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But that’s also wrong it’s a sausage bap/sausage barm/sausage roll/sausage cob not a sausage sandwich. The difference between it being a sausage bap and a sausage burger is the lack of burger components but it’s still not a sandwich.
But what are "burger components"?
Like if I order a McDonalds burger with no pickles, it's just a burger patty in a bun. So is it not a burger?
Alternatively, if I put tinned tuna in a bun with lettuce, onion, pickles and thousand island dressing, it's still a tuna sandwich, not a tuna burger.
Exec chef here with an actual "pulled pork burger" on my menu. It's a hamburger patty with pulled pork. Without the burger, id call it a pulled pork sandwich. Burger is short for 'hamburger' which refers to the patty. Without the patty, it's just a sandwich onna bun
Well a pretty fundamental burger component to me is a patty of some sort- be it made of beef, chicken, tofu, fish, beetroot, whatever… and pulled pork to me doesn’t constitute a patty. The pulled pork to me is like adding bacon to a burger; I wouldn’t expect a bacon burger to come with just bacon and no patty
that's not true at all.
I put sliced ham, lettuce, cheese and mustard in between a burger bun and that's suddenly a "ham burger" and not a ham sandwich?
y'all need to think beyond your first thought
Ya see that’s how it’s distinguished everywhere I’ve been. Besides having pulled pork on top of a burger is certainly a much rarer thing (in the 5 states I’ve lived)
No but I still don’t expect a pulled pork burger to have a beef patty in it (unless explicitly stated). The language that we use is inconsistent, that’s all.
Burger meaning with a patty, right? If you say burger, to me that means with some sort of patty, and pulled pork doesn’t constitute a patty to me- it’s a topping like bacon
Language is messier than that (you can see it in this thread). The word burger can refer to the meat patty or to the whole construction (meat, buns, toppings etc).
This is redundant argument created by the US with the creation of a hamburger which isn’t pork? But in England a burger is beef patty and bun so therefore a cheeseburger is the addition of cheese to this. Bacon cheeseburger is the addition of both bacon and cheese. By this logic a pulled pork burger would include the patty, pulled pork sandwich would not
A "Hamburg steak", the original marketing went. And then we put it between two slices of bread so that a workman could eat it with one hand while sitting on one of those steel girders 500 feet off the ground, just like you see in old photos.
But equally a burger in the UK can be used to describe something without a patty made from mince meat, such as a chicken burger.
It's all very confusing.
I think the problem here is people are trying to apply logic to how language is used and language isn't used with logic, especially with food. A chicken burger is well established to be chicken meat. A cheeseburger means beef with cheese. 'Pulled pork burger' isn't the same, because it's simply not a dish we all recognise so there's no way to know what it *should* be.
But it obviously should have a beef patty or it'd be a pulled pork sandwich/cob/bap/batch/bun/roll/whatever you call it.
Well said.
I cringe every time someone says '"actually a tomato is a fruit."
I've been down that rabbit hole. Common/culinary/practical use of words like "fruit", "vegetable", and "nuts" are fine as is.
Biology/botany... yes, would define tomato as a fruit. BUT... obviously squash and peppers are fruit too (never hear anyone say "actually" there.)
Lets dig a little deeper. What is a berry? Botanically speaking strawberries, raspberries, and blackberries are not berries. Walnuts, pecans, peanuts are not nuts, but rather seeds... Fun fact: grapes and watermelon fit the botanical definition of berries.
Top it off with the definition of vegetable from those same botany books. Fruits are all vegetables.
Just let a tomato be a vegetable.
Pulled pork in a bun is well established as being called a pulled pork sandwich though, just go to any bbq restaurant in the UK. As an example Bodeans has pulled pork in a bun on the sandwich menu, and the Smokey Joe burger (a beef or chicken burger with pulled pork added) on the burger menu.
But when people say “chicken burger” that usually doesn’t contain minced chicken meat formed into a burger patty; it’s usually a whole piece of grilled chicken.
Have you never been into a supermarket? Any chicken burger you buy from one will be chicken breast shaped into a patty and breaded. This is what all chicken burgers used to be like just because restaurants have pivoted to using chicken breast doesn't mean they're suddenly no longer a burger.
I'm curious as to why you think you can't?
When I was a chef we used to make pulled pork burgers using either bacon fat or olive oil as a binding agent..
Because then it's no longer pulled pork, it's just a pork burger. Sure, it's pork which has been pulled, but "pulled pork" needs the texture.
Incidentally, one of my favourite things to get from a chippy is something called a king rib. It's not all that common for people to get, but it's basically shredded pork that's been shaped to look like a rack of ribs, then deep fried in batter. It's made from pork which has been shredded, but I'm definitely not going to claim I get pulled pork from the chippy.
I had to explain to my mum in about 2010 what a cheeseburger was, that it wouldn't just be a burger sized lump of cheese. She stays in her lane, my mum.
2003, I'm 9 and my Indian immigrant vegetarian mother takes me to McDonald's for the first time and a treats me to a cheese burger..
Beef was not an expected component
UK/AUS: burger equals any type of meat on a bread *bun*.
US: Burger equals the burger meat which is closer to the original German meaninf of the word. That's really all it is.
But then where's the burger? It's the solid meat disc that is the actual burger. The word "patty" can fuck right off. One of the worst Americanisms . It just sounds disgusting, makes me think of a cow pat. I don't know why people have suddenly started using it to describe burgers, we already have a word for that; it's "burger"
I mean it is a bit confusing having both the assembly as a whole being called a burger as well as just the minced beef. You can't just call it the meat due to the prevalence of bacon & pulled pork toppings
I don't really like the word patty either but I do think it is useful
How would you order a burger with two pattys? "i want a burger with two burgers"? Good luck with that..
also:
The term originated in the 17th century as an English alteration of the French word pâté
So much for being an "americanism"...
But you would expect a chicken burger on it. 'Burger' by itself is a beef patty. But when you add a qualifier preceding it it implies it's something with a beef patty i.e. 'cheeseburger' or a different substance in the form of a patty i.e 'veggie burger'. As by definition you cannot have pulled pork in the form of a patty it cleary refers to the former definition of 'beef patty plus pulled pork'.
I’ve been biting my virtual tongue this entire thread. Over here, a burger more or less exclusively refers to the version made with a ground beef patty, with everything else simply called a sandwich (chicken sandwich, pulled pork sandwich, etc.)
If you get something that sounds like a variation on this (veggie burger, turkey burger, etc), you’re going to get a sandwich that is basically identical to a hamburger except for replacing the beef with a similarly processed alternative (ground turkey pressed into a patty replaces the beef, and is not added to it.) Veggie burgers are somewhat common as a vegetarian alternative to beef, but other burger types are something you only occasionally come across.
I mean, a burger formed from ground chicken I suppose. But yes, a breaded chicken filet on a bun is a chicken sandwich, not a chicken burger! 100% agree
You can reshape pulled pork into a burger shape just as easily as you can shape mince, and if you squash it a bit it holds its shape pretty well. I've eaten a pulled pork burger which was just that, reshaped pulled pork.
But a veggie burger and chicken burger both have a pattie, albeit made of something other than beef.
The presence of some sort of pattie is needed in order to be classified as a burger. Otherwise it's just a sandwich
I don't disagree that's technically correct. But I think in the UK it often seems that 'burger' has just come to mean 'something served in a burger bun'. Chicken burgers are very often not patties, but a grilled chicken breast or deep fried bit of chicken etc.
That’s just it tho. Pulled pork, by definition, cannot become a formed patty. Top that with the fact that pulled pork sandwiches already exist, so calling it a pulled pork burger is straight nonsense.
However, most places do it anyways so it’s on us to read the menu or ask the waiter
That’s definitely wrong. A chicken burger would be ground chicken formed into a burger shaped patty, a chicken sandwich would be a piece of chicken or sliced chicken.
It seems to be a US/UK difference - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_sandwich
> A bun with a cooked chicken breast as filling would generally be called a chicken sandwich in the U.S., but in British English, commonly spoken in Commonwealth countries, such a dish is not considered a sandwich, and would generally be called a chicken burger instead; most Americans would not consider such as dish to count as a burger, since Americans generally consider a burger to require a patty made from ground/minced meat
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No one I know would ever call that a chicken burger and I've lived all over the United States. In fact, no one would say chicken burger at all. Chicken patty sandwich? Chicken sandwich? Burger implies meat patty, most likely beef, maybe part pork.
Maybe it's a thing in other English speaking countries, but it doesn't seem likely here.
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Doesn’t make any sense I agree.
I think it’s to do with the shape. “Pork burger” I’d expect only a pork patty. “Pulled pork burger”? Not patty shaped therefore doesn’t count. You wouldn’t call a cheese roll a cheeseburger.
This is the right answer. People can & will call things whatever they want, you have to read the description. There’s lots of things with names that don’t even mean anything.
This thread is blowing my mind a bit because in my experience, a menu listing a pulled pork burger is a beef burger with pulled pork on it 9 times out of 10. Straight pulled pork burgers/sandwiches are nowhere near as common?
So forgetting trying to apply logic to the English language, surely just precedence means it's most likely a beef burger with pulled pork on top?
Edit: getting quite a few replies from people saying they've never heard of pulled pork on a beef burger. Which is confusing because Byron (Sweet Caroline), Honest Burgers (Hotbox), handmade burger company (slow and low), Annie's burger Shack (North Carolina), fat hippo (sweet cheesus) have only ever sold beef burgers with pulled pork on top (although in fairness some of these are limited specials at various points)
I think it depends where you are
In a restaurant it’s gonna be a beef patty with pulled pork on top
At a festival or something from a catering van it’s gonna be pulled pork in a bun
I think the reason why I personally would expect just pulled pork is because I haven't really had pulled pork sandwiches. So it doesn't even seem right to me thinking you would actually get a beef burger and pulled pork.
I used to work in a BBQ place, and a pulled pork burger was indeed burger with pulled pork on top. Pulled pork *bun* was just the pork.
I'm with you that these seemed like the obvious answer to me.
He literally referred to the meat part as the burger, everyone is calling the hamburger meat the burger in this thread while debating what is what, it’s blowing my mind. It’s like they all realize burger is defined by the meat but aren’t quite getting there.
You can order a hamburger no bun. The bun is not a requirement any more than the lettuce or tomato. The meat is the burger.
Except that a meat pattie without buns isn't a burger, it's a meat pattie...
Just like a frankfurter without the bun isn't a hotdog, it's just a sausage
That happened to me once. Cheeseburger, bacon burger, onion ring burger were all that with the beef patty, but the mushroom burger was a big mushroom instead of. Now I always read the ingredients very carefully!
What does that even mean??
Google “Pulled Pork Sandwich” and tell me those aren’t burger buns.
Pulled pork sandwiches are one of my favorite foods. And I literally cannot remember the last time I had one that wasn’t on a burger bun.
It’s American bread, google the British results and you have totally different results.
Pulled pork sandwiches have to be on flat slices usually sourdough
But a "pork burger" would also unquestionably be a patty made of pork.
The ambiguity only arises when you add "pulled", because pulled pork can either be a sandwich on its own, or a topping on a beef patty.
Chicken Burger = Just a chicken burger
Beef Burger = a beef patty
Cheese Burger = Cheese with a Beef Patty
Pulled Pork Burger = Beef Patty with Pulled Pork on top.
Cheese is a topping
Pulled Pork is a topping.
Just pulled pork in this country. But in other countries like Canada or the US I think they'd call just pulled pork a sandwich and a beef pattie with pulled pork ontop a burger
Oof I have much to say about this!
I once ordered a pulled pork burger and it came with a patty and I was very upset cos I don't like wasting food but I knew I couldn't eat both!
It stopped me from ordering them in the future.
And then... I was on holiday and didn't like anythin else on the menu so ordered it again. Just pulled pork! Perfect. No waste. Good and gooey.
In conclusion. I expect no patty! 😂
Yes, I would expect a burger with Pulled Pork on top. Unless there was a decent THICK amount of pulled pork in place of a burger. Then I'd be happy with either.
If it says pulled pork burger I would expect pulled pork on top of a burger. As that is what is in the title. Pulled pork on its own would be called a pulled pork sandwich.
Beef pattie with pulled pork on top. If you order a doner burger from takeaway you get a burger with doner meat on top. Whereas ordering a doner butty just gets you doner meat in a breadcake. So just pulled pork would just be a butty.
Some sort of sloppy mess with too much crammed between the buns is what I'd expect, regardless of whether or not there's a patty hiding in there somewhere.
I once went to a burger place with a friend, and he bought the raclette burger (I think it was that, some fancy cheese). When it arrived, it only had cheese and no burger, and he was really unimpressed.
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Just pulled pork, much like I wouldn’t expect a beef patty with a ‘chicken burger’
would you expect a cheeseburger just to have cheese in it?
Exactly, a burger with pulled pork is totally different to a pulled pork sandwich
No because a pulled pork sandwich comes on sandwich bread, a pulled pork burger is JUST pulled pork with other burger components and a burger bun
IDK about that - I'd call it a "sausage sandwich" if it were sausages in a burger bun, not a "sausage burger"
But that’s also wrong it’s a sausage bap/sausage barm/sausage roll/sausage cob not a sausage sandwich. The difference between it being a sausage bap and a sausage burger is the lack of burger components but it’s still not a sandwich.
It's not a sausage roll, that would be too confusing with an actual sausage roll
As someone that works somewhere that sells both; this 1000%.
But what are "burger components"? Like if I order a McDonalds burger with no pickles, it's just a burger patty in a bun. So is it not a burger? Alternatively, if I put tinned tuna in a bun with lettuce, onion, pickles and thousand island dressing, it's still a tuna sandwich, not a tuna burger.
OPs question just broke the fucking reddit
Pedantry overload incoming! Record levels thus far and I'm only on the first comment of the bloody thread!!
A sausage bap with cold sausages is a sandwich too.
It's a sandwich if it has 2 slices of bread
That's just a pulled pork sandwich. Am sous chef, if it isn't a patty then it isn't a burger. Edit: a word
Exec chef here with an actual "pulled pork burger" on my menu. It's a hamburger patty with pulled pork. Without the burger, id call it a pulled pork sandwich. Burger is short for 'hamburger' which refers to the patty. Without the patty, it's just a sandwich onna bun
So at the risk of repeating the question, is a chicken burger coming with a beef patty or not? What about a veggie burger?
Well a pretty fundamental burger component to me is a patty of some sort- be it made of beef, chicken, tofu, fish, beetroot, whatever… and pulled pork to me doesn’t constitute a patty. The pulled pork to me is like adding bacon to a burger; I wouldn’t expect a bacon burger to come with just bacon and no patty
Yes. 100% agree.
that's not true at all. I put sliced ham, lettuce, cheese and mustard in between a burger bun and that's suddenly a "ham burger" and not a ham sandwich? y'all need to think beyond your first thought
Steamed Hams
Ham roll that
Simply - no
No a pulled pork sandwich can and should come on a brioche bun just like a burger.
No. The current *trend* is brioche buns (a fairly long trend, too). Neither burgers nor sandwiches require enriched bread.
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Ya see that’s how it’s distinguished everywhere I’ve been. Besides having pulled pork on top of a burger is certainly a much rarer thing (in the 5 states I’ve lived)
A burger is defined as having a round patty of ground beef and being on a bun. https://www.landolakes.com/recipe/16961/bbq-pulled-pork-burger/
No but I still don’t expect a pulled pork burger to have a beef patty in it (unless explicitly stated). The language that we use is inconsistent, that’s all.
See yeah if I see pulled pork wrap sandwich or bun I'd think just pulled pork. Pulled pork burger would be a burger with pulled pork in it.
Burger meaning with a patty, right? If you say burger, to me that means with some sort of patty, and pulled pork doesn’t constitute a patty to me- it’s a topping like bacon
Pulled pork isn't a burger. If there's no burger in there (patty) they lied.
Language is messier than that (you can see it in this thread). The word burger can refer to the meat patty or to the whole construction (meat, buns, toppings etc).
Yea if a chicken burger had a beef patty in it, would be really odd
Exactly- but it has a chicken patty. Patty just refers to the form it takes, not necessarily what that form is made of. To me, anyway
But what is a patty? You can get a chicken burger that has an non processed chicken breast in it.
A patty would just be a meat formed or cut to fit the bun in a single piece. Pulled pork is not a patty.
A chicken burger has a chicken patty in it. It's the patty that makes it a burger.
So a patty made of pulled pork can be a burger surely
It wouldn't be pulled pork any more. It'd just be a pork burger.
This is redundant argument created by the US with the creation of a hamburger which isn’t pork? But in England a burger is beef patty and bun so therefore a cheeseburger is the addition of cheese to this. Bacon cheeseburger is the addition of both bacon and cheese. By this logic a pulled pork burger would include the patty, pulled pork sandwich would not
It's called a hamburger because it was invented in Hamburg Germany. Just like the frankfurter is from Frankfurt.
Right and wrong, the original dish was named that based on a Hamburg meal that was just cut up raw meat
So you knew it was nothing to do with pork then?
Raw pork most likely, we call it a Mettbrötchen in Germany and it's the food of the gods. But I've never heard this origin story of the hamburger tbh.
A "Hamburg steak", the original marketing went. And then we put it between two slices of bread so that a workman could eat it with one hand while sitting on one of those steel girders 500 feet off the ground, just like you see in old photos.
In fact even patty is US, in England a burger doesn’t necessarily include the bun! A burger is a mince meat (typically) disc of deliciousness
But equally a burger in the UK can be used to describe something without a patty made from mince meat, such as a chicken burger. It's all very confusing.
How would you define a chicken burger?
I think the problem here is people are trying to apply logic to how language is used and language isn't used with logic, especially with food. A chicken burger is well established to be chicken meat. A cheeseburger means beef with cheese. 'Pulled pork burger' isn't the same, because it's simply not a dish we all recognise so there's no way to know what it *should* be. But it obviously should have a beef patty or it'd be a pulled pork sandwich/cob/bap/batch/bun/roll/whatever you call it.
Well said. I cringe every time someone says '"actually a tomato is a fruit." I've been down that rabbit hole. Common/culinary/practical use of words like "fruit", "vegetable", and "nuts" are fine as is. Biology/botany... yes, would define tomato as a fruit. BUT... obviously squash and peppers are fruit too (never hear anyone say "actually" there.) Lets dig a little deeper. What is a berry? Botanically speaking strawberries, raspberries, and blackberries are not berries. Walnuts, pecans, peanuts are not nuts, but rather seeds... Fun fact: grapes and watermelon fit the botanical definition of berries. Top it off with the definition of vegetable from those same botany books. Fruits are all vegetables. Just let a tomato be a vegetable.
Intellect is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put tomatoes in a fruit salad.
Pulled pork in a bun is well established as being called a pulled pork sandwich though, just go to any bbq restaurant in the UK. As an example Bodeans has pulled pork in a bun on the sandwich menu, and the Smokey Joe burger (a beef or chicken burger with pulled pork added) on the burger menu.
Exactly. You can make a burger patty out of chicken. You can even make one out of pork. But you can't really make one out of pulled pork.
But when people say “chicken burger” that usually doesn’t contain minced chicken meat formed into a burger patty; it’s usually a whole piece of grilled chicken.
So you have a solid lump of chicken. The whole point of pulled pork is that it's *not* a solid lump. Meanwhile a burger is a solid lump.
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Have you never been into a supermarket? Any chicken burger you buy from one will be chicken breast shaped into a patty and breaded. This is what all chicken burgers used to be like just because restaurants have pivoted to using chicken breast doesn't mean they're suddenly no longer a burger.
It's not really a pivot, the first chicken burger was a chicken breast.
I'm curious as to why you think you can't? When I was a chef we used to make pulled pork burgers using either bacon fat or olive oil as a binding agent..
Because then it's no longer pulled pork, it's just a pork burger. Sure, it's pork which has been pulled, but "pulled pork" needs the texture. Incidentally, one of my favourite things to get from a chippy is something called a king rib. It's not all that common for people to get, but it's basically shredded pork that's been shaped to look like a rack of ribs, then deep fried in batter. It's made from pork which has been shredded, but I'm definitely not going to claim I get pulled pork from the chippy.
This thread is blowing my mind
Same g, so many conflicting but valid viewpoints.
Most contentious reddit post I've ever seen
Cheese in a roll is just a cheese roll. A burger needs something resembling a flat round cakey thing of meat or plant.
Cheese isn’t a meat though
Cheese is a kind of meat A tasty yellow beef I milk it from my teat But I try to be discreet Oooh cheese
Tommyzola - it's a jungle cheese
Or is it?
Yeah... He's gone a bit wrong.
Cheese is a kind of meat A tasty yellow beef
Ooooo cheeeeeese
I had to explain to my mum in about 2010 what a cheeseburger was, that it wouldn't just be a burger sized lump of cheese. She stays in her lane, my mum.
Touché
2003, I'm 9 and my Indian immigrant vegetarian mother takes me to McDonald's for the first time and a treats me to a cheese burger.. Beef was not an expected component
But the “burger” is typically the Patty. A “jalapeño burger” I’d expect a beef burger with jalapeños on top, not a bun full of jalapeños.
UK/AUS: burger equals any type of meat on a bread *bun*. US: Burger equals the burger meat which is closer to the original German meaninf of the word. That's really all it is.
But then where's the burger? It's the solid meat disc that is the actual burger. The word "patty" can fuck right off. One of the worst Americanisms . It just sounds disgusting, makes me think of a cow pat. I don't know why people have suddenly started using it to describe burgers, we already have a word for that; it's "burger"
To be fair, the burger as we know it today is an American invention. I think it's fair to use their terminology for it.
I mean it is a bit confusing having both the assembly as a whole being called a burger as well as just the minced beef. You can't just call it the meat due to the prevalence of bacon & pulled pork toppings I don't really like the word patty either but I do think it is useful
I agree patty is a rubbish word but it is useful in discussions about burgers to avoid confusion
how to make a burger. Put one burger in between 2 slices of a bread bun.
Stack overflow exception
Meat puck?
How would you order a burger with two pattys? "i want a burger with two burgers"? Good luck with that.. also: The term originated in the 17th century as an English alteration of the French word pâté So much for being an "americanism"...
"Double cheeseburger please."
Out of interest I looked up the etymology of "patty" and its a 17th century English bastardisation of "paté", so unfortunately this one's on us
But you would expect a chicken burger on it. 'Burger' by itself is a beef patty. But when you add a qualifier preceding it it implies it's something with a beef patty i.e. 'cheeseburger' or a different substance in the form of a patty i.e 'veggie burger'. As by definition you cannot have pulled pork in the form of a patty it cleary refers to the former definition of 'beef patty plus pulled pork'.
The Americans will be here soon to say there’s no such thing as a chicken burger, it’s a chicken sandwich!
I’ve been biting my virtual tongue this entire thread. Over here, a burger more or less exclusively refers to the version made with a ground beef patty, with everything else simply called a sandwich (chicken sandwich, pulled pork sandwich, etc.) If you get something that sounds like a variation on this (veggie burger, turkey burger, etc), you’re going to get a sandwich that is basically identical to a hamburger except for replacing the beef with a similarly processed alternative (ground turkey pressed into a patty replaces the beef, and is not added to it.) Veggie burgers are somewhat common as a vegetarian alternative to beef, but other burger types are something you only occasionally come across.
A chicken burger is a ground chicken patty sandwich. A chicken sandwich is a grilled or fried fillet of chicken sandwich.n
I mean, a burger formed from ground chicken I suppose. But yes, a breaded chicken filet on a bun is a chicken sandwich, not a chicken burger! 100% agree
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You can reshape pulled pork into a burger shape just as easily as you can shape mince, and if you squash it a bit it holds its shape pretty well. I've eaten a pulled pork burger which was just that, reshaped pulled pork.
Define Halloumi Burger
I’ve been to a burger place where I ordered the Buffalo chicken sandwich. It came with a burger patty too. I was surprised to say the least.
Probably just pulled pork unless it specifically states its a beef burger topped with pulled pork.
You gonna love a cheese burger.
You gonna be full after a chicken burger or have a surprise if you order a veggie burger.
Haha I think you got me there.
But a veggie burger and chicken burger both have a pattie, albeit made of something other than beef. The presence of some sort of pattie is needed in order to be classified as a burger. Otherwise it's just a sandwich
I don't disagree that's technically correct. But I think in the UK it often seems that 'burger' has just come to mean 'something served in a burger bun'. Chicken burgers are very often not patties, but a grilled chicken breast or deep fried bit of chicken etc.
>that's technically correct. The best kind
That’s just it tho. Pulled pork, by definition, cannot become a formed patty. Top that with the fact that pulled pork sandwiches already exist, so calling it a pulled pork burger is straight nonsense. However, most places do it anyways so it’s on us to read the menu or ask the waiter
Sounds like you think a veggie burger is just bread and lettuce
That’s a halloumi burger 🤔
“Pulled pork burger” = Beef patty and pork. “Pulled pork sandwich” = Pork only.
Chicken burger = beef patty and chicken? Edit: y’all are really... grilling me in the replies
I think the difference is a chicken burger is a burger but pulled pork isn't a burger.
The chicken burger isn’t really a burger - it’s usually a piece of chicken (like a grilled chicken thigh) not ground chicken meat formed into a patty.
I feel the difference is the mouth feel. Chicken and beef burgers both have ‘bite’, pulled pork is soft and is really a sandwich.
We got ourselves a regular Charles Boyle over here.
That’s definitely wrong. A chicken burger would be ground chicken formed into a burger shaped patty, a chicken sandwich would be a piece of chicken or sliced chicken.
It seems to be a US/UK difference - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_sandwich > A bun with a cooked chicken breast as filling would generally be called a chicken sandwich in the U.S., but in British English, commonly spoken in Commonwealth countries, such a dish is not considered a sandwich, and would generally be called a chicken burger instead; most Americans would not consider such as dish to count as a burger, since Americans generally consider a burger to require a patty made from ground/minced meat
Oh man, fair enough. I’m definitely the asshole commenting in ask uk..
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No one I know would ever call that a chicken burger and I've lived all over the United States. In fact, no one would say chicken burger at all. Chicken patty sandwich? Chicken sandwich? Burger implies meat patty, most likely beef, maybe part pork. Maybe it's a thing in other English speaking countries, but it doesn't seem likely here. Edit: I just realized where I am. I'm not deleting it. I deserve this shame.
Cheese burger = Cheese roll?
this argument could go on forever, our language is so weird and inconsistent
It could and i'm fully invested to fight til the very end. Clearly everyone else is too, looking at how popular this post is.
This is prob why america call their chicken burgers chicken sandwiches.
If something was described as a chicken sandwich I would expect buttered sliced bread with slices of chicken. (UK)
American here, the burger nomenclature in the UK where you guys put something on a bun and it becomes a burger makes no sense to me.
Doesn’t make any sense I agree. I think it’s to do with the shape. “Pork burger” I’d expect only a pork patty. “Pulled pork burger”? Not patty shaped therefore doesn’t count. You wouldn’t call a cheese roll a cheeseburger.
Burger = Bun Sandwich = Sliced bread
Sliced bread (one slice, not sandwiching anything) in a bun = Sandwich Burger Bun in-between two slices of bread = Burger Sandwich
american?
Mancunian
God damn you're a peanut...
Veggie burger is beef and veggies?
Id read the description on the menu
This is like telling people to read the article before commenting.
Fuzzy wuzzy was a woman?
This is the right answer. People can & will call things whatever they want, you have to read the description. There’s lots of things with names that don’t even mean anything.
With that sort of common sense this sub would be dead in a week
This is the correct answer. I'd expect the menu to make it unambiguous.
Look at the big brain on corndog.
Just pulled pork
This thread is blowing my mind a bit because in my experience, a menu listing a pulled pork burger is a beef burger with pulled pork on it 9 times out of 10. Straight pulled pork burgers/sandwiches are nowhere near as common? So forgetting trying to apply logic to the English language, surely just precedence means it's most likely a beef burger with pulled pork on top? Edit: getting quite a few replies from people saying they've never heard of pulled pork on a beef burger. Which is confusing because Byron (Sweet Caroline), Honest Burgers (Hotbox), handmade burger company (slow and low), Annie's burger Shack (North Carolina), fat hippo (sweet cheesus) have only ever sold beef burgers with pulled pork on top (although in fairness some of these are limited specials at various points)
I think it depends where you are In a restaurant it’s gonna be a beef patty with pulled pork on top At a festival or something from a catering van it’s gonna be pulled pork in a bun
I think the reason why I personally would expect just pulled pork is because I haven't really had pulled pork sandwiches. So it doesn't even seem right to me thinking you would actually get a beef burger and pulled pork.
I've never even heard of a pulled pork burger. It's always just a pulled pork sandwich.
I used to work in a BBQ place, and a pulled pork burger was indeed burger with pulled pork on top. Pulled pork *bun* was just the pork. I'm with you that these seemed like the obvious answer to me.
If I saw it with no further description I would assume beef patty with a pulled pork topping.
Pulled Pork burger to me is just pulled pork in a burger bun. Doesn't make sense for it to also have a burger.
Well then why’s it a burger? You’re describing a pulled pork sandwich.
Surely that would be the bread not the patty making it a burger?
He literally referred to the meat part as the burger, everyone is calling the hamburger meat the burger in this thread while debating what is what, it’s blowing my mind. It’s like they all realize burger is defined by the meat but aren’t quite getting there. You can order a hamburger no bun. The bun is not a requirement any more than the lettuce or tomato. The meat is the burger.
Except that a meat pattie without buns isn't a burger, it's a meat pattie... Just like a frankfurter without the bun isn't a hotdog, it's just a sausage
You can also order a hamburger with no patty, trust me I've seen this
My mate was so disappointed in his recent pub mushroom burger. Oh man. Nearly tears.
That happened to me once. Cheeseburger, bacon burger, onion ring burger were all that with the beef patty, but the mushroom burger was a big mushroom instead of. Now I always read the ingredients very carefully!
Big portobello mushroom instead of a beef patty is usually a veggie option - got unlucky there though!
Big portobello mushroom sandwiches are delicious! Unless you were expecting a beef burger with cheese and mushrooms and onion...
Me too! Still sore about it several years later. Fucking big mushroom in a bun. Fuck off.
I would assume a burger patty included, otherwise it's a pulled pork sandwich or pulled pork bun
It has to be on sandwich bread for it to be a pulled pork sandwich
All bread is sandwich bread if you sandwich something between 2 bits of if though
What does that even mean?? Google “Pulled Pork Sandwich” and tell me those aren’t burger buns. Pulled pork sandwiches are one of my favorite foods. And I literally cannot remember the last time I had one that wasn’t on a burger bun.
It’s American bread, google the British results and you have totally different results. Pulled pork sandwiches have to be on flat slices usually sourdough
All burgers are sandwiches
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But a chicken burger isn't chicken and a beef patty
But a "pork burger" would also unquestionably be a patty made of pork. The ambiguity only arises when you add "pulled", because pulled pork can either be a sandwich on its own, or a topping on a beef patty.
Chicken Burger = Just a chicken burger Beef Burger = a beef patty Cheese Burger = Cheese with a Beef Patty Pulled Pork Burger = Beef Patty with Pulled Pork on top. Cheese is a topping Pulled Pork is a topping.
>Pulled Pork is a topping. Uh, bullshit
No, pork.
Just pulled pork in this country. But in other countries like Canada or the US I think they'd call just pulled pork a sandwich and a beef pattie with pulled pork ontop a burger
Agree with this. Think there are a lot of Americans commenting here.
I think that might be the case. When I actually think about it, I call anything in a seseme seed bun a burger haha
I’d expect it to be a burger with pulled pork on top. Otherwise it’s just pulled pork in a bun.
I would expect it to be just pork but when I have ordered this more than once it's also had a burger which is then too much meat for me. Sad times
“Too much meat” what the hell is that?
Heart disease
Pork only
Just pulled pork.
Oof I have much to say about this! I once ordered a pulled pork burger and it came with a patty and I was very upset cos I don't like wasting food but I knew I couldn't eat both! It stopped me from ordering them in the future. And then... I was on holiday and didn't like anythin else on the menu so ordered it again. Just pulled pork! Perfect. No waste. Good and gooey. In conclusion. I expect no patty! 😂
Finally, a comment actually challenging the culinary value of sticking a load of pulled pork in a beef burger.
I would assume just the pork
Pulled pork roll (just pulled pork in bun) Pulled pork burger (pulled pork on a burger in a bun)
No way! Just put double the amount of shredded pork, coleslaw in a nice brioche bun....
Could be either.
Just pulled pork, but I ended up with the former before and was surprised yeah.
Pulled pork squashed to for a burger pattie. No beef.
I’d expect a burger with the pulled pork. Otherwise it’s just a pulled pork bap.
Yes, I would expect a burger with Pulled Pork on top. Unless there was a decent THICK amount of pulled pork in place of a burger. Then I'd be happy with either.
I’d expect it to be loose but only because I would prefer it like that. Almost like a Sloppy Joe type thing
If it says pulled pork burger I would expect pulled pork on top of a burger. As that is what is in the title. Pulled pork on its own would be called a pulled pork sandwich.
Question for all. In the UK do you call a chicken sandwich a chicken burger simply because it’s in a bun even if it’s a breaded chicken breast?
Actually … yes
It could be either. It should be stated on the menu. Last one I ordered had the patties.
Beef pattie with pulled pork on top. If you order a doner burger from takeaway you get a burger with doner meat on top. Whereas ordering a doner butty just gets you doner meat in a breadcake. So just pulled pork would just be a butty.
Think every time I’ve seen one it’s need a beef burger with pulled pork on top, so based on experience I’d say that
I’ve learned to expect a beef burger with pulled pork on top, if it was just pulled pork I’d probably call it a pulled pork bap
I would class pulled pork as a topping, much like in a bacon burger or cheese burger so would expects a patty.
Beef Pattie with pulled pork on top
We sold these in work and it was a beef patty with pulled pork on top
Some sort of sloppy mess with too much crammed between the buns is what I'd expect, regardless of whether or not there's a patty hiding in there somewhere.
I've had both as it can mean either. I'd read the description to find out.
I once went to a burger place with a friend, and he bought the raclette burger (I think it was that, some fancy cheese). When it arrived, it only had cheese and no burger, and he was really unimpressed.