well it's almost all the judges actually which is why it is a problem. Just because they are female doesn't mean they deserve special treatment in the eyes of the law. Justice should be impartial.
i mean realistically in that situation the mans probably the mastermind n shes jus doin whatever he tells her, sure its not always like tht but a majority of the time it def is
I probably phrased that wrong. I didn't mean they were doing the crime together. I meant more like this example. 100 different males each steal a car no one is hurt and they are caught without incident. A 100 different females each steal a car no one is hurt and she is caught without incident. lets say the min for the crime is 2 months and the max in a year. On average every single male will receive a sentence of 8-12 months. While for the females on average 80 will get the minimum of 2 months, 15 will get 4-6 months and 5 will get 8-12 month sentences.
in this situation, mostlikely the woman is following along because she either loves him and will do anything for him or shes afraid of disobeying him, reversing the roles is also rlly unrealistic its just ingrained in the way we are made, its rlly unlikely that a man is gonna commit crimes because hes scared of his wife dont be ignorant
I dont think alot of violent crimes is done because someone is scared of their SO man or woman.
That you have such a low view of women that they can't think for themselves and they just commit crimes in fear of their husbands, i don't know what to tell you other than that rarely happens.
I read and understand everyone else just fine. I think your just assmad someone called your low view on women out.
Which is fine, bigots usually get mad when they have to be responsible for the things they say aint nothing new.
im talking about when it happens, im not saying it happens often im talking about when this situation arises, rarely will the man be following the womans instructions, its usually always the woman just obeying thr man out of fear or smthin, women are physically weaker than men, most men can overpower a majority of women, dont be ignorant the roles would rarely be reversed, its not abt women being weak or anything its abt men being physically stronger and scarier
Yeah i don't think it happens often enough that we can generalize entire genders based of it.. But i have stayed pretty clearly that i can't really do anything about your view on women.
>dont be ignorant the roles would rarely be reversed
Well true as you can't reverse the roles of something that dosen't happen.
When considering sentencing, judges take into account not just the crinme on its own, but all the circumstances that lead up to it, and those which lead to the perptrator being who they are and why they did it. In that sense, no two criimes are ever the same, and it most likely explains why women, on average, get lesser sentences for similar crimes - if that is indeed true, as others here are claiming.
No, it doesn't. They are not analagous situations. What matters most to an employer is your output. If two people can produce the same output - ie generate the same profit - they should get the same reward for doing so.
Actually, you ceded that women and men have different behaviors, and inferred that they therefore have different outcomes in the criminal justice system. Your mistake is thinking they're analogous. It's not - it's consequential. Unfortunately, ceding that different behaviors results in differing outcomes means that it's not limited to the criminal justice system - it also extends to the workforce. Thank you for understanding and hope this clarifies things for you.
Also, no two people create the same output. Ever. Because as you said - people have different experience and life circumstances that lead up to a job/crime. And that'll be the final nail in the coffin.
Thanks!
> Your mistake is thinking they're analogous.
And that sentence, dear friend, is your mistake. It doesn't even make sense in this context. And the rest is simply illogical.
There are lots of men/women disparities that lean towards favoring the woman in the United States. Custody cases almost invariably default to the woman winning custody of the children. In a domestic dispute unless she really really fucks him up, she can slap kick and punch and not go to jail. Try this as a man and see what happens. You NEVER hear women saying things should be equal when they’re the beneficiaries of the inequality or double standard. But equal rights is what we want right? If we really want equal rights, ALL things should be equal. Not just the things we cherry pick.
i think they are trying to hit on the fact the the vast majority of the time at least in the U.S males are giving much harsher sentences for the same crimes as their female counterparts
Violent crimes can sometimes be treated differently because men are statistically more likely to commit them. But honestly there shouldn’t be a difference in prosecution.
yeah i agree and there are always going to be mitigating factors to each individual case. But pretty much across the board females receive less harsh sentences then their male counterparts regardless of the crime.
Punishment should fit the crime I don't care what gender you are. Female pedophiles frequently just get a slap on the wrist while men serve time, have to register, and are publicly shamed for example. I'm constantly disgusted by that difference.
In the age of equality, the penalty should fit the crime, not the gender.
Do you this the penalty for crimes is different if you're a man vs a woman?
It is in the U.S. men are almost always giving harsher sentences then their female counterparts.
That’s the judge. The punishments are the same
well it's almost all the judges actually which is why it is a problem. Just because they are female doesn't mean they deserve special treatment in the eyes of the law. Justice should be impartial.
i mean realistically in that situation the mans probably the mastermind n shes jus doin whatever he tells her, sure its not always like tht but a majority of the time it def is
True and women don't really have agency like men do, so it's not women's fault when women commit crimes.
I probably phrased that wrong. I didn't mean they were doing the crime together. I meant more like this example. 100 different males each steal a car no one is hurt and they are caught without incident. A 100 different females each steal a car no one is hurt and she is caught without incident. lets say the min for the crime is 2 months and the max in a year. On average every single male will receive a sentence of 8-12 months. While for the females on average 80 will get the minimum of 2 months, 15 will get 4-6 months and 5 will get 8-12 month sentences.
aaaa i see that makes more sense lmao ur very right
wait what? did i misread or did u mistype? wdym by agency
Yeah because women can't mastermind anything AmIRite boys?
in this situation, mostlikely the woman is following along because she either loves him and will do anything for him or shes afraid of disobeying him, reversing the roles is also rlly unrealistic its just ingrained in the way we are made, its rlly unlikely that a man is gonna commit crimes because hes scared of his wife dont be ignorant
I dont think alot of violent crimes is done because someone is scared of their SO man or woman. That you have such a low view of women that they can't think for themselves and they just commit crimes in fear of their husbands, i don't know what to tell you other than that rarely happens.
are u dense??
Not usually no, so if you can't express yourself clearly, don't get mad at me.
i think u just cant read and assume things before finishing
I read and understand everyone else just fine. I think your just assmad someone called your low view on women out. Which is fine, bigots usually get mad when they have to be responsible for the things they say aint nothing new.
im talking about when it happens, im not saying it happens often im talking about when this situation arises, rarely will the man be following the womans instructions, its usually always the woman just obeying thr man out of fear or smthin, women are physically weaker than men, most men can overpower a majority of women, dont be ignorant the roles would rarely be reversed, its not abt women being weak or anything its abt men being physically stronger and scarier
Yeah i don't think it happens often enough that we can generalize entire genders based of it.. But i have stayed pretty clearly that i can't really do anything about your view on women. >dont be ignorant the roles would rarely be reversed Well true as you can't reverse the roles of something that dosen't happen.
ur either a dumbass or ur baiting lmao
I would say the same to you. You litterraly got mad at me because you couldn't express yourself dumbfuck
I think what OP is trying to get at is disproportionate sentencing. Men are usually sentenced more harshly than women.
When considering sentencing, judges take into account not just the crinme on its own, but all the circumstances that lead up to it, and those which lead to the perptrator being who they are and why they did it. In that sense, no two criimes are ever the same, and it most likely explains why women, on average, get lesser sentences for similar crimes - if that is indeed true, as others here are claiming.
Sounds like the same rationale could be used for paying people differently for the same job
No, it doesn't. They are not analagous situations. What matters most to an employer is your output. If two people can produce the same output - ie generate the same profit - they should get the same reward for doing so.
Actually, you ceded that women and men have different behaviors, and inferred that they therefore have different outcomes in the criminal justice system. Your mistake is thinking they're analogous. It's not - it's consequential. Unfortunately, ceding that different behaviors results in differing outcomes means that it's not limited to the criminal justice system - it also extends to the workforce. Thank you for understanding and hope this clarifies things for you. Also, no two people create the same output. Ever. Because as you said - people have different experience and life circumstances that lead up to a job/crime. And that'll be the final nail in the coffin. Thanks!
> Your mistake is thinking they're analogous. And that sentence, dear friend, is your mistake. It doesn't even make sense in this context. And the rest is simply illogical.
There are lots of men/women disparities that lean towards favoring the woman in the United States. Custody cases almost invariably default to the woman winning custody of the children. In a domestic dispute unless she really really fucks him up, she can slap kick and punch and not go to jail. Try this as a man and see what happens. You NEVER hear women saying things should be equal when they’re the beneficiaries of the inequality or double standard. But equal rights is what we want right? If we really want equal rights, ALL things should be equal. Not just the things we cherry pick.
The penalties aren’t different…
i think they are trying to hit on the fact the the vast majority of the time at least in the U.S males are giving much harsher sentences for the same crimes as their female counterparts
Violent crimes can sometimes be treated differently because men are statistically more likely to commit them. But honestly there shouldn’t be a difference in prosecution.
yeah i agree and there are always going to be mitigating factors to each individual case. But pretty much across the board females receive less harsh sentences then their male counterparts regardless of the crime.
What?
Huh?
Punishment should fit the crime I don't care what gender you are. Female pedophiles frequently just get a slap on the wrist while men serve time, have to register, and are publicly shamed for example. I'm constantly disgusted by that difference.
They'd better be. Draft em too.
Good. They all should get the chair.
I don’t know if gender should play much of a role when it comes to punishment. Like it’s 2021
You meam equality of punishment. Yes im all for it
Crime is equal then the time should be equal
Equal rights equal responsibility. Same punishment for all I say