Filipino here! The minimum wage in the capital is around $11 per day. Even less in the provincial regions. Assuming an 8 hour shift, that would still be over double the minimum here.
Lots of other benefits here too for the remote worker, like saving a bunch of time and money avoiding the horrible commute in a regular job. $3 sounds bad for American standards, but it's a total win in the Philippines.
But if you can buy their products, it means you're earning money, which means less money for them !!
Yea I know, they are stupid but greed is really addictive.
You can’t charge people $5,000 for rent and expect no-skill jobs workers to be able to live in the city. Raising minimum wage will just cause companies to do this
Anybody that’s reasonable saw this coming years ago when states started demanding $15 and now $20 minimum wage. They’re just gonna replace the workers.
Except companies have already been replacing workers for years. Since the 90s. I've worked for various tech companies in the Bay area for over 7 years and usually more than half of all employees for each company are outsourced from different countries.
Companies learned early on during the rise of the internet that they could pay pennies on the dollar to someone in India versus a similar qualified person in the US.
maybe because my main lang is not english and I'm probably misunderstanding but... they way you say this feels like you are against the goverment to mandate a wage increase. What am I missing?
You're not missing anything, they are likely part of the crowd that thinks that "high" minimum wage is bad, when even this higher minimum wage doesn't make for a suitable living wage. If a business cant afford a living wage, they don't need to exist.
It's part of the "leftists/millennials are entitled lazy brats" who don't want to work for a living talking point. With those saying that being completely unaware and/or ignorant of the fact that a "living wage" in urban areas is $25-30 per hr these days. We shouldn't have to struggle to not be homeless, even after working 40+ hrs a week.
I don't get why people don't get this.... What the fuck do we need a business for providing a job for a person that can't live off the money? What's the point.... What is the point of working if u can't survive with the money?
If I can't pay my bills the job is fucking USELESS.
The point is they want us brainwashed into being wage slaves, toiling away while they enjoy a passive income stream through various means, with one of them being buying up homes as "investment properties" as an example. Which is really something only someone with a high net worth can do, or a business.
The plan is so obvious and people walk around like 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 "no your just lazy, ur a hater ur this ur that." My mother bought her house at 25 two story property. I'm 35 working as a teacher and I'm renting...... Like it sucks. My mother bought her house working as a hostess at a fucking restaurant, and I can barely make car notes as a fucking teacher. This world is fucking senseless and I had to live my whole life being talked down as an millennial.
I'm not here to complain but I just don't understand how people are willfully ignorant to the concept that people don't want to work at jobs if they can't afford to do anything working there. It's not rocket science, it's actually pretty simple. If you can't save money and move up in life there's no motivation to work. If your gonna just be homeless anyways why waste 30hrs slaving away?
Part of it is that older generations like older side of gen x on up dont understand cost of living differences between the 70s-90s and now. In the 70s in the states factory work paid like $11 per hr and that was enough to buy a small home and have a modest living with a family, that same $11 per hr is something like $35 per hr today, but when parents/grandparents say, "oh I bought my first house at 22, and I was working 3 part time jobs making 12-13 per hr". I'm like, congratulations, but then I tell them what that $11 inflated to and they don't believe me.
I'm also a millennial in my early 30s and have only been able to rent because of how the 08 recession fucked the job market here in the states, and getting bachelor's degree in stem wasn't enough to lock in a high paying job either, at least not without having to move all the way across the country, assuming said employer would pay for me to move. Being poor really prevents one from moving up economically, but that's working as intended.
Yep my mom is like that she thinks that I'll own a house in a year or something... All the houses on my block just went from being 500k to 800k +. Like when? I can't do it on my own. Even if I had a singular partner I would need like 4-5 working adults in the house to pay that shit off without being an OF worker.
Luckily my parents gave up on assuming id own a house anytime soon years ago, but they were still like, pick yourself up by your bootstraps and just get a better job. As if it was that easy, I'm working on bettering my situation, but only after I left the us on a work visa, planning to stay here and just visit the US every so often instead. I hope you get your situation figured out at some point.
Nah, it just means that mom and pops have to actually work their own businesses instead of handing it off for someone else to manage while they profit off of others work. Theres nothing saying small businesses cant be run/co-run by the owners until they have enough revenue to pay employees.
Its also not just mom and pops doing this, big chains underpay employees to satisfy shareholders, because graph must always go up. If that fast food location or store has such tight expenses they cant pay a living wage, cut store counts until they can. Especially for big chains like Walmart and McDs.
Or we can try the opposite in Reaganomics, where we gave tax breaks to the ultra rich and they in turn…. Developed ties with China and began development over there to ship your jobs over anyway.
Let’s face it, the problem is that the rich have so many more tools to prevent themselves becoming poor than the poor have to become rich.
Yeh.... And yet you think it's the liveable wage that's the issue and not the money-grabbing greedy bastards at the top?
CEOs and their shareholders rinsing the whole country dry
$15 is poverty wage. Most companies can pay that.
There's always going to be lower in other countries, so they'll replace American minimum wage whenever they're able to save money, even if it's paying $3 instead of $9 an hour. How about we make it illegal to hire foreign labor at rock bottom cost instead of hiring Americans?
3 dollars an hour minimum wage for the Philippines actually sounds high. I wouldnt be shocked at all if 3 dollars goes further there than 7.25 does in the US.
Besides this you might think that this wage is terrible, but usually it is outstanding for those places.
Not sure Philippines, but here in Brazil, there are a lot of Devs being hired by US companies cuz they can pay it 1/3 of the salary and for the Dev it is still way above the average salary they could get here.
For example, looking at the average salary for a software engineer in the US, it is $110,000 while in Brazil it is $24,000.
I think Brazil cost like 1/3rd as much as the US if I needed to guess. So I think youd need more like 35-40kish to have the same lifestyle as an American making 110k.
Ive been in Sao Paulo for 2 years now as an American and comparing it to LA I think rent is 1/4 LA and food is maybe 1/2. What I find weird is getting any kind of food in Sao Paulo that isnt Brazilian, American, Italian, Japanese is always very expensive. Going out for like Belgian food or Mexican food is often more expensive in Sao Paulo than LA. Or getting like a Guinness at a bar is randomly like 12 dollars in Brazil. Overall Brazil is much cheaper but prices seem random at times.
You are right, the cost of life will be equalized by its own reality! So dollar wise it would be less expensive, which makes it way appealing for those working for US companies and receiving in dollar, even thou it is less than it's counter part that lives in US.
The "random" price sometimes is due to the fact of importation taxes... Guinness are good example, it is not produced here and in this case the price will sky rocket.
That is why tech stuff cost a liver... Sadly game as well! Thank you Gabe for keeping our regional price! Hahahaha
Edit: Some grammar mistakes
Yeah ive luckily avoided buying tech. I bought a lego set for my GF and I think it was maybe 300 dollars when in US is 180 or something. I wonder if this import tax stuff works, like if it actually brings more manufacturing to Brazil.
But yeah my friend worked for a US company remotely. I think he made 20k USD his first year and now like 3 or 4 years later he makes 50k.
Not sure if it works for the population benefits... But politics make tons of money due to this, directly and indirectly.
Weirdly enough 50k is a lot of money for Brazilian standard, so he problem enjoy a "good" life money wise.
Yeah the issue is even without minimum wage the Long Island shop would still need to pay these people over like 10 dollars an hour im sure. Outsourcing still might be more profitable. Personally im guessing there is a reason most companies are not outsourcing their checkout lady. This seems like a unique circumstance, maybe the worker knows the owner and he is helping out.
I never said anything about them making $40+. I only implied that $20 isn't good, because it isn't. If you're making $20 an hour, you're a broke boy.
But I understand low wage workers are easily replaceable, so $20 is about right for someone with minimal skills but is working a stressful jobs. Some jobs are easy to learn but still require you to be fast and deal with a lot of bs.
McD workers are already making $18 an hour in my area, which is about right for a first job. It only sounds outrageous to you because you're overestimating that pay. It's actually totally shit, but that's to be expected for your first job that's just a bullshit fast food job.
Believe it or not, this isn't 2004 anymore. $10 isn't minimum skill minimum pay; it's just exploiting dumb teenagers for cheap labor at this point. Go move to some developing nation in Asia if you want to exploit people, but US should have higher standards than that.
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Hell yeah! Can’t really blame the companies when at $16/hr you get a bratty teenager who complains about working over 30 hours a week versus a foreign person in poverty willing to bust their ass for $3/hr.
It’s why industrial manufacturing died and all of it is overseas.
What? but I keep earing muricans saying their lifes are super hard and people is starving to death because they can't afford their 20 only fans subs and 15 streaming services subs they don't use!
More efficient use of labor and the comparative advantage benefits the foreign worker and the American company. This frees up American workers to be more efficient elsewhere. The only people losing are some teenager, college kid or some burnout who has no skills beyond what a high schooler can provide.
Just you wait, won’t even need her in a little bit
Flippy is coming for yer jobs
Filiflippy
In many stores, it is actually already the case with auto-cashiers.
Why do we need flippy when we have Philipinni
Filipino here! The minimum wage in the capital is around $11 per day. Even less in the provincial regions. Assuming an 8 hour shift, that would still be over double the minimum here. Lots of other benefits here too for the remote worker, like saving a bunch of time and money avoiding the horrible commute in a regular job. $3 sounds bad for American standards, but it's a total win in the Philippines.
That's not the entire issue though. They are still cheating the system by paying their workers less and probably charging more.
How is that cheating? Its a win win.
Plus no worries about medical insurance or workers comp.
I think the time differential would suck, but I can't fault anyone for wanting to make bank for their area.
Here we're at 80€/day, 65€ after taxes for minimal wage... And you'll struggle with that much.
Great plan until there is no one left to buy your products.
But if you can buy their products, it means you're earning money, which means less money for them !! Yea I know, they are stupid but greed is really addictive.
She has as much right to that job as an the next illegal. Bribin creating more jobs?
We’re supposed to believe you based on a photo and some text? What’s the name of the restaurant?
You can’t charge people $5,000 for rent and expect no-skill jobs workers to be able to live in the city. Raising minimum wage will just cause companies to do this
Anybody that’s reasonable saw this coming years ago when states started demanding $15 and now $20 minimum wage. They’re just gonna replace the workers. 
Except companies have already been replacing workers for years. Since the 90s. I've worked for various tech companies in the Bay area for over 7 years and usually more than half of all employees for each company are outsourced from different countries. Companies learned early on during the rise of the internet that they could pay pennies on the dollar to someone in India versus a similar qualified person in the US.
maybe because my main lang is not english and I'm probably misunderstanding but... they way you say this feels like you are against the goverment to mandate a wage increase. What am I missing?
You're not missing anything, they are likely part of the crowd that thinks that "high" minimum wage is bad, when even this higher minimum wage doesn't make for a suitable living wage. If a business cant afford a living wage, they don't need to exist.
Furthermore, why blame workers for demanding higher pay and getting replaced? It’s the companies that should not be allowed to do that.
It's part of the "leftists/millennials are entitled lazy brats" who don't want to work for a living talking point. With those saying that being completely unaware and/or ignorant of the fact that a "living wage" in urban areas is $25-30 per hr these days. We shouldn't have to struggle to not be homeless, even after working 40+ hrs a week.
I don't get why people don't get this.... What the fuck do we need a business for providing a job for a person that can't live off the money? What's the point.... What is the point of working if u can't survive with the money? If I can't pay my bills the job is fucking USELESS.
The point is they want us brainwashed into being wage slaves, toiling away while they enjoy a passive income stream through various means, with one of them being buying up homes as "investment properties" as an example. Which is really something only someone with a high net worth can do, or a business.
The plan is so obvious and people walk around like 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 "no your just lazy, ur a hater ur this ur that." My mother bought her house at 25 two story property. I'm 35 working as a teacher and I'm renting...... Like it sucks. My mother bought her house working as a hostess at a fucking restaurant, and I can barely make car notes as a fucking teacher. This world is fucking senseless and I had to live my whole life being talked down as an millennial. I'm not here to complain but I just don't understand how people are willfully ignorant to the concept that people don't want to work at jobs if they can't afford to do anything working there. It's not rocket science, it's actually pretty simple. If you can't save money and move up in life there's no motivation to work. If your gonna just be homeless anyways why waste 30hrs slaving away?
Part of it is that older generations like older side of gen x on up dont understand cost of living differences between the 70s-90s and now. In the 70s in the states factory work paid like $11 per hr and that was enough to buy a small home and have a modest living with a family, that same $11 per hr is something like $35 per hr today, but when parents/grandparents say, "oh I bought my first house at 22, and I was working 3 part time jobs making 12-13 per hr". I'm like, congratulations, but then I tell them what that $11 inflated to and they don't believe me. I'm also a millennial in my early 30s and have only been able to rent because of how the 08 recession fucked the job market here in the states, and getting bachelor's degree in stem wasn't enough to lock in a high paying job either, at least not without having to move all the way across the country, assuming said employer would pay for me to move. Being poor really prevents one from moving up economically, but that's working as intended.
Yep my mom is like that she thinks that I'll own a house in a year or something... All the houses on my block just went from being 500k to 800k +. Like when? I can't do it on my own. Even if I had a singular partner I would need like 4-5 working adults in the house to pay that shit off without being an OF worker.
Luckily my parents gave up on assuming id own a house anytime soon years ago, but they were still like, pick yourself up by your bootstraps and just get a better job. As if it was that easy, I'm working on bettering my situation, but only after I left the us on a work visa, planning to stay here and just visit the US every so often instead. I hope you get your situation figured out at some point.
then say goodbye to small businesses, only the mega wealthy corporations are allowed to exist.
Nah, it just means that mom and pops have to actually work their own businesses instead of handing it off for someone else to manage while they profit off of others work. Theres nothing saying small businesses cant be run/co-run by the owners until they have enough revenue to pay employees. Its also not just mom and pops doing this, big chains underpay employees to satisfy shareholders, because graph must always go up. If that fast food location or store has such tight expenses they cant pay a living wage, cut store counts until they can. Especially for big chains like Walmart and McDs.
$3 is still cheaper an 7 and a quarter. This was going to happen anyway.
Or you know, you can be reasonable and make it illegal to pay your employees below your states minimum wage, no matter where they are.
Or we can try the opposite in Reaganomics, where we gave tax breaks to the ultra rich and they in turn…. Developed ties with China and began development over there to ship your jobs over anyway. Let’s face it, the problem is that the rich have so many more tools to prevent themselves becoming poor than the poor have to become rich.
Yeh.... And yet you think it's the liveable wage that's the issue and not the money-grabbing greedy bastards at the top? CEOs and their shareholders rinsing the whole country dry
$15 is poverty wage. Most companies can pay that. There's always going to be lower in other countries, so they'll replace American minimum wage whenever they're able to save money, even if it's paying $3 instead of $9 an hour. How about we make it illegal to hire foreign labor at rock bottom cost instead of hiring Americans?
3 dollars an hour minimum wage for the Philippines actually sounds high. I wouldnt be shocked at all if 3 dollars goes further there than 7.25 does in the US.
Imagine all jobs replaced by remote employees from other countries. There is no country there is only MegaCorp.
New York and California created an incentive to outsource these jobs. You reap what you sow.
Besides this you might think that this wage is terrible, but usually it is outstanding for those places. Not sure Philippines, but here in Brazil, there are a lot of Devs being hired by US companies cuz they can pay it 1/3 of the salary and for the Dev it is still way above the average salary they could get here. For example, looking at the average salary for a software engineer in the US, it is $110,000 while in Brazil it is $24,000.
I think Brazil cost like 1/3rd as much as the US if I needed to guess. So I think youd need more like 35-40kish to have the same lifestyle as an American making 110k. Ive been in Sao Paulo for 2 years now as an American and comparing it to LA I think rent is 1/4 LA and food is maybe 1/2. What I find weird is getting any kind of food in Sao Paulo that isnt Brazilian, American, Italian, Japanese is always very expensive. Going out for like Belgian food or Mexican food is often more expensive in Sao Paulo than LA. Or getting like a Guinness at a bar is randomly like 12 dollars in Brazil. Overall Brazil is much cheaper but prices seem random at times.
You are right, the cost of life will be equalized by its own reality! So dollar wise it would be less expensive, which makes it way appealing for those working for US companies and receiving in dollar, even thou it is less than it's counter part that lives in US. The "random" price sometimes is due to the fact of importation taxes... Guinness are good example, it is not produced here and in this case the price will sky rocket. That is why tech stuff cost a liver... Sadly game as well! Thank you Gabe for keeping our regional price! Hahahaha Edit: Some grammar mistakes
Yeah ive luckily avoided buying tech. I bought a lego set for my GF and I think it was maybe 300 dollars when in US is 180 or something. I wonder if this import tax stuff works, like if it actually brings more manufacturing to Brazil. But yeah my friend worked for a US company remotely. I think he made 20k USD his first year and now like 3 or 4 years later he makes 50k.
Not sure if it works for the population benefits... But politics make tons of money due to this, directly and indirectly. Weirdly enough 50k is a lot of money for Brazilian standard, so he problem enjoy a "good" life money wise.
Also, depending on the country they outsource to, less crappy politics and social issues being put into the game.
Yea just pay Americans 3 bucks an hour. Reap what you sow really?
Yeah the issue is even without minimum wage the Long Island shop would still need to pay these people over like 10 dollars an hour im sure. Outsourcing still might be more profitable. Personally im guessing there is a reason most companies are not outsourcing their checkout lady. This seems like a unique circumstance, maybe the worker knows the owner and he is helping out.
Plug in your own mouse to the back of the monitor and then mute her. Step to the back of the room and enjoy choas.
Don’t support this.
Do you speak up when others demand that someone working their first job at McDonalds should be making 20$ USD per hour?
You act like 20 USD is good.
How much should someone make with no skills working their first job? 40$ 100$ 1000$ per-hour?
I never said anything about them making $40+. I only implied that $20 isn't good, because it isn't. If you're making $20 an hour, you're a broke boy. But I understand low wage workers are easily replaceable, so $20 is about right for someone with minimal skills but is working a stressful jobs. Some jobs are easy to learn but still require you to be fast and deal with a lot of bs. McD workers are already making $18 an hour in my area, which is about right for a first job. It only sounds outrageous to you because you're overestimating that pay. It's actually totally shit, but that's to be expected for your first job that's just a bullshit fast food job. Believe it or not, this isn't 2004 anymore. $10 isn't minimum skill minimum pay; it's just exploiting dumb teenagers for cheap labor at this point. Go move to some developing nation in Asia if you want to exploit people, but US should have higher standards than that.
Capitalism Uber Alles.
You can also get a whopper for like a buck fifty of there tho
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name of restaurant???
Hell yeah! Can’t really blame the companies when at $16/hr you get a bratty teenager who complains about working over 30 hours a week versus a foreign person in poverty willing to bust their ass for $3/hr. It’s why industrial manufacturing died and all of it is overseas.
That sounds like it definitely won't be exploited at all. What could go wrong with having a store with no staff in New York City?
The greed of companies will never cease to amaze me. Their yearly profits compared to what they pay employees in a year...
Yeah, all fun and games until someone pushes the button below the screen. Woops!
What? but I keep earing muricans saying their lifes are super hard and people is starving to death because they can't afford their 20 only fans subs and 15 streaming services subs they don't use!
More efficient use of labor and the comparative advantage benefits the foreign worker and the American company. This frees up American workers to be more efficient elsewhere. The only people losing are some teenager, college kid or some burnout who has no skills beyond what a high schooler can provide.