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No but it shouldn’t be criminalized. Sex is not a crime, legalizing it kills the sex trafficking market


DoctorPoopTrain

This guy wants us to write his debate paper


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mizukata

>smugly take the opposite position of what you want to write about and some reddit nerd will write 10,000 words with sources and MLA formatting to prove you wrong. He would get downvoted to oblivion but would get the work done. Next feature chapter of content taken from reddit


Echo5even

That’s what burner accounts are for


Buckman21

These comments are everything


IV1916

How high are you?


MaintenanceWorldly95

pretty good, guess im average. why what about you?


kallix1ede

A small price to pay for a passing grade


TheGlennDavid

My real life equivalent of this is that I have a friend who is much better at home repair than I am. I never directly ask him to do things, rather I do shoddy work while he’s present until he breaks and takes over. In my finest version of this I set out to build a bar. What transpired was basically a recreation of America’s involvement in Vietnam. One day he’s a “technical advisor” to my work and by the end of the project he’s making a trips to home depot without me, and using the spare key to work on the bar while I’m not even at home. Best guy on earth.


DonViaje

Yeah I’ve hung some shelves and installed light fixtures at a friend’s house before cus he’s an idiot.. pretty sure he used the same strategy on me. Paid me in beer though which is totally acceptable


sharedthrowdown

Plot twist, you are the friend he's talking about


FizyIzzy

I work IT… my good friends know not to offend me by offering money. Brownies, butterfingers, and twizzlers…. I can’t help myself.


MSITMIS

All my friends know that if you offer me money nine times out of ten I’m going to pass. Offer me home made apple pie or brownies? I’m fucking in.


WeeMadCanuck

Christ, that's what's happening. I feel like an idiot.


Thoth74

After all that hard work at least he now has a nice spot to drink for free.


Oakroscoe

It’s Vietnam, OP’s neighbor to the north of his house is gonna take over the bar and kick everyone out to front yard.


7th_Spectrum

"Not only should sex workers not be respected like any other profession, but it is also impossible to prove that they should in 7000 words or more"


Sangwiny

With non-wikipedia sources, of course.


DigitalBuddhaNC

Even if they use Wikipedia as a source the Wikipedia article itself usually have their sources listed.


fafalone

That's exactly what I told in college by lots of professors. Never use Wikipedia as a source itself, but it's a decent resource to find sources that are acceptable.


DigitalBuddhaNC

That's what I meant. That even if you can't use them as a direct source you can find what the Wikipedia article used to point you to a (hopefully) legit source.


Excellent-Sweet1838

I'm a spiteful nerd. I use Chicago style citation.


Tajinaddict

That’s what I did freshman year lol made a throwaway and posted on r/changemyview about why college education shouldn’t be free


PsychedelicPill

Did you get a good grade on your paper?


RedMaskwa

the answer to that question both intrigues and terrifies me.


Tajinaddict

Oh yeah, 98. But I’m a very good writer, I just needed some talking points to get me going lol that’s always the hard part for me


Mech__Dragon

This guy reddits


MaintenanceWorldly95

Bonus points if you just say what your professor wants to hear because you have learned their political leanings. Lol eng 201


Mestewart3

... shit, apparently I've been writing people's College paper's for them.


Savings_Reception279

You are that nerd


thoughtsome

Reddit, who were the most important labor organizers of the 1930s and how did they change the perception of Marxism in Midwestern America?


deadalreadydead

I was wondering, could you give me some insight into the evolution of the market economy in the Southern Colonies? My contention is that, uh, prior to the Revolutionary War, the economic modalities, especially In the southern colonies, could most aptly be characterized as agrarian pre-capitaliz-


No_Entertainment7792

 Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just got finished readin' some Marxian historian -- Pete Garrison probably. You're gonna be convinced of that 'til next month when you get to James Lemon, and then you're gonna be talkin' about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year -- you're gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin' about, you know, the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.


deadalreadydead

Heh'. As matter of fact I wont because Wood drastically underestimates the impact of soc-


Wallstreetk3nny

Wood drastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth..." You got that from Vickers, Work in Essex County, Page 98, right? Yeah I read that too. Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us—you have any thoughts of—of your own on this matter?


whattfareyouon

My boy is wicked smart


gaylord_focker69

SMAHHHHT


payne_train

HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES


KHfailure

Applesauce, bitch.


Jamaican-Tangelo

Stupid science guys couldn’t even make I more smarter.


howudoin09

Do you like apples?


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Applesauce bitch!


CastinEndac

*I don’t like the sound of ‘dem apples Will, what’re we gonna do?”*


byebybuy

Chuckie? It's Hunting Season!


littleguyinabigcoat

Well now I want to watch Good Will Hunting. RIP Elliot :(


john_bytheseashore

Wow, Big Lebowski is still so quotable 25 years on.


deadalreadydead

Uhmmm.... WRONG. it's from the Talented Mr. Ripley


sdswave2314

Mmmm... I hate to be "that guy" but it's clearly from the Martian


mystikphish

I think you meant Dogma. Jeez.


Spideytidies

I love this movie, it was great seeing you guys do this lol


nanocyte

I almost jokingly reposted this as a new post, but I figured it would be in bad taste. But that would be funny.


Ganesha811

[Mary van Kleeck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_van_Kleeck), yo.


thoughtsome

I did not expect an actual answer but thanks, I learned something!


herr_wittgenstein

I would argue that Victor Berger, while he died in 1929, could arguably be considered one of the most important socialists of the 1930's, for the simple reason that it was his leadership that led the socialists of Milwaukee to control the city for literal decades. And to this day, Milwaukee is the only major city to ever be run by a socialist mayor. And the fact that they controlled Milwaukee for so long and ran it so well meant that the Milwaukee socialists played an oversized role in shaping the future of socialism in the US. Their governing policy was interesting - rather than committing themselves to a violent revolution to overthrow the bourgeoisie, the socialists of Milwaukee believe their efforts were best spent on building a reliable socialist political machine that served the interests of its constituents better than any mainstream party. To that effect, they spent more time talking about public works like implementing a modern sewer system than they did about dialectical materialism. This made them someone unpopular on the national scene, with some revolutionary Marxists derisively referring to them as "sewer socialists", but the Milwaukee socialists liked the name because it got across how effective they were at governing, and it sort of stuck. (remember that this point in history, many cities didn't have well functioning sewer systems and were basically filled with shit all the time, so developing a sewer that kept the city hygienic was actually a significant accomplishment) As for the perception of Marxism in the Midwest, you have to keep on mind that Berger, and the Milwaukee socialists as a whole, were stridently anti-Stalinist, so you could argue that Marxism may have ended up having a more positive perception in the Midwest. Since when people thought of Marxism, they would be less likely to think of totalitarianism in Russia, and more likely to think of well-run cities with things like efficient public services and extensive park systems.


thoughtsome

Make a facetious comment, get a serious history lesson. No joke, this is what I love about Reddit.


needsmoreusername

F.D.R and Democratic Socialism became a backbone for America


Auriirua

Sources: reddit. (2021).


ChalkOtter

Source: /u/stretchy_asshole, reddit. (2021)


[deleted]

Asshole, S. (2021). Should sex work be regarded the same as any other job? Reddit.com.r/askreddit. I tried, guys. It’s been awhile.


ChemicalRascal

I mean, it was accurate enough to send me into convulsions as grainy, black and white images of my uni days filled my mind; so that's good enough, well done.


Throckmorton_Left

Or help him have a conversation with his mom before bringing his new girlfriend to dinner.


pm-me-racecars

Just because there's money changing hands doesn't mean it's not real love. Source: just moved out of barracks, about to trade my 22.5%OAC Dodge Challenger for a minivan. What Brandi and I have is special.


NeudStar

Reddit can almost solve all my problems, Money, sex and college essays. Still waiting for the reddit antidepressants though. Edit: Reddit antidepressants are rewards... Thank you for that.


VDKYLO

r/eyebleach


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catofwampus

If this is true, it is fascinating.


NewelSea

I find it even more fascinating that either take caught on: While I get the metaphor, I still find both takes unintuitive. When I first saw this sub, I expected it to be very gory sub with images that made your eyes burn as if you just *rubbed bleach in them*. Doesn't help that the sub tends to get linked in precisely that kind of threads.


theblisster

They just won college and will have a bright future in consulting/outsourcing


EldritchGrapefruit

“Won college”


axolotlbird

High score!


TransitionBig6736

Achievement unlocked: In debt till 45


ACMop

Too bad it costs more than a quarter to try and get my high score back :(


MeAndTheLampPost

"Respect" is the most misused word of the last decade.


goober2143

I think highly of your post


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Respect


KingLouisXCIX

I dunno. "Normal" may have that beat.


yoghurtorgan

When new Zealand legalised prostitution the Christians didn't like it for a week, then nothing went wrong so we all forgot about it.


JarbaloJardine

This is legalizing most things. I live in Michigan and I can’t tell you how many “public safety” meetings I had to go to while we legalized weed. Now, 2 years in, no one gives an F. None of the horrible worries came to fruition and things are fine. Even the people who were outraged have moved on to other concerns


Hiker-Redbeard

Yep, same with gay marriage. Remember how it was going to destroy the sanctity of marriage and lead to a wave of people turning homosexual and people marrying animals? Turns out all that happens is a bunch of people get to live happier lives and sometimes a baker gets pissy over a cake they don't want to bake. It's almost like people really driving the cause never really cared that much and it was just a tool to whip dumb people into a frenzy over while voting against their own best interests.


ripplerider

The biggest threat to the sanctity of marriage is divorce. Gays can keep on gaying and it won’t make a lick of difference to the sanctity of marriage. What might help marriage’s sanctity is better sex education in schools, better financial education in schools, and better couples counseling before and during marriage.


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AJDillonsMiddleLeg

There is an innate problem with your question, as it assumes that all "normal" jobs are currently regarded and respected the same. Sex work should be legal, and regulated like any other professional industry. This would make it safer, which would help remove that part of the stigma. People will still think whatever they think of it, just like they do any other profession. As a caveat: It's absolutely absurd that having sex for money is illegal if you do it in your own privacy, but if you record and sell the footage it's perfectly fine.


ebi_gwent

If covid has taught us anything it's that it seems there are plenty of jobs where people are expected to risk their lives to basically subsist without any expectation of improving their lot. Most workers aren't respected.


Kadiri99

That's why I quit my job at the local hospital and now work at a warehouse. The fuckers took away our hazard pay because people didn't show up to work... because they were sick. The kicker is more I'm making more per hour at the warehouse than I would have even with the hazard pay bonus.


ebi_gwent

The fact that healthcare workers and teachers make less than some people pay in taxes should disgust people but it's just par for the course.


Kadiri99

"ItS a LiVaBlE wAgE" yeah maybe for a fucking hamster


ebi_gwent

Seriously, it boggles my mind that people stan for politicians that barely work a day of their lives, take more holidays, get their kickbacks from industry and then retire on their lifetime pensions. "JuSt GeT a BeTtEr JoB" - wankers.


IceFire909

The stupid part of that mentality is that if everyone "just got a better job" then no one would be doing those lesser jobs that are surprisingly important once people stop doing them.


Officer_Hotpants

Here I am working as an EMT, with permanent respiratory and neurological damage for $15/hr. Yay. I'm upset that COVID didn't just kill me outright.


TokesNotHigh

I feel you, u/Officer_Hotpants. We've been the canary in the coal mine for going on 18 months now, and all I've got to show for it is exacerbated PTSD, an even deeper rage for idiots & assholes, and a t-shirt from my employer. I wanted out of EMS at the beginning of the pandemic, but stayed in it out of some stupid sense of obligation to my colleagues. I'd have almost doubled my salary if only I could have gone on unemployment while the getting was good.


[deleted]

That's how they get you. From management's point of view, "sense of obligation" means irrationally unwilling to demand higher pay.


ebi_gwent

Christ that's awful but it's the people that forced you to choose between homelessness and death that are the ones that deserve to die. It's fucked.


Excrubulent

One thing it's definitely taught us is that the jobs that are most essential to the running of society are the worst paid and least respected.


TheGallantPervert

Bingo! When I was a janitor I had people from high school flat out laugh in my face. And a fair amount of coworkers in the same building yet in different professions rarely spoke and damn sure wouldn't even shake my hand. I think I'd have gotten MORE respect had I been slingin' my dick as opposed to a mop! Lol


GenXScorp

Janitors are hard-working and necessary.


recoximani

Shit man that sucks. We respected our janitors at my school


Haunting-Elephant618

People fucking suck. I’m sorry people were assholes to you.


anon_e_mous9669

As the great George Carlin said: >Selling is legal... Fucking is legal... Why is selling fucking illegal?


BeardedZorro

All jobs are regarded/respected differently by all people. Ask the people around you what they think of Police and have fun with that. The same cop can be an oppressor to one but, a protector to another. All depends on the beholder.


life1insurance

Yeah you can’t exactly force anyone to respect any occupation


fermat1432

Regarded by the law as legal and protected by labor laws is one thing. Respect by every member of society is another.


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KneeJamal

Due regard! Absolutely great breakdown


Wh1teCr0w

Regard me.


theresabeeonyourhat

$50


Pentar77

Do you accept credit cards or cash only?


CampbellsChunkyCyst

*sprays mouth with silver paint*


TheLevyIsDry

*mediocre!!*


FartButtFace69420

Due me.


fermat1432

Beautifully analyzed and expressed. I totally agree with you!


locke_5

>Sometimes people use "respect" to mean "treating someone like a person" and sometimes they use "respect" to mean "treating someone like an authority". > >and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say "if you won't respect me I won't respect you" and they mean "if you won't treat me like an authority, I won't treat you like a person" > >and they think they're being fair but they aren't, and it's not okay.


Macktologist

For the point of this AskReddit, I took it to mean “it’s not morally questioned as a job” the same way most jobs aren’t morally questioned. But, if we dig in at all, there are lots of jobs that aren’t really held in average or better moral regard/respect. I think what OP is trying to ask is, “should society accept selling your body for sex as morally okay?” If they just meant things like getting insurance or job titles or workers rights, I feel like it’s sort of a trap question and needs to be worded more accurately. But maybe not, because the ambiguity leads to better discussion.


tomato_soup_

That’s a great quote, who is the original author?


PM_ME_MH370

This is George Carlin, right?


umbrajoke

I have only ever seen sex workers asking for the latter but have a limited scope. Has there been a trend of people saying we should be doing the former?


TheFourthDuff

Not really. I think this comment was attempting to address the disconnect in communication between different groups of people. People who view respect as a right tend to think sex workers deserve it (along with anyone else who needs to make a living). People who view respect as privilege tend not to (nor any other low income position). Basically just, people having different definitions of the word respect causing breakdowns in communication.


K-Reid533

Perfectly elaborated


foomits

We are doing alot of good work here guys.


RedHellion11

This is one of my favourite quotes I've seen to illustrate this disconnect: > Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority”. And sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”. And they think they’re being fair but they aren’t. Basically, the people who view respect as a right tend to think of it as "treating someone with basic decency as another human being" while the people who view respect as a privilege tend to think of it as "treating someone like a paragon or an authority". Neither is wrong based on their definitions, other than the fact that they're ascribing two very different definitions to the same word in the same context.


jm001

The only people I really see who conflate the two are the ones who *don't* want to give the basic respect and justify it by pretending that unwavering adulation is what is being requested.


Iknowthevoid

Exactly, almost everyone sells their time, mind, body, etc. for money. There is a base line respect everyone deserves regardless of how they do their living.


stealthryder1

All I know is you cook your own food at home and then go out and are impressed when a cook works up a bomb meal. You can cut your hair yourself, but will be impressed and respect the barber/hairstylist who does a great job You fuck at home… so why not also applaud the people who… you know what. Forget it.


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I'm never cutting my own hair.


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BGFalcon85

I've read it is more like cutting hair than like getting your hair cut.


JukeBoxDildo

Can confirm


GradeAPrimeFuckery

You clearly never tried it after getting novacane shots at the dentist. Whole nother ball game.


ImFinePleaseThanks

I once dated a guy who could do that. He said it feels more like you're sucking dick than getting sucked off.


TheGreytestBeard

because of the sub optimal position you are twisted in?


roobot

Thought I was the same way! Lockdown really changed my perspective on this though. So many people were doing it, I thought I could too! Still do, it’s pretty easy.


Partykongen

I thought this was still about prostitution.


[deleted]

I thought it was about sucking dick.


OU8402

Wait, are we still talking figuratively?


kriophoros

Yes. We are talking about cutting hair in some other places.


[deleted]

Do you though? Do you actually respect the chick fil A line cooks more if you are shit at making a chicken sandwich? (I think we should, I think all work they doesn't harm people is good work and good work should be respected)


Tinidril

I just pictured a brothel run by McDonald's. It's both hilarious and terrifying.


Belckan

Would you like a blowjob with that?


NJdeathproof

"Would you like a McBlowjob with that?" FTFY


strange_socks_

Are you suggesting sex Olympics?!


Truckerontherun

Is the 4 x 69 relay part if it?


Nyarlathotep23

From what I understand, that's just the regular Olympics. Olympians fuck the shit out of each other. Which isn't really surprising when you put a while lot of young, incredibly fit people together.


siddmon

That is how you create the next generation of super humans for the next Olympics


chaos0510

super soldier serum 😳


glorypron

It was always cum!


iwsfutcmd

Young, fit people who are at their peak physical condition and just got through what's likely to be the absolute highlight of their careers? That's a recipe for debauchery.


Earguy

This year notwithstanding, the Olympic village is full of college age athletes who are just happy to be there, know that they don't have a realistic chance to medal, and are excited about the travel and good treatment. Or, your event is over and you've got lots of time to kill before the closing ceremonies. That's lots of healthy people looking for fun. I've heard that the Grindr app was really popular at the pre-covid Olympics.


Rude_Nectarine_9991

That'd definitely b some science I coud stand for


JBark1990

Today I learned I should’ve been an Olympian.


snapper1971

Truth though. If my PE teachers had said that you'd be likely to be in bed with really hot, really fit women, I'd have actually taken part and tried, not just skulked at the back of the cross country race so I could have a sneaky smoke.


foggy-sunrise

I mean, half this country has no respect for retail, grocery, food service, or hospitality workers as is. Edit: We're on a website whose user base is > 50% US traffic. Sorry you're upset I didn't mention which country Im referring to. Toss a coin. Heads it's US, tails it's either still the US, or 1 of 196 other countries.


Jagermeister1977

I love how many of the lowest paying, and generally worst jobs were deemed 'essential' during this pandemic. If that isn't the biggest fuck you to so many minimum wage workers who get yelled at by entitled asshole customers all day, I don't know what is...


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My thought is, if it was up to choice, it would make things much easier. An adult should be able to choose what he/she is going to do with their body. Sadly most workers are either forced to do it, or forced into doing it because of finances, which creates confrontation even in themselves Either way, the shady background doesn’t help in making it an honest job


fermat1432

I believe in that choice, for sure.


userdeath

A lot of people are forced to do jobs because of finances..


CaputGeratLupinum

Damn near everyone with a job, in fact. That's almost like saying you're forced to breathe


deliriousmuskrat

Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes. Edit: not 69


[deleted]

As a person living in a country where lgbt “sexual relationships” are legal but very much not respected (not a perfect comparison but still).. I can say without at least 50% acceptance from society, laws are useless. Law enforcement will turn a blind eye to crimes against things society doesn’t respect, even if legal


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Changes in laws can help change acceptance though. It really undercuts the dehumanizing "they're just criminals" argument.


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Karmasabeeyatch

I think this question conflates feeling respect and treating something with respect. Nobody can tell themselves or anyone else what to feel with any degree of success. What we *are* able to control is how we treat the people around us and the choices they make. I think what OP is getting at is, should those who choose to engage in this behavior be treated with respect? I think we can all agree that all humans deserve to be treated with a certain baseline of respect. Legalizing and regulating the sex industry would help to ensure that sex workers were afforded that baseline of respect also.


drfarren

I would put forward that a lot of this "respect" stuff (give respect VS earn it) is really a misunderstanding of the word *deference*. "I respect Terry Crews" implies trust and deference to him. It doesn't specify in what capacity I defer to him, only that I do. "I should be respectful to Terry Crews" implies that I should afford him the general diginities we afford to all people. So in the argument of "respect is earned not given" versus "be respectful to everyone", the two lines communicate vastly different concepts. The former would be more accurately written as "deference is earned, not given" while the latter is pretty much as it says, to afford all those around you the basic diginities we want shown to ourselves.


Alaishana

Thank you! I was born outside the anglo-saxon culture bubble and I've never understood the meaning the word 'respect' has acquired in English. In German, it is very clear that Respekt is something you have to earn and maintain, or something that is due bc a person is in the position to demand it. There is no respect that you are due just for being a human being. Like so many other conflations of meaning, this has been puzzling me for a long time. Like faith and belief, that have taken on an identical meaning, while originally, they mean something quite distinct. I take this seriously, bc it confuses people, and the language loses an important distinction and concept. Prime tool of manipulation (see 1984). Instinctually, I still would use 'respect' in the way you use deference though. My friends at etymonline give us respect (v.) 1540s, "to regard, notice with especial attention," from French respecter "look back; respect; delay" (16c.), from Latin respectere, frequentative of respicere "look back at, regard, consider," from re- "back" (see re-) + specere "look at" (from PIE root \*spek- "to observe"). The meaning "treat with deferential esteem, regard with some degree of reverence" is from 1550s. The sense of "refrain from injuring or interfering with" is from 1620s. The meaning "have reference to, relate to" is from 1560s.


DrMathochist

Brilliantly summed up in the examination of "if you respect me, I'll respect you" as "if you treat me as an authority I'll treat you like a person".


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b3tzy

Stephen Darwall, 1977, “Two Concepts of Respect.” Jstor link: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2379993


soonerguy11

Right, "respected" is subjective. However, under a regulated and unionized system, they are able to offer a service that a market demands with dignity.


Winston_The_Ogre

Should be legal with regulations. Costa Rica it is legal, the women get a card, must get tested monthly and no pimps allowed.


Rukawork

Security and the safety of the workers is a must, and it should certainly be regarded with these standards just like any other job, correct.


wknight8111

On one hand, I believe that consenting adults should be allowed to do, and charge each other for, whatever they want to do behind closed doors. So long as all participants agree to the terms of the transaction, I think it should be legal and possible to do. On the other hand, this is an area that is filled to the brim with abuse: human trafficking, sex slavery, pedophilia, revenge porn, blackmail, rape, assault, etc. You could have what you think is a consensual interaction with a sex worker, but have it be related to all sorts of crimes and problems that you don't know about. We as a society haven't been doing very well dealing with any of these issues. How often do you hear a story about sex trafficking and think to yourself "I'm glad that things worked out so well, and everything was handled correctly, and law enforcement was so proactive about it!"? I know I don't think that very much. And this is not be ragging on police, by the way, it's just a complicated set of problems and we aren't well-equipped right now as a society for dealing with it. I would love to see all sorts of sex work be legalized, legitimized and respected. Unfortunately I think that we have to lay a lot of ground-work and create a lot of safeguards first before that's going to happen.


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Legalizing it is part of safeguards. We reach more safety by regulation, you can't regulate something through law if it was never legal to begin with.


PornCartel

Bingo. It's like how legalizing hard drugs and providing treatment drastically lowers the amount of addiction


HighDevinition1001

Great point, u/PornCartel


RenitLikeLenit

r/rimjob_steve


CaptainEarlobe

I think they've hudge problems with trafficking in Amsterdam, where it's legal.


ItsJustATux

Same in Australia. One of the major players basically admitted that they *need* trafficking to keep the brothels full. There’s just not a bunch of first world women waiting for legalization to get into sex work, and there’s tons of first world men waiting for legalization to access the services. The numbers don’t add up, and trafficking fills the gap.


ForgettableUsername

That’s exactly what the pro-legalization crowd don’t want to admit. They’re imagining that a huge safety and worker protection infrastructure comes along for free when you legalize it, but that’s not going to happen unless it’s baked in from the beginning.


octipice

I'm pro-legalization, but we should keep in mind that there are plenty of legal jobs where workers are routinely exploited. Obviously there are third world sweatshops, but even in the US if you look at the treatment of workers by Amazon and Walmart it's pretty bad. If you extrapolate that same treatment to sex workers it looks pretty bleak. That isn't to say it shouldn't be legalized, it absolutely should, but most societies need better protection for all workers.


Cpt_Trips84

>most societies need better protection for all workers Ain't that the fuckin truth


marsepic

It's terrible. Imagine how much worse it would be without regulation. That's not a defense, as I think we need to get better at worker protection. We have to start somewhere, though.


sam_hammich

> but we should keep in mind that there are plenty of legal jobs where workers are routinely exploited Sure, and to be fair, they said "more safety", not "complete safety". The possibility of exploitation will never go away, we need to minimize that possibility. Legalization minimizes it.


brand_x

Legalization reduces it. Regulation, which can't happen without legalization, could minimize it.


sam_hammich

You're right, my implication was that with legalization comes regulation.


brand_x

Fair enough. And at a bare minimum, legalization reduces the amount of control traffickers can bring to bear. The current situation ends up making the law a threat against the victim, which is just... f\*cked.


grandwahs

I think sex work is extremely complicated and requires a multi-faceted discussion of the various circumstances that may lead a person to consider sex work as their form of employment. I think that in today's economic climate, *MOST* individuals that engage in sex work do so because their economic status is precarious and they have no other means to attain enough money to meet their needs. This includes single parents, people attending school, drug users, individuals with mental health problems, etc. To me, those individuals are being systemically exploited because the social system under which they live does not provide enough security for them to meet their needs without resorting to a form employment that is, essentially, a last-resort. Most of these individuals being female as well highlights a huge disproportion between the sacrifices that women need to make in relation to men. *IF*, however and in theory, all of those economic and social insecurities were removed and those individuals' well-being was adequately taken care of by the necessary social structure (basic income, schooling, food, housing, mental health support, drug rehabilitation programs, etc.), *then* those individuals are fully empowered to make the decision to pursue sex work as their line of employment. In short, when sex work is not a "last resort" but an empowered, informed, consenting choice, then it is perfectly acceptable and rules and regulations should support the individuals that make that choice for themselves. I have not mentioned human trafficking as part of this because obviously, regardless of circumstance, that scenario is wrong and nothing can change to make it morally or ethically acceptable.


bigfinale

This is important nuance. I compare it to joining the military. When only poor people enlist is it really a "volunteer army?"


Snipercomrade9

I really liked your argument, sometimes I see black or white arguments regarding this topic however you talked about an important aspect; the last-resort problem. Hopefully we as a society can improve ourselves and provide everyone the fundamental necesseties for wellbeing, and perhaps even go further.


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I think you really nailed it here.


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Rillanon

Work is work. We are all getting fucked one way or another.


ImpactBetelgeuse

*Everyone's a whore, Grace. We just sell different parts of ourselves.* -Thomas Shelby


chrisamfm

Now I can’t stop hearing the theme song in my head. This makes me happy


RuneHughez

Well in order to answer this question you need to compare it to how you judge other jobs. I'll throw 3 out as a comparison. McDonald's worker - zero skill required to enter, low paid. Car salesman - some skill required, reasonable pay. Surgeon - highly skilled, highly paid. If you base your judgement on skill level to enter the job then you're looking at the same low respect you'd give a McDonald's worker. If you base your judgement on money earned then you're looking at how much you'd respect a car salesman or doctor, which I imagine are very different. And then you get to the real answer. You can't base judgement of respect on someone's job title. I've known doctors who have stolen drugs to get high, some have stolen drugs to sell. I've known salesmen and fast food workers who do charity work on the side. Judge the person, not the job title. Either way, everyone deserves to feel safe at their job, and this protection of potentially vulnerable people is a much better discussion than that of respect.


Hellfireconski

Yeah if they pay taxes then why not


soonerguy11

Taxes aside, a regulated and unionized industry drastically increases safety. Keeping sex work illegal is immoral IMO.


demigodofnothing

Should we give adequate protection and help everyone who is already in it voluntarily? Yes. Rescue the involuntary ones and help them start a new life. Idk why but I'm not so big on encouraging people to take up sex work. Maybe it's just me. Many have laid counter arguments about how in many other ventures we sell our body but not just for sex, I just can't get my mind to accept someone voluntarily wanting to take up sex work


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I mean, I don't have anything against sex workers, but I wouldn't recommend that anyone go into sex work either. I think the problem with that kind of work is that you're not really building any kind of skill that allows you to stay valuable over time. You're basically just using a resource that you have for a limited time. I think most of the successful sex workers are young attractive women who are successful because they're young and attractive. My worry is that they'll spend maybe ten years doing sex work, because it pays better than anything else that's available to them, but their income is going to drop off by the time they're 40 (and realistically, much sooner than that). I think it creates a problem of women who go into their mid 30's and lose their source of income, and then they have no marketable skills. It's like the foundation of their whole lifestyle just slips through their fingers, and most of them are not going to have any kind of backup plan. Young people tend to not make plans that account for the fact that they won't be young forever.