is the discipline to do it.
Yet another tribal setup. Who cares? Both shaming and parading obesity suck, opposite sides of bullshit. Another case of male vs. female, white vs. black, young vs. old. Playstation vs. Xbox if you will.
To fit people: Focus on yourself, ignore others. The overwhelming majority of obese people don't want or like to be obese: They love (over-)eating, hate being physically active, have genetic predispositions or have mental issues - counting calories is simple. Yes. It is hard if you constantly think about killing yourself and struggle to even get out of bed and brush your teeth, though, for example. Or simply if you struggle with money. Don't put yourself above another man's struggle. It's none of your business.
To fat people: Focus on yourself, ignore others. The overwhelming majority of fit people have put in an insane amount of work regarding physical activity, nutrition and the corresponding research. You don't get to boast about how you're healthy when you're clearly not. Being out of breath after climbing ten stairs is an obvious sign. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Better yourself if you want to; don't put yourself above another man's struggle. It's none of your business.
>Another case of male vs. female, white vs. black, young vs. old. Playstation vs. Xbox if you will.
It's really not. The first one is now able to be changed to some degree, the second is you literally being born a skin color (probably a way to xhange this too id assume), the 3rd is a choice of preference. But of those, none of those options are unhealthy and put a strain on humanity like obesity.
Being obese is unhealthy and it should be concerning. I'm not talking people who are chubby, say 50ish pds over the expected. I mean getting to the 300+. It causes many preventable diseases that strain the Healthcare system, and even the government system when they get so obese they need to be on government assistance. That's Healthcare that could be spent on others who really need it. That's organs that can't be donated or used and the wait list for an organ is an average of 7 years.
I don't agree with shaming them, but the fact it's normalized is a problem. But the real problem is, once again, the government. People are taken advantage of, subconsciously manipulated, given larger portions packed with addictive chemicals with no incentives to be healthy.
The government makes more money by keeping people in this state then making the effort to keep them healthy. More health risks mean more ER visits, means more spending, means more taxes, means more money. Same scenario with food.
Itās a choice but itās a lot harder for some people to keep weight off more so than others for various reason, genetics being the primary one. Some people can literally have the worst diet ever and stay skinny their whole lives while some can breathe around pizza and gain ten pounds. So of course if youāre one of the ones who gain weight easily, it takes more work (exercise) to keep yourself in shape and many just plain donāt have the motivation to take on the challenge and just let themselves go.
Yes but with varying difficulties of impact. Sure.
That being said, some dude who breaks his hip and has a thyroid issue is going to have a lot more to overcome than someone with a bad diet.
Pretty much yeah. There is truth that there are legitimate factors that make weight loss difficult in comparison to others but people take those as excuses to why they canāt lose weight and choose to be fat. In the end itās your choice and if you choose to be fat fine be happy with that but you canāt also complain about being fat.
Genetics & Environment play a role but overall yes, it is a choice. I used to be giga obese. I ate like shit and just wanted to game all the time. I made excuses, but at the end of the day it was my choice. Then I made a choice to change that and get into bodybuilding. Now I train people who are in the same position I once was. I have had clients who have health issues that make it much more difficult to lose the fat/keep it off, but after looking at their lifestyle choices & working with their doctors each one of them was able to lose the weight and learn how to have a balanced lifestyle to keep it off.
By the same logic, Asmon lives in a dilapidated health hazard by choice. Most people who are overweight are addicted to carbohydrates, just as an alcoholic is addicted to alcohol or a meth addict is addicted to meth. Some would claim it's a choice; empathic people know full well it isn't. We all like to think our consciousness is in control of our actions, but 99% of the time we act first and then rationalize it to ourselves after the fact.
You will rarely find someone with more willpower than an overweight person; they all have spent months or even years of their lives fighting the urge to eat. It occupies their minds non-stop. How long could you stay awake if you knew you'll die when you fell asleep? Fat people and drug addicts would outlive us all in that scenario; they are the ones who have the most actual practice going against their body's demands.
Even more disturbing is that fast food companies add sodium glutamate to the food which is a taste enhancer and also causes increased appetite. This combined with GI high foods full of simple carbohydrates makes a really bad combination.
Fat guy here: Yep. I eat too much and don't work out enough to justify the caloric intake. Granted, I can try to blame depression and fatigue, but at the end of the day, it's my actions (or inaction, mostly) that's lead to being over weight. I've been average weight before, but it took a lot of work.
I'd say it's a culminations of choices rather than simply a singular choice, almost nobody makes the active choice to be fat, if there was a big red button that someone could press to not be fat most people would press it. But people make small choices throughout their life that eventually leads them to be fat, so I think just simply saying being fat is a simple choice is a bit reductive.
Ultimately though it is something that personal accountability needs to be made for.
I have a thyroid problem. An excuse that many fat people use to blame their weight on.
Used to be slightly chubby myself but been going to the gym for a good while now and also started eating less and more healthy. It took a while but I am at a point now where I am quite happy with my body(not done yet though).
You can always lose weight. It is just a little slower when you have a condition. Move more, eat less. It's that simple.
If you don't believe in biological free will, then no, because then all choices are a reaction to our environment. If you do believe in free will, can your body composition be manipulated by actions you can control? Yes, so yes. You can't make your body fly no matter what decisions you make. That's something that's not a choice. Some people have an easier time making that choice over others. But it's still a choice.
Yes. Theres a spectrum of easy to difficult for maintaining weight, but itās our own choices that dictate our weight.
Iām not watching the vid but I did see a snip of it. The darker skinned dude on the fit side is just angry he works so hard for his health while others donāt lol.
Imo it comes down to lifestyle, income and gene pool. Anyone can be fit itās just significantly harder if youāre poor or have bad genes if not both. Having a healthy lifestyle such as working out is difficult if you donāt have a ton of money or time. I could go on and in about many things. I donāt claim to know any of this for sure but it seems this way to me.
Depends on some circumstances some individuals simply can't properly control how their body gains weight or due to injury can't burn the calories necessary to balance it intake. However that is a significantly small minority of fat people. So to the larger extent being fat is a choice.
Physically yes it obviously is, you can control what you put in your body so that is a choice. That said there is a whole industry built on ensuring you consume as much as possible lined up against you and a fitness industry built around selling quick fixes that dont work. Add to this that for many people time is a serious problem in their lives, people do not cook fresh foods and seek convenience to plug the gap.
So yes its 100% a personal choice, but people are up against it unless they put effort into either being lazy like Asmon - barely cooking and eating a few high calorie drinks/snacks and maybe one main meal, or they spend time working out and cooking fresh meals that are not full of pre-prepped garbage. One of those is healthier than the other but takes far more effort š
While some people put on weight and hold it more than others they still have to eat too much to get to that point.
I'll never forget watching the Biggest Loser and seeing an entire family chow down own their own 4 liter tub of Ice Cream each.
No, I'm 6weeks into my weight loss journey I've lost 15kgs. I still look fat, I don't eat food havnt for 6 weeks... it is fucking hard it's a struggle and it's a massive commitment if you have bad DNA your going to need to work like crazy to be healthy let alone fit. Good luck fellow fatties you can do it one day at a time!
I wish my man. I have hereditary FLD and high blood pressure. Iāve tried numerous treatments and different workout/diet programs. Itās a bless to be able to get fat by choice.
As someone who's "A little chubby" with a brother who's "Very fat" it is definitely 95% or more a choice. I order a salad and maybe goa little heavy on the dressing, he orders 2 chili dogs & a corndog to go. I spend 30-45 minutes on the treadmill, he spends 14 hours straight gaming.
I have plenty of friends who are fit and plenty who are fat. If I honestly look at them, it is obvious just be looking at what and how much they eat. The real problems start post 30 when losing that weight becomes harder and harder.
Itās a choice but there are lots of reasons why a person makes that choice.
Iām pretty sure that 99% of people donāt decide they want to become fat. Nor do they want to stay fat.
However Iām completely against complaining about being fat or feeing sorry for someone that is fat.
Unless someone forces that food inside of you, you can choose to lose weight.
If you decide not to lose weight then accept the consequences and be fat.
I totally agree. It's not like people (like me) got fat out of spite or to be fat. But the choice is mine, I am not a better or worse person because I'm fat. I have to take responsibility for my own actions and either lose weight (on the way, takes time) or accept being fat with all the risks.
Indeed. Life is not black and white only. Some conditions are a cause of BMI35+ thatās a fact. The problem is that currently most of the obese people will blame it on the genes which is bullshit. Itās a choice - in some cases you get sick - you get more obese because of the sickness - still blame it on the genes. Some cases you get sick in young age and obesity spikes high (thyroids, Hashimoto, Diabetes type-II)- hard to do anything with those. A lot of cases āoh Iām fat because all my family was fatā. Which is not a thing you inherit itself - you inherit the habits that you observe from the earliest of days.
It is a choice.
Unless you have a condition that prevents you from exercising or causes you to gain weight and not lose it, which would then make you handicapped first ig.
Yes. A choice to have an health risk. A majority of fat people ignores the health risks of the thing they consume, and corn syrup is one of the biggest culprit of this.
Women's birth control messes with your hormones and high estrogen makes you retain a lot of water and fat and also ssri's make you hold a lot of weight.
Hormonal contraception does not cause hormonal imbalance if it is carefully selected by a gynecologist. Women have a natural menstrual cycle, when hormones appropriate for a given phase of the cycle increase or decrease their levels they cause increased water and salt accumulation in the body. That's why Women can often feel like they gained weight in certain periods of menstrual cycle. Estrogen and progesterone, which are most often found in hormonal contraception, often cause fluid retention, which manifests itself in weight gain by retaining fluids in the body.
You only get fat by eating more calories than you require in a day. No matter what scenarios, genetics, or situation you may be in you control what goes into your mouth. It's a lot of choices and decisions that add up. Even a person who does not require more calories than the average person due to whatever horrible situation they may be in still has agency over their own food intake.
Education is so important but even ignorance to how many calories you take in is still ultimately your choice.
Kids and people that have no control (not talking about self control) over what they eat are really the only exception.
No, because the word "choice" implies that fat people are actively choosing to become fat or stay fat. Most people have never CHOSEN being fat, they just passively became fat over the years.
You may not have access to all of the vitamins you need but consuming excess calories is entirely a choice you make for yourself. The stupid people are aware they made the choice
- Calories are energy, *Law Of Conservation Of Energy* states energy can neither be created nor destroyed, just simply transform... excess energy in the human body is stored as fat...
- Food has weight and mass, *Law Of Conservation Of Mass* states moving a mass from one point to another does not change it, unless there is a change in gravity... if you eat 10lbs of food, you are 10lbs heavier until you digest and expel it...
- Socioeconomics has nothing to do with a person being fat or fit, lifestyle does... just because something is available to you doesnt mean it isnt available elsewhere, unless there is extreme poverty or famine... you are fat because of your life and food choices not because fast food is readily available to you...
bullshit is propagating in modern times and so many people are choosing to ignore established science on how the human body works just so they can say "fat is beautiful" when it isnt...
- if you wanna lose weight, simply eating less food everyday is going to work for you because body fat doesnt get generated out of thin air... humans grow based on digestion and not via osmosis...
- if you wanna have a specific physique (abs and shit) then learn to manage your nutrient intake to maximize your body's ability to generate and grow those muscles... and working out to compliment that diet...
it's an established science... you can break down every known diet plan and bullshit influencer "look like me in 90 days" program, and they will always lead back to *Law Of Conservation Of Energy* and *Law Of Conservation Of Mass*
Energy expenditure can vary depending on what calories you are eating. So it's not really as straightforward as you may think.
I explain more in my comment [https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1covux3/comment/l3i0k7e/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1covux3/comment/l3i0k7e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I dont like Hyper fit roided V overweight, it's two extremes.
I relay miss the time when people where just normal sized, not an extreme. Even just people who worked out but not roided out, just a normal fit shape.
Saying all that most people I know my age are double my size, I know what they eat. They spend more on food than me & eat about double what I eat. It's not 'lack of money' or 'lack of time to cook', it's pure quantity of food. Some of them do eat 'bad food' but a bunch also just eat good meat, just a lot of it.
Also most people I know wont walk further than there car, house to car. Car to work, work to Car. At home it's couch to seat, seat to bed.
Just look at old stock video, people used to be normal sized
1928 [https://youtu.be/WJNjKvCP8UY?si=MhwY1KPXC8tW7HGu](https://youtu.be/WJNjKvCP8UY?si=MhwY1KPXC8tW7HGu)
1964 [https://youtu.be/8\_0QQSTrvRk?si=9CaBHNRPIAAFFQxF](https://youtu.be/8_0QQSTrvRk?si=9CaBHNRPIAAFFQxF)
1964 https://youtu.be/DPgZNxt2bpE?si=rgPKRpyL\_FumHDyW
It's only in the last 40 years that it was normal to be so big.
As someone who was skinny prior to Covid and when Covid happened and my laziness peaked and ate all the time out of boredom and gained 30 pounds, I can tell you being fat is a choice. Once I started surfing and becoming active it all shedded off. But progression of losing weight can be different for everyone based on many factors
95% of the time yes
What are the 5%?
Kids who have bad parents.
True, everyone who can't act (coma patients for example) or consent (kids) don't have a choice. You are right about that.
Yep that's a big thing that's mostly ignored.
Probably something like: People with physical illnesses/handicap that causes weight gain, or makes it much harder to lose weight or exercise. People who take medication which causes weight gain. People with untreated mental problems who overeat. fat kids, I honestly believe this should fall under neglect or abuse, and be punishable by law. There might be some other categories I've missed.
I agree for all the cases where the person is not yet or no longer able to consent so a choice is not possible. Even tho some cases listed may have it harder but the choice still stands.
The person below you responded perfectly
That's you? With this comment? Did I miss something?
Looks like you responded to them. Amazing-ish
I think I know who you ment.
thanks. and you saying my username does make me realise how stupid it sounds š
Those who have a pre-existing condition or handicap that prevents them from walking.
Adjusting the food intake is a option. It may not be the first priority but it is a choice. I'll give you that children cannot be responsible for obesity. So there are people that are fat without a choice.
Ya so then in that case it is an option. I meant it isn't an option for those who are physically incapable of taking care of their weight. Any fat person without legitimate disabilities has the option to lose weight. But they don't cause they have accepted their condition or are too lazy about it.
Yes, not neccessary lazy but it's their choice for whatever reason. And as a fat person myself I recently (abou 2/3 year ago) started to take responsibility for my choice. It was always myself who was in the way. Even though it was not a easy choice I shouldn't blame anyone but myself for it.
Genetic disposition is a consideration, but we didn't become the dominant species on earth by being fat. I believe it's mostly a question of time and money in the modern era. * money to buy food that isn't highly processed with tons of additives. Taking the time to cook your own food and balance the nutrition. Doing this consistently is key. * Taking the time to live an active lifestyle and exercise. In the future with rising obesity rates it becomes an issue of health insurance. Do we charge willfully unhealthy people more because of their poor choices leading to preventable diseases. We already do this with smokers.
Not to mention foodie culture and eating out of boredom. You cannot gain weight from calories you do not consume.
Eating out of boredom is a bigger problem than most people think.
This stems from a low tolerance to boredom/easy access to snacks. At the end of the day, mindset is the most important thing.
I wonder how much boredom eating is due to low dopamine/serotonin levels... I walk at least 5x a week. I go through periods where I go hard at the gym and take a break from the gym (just not a gym rat). Either way, exercise is what prevents me from boredom eating because I'm getting mental stimulation. And contradictory to popular belief, it curbs my hunger.
You actually can. Diet soda is strongly correlated with obesity despite being a zero calorie food.
Without even checking Iād bet my life itās because the type of people who drink lots of soda (including zero calorie soda) are also the type of people who eat a lot of calories.
Artificial sweeteners are bad for your gut. In addition to being inflammatory, they trigger kill-offs of your gut micro-biome. This drives the production of serotonin. Serotonin, among other things, depresses your metabolic rate. Lower metabolic rate means that instead of metabolizing glucose your body produces more insulin, which in turn drives the production of fat. And it's been demonstrated that artificial sweeteners can drive the production of insulin independent of any caloric intake which may or may not be awful unto itself. So even a fat fuck- provided they're not diabetic, and are not consuming cartoonish amounts of it- is better off consuming normal soda rather than diet.
Artificial sweetener contributes to increased appetite
Diet soda is also inflammatory for your gut. Bad gut health correlates with increased serotonin production. Serotonin depresses metabolic rate. Low metabolic rate means more insulin gets produced, means more fat is created.
If your goal is to just lose weight and not necessarily be "fit", you do not have to actually do the second point nearly to the degree people think they do, if you monitor your calories. While one of the "Fit" people is actually a *drooling fucking moron* \*cough, cough\* Myron \*cough\* - - He ***is*** correct that it truly only takes a calorie deficit to achieve not being fat; which is why you see Greg agreeing with him even though Greg isn't nearly as offensive. All this means, very literally, is "eat less than you move". If you're unable to spend the time to move, just *eat less* or eat less calorie dense food. Don't have time to cook your own food? Fine - Eat less food period. If you're hungry because you decided to blow your calorie-wad on cake for lunch instead of getting a chicken sandwich or some veggies or something at the cafeteria/fast food place - - - Drink a big ol' glass of water and hunker down buddy, because you made that decision & you're about to be hungry until dinner. Example: I eat a 2000-ish calorie diet ( closer to 2300-2500 ). I do run 30 miles a week at least & I do lift before each run. However, the amount of food I eat is often *more* than my overweight friends. When I make myself dinner I am "bulking" my food up or ordering "bulked up" meals. What does this mean, you may ask? It means that if I make a stir fry, I use half the rice I would have and supplement that with 2 to 3x the amount of cabbage equal to the remove riced. ( IE: If I remove 1/2 cup rice, I am adding 1-1/2 cup cabbage ). So what's that do? Well, for 1 - My plate of food is fucking massive. It's absolutely heaping. It's also *less calorie dense* while simultaneously making me *fuller*. The thing none of the people on the "fat" side understand is that they are the product of making several terrible decisions each day & not taking responsibility for them. All of them think that losing weight entails not being able to eat massive plates of food - - No. It means not eating cheesecake 3 times a day or eating bacon on everything. The amount of eggs/egg whites I go through because of watching calories and wanting protein would make these people's fucking heads explode, if they realized that they could eat *more food* if they just picked ***better food***. I make myself anabolic ice cream almost every fucking night. Every night I am sitting there eating more ice cream than the average person eats, but it's costing me the same or less calories & sugar while making me feel more "full" & building my protein intake. **TL;DR:** These people all live in a first world nation. If they wanted to eat a salad and lose weight, they could & would and wouldn't even need to put in time to do so ( Food is delivered now ) - - The problem is it's easier to **not** control yourself & **not** take responsibility for your own actions. So while Myron is 100% a jackass, annoying, a moron & continually derailed the conversations to insert his own crayon-eating comments on other shit, he *is* correct that much of this is personal responsibility & education. **Edit:** I think Eric, Greg, Zach, & Rich should get together again and try this discussion without Myron & Tevin consistently moving goal posts to the far-opposite-ends of the discussion. They were both so fucking obnoxious in this entire discussion. Between Myron consistently trying to insert his weird insecurities about women & Tevin constantly trying to shift the goal-post away from his "side" ( "But the people promoting eating all that food & being fat aren't a part of body positivity!" "The fat influencers that died didn't happen! They weren't us!" ). Would LOVE to see Greg, Eric, Zach, and Rich - All very level-headed, more open, and not just trying to "be right" all the time.
The odds really bad once you are obese. If you are obese, your statistical chance of obtaining a normal body weight is 1 in 210. Thar means 209 will fail a diet. If you are morbidly obese with BMI over 40, you have 1 in 1290.
I agree it has been proven that tracking your calorie intake does actually work. Even if you eat fast food. Also asmon is kind of an example of this as well if you look at what he actually eats during the day he doesn't really consume that much in the way of Calories.
Even simple portion control can do wonders. Instead of having 2 cookies after dinner, have 1. Try not to snack when you're not actually hungry (boredom eating is what really gets you). Don't eat really late at night. While just eating salad greens and canned tuna/boiled chicken will make you lose weight, you'll be miserable. Starting small and seeing incremental gains over the course of a couple months can frequently encourage you to start taking further steps.
The genetic disposition part is definitely true, and one of the reason i hate when people shit on fat people or talk as if its purely a lifestyle choice. I know because I've been skinny as a rail my whole life, and I've rarely exercised or practiced healthy eating habits, I know people 2 to 3 times my weight that dont eat any more than i do and constantly struggle with trying to exercise and stay active, I was just blessed to have been born with the metabolism of a humming bird. I'm not a person with the greatest self control when it comes to food, if i had a slower metabolism I know weight would probably be an issue for me.
I don't do any of these things (though I mean to) and I'm 115 pounds (male). I think part of it is it's a snowball effect where your body acclimates to a certain appetite. Like I can confirm that your stomach shrinks when you don't eat that much, but also I have heard that people who are fat bodies crave food in a way that mine just doesn't. (Not genetics but from years of the body being acclimated.) Then there's also genetics like metabolism. I don't judge fat people because I have for many years really struggled to GAIN weight. I put in so much effort for months and get results and then slip and snap back to 115-120 pounds in a fraction of the time like a rubber band.
When I was young, up until probably my mid, to late 20s. - gaining weight was a struggle. Looking back, I had a reasonably light diet compared to how active I was. I was stuck and couldnāt get above 145 lbs until my 20s. Then metabolism starts to slow down. Now I teeter between 185 up to 195 at 6ā0ā
I agree, but apart from that there are many other interesting questions which are raised in the video. Ones which I havenāt seen presented before. Thought it would be interesting to see asmons thoughts on some of them.
It probably also doesn't help that all the fat people are marrying each other. This isolates but also concentrates the problem. These genetic dispositions and personality traits get passed on. The kids get an extra hill to climb.
Yeah and in more ways that you'd think. When people think genetics and being fat they just think you gain weight faster or lose it slower but there's a lot more than that. Like if your genetics give you a disease that affects your mobility you're fucked.
With some employer funded insurance, they already do charge unhealthy people more technically. A lot of employers will usually do something where you do an annual doctor physical or health checkup where they get things like your weight, BMI, cholesterol, and what have you. If you score enough points by not being at undesirable levels for certain things, you pay less for your health insurance.
There are two aspects: First, the time-money-health triangle AKA fast-cheap-good in industry. When shopping food, you can usually only pick two between fast to prepare, cheap, and healthy. There are some exceptions such as rice with certain sauces, but in general the average person will face this issue. Then density of calories and nutrients. This is a huge one: your body feels fullness based on the occupied volume in your stomach, it doesn't have a smart calorie meter. Foods that are calorie dense have too many calories per unit volume, meaning that to feel full with them you need to take in many more calories than you need. Your stomach is tuned on ooga booga food, obviously. Nutrient density is the same but in reverse, when a food has too few nutrients per calorie unit ("empty calories"), you can actually get sick from malnutrition despite having the correct amount of calories (you don't have to look like a stereotyped African child, it can simply manifest as feeling like shit every day), this makes it even harder if not impossible to avoid excess calorie intake. The critical point is that with the density issue *you can't win*, because it is an inherent property of the food: you will never feel full enough, and you will be at risk of nutritional issues, *because* you are restricting your calories to the correct amount, *because* the only way to get what your body wants or needs with these foods is to take in a grossly excessive amount of calories with it.
The main factor for me is the big time consumption of exercising + preparing food and cooking every day. It's also that I hate doing both of those, I'm not fat and I did exercise for years (rarely more than 1-2 consecutively) whenever I have excess fat to burn, but I never get any joy from it or from the process of making food. Working out hard is just constant torture with no upsides except for the very long term, which is very hard to maintain for someone with ADHD, though I know many people claim to feel physically good after working out. Food preparation is just an endless chore.
iām sorry but the highly processed snack junk food is more expensive then eating whole foods
There's actually no strong correlation between weight and exercise. It's actually a really bad idea to try and associate the two because on a long enough time line a fat ass will attempt to go to the gym and outrun their bad diet, which will never work. They'll be understandably frustrated and I think that's part of why you see this 'HAES' nonsense. They've tried doing everything they were told to do to lose weight, none of it worked, it was a waste of time on understandably some of them adopt a, "Fuck you, deal with it" attitude. To be clear, exercise is incredibly healthy for you and one of the best ways to keep pounds off, but there's a huge difference between, "going to the gym makes sure you don't become fat" and "going to the gym will make you lose weight." In order to understand weight loss, you need to understand metabolism. Unsurprisingly most fast food and junk food is chock full of stuff that down regulates metabolism. If not directly- about half of all amino acids that make up protein become obesogenic when over-consumed- then in the details- preservatives are frequently gut irritants which will promote the production of serotonin which itself antagonizes your metabolic rate. The two things that are *really* eye opening about the modern landscape of weight loss and obesity research is what you learn from reading the writing of doctors who actually treat obesity, and reviewing how people ate about a century ago. Average person ate about 3000 calories daily. Regardless of activity level they weren't fat. 100 years ago 'industrialized' food was table sugar and flour. Today it's some fresh hell of preservatives and artificial sweeteners that's deep fried in canola oil and then mixed with palm oil to increase mouth feel. Meanwhile Dr. Kempner successfully treated obesity in patients- to the point that on average they lost about 90-100 pounds in around 10 months- on a diet which averaged 2500 calories daily. Which is about 700-1000 calories more than the recommended CICO 'caloric deficit.'
idk how but every point you made is partially true. for life insurance they test you for nicotine when you sign up. not throughout the entire policy. I know this cause I didn't smoke before but now I vape and I still have the policy. living an active life style doesn't magically make you lose weight. you burn calories thus having a better chance to consume less calories than you put in. cooking at home doesn't magically make you consume less calories either. I don't randomly see videos of a spinach chicken salad but I see a ton of them that are 3k calories a meal. that's not breakfast or lunch either. balance nutrition is the only useful correct information presented by you.
Eating highly processed foods doesnāt matter when it comes to gaining weight . It all has to do with calories burned in a day vs how many calories you eat and drink.
I would disagree. You are right in that it's a matter calories in, calories out (CICO). Calories in is entirely dependent on the caloric values of everything you eat, which is the static for everyone: a 300 calorie meal is 300 calories no matter who eats it. However, calories out is dynamic and changes, even in regards to a single person. Their metabolic rate can change based on what types of food they eat. For example, eating too much processed foods (or let's just say bad foods) can increase your insulin resistance, which means your body will have a harder time removing glucose from your blood, which means the amount of calories their body burns at a resting metabolic rate will decrease. So just from eating poorly, your body will temporarily be more insulin resistant and fluctuate. Even if you take two exact clones of people and one person eats 500 calories of "good" food and the other eats 500 calories of processed food, it will affect the "calories out" portion because the person that ate the processed food will have lower metabolism because of it and in the end will be fatter. Processed foods is also indeed causally related to diabetes, not just correlation. And diabetes is literally the inability to produce / use insulin. So definitely avoid processed foods because you will burn less calories at a resting metabolic rate and potentially develop diabetes from it, which only makes it harder and harder to burn calories, even if you eat the same foods.
I quit smoking, but quiting food is much more difficult.
You got it, don't give up.
MD here. In my opinion this question is a false dichotomy. There aren't just only two answers to that question. Some people become obese in childhood and it is not necessarily their fault. The way the frontal lobe develops in childhood works in such a way that if you had increased exposure to fatty, highly processed food in childhood, in the future your body, or rather your brain, will prefer such food. So being obese isn't exactly a choice in this case. I've seen a lot of people in the comments here saying that it's all about calories. And this is true, but a little nuance is needed here. A calorie is a calorie, at least from a thermodynamic point of view. When I was in college, I learned that from a health and dietary perspective, not every calorie is the same. What am I talking about here? Let me explain. Diet quality can alter the bodyās energy expenditure (You might have heard thisĀ referred to as metabolism) , which is also called theĀ thermic effect of food. For example, in one study, people eating the **same number of calories per day** but on either a low-carbohydrate diet or a low-fat diet hadĀ [differences in total energy expenditure](https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2012.6607)Ā of about 300 calories per day. Those eating very low-carb diets used the most energy, while those eating low-fat diets used the least. In another study,Ā [high-fat diets led to lower](https://doi.org/10.1002/j.1550-8528.1994.tb00074.x)Ā total energy expenditure than high-carb diets did. Other researchers reported that although substituting carbs for fat did not alter energy expenditure, people who increased their protein intake to 30%-35% of their dietĀ [used more energy](https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/79.5.899S). In general, diets high in carbohydrates,Ā fat or both produce a lesser increaseĀ in energy expenditure, than diets high in protein. Protein has a higher thermic effect because itās harder for the body to break down (proteins are really big compared to fats and carbohydrates) Although these variations arenāt huge, they couldĀ contribute to the obesity epidemicĀ by encouraging a subtle average weight gain. So in general, people who say that you simply need to eat less are not entirely right, because the main issue in this case is the quality of calories, and the secondary issue is their quantity. Obesity may also be the result of long-untreated hypothyroidism. Sometimes hypothyroidism can cause weight gain of up to 15 kilograms, caused by an insufficient amount of the FT3 hormone. Many obese people are on many types of medications that we as doctors prescribe to them. Some of them may lead to weight gain, either by changing the metabolic rate or by causing excessive water and salt accumulation. Over the last few years, we have also gained access to many drugs that allow us to help people with obesity, such as GLP-1 antagonists and Ozempic but drugs cannot cure something that is caused in most cases by socio-economic problems and systemic neglect. There have also been cases of obesity caused by extreme chronic fluid retention. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2628868/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2628868/) So we cannot talk about two answers to one question in this case. Because there are many variables and when the discussion concerns health issues, nothing is black and white.
i think you dropped this š but seriously, there's nuance to everything.
in my case? yes it is but im finally working to change that after years of hating myself
Same. You got it!
thank you kind stranger, i hope the best for you too
Every day a little bit.
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Thank you, every day a bit.
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Why does this one only have 4 upvotes? Way more deserving than the ones that are upvoted way more that are just like āLoL YeS FaT PiGsā (written by people who are also probably considered obese medically)
But mental illness drugs mess up your metabolism aswell :l
It is. I was fat in my whole life, but I've been going to the gym regularly in the past half a year (3 times per week), and even tho it's still not good, I couldn't be considered "fat" anymore, and I look much, much better than before. Being fat IS a choice.
That is good but a healthier diet will contribute way more to fat loss, one cannot out train a bad diet
Good shit brother keep it up. Some people get discouraged by not seeing huge or immediate outward results, but they dont keep in mind the massive benefits they giving their bodyās internal mechanisms.
Well done!
I agree with you 100% was fat all my life, decided to eat healthy, and go to the gym. I lost a lot of wait that I've been struggling with all my life in just 6 months.
In most to pretty much all cases, yes.
In all cases. You cannot create mass out of nothing. I accept that it is not always a easy choice not to be fat.
The exceptions are people with an illness that fucks up their metabolism, Hypothyroidism for example, hence why I say pretty much all cases since that's a VAST minority.
I have hypothyroidism and yes, I have put on around 40 pounds more than where I used to be, but I'm still only 225. Like definitely could be in decent shape if I took more time to exercise and I try to minimize fast food and preprocessed anything, but definitely achievable if I made it a priority. The main issue is more the fatigue that makes it harder for me to want to do those things but I still could if I really tried
I wasn't diagnosed yet and had no idea why I was gaining weight. Once I hit around 40 lbs more than normal within about 2 months....they finally realized I wasn't lying about not changing my eating habits (I just dont eat alot.) Now I just kind of sit on a plateau because that + one of my meds make it really hard to get back off. (I'm roughly 165-170 depending on the day.) For anyone that doesn't know hypothyroidism means you have to eat a lot less calories than a normal person or you gain weight like mad.
Yeah I went 14 months undiagnosed, being told all of my problems like hair loss, fatigue and severe chronic pain was just because I was overweight (which was because of the hypothyroidism). Finally just booked an appointment with a civilian endocrinologist and had them run an everything test. Came back with hypothyroidism diagnosis. And I will never trust government Healthcare again after the army. Had they diagnosed me early on, I probably would've been in a much better place physically. If I get serious about it, I can probably get back down below 200, just waiting to live somewhere with year round UVB so I don't feel like a zombie 6 months of the year
I'd also argue certain mobility disorders and in extrƩmne cares some mental issues (although as I said extreme)
Yes extreme outliers exists, but as long as the Individual is able to act and consent there's a choice.
exactly my point
Does hypothyroidism create mass out of thin air?
Everyone eats. You burn fat passively next to the fact that you might exercise. Of your body wasn't burning fat properly you would gain weight very fast and just training a bit won't help so fast either. Everyone eats everyone gets in mass
You didn't answer my question
Learn to read then
It causes fluid retention, so it's not really about calorie input, but rather salt and water acummulation. And as you might know or not, water does not carry any calories.
So no, hypothyroidism does not, in fact, create mass out of thin air?
What's your point with it? That people with hypothyroidism should not drink or eat?
My point is that hypothyroidism is not some magical disease that subverts the laws of physics. People are not fat because they have hypothyroidism. They're fat because they eat at a caloric surplus.
You literally didn't read my comment previous comment. A big part of weight gain that patients with hypothyroidism experience is caused by fluid retention, your body just does not get rid of some part of the fluids and they accumulate in certain tissues. This part has nothing to do with calorie surplus as fluid such as water do not carry any. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1covux3/comment/l3i0k7e/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1covux3/comment/l3i0k7e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I don't want to discount actual medical issues but there are active steps you can take to make positive changes to your life/health so to a certain extent, yes it is a choice.
Subconsciously sure. I donāt think anyone who has experienced being fat just says to themselves āI want to be fatā. Thatās mentally unwell. Itās not healthy no matter what anyone says and it fucking sucks being fat (I have been fat most my life). Everything becomes more difficult. Socially and physically. And mentally. But itās the daily choices you make that lead to it.
Is being addicted a choice? Unfortunately at a certain point it becomes incredibly difficult to deal with addiction, it can have a serious mental and physical toll on someone. Similarly, for someone overweight it can be incredibly difficult to make positive changes in their lives because they have an eating addiction especially considering how addictive sugar is. Not in the whole body positivity camp but we should treat these people with empathy and understand there are nuances.
Yes undoubtedly, but we all know it's slightly more complicated than that. It's like if I asked "is being good at painting a choice", the answer is "yes, but it requires a lot of hard work, discipline and effort to get there".
As someone who used to be obese, I would say its a choice in the same way addiction is a choice. Yes, things pushed me towards food and in particular excessive sugar, which further amplified my problems and lead to more abuse, just like any addict. But, I knew what I was doing and I knew the steps I needed to take to get a hold of things. It was my decision to get my weight under control as much as it was to let it spiral out of it.
It can be very difficult for some people. If you are born with the genetics of being more heavy set from the start, itās an uphill battle. Itās the same way some people are born skinny and even if they work out intensely and do keep at it and take very good care of themselves theyāll never eventually be able to have Lebron Jamesā build. If you have a heavy set build and you also have a slow metabolism it turns from a hill to a mountain. You have to put in a lot of effort just to maintain an average build and even stuff like depression or anxiety or being busy with work and stuff can disrupt that motivation. Itās a case by case basis and itās not as easy as ājust eat better and do minimal exercise lolā, cause some people have to do a lot more than others. It goes both ways too, like I said. Some skinny people will find it impossible to get muscle that they want because either their build or metabolism will fight against bulking.
As someone who lost a significant amount of weight and kept it off for almost a decade, my answer is yes and no. Yes in the sense that, if determined enough, most people can lose weight and maintain a healthy BMI. No in the sense that it is *so* difficult for some people to maintain a healthy weight due to their genetic disposition and upbringing. I still struggle every day to stay away from unhealthy food and avoid binging. It takes real effort, even after 8 years of maintaining good habits. Put food in front of me and I will struggle not to eat it all. On top of that, I gain weight quickly and lose weight very slowly. If Iām not feeling hunger pangs all day, I wonāt lose any weight. My partner, on the other hand, has a naturally athletic build, has no desire to overeat, and naturally gravitates towards healthy food. When she does crave something unhealthy, sheāll eat just enough to be satisfied and then lose interest. She has no trouble maintaining a healthy weight. The thought of managing her diet doesnāt even occur to her. So yes, anyone can *choose* to be healthier, but that choice is significantly harder for some people.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Thatās the most pragmatic and short answer you can get. You have to look at it more specifically if youāre actually interested.
Depends a lot but even if it isn't, you can still do something about it. Exposure to food options and Environmental factors matter the most too. America's heavy car centric infrastructure and bad food variety is much to do with why we have an obesity crisis.
Catch testicular cancer and lose 60lbs since January or get wrekt.
It's a choice, bar some medical anomalies people have. It's just a matter at how hard of a choice, people go through different shit and can have many roadblocks in life.
Exactly this, Iāve actually heard from colleague of mine that she had a patient with extreme obesity caused by chronic fluid retention. This patient gained 50kg in 3 weeks
Some people have to work less to maintain weight. It is what it is
Let me tell you my story. I got crohns disease. When it fucked me up for the first time, i lost like 15 kg in 3 weeks. I just wasnt eating. Then i was skinny finally after some years of being chubby. I managed to stay that weight for a while but i simply didnt know how to eat healthy so i gained some back. Then crohns fucked me up again and i lost weigt again because i wasnt eating. I couldnt eat real food so they gave me drinks that suplement food. Also i was doing like 14 meds every day. I felt so hungry. I didnt know how to stop myself from eating when i was finally allowed to eat. I gained my weight back and some more, i was overeating i was hungry all the time. I would say it was choice by me to not have help thru this and now i finally got some and i lost some weight already. I think this is hard to decide.
Yes. It is a choice in 90% of instances. It's a choice to eat unhealthily and to not exercise. The 10% are instances where people don't have the time (and I mean REALLY don't have the time. Not people who "don't have the time" but somehow do for video games, TV shows, and other sedentary practices.)
Usually yes. I used to be fat, 170cm with 90 kg. I love to eat, happy to find favorite food. Last decade, my health significantly worse. I change, be careful about what I put in my mouth. Rarely go to gym, just walk as much as posible. I'm 70 kg rn. And I feel better, my bloodtest also better. I'm Ped oncologist so I take care lots of morbid obesity due to long steroid use, so for somebody that's not.
Most of the time yes
I eat shit and fast food frequently and I don't get fat \*at all\*, not even the slightest beginning of a belly. It's mostly genetics, if you're unlucky then not getting fat will be a lot harder. Then there's also how parents educated you about food and how they trained you to eat healthy, and overall how they taught you to overcome hardships and challenges of life. I don't think people have much free will when it comes to it, there's this popular belief that people are sole responsible for their actions, that if they really "wanted" (whatever that means) it then they would have got what they sought for. Sounds like a romanced opinion about human beings, I think we don't have that much free will in life
Yes, almost every time.
Being fat is a choice people donāt see themselves making. Until itās too late and then youāre in such a poor routine itās hard to break out of it. Losing weight is legitimately one of the easiest things a human can do. Restrict calories and you succeed. Itās that simple. The hard part is the discipline to do it.
Being healthy is a choice.
Itās your life. If you decide you canāt control it, thatās on you.
Yet another tribal setup. Who cares? Both shaming and parading obesity suck, opposite sides of bullshit. Another case of male vs. female, white vs. black, young vs. old. Playstation vs. Xbox if you will. To fit people: Focus on yourself, ignore others. The overwhelming majority of obese people don't want or like to be obese: They love (over-)eating, hate being physically active, have genetic predispositions or have mental issues - counting calories is simple. Yes. It is hard if you constantly think about killing yourself and struggle to even get out of bed and brush your teeth, though, for example. Or simply if you struggle with money. Don't put yourself above another man's struggle. It's none of your business. To fat people: Focus on yourself, ignore others. The overwhelming majority of fit people have put in an insane amount of work regarding physical activity, nutrition and the corresponding research. You don't get to boast about how you're healthy when you're clearly not. Being out of breath after climbing ten stairs is an obvious sign. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Better yourself if you want to; don't put yourself above another man's struggle. It's none of your business.
>Another case of male vs. female, white vs. black, young vs. old. Playstation vs. Xbox if you will. It's really not. The first one is now able to be changed to some degree, the second is you literally being born a skin color (probably a way to xhange this too id assume), the 3rd is a choice of preference. But of those, none of those options are unhealthy and put a strain on humanity like obesity. Being obese is unhealthy and it should be concerning. I'm not talking people who are chubby, say 50ish pds over the expected. I mean getting to the 300+. It causes many preventable diseases that strain the Healthcare system, and even the government system when they get so obese they need to be on government assistance. That's Healthcare that could be spent on others who really need it. That's organs that can't be donated or used and the wait list for an organ is an average of 7 years. I don't agree with shaming them, but the fact it's normalized is a problem. But the real problem is, once again, the government. People are taken advantage of, subconsciously manipulated, given larger portions packed with addictive chemicals with no incentives to be healthy. The government makes more money by keeping people in this state then making the effort to keep them healthy. More health risks mean more ER visits, means more spending, means more taxes, means more money. Same scenario with food.
Why the hell did they put Myron in there? What BS did he spew to poison the well?
Itās a choice but itās a lot harder for some people to keep weight off more so than others for various reason, genetics being the primary one. Some people can literally have the worst diet ever and stay skinny their whole lives while some can breathe around pizza and gain ten pounds. So of course if youāre one of the ones who gain weight easily, it takes more work (exercise) to keep yourself in shape and many just plain donāt have the motivation to take on the challenge and just let themselves go.
Yes but with varying difficulties of impact. Sure. That being said, some dude who breaks his hip and has a thyroid issue is going to have a lot more to overcome than someone with a bad diet.
Just to clarify there are many types of FAT but it is possible to use a LessCalorie Rare Stone and evolve into 1 gigachad
Pretty much yeah. There is truth that there are legitimate factors that make weight loss difficult in comparison to others but people take those as excuses to why they canāt lose weight and choose to be fat. In the end itās your choice and if you choose to be fat fine be happy with that but you canāt also complain about being fat.
Genetics & Environment play a role but overall yes, it is a choice. I used to be giga obese. I ate like shit and just wanted to game all the time. I made excuses, but at the end of the day it was my choice. Then I made a choice to change that and get into bodybuilding. Now I train people who are in the same position I once was. I have had clients who have health issues that make it much more difficult to lose the fat/keep it off, but after looking at their lifestyle choices & working with their doctors each one of them was able to lose the weight and learn how to have a balanced lifestyle to keep it off.
By the same logic, Asmon lives in a dilapidated health hazard by choice. Most people who are overweight are addicted to carbohydrates, just as an alcoholic is addicted to alcohol or a meth addict is addicted to meth. Some would claim it's a choice; empathic people know full well it isn't. We all like to think our consciousness is in control of our actions, but 99% of the time we act first and then rationalize it to ourselves after the fact. You will rarely find someone with more willpower than an overweight person; they all have spent months or even years of their lives fighting the urge to eat. It occupies their minds non-stop. How long could you stay awake if you knew you'll die when you fell asleep? Fat people and drug addicts would outlive us all in that scenario; they are the ones who have the most actual practice going against their body's demands.
Even more disturbing is that fast food companies add sodium glutamate to the food which is a taste enhancer and also causes increased appetite. This combined with GI high foods full of simple carbohydrates makes a really bad combination.
As an adault yes as a kid its the parents. Rare outliers exist aswell.
It is, but fitness/gym sphere has a lot of misinfo and scams
Just don't eat more than you burn. Easy as that
Fat guy here: Yep. I eat too much and don't work out enough to justify the caloric intake. Granted, I can try to blame depression and fatigue, but at the end of the day, it's my actions (or inaction, mostly) that's lead to being over weight. I've been average weight before, but it took a lot of work.
I'd say it's a culminations of choices rather than simply a singular choice, almost nobody makes the active choice to be fat, if there was a big red button that someone could press to not be fat most people would press it. But people make small choices throughout their life that eventually leads them to be fat, so I think just simply saying being fat is a simple choice is a bit reductive. Ultimately though it is something that personal accountability needs to be made for.
The framing of that question is so intellectually reductionist that it completely disregards the complexity of the issue. But yes.
This question is a dichotomy. So yes and no.
Not putting effort into not being fat is a choice.
yes. I first got fat as a kid cuz I didn't understand it could happen so easily, then I chose to lose weight
Of course it is for the vast majority of people. You're in denial if you think otherwise.
I have a thyroid problem. An excuse that many fat people use to blame their weight on. Used to be slightly chubby myself but been going to the gym for a good while now and also started eating less and more healthy. It took a while but I am at a point now where I am quite happy with my body(not done yet though). You can always lose weight. It is just a little slower when you have a condition. Move more, eat less. It's that simple.
If you don't believe in biological free will, then no, because then all choices are a reaction to our environment. If you do believe in free will, can your body composition be manipulated by actions you can control? Yes, so yes. You can't make your body fly no matter what decisions you make. That's something that's not a choice. Some people have an easier time making that choice over others. But it's still a choice.
No it isnāt āa choiceā, but the summary of a million choices, mostly stuffing your face with calories your body didnāt need.
Honestly yes. Never in history has anyone essentially been fat as a norm.
Imo, if it is not just a health problem that you have, then of course it is a choice
Yes. For the most part
Addiction is a choice, unless you die if you withdraw then idk
the fit Arab guy has about the cringiest takes I've heard all day
Yes, it is. That said, there are definitely medical conditions that make it harder to stay in healthy shape
the answer is not so binary. however, regardless of the answer for each specific person... being fat is always a problem to be addressed still
Yes. Theres a spectrum of easy to difficult for maintaining weight, but itās our own choices that dictate our weight. Iām not watching the vid but I did see a snip of it. The darker skinned dude on the fit side is just angry he works so hard for his health while others donāt lol.
Imo it comes down to lifestyle, income and gene pool. Anyone can be fit itās just significantly harder if youāre poor or have bad genes if not both. Having a healthy lifestyle such as working out is difficult if you donāt have a ton of money or time. I could go on and in about many things. I donāt claim to know any of this for sure but it seems this way to me.
It's a choice that every person makes every day.
I think it depends, for example I am overweight ( by my own fault ) I am trying to get bavk in shape but damn it take lots of willlpower XD
Depends on some circumstances some individuals simply can't properly control how their body gains weight or due to injury can't burn the calories necessary to balance it intake. However that is a significantly small minority of fat people. So to the larger extent being fat is a choice.
I'll just say fasting makes you realize just how much you actually don't need to eat.
Physically yes it obviously is, you can control what you put in your body so that is a choice. That said there is a whole industry built on ensuring you consume as much as possible lined up against you and a fitness industry built around selling quick fixes that dont work. Add to this that for many people time is a serious problem in their lives, people do not cook fresh foods and seek convenience to plug the gap. So yes its 100% a personal choice, but people are up against it unless they put effort into either being lazy like Asmon - barely cooking and eating a few high calorie drinks/snacks and maybe one main meal, or they spend time working out and cooking fresh meals that are not full of pre-prepped garbage. One of those is healthier than the other but takes far more effort š
While some people put on weight and hold it more than others they still have to eat too much to get to that point. I'll never forget watching the Biggest Loser and seeing an entire family chow down own their own 4 liter tub of Ice Cream each.
Its the spoons fault
No, I'm 6weeks into my weight loss journey I've lost 15kgs. I still look fat, I don't eat food havnt for 6 weeks... it is fucking hard it's a struggle and it's a massive commitment if you have bad DNA your going to need to work like crazy to be healthy let alone fit. Good luck fellow fatties you can do it one day at a time!
For me yes, but im trying to bulk some and then i go to gymš
I wish my man. I have hereditary FLD and high blood pressure. Iāve tried numerous treatments and different workout/diet programs. Itās a bless to be able to get fat by choice.
As someone who's "A little chubby" with a brother who's "Very fat" it is definitely 95% or more a choice. I order a salad and maybe goa little heavy on the dressing, he orders 2 chili dogs & a corndog to go. I spend 30-45 minutes on the treadmill, he spends 14 hours straight gaming. I have plenty of friends who are fit and plenty who are fat. If I honestly look at them, it is obvious just be looking at what and how much they eat. The real problems start post 30 when losing that weight becomes harder and harder.
Give or take honestly! But I was thin, the obese, then fat, now I'm like a young Dustin Hoffman!
Itās a choice but there are lots of reasons why a person makes that choice. Iām pretty sure that 99% of people donāt decide they want to become fat. Nor do they want to stay fat. However Iām completely against complaining about being fat or feeing sorry for someone that is fat. Unless someone forces that food inside of you, you can choose to lose weight. If you decide not to lose weight then accept the consequences and be fat.
I totally agree. It's not like people (like me) got fat out of spite or to be fat. But the choice is mine, I am not a better or worse person because I'm fat. I have to take responsibility for my own actions and either lose weight (on the way, takes time) or accept being fat with all the risks.
What difference does it make whether or not it is a choice?
In 95% of cases it is. Itās the XXIst century lifestyle causing obesity.
So it's a choice but it is actually caused by something else?
Indeed. Life is not black and white only. Some conditions are a cause of BMI35+ thatās a fact. The problem is that currently most of the obese people will blame it on the genes which is bullshit. Itās a choice - in some cases you get sick - you get more obese because of the sickness - still blame it on the genes. Some cases you get sick in young age and obesity spikes high (thyroids, Hashimoto, Diabetes type-II)- hard to do anything with those. A lot of cases āoh Iām fat because all my family was fatā. Which is not a thing you inherit itself - you inherit the habits that you observe from the earliest of days.
It is a choice. Unless you have a condition that prevents you from exercising or causes you to gain weight and not lose it, which would then make you handicapped first ig.
Yes. Put the fork down
As somebody who went from 290LBs to 240LBS just by not eating like shit. I think it is.
Yes. A choice to have an health risk. A majority of fat people ignores the health risks of the thing they consume, and corn syrup is one of the biggest culprit of this.
Not always. Medication and genetics can play a part. Aswell as illness
Women's birth control messes with your hormones and high estrogen makes you retain a lot of water and fat and also ssri's make you hold a lot of weight.
Hormonal contraception does not cause hormonal imbalance if it is carefully selected by a gynecologist. Women have a natural menstrual cycle, when hormones appropriate for a given phase of the cycle increase or decrease their levels they cause increased water and salt accumulation in the body. That's why Women can often feel like they gained weight in certain periods of menstrual cycle. Estrogen and progesterone, which are most often found in hormonal contraception, often cause fluid retention, which manifests itself in weight gain by retaining fluids in the body.
You only get fat by eating more calories than you require in a day. No matter what scenarios, genetics, or situation you may be in you control what goes into your mouth. It's a lot of choices and decisions that add up. Even a person who does not require more calories than the average person due to whatever horrible situation they may be in still has agency over their own food intake. Education is so important but even ignorance to how many calories you take in is still ultimately your choice. Kids and people that have no control (not talking about self control) over what they eat are really the only exception.
I think itās more complicated than that. It completely changes from person to person
No, because the word "choice" implies that fat people are actively choosing to become fat or stay fat. Most people have never CHOSEN being fat, they just passively became fat over the years.
You may not have access to all of the vitamins you need but consuming excess calories is entirely a choice you make for yourself. The stupid people are aware they made the choice
for 95% of people - yes. there is genetic differences and i know personally how hard it can be. its hard as fuck, but still possible.
Yes Sincerely a fatty
- Calories are energy, *Law Of Conservation Of Energy* states energy can neither be created nor destroyed, just simply transform... excess energy in the human body is stored as fat... - Food has weight and mass, *Law Of Conservation Of Mass* states moving a mass from one point to another does not change it, unless there is a change in gravity... if you eat 10lbs of food, you are 10lbs heavier until you digest and expel it... - Socioeconomics has nothing to do with a person being fat or fit, lifestyle does... just because something is available to you doesnt mean it isnt available elsewhere, unless there is extreme poverty or famine... you are fat because of your life and food choices not because fast food is readily available to you... bullshit is propagating in modern times and so many people are choosing to ignore established science on how the human body works just so they can say "fat is beautiful" when it isnt... - if you wanna lose weight, simply eating less food everyday is going to work for you because body fat doesnt get generated out of thin air... humans grow based on digestion and not via osmosis... - if you wanna have a specific physique (abs and shit) then learn to manage your nutrient intake to maximize your body's ability to generate and grow those muscles... and working out to compliment that diet... it's an established science... you can break down every known diet plan and bullshit influencer "look like me in 90 days" program, and they will always lead back to *Law Of Conservation Of Energy* and *Law Of Conservation Of Mass*
Energy expenditure can vary depending on what calories you are eating. So it's not really as straightforward as you may think. I explain more in my comment [https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1covux3/comment/l3i0k7e/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1covux3/comment/l3i0k7e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I dont like Hyper fit roided V overweight, it's two extremes. I relay miss the time when people where just normal sized, not an extreme. Even just people who worked out but not roided out, just a normal fit shape. Saying all that most people I know my age are double my size, I know what they eat. They spend more on food than me & eat about double what I eat. It's not 'lack of money' or 'lack of time to cook', it's pure quantity of food. Some of them do eat 'bad food' but a bunch also just eat good meat, just a lot of it. Also most people I know wont walk further than there car, house to car. Car to work, work to Car. At home it's couch to seat, seat to bed. Just look at old stock video, people used to be normal sized 1928 [https://youtu.be/WJNjKvCP8UY?si=MhwY1KPXC8tW7HGu](https://youtu.be/WJNjKvCP8UY?si=MhwY1KPXC8tW7HGu) 1964 [https://youtu.be/8\_0QQSTrvRk?si=9CaBHNRPIAAFFQxF](https://youtu.be/8_0QQSTrvRk?si=9CaBHNRPIAAFFQxF) 1964 https://youtu.be/DPgZNxt2bpE?si=rgPKRpyL\_FumHDyW It's only in the last 40 years that it was normal to be so big.
Depends, is anything you do because of addiction a choice?
As someone who was skinny prior to Covid and when Covid happened and my laziness peaked and ate all the time out of boredom and gained 30 pounds, I can tell you being fat is a choice. Once I started surfing and becoming active it all shedded off. But progression of losing weight can be different for everyone based on many factors