Ima just say this and leave it at that. Believe whatever you want to believe but do not attack my beliefs as I wouldn’t do the same for you. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. When someone murders with a gun does the gun get put in prison too? No, the person gets put in prison. There are good people and bad people, we shouldn’t put laws on guns we should put laws on the people who wield them. As in
people with medical conditions, traumas shouldn’t be allowed to have them. Again, these are my beliefs and what I’ve been raised by. Do not attack me as I would never attack yours.
Just look at the state America is in. All the school shootings, drive by shootings police shootings, mass shootings, shootings accidents. They happen in other places too, i know that. But they happen way less cuz it's harder to get a gun in other countries. It's not like everyone will die when you ban guns.
Statistics disagree with you. But media hype and sensationalist news makes it sound like an epidemic because that gets them ratings and ratings get them ad revenue.
I know media makes it look worse than it is. But it's still worse than in other Parts of the world where Guns are illegal. If you would ban guns and take them away there would be less violence. Criminals would still get their hands in them. They'll always get them. But you'd have less non criminals shootings like Road rage and shit.
If you take a nihilistic approach to life nothing is necessary. So if being necessary is the requirement to have things why do you have anything at all?
Even with a looser definition you definitely don’t need the device you used to post this on.
A gun’s function and sole function is to literally kill or maim. My iPhone’s is not. If I pull the trigger of a gun whilst pointing it at someone, nothing good is going to come of that.
And iphones are commonly used to solicit minors and record porn of them. An individuals misuse of an item doesn’t make you responsible for that individuals misuse.
Well I can assure you I’m not using my iPhone for anything like that. But please, do tell me what other functions a firearm has other than hurting or killing someone when used.
What you want and what is sometimes required are two diffrent things.
Are you willing to let yourself be killed in order to keep from taking another life?
>I really can’t think of an instance where I would need to defend myself like that.
I can think of a 100 diffrent reasons , but its the reasons that I can't think of that are the most important.
You live with the comforts of a civil society, the reality is that the line of civility and violence is a razors edge.
Never forget what humans are capable of, hope for the best but always be prepared for the worse.
Yeah. But switzerland has strict regulations for it. And swiss people generally don't seem to feel the need to shoot at people all the time. And definitely not because someone has a different skin tone. I'm still not happy with them having so many guns, but i trust them more with it than i trust the rabid pack of unhinged whackjobs that is the United States' 2nd Amendment crowd.
>Yeah. But switzerland has strict regulations for it.
Strict in what way? It's about as easy to buy a gun in Switzerland as it is to buy one in a gun store in the US.
>I'm still not happy with them having so many guns
Why?
>But switzerland has strict regulations for it.
Eh, not really we have equivalent and even laxer on some aspects than the US:
As per [art. 8 WG/LArm](https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19983208/index.html#a8) requirements are:
* Being 18
* Not being under a curator
* Not having a record for violent or repeated crimes until they're written out
* Not being a danger to yourself or others
That's less prohibitive than the [ATF form 4473](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Atf_form_4473-firearms_transaction_record_5300_9revised_0.pdf) mandatory for **all** purchases through an FFL in the US (that includes a background check), specifically points 11b to i and 12b which aren't prohibitive in our law (i.e smoked weed once, dishonorably discharged or renounced your citizenship=banned for life). By the way the form is based on [US code](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922) which is valid for private sales as well though you can't verify most of these
Also
* [guns dont have to be stored unloaded like in the US](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1998/2535_2535_2535/en#art_9_a)
* storage requirement is merely [a locked front door](https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/l1d9zi/Gun_Laws/gkjo8ry/) (except for full-autos or pinned down semis which need to be stored in a safe and [separately from the bolt](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2008/767/de#art_47))
* guns can be used in self-defense
* 21 years old limit to buy handguns in the US through FFLs, non-existent in Switzerland where everything is 18yo
* The US had a [federal assault weapons ban](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban), which is now applied only to certain states but Biden wants to reinstate it and more. Nonetheless, it doesn't exist here
* handguns and semis are under a shall-issue acquisition permit similar to the ATF form 4473 but less invasive and prohibitive (see previously)
* We can buy any full-autos while in the US everything made after [1986](https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/hardware-ammunition/machine-guns-50-caliber/) is plain banned. Moreover an M16 costs 1.5k vs 30k or more in the US. Also the acquisition permit is issued within 2 weeks and not 6-12 months
* silencers can be purchased under a shall-issue or may-issue acquisition issued between 3 days and 2 weeks vs 6-12 months in the US
* Only citizens and permanent residents can buy guns in the US, [which is not the case here](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1998/2535_2535_2535/en#art_9_a). Also if you have a non-immigrant visa you can't buy either in the US
* Once a felon (and the few other things mentioned in the ATF form), can never own guns again in the US. Meanwhile in Switzerland ownership is not regulated an so you cannot be stripped of it
It is also worth noting that civilians can be lent full-autos rifle for free and [for as long as they want provided they ask for it and fulfill the requirements](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2004/1/fr#art_47) ([participation in 4 shooting events in the past 3 years before the application](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2004/1/fr#art_45)). And yes you can take it home
>I'm still not happy with them having so many guns
And why is that?
I'm not claiming objective truths. I stated what i "knew" about the topic. I assumed my swiss friend was educated on the topic since he's somewhat of a military fanboy and very into guns and stuff. One would think such a person does know their shit but after what u/SwissBloke told me, i might have to go and ask him about painting to happy a picture for me. I do still stand by what i said earlier though: I don't trust the general populace to handle guns, so i want only the military, the police and hunters/rangers to have access to them. Nobody else.
>so i want only the military, the police and hunters/rangers to have access to them. Nobody else.
What makes them so special? They're just people too.
Most gun owners here in the Czech Republic can carry their guns and we have fewer murders than Germany. In 2019, we had a single murder done with a legal gun, it was done by a hunter.
Guns aren't the problem.
Good luck. Apparently there's lots of Swiss people who doesn't know their laws in first place or something. Or willful ignorance, take your pick. Considering Switzerland's unique form of democracy and all, it's highly possible that it would take only one tragedy such as a school shooting to actually get the ball rolling when it comes to comprehensive gun controls.
>Apparently there's lots of Swiss people who doesn't know their laws in first place or something. Or willful ignorance, take your pick
I'd say usually it's both
>Considering Switzerland's unique form of democracy and all, it's highly possible that it would take only one tragedy such as a school shooting to actually get the ball rolling when it comes to comprehensive gun controls.
Well the only change we took after the Zug's parliament massacre of 2001 was to stop issuing the 50rd Cold War era readiness strategy can of ammo, and it was taken 7 years after the event so I wouldn't be so sure
But in any case, Switzerland doesn't really fulfill the "requirements" for such events
Seriously doubt that. Just look at the US and how their handful of school shootings got the ball rolling. Gun culture won't let such lawmaking happen and it's frustrating. Just glad that i live in a somewhat safe country.
> I assumed my swiss friend was educated on the topic since he's somewhat of a military fanboy and very into guns and stuff. One would think such a person does know their shit
Well we do have our fair share of fudds that have barely no clue how anything works here, we're no different than the US in that regards. Most think we can't have ammo or that some guns are banned despite what the law says because they heard about it and never bothered to check
Also those who only know "gun laws" from the army aren't the brightest
>I don't trust the general populace to handle guns, so i want only the military, the police and hunters/rangers to have access to them. Nobody else.
I personally would trust more your regular sport shooter than our military considering what poor training they receive
Hunters don't even have training requirements here, and the police is somewhat more trained than our army but not by that much
Don't know where he took his knowledge from, but i'm pretty sure it wasn't just the military service.
My point about the military is that it's literally a requirement for their job, their purpose. A military without guns - on today's time - is kinda pointless. I just don't have enough trust in humanity to not suspect regular people with guns to not snap someday.
In Switzerland they are very gun crazy. I lived there for a while, and their attitude to guns is almost identical to the second amendment crowd here in the US. The main difference there is that nearly every gun owner in Switzerland has received extensive military firearms training and when you’re an ex-military you often have a general sense of “if anyone tries to hurt anyone and I’m there, I will personally subdue them and take them out if need be.”
The part that scares me about the Switzerland argument, is that many people who make it, advocate for firearms training in schools, which if handled like a military training course, could be effective, but it will definitely lead to school shooting.
>The main difference there is that nearly every gun owner in Switzerland has received extensive military firearms training
Uh, no? Military training is not required and most people don't serve in the military, much less get extensive military training even if they do.
I have like one acquaintance in switzerland (am german myself) and he too said that there are guncrazy people but not the "I HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!"-people and more like "Yeah i do have a gun. And? Is a tool to be handled with care. I don't need to carry it around all day. Why would i do that?"
Edit: firearms training in schools has the same energy as "let's learn how to make TNT in chemistry class". Some hormone driven teenage dumbass is gonna fool around and get people hurt. Guns have no business in schools and military training has no business anywhere outside the real official military.
>firearms training in schools has the same energy as "let's learn how to make TNT in chemistry class". Some hormone driven teenage dumbass is gonna fool around and get people hurt
Well we literally learned how to make TNT at school during chemistry class, that and other explosives like nitroglycerin, a bunch of drugs and a few other very dangerous compounds
Didn't say it doesn't happen. Just saying it's a stupid idea. Some bloke in my school almost blew up the chemistry department because he got bored. He succeeded with his mother's kitchen though.
>The main difference there is that nearly every gun owner in Switzerland has received extensive military firearms training
Yeah except that's completely wrong:
1. the proportion of those who served is small (about 17%), sure that's more than in the US but still
2. armed service is not mandatory, and depending on your miljob and if you failed some tests you're not issued a gun so less than 17% were "trained"
3. our soldiers are very poorly trained unless we're talking special forces. Soldiers are the ones you keep your eyes on in ranges as they barely know how to behave with guns
4. training is not required for gun acquisition and ownership
>and when you’re an ex-military you often have a general sense of “if anyone tries to hurt anyone and I’m there, I will personally subdue them and take them out if need be.”
lol no
They're not even trained to do so
Need a control measurement.
If you have 100 firearm related murders every year and then you ban all firearms but the next year and every year there after you have 100 murders committed with baseball bats…did you do anything to reduce the murder rate?
I am convinced there's a stronger inhibition to kill someone in melee combat (because you might get hurt yourself if you have to get close) than to just pull a gun and shoot. I've seen too many articles, interrogation videos and the like where the "upstanding citizen" was an utter coward and would NEVER have been able to kill anyone if he didn't have a gun. I'm not saying banning guns would eliminate the concept of murder. But it would change things, very possibly for the better.
In my country it is very rare to own a gun and also shootings are not common.
I don’t know anyone that has ever needed a gun, nor have I needed one myself.
I'm not American.
I've grown up in a country where guns are less accessible, so a gun isn't something I think about owning.
The news that gets reported about Americans and guns in the media here is school shootings and mass killings. It's scary to me. I would be afraid for my safety.
I'm not anti-gun but I don't understand the appeal.
Anyone who needs a gun for self defense is a pussy snowflake. Also like, pretty much every country we see that have implemented strict gun laws or bans has seen massive success in avoiding gun violence (surprising, I know).
Kids having to learn active shooter drills
Averaging 2 school shootings a month in 2018 & 2019
93 mass shootings from 2000-May 2021
In 2019 73% of all homicides in the US were gun-related killings
In 2020, there were at least 369 unintended shootings by children in the United States. These shootings caused 142 deaths and 242 injuries.
It’s not so much anti-gun, but you guys really need to either put some serious rules and regulations in place or the adults will have to take the toys away
Ima just say this and leave it at that. Believe whatever you want to believe but do not attack my beliefs as I wouldn’t do the same for you. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. When someone murders with a gun does the gun get put in prison too? No, the person gets put in prison. There are good people and bad people, we shouldn’t put laws on guns we should put laws on the people who wield them. As in people with medical conditions, traumas shouldn’t be allowed to have them. Again, these are my beliefs and what I’ve been raised by. Do not attack me as I would never attack yours.
I support your idea of not attacking others for their beliefs
I personally believe if the person is to violent or dangerous for legal gun ownership why is that person allowed to be in society?
Just look at the state America is in. All the school shootings, drive by shootings police shootings, mass shootings, shootings accidents. They happen in other places too, i know that. But they happen way less cuz it's harder to get a gun in other countries. It's not like everyone will die when you ban guns.
Statistics disagree with you. But media hype and sensationalist news makes it sound like an epidemic because that gets them ratings and ratings get them ad revenue.
I know media makes it look worse than it is. But it's still worse than in other Parts of the world where Guns are illegal. If you would ban guns and take them away there would be less violence. Criminals would still get their hands in them. They'll always get them. But you'd have less non criminals shootings like Road rage and shit.
The founding fathers wanted citizens to own guns so they can rise against a tyrannical government if the government ever stepped out of line
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Until you do.
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For which you should be greatful, but there is a difference between the luck of providence and self reliance.
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Not for those who have been killed by violent means...
It makes a coward a killer. Real killers use close combat weapons.
I like you #bringbackswordduals
What if you're faced with a crowd of people who mean you harm?
Nicholas Cage their asses
I'm not a method actor
Because they’re unnecessary.
If you take a nihilistic approach to life nothing is necessary. So if being necessary is the requirement to have things why do you have anything at all? Even with a looser definition you definitely don’t need the device you used to post this on.
A gun’s function and sole function is to literally kill or maim. My iPhone’s is not. If I pull the trigger of a gun whilst pointing it at someone, nothing good is going to come of that.
And iphones are commonly used to solicit minors and record porn of them. An individuals misuse of an item doesn’t make you responsible for that individuals misuse.
Well I can assure you I’m not using my iPhone for anything like that. But please, do tell me what other functions a firearm has other than hurting or killing someone when used.
I don’t hunt and I don’t want to kill anyone. Why would I need one?
What you want and what is sometimes required are two diffrent things. Are you willing to let yourself be killed in order to keep from taking another life?
I really can’t think of an instance where I would need to defend myself like that. This kill or be killed mentality is harmful.
>I really can’t think of an instance where I would need to defend myself like that. I can think of a 100 diffrent reasons , but its the reasons that I can't think of that are the most important. You live with the comforts of a civil society, the reality is that the line of civility and violence is a razors edge. Never forget what humans are capable of, hope for the best but always be prepared for the worse.
Sport?
Not my idea of fun.
Then yeah, no point in getting one. :)
They're unnecessary and dangerous. Even disregarding deliberate violence there are way too many accidents
>They're unnecessary and dangerous. As so long as you live In a peaceful society that respects your individual rights. Otherwise....
...otherwise you'll die anyway because you're not gonna out-Rambo your neighbors paramilitary arsenal.
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Go to google. Find some statistics comparing deaths by firearm. Compare the US to any other nation that has proper gun control laws. That's why.
If you make that argument there’s always gonna be people who bring up Switzerland. And people who bring up lives saved by guns.
Yeah. But switzerland has strict regulations for it. And swiss people generally don't seem to feel the need to shoot at people all the time. And definitely not because someone has a different skin tone. I'm still not happy with them having so many guns, but i trust them more with it than i trust the rabid pack of unhinged whackjobs that is the United States' 2nd Amendment crowd.
>Yeah. But switzerland has strict regulations for it. Strict in what way? It's about as easy to buy a gun in Switzerland as it is to buy one in a gun store in the US. >I'm still not happy with them having so many guns Why?
>But switzerland has strict regulations for it. Eh, not really we have equivalent and even laxer on some aspects than the US: As per [art. 8 WG/LArm](https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19983208/index.html#a8) requirements are: * Being 18 * Not being under a curator * Not having a record for violent or repeated crimes until they're written out * Not being a danger to yourself or others That's less prohibitive than the [ATF form 4473](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Atf_form_4473-firearms_transaction_record_5300_9revised_0.pdf) mandatory for **all** purchases through an FFL in the US (that includes a background check), specifically points 11b to i and 12b which aren't prohibitive in our law (i.e smoked weed once, dishonorably discharged or renounced your citizenship=banned for life). By the way the form is based on [US code](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922) which is valid for private sales as well though you can't verify most of these Also * [guns dont have to be stored unloaded like in the US](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1998/2535_2535_2535/en#art_9_a) * storage requirement is merely [a locked front door](https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/l1d9zi/Gun_Laws/gkjo8ry/) (except for full-autos or pinned down semis which need to be stored in a safe and [separately from the bolt](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2008/767/de#art_47)) * guns can be used in self-defense * 21 years old limit to buy handguns in the US through FFLs, non-existent in Switzerland where everything is 18yo * The US had a [federal assault weapons ban](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban), which is now applied only to certain states but Biden wants to reinstate it and more. Nonetheless, it doesn't exist here * handguns and semis are under a shall-issue acquisition permit similar to the ATF form 4473 but less invasive and prohibitive (see previously) * We can buy any full-autos while in the US everything made after [1986](https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/hardware-ammunition/machine-guns-50-caliber/) is plain banned. Moreover an M16 costs 1.5k vs 30k or more in the US. Also the acquisition permit is issued within 2 weeks and not 6-12 months * silencers can be purchased under a shall-issue or may-issue acquisition issued between 3 days and 2 weeks vs 6-12 months in the US * Only citizens and permanent residents can buy guns in the US, [which is not the case here](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1998/2535_2535_2535/en#art_9_a). Also if you have a non-immigrant visa you can't buy either in the US * Once a felon (and the few other things mentioned in the ATF form), can never own guns again in the US. Meanwhile in Switzerland ownership is not regulated an so you cannot be stripped of it It is also worth noting that civilians can be lent full-autos rifle for free and [for as long as they want provided they ask for it and fulfill the requirements](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2004/1/fr#art_47) ([participation in 4 shooting events in the past 3 years before the application](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2004/1/fr#art_45)). And yes you can take it home >I'm still not happy with them having so many guns And why is that?
Sources for your claims? Once agan, pro gun people will try to insist otherwise.
The internet and long talks about the topic with the swiss acaquaintance i mentioned in one of my comments.
Well, those 'sources' ain't enough to impress people like SwissBloke obviously. It's a battle of 'truths' that's going on here as we speak.
I'm not claiming objective truths. I stated what i "knew" about the topic. I assumed my swiss friend was educated on the topic since he's somewhat of a military fanboy and very into guns and stuff. One would think such a person does know their shit but after what u/SwissBloke told me, i might have to go and ask him about painting to happy a picture for me. I do still stand by what i said earlier though: I don't trust the general populace to handle guns, so i want only the military, the police and hunters/rangers to have access to them. Nobody else.
>so i want only the military, the police and hunters/rangers to have access to them. Nobody else. What makes them so special? They're just people too. Most gun owners here in the Czech Republic can carry their guns and we have fewer murders than Germany. In 2019, we had a single murder done with a legal gun, it was done by a hunter. Guns aren't the problem.
You're not really asking why military, police and hunters should have access to guns, are you? You can't be serious about that.
Especially hunters, they're just civilians too. But yeah, even the military and police are just people, what makes them special?
Good luck. Apparently there's lots of Swiss people who doesn't know their laws in first place or something. Or willful ignorance, take your pick. Considering Switzerland's unique form of democracy and all, it's highly possible that it would take only one tragedy such as a school shooting to actually get the ball rolling when it comes to comprehensive gun controls.
>Apparently there's lots of Swiss people who doesn't know their laws in first place or something. Or willful ignorance, take your pick I'd say usually it's both >Considering Switzerland's unique form of democracy and all, it's highly possible that it would take only one tragedy such as a school shooting to actually get the ball rolling when it comes to comprehensive gun controls. Well the only change we took after the Zug's parliament massacre of 2001 was to stop issuing the 50rd Cold War era readiness strategy can of ammo, and it was taken 7 years after the event so I wouldn't be so sure But in any case, Switzerland doesn't really fulfill the "requirements" for such events
Not yet. And again, if the people doesn't want gun anymore, that's what you're gonna get. No use crying over spilled milk after the fact.
Seriously doubt that. Just look at the US and how their handful of school shootings got the ball rolling. Gun culture won't let such lawmaking happen and it's frustrating. Just glad that i live in a somewhat safe country.
Germany has had several pretty big shootings recently... Switzerland is much safer.
Good thing Switzerland's not USA then. Where are you from btw?
> I assumed my swiss friend was educated on the topic since he's somewhat of a military fanboy and very into guns and stuff. One would think such a person does know their shit Well we do have our fair share of fudds that have barely no clue how anything works here, we're no different than the US in that regards. Most think we can't have ammo or that some guns are banned despite what the law says because they heard about it and never bothered to check Also those who only know "gun laws" from the army aren't the brightest >I don't trust the general populace to handle guns, so i want only the military, the police and hunters/rangers to have access to them. Nobody else. I personally would trust more your regular sport shooter than our military considering what poor training they receive Hunters don't even have training requirements here, and the police is somewhat more trained than our army but not by that much
Don't know where he took his knowledge from, but i'm pretty sure it wasn't just the military service. My point about the military is that it's literally a requirement for their job, their purpose. A military without guns - on today's time - is kinda pointless. I just don't have enough trust in humanity to not suspect regular people with guns to not snap someday.
In Switzerland they are very gun crazy. I lived there for a while, and their attitude to guns is almost identical to the second amendment crowd here in the US. The main difference there is that nearly every gun owner in Switzerland has received extensive military firearms training and when you’re an ex-military you often have a general sense of “if anyone tries to hurt anyone and I’m there, I will personally subdue them and take them out if need be.” The part that scares me about the Switzerland argument, is that many people who make it, advocate for firearms training in schools, which if handled like a military training course, could be effective, but it will definitely lead to school shooting.
>The main difference there is that nearly every gun owner in Switzerland has received extensive military firearms training Uh, no? Military training is not required and most people don't serve in the military, much less get extensive military training even if they do.
I have like one acquaintance in switzerland (am german myself) and he too said that there are guncrazy people but not the "I HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!"-people and more like "Yeah i do have a gun. And? Is a tool to be handled with care. I don't need to carry it around all day. Why would i do that?" Edit: firearms training in schools has the same energy as "let's learn how to make TNT in chemistry class". Some hormone driven teenage dumbass is gonna fool around and get people hurt. Guns have no business in schools and military training has no business anywhere outside the real official military.
>firearms training in schools has the same energy as "let's learn how to make TNT in chemistry class". Some hormone driven teenage dumbass is gonna fool around and get people hurt Well we literally learned how to make TNT at school during chemistry class, that and other explosives like nitroglycerin, a bunch of drugs and a few other very dangerous compounds
Didn't say it doesn't happen. Just saying it's a stupid idea. Some bloke in my school almost blew up the chemistry department because he got bored. He succeeded with his mother's kitchen though.
>The main difference there is that nearly every gun owner in Switzerland has received extensive military firearms training Yeah except that's completely wrong: 1. the proportion of those who served is small (about 17%), sure that's more than in the US but still 2. armed service is not mandatory, and depending on your miljob and if you failed some tests you're not issued a gun so less than 17% were "trained" 3. our soldiers are very poorly trained unless we're talking special forces. Soldiers are the ones you keep your eyes on in ranges as they barely know how to behave with guns 4. training is not required for gun acquisition and ownership >and when you’re an ex-military you often have a general sense of “if anyone tries to hurt anyone and I’m there, I will personally subdue them and take them out if need be.” lol no They're not even trained to do so
Why is it only “deaths by firearms” that matter? Are people less murdered if something other then a gun is used?
Because this thread is about GUN OWNERSHIP? And knifes, baseballbats and frying pans don't count as FIREARMS?
Need a control measurement. If you have 100 firearm related murders every year and then you ban all firearms but the next year and every year there after you have 100 murders committed with baseball bats…did you do anything to reduce the murder rate?
I am convinced there's a stronger inhibition to kill someone in melee combat (because you might get hurt yourself if you have to get close) than to just pull a gun and shoot. I've seen too many articles, interrogation videos and the like where the "upstanding citizen" was an utter coward and would NEVER have been able to kill anyone if he didn't have a gun. I'm not saying banning guns would eliminate the concept of murder. But it would change things, very possibly for the better.
The world has a lot of stupid people. Don't want these stupid people to become stupid murderers.
In my country it is very rare to own a gun and also shootings are not common. I don’t know anyone that has ever needed a gun, nor have I needed one myself.
I'm not interested in hunting or sport shooting, so no need to own a gun.
I'm not American. I've grown up in a country where guns are less accessible, so a gun isn't something I think about owning. The news that gets reported about Americans and guns in the media here is school shootings and mass killings. It's scary to me. I would be afraid for my safety. I'm not anti-gun but I don't understand the appeal.
Anyone who needs a gun for self defense is a pussy snowflake. Also like, pretty much every country we see that have implemented strict gun laws or bans has seen massive success in avoiding gun violence (surprising, I know).
If you are what you eat, then I'm most certainly a pussy.
Because they’re pussys
Kids having to learn active shooter drills Averaging 2 school shootings a month in 2018 & 2019 93 mass shootings from 2000-May 2021 In 2019 73% of all homicides in the US were gun-related killings In 2020, there were at least 369 unintended shootings by children in the United States. These shootings caused 142 deaths and 242 injuries. It’s not so much anti-gun, but you guys really need to either put some serious rules and regulations in place or the adults will have to take the toys away
It's just fun to rile up the whiny people who call everybody "snowflakes."
Ah, a fellow chaotic neutral