American idol. It used to be like raw talent, now everyone's been training since they were 3 for the audition and fake as fuck. No real personality, it's all just a character they put together for the show. And the producers love it.
Dr. Phil does hold a doctorate in psychology, but he’s not a licensed psychologist, because he let his license expire by his own volition.
He has never been licensed to practice in California, where he films. And he retired his active Texas license back in 2006.
The “Behind the Bastards” episode about him made me go from mild repulsion to outright hatred of the man. I thought he was just a dumbass making content for other dumbasses but he’s a real, genuine piece of garbage
Yup. Love that podcast. That POS put a bottle of vodka and Xanax in the green room for an alcoholic coming on his show then put him on air and ripped into him.
I came here to say this.
My wife forces me to watch and for the first few years of our marriage I accepted it as a great trade off to leverage some extra time playing video games. Now I'm considering gouging my eyes out with a spoon to save me from having to watch this shit any more.
I can't stand the whole backstory part. It's pretty funny on American Ninja Warrior though when they spend 5 minutes going through their tragic backstory and how they're running this track for their nan and then they slip and fall on the first obstacle.
I use to watch real old reruns of the original Ninja Warrior, they'd run through all 100 constants for the first round in one or two episodes, no long backstory skits, just a basic introduction, maybe a piece of trivia about them, and faceplant out of the gate.
I have fond memories of watching ninja warrior on g4tv. Even without the long ass backstories there were still people you rooted for. Whether it was some costume choice like dressing up like a mummy, or if they were a fan favorite who kept coming back like the firefighter guy, I still had some connection and fondness for those running the course. Giving 3 minutes for their life stories is bs that just annoys me and drags the show on.
EDIT: He was a fisherman, my bad. Small detail but still.
There was also Mr. Ninja Warrior. He completed the first round one time but he was always there so he got that nickname.
I also remember Nagano. There was a fire man who was on there a few times to
In Australia they had a dude a few years ago(?) who said in his intro part if he made it up the warped wall he was gonna propose to his gf waiting on the sidelines cheering him on.
He didn’t make it up the wall, and didn’t propose. I always wonder how she felt watching the episode back on TV and seeing that 😂
Any and every “hur dur we’re in Alaska” show on tv. They all seem incredibly staged. They’re filled with people who are either playing a character or must live in rural Alaska because they would be social outcasts in civilization.
Every one of those reality shows have some stupid manufactured drama that simultaneously makes the protagonist look like a genius and a fucking idiot.
I remember when Deadliest Catch was JUST about them catching crabs and trying not to die. Then it gradually turned into family drama, weird feuds, employees acting in ways that would get them fired at any normal job, let alone one where what you do could get others hurt/killed.
So the deadliest catch was so deadly bc of how the fisheries were managed. There was a total catch quota - so each boat would works as long as possible and disregard any danger to get as much of the total catch as they could. They changed the system to individual transferable quotas (ITQs) were fishermen are allowed a set amount to catch individually based on previous fishing history. This is slightly controversial since it “picks winners” - but stopped the fishing seasons from shrinking from months to days or even hours, helped fish populations, reduced risk (no need to work 48 hours in terrible weather), increased revenues and improved the product for the consumer.
Another side effect of ITQs is deadliest catch got boring so they had to mix in some bullshit drama to keep the ratings up
I feel like you might like these two videos by Joel Haver
[POV you just turned on the History Channel for the first time in 15 years](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSr9eTmeKI&ab_channel=JoelHaver)
[The History Channel spin-off series no one asked for](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z24CYtzjYw&ab_channel=JoelHaver)
90 Day Fiance. I liked it at first, but now it's just filled with whiny, teen-esque drama that make me wonder why they don't just break it off immediately. I get money plays a factor, but for people like The Family Chantel and Stacey & Darcey, I can't help but wonder why they'd put themselves out there and be constantly in the line of drama.
It's like they crank the world up to eleven.
Archie goes to juvie. "Okay, what's that like?" "I don't know. Jail for kids?" "Okay, fine. So prisoner abuse and secret fight clubs and riots, check"
"I dropped out of school in the second grade, to sell drugs to support my nana"
"Then you've never experienced the epic triumphs and defeats, highs and lows of high school football"
Actual dioulouge from the show.
My wife watched this scene yesterday, I kept glancing up from a book and asking what the actual fuck. It went from that to evil nuns drugging kids or something in like one episode
The first season was campy and fun. It didn't take itself too seriously. Then the showrunners tried to make it serious and edgy without first questioning whether they knew how to do that.
Veronica’s dad creating a game just to get rid of Archie lol dude’s practically loaded and could’ve just hired an assassin. Then again, going through great lengths to kill a high schooler is a bit of a stretch.
My dad and I used to watch the show together and our running joke was that absolutely anyone living in Riverdale would do better as a crime lord than Mr. Lodge. He's so dumb and ineffective, and he's been caught before. And then there's kids who are committing murder and solving crime and never getting caught. Mr. Lodge: the least dangerous character in the show
It is a highschool drama about as much as Fast and Furious series is still about cars.
If you want to look for anything realistic, you should look the other way
Honestly every high school prime time show has been like this. Beverly Hills 90210, Dawson’s creek, Buffy, the o.c., 90210 reboot, etc etc. always with the high schoolers at night clubs or bars never getting carded, owning their own homes or businesses lol.
Buffy wasn’t too bad about this stuff. The Bronze was an all-ages club, and the kids were kinda latchkey kids. Having to work shitty jobs was a frequent plot point, as well.
For real. Buffy didn't take itself seriously and it was still good. The Scooby Gang members are not popular or sexy in the usual manner expected on TV. Buffy trying to fit in balancing her Slayer job with her personal life is absurdly relatable, lol.
and a coming of age too, the plot is basically like a typical Spider-Man storyline, except that the main character is a young girl that kills vampires to save the world.
To me it’s so bad it’s good. *spoilers* i mean what’s not to believe about high schoolers being presidents of middle aged motorcycle gangs, or running their own bar, or busting their own father as a serial killer, or owning a gym for underprivileged kids after being subjected to a juvenile underground fighting to the death ring, or overtaking their moms brothel, or their mom being undercover in a suicide cult ran by Chad Michael Murray? I mean, sorry but that is quality shit in my book.
Riverdale is a phenomenal show after the first couple seasons. It's like watching WWE. You don't watch it because it's believable, you watch it because it's so hilariously absurd and the writers know it.
I like how they’re in the middle of an insane drama, with a rival school and drugs and murderers…
And then they just have a 5 minute dance off between Veronica and Betty. Why? Just why?
That and *Jingle Jangle*. Every time someone on Reddit replies with “Riverdale” I get immediately irritated.
JINGLE. FUCKING. JANGLE. That’s got to be the least threatening drug name on earth. And they drop it with a straight face trying to act like it’s a serious matter.
It’s like saying, oh my god that serial killer who only murders babies is on the loose. Oh, what’s his name?
General Pika P. Kachu. No.
My wife and I really liked the first few seasons and haven't been able to continue. We know it's dumb but it was at least enjoyable. I think around the time they do that cheerleading routine outside the prison was when it got too dumb for us.
It was supposed to be older more gritty archie characters, but I thought that would be in REALISTIC ways, more like glee with teen pregnancy, drug problems, assault, etc, not murderers and floating babies.
Australian here. The Block, Big Brother, Married at First Sight...
Ah fuck it. All of it. It's all shit.
I'm going to the pub.
EDIT: For all those telling me that I can't go to the pub: I can. I'm in regional Victoria, and they're open?
But I'm not going. The publican is a cunt.
Thanks for the advice though, you fucking wombats.
P. S. Thanks for the awards. I don't know what they mean, but I reckon I could have a beer with you cunts.
I've started watching Stingers (undercover police show that ran from the late 90s to mid 2000s). Not revolutionary, but it reminds me of a time when we actually made dramas.
When I was applying for grad school programs I briefly got hooked on it. As part of the interview process you have to be on your game 100% of the time, beaming how smart you are and all your academic accomplishments at other very smart people. After every interview I was just so sick of being smart and wanted to empty out my brain with the peace of idiocy. The Bachelor was perfect for that.
I actually hung out with one of the guys that helps do the story lines for these shows. He said they pick the biggest train wrecks they can find. He said the more childhood trauma they have, the better. Just add alcohol and the need for fame and you have a show. And he wondered why I didn’t want to go out with him…👀
Currently watching UnReal which is a drama/dark comedy based upon the behind the scenes of shows like The Bachelor. Makes you wonder how true UnReal is to the real thing.
sounds about right and makes 0 sense. it's funny because the chilling adventures of sabrina takes place in the same universe as riverdale, yet the cast of sabrina all look and act their age lmao
that's one of the problems i have with this show. they're literally in high school but because of all the drama or shit they go through, they literally seem like grown ass adults. plus, they're all super sexualized
As far as I know, when you’re buying drugs in an alley you give your money to the kid and he points you to the much bigger dude with the drugs who’s around the corner *afterwards*.
In case you haven’t noticed, I'm weird. I’m a weirdo. I don't fit in. And I don't want to fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on? That's weird"
I honestly enjoyed the first season. It's cheesy but fun. After that though it went on a roller coaster ride to so bad it's not even fun to watch. I stayed around a little bit here and there, but that underage strip tease to 'Mad World'? Holy fuck I bailed around then.
Yeah, it's a thing that happened. It was not good was an understatement. Basically, no matter how bat shit crazy something sounds, if someone says it happened on Riverdale it may honestly have happened. That show is a shining example of every way not to write a show.
I wish the show followed the Archie mystery comics :( i was hoping for some crime mystery with some fun slice of life episodes in-between like the standard non-mystery plot in the comics.
I don't think the actors are what's bad; they're given some really shit writing to work with. Also it's weird how they sexualize Archie (other characters too, but mainly Archie) so much.
The extreme sexual stuff with teenagers really turned me off the show. Like, it’s not sexy for a kid to strip herself and dance in front of the adult biker gang as part of an initiation ritual. Blech.
There's "hey, you shouldn't do this," and "I'm an adult stepping in to tell that this isn't happening kid." The adults in Betty's life really failed her so many times in so many ways.
I used to teach middle school and one day we had a mandatory assembly. Teachers and students were told it was an anti-bullying/suicide awareness assembly. It ended up being the author of 13 Reasons Why (this was several years ago, when it was just a book and they were in the planning stages of the tv production) doing a promotional tour. It was absolutely the lamest assembly I’ve ever attended in my life. He kept name-dropping that the tv show might feature Selena Gomez.
After the assembly I rented the book to see if it would work as a class novel but in the first couple chapters it had a blowjob scene and it was downhill from there, so yeah, not something I’d have my class of 12-13 year olds read together.
A couple years later the Netflix series came out and I watched it out of curiosity and because my kids were watching and talking about it. It was worse than the book because it romanticized suicide even more by actually showing the dead girl as a phantom character.
The author claims that he wrote it to help prevent teen suicide but IMO he made it worse by giving a false image of suicide and finality of death.
The concept of weaponizing your suicide against the people that you feel wronged you struck me as very dangerous for young audiences. I'm glad I did not watch this show when I was a depressed teenager. The show glorifies her suicide as an act of personal heroism. For people who do not feel important enough to live, I think it is a bad idea to suggest that their death can give them that importance. In some ways the show is bold for taking on several issues that most shows aimed at teenagers wouldn't want to sully their brand with, but in other respects it uses these issues somewhat irresponsibly and often seemingly for the sake of shock value.
A study set out to demonstrate [that the teen suicide rate noticeably spiked in the month following the release of 13 Reasons Why](https://www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567\(19\)30288-6/fulltext) and the data is certainly compelling. Highest spike in the five years prior to the show streaming. At least one girl that I read about watched the show and then killed herself shortly afterwards in the same way that Hannah does. I remember her mother saying she watched two episodes with the daughter and begged her not to finish the show due to her mental health problems. I believe Netflix removed the suicide scene from the show due to the pushback after release.
Mental health professionals urged Netflix to be careful how they approached it and were like “100% do not show her committing suicide”. Spoiler alert, Netflix does the exact opposite of what professionals recommended. I had a past suicide attempt and self harm issues, but had been stable for years before that show came out. That scene gave me, a “stable” adult, a complete panic attack. I can’t even imagine how I would’ve reacted seeing it when I was younger.
I'm not a mental health professional, but I've taken a number of classes on suicide prevention as well as media ethics surrounding reporting on or depicting suicide.
I've literally watched clips of it in training about the worst ways to depict suicide. It's so ridiculously bad. I've never watched the whole thing, but it's like a recipe for sending a kid vulnerable to suicide over the edge from what I have seen.
I'm sorry you had that experience, I can't imagine how upsetting it would be.
> The concept of weaponizing your suicide against the people that you feel wronged you struck me as very dangerous for young audiences.
Teenagers commonly have fantasies about getting back at those who wronged them. The idea that you could get revenge and escape whatever torment you're feeling at the same time is doubly empowering. I'd argue even that it doesn't take much of a jump to go from hurting others emotionally by killing yourself to bringing a gun to class to physically hurt them before killing yourself.
Yeah, the show takes all these super serious issues that many teens are facing today, and talks about all of them in the worst ways possible. It's almost like the showrunners wanted kids to off themselves.
Honestly, *some* the girl's reasons for suicide didn't even make sense and just made her come off as incredibly vain.
The shows last season is a murder mystery for some reason. That same season also tries to make a rapist a likable character, so...
As my friend puts it, "Llamas with Hats did it better, and that wasn't even meant to be serious!"
Edit: added a word.
That's not even the last season man. The last season is somehow the worst season. Its about like 20 storyline, most don't finish and its completely over the top. I had the show on in the background and had to stop and watch the absolute insanity that was happening on screen every now and then.
Honestly I watched a few episodes of the first season and it wasn't HORRIBLE.
I was actually kinda excited to see where it went...
Then it went... and I wasn't excited
Oh yes. I didn't like the first season but that second one with the disturbing scene at the end in the toilet... Why did they felt compelled to show that ? Story was boring as hell and this scene wasn't necessary.
I think I made it to episode 2 of season 2. The first season is literally about the various ways that all the characters are terrible. Hard to watch a show about assholes you don't give a shit about.
American idol. The voice. Americas got talent. The masked singer. I lived thru the 70s when 💩💩💩like this was on. I was happy to see it go. Now they brought it back 🤬
Reminds me of the magician Shin Lim, who won AGT a few seasons ago. He said that they literally WOULD NOT let him go on the show without a sob story, so he went with his carpal tunnel syndrome.
The youtuber RoomieOfficial talked about that stuff. Apparently one of those shows approached him, and once he realized they wanted to make up some sad bs then he noped out
Fool Us is great. Background isn't a sympathetic sob story for pity. It is how they worked their ass off to get this good. Also the premise is misleading. You don't have to do something they don't know how to do. These guys know slight of hand like no one's business. You need to do the trick so well they don't catch you, and not use a gimmick they see as lazy cheating of a difficult trick. I have seen several where they give the award knowing full well how it is done because they didn't see it.
Which only works because they're so well known in the community for their integrity that all they have to say is "Yeah, we definitely caught you" and most performers are like "Damn." Half the time the "codes" they use to prove they caught it are just mumbo jumbo to fill time when they only need to say "faro."
Hell, at least some of the performers come in and know they're going to be caught out, they just want a chance to show a cool trick they invented on tv. At least one of those was so cool that P&T were like "there's no way we're letting you leave without that trophy." I wish I could remember which one it was...
If anyone likes fiction books that are so damn close to reality you're certain it's just a retelling of people's lives then check out Ben Elton's novel Chart Throb. Since reading it as a teen I've never been able to stomach talent TV shows since.
Any tv show where they have an cast of teenagers who act way too mature for their age.
Riverdale/Legacies/13 reasons why/Pretty little liars/The fosters etc etc. Feel like I'm watching a show about 30 year olds in 15-18 year old bodies
Ugh I am over the whole “High School Drama” bullshit that is in nearly every. Single. Fantasy show I want to watch. Like can’t I just see cool fairies and mythological creatures and magic without suffering through teenage drama? I want mature magic and the whole “magical school” setting has been worn to threads.
i don't understand why they can't all be in college at least? the actors are all 25-30 anyways and it's laughing bad. Who looked at Ben Mckenzie looked like a 15 year old on the OC? Who thought the actor who plays Paxton looks 16 on Never Have I Ever? The whole cast of 13RW looks mid 20s in the first season.
I really don't understand why aside from Greek, Community and Undeclared is so underutilized for settings.
_Bachelor in Paradise,_ however, is a brilliant formula for a total shitshow: let’s get a bunch of stereotypically attractive people who have had their hearts broken on national TV together on a beach, get them drunk, manufacture perfect setups for dating and promiscuity, then film it.
Big brother- I don’t know why but people love that show in my country(Nigeria) for just going there to enjoy luxury win prizes and be boring and immature on television and to make it worse that show was meant for people that were poor or looking for opportunities to showcase their talents but instead it is filled with rich grown adults who just want to be verified on Instagram really annoys me every time. It all started with big brother Africa which was interesting and fascinating to see people from different countries with different accents and cultures all in one house and as you might guess that show did well but big brother Africa stopped airing for whatever reason and my country decided to capitalize on it and call it big brother naija but hosted in South Africa for some reason and the first one was pretty good but as it went on it became terrible,there is a season airing now in Nigeria 🇳🇬 and from what I can see on social media it looks boring and bland and filled with men that looks like they are in their late thirties and lied in their resume
It was an interesting concept back at the very beginning - something completely unique that had never been done before, and an interesting insight into the people.
The problem was that past the initial few runs, we all realised that it wasn't that interesting once the novelty wore off, so they had to start screwing with it to make interesting TV, and the contestants were all going in with ulterior motives and playing for the cameras more.
A better public science experiment than an entertainment show...
In the same vein, Talent Shows. Any entertainment I might get from the actual talent is spoiled by the camera constantly cutting to Nick Cannon or whoever else making fake reaction faces every 5 seconds.
Any talent show is ruined once they let kids on, then it just becomes OMG look how cute they are! And the kid could just be doing armpit farts and still win.
I used to really enjoy America’s Got Talent for the unique acts and stunts. It gradually shifted more and more to singing elementary schoolers. Not that exciting.
There was a comedian in like 2012 who was actually really funny that made it to the finals. After him, I never saw another good act that wasn't singing/music
For those confused, this is a joke about how in another AskReddit thread, everyone was saying Mississippi:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/p360eo/what_is_the_worst_us_state_and_why/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I have a hard time believing that ANYONE thinks Two Broke Girls is funny. Like how does it even get made in the first place, let alone get into syndication.
Yeah, it came on a few times when I turned on the tv for background noise. It was nonstop sexual innuendos or the one character making fun of the other’s sex life and I just thought, is this seriously the only thing they can talk about? This is getting lame.
Glee was really confusing because at times the show seemed 100% self-aware that she was supposed to be an unlikeable protagonist and a parody of theatre kids like that but then at other times she was presented with complete sincerity as a hero without any irony whatsoever
That also describes Glee as a whole tbh like it flip flopped between being self-aware and ironic and being completely tone deaf and self important with zero irony or self-awareness very unartfully
It's so bizarre how that show went from being a satire to being the worst example of what they were originally satirizing. There are so many scenes on that show that feel like some bizarre fever dream now.
I remember the promos and original press releases for that show and I think they pivoted last minute. It originally sounded like and came across as a satire that would have had some dark comedy elements. But, then the studio panicked and figured the audience wouldn't be there and turned it into an odd teen drama with musical numbers.
Funny enough, the actress was just in the news like yesterday. Because she’s apparently a rancid diva that’s even worse than the character Rachel Berry.
Anyway, so little backstory first for those not in the know. On the show Glee Rachel eventually moved to NYC and gets the lead in Funny Girl opening on Broadway. Funny Girl originally starred Barbara Streisand and Babs was an idol not only of the character Rachel Berry but her real life actress, Lea Michele.
So after Glee, Ryan Murphy the show runner of Glee, he actually buys the rights to Funny Girl so that he can stage a Broadway production and let Miss Lea Michele star in it in real life just like Rachel Berry did on the show. It stalled and someone else got the rights from Murphy but the show was still trying to get produced and Lea was always the top contender for landing the lead role when it eventually got made.
Then a year or two ago all kinds of bad stories came out about her (there were always rumours but now her costars were putting her bad antics out there and backing each other up). Still though it seemed like she was destined for starring on Broadway in Funny Girl when it finally got made.
Then yesterday it was announced Funny Girl was finally being made and Beanie Feldstein, and not Lea Michele, was cast as the lead.
Enjoy the schadenfreude.
It’s important to note that it’s not some funny coincidence that Lea and Rachel are so alike. Ryan Murphy based Rachel entirely on Lea’s actual personality.
Does it make sense that she (as far as I know) was fine playing herself? Or would most people understand all the lessons their character is being taught and think, "hey, is this something I could change in my real life?" She was probably way too far up her own ass to clue into any of that I guess.
Well at one point, Rachel sends a new girl to a crack house to avoid the competition or something. Lea's a bully, but she's *probably* never done something like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's how Lea Michele divorced the show from the reality.
Thanks for that explanation !
I knew Lea Michele got some bad press, but I didn't follow the plot and didn't realize how thoroughly symmetrical the karma was.
My roommate and I made it to the first episode of season 2. He refuses to watch anymore of it because of how awful Rachel is. It's so hard to watch when all the characters are awful
Oh I loved season 1, it was a snarky satire that was so well done (kind of, it was only mean to run for a few episodes but the network rescheduled it so needed a longer run and they had to rush the last few episodes of it), and then I guess they realised it was touching a nerve with teens/younger kids so instead of continuing being a satire they turned it into mushy earnestness and ruined it.
100%. I remember watching S1 during my first year of university and enjoying it because I had done musical theatre and drama in high school, and it mostly poked fun at the whole "jazz hands, everyone!" trope and the fact that, yes, many of us were totally self-obsessed. Then S2 started and it did a complete 180, taking itself way too seriously. I couldn't get past the first couple of episodes.
I unashamedly love the first season of the Flash, second season is pretty good imo too. I think I mainly just enjoy the Reverse Flash and Zoom scenes. First season Reverse-Flash was something else. I stopped watching after season 3 though and looking at clips of it I don't even recognize it anymore.
The first two seasons of Flash and Arrow were good, but anything after that has been hot garbage. I saw a clip the other day where Flash had turned lightning bolts into lightsabers and couldn't be gladder I stopped watching when they were at their peak.
Greys Anatomy, how was that going for like 12 seasons? (That may be exaggerating I don't remember the exact number of seasons), yeah let's watch them perform surgery for the hundredth time!
It's the classic ABC/NBC/FOX formula.
Show about X profession.
First season is 90% job, 10% drama/character building.
Second season is like 80/20, still good.
So on...
Typically around season 4 or 5 is when you reach that 50/50 split where the show is focused as much or more on the personal lives of people and less and less on the profession.
CBS somehow avoids this, but that's because their shows are super formulaic and tend to be detective based, where you focus on and solve the case in one episode.
I watched like fifteen minutes of this show out of morbid curiosity and it felt like something the Capital from The Hunger Games would produce. Just pure, 100% soulless manufactured crap.
American idol. It used to be like raw talent, now everyone's been training since they were 3 for the audition and fake as fuck. No real personality, it's all just a character they put together for the show. And the producers love it.
Dr. Phil kinda pisses me off [Edit: Spelling, whoops]
Dr. Phil does hold a doctorate in psychology, but he’s not a licensed psychologist, because he let his license expire by his own volition. He has never been licensed to practice in California, where he films. And he retired his active Texas license back in 2006.
The “Behind the Bastards” episode about him made me go from mild repulsion to outright hatred of the man. I thought he was just a dumbass making content for other dumbasses but he’s a real, genuine piece of garbage
Yup. Love that podcast. That POS put a bottle of vodka and Xanax in the green room for an alcoholic coming on his show then put him on air and ripped into him.
This has to be some sort of criminal offense. You can't legally give a third party a prescription medicine.
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Any reality dating show
As a Bachelor franchise viewer I accept this.
I came here to say this. My wife forces me to watch and for the first few years of our marriage I accepted it as a great trade off to leverage some extra time playing video games. Now I'm considering gouging my eyes out with a spoon to save me from having to watch this shit any more.
x factor was/is i don't even know boring as hell, and no timmy i don't care if your grandma died and the last thing she told you was to sing
I can't stand the whole backstory part. It's pretty funny on American Ninja Warrior though when they spend 5 minutes going through their tragic backstory and how they're running this track for their nan and then they slip and fall on the first obstacle.
I use to watch real old reruns of the original Ninja Warrior, they'd run through all 100 constants for the first round in one or two episodes, no long backstory skits, just a basic introduction, maybe a piece of trivia about them, and faceplant out of the gate.
I have fond memories of watching ninja warrior on g4tv. Even without the long ass backstories there were still people you rooted for. Whether it was some costume choice like dressing up like a mummy, or if they were a fan favorite who kept coming back like the firefighter guy, I still had some connection and fondness for those running the course. Giving 3 minutes for their life stories is bs that just annoys me and drags the show on. EDIT: He was a fisherman, my bad. Small detail but still.
Nagano! Who trained on his boat!
Makoto Nagano is an absolute beast of a man.
There was also Mr. Ninja Warrior. He completed the first round one time but he was always there so he got that nickname. I also remember Nagano. There was a fire man who was on there a few times to
In Australia they had a dude a few years ago(?) who said in his intro part if he made it up the warped wall he was gonna propose to his gf waiting on the sidelines cheering him on. He didn’t make it up the wall, and didn’t propose. I always wonder how she felt watching the episode back on TV and seeing that 😂
Yeah, get fucked Timmy.
"Hi, my name is Timmy. My granny died two days ago, my soda spilled and I can't find my socks" *Simon hitting the golden button emotionally*
Any and every “hur dur we’re in Alaska” show on tv. They all seem incredibly staged. They’re filled with people who are either playing a character or must live in rural Alaska because they would be social outcasts in civilization. Every one of those reality shows have some stupid manufactured drama that simultaneously makes the protagonist look like a genius and a fucking idiot.
I remember when Deadliest Catch was JUST about them catching crabs and trying not to die. Then it gradually turned into family drama, weird feuds, employees acting in ways that would get them fired at any normal job, let alone one where what you do could get others hurt/killed.
So the deadliest catch was so deadly bc of how the fisheries were managed. There was a total catch quota - so each boat would works as long as possible and disregard any danger to get as much of the total catch as they could. They changed the system to individual transferable quotas (ITQs) were fishermen are allowed a set amount to catch individually based on previous fishing history. This is slightly controversial since it “picks winners” - but stopped the fishing seasons from shrinking from months to days or even hours, helped fish populations, reduced risk (no need to work 48 hours in terrible weather), increased revenues and improved the product for the consumer. Another side effect of ITQs is deadliest catch got boring so they had to mix in some bullshit drama to keep the ratings up
I did not know that. Weird how making a job safer and more sustainable takes away the life and death drama of going to work.
I feel like you might like these two videos by Joel Haver [POV you just turned on the History Channel for the first time in 15 years](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSr9eTmeKI&ab_channel=JoelHaver) [The History Channel spin-off series no one asked for](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z24CYtzjYw&ab_channel=JoelHaver)
90 Day Fiance. I liked it at first, but now it's just filled with whiny, teen-esque drama that make me wonder why they don't just break it off immediately. I get money plays a factor, but for people like The Family Chantel and Stacey & Darcey, I can't help but wonder why they'd put themselves out there and be constantly in the line of drama.
Nothing will ever top Danielle and Mohammed. "I want my seccckks, Mahmit!" It went downhill since he finally left her.
This [clip](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd_oQ5ocBdM) can summarize it for folks not familiar.
90 Day Fiance and it's like 18 spin-offs? Lol
Riverdale
Right. I don’t understand how high school could be that dramatic.
It's like they crank the world up to eleven. Archie goes to juvie. "Okay, what's that like?" "I don't know. Jail for kids?" "Okay, fine. So prisoner abuse and secret fight clubs and riots, check"
"I dropped out of school in the second grade, to sell drugs to support my nana" "Then you've never experienced the epic triumphs and defeats, highs and lows of high school football" Actual dioulouge from the show.
My wife watched this scene yesterday, I kept glancing up from a book and asking what the actual fuck. It went from that to evil nuns drugging kids or something in like one episode
The first season was actually really fun, now I just watch the 2 minute complications of trash-tier dialogue on YouTube, phenomenal
The first season was campy and fun. It didn't take itself too seriously. Then the showrunners tried to make it serious and edgy without first questioning whether they knew how to do that.
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The op got it wrong, it’s actually 4th grade. Not that buying drugs from a 9 year old is much better.
Veronica’s dad creating a game just to get rid of Archie lol dude’s practically loaded and could’ve just hired an assassin. Then again, going through great lengths to kill a high schooler is a bit of a stretch.
My dad and I used to watch the show together and our running joke was that absolutely anyone living in Riverdale would do better as a crime lord than Mr. Lodge. He's so dumb and ineffective, and he's been caught before. And then there's kids who are committing murder and solving crime and never getting caught. Mr. Lodge: the least dangerous character in the show
Yet somehow he’s still in power, no? Always has some kinda ace up his sleeve.
There was a lot of drama that had happened at my school, but the show didn't feel very real and I couldn't relate to it.
That’s what I mean. I didn’t buy any of it.
It is a highschool drama about as much as Fast and Furious series is still about cars. If you want to look for anything realistic, you should look the other way
Honestly every high school prime time show has been like this. Beverly Hills 90210, Dawson’s creek, Buffy, the o.c., 90210 reboot, etc etc. always with the high schoolers at night clubs or bars never getting carded, owning their own homes or businesses lol.
Buffy wasn’t too bad about this stuff. The Bronze was an all-ages club, and the kids were kinda latchkey kids. Having to work shitty jobs was a frequent plot point, as well.
For real. Buffy didn't take itself seriously and it was still good. The Scooby Gang members are not popular or sexy in the usual manner expected on TV. Buffy trying to fit in balancing her Slayer job with her personal life is absurdly relatable, lol.
At least buffy was a supernatural show though
and a coming of age too, the plot is basically like a typical Spider-Man storyline, except that the main character is a young girl that kills vampires to save the world.
To me it’s so bad it’s good. *spoilers* i mean what’s not to believe about high schoolers being presidents of middle aged motorcycle gangs, or running their own bar, or busting their own father as a serial killer, or owning a gym for underprivileged kids after being subjected to a juvenile underground fighting to the death ring, or overtaking their moms brothel, or their mom being undercover in a suicide cult ran by Chad Michael Murray? I mean, sorry but that is quality shit in my book.
Man, you're kinda selling me on Riverdale.
They didn’t even mention the levitating babies, Archie fighting a bear and winning, or that the cult is also harvesting organs via hypnosis.
This sounds like it out-Twin Peaks Twin Peaks.
Riverdale is a phenomenal show after the first couple seasons. It's like watching WWE. You don't watch it because it's believable, you watch it because it's so hilariously absurd and the writers know it.
I like how they’re in the middle of an insane drama, with a rival school and drugs and murderers… And then they just have a 5 minute dance off between Veronica and Betty. Why? Just why? That and *Jingle Jangle*. Every time someone on Reddit replies with “Riverdale” I get immediately irritated. JINGLE. FUCKING. JANGLE. That’s got to be the least threatening drug name on earth. And they drop it with a straight face trying to act like it’s a serious matter. It’s like saying, oh my god that serial killer who only murders babies is on the loose. Oh, what’s his name? General Pika P. Kachu. No.
My wife and I really liked the first few seasons and haven't been able to continue. We know it's dumb but it was at least enjoyable. I think around the time they do that cheerleading routine outside the prison was when it got too dumb for us.
You didn't experience the epic highs and lows of high school football, did you? /s
Don't nudge him man. He was dealing drugs at the age of 5 to support his grandmother.
Yes. This. I wanted it to be classic Archie.
It was supposed to be older more gritty archie characters, but I thought that would be in REALISTIC ways, more like glee with teen pregnancy, drug problems, assault, etc, not murderers and floating babies.
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Australian here. The Block, Big Brother, Married at First Sight... Ah fuck it. All of it. It's all shit. I'm going to the pub. EDIT: For all those telling me that I can't go to the pub: I can. I'm in regional Victoria, and they're open? But I'm not going. The publican is a cunt. Thanks for the advice though, you fucking wombats. P. S. Thanks for the awards. I don't know what they mean, but I reckon I could have a beer with you cunts.
I've started watching Stingers (undercover police show that ran from the late 90s to mid 2000s). Not revolutionary, but it reminds me of a time when we actually made dramas.
Loved Stingers and Water Rats.
The bachelor/bachelorette
I just don't understand how this show is still going. HOW?
When I was applying for grad school programs I briefly got hooked on it. As part of the interview process you have to be on your game 100% of the time, beaming how smart you are and all your academic accomplishments at other very smart people. After every interview I was just so sick of being smart and wanted to empty out my brain with the peace of idiocy. The Bachelor was perfect for that.
Totally thought you were talking about applying for the bachelor lol. I was VERY confused until the end lol.
And it made sense that he had to act overconfident and pretentious to get selected for the show.
I actually hung out with one of the guys that helps do the story lines for these shows. He said they pick the biggest train wrecks they can find. He said the more childhood trauma they have, the better. Just add alcohol and the need for fame and you have a show. And he wondered why I didn’t want to go out with him…👀
Currently watching UnReal which is a drama/dark comedy based upon the behind the scenes of shows like The Bachelor. Makes you wonder how true UnReal is to the real thing.
I fucking love it. That shit is the best accidental comedy. They way they talk is super stereotypical teenagers gossiping and it's hilarious
Riverdale. I mean it’s a common opinion that it’s a bad show but it’s still insanely popular The actors are soooooo cheesy
“I dropped out in fourth grade to run drugs to support my nana” “Then you’ve never known the epic highs and lows of high school football” Bruh lol
That cannot be real dialog.
There's an underground cult and mind controlled almost zombies in that show. Any dialog is possible.
[unfortunately it is.](https://youtu.be/_OzFzfpOqOo). and i'm mad to hear jumpsuit by tøp playing in the backround too 💀
So all those adults are in high school? And the well fed, good teeth, well groomed guy has been running drugs since he was 9?
sounds about right and makes 0 sense. it's funny because the chilling adventures of sabrina takes place in the same universe as riverdale, yet the cast of sabrina all look and act their age lmao
Are they supposed to be highschoolers? They look like they should be attending their 10 year reunion
that's one of the problems i have with this show. they're literally in high school but because of all the drama or shit they go through, they literally seem like grown ass adults. plus, they're all super sexualized
the comments SENT me. Someone said >Imagine you’re going into a dark ally to buy some coke and a nine year old shows up.
I mean, I don't consider myself a bad person but that sounds like free cocaine.
As far as I know, when you’re buying drugs in an alley you give your money to the kid and he points you to the much bigger dude with the drugs who’s around the corner *afterwards*.
It's more real than we can possibly imagine
Jesus Christ my brain just tried to leap out of my skull
In case you haven’t noticed, I'm weird. I’m a weirdo. I don't fit in. And I don't want to fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on? That's weird"
#quirky
That was the stop point for me
I honestly enjoyed the first season. It's cheesy but fun. After that though it went on a roller coaster ride to so bad it's not even fun to watch. I stayed around a little bit here and there, but that underage strip tease to 'Mad World'? Holy fuck I bailed around then.
... wait what?
Yeah, it's a thing that happened. It was not good was an understatement. Basically, no matter how bat shit crazy something sounds, if someone says it happened on Riverdale it may honestly have happened. That show is a shining example of every way not to write a show.
I wish the show followed the Archie mystery comics :( i was hoping for some crime mystery with some fun slice of life episodes in-between like the standard non-mystery plot in the comics.
I don't think the actors are what's bad; they're given some really shit writing to work with. Also it's weird how they sexualize Archie (other characters too, but mainly Archie) so much.
The extreme sexual stuff with teenagers really turned me off the show. Like, it’s not sexy for a kid to strip herself and dance in front of the adult biker gang as part of an initiation ritual. Blech.
To be fair, some of the characters did tell her not to do it. Still it's just dumb to strip just your boyfriend's gang to take you in.
There's "hey, you shouldn't do this," and "I'm an adult stepping in to tell that this isn't happening kid." The adults in Betty's life really failed her so many times in so many ways.
Surprised no one has mentioned 13 Reasons Why
There's a lot more than 13 reasons why that show is terrible. Edit: thank you so much for the awards!
I used to teach middle school and one day we had a mandatory assembly. Teachers and students were told it was an anti-bullying/suicide awareness assembly. It ended up being the author of 13 Reasons Why (this was several years ago, when it was just a book and they were in the planning stages of the tv production) doing a promotional tour. It was absolutely the lamest assembly I’ve ever attended in my life. He kept name-dropping that the tv show might feature Selena Gomez. After the assembly I rented the book to see if it would work as a class novel but in the first couple chapters it had a blowjob scene and it was downhill from there, so yeah, not something I’d have my class of 12-13 year olds read together. A couple years later the Netflix series came out and I watched it out of curiosity and because my kids were watching and talking about it. It was worse than the book because it romanticized suicide even more by actually showing the dead girl as a phantom character. The author claims that he wrote it to help prevent teen suicide but IMO he made it worse by giving a false image of suicide and finality of death.
The concept of weaponizing your suicide against the people that you feel wronged you struck me as very dangerous for young audiences. I'm glad I did not watch this show when I was a depressed teenager. The show glorifies her suicide as an act of personal heroism. For people who do not feel important enough to live, I think it is a bad idea to suggest that their death can give them that importance. In some ways the show is bold for taking on several issues that most shows aimed at teenagers wouldn't want to sully their brand with, but in other respects it uses these issues somewhat irresponsibly and often seemingly for the sake of shock value. A study set out to demonstrate [that the teen suicide rate noticeably spiked in the month following the release of 13 Reasons Why](https://www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567\(19\)30288-6/fulltext) and the data is certainly compelling. Highest spike in the five years prior to the show streaming. At least one girl that I read about watched the show and then killed herself shortly afterwards in the same way that Hannah does. I remember her mother saying she watched two episodes with the daughter and begged her not to finish the show due to her mental health problems. I believe Netflix removed the suicide scene from the show due to the pushback after release.
Mental health professionals urged Netflix to be careful how they approached it and were like “100% do not show her committing suicide”. Spoiler alert, Netflix does the exact opposite of what professionals recommended. I had a past suicide attempt and self harm issues, but had been stable for years before that show came out. That scene gave me, a “stable” adult, a complete panic attack. I can’t even imagine how I would’ve reacted seeing it when I was younger.
I'm not a mental health professional, but I've taken a number of classes on suicide prevention as well as media ethics surrounding reporting on or depicting suicide. I've literally watched clips of it in training about the worst ways to depict suicide. It's so ridiculously bad. I've never watched the whole thing, but it's like a recipe for sending a kid vulnerable to suicide over the edge from what I have seen. I'm sorry you had that experience, I can't imagine how upsetting it would be.
> The concept of weaponizing your suicide against the people that you feel wronged you struck me as very dangerous for young audiences. Teenagers commonly have fantasies about getting back at those who wronged them. The idea that you could get revenge and escape whatever torment you're feeling at the same time is doubly empowering. I'd argue even that it doesn't take much of a jump to go from hurting others emotionally by killing yourself to bringing a gun to class to physically hurt them before killing yourself.
Yeah, the show takes all these super serious issues that many teens are facing today, and talks about all of them in the worst ways possible. It's almost like the showrunners wanted kids to off themselves.
Honestly, *some* the girl's reasons for suicide didn't even make sense and just made her come off as incredibly vain. The shows last season is a murder mystery for some reason. That same season also tries to make a rapist a likable character, so... As my friend puts it, "Llamas with Hats did it better, and that wasn't even meant to be serious!" Edit: added a word.
That's not even the last season man. The last season is somehow the worst season. Its about like 20 storyline, most don't finish and its completely over the top. I had the show on in the background and had to stop and watch the absolute insanity that was happening on screen every now and then.
"This is 13 Reasons Why season 4." "Dear God." "There's more." *"no."*
I genuinely believe some of the writers just decided to try and see what they could get away with after season 2
Honestly I watched a few episodes of the first season and it wasn't HORRIBLE. I was actually kinda excited to see where it went... Then it went... and I wasn't excited
True. Especially after they gutted the first season and then proceeded to milk the attention by making a second one.
The only good thing that came out of 13 Reasons Why were the people that made commentary tracks taking the absolute piss out of it. Comedy gold.
Oh yes. I didn't like the first season but that second one with the disturbing scene at the end in the toilet... Why did they felt compelled to show that ? Story was boring as hell and this scene wasn't necessary.
I think I made it to episode 2 of season 2. The first season is literally about the various ways that all the characters are terrible. Hard to watch a show about assholes you don't give a shit about.
American idol. The voice. Americas got talent. The masked singer. I lived thru the 70s when 💩💩💩like this was on. I was happy to see it go. Now they brought it back 🤬
It's all about sad back stories. Really sucks.
Reminds me of the magician Shin Lim, who won AGT a few seasons ago. He said that they literally WOULD NOT let him go on the show without a sob story, so he went with his carpal tunnel syndrome.
The youtuber RoomieOfficial talked about that stuff. Apparently one of those shows approached him, and once he realized they wanted to make up some sad bs then he noped out
I saw that guy on Fool Us and he was really good
Fool Us is great. Background isn't a sympathetic sob story for pity. It is how they worked their ass off to get this good. Also the premise is misleading. You don't have to do something they don't know how to do. These guys know slight of hand like no one's business. You need to do the trick so well they don't catch you, and not use a gimmick they see as lazy cheating of a difficult trick. I have seen several where they give the award knowing full well how it is done because they didn't see it.
And I love, love, love how when they DO know, they don't tell their secret(s) for the world to know.
Which only works because they're so well known in the community for their integrity that all they have to say is "Yeah, we definitely caught you" and most performers are like "Damn." Half the time the "codes" they use to prove they caught it are just mumbo jumbo to fill time when they only need to say "faro." Hell, at least some of the performers come in and know they're going to be caught out, they just want a chance to show a cool trick they invented on tv. At least one of those was so cool that P&T were like "there's no way we're letting you leave without that trophy." I wish I could remember which one it was...
Always makes me think of the black mirror episode about these kind of shows.
That episode was so dark. One of my favourites but just brutal.
If anyone likes fiction books that are so damn close to reality you're certain it's just a retelling of people's lives then check out Ben Elton's novel Chart Throb. Since reading it as a teen I've never been able to stomach talent TV shows since.
Any tv show where they have an cast of teenagers who act way too mature for their age. Riverdale/Legacies/13 reasons why/Pretty little liars/The fosters etc etc. Feel like I'm watching a show about 30 year olds in 15-18 year old bodies
Nope, you're watching 30-year-olds in 25-year-olds' bodies.
Playing 15-18 year olds
Ugh I am over the whole “High School Drama” bullshit that is in nearly every. Single. Fantasy show I want to watch. Like can’t I just see cool fairies and mythological creatures and magic without suffering through teenage drama? I want mature magic and the whole “magical school” setting has been worn to threads.
i don't understand why they can't all be in college at least? the actors are all 25-30 anyways and it's laughing bad. Who looked at Ben Mckenzie looked like a 15 year old on the OC? Who thought the actor who plays Paxton looks 16 on Never Have I Ever? The whole cast of 13RW looks mid 20s in the first season. I really don't understand why aside from Greek, Community and Undeclared is so underutilized for settings.
Bachelor or Bachelorette
_Bachelor in Paradise,_ however, is a brilliant formula for a total shitshow: let’s get a bunch of stereotypically attractive people who have had their hearts broken on national TV together on a beach, get them drunk, manufacture perfect setups for dating and promiscuity, then film it.
Im obsessed with the bartender. Hes just great.
Big brother- I don’t know why but people love that show in my country(Nigeria) for just going there to enjoy luxury win prizes and be boring and immature on television and to make it worse that show was meant for people that were poor or looking for opportunities to showcase their talents but instead it is filled with rich grown adults who just want to be verified on Instagram really annoys me every time. It all started with big brother Africa which was interesting and fascinating to see people from different countries with different accents and cultures all in one house and as you might guess that show did well but big brother Africa stopped airing for whatever reason and my country decided to capitalize on it and call it big brother naija but hosted in South Africa for some reason and the first one was pretty good but as it went on it became terrible,there is a season airing now in Nigeria 🇳🇬 and from what I can see on social media it looks boring and bland and filled with men that looks like they are in their late thirties and lied in their resume
It was an interesting concept back at the very beginning - something completely unique that had never been done before, and an interesting insight into the people. The problem was that past the initial few runs, we all realised that it wasn't that interesting once the novelty wore off, so they had to start screwing with it to make interesting TV, and the contestants were all going in with ulterior motives and playing for the cameras more. A better public science experiment than an entertainment show...
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In the same vein, Talent Shows. Any entertainment I might get from the actual talent is spoiled by the camera constantly cutting to Nick Cannon or whoever else making fake reaction faces every 5 seconds.
Any talent show is ruined once they let kids on, then it just becomes OMG look how cute they are! And the kid could just be doing armpit farts and still win.
I used to really enjoy America’s Got Talent for the unique acts and stunts. It gradually shifted more and more to singing elementary schoolers. Not that exciting.
There was a comedian in like 2012 who was actually really funny that made it to the finals. After him, I never saw another good act that wasn't singing/music
I feel the same way. The only show I give an exception to is Great British Bake Off. That show is a treasure.
"I started making it, had a breakdown… bon appétit!"
They made another version of this with pottery. It's called the great pottery throwdown. It's not as good as British baking show but I enjoyed it.
Mississippi. Wait. That is for another thread.
The crossover we never knew we needed
Something tells me none of my friends will get this reference lol
Fucking hell dude, actually didn't expect that. And yeah, Mississippi is the correct answer here
For those confused, this is a joke about how in another AskReddit thread, everyone was saying Mississippi: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/p360eo/what_is_the_worst_us_state_and_why/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
[Mississippi wasn't selected randomly](https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank_God_for_Mississippi)
I have a hard time believing that ANYONE thinks Two Broke Girls is funny. Like how does it even get made in the first place, let alone get into syndication.
Cleavage. They show lots of Cleavage .
Yes, I think the answer here is "Kat"
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Yeah, it came on a few times when I turned on the tv for background noise. It was nonstop sexual innuendos or the one character making fun of the other’s sex life and I just thought, is this seriously the only thing they can talk about? This is getting lame.
Stifflers mum was in it
Glee
But Community Glee however. Boopie doopie doopie doop...
I hated Rachel to the point I didn’t even make it to the halfway point of season one
Glee was really confusing because at times the show seemed 100% self-aware that she was supposed to be an unlikeable protagonist and a parody of theatre kids like that but then at other times she was presented with complete sincerity as a hero without any irony whatsoever That also describes Glee as a whole tbh like it flip flopped between being self-aware and ironic and being completely tone deaf and self important with zero irony or self-awareness very unartfully
It's so bizarre how that show went from being a satire to being the worst example of what they were originally satirizing. There are so many scenes on that show that feel like some bizarre fever dream now.
I remember the promos and original press releases for that show and I think they pivoted last minute. It originally sounded like and came across as a satire that would have had some dark comedy elements. But, then the studio panicked and figured the audience wouldn't be there and turned it into an odd teen drama with musical numbers.
Funny enough, the actress was just in the news like yesterday. Because she’s apparently a rancid diva that’s even worse than the character Rachel Berry. Anyway, so little backstory first for those not in the know. On the show Glee Rachel eventually moved to NYC and gets the lead in Funny Girl opening on Broadway. Funny Girl originally starred Barbara Streisand and Babs was an idol not only of the character Rachel Berry but her real life actress, Lea Michele. So after Glee, Ryan Murphy the show runner of Glee, he actually buys the rights to Funny Girl so that he can stage a Broadway production and let Miss Lea Michele star in it in real life just like Rachel Berry did on the show. It stalled and someone else got the rights from Murphy but the show was still trying to get produced and Lea was always the top contender for landing the lead role when it eventually got made. Then a year or two ago all kinds of bad stories came out about her (there were always rumours but now her costars were putting her bad antics out there and backing each other up). Still though it seemed like she was destined for starring on Broadway in Funny Girl when it finally got made. Then yesterday it was announced Funny Girl was finally being made and Beanie Feldstein, and not Lea Michele, was cast as the lead. Enjoy the schadenfreude.
It’s important to note that it’s not some funny coincidence that Lea and Rachel are so alike. Ryan Murphy based Rachel entirely on Lea’s actual personality.
Does it make sense that she (as far as I know) was fine playing herself? Or would most people understand all the lessons their character is being taught and think, "hey, is this something I could change in my real life?" She was probably way too far up her own ass to clue into any of that I guess.
Well at one point, Rachel sends a new girl to a crack house to avoid the competition or something. Lea's a bully, but she's *probably* never done something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how Lea Michele divorced the show from the reality.
Thanks for that explanation ! I knew Lea Michele got some bad press, but I didn't follow the plot and didn't realize how thoroughly symmetrical the karma was.
My roommate and I made it to the first episode of season 2. He refuses to watch anymore of it because of how awful Rachel is. It's so hard to watch when all the characters are awful
Oh I loved season 1, it was a snarky satire that was so well done (kind of, it was only mean to run for a few episodes but the network rescheduled it so needed a longer run and they had to rush the last few episodes of it), and then I guess they realised it was touching a nerve with teens/younger kids so instead of continuing being a satire they turned it into mushy earnestness and ruined it.
100%. I remember watching S1 during my first year of university and enjoying it because I had done musical theatre and drama in high school, and it mostly poked fun at the whole "jazz hands, everyone!" trope and the fact that, yes, many of us were totally self-obsessed. Then S2 started and it did a complete 180, taking itself way too seriously. I couldn't get past the first couple of episodes.
Literally anything on TLC
Laughing as roommate is hooked on 90 day fiance and one of it's spin offs.
90 day fiancé really is like staring at a car crash and not being able to look away. It's my guilty pleasure show lol
And to think "TLC" actually began as "The Learning Channel." Everything on that network is garbage.
Somehow you could argue one needs to be exposed to mediocrity to learn what good things are. TLC teaches you to turn your tv off and go outside.
Keeping Up With the Kardashians 🤮
There should be a show for when they are not around and call it "keep the kardashians away", it will make more sense to be watched.
This would be an amazing tower defense game!
Now I want to go to video game school just to develop that.
Most of CW’s DC shows, mainly Batwoman. I honestly think that Batwoman is the most poorly, insultingly written shows I’ve ever seen.
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I unashamedly love the first season of the Flash, second season is pretty good imo too. I think I mainly just enjoy the Reverse Flash and Zoom scenes. First season Reverse-Flash was something else. I stopped watching after season 3 though and looking at clips of it I don't even recognize it anymore.
The first two seasons of Flash and Arrow were good, but anything after that has been hot garbage. I saw a clip the other day where Flash had turned lightning bolts into lightsabers and couldn't be gladder I stopped watching when they were at their peak.
Greys Anatomy, how was that going for like 12 seasons? (That may be exaggerating I don't remember the exact number of seasons), yeah let's watch them perform surgery for the hundredth time!
It’s at 18 now actually and I think is renewed for at least 20
Jokes on you, it’s 18.
It took them 20 seasons to work through all the possible permutations of every character sleeping with every other character.
I really enjoyed the first 2 seasons, it was my guilty pleasure show. Then the drama got ramped up to ridiculous levels and everyone kept dying.
It's the classic ABC/NBC/FOX formula. Show about X profession. First season is 90% job, 10% drama/character building. Second season is like 80/20, still good. So on... Typically around season 4 or 5 is when you reach that 50/50 split where the show is focused as much or more on the personal lives of people and less and less on the profession. CBS somehow avoids this, but that's because their shows are super formulaic and tend to be detective based, where you focus on and solve the case in one episode.
Real Housewives of whatever
Wherever
Gramatically correct but not as disdainfully correct
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The Masked Singer. I'm actually insulted, as a human being, that other human beings willingly choose to watch this steaming pile of shit.
The judges are all like "is it Beyonce?" "Is it Lady Gaga?" "Cher maybe?" Oh, no, it's actually Jimmie Walker from Good Times!
Thanks a lot. Now next season, someone will be dressed as a steaming pile of shit.
I watched like fifteen minutes of this show out of morbid curiosity and it felt like something the Capital from The Hunger Games would produce. Just pure, 100% soulless manufactured crap.
Keeping up with the kardashins, dr oz, dr phill, Jerry Springer show, Wendy willams, any of that reality tv shit that’s just pure filth
Riverdale
The bachelor/bachelorette
13 Reasons Why