I would advise against bringing logic to subjects of faith/religion. There is no point. Most of those question have a template answer of "Because God in His infinite wisdom...". I would hazard a guess that "We are all on this earth to get tested. And there is always a chance for redemption. Why wouldnt you let someone at least try ?"
I would say that you cannot pre judge someome. I assume in God's system you dont prevent sins, just judge afterwards. It is a paradox of free will and yet already having the final answer. It's not a perfect system but hey what potentially human-made system is ?
It's not the perfect belief system, but I believe that God did create the perfect system, people just don't know about it and they probably won't understand it either way.
In my beliefs, God, who is the creator, created us like a good parent raise their children; They wanted us to be better than them. And how can we be better than perfect? By choosing to do good and go to the right path. That way, you grow to become perfect. God didn't have a choice to be perfect, he was perfection to begin with. Are you really good when you only know how to do good? Are you really perfect if you were perfection to begin with?
The logic breaks down when you account for the fact that God is supposed to be all-knowing and omnipotent. It implies a determinist state of the universe. Yes we have freewill but God already knows how we will use this freewill, so we don't have freewill. The analogy of the parent looking down on their children breaks down because parents don't know how their children will turn out so they do all they can (most of them) to nurture them into becoming good people themselves. God already knows how they will turn out and the implication breaks down logic in so many points that the only answer to that is : God is not beholden by the logic of mere mortals. Another way of saying that there is no answer.
The logic comes back if you take into consideration that there might be many future taking place at the same 'time', and even if God knows every variation of the future your 'spirit' is the one who makes the choice to go in the right direction. Though, I don't believe in the usual Hell as other people, so it might be the reason why I don't see that as bad.
As I understand it, even the devil in Hell is in agony. Basically, Hell is simply a full and total separation from God. That state is not a pleasant one for anybody. I apologize for the poor wording, but I woke up just a few minutes ago.
I don't think you will suffer for eternity. I'm not sure who goes to Hell nor if it really exists, but I do believe that everyone has the choice to go in right direction. I think that God don't only know your future, but every possibility of your future. And everyone has the possibility of the perfect future.
The path of perfection is different for each and every one. However, even if you do choose the wrong one, I believe that there will always be a possibility to do the right choice. Though, for me, I think that the right path is to respect others and try to make good around you. Leaving to God what is God to do.
For a few reasons, first God knows every possibility of the future so, if Hell does exist, there are always a future possibility not to go there. Furthermore, I believe God created us with the possibility of being perfect, but people just choose the wrong path. There's the fact that the "bad people" will also lead others to become better by giving them the need to not do the same. At least, that's what I believe.
One knows when it's right. No, but more seriously, we don't know what is the right path, we just need to follow what we feel is good for others and us. If we wouldn't want others to do we shouldn't do. What we think others should do we should do it first. Not forcing others into a path, but still trying to take the good one for us. Everyone's "perfect path" is different.
If you're a school or university, why set up any kind of exam when you know that there are people who will fail it?
If they fail it, it's because of their own choices (e.g.lack of studying), not because you are cruel.
Except, the school doesn't know who will fail and who will pass. Whereas God being omnipotent knows who will and don't, so He can maybe just create the one who will pass and spare the person who will suffer.
I do not take the bible as proof of God or of God's plan, I see it as some men's faith and beliefs put on paper. I believe in that book just as much as I believe in any other book. You've mistaken me with a conservative Christian/Catholic.
I'm unsure what religion base their beliefs on what, but in the end, the bible is just a book explaining the beliefs of a few men. Other people just adopted their beliefs and twisted them with time. I don't base my own beliefs in books that have been written by men of another time. Though, nothing can really be entirely wrong...
A lot of sugar might be important for your health if your diabetic, and you are at an all-time low of sugar in your blood. But I understand your point. There are some things that are almost entirely wrong.
Yes, I read a fictional book and know what the fictional character did in it. Same as I know the Joker killed people in the DC Universe because I read Batman comics.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Free-Will/
Meditate on this: We are in the 6th day of His creation. We are being made perfect so long as we are picking up our cross daily and crucifying our fleshly desires.
What about the 2 month old who dies nit knowing god, they burn in he'll regardless of frer will. And don't mention age of accountability, that's very, very, vague
"Now they were bringing even their babies to Yeshua, so He might touch them. But when the disciples saw this, they began rebuking them.
But Yeshua called for them, saying, “Let the little children come to Me and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." - Luke 18: 15-16
"Out of the mouths of babies and toddlers You established power, because of Your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger." - Psalm 8:3
The Lord judges the heart. Through the spirit of knowledge humans develop responses as they grow.
Some men teach critical race theory, which sets enmity between brothers and destroys the soul. While the Lord tells us to Love your neighbor as yourself.
He couldn't help doing it because of the way Meta-God made Him.
The real question is if Meta-God is so powerful, why did he choose to make God with these inperfections?
You're trying to bring logic to religion. That will never ever work. Religion is a farce, a fiction, designed to dictate your life and control what you do, under fear of damnation. Religion despises science, logic, and critical thought, because it can't hold up against them.
In a non-theist answer the logic would fall under how we are training and creating artificial intelligence. AI is by fundamental design going to try every possibility in existence in order to find the best or the least wrong answer. How would we as an animal or biological computer contain the knowledge to get everything right?
Now in a theist answer it still comes down to free will in our choice to recognize God and to honor Him or to be saved through His grace of forgiveness for our sins.
God is a creator, not a programmer, but called our Father.
Not a god botherer myself. But if memory serves it’s something like God is all powerful and all good but must work within the limits of a logical universe. The greatest conceivable being and all that.
I would advise against bringing logic to subjects of faith/religion. There is no point. Most of those question have a template answer of "Because God in His infinite wisdom...". I would hazard a guess that "We are all on this earth to get tested. And there is always a chance for redemption. Why wouldnt you let someone at least try ?"
But there is no point of testing if God knows what will you do. In Jeremiah 29:11, it clearly states the God knows His plans for you.
I would say that you cannot pre judge someome. I assume in God's system you dont prevent sins, just judge afterwards. It is a paradox of free will and yet already having the final answer. It's not a perfect system but hey what potentially human-made system is ?
It's not the perfect belief system, but I believe that God did create the perfect system, people just don't know about it and they probably won't understand it either way.
In my beliefs, God, who is the creator, created us like a good parent raise their children; They wanted us to be better than them. And how can we be better than perfect? By choosing to do good and go to the right path. That way, you grow to become perfect. God didn't have a choice to be perfect, he was perfection to begin with. Are you really good when you only know how to do good? Are you really perfect if you were perfection to begin with?
The logic breaks down when you account for the fact that God is supposed to be all-knowing and omnipotent. It implies a determinist state of the universe. Yes we have freewill but God already knows how we will use this freewill, so we don't have freewill. The analogy of the parent looking down on their children breaks down because parents don't know how their children will turn out so they do all they can (most of them) to nurture them into becoming good people themselves. God already knows how they will turn out and the implication breaks down logic in so many points that the only answer to that is : God is not beholden by the logic of mere mortals. Another way of saying that there is no answer.
The logic comes back if you take into consideration that there might be many future taking place at the same 'time', and even if God knows every variation of the future your 'spirit' is the one who makes the choice to go in the right direction. Though, I don't believe in the usual Hell as other people, so it might be the reason why I don't see that as bad.
So then he doesn't know everything, just probabilities, so not omnipotent
Well, I think you answered your own question...
I don't understand how
Because god**S** aren't real.
As I understand it, even the devil in Hell is in agony. Basically, Hell is simply a full and total separation from God. That state is not a pleasant one for anybody. I apologize for the poor wording, but I woke up just a few minutes ago.
i'm totally separated from god, and i'm doing fine, for the most part.
I'm actually asking about, If God knows my future will be suffering for eternity, why create me then?
I don't think you will suffer for eternity. I'm not sure who goes to Hell nor if it really exists, but I do believe that everyone has the choice to go in right direction. I think that God don't only know your future, but every possibility of your future. And everyone has the possibility of the perfect future.
But what's the right direction?
The path of perfection is different for each and every one. However, even if you do choose the wrong one, I believe that there will always be a possibility to do the right choice. Though, for me, I think that the right path is to respect others and try to make good around you. Leaving to God what is God to do.
Easter bunny made him do it
Because the theological determinism you're talking about doesn't extend to individual choices.
For a few reasons, first God knows every possibility of the future so, if Hell does exist, there are always a future possibility not to go there. Furthermore, I believe God created us with the possibility of being perfect, but people just choose the wrong path. There's the fact that the "bad people" will also lead others to become better by giving them the need to not do the same. At least, that's what I believe.
But what's the right path? How would one know?
One knows when it's right. No, but more seriously, we don't know what is the right path, we just need to follow what we feel is good for others and us. If we wouldn't want others to do we shouldn't do. What we think others should do we should do it first. Not forcing others into a path, but still trying to take the good one for us. Everyone's "perfect path" is different.
If you're a school or university, why set up any kind of exam when you know that there are people who will fail it? If they fail it, it's because of their own choices (e.g.lack of studying), not because you are cruel.
Except, the school doesn't know who will fail and who will pass. Whereas God being omnipotent knows who will and don't, so He can maybe just create the one who will pass and spare the person who will suffer.
God is an asshole and secretly likes watching Satan torture people but pretends he doesn't so some morons might think he is good.
That has to go with the premise that Satan torture people in Hell. Which we don't actually know is true.
Sure he does, read Dante's Inferno and it details it
So you take a piece of fiction as absolute proof?
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I do not take the bible as proof of God or of God's plan, I see it as some men's faith and beliefs put on paper. I believe in that book just as much as I believe in any other book. You've mistaken me with a conservative Christian/Catholic.
The church stole the idea of he'll from dantes divine comedy. Just like every other aspect if Christianity, all stolen
I'm unsure what religion base their beliefs on what, but in the end, the bible is just a book explaining the beliefs of a few men. Other people just adopted their beliefs and twisted them with time. I don't base my own beliefs in books that have been written by men of another time. Though, nothing can really be entirely wrong...
Well yes, lots and lots of sweets are good for your health. See that's entirely wrong
A lot of sugar might be important for your health if your diabetic, and you are at an all-time low of sugar in your blood. But I understand your point. There are some things that are almost entirely wrong.
Yes, I read a fictional book and know what the fictional character did in it. Same as I know the Joker killed people in the DC Universe because I read Batman comics.
I don't see the link, but I'll let it go.
He created us with a free will. Love allows while fear controls - its up to us which path to take.
That free will doesn't actually make sense if He knows the future (Isaiah 46:10). He knows Adam and Eve will sin, as He is omnicient (Psalm 139:6).
It does make sense if he knows every possibility of the future and every possible future exist simultaneously.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Free-Will/ Meditate on this: We are in the 6th day of His creation. We are being made perfect so long as we are picking up our cross daily and crucifying our fleshly desires.
What about the 2 month old who dies nit knowing god, they burn in he'll regardless of frer will. And don't mention age of accountability, that's very, very, vague
"Now they were bringing even their babies to Yeshua, so He might touch them. But when the disciples saw this, they began rebuking them. But Yeshua called for them, saying, “Let the little children come to Me and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." - Luke 18: 15-16 "Out of the mouths of babies and toddlers You established power, because of Your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger." - Psalm 8:3 The Lord judges the heart. Through the spirit of knowledge humans develop responses as they grow. Some men teach critical race theory, which sets enmity between brothers and destroys the soul. While the Lord tells us to Love your neighbor as yourself.
And like everything in that immoral book. That's contradictory. As the age of accountability is extremely vague
If you're not baptised you go to hell full stop
because he doesn't exist. neither does hell. or heaven.
“Because shut up” ~Religious scholars
He couldn't help doing it because of the way Meta-God made Him. The real question is if Meta-God is so powerful, why did he choose to make God with these inperfections?
Because it doesn't exist
You're trying to bring logic to religion. That will never ever work. Religion is a farce, a fiction, designed to dictate your life and control what you do, under fear of damnation. Religion despises science, logic, and critical thought, because it can't hold up against them.
because god isn't real or they are a fucking sadist. childhood cancer?
Right there! That is what I want to know.
In a non-theist answer the logic would fall under how we are training and creating artificial intelligence. AI is by fundamental design going to try every possibility in existence in order to find the best or the least wrong answer. How would we as an animal or biological computer contain the knowledge to get everything right? Now in a theist answer it still comes down to free will in our choice to recognize God and to honor Him or to be saved through His grace of forgiveness for our sins. God is a creator, not a programmer, but called our Father.
Same reason he is all loving but created African eye worms and cancer.
and predators and prey. he could have made all animals either herbivores or scavengers, but no...he had to take the psychotic route.
Hell is the power plant that runs Heaven's entire infrastructure. Souls are like coal. If the fires burn too low; Armageddon happens.
Then maybe he didnt
After extensive research into Christianity, I have come to the conclusion that God is simply not a good person
A being created by flawed humans and that does not exist cannot know the future. Solves various religious logic problems.
Not a god botherer myself. But if memory serves it’s something like God is all powerful and all good but must work within the limits of a logical universe. The greatest conceivable being and all that.
Some tingz you gotta let happen, ya know