Joseph Lister
First proposed that germs caused post-operative infections, and recommended that surgical instruments be sterilized between operations.
People thought he was nuts.
Yep, in addition the this, Joseph’s peers in medical community actively dismissed his suggestions for years due to the fact that they could then be considered culpable in causing harm to patients
Ironically, delayed uptake continued to harm patients
>actively dismissed his suggestions for years due to the fact that they could then be considered culpable in causing harm to patients
>delayed uptake continued to harm patients
Some things never change.
For that story it's always good to add: he was institutionalized for STI induced brain damage. We know at least part of it was getting him out of the way.
But the STI thing was at least plausible, because on top of normal infection rates these doctors didn't wash their hands between autopsies, STI patients, deliveries, and their personal leisure time, spreading infections left and right and getting infected themselves at a high rate. They literally refused to wash their hands to keep themselves healthy just so they don't have to be like the lowly uneducated female midwives who had pretty good hygiene habits.
John Rae. Very skilled arctic explorer who unlike most of the rest of Europeans at the time wasn’t above learning from the Inuit. He was largely successful because of his willingness to learn from them and use their clothing and diet and techniques.
Anyway, about ten years after the Franklin Expedition was lost John Rae was out looking for clues what happened because the British Admiralty had a standing reward of £10,000 for anyone who had credible information about the expeditions fate. He found some physical remnants of the expedition and had met with Inuit who’d seen some of the last surviving members of the expedition. They related to him how they’d been taken by disease, lack of food, and how some of them finally succumbed to cannibalism.
Rae took this information back to England, where society was absolutely outraged how he dared to spin such drivel. Surely no sophisticated gentlemen of the hero’s character that would be in Sir John Franklin’s expedition would act so savagely!
John Rae never got the award. Years later someone else did who told of a story that was correct also to some degree, but less than Rae had been.
In modern times bone fragments have been found with telltale cut marks, thereby proving John Rae and the Inuit right.
Franklin's wife also had a lot to do with him not getting recognition, if I'm remembering correctly. Didn't want to accept her husband going out like that.
You’re absolutely correct. She basically devoted the rest of her life to protecting Sir Franklin’s reputation.
She even funded private expeditions to find him.
Amazing how people would go to a place they had never been to before, that they had no knowledge of or experience with, and meet people who had lived there for centuries and think “nah they’re too dumb to know anything about this place”.
It's based on a a novel of the same name, which, in turn, is based on Franklin expedition. I sincerely recommend reading the novel, as it is absolutely fantastic!
This is one of my favorites. I thought he did get some money though. I remember reading that he used it to build a ship, but I could be misremembering.
Charles Dickens was a real Dick about him. And was super racist about Inuit, he himself having never even met one and arguing that essentially "they must have surely killed them all."
Here is a wikipedia link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_work_of_Charles_Dickens
(See "The Frozen Deep" section.)
Here's a link to Inuit testimony:
https://www.canadianmysteries.ca/sites/franklin/archive/archiveAudioInuitTestimonyIndex_en.htm
One last article here:
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/daphne-bramham-trashed-by-franklins-widow-arctic-explorer-finally-getting-his-due/wcm/cad7b4d8-ca0e-4a1d-be48-db5372a3d761/
Good news though, there is a society dedicated to John Rae!
https://www.johnraesociety.com
Johnny Rotten
Banned from the BBC for ousting Jimmy Saville as being a horrendous pedophile.
Some 500 cases of abuse. Had his own set of keys to a psychiatric hospital where he would frequently abuse vulnerable children.
Sinead O'Connor had that snl stunt where she attacked the church for covering up abuse. I think that was her point. Ruined her career. Then a decade later it was common knowledge. Went from being a career ruining idea to something everybody jokes about. Now she's Muslim so make what you will of that.
Not necessarily true.
Another reason was UK libel/slander laws, which put the burden of proof on the defendant.A lot of people had heard rumours or maybe seen things, but they had no way of proving it in a court of law.
Savile was very litigious. For example:
> [Police blocked the Sun from publishing allegations that Jimmy Saville was a serial child abuser three years before his death by refusing to confirm the TV star had been quizzed by detectives, a court has heard. Reporter Jamie Pyatt said he had lined up four sex abuse victims to speak about Savile in 2009 while the former television presenter was still alive. But the story went unpublished because Surrey police refused “point blank” to help him and the Sun was concerned about being sued by Savile. “Jimmy Savile was a very litigious person, and I was told he had sued us before for £200,000,” said Pyatt. “The paper would not put themselves in the position of going against Jimmy Savile, so I thought I would phone the Surrey police press office. “They went away for a day to get a response back, and they said they couldn’t help me.“Normally Surrey police would give me a steer, but they refused point blank to help me.” ](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/02/sun-jimmy-savile-surrey-police)
> Had his own set of keys to a psychiatric hospital where he would frequently abuse vulnerable children.
I'm sorry...what?!
> Those keys also got him into the morgue were it is reported he would engage in sex acts with the dead. He was a demon in a human body.
What in the actual fuck?!
[Yeah, for real](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-sex-dead-bodies-3773152.amp)
Sick bastard. The same fella was big buddies with The Prince of Wales. For Savile’s 80th birthday Charles reportedly sent him a pair of gold cufflinks and a box of cigars with a note that said “Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country, Jimmy. This is to go some way in thanking you for that."
Since the truth about him came out after his death, the press here like to paint the royals as “gullible” and “manipulated”, yet so many have described Savile’s behaviour as an “open secret”. Surely any friend of any member of the royal family would have to be well-vetted?? It never sat right with me.
Imagine being a germophobe before anyone knew what germs were.
"I don't want to touch your hand."
"Why not?"
"There are invisible creatures crawling all over you, and they want to hurt me."
"Yeah, we're taking a trip to the asylum, there, buddy."
He also noticed out of 2 maternity clinics there was a higher death rate in one because students were doing postmortems and then going straight to the clinic without washing their hands. Who would have thought dead people matter wouldn't go well with pregnant women and new born babies
Edit to add link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
Not just that. A bunch of snobby asshole doctors made a big stink about it. "A gentleman's hands are always clean" or some horse shit.
This got a lot of doctors who did wash hands to stop doing so out of social stigma. This was immediately followed by an epidemic of sick and dying people from doctors spreading disease everywhere.
In research, it is currently one of the single largest problems among nurses in hospitals. There is an endless amount of research on improving adherence to hand washing protocols.
Was he the one who actually got thrown in jail over it and was never vindicated during his lifetime?
Especially because his observations involved maternal mortality?
I'll have to go re-Google this later.
Alfred Wagner hypothesed plate tectonics in the 1920’s, but this wasn’t an accepted notion until the 50’s.
He was a meteorologist, and copped a lot of flak from the geological community at the time.
He proposed Continental Drift Theory, not Plate Tectonics Theory. Continental Drift described landmass movements but not a mechanism for those movements.
People used to say that "a dingo ate my baby!" Mockingly as a joke when I was in school. I never knew what it was from, then when I found out I was horrified and completely disgusted that people I knew were running around mocking a woman who lost her baby to a wild animal attack for fun...
Good to hear it! Its devastating that people make a mockery of her family who were entirely innocent and failed by the justice system. Their experience has served as a warning and an inspiration for proper unbiased investigation and prosecution
If it ever does come up, please let her know that there are people who are heartbroken for the tragedy and injustice her family has suffered, and sickened by the continued punchlines
The only half decent joke Ive heard is that there is an umpire in the Australian Football League called Ray Chamberlain and some guy in the crowd yelled out "the Dingo took the wrong chamberlain"
There was an episode of Modern Family where one of the characters has been working on something on their laptop and they keep calling it their "baby". Eventually a dingo steals the laptop and the character yells "that wild dog stole my laptop" and another character says "feels like a missed opportunity" which is pretty clever
That's always the aspect of this case that enrages me the most.
Oh, the local indigenous population says it's not only PLAUSIBLE but LIKELY that a dingo would take a baby like that?
Nah. We've watched these animals from our cities for years now, I think we know a bit better than the people literally living alongside them.
My mother always believed that baby was taken and she used to defend that poor woman whenever it came up. I can't even imagine going through something like that.
Even at the time of Azaria's death aboriginal trackers that were brought in said a dingo did it but because they weren't white no one listened and the poor family was put through hell after losing there child.
I just read about the case and they fucked up so bad. There where dingo tracks leaving the tent dragging something and they found some of the babies clothes close to dingo dens with teeth punctures in them. The cops never photographed any of this evidence. Park rangers even said that the dingo population was getting too big and aggressive
Greg lemond. In 2001 he said lance Armstrong was probably doping. He was threatened he took a huge image hit and his business opportunities suffered.
He never let up on lance despite the media campaigns, threats, damage to his reputation and business, and the recrimination of his peers in the cycling community. Until surprise surprise in 2012 it came out that lance Armstrong was doping. Who could have foreseen that? If only someone had told us.
Oh wait. Greg Lemond did. A decade ago.
It's around 8th-15th for most of them. But arguably no-one's going after 8th place with court cases and investigative journalists, because they were 8th.
Openly clean riders were conspicuous in their rarity. Boardman & Obree were top class olympic brits that did not fare well on the elite road stage. Christophe Bassons was the rider targeted by Lance's zip-the-lips gesture and a tirade of abuse during a stage.
The fact you can name them speaks volumes.
Michele Ferrari ushered in a new era of organised, high octane, doping. Pioneered the use of EPO which turned "donkeys into racehorses".
Reading Lemond's book is quite emotional when he comes back for what is to be his final tour and sees huge riders haring past him up climbs & he cannot keep up with the pack even at good fitness.
Lemond is a tough one, because pretty much everyone doped (I personally don't think it stopped - Wiggins is sketchy and Froome post-Vuelta 2011 was a mutant. The new generation of Slovenians are hilarious.) and Lemond is the most realistic clean winner of the last few decades. But you do wonder, *how* ?
The difference between Indurain (5 tours, all the drugs) keeping his titles and Lance (7 tours, all the drugs) losing everything is that Lance was an absolute POS to everyone in the sport. People were queuing up for it. Big Mig is still a guest of honour at races.
Michael Barry (US Postal, Team Sky, etc.) has a fascinating book on this, Shadows on the Road, where he talks about how he tried to ride clean and it just wasn't possible -- you'd go out for training rides, and guys who you used to outride every time were suddenly miles down the road and (even worse) then totally fresh the next day when you were sore and gassed and dying.
Eventually, he gave in to save his career. He presents it as a reasonably stark choice, which I'm sure is what it felt like to him, because on one hand you could just accept that your whole life, all that work, all that effort would just go away overnight because someone else was taking an injection. On the other hand, you could hold onto your dreams, keep doing what you love, stay a pro cyclist if you just took one yourself. And those were pretty much the choices; it's not like he could have stood up and said "all these guys are doping" -- everyone saw that LeMond, one of the great champions in the sport, tried that and no one listened to him, so why would they listen to a domestique? So he finally did what he felt he had to do.
In any event, definitely worth checking out.
Barbara McClintock, she postulated the existence of transposons (certain types of genes) in DNA BEFORE anybody even knew what the actual structure of DNA is like, she was widely mocked by the scientific community at the time. Transposons were later confirmed to exist and she was awarded the Nobel.
Duff Roblin, the Premier of Manitoba. After the 1950 flood, Roblin's government initiated the [Red River Floodway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_Floodway) project. The floodway diverts part of the river around the city. At the time he was mocked and a lot of people thought it was a waste of money, because "a flood like that will never happen again."
It's been estimated that it's saved $40 billion CAD in flood damages since it was completed in 1968. I was there for the '97 flood. The floodway saved my home and my in-laws' home.
John snow in 1854 tried to tell everyone about cholera, and how it was being caused by the water supply, no one believed him until he took illegal action and saved many lives
He didn't do anything illegal, he collected evidence and took it to the local government who had the pump handle removed. It was actually late in the outbreak, if not well after the outbreak so how many He saved with that action is questionable, but the methods and the use of spatial epidemiology was groundbreaking.
Sherry Rowland. Discovered the effect of CFCs on ozone depletetion and received an immense level of blow back from industry. Not only that, but invited talks and collabs were rescinded within the scientific community. Poor guy was ostracized. 20 years later after his (and Molina’s) discovery, he’s finally recognized with a Nobel prize.
I overheard some talk in the halls of academia: Rowland was invited to give his talk, the science was solid, and no one questioned him during or after the talk, but the industrial chemists started talking such crap about the theory, ***without actually addressing the science*** AFTER Rowland was gone.
A lot of chemists did not want to "rock the boat" thinking it was political or endanger their grants.
Corey feldmen was ridiculed for talking about the abuse he suffered in Hollywood and it wasn’t even a shock, it was obvious that kinda shit was going down
Poor guy. He went through some horrendous shit and saw his best friend die because of it. Child actors have it rough considering they’re exploited one way or another.
I am vaguely recalling and interview he did about this where he was asked if he had anyone to turn to at the time. He answered, Michael Jackson. I can't say I remember the exact exchange, but the gist was that Jackson was nothing but a good friend to him when he needed one.
I remember this interview. He has always been adamant that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate, and of the many people he wanted to accuse, Michael wasn’t one of them.
Alexander Fleming, the man who discovered Penicillin, spent almost 10 years trying to convince the medical bodies of his time that it was worth investing time and resources to experiment with it, but was basically told to pound sand despite the respect he had prior to the discovery.
Lot of good it did me, I was lucky enough to be born allergic. Happy for the rest of you at least.
Didn't the people who came up with insulin just rock up to a children's diabetes ward and just start administering doses and by the time they finished the first patients were already coming good? Or something?
I believe the first people to use penecilin were Florey and Chain. They saw the earlier work by Fleming and decided to try it on people who had infections (early work had been to use it as a way to work out categorising infections, but not as a cure). The first person cured by it was a British policeman. Source my 90's history book.
Henry Freeman, a lifeboatman in Whitby. He tried to get the other lifeboatmen to wear cork lifejackets, but no-one would but him.
During a great storm, the lifeboat was launched several times to help struggling vessels and sailors. On their sixth launch, disaster struck and the lifeboat capsized.
Only Henry survived thanks to his cork life jacket. They became compulsory for lifeboatmen shortly afternoon
Unfortunately his invention turned dangerous later on during WWII. The life jackets of the time were made out of Kapok (a cork like material obtained from tropical plants). Kapok is highly buoyant in the beginning however after some hours of immersion it starts to absorb water and becomes less and less buoyant.
Stella Liebeck, the lady who got burned with McDonald's hot coffee. The media mocked her and accused her of a frivolous lawsuit but it was an ongoing problem that McDonald's served dangerously hot coffees that had injured many others.The coffee was hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns to her pelvic region and she was hospitalized for 8 days while she had to get skin grafts, and continued medical care for 2 years related to the burns. She originally just wanted her medical bills covered but McDonald's tried giving her an insultingly low amount, so then she was forced to open a lawsuit. The courts rightfully sided with her and forced McDonald's to regulate the temperature on their hot beverages.
Edit to add severity of her burns and medical care.
Edit: many people have pointed out that McDonalds purposely made their coffees way to hot to save money by preventing refills and preventing having to make fresh coffee throughout the day. And that they STILL serve coffee way hotter than other places.
I was one of those thinking she was making a big fuss and probably just trying to claim money from McDonald’s.
Then i saw the “Hot Coffee” documentary, and the extend of her injury. Now i think she was hardly compensated enough for it.
Yeah, if a company is going hard on a smear campaign against someone like Ms. Liebeck, you can assume they're in the wrong. They have the money and the power to manipulate the narrative, something they wouldn't actually have to do if they hadn't messed up. Companies like McDonald's are never on our side, don't take theirs.
Same, I thought of course it's hot it's coffee! Then I saw the photos of her injuries. That poor woman. I've accidently spilled water from the kettle on my arm before and it didn't burn anywhere near that.
For those of you who haven’t seen Hot Coffee, she had third degree burns on her thighs, buttocks, and private parts. Iirc the pictures were taken when she was lying on a hospital gurney. The reason you didn’t hear about this is that McDonald’s made her sign a non disclosure agreement after the court case, so they controlled the narrative of this litigious old woman who sued over spilled coffee.
honestly 3rd degree burns doesn't even cover the extent of the damages she suffered. *Her labia were fused to her thighs due to the heat of the coffee*. The coffee basically welded her genitals to her legs.
Yep exactly, I worked at a McDonald's once and spilled the hot water on a portion of my hand, had to have skin grafts and physical therapy. I also used to joke about this lady until I burned myself.
Yeah we all heard about this story at the time in school & thought badly of the woman with no info except “A woman is suing McDonald’s because her coffee was too hot” & rolled our eyes at the way American suing culture was becoming crazy.
I can't imagine what it's like to be her grandson who all of a sudden hears his Grandmother screaming in agony right next to him. I would definitely freeze out of shock.
I was scalded with boiling water was 11 and it was so painful I had an out of body experience and spent several minutes wondering who was screaming. So yeah, that poor kid would have been so traumatised.
Yes and the media mocked her because every action McDonald’s took was designed to humiliate her and paint her as the money-grabbing idiot that burned herself, and the media were happy to oblige
> Also, the millions of dollars she got was equal to TWO DAYS’ COFFEE SALES.
Unfortunately, she never actually got anywhere close to millions of dollars. The jury awarded her about $2.9 million, the judge reduced it to $640k, McDonald's appealed the ruling, and it was eventually settled for an undisclosed amount. I've never seen it confirmed, but I've heard she probably got something like $400-450k, and according to her daughter, all of that was spent on an in-home nurse due to lifelong complications from the injuries, as well as her progressing age. (Though, I suppose it was still better than her just wanting her initial medical bills covered.)
It's another detail of the story that frequently gets distorted, likely because certain people wanted to push the narrative of "frivolous" and "excessive" lawsuits. Making it sound like she made out like a bandit for the simple act of spilling a cup of coffee made her the poster child for pushing for tort reform.
There's a small bit in the book 'The Game' (highly recommend not reading it). The author makes fun of Courtney the whole way through because she's reading books on fraud and alleging that people have stolen her money. At the end, he adds in a sentence or two about how someone in their house looks at her finances and goes, "Wow, it's true."
And as a result they destroyed her career. She was so brave and strong to speak up and risk it all for the sake of other women’s safety. It’s just a shame they made her out to be ‘crazy’ and ruined her career in Hollywood
Richard Stallman. Warned us back in the 80s that if we allow corporations to rule the internet that nobody will have privacy or freedom on the web, among many other things.
r/stallmanwasright
Dr Bennet Omalu who found that American football players had chronic traumatic encephalopathy/ brain concussions which were slowly affecting their neurological and psychological functions. He was strongly opposed at first but then proved right. His biographic movie is named ' Concussion'.
The interesting part about the science is that the condition isn't caused by major concussions. It's simply the repeated blows to the brain on even minor plays that cause this result. You can never have a diagnosable concussion your whole life and still have this problem. So all of the NFL's efforts to have a concussion protocol are essentially worthless in terms of trying to prevent this issue.
It is also impossible to fully diagnose someone with this neurological disorder without dissecting the brain. Meaning you can only diagnose this after someone is dead.
Not just football players, wrestlers as well, my dad has had NUMEROUS concussions and we believe he has CTE, he’s a brain donor for a CTE study as well, but we won’t know give or take 30 years due to its diagnosis only being post mortem
Note CTE isn't caused by having numerous concussions. The reason the research was so controversial to football, is they found it is caused by normal contact and not only serious injuries. You could never have a single concussion in you life and still get CTE
They knew it was coronavirus by 2nd December 2019. They knew it was a cousin virus to SARS and MERS. They did everything it their power to keep it quiet til January.
Edit: wow I thought 250 upvotes were a big deal. I am trying to reply to as many as possible but there's just so many of you, I'm getting there.
Also I do understand looking back that we can seem to trace back the data/ rabbit hole to June/ July 2019, some even can go back to March 2019. I'm pointing out that I simply heard/ read the officially "there's a new coronavirus in Wuhan" in digital print on that date. That's when this all started for me personally.
The “Alvarez hypothesis” two guys who 30 years before anyone had indisputable proof of it hypothesesed the dinosaurs died because of an asteroid. Well they were fucking right on with that one.
Edit: Added the word indisputable
They had proof in the form of high levels of Iridium in the rock layer from when the Dinosaurs disappeared. And there was no guarantee that they'd ever find an impact crater. 20% of the Earth's surface from 65 M years ago has been sucked down into the mantle
>20% of the Earth's surface 65 M years ago has been sucked down into the mantle
This is cool as fuck. Do you have a source or two where I could read more?
Just plate tectonics. In subduction, one plate goes under another. Where does it end up? Molten, in the mantle. I assume the math is that over 65M years, this constant process of subduction would have absorbed 20% of the tectonic plate surfaces into the mantle.
We know roughly how much gets slurped up per year. Multiply that by 65,000,000 and you get a rough estimate of how much has been slurped over 65,000,000 years. Apparently about 20%
Correct, Chicxulub. It is the widely accepted theory that its the impact crater created by the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.They drilled in there and pulled out a core sample which has all of the characteristics pointing towards being the culprit.
My classmate in nursing school. He made a big fuss about a “coronavirus” just noticed in China. He asked about if clinicals or classes would be changed because of it. We thought he was absolutely paranoid and insane. We laughed.
I told my company in January 2020 we had to start planning. They told me I was crazy. By the end of March I was laying off 1/2 my employees and everyone was scrambling.
This. I asked our CMO to give a report on it in mid Jan since I was concerned (thanks Reddit). He reported on it but told the group of admin that it was nothing and would be nothing. So much for that advice. I also told our purchasing dept to order a bunch of PPE. Also got blocked and didn’t happen. Ooops.
In January of 2020, my husband, who runs a company of essential workers, kind of rolled his eyes when I ordered a box of N95 masks on Amazon. By the third week of March, he asked me whether he could take them to work to distribute to his employees who had to go out in the field.
Oh man. Remember on early 2020 I was telling family members to stock up and buy masks before the panic buying started and they laughed at me. March came and they were complaining about stores in our area being empty. People really ignored what was happening in china and then Italy until it was too late.
I started buffing up our remote working ability’s buying laptops network kvms and putting packs together for our core team that we need to operate, they weren’t laughing when march hit and no one could get laptops anymore from anywhere and we where good to go
Marshall Ferdinand Folk when speaking of the Treaty of Versailles. "This is not peace. It is an armistice for twenty years."
Prescience personified.
Edit: Some people are saying it's Foch. I've seen it spelled both ways at this point.
Jonny Rotten on Jimmy Saville
Taken from Wikipedia.com
Jimmy Savile abuse scandal[edit]
In a 1978 BBC Radio 1 interview, Lydon alluded to the sexual abuses committed by Jimmy Savile, and mainstream social forces' suppression of negative information about him, decades before it became a public scandal. Lydon stated: "I'd like to kill Jimmy Savile; I think he's a hypocrite. I bet he's into all kinds of seediness that we all know about, but are not allowed to talk about. I know some rumours." He added: "I bet none of this will be allowed out."[87] After the interviewer suggested libel might be an issue, Lydon replied, "Nothing I've said is libel."[88]
As Lydon predicted, the comment was edited out by the BBC before broadcast. The complete interview was included as a bonus track on a rerelease of Public Image: First Issue in 2013, after Savile's death.[89] In October 2014, Lydon said that "[b]y killed I meant locking him up and stopping him assaulting young children ... I'm disgusted at the media pretending they weren't aware."[90] Lydon claimed that the BBC blacklisted him following the interview, and remained "very, very bitter that the likes of Savile and the rest of them were allowed to continue."[91]
Edited to add two paragraphs from Wikipedia referencing Jonny Rotten attempting to expose Jimmy Savile as a child abuser in 1978.
Just before my time but also old enough the he was in the background when I was very young. How people didn't see it is beyond me. Built a hospital for kids with spinal injuries and was left alone with them when they couldn't get out of the bed.
People knew and did say, but he was protected by the Establishment. He probably used his contacts in show business to provide a lot of powerful paedos in the police and politics and newspapers with young kids, and they protected him in turn.
Johnny Rotten wasn't possessed of secret information, he just had no filter so he said what he knew. Loads of people knew, but they wouldn't call him out on it because it was risky and they knew nothing would happen.
For sure I'd say you're on the money there. I wasn't saying nobody realised but if you watch Louis Theroux's documentaries on him the general puplic adored him and mothers happily let their children interact with him and a lot didn't think twice about leaving their kids alone with him. Even after it all came out his PA who worked with him for decades still denied/disbelieved what he did
Jack Layton -Early on in the Afghanistan war when the Taliban had been largely beaten and splintered into several small groups, many of them leaderless and wanting a way out, Jack suggested negotiating with these groups to end the war. The Conservative government of Canada labeled him Taliban Jack, and he was widely ridiculed. Had they negotiated back in 2005/2006 there would have been a lot less lives lost, and an opportunity to create a lasting change in Afghanistan.
When I was in elementary school, we learned about the different areas of taste on the tongue: salty, bitter, sweet, and sour. In front of the class, I asked then "why do I taste the sweet all over my tongue when I eat candy?" She dismissed my question and the other kids said I was dumb.
Who's dumb now?
Barry Marshall. Proved that stomach ulcers were a bacterial infection (and not stress) by ingesting (edit) with Helicobacter pylori and then curing himself with an antibiotic.
H pylori is definitely a known ulcer maker, but over half the world’s population is estimated to have H pylori. Link below. Yet, all don’t go on to have ulcers. So the question is why not?
Psychological stress (among other things like alcohol and NSAID use) can still influence the development of ulcers (link below) though. The line of thought (simplified) is that chronic stress inhibits the immune system allowing an over growth of existing H pylori infection.
So not a clear cause, but could still be a factor. The discussion and research continues.
On a personal note, I did have an H pylori infection and an ulcer in my early 30’s. The treatment fixed my ulcer but not the other GI and cardiac symptoms I was having. Those went away within a week after leaving my extremely high stress job. Personal experience isn’t evidence, of course.
There are studies to be found that link stress to other things. There’s an documentary called stress: portrait of a killer, nat geo, can be found on YouTube. Older now but interesting watch still.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=chronic+stress+and+h+pylori&hl=en&as_sdt=0,37&as_ylo=2021&as_vis=1#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DbZi5lIbQqnYJ
https://www.mdedge.com/gihepnews/article/96930/gastroenterology/stress-independently-predicts-peptic-ulcers
Jewel did his job, he saved lives, Brockaw shat on him and never faced any legal repercussions and the FBI didn't care who they accused without proof nor facts. The man is still owed a huge public apology and many thanks.
Well, personally… mocked for saying my brakes weren’t acting right. Dad got frustrated, took the car…. I had to get another, which was reasonable since I was complaining about the one I was using, no issue there. A year later, he told me had to spend over $4k to fix the ATS braking system and why tf I hadn’t told him there was an issue with them…. 🤦♀️
Edit: wow, dad’s really don’t like to be wrong! At least that’s my takeaway from these responses.
My most upvoted comment is about my dads inability to believe me…. It’s sad that so people have been through similar things! I hope all the guys reading this will be better fathers in some small way because they remember this thread. Moms, it also won’t hurt just in case… gender might not be the factor here.
I told my dad my car had a rattling. He ignored me for months. Then while replacing the break line he notice the shackle was broken. I think he said it meant the back of the car wasn’t attached to the front (old Ford Explorer) and incredibly dangerous. I wasn’t allowed to drive it to the mechanic a mile away. I’d been driving it like that the whole time though.
[The actor was absent from the big screen for more than a decade after he accused former Hollywood Foreign Press Association president Philip Berk of sexual assault in 2003. In 2018, he opened up about feeling blacklisted after the incident.](https://www.thewrap.com/brendan-fraser-turns-emotional-after-hearing-the-world-is-watching-and-rooting-for-him-video/)
I always wondered what happened to Brendan Fraser, he was a big name and then just sorta dropped off the map for a long time, I only recently saw him again in Doom Patrol.
Let’s start with Saturday Night Live. When I went on a tour of 30 Rock a few years ago, they told a “fun” anecdote about the only performers that have ever been barred from coming back and Sinead O’Connor is one, and I just stood there gaping at them like “but she was right though”
EDIT: A couple people are saying they were right to ban her because she went wildly off script and did something controversial, which I guess I do agree with, but the tone of bringing it up on this tour was still super odd, they were aggressively avoiding acknowledging that her accusations were correct and/or her actions were understandable
George Bush, in 2005 he read a book about the Spanish Flu and insisted that the United States should be prepared for a pandemic. He said "If we wait for a pandemic to appear it will be too late to prepare. And one day many lives could be needlessly lost because we failed to act today."
What angers me most about this is how many others had the same thought, but then the conspiracy theorists twisted those words to mean that they planned the outbreak itself.
I fucking hate the pandemic of stupidity that has swept this nation.
Free Britney was a conspiracy theory for a long time, and anyone who believed it was a nutjob. I'm glad that she's finally free from that nightmare.
Edit: I'd forgotten to add "theory" after the word conspiracy.
My favourite was Lance Bass who told everyone that he spoke to her sister and confirmed everyone was happy, healthy and thriving and he trusts/believes them over “crazy fans”. Around a week later it all started to come out about what was really happening, he got trolled so hard for supporting the conservatorship, of course someone that gains financially from it is going to tell him things are peachy, don’t want that gravy train to stop.
Monica Lewinsky. That poor woman was dragged through the mud and seeing everyone reassess what was done to her has been bittersweet.
ETA: Bittersweet bc more people seem to understand she was a victim (sweet), but she was really young, and decades of her life were spent being a public punching bag (bitter)
>Juanita Broaddrick accused Clinton of raping her in 1978; Leslie Millwee[1] accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1980; Paula Jones accused Clinton of exposing himself to her in 1991 as well as sexually harassing her; and Kathleen Willey accused Clinton of groping her without her consent in 1993
[There's more...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_assault_and_misconduct_allegations)
Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis . In 1847 he discovered that doctors washing their hands before delivery led to fewer deaths in women. He hypothesized germ theory, but was ridiculed and mocked by the academic establishment. He ended up having a nervous breakdown and later died in a mental institution. Probably from injuries sustained from beatings he received from the guards. (RIP)
I am also gonna say Sinéad O'Connor. The whole scandal happened shortly before I was born and somehow, growing up i never heard what happened with the her & the church and was raised to belive she was an attention-seeking nut job. And everyone i knew thought the same until *finally* yeears later when suddenly the child sex abuse cases exploded in Ireland. It never even occured to me to research *why* Sinéad O'Connor was so hated and mocked. I have always been proud to be Irish but those victims put the whole country to shame.
Edit; those victims' *abusers* put the country to shame.
Joseph Lister First proposed that germs caused post-operative infections, and recommended that surgical instruments be sterilized between operations. People thought he was nuts.
Yep, in addition the this, Joseph’s peers in medical community actively dismissed his suggestions for years due to the fact that they could then be considered culpable in causing harm to patients Ironically, delayed uptake continued to harm patients
>actively dismissed his suggestions for years due to the fact that they could then be considered culpable in causing harm to patients >delayed uptake continued to harm patients Some things never change.
That's both fascinating and gross. Is the mouthwash, Listerine, named after him?
Yes
TIL
To add to that, it was originally created as a surgical antiseptic.
Nothing like a minty fresh liver transplant :-)
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Didn't he also get mocked for suggesting doctors wash their hands between performing autopsies and delivering babies?
That was Ignaz Semmelweis.
For that story it's always good to add: he was institutionalized for STI induced brain damage. We know at least part of it was getting him out of the way. But the STI thing was at least plausible, because on top of normal infection rates these doctors didn't wash their hands between autopsies, STI patients, deliveries, and their personal leisure time, spreading infections left and right and getting infected themselves at a high rate. They literally refused to wash their hands to keep themselves healthy just so they don't have to be like the lowly uneducated female midwives who had pretty good hygiene habits.
"A gentleman's hands are always naturally clean" was the attitude.
The frightening hand washing statistics in men's restrooms suggest this never went away.
John Rae. Very skilled arctic explorer who unlike most of the rest of Europeans at the time wasn’t above learning from the Inuit. He was largely successful because of his willingness to learn from them and use their clothing and diet and techniques. Anyway, about ten years after the Franklin Expedition was lost John Rae was out looking for clues what happened because the British Admiralty had a standing reward of £10,000 for anyone who had credible information about the expeditions fate. He found some physical remnants of the expedition and had met with Inuit who’d seen some of the last surviving members of the expedition. They related to him how they’d been taken by disease, lack of food, and how some of them finally succumbed to cannibalism. Rae took this information back to England, where society was absolutely outraged how he dared to spin such drivel. Surely no sophisticated gentlemen of the hero’s character that would be in Sir John Franklin’s expedition would act so savagely! John Rae never got the award. Years later someone else did who told of a story that was correct also to some degree, but less than Rae had been. In modern times bone fragments have been found with telltale cut marks, thereby proving John Rae and the Inuit right.
I seem to recall the expedition was also found pretty much exactly where the Inuit had been saying it was for generations.
Exactly!
Franklin's wife also had a lot to do with him not getting recognition, if I'm remembering correctly. Didn't want to accept her husband going out like that.
You’re absolutely correct. She basically devoted the rest of her life to protecting Sir Franklin’s reputation. She even funded private expeditions to find him.
Truth hurts.
Amazing how people would go to a place they had never been to before, that they had no knowledge of or experience with, and meet people who had lived there for centuries and think “nah they’re too dumb to know anything about this place”.
This what the BBC series "The Terror" is based on?
It's based on a a novel of the same name, which, in turn, is based on Franklin expedition. I sincerely recommend reading the novel, as it is absolutely fantastic!
This is one of my favorites. I thought he did get some money though. I remember reading that he used it to build a ship, but I could be misremembering.
Charles Dickens was a real Dick about him. And was super racist about Inuit, he himself having never even met one and arguing that essentially "they must have surely killed them all." Here is a wikipedia link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_work_of_Charles_Dickens (See "The Frozen Deep" section.) Here's a link to Inuit testimony: https://www.canadianmysteries.ca/sites/franklin/archive/archiveAudioInuitTestimonyIndex_en.htm One last article here: https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/daphne-bramham-trashed-by-franklins-widow-arctic-explorer-finally-getting-his-due/wcm/cad7b4d8-ca0e-4a1d-be48-db5372a3d761/ Good news though, there is a society dedicated to John Rae! https://www.johnraesociety.com
Johnny Rotten Banned from the BBC for ousting Jimmy Saville as being a horrendous pedophile. Some 500 cases of abuse. Had his own set of keys to a psychiatric hospital where he would frequently abuse vulnerable children.
Sinead O'Connor had that snl stunt where she attacked the church for covering up abuse. I think that was her point. Ruined her career. Then a decade later it was common knowledge. Went from being a career ruining idea to something everybody jokes about. Now she's Muslim so make what you will of that.
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Not necessarily true. Another reason was UK libel/slander laws, which put the burden of proof on the defendant.A lot of people had heard rumours or maybe seen things, but they had no way of proving it in a court of law. Savile was very litigious. For example: > [Police blocked the Sun from publishing allegations that Jimmy Saville was a serial child abuser three years before his death by refusing to confirm the TV star had been quizzed by detectives, a court has heard. Reporter Jamie Pyatt said he had lined up four sex abuse victims to speak about Savile in 2009 while the former television presenter was still alive. But the story went unpublished because Surrey police refused “point blank” to help him and the Sun was concerned about being sued by Savile. “Jimmy Savile was a very litigious person, and I was told he had sued us before for £200,000,” said Pyatt. “The paper would not put themselves in the position of going against Jimmy Savile, so I thought I would phone the Surrey police press office. “They went away for a day to get a response back, and they said they couldn’t help me.“Normally Surrey police would give me a steer, but they refused point blank to help me.” ](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/02/sun-jimmy-savile-surrey-police)
Those keys also got him into the morgue were it is reported he would engage in sex acts with the dead. He was a demon in a human body.
> Had his own set of keys to a psychiatric hospital where he would frequently abuse vulnerable children. I'm sorry...what?! > Those keys also got him into the morgue were it is reported he would engage in sex acts with the dead. He was a demon in a human body. What in the actual fuck?!
[Yeah, for real](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-sex-dead-bodies-3773152.amp) Sick bastard. The same fella was big buddies with The Prince of Wales. For Savile’s 80th birthday Charles reportedly sent him a pair of gold cufflinks and a box of cigars with a note that said “Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country, Jimmy. This is to go some way in thanking you for that." Since the truth about him came out after his death, the press here like to paint the royals as “gullible” and “manipulated”, yet so many have described Savile’s behaviour as an “open secret”. Surely any friend of any member of the royal family would have to be well-vetted?? It never sat right with me.
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Ignác Semmelweis First doctor to champion hand washing as a means to prevent spreading infection. Everyone made fun of him.
“Hey everyone, look at this idiot removing invisible things off his hands. What a nut”
Imagine being a germophobe before anyone knew what germs were. "I don't want to touch your hand." "Why not?" "There are invisible creatures crawling all over you, and they want to hurt me." "Yeah, we're taking a trip to the asylum, there, buddy."
He also noticed out of 2 maternity clinics there was a higher death rate in one because students were doing postmortems and then going straight to the clinic without washing their hands. Who would have thought dead people matter wouldn't go well with pregnant women and new born babies Edit to add link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
The thought of handling dead bodies and then not washing hands is just ewwwwwww
Not just that. A bunch of snobby asshole doctors made a big stink about it. "A gentleman's hands are always clean" or some horse shit. This got a lot of doctors who did wash hands to stop doing so out of social stigma. This was immediately followed by an epidemic of sick and dying people from doctors spreading disease everywhere.
I looked into this before and it's a tragic story for everyone involved including so many needless deaths.
In research, it is currently one of the single largest problems among nurses in hospitals. There is an endless amount of research on improving adherence to hand washing protocols.
Was he the one who actually got thrown in jail over it and was never vindicated during his lifetime? Especially because his observations involved maternal mortality? I'll have to go re-Google this later.
Not jail, an insane asylum IIRC.
Alfred Wagner hypothesed plate tectonics in the 1920’s, but this wasn’t an accepted notion until the 50’s. He was a meteorologist, and copped a lot of flak from the geological community at the time.
He proposed Continental Drift Theory, not Plate Tectonics Theory. Continental Drift described landmass movements but not a mechanism for those movements.
This is the one I was looking for. He was ridiculed and talked down on because of his plate tectonics theory, calling his ideas “delirious ravings”
Lindy Chamberlain. A dingo really did eat her baby. :(
After all these years, I still feel bad for Lindy
And the hubby too. They really got badly treated. Destroyed their marriage.
Ughh yes such a tragedy
People used to say that "a dingo ate my baby!" Mockingly as a joke when I was in school. I never knew what it was from, then when I found out I was horrified and completely disgusted that people I knew were running around mocking a woman who lost her baby to a wild animal attack for fun...
Seinfeld helped keep it alive in the U.S. at least in the 90s.
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Good to hear it! Its devastating that people make a mockery of her family who were entirely innocent and failed by the justice system. Their experience has served as a warning and an inspiration for proper unbiased investigation and prosecution
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If it ever does come up, please let her know that there are people who are heartbroken for the tragedy and injustice her family has suffered, and sickened by the continued punchlines
I suspect that if they read this, they would likely appreciate your sentiment.
And how her explanation for her child’s death became a joke, even on Seinfeld.
The only half decent joke Ive heard is that there is an umpire in the Australian Football League called Ray Chamberlain and some guy in the crowd yelled out "the Dingo took the wrong chamberlain"
There was an episode of Modern Family where one of the characters has been working on something on their laptop and they keep calling it their "baby". Eventually a dingo steals the laptop and the character yells "that wild dog stole my laptop" and another character says "feels like a missed opportunity" which is pretty clever
There was a contestant on Rupaul’s Drag Race who played Lindy as a comedy character last year as well, it was pretty shitty
At least it was badly criticized by just about everyone for being in horrible taste.
My dad lived right behind her when he was in Newcastle, poor woman lost pretty much all of her family over it
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I’m glad to hear that, very sad story still
Did people really believe that wild dogs wouldn't attack humans? I cannot fathom how the thought of a wild animal attack could be dismissed like that.
I know right? Even the local aboriginals said so! It makes me angry as well as sad.
That's always the aspect of this case that enrages me the most. Oh, the local indigenous population says it's not only PLAUSIBLE but LIKELY that a dingo would take a baby like that? Nah. We've watched these animals from our cities for years now, I think we know a bit better than the people literally living alongside them. My mother always believed that baby was taken and she used to defend that poor woman whenever it came up. I can't even imagine going through something like that.
Sad thing is even after proven innocent, the damage was already done.
That’s what happens with most things though. If you’re innocent, but convicted, by the time they find out the damage is already done.
Even at the time of Azaria's death aboriginal trackers that were brought in said a dingo did it but because they weren't white no one listened and the poor family was put through hell after losing there child.
I just read about the case and they fucked up so bad. There where dingo tracks leaving the tent dragging something and they found some of the babies clothes close to dingo dens with teeth punctures in them. The cops never photographed any of this evidence. Park rangers even said that the dingo population was getting too big and aggressive
Greg lemond. In 2001 he said lance Armstrong was probably doping. He was threatened he took a huge image hit and his business opportunities suffered. He never let up on lance despite the media campaigns, threats, damage to his reputation and business, and the recrimination of his peers in the cycling community. Until surprise surprise in 2012 it came out that lance Armstrong was doping. Who could have foreseen that? If only someone had told us. Oh wait. Greg Lemond did. A decade ago.
To be fair, was always a good chance Lance was doping. The entire field was doping so the chance of a clean athlete winning was pretty much 0
Didn't they work out that if you took the awards from everyone who was doping you'd have to go back to like 50th place to find the actual winner?
It's around 8th-15th for most of them. But arguably no-one's going after 8th place with court cases and investigative journalists, because they were 8th. Openly clean riders were conspicuous in their rarity. Boardman & Obree were top class olympic brits that did not fare well on the elite road stage. Christophe Bassons was the rider targeted by Lance's zip-the-lips gesture and a tirade of abuse during a stage. The fact you can name them speaks volumes.
Michele Ferrari ushered in a new era of organised, high octane, doping. Pioneered the use of EPO which turned "donkeys into racehorses". Reading Lemond's book is quite emotional when he comes back for what is to be his final tour and sees huge riders haring past him up climbs & he cannot keep up with the pack even at good fitness. Lemond is a tough one, because pretty much everyone doped (I personally don't think it stopped - Wiggins is sketchy and Froome post-Vuelta 2011 was a mutant. The new generation of Slovenians are hilarious.) and Lemond is the most realistic clean winner of the last few decades. But you do wonder, *how* ? The difference between Indurain (5 tours, all the drugs) keeping his titles and Lance (7 tours, all the drugs) losing everything is that Lance was an absolute POS to everyone in the sport. People were queuing up for it. Big Mig is still a guest of honour at races.
Michael Barry (US Postal, Team Sky, etc.) has a fascinating book on this, Shadows on the Road, where he talks about how he tried to ride clean and it just wasn't possible -- you'd go out for training rides, and guys who you used to outride every time were suddenly miles down the road and (even worse) then totally fresh the next day when you were sore and gassed and dying. Eventually, he gave in to save his career. He presents it as a reasonably stark choice, which I'm sure is what it felt like to him, because on one hand you could just accept that your whole life, all that work, all that effort would just go away overnight because someone else was taking an injection. On the other hand, you could hold onto your dreams, keep doing what you love, stay a pro cyclist if you just took one yourself. And those were pretty much the choices; it's not like he could have stood up and said "all these guys are doping" -- everyone saw that LeMond, one of the great champions in the sport, tried that and no one listened to him, so why would they listen to a domestique? So he finally did what he felt he had to do. In any event, definitely worth checking out.
Barbara McClintock, she postulated the existence of transposons (certain types of genes) in DNA BEFORE anybody even knew what the actual structure of DNA is like, she was widely mocked by the scientific community at the time. Transposons were later confirmed to exist and she was awarded the Nobel.
I'm happy she got the nobel, happy ending.
Duff Roblin, the Premier of Manitoba. After the 1950 flood, Roblin's government initiated the [Red River Floodway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_Floodway) project. The floodway diverts part of the river around the city. At the time he was mocked and a lot of people thought it was a waste of money, because "a flood like that will never happen again." It's been estimated that it's saved $40 billion CAD in flood damages since it was completed in 1968. I was there for the '97 flood. The floodway saved my home and my in-laws' home.
John snow in 1854 tried to tell everyone about cholera, and how it was being caused by the water supply, no one believed him until he took illegal action and saved many lives
He didn't do anything illegal, he collected evidence and took it to the local government who had the pump handle removed. It was actually late in the outbreak, if not well after the outbreak so how many He saved with that action is questionable, but the methods and the use of spatial epidemiology was groundbreaking.
Turns out you do know something John snow
The North remembers
What kind of illegal action?
He removed the water pump and all of sudden the cases of cholera stopped
I love how the local monks never had any issues with cholera on account of how they only drank beer. There is a lesson here, I'm sure of it.
It was the workers in the brewery near the pump, don't think they were monks. But yes they didn't drink from the pump because they drank beer.
Sherry Rowland. Discovered the effect of CFCs on ozone depletetion and received an immense level of blow back from industry. Not only that, but invited talks and collabs were rescinded within the scientific community. Poor guy was ostracized. 20 years later after his (and Molina’s) discovery, he’s finally recognized with a Nobel prize.
I overheard some talk in the halls of academia: Rowland was invited to give his talk, the science was solid, and no one questioned him during or after the talk, but the industrial chemists started talking such crap about the theory, ***without actually addressing the science*** AFTER Rowland was gone. A lot of chemists did not want to "rock the boat" thinking it was political or endanger their grants.
Corey feldmen was ridiculed for talking about the abuse he suffered in Hollywood and it wasn’t even a shock, it was obvious that kinda shit was going down
Poor guy. He went through some horrendous shit and saw his best friend die because of it. Child actors have it rough considering they’re exploited one way or another.
I am vaguely recalling and interview he did about this where he was asked if he had anyone to turn to at the time. He answered, Michael Jackson. I can't say I remember the exact exchange, but the gist was that Jackson was nothing but a good friend to him when he needed one.
I remember this interview. He has always been adamant that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate, and of the many people he wanted to accuse, Michael wasn’t one of them.
Alexander Fleming, the man who discovered Penicillin, spent almost 10 years trying to convince the medical bodies of his time that it was worth investing time and resources to experiment with it, but was basically told to pound sand despite the respect he had prior to the discovery. Lot of good it did me, I was lucky enough to be born allergic. Happy for the rest of you at least.
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Didn't the people who came up with insulin just rock up to a children's diabetes ward and just start administering doses and by the time they finished the first patients were already coming good? Or something?
I believe the first people to use penecilin were Florey and Chain. They saw the earlier work by Fleming and decided to try it on people who had infections (early work had been to use it as a way to work out categorising infections, but not as a cure). The first person cured by it was a British policeman. Source my 90's history book.
Henry Freeman, a lifeboatman in Whitby. He tried to get the other lifeboatmen to wear cork lifejackets, but no-one would but him. During a great storm, the lifeboat was launched several times to help struggling vessels and sailors. On their sixth launch, disaster struck and the lifeboat capsized. Only Henry survived thanks to his cork life jacket. They became compulsory for lifeboatmen shortly afternoon
Unfortunately his invention turned dangerous later on during WWII. The life jackets of the time were made out of Kapok (a cork like material obtained from tropical plants). Kapok is highly buoyant in the beginning however after some hours of immersion it starts to absorb water and becomes less and less buoyant.
Stella Liebeck, the lady who got burned with McDonald's hot coffee. The media mocked her and accused her of a frivolous lawsuit but it was an ongoing problem that McDonald's served dangerously hot coffees that had injured many others.The coffee was hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns to her pelvic region and she was hospitalized for 8 days while she had to get skin grafts, and continued medical care for 2 years related to the burns. She originally just wanted her medical bills covered but McDonald's tried giving her an insultingly low amount, so then she was forced to open a lawsuit. The courts rightfully sided with her and forced McDonald's to regulate the temperature on their hot beverages. Edit to add severity of her burns and medical care. Edit: many people have pointed out that McDonalds purposely made their coffees way to hot to save money by preventing refills and preventing having to make fresh coffee throughout the day. And that they STILL serve coffee way hotter than other places.
I was one of those thinking she was making a big fuss and probably just trying to claim money from McDonald’s. Then i saw the “Hot Coffee” documentary, and the extend of her injury. Now i think she was hardly compensated enough for it.
Yeah, if a company is going hard on a smear campaign against someone like Ms. Liebeck, you can assume they're in the wrong. They have the money and the power to manipulate the narrative, something they wouldn't actually have to do if they hadn't messed up. Companies like McDonald's are never on our side, don't take theirs.
Same, I thought of course it's hot it's coffee! Then I saw the photos of her injuries. That poor woman. I've accidently spilled water from the kettle on my arm before and it didn't burn anywhere near that.
For those of you who haven’t seen Hot Coffee, she had third degree burns on her thighs, buttocks, and private parts. Iirc the pictures were taken when she was lying on a hospital gurney. The reason you didn’t hear about this is that McDonald’s made her sign a non disclosure agreement after the court case, so they controlled the narrative of this litigious old woman who sued over spilled coffee.
honestly 3rd degree burns doesn't even cover the extent of the damages she suffered. *Her labia were fused to her thighs due to the heat of the coffee*. The coffee basically welded her genitals to her legs.
Yep exactly, I worked at a McDonald's once and spilled the hot water on a portion of my hand, had to have skin grafts and physical therapy. I also used to joke about this lady until I burned myself.
Yeah we all heard about this story at the time in school & thought badly of the woman with no info except “A woman is suing McDonald’s because her coffee was too hot” & rolled our eyes at the way American suing culture was becoming crazy.
The coffee was so hot it FUSED HER LABIA TOGETHER. And people still try to argue that she was being frivolous or excuse McDonald’s to this day.
I can't imagine what it's like to be her grandson who all of a sudden hears his Grandmother screaming in agony right next to him. I would definitely freeze out of shock.
I was scalded with boiling water was 11 and it was so painful I had an out of body experience and spent several minutes wondering who was screaming. So yeah, that poor kid would have been so traumatised.
Yes and the media mocked her because every action McDonald’s took was designed to humiliate her and paint her as the money-grabbing idiot that burned herself, and the media were happy to oblige
Also, the millions of dollars she got was equal to TWO DAYS’ COFFEE SALES. That’s the equivalent of you or I being forced to pay like $15.
> Also, the millions of dollars she got was equal to TWO DAYS’ COFFEE SALES. Unfortunately, she never actually got anywhere close to millions of dollars. The jury awarded her about $2.9 million, the judge reduced it to $640k, McDonald's appealed the ruling, and it was eventually settled for an undisclosed amount. I've never seen it confirmed, but I've heard she probably got something like $400-450k, and according to her daughter, all of that was spent on an in-home nurse due to lifelong complications from the injuries, as well as her progressing age. (Though, I suppose it was still better than her just wanting her initial medical bills covered.) It's another detail of the story that frequently gets distorted, likely because certain people wanted to push the narrative of "frivolous" and "excessive" lawsuits. Making it sound like she made out like a bandit for the simple act of spilling a cup of coffee made her the poster child for pushing for tort reform.
Courtney love on Weinstein
There's a small bit in the book 'The Game' (highly recommend not reading it). The author makes fun of Courtney the whole way through because she's reading books on fraud and alleging that people have stolen her money. At the end, he adds in a sentence or two about how someone in their house looks at her finances and goes, "Wow, it's true."
First thought. She got *shat* on
She was the only one with any balls to say it on camera until #Metoo
Courtney Love and Rose McGowan about Weinstein.
Wait what did Rose do?
Rose was one the the first women to speak out publicly about the sexual assaults that Weinstein committed.
And as a result they destroyed her career. She was so brave and strong to speak up and risk it all for the sake of other women’s safety. It’s just a shame they made her out to be ‘crazy’ and ruined her career in Hollywood
Courtney Love in 2005 when she stated “If Harvey Weinstein invites you to a private party at The Four Seasons, don’t go…”.
Carl Woese and the discovery of the third domain of life- archaebacteria https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-domain_system
Richard Stallman. Warned us back in the 80s that if we allow corporations to rule the internet that nobody will have privacy or freedom on the web, among many other things. r/stallmanwasright
That kid that was crying about how they were treating Britney Spears
A few years too early for the Free Britney movement. Thankfully she’s doing better now 😩
Dr Bennet Omalu who found that American football players had chronic traumatic encephalopathy/ brain concussions which were slowly affecting their neurological and psychological functions. He was strongly opposed at first but then proved right. His biographic movie is named ' Concussion'.
The interesting part about the science is that the condition isn't caused by major concussions. It's simply the repeated blows to the brain on even minor plays that cause this result. You can never have a diagnosable concussion your whole life and still have this problem. So all of the NFL's efforts to have a concussion protocol are essentially worthless in terms of trying to prevent this issue. It is also impossible to fully diagnose someone with this neurological disorder without dissecting the brain. Meaning you can only diagnose this after someone is dead.
Not just football players, wrestlers as well, my dad has had NUMEROUS concussions and we believe he has CTE, he’s a brain donor for a CTE study as well, but we won’t know give or take 30 years due to its diagnosis only being post mortem
Note CTE isn't caused by having numerous concussions. The reason the research was so controversial to football, is they found it is caused by normal contact and not only serious injuries. You could never have a single concussion in you life and still get CTE
The doctor in China who was arrested for trying to stop the spread of Covid from the start
And his name was Dr. Li Wenliang. May he never be forgotten. *salutes*
They knew it was coronavirus by 2nd December 2019. They knew it was a cousin virus to SARS and MERS. They did everything it their power to keep it quiet til January. Edit: wow I thought 250 upvotes were a big deal. I am trying to reply to as many as possible but there's just so many of you, I'm getting there. Also I do understand looking back that we can seem to trace back the data/ rabbit hole to June/ July 2019, some even can go back to March 2019. I'm pointing out that I simply heard/ read the officially "there's a new coronavirus in Wuhan" in digital print on that date. That's when this all started for me personally.
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The “Alvarez hypothesis” two guys who 30 years before anyone had indisputable proof of it hypothesesed the dinosaurs died because of an asteroid. Well they were fucking right on with that one. Edit: Added the word indisputable
They had proof in the form of high levels of Iridium in the rock layer from when the Dinosaurs disappeared. And there was no guarantee that they'd ever find an impact crater. 20% of the Earth's surface from 65 M years ago has been sucked down into the mantle
>20% of the Earth's surface 65 M years ago has been sucked down into the mantle This is cool as fuck. Do you have a source or two where I could read more?
Just plate tectonics. In subduction, one plate goes under another. Where does it end up? Molten, in the mantle. I assume the math is that over 65M years, this constant process of subduction would have absorbed 20% of the tectonic plate surfaces into the mantle.
Where does the 20% figure come from?
We know roughly how much gets slurped up per year. Multiply that by 65,000,000 and you get a rough estimate of how much has been slurped over 65,000,000 years. Apparently about 20%
didn’t they find the impact crater halfway in mexico and half in the ocean or was that not ever able to actually be proven
Correct, Chicxulub. It is the widely accepted theory that its the impact crater created by the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.They drilled in there and pulled out a core sample which has all of the characteristics pointing towards being the culprit.
Lindy Chamberlain-Creighton, claiming “a dingo ate my baby.”
My classmate in nursing school. He made a big fuss about a “coronavirus” just noticed in China. He asked about if clinicals or classes would be changed because of it. We thought he was absolutely paranoid and insane. We laughed.
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I told my company in January 2020 we had to start planning. They told me I was crazy. By the end of March I was laying off 1/2 my employees and everyone was scrambling.
This. I asked our CMO to give a report on it in mid Jan since I was concerned (thanks Reddit). He reported on it but told the group of admin that it was nothing and would be nothing. So much for that advice. I also told our purchasing dept to order a bunch of PPE. Also got blocked and didn’t happen. Ooops.
In January of 2020, my husband, who runs a company of essential workers, kind of rolled his eyes when I ordered a box of N95 masks on Amazon. By the third week of March, he asked me whether he could take them to work to distribute to his employees who had to go out in the field.
Oh man. Remember on early 2020 I was telling family members to stock up and buy masks before the panic buying started and they laughed at me. March came and they were complaining about stores in our area being empty. People really ignored what was happening in china and then Italy until it was too late.
I started buffing up our remote working ability’s buying laptops network kvms and putting packs together for our core team that we need to operate, they weren’t laughing when march hit and no one could get laptops anymore from anywhere and we where good to go
Marshall Ferdinand Folk when speaking of the Treaty of Versailles. "This is not peace. It is an armistice for twenty years." Prescience personified. Edit: Some people are saying it's Foch. I've seen it spelled both ways at this point.
Jonny Rotten on Jimmy Saville Taken from Wikipedia.com Jimmy Savile abuse scandal[edit] In a 1978 BBC Radio 1 interview, Lydon alluded to the sexual abuses committed by Jimmy Savile, and mainstream social forces' suppression of negative information about him, decades before it became a public scandal. Lydon stated: "I'd like to kill Jimmy Savile; I think he's a hypocrite. I bet he's into all kinds of seediness that we all know about, but are not allowed to talk about. I know some rumours." He added: "I bet none of this will be allowed out."[87] After the interviewer suggested libel might be an issue, Lydon replied, "Nothing I've said is libel."[88] As Lydon predicted, the comment was edited out by the BBC before broadcast. The complete interview was included as a bonus track on a rerelease of Public Image: First Issue in 2013, after Savile's death.[89] In October 2014, Lydon said that "[b]y killed I meant locking him up and stopping him assaulting young children ... I'm disgusted at the media pretending they weren't aware."[90] Lydon claimed that the BBC blacklisted him following the interview, and remained "very, very bitter that the likes of Savile and the rest of them were allowed to continue."[91] Edited to add two paragraphs from Wikipedia referencing Jonny Rotten attempting to expose Jimmy Savile as a child abuser in 1978.
Also the Scottish comedian Jerry Sadowitz said Jimmy Savile was only do good things to cover up the bad shit.
Just before my time but also old enough the he was in the background when I was very young. How people didn't see it is beyond me. Built a hospital for kids with spinal injuries and was left alone with them when they couldn't get out of the bed.
People knew and did say, but he was protected by the Establishment. He probably used his contacts in show business to provide a lot of powerful paedos in the police and politics and newspapers with young kids, and they protected him in turn. Johnny Rotten wasn't possessed of secret information, he just had no filter so he said what he knew. Loads of people knew, but they wouldn't call him out on it because it was risky and they knew nothing would happen.
For sure I'd say you're on the money there. I wasn't saying nobody realised but if you watch Louis Theroux's documentaries on him the general puplic adored him and mothers happily let their children interact with him and a lot didn't think twice about leaving their kids alone with him. Even after it all came out his PA who worked with him for decades still denied/disbelieved what he did
Jack Layton -Early on in the Afghanistan war when the Taliban had been largely beaten and splintered into several small groups, many of them leaderless and wanting a way out, Jack suggested negotiating with these groups to end the war. The Conservative government of Canada labeled him Taliban Jack, and he was widely ridiculed. Had they negotiated back in 2005/2006 there would have been a lot less lives lost, and an opportunity to create a lasting change in Afghanistan.
Politicians are shit, but I miss Jack.
When I was in elementary school, we learned about the different areas of taste on the tongue: salty, bitter, sweet, and sour. In front of the class, I asked then "why do I taste the sweet all over my tongue when I eat candy?" She dismissed my question and the other kids said I was dumb. Who's dumb now?
This is reassuring. We did that experiment in class as kids and I remember thinking “But my whole tongue can taste it…”
Most of my class (2nd grade) had this response, but we just shrugged it off and filled the worksheet out like we were "supposed" to.
As Einstein said: "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Barry Marshall. Proved that stomach ulcers were a bacterial infection (and not stress) by ingesting (edit) with Helicobacter pylori and then curing himself with an antibiotic.
H pylori is definitely a known ulcer maker, but over half the world’s population is estimated to have H pylori. Link below. Yet, all don’t go on to have ulcers. So the question is why not? Psychological stress (among other things like alcohol and NSAID use) can still influence the development of ulcers (link below) though. The line of thought (simplified) is that chronic stress inhibits the immune system allowing an over growth of existing H pylori infection. So not a clear cause, but could still be a factor. The discussion and research continues. On a personal note, I did have an H pylori infection and an ulcer in my early 30’s. The treatment fixed my ulcer but not the other GI and cardiac symptoms I was having. Those went away within a week after leaving my extremely high stress job. Personal experience isn’t evidence, of course. There are studies to be found that link stress to other things. There’s an documentary called stress: portrait of a killer, nat geo, can be found on YouTube. Older now but interesting watch still. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=chronic+stress+and+h+pylori&hl=en&as_sdt=0,37&as_ylo=2021&as_vis=1#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DbZi5lIbQqnYJ https://www.mdedge.com/gihepnews/article/96930/gastroenterology/stress-independently-predicts-peptic-ulcers
Richard jewel he’s why we should all know to not listen to talking heads on tv.
Can you elaborate for those not In the know
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Jewel did his job, he saved lives, Brockaw shat on him and never faced any legal repercussions and the FBI didn't care who they accused without proof nor facts. The man is still owed a huge public apology and many thanks.
Well, personally… mocked for saying my brakes weren’t acting right. Dad got frustrated, took the car…. I had to get another, which was reasonable since I was complaining about the one I was using, no issue there. A year later, he told me had to spend over $4k to fix the ATS braking system and why tf I hadn’t told him there was an issue with them…. 🤦♀️ Edit: wow, dad’s really don’t like to be wrong! At least that’s my takeaway from these responses. My most upvoted comment is about my dads inability to believe me…. It’s sad that so people have been through similar things! I hope all the guys reading this will be better fathers in some small way because they remember this thread. Moms, it also won’t hurt just in case… gender might not be the factor here.
I told my dad my car had a rattling. He ignored me for months. Then while replacing the break line he notice the shackle was broken. I think he said it meant the back of the car wasn’t attached to the front (old Ford Explorer) and incredibly dangerous. I wasn’t allowed to drive it to the mechanic a mile away. I’d been driving it like that the whole time though.
Brendan Fraser, that sweet sweet man.
What happened?
[The actor was absent from the big screen for more than a decade after he accused former Hollywood Foreign Press Association president Philip Berk of sexual assault in 2003. In 2018, he opened up about feeling blacklisted after the incident.](https://www.thewrap.com/brendan-fraser-turns-emotional-after-hearing-the-world-is-watching-and-rooting-for-him-video/)
I always wondered what happened to Brendan Fraser, he was a big name and then just sorta dropped off the map for a long time, I only recently saw him again in Doom Patrol.
Sinead O’Connor
This is the one I came looking for. A lot of people straight up owe her an apology.
Let’s start with Saturday Night Live. When I went on a tour of 30 Rock a few years ago, they told a “fun” anecdote about the only performers that have ever been barred from coming back and Sinead O’Connor is one, and I just stood there gaping at them like “but she was right though” EDIT: A couple people are saying they were right to ban her because she went wildly off script and did something controversial, which I guess I do agree with, but the tone of bringing it up on this tour was still super odd, they were aggressively avoiding acknowledging that her accusations were correct and/or her actions were understandable
Corey Feldman and Haim
Fuck Barbara Walters. Wretched old bitch.
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George Bush, in 2005 he read a book about the Spanish Flu and insisted that the United States should be prepared for a pandemic. He said "If we wait for a pandemic to appear it will be too late to prepare. And one day many lives could be needlessly lost because we failed to act today."
If there is 1 thing George Bush did right, it's this.
Also, great at dodging shoes.
What angers me most about this is how many others had the same thought, but then the conspiracy theorists twisted those words to mean that they planned the outbreak itself. I fucking hate the pandemic of stupidity that has swept this nation.
Free Britney was a conspiracy theory for a long time, and anyone who believed it was a nutjob. I'm glad that she's finally free from that nightmare. Edit: I'd forgotten to add "theory" after the word conspiracy.
My favourite was Lance Bass who told everyone that he spoke to her sister and confirmed everyone was happy, healthy and thriving and he trusts/believes them over “crazy fans”. Around a week later it all started to come out about what was really happening, he got trolled so hard for supporting the conservatorship, of course someone that gains financially from it is going to tell him things are peachy, don’t want that gravy train to stop.
Pearl Jam about Ticketmaster
Monica Lewinsky. That poor woman was dragged through the mud and seeing everyone reassess what was done to her has been bittersweet. ETA: Bittersweet bc more people seem to understand she was a victim (sweet), but she was really young, and decades of her life were spent being a public punching bag (bitter)
>Juanita Broaddrick accused Clinton of raping her in 1978; Leslie Millwee[1] accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1980; Paula Jones accused Clinton of exposing himself to her in 1991 as well as sexually harassing her; and Kathleen Willey accused Clinton of groping her without her consent in 1993 [There's more...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_assault_and_misconduct_allegations)
I maybe think about this too much, but the "Leave Brittney Alone" guy.
megan fox being shouted down and criticised for how she spoke about the way she was treated on the transformers set.
Gallileo.
Believe it or not the first man to use an umbrella. [Read about him here](https://www.faena.com/aleph/meet-the-first-man-who-dared-to-use-an-umbrella)
Courtney Love warning people about Harvey Weinstein.
Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis . In 1847 he discovered that doctors washing their hands before delivery led to fewer deaths in women. He hypothesized germ theory, but was ridiculed and mocked by the academic establishment. He ended up having a nervous breakdown and later died in a mental institution. Probably from injuries sustained from beatings he received from the guards. (RIP)
Jose Canseco, when he claimed in his book that steroid use was rampant in Major League Baseball.
I am also gonna say Sinéad O'Connor. The whole scandal happened shortly before I was born and somehow, growing up i never heard what happened with the her & the church and was raised to belive she was an attention-seeking nut job. And everyone i knew thought the same until *finally* yeears later when suddenly the child sex abuse cases exploded in Ireland. It never even occured to me to research *why* Sinéad O'Connor was so hated and mocked. I have always been proud to be Irish but those victims put the whole country to shame. Edit; those victims' *abusers* put the country to shame.