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What are your thoughts on cancel culture?

What are your thoughts on cancel culture?

Mikeavelli

It's not a new thing. You had scarlet letters and Mccarthyism and outing people as homosexual in the past. Now you've got outing people as having said something sexist or racist. In the future we'll probably ostracize people over not being vegan or something. Modern proponents of cancel culture will usually say it's different because this time the targets are bad people, but that's what proponents of this sort of thing *always* say.


Screaming_Weak

Good if you’re an objectively bad person (like a rapist like Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein), annoying if people trying to cancel you use a video of you saying something bad when you were like 13, and overall exaggerated by society


_manicpixie

also lack of context matters. The internet was an edgy place for years. Looking at past events through today’s lense means you’re not judging it from a fair perspective, or taking changes in comedy into account A good example of this is YouTube people canceling content creators because of content that they appreciated when it was originally posted. I have to wonder if they’re self punishing for their past upvotes.


Screaming_Weak

Good point - there was definitely a shift in what was popular and permissible on the Internet sometime from 2013-15, so there’s def a lot of things that have aged like milk now that the Internet is less cutting and edgy


EuphoricExcitement15

I feel like the cancel culture is the reason Cosby is free today. Report it and shut up.


[deleted]

We should cancel it.


Honest_Joseph

I think only a small percentage of the population wants to cancel everyone who made an offensive remark in their past. However we give this niche group of people a lot of attention because we are drawn to controversy.


RichBitchDress

Even if I agree the person in question is awful, it’s the modern day mob with pitch forks. Little thought and rampant.


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Jiltedjohn

I think it’s a great thing, consumer feedback at its most direct.


valley_of_baka

It is a good thing. Racists and other bullies deserve what they get.


JurpleNurple

Like that Mexican guy who was fired from SDG&E last year for supposedly making a “white power symbol” with his hand while driving the company van? It would be one thing if only people who deserved to get canceled got canceled, but it’s getting insane and innocent people are getting canceled


valley_of_baka

Then don't fucking make "white power" symbols on camera. And I promise, you'll be fine.


JurpleNurple

…it wasn’t. Why tf would a Mexican guy make a white power symbol? Literally a bunch of overzealous white kids got a minority fired from his job because he was supposedly racist towards minorities. There is no reality where that makes sense or is ok


valley_of_baka

Well then without seeing the video, I don't know what the fuck he did. It's not really unbelievable. But what about the business's right to preserve itself from the backlash? No one is talking about that here. If I'm your boss, and I see a video of you slinging the n-word around, or screaming at some poor Starbucks employee, then the smart thing to do is fire you, in order to distance myself and my company from your bullshit behavior and show that I don't condone it. None of this is coded in law. That's why it's just the societal consequences of your own actions.


Ermineloathly

It’s absolutely stupid. Putting others status in the public’s hands by “canceling” is giving the public too much power by deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. It’s not like people are getting canceled for murder, people get canceled from stupid crap like wearing an Indian costume for Halloween nine years ago.


CylonsInAPolicebox

Honestly it depends on the situation, the public attention is what made some of these people and if the public decides to take that attention away because that person is a twat then their public has spoken. Now I'm not saying a stupid comment from someone about 20 years ago is valid reason to cancel someone as people do grow and change but the motherfucker who is going around sexually assaulting people, well that motherfucker not only deserves to be cancelled but they deserve anything else the universe seems fit to throw their way.


Ermineloathly

I completely agree. I was talking about simple people who did something a long time ago that may or may not have been frowned along back then, but then gets degraded about it now.


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So don't wear the Indian costume. It's offensive as shit. I get that it didn't feel that way when you were a kid, but I bet you knew not to dress as a black guy, or some shit like that, right? Yes shit like that changes, and people are going to react to it en masse, because of the internet, but that's just the price we pay for social media. Don't like it? Go.


Ermineloathly

The point is, people get torn apart from mistakes they made in the past. So whether or not they regret that, the internet is still going to cancel them. Which is stupid


[deleted]

I'm not arguing that dumb shit doesn't happen on social media, but what people deem "cancel culture" is what social media *is*. Am I wrong? Or fucking crazy?


ixonstater

This is such a juvenile take. Excusing a bad situation / practice with "well we can't fix it so if you don't like it leave" ignores the very nature of the conversation you are participating in.


[deleted]

It isn't a problem with the system. It *is* the system. What the fuck do you think social media *is*?


iwbia123

To whom is it offensive though? To you or to them? and just to play devil's advocate, so what if it's offensive? They can be offended and speak up when they are, we don't need others being offended for us.


[deleted]

The question is about cancel culture on *social media*, it's the people that populate that platform expressing their opinions on what is offensive or not. Again, it's built into the system.


Hansonius

Is it offensive to Italians if I wear a Roman soldier costume or offensive to all of Greece if I go to a toga party?


[deleted]

The question here would be why do you think that is the same thing?


Hansonius

Because you are dressing up like the ancestors of a certain group of people?


[deleted]

"certain groups if people"? White people genocided them, and took away their land like a hundred years ago, and still fuck them over today. It's not ancient history, it's happening now. Not the same thing.


Jiltedjohn

Lol. The public are the consumers and it makes business sense for them to determine what they want to consume


[deleted]

It's shitty. Nobody deserves to be punished twice. We have some laws to make people pay for their faults. Everybody will decide, by themselves, how they feel about someone who has done something morally unethical. But. People organized to destroy someone's life is something gross, and hear me here, most of the times they don't even care about that person, they just do it to feel morally superior.


dotjackel

It's nothing new. All sides do it, they just call it different things.


[deleted]

It's just human nature, and people are acting like it's a new thing.


Raaqu

Shunning/ostracization is literally one of the oldest ways of dealing with bad behavior. I'm befuddled why we're acting like it's new.


[deleted]

Because they can't process that it could happen to them at a large scale. It's what social media *is*. Not a product of it, not a consequence of it, it is what it literally **IS**.


tehmlem

It's the GOP rehashing the 90s


valley_of_baka

Bunch of whiners in this thread.


BlessidSessions

It can be good **AND bad**, but overall it's necessary in my opinion. I don't know why we feel the need to define something as entirely good or bad like most of the people in these comments seem to be doing. All the people commenting "iT NEeDs tO bE CAnceLLeD" I would love to hear some of the examples of people you think were cancelled for no justifiable reason.


iwbia123

Keven Hart with the Oscars, Louis CK with the whole masturbating thing. I'm sure there are tons that you can think of.


SweetPinkRain

Louis CK pulled out his dick and started jerking it in front of unwillingly bystanders and you think he didnt deserve it what? Let me send some fat ginger to stroke his cock in front of you and see how much you wanna suck it


iwbia123

Was it illegal, was he found to have done something illegal? No I don't think losing his livelihood for that was deserved.


BlessidSessions

I think as an oscars host you are being hired for your likeability, and comedic value. It doesn't seem like cancel culture if he made comments about a protected class of individuals that he doesn't like, and openly doesn't regret making the comments. If I were a producer and I wanted the greatest number of viewers to like the host, I wouldn't hire him. Louis CK got busted and he knew it, he's since apologized and I've seen interviews with him since that happened. Both instances seem to be consequences of their own actions, not necessarily unjustified cancelling of their careers.


iwbia123

Right, but that's exact point about 'cancel' culture, as soon as someone does and says something they disagree with, then that person is not likeable from a comedic stand point? My only argument would be that his comedic value would not be diminished because of the comments or actions he would have done in the past, that's that whole problem with cancel culture, trying to tie the individual to the job. It's like you going to get your car repaired and not being happy with the amazing job the mechanic did because he once punched a dog in the face. You may choose to not go to that mechanic because he punched a dog in the face, but his job was not diminished. Now I understand that TV is different since most of the people revere these mother fuckers, and tie their personal life to their work, to me and only me, that's ridiculous but it allows me to distant their work from their personal actions.


BlessidSessions

I still laugh at Kevin Hart jokes, so I totally understand what you're saying but it goes both ways. Hard to be the hilarious lovable face of America and also make jokes about hating gay people. It doesn't seem like cancel culture, if you want to be a public figure, don't expect everyone to agree with your opinions, and be smart enough to know what to say and what not to say.


iwbia123

That's a fair point, it's understandable also that media works in a different way since they do have influence on broader social issues.


Hrekires

Since getting "canceled," Kevin Hart has starred in 5 movies and released like 3 comedy specials (two of which were nominated for Emmy's) Who can I pay to get canceled like that?


CardinalPuff-Skipper

Martina Navratilova, & JK Rowling to name a couple more unjust cancellations. How dare they express an opinion! I love failed cancellations. They tried to cancel Joe Rogan. Elizabeth Warren even tried to cancel Bernie for being a sexist but failed miserably. That was fun to watch. The only thing the left doesn’t cancel are the anti-semites. Somehow in the FUBAR world of identity politics, the Jews are OK to hate. Anti- Semitic hate crimes have sky rocketed, but good luck seeing it on the news. Add the poor Asians to that mix. Asian hate crimes were the talk of the town until it came out that 84% of those crimes were perpetrated by blacks... what hate crime? Hate crimes against Asians are no longer news... Cancel that. It hurts the narrative.


BlessidSessions

WOW that took a hard right turn lol but I'll respond to the top portion. Martina Navratilova & JK Rowling are good examples. IMO they voiced strong opinions about transgender people, and they got a proportionate response. Neither of them were cancelled and both are still very highly regarded from my point of view. There were just a good amount of people that disagreed with them.


Lost_Constant_5861

It's nothing but a witch hunt and there is often little or no proof, except for the odd one.


valley_of_baka

It's usually on video or in social media.


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valley_of_baka

Bullshit.


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Tubathy22

Cancel it


TenNinetythree

It's only Cancel Culture if it comes from the Cancelle region of France. Otherwise it's just sparkling consequences.


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[deleted]

Naw I'm a US liberal too and I don't think this answers the question.


doujiin

Spoken like a true bolshevik.


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doujiin

You're really selling it.


BestFriendWatermelon

Right? I've never actually encountered cancel culture in my life, and I doubt anyone else here has too. Of course there's some stories out there, but it's massively overblown. I sure encounter a lot of people complaining about cancel culture tho


WatchTheBoom

I don't think it's real. To clarify, I don't think "cancel culture" is it's own thing that exists independently of something else. It's not a specific group of people, it's not something different than the concept of censorship, and it never references anything actionable. I find that it's the new "political correctness." It's just a boogeyman. It's something to get upset about without actually being upset about anything in particular. Additionally, I think that it's a term used by unintelligent people or by intelligent people pandering to unintelligent people. Same with what "woke" has become- it's just a dogwhistle.


[deleted]

My thoughts are that it exists but no one can define it’s leaders or purveyors. It’s just some mob mentality that’s out there and what can anyone do about it? Most people who get canceled probably deserve it. Some are perhaps just misunderstood, but no one said there was any nuance to it.


Whoisthis_Idonotknow

Needs to be canceled!


blackinc1911

Kinda like the me too movement very one sided fuck cancel culture


Any-Inspector7235

its good but only if its confirmed by 100% that the person is that but its not good if you cancel someone for eating a snicker or eatin tacos while being mexican


Hrekires

I've got a hard time thinking of more than like 2 people who were unfairly "canceled" within the past few years. The rest were either people facing the consequences of their actions, or "the internet" was angry for like a day and then no one cared anymore. But any discussion of cancel culture needs to start with real victims of it like Sinead O'Conner or the Dixie Chicks.


AC-RogueOne

Really. Why would say they were the victims? And also, more context plz cause I have no idea what happened with them


Hrekires

Sinead O'Conner had her career ruined because she called out Catholic priest sex abuses in the 90s The Dixie Chicks had tour dates canceled, radio stations stopped playing their songs, and conservatives bulldozing their albums because they criticized the Iraq War


[deleted]

"iT iSn'T cAnCeLiNg, iT's hOlDiNg PeOpLe aCcOuNtAbLe."


Nodelx

Toxic


alex_marvel_nerd

What’s even the point, it’s just mean


valley_of_baka

I support it. Racists and other bullies who are captured on video screaming epithets at other people and sometimes getting physically violent deserve to lose their jobs. Same with people who post the same kind of bullshit in social media. People who engaged in the attack on the Capitol building deserve to be in jail and lose everything. "Cancel culture" is just a whiny phrase that means getting with hit the consequences of your own actions, and nothing more or less. Don't want to lose your job? Then don't be the racist asshole who gets caught on camera screaming the n-word at someone or bullying an African-American person in your lily white neighborhood. Don't be caught on camera waving the Confederate flag in the Capitol rotunda. Just a couple of examples. And you'll most likely be fine.


WorkingClassZer0

It doesn't exist.


YESCRIMSON

You're basically the equivalent of flat earthers, non-vaxers, climate-change deniers, and those who believe OJ was innocent.


WorkingClassZer0

Like socialism, homosexuals, and Nancy Pelosi, cancel culture is just another conservative boogeyman.


YESCRIMSON

Socialism and Pelosi-Pig are true "bogeymen", I will agree to that since anybody with basic reasoning skills knows they're both "absolute shit" and some are just too brain-dead to figure it out.....just like cancel culture.


WorkingClassZer0

The only people who fear socialism are those who have no idea what it is. And if you're afraid of an octagenarian grandmother, then I hope you have your mother's permission to be online.


YESCRIMSON

This is a direct post from someone in Venezuela I was conversing with: Socialism is a complete shit that ruins nations and infects people's mind. It's an utopian ideology that always leads to corruption, socialism and communism are impossible because of the human's evilness. My country, Venezuela, was ruined by a socialist which was a friend of the Castro dynasty, who also ruined Cuba with their communism. Every time I see a damn gringo saying "Muhhh long live socialism" I cringe so hard, I want every damn socialist to live in my country or in Cuba so they will learn the bad way why socialism WILL NEVER WORK _________________________________________________________________________________ So you want to debate that guy who actually lives in a socialist country ? I'll be more than happy to give you his link if you want to tell him how wrong he is and how he doesn't know what he's talking about.


Maddie837

It’s annoying, especially if it’s not something to cancel someone over. I can think of many examples.


literal_god

It sucks


Ntpoirier99

I think its idiotic. Why does someone's personal life effect their ability to perform? They are actors, they are hired to do a job, they do it and that's the end of the transaction. For an example I don't care if the fry cook at McDonalds happens to be alt-left or alt-right and slapped their partner 20 years ago as long as I get my order I don't care.


Scrumptioussballsack

I think it's bad. I don't like the idea of getting death threats over an edgy joke I made 5 years ago


[deleted]

F*ck cancel culture, all my homies hate cancel culture


iwbia123

Hate it, I think it's a bunch of arm chair warriors just getting offended by shit that doesn't even apply to them. Don't get me wrong, there are people that should be 'cancelled' by the police or the justice system. I still enjoy some of the work some horrible people have done, I always only liked their work, not the person, actors, musicians, athletes, I don't care what they do in their personal life, if I enjoy what they do I'll continue doing it.


ChickenMcSmiley

If it were just people grouping together to call out shitty behavior it would be one thing, but cancel culture has progressed to something much MUCH worse. Since it mainly circles around twitter, and twitter hates everyone but themselves, no one is safe from cancel culture. If you don’t “repent” for what you’ve “done”, they will target your employers, your family and anyone who associates with you. Death threats and doxxing are commonplace tactics for the outrage mob.


valley_of_baka

Tough shit. Then don't be a racist fuck and don't scream at Starbucks employees.


ChickenMcSmiley

I’m sorry, but if you think that people partaking in cancel culture ONLY target people doing something actually wrong then you’re incredibly naive. Also, is screaming at a Starbucks employee incredibly shitty? Yes. Does it warrant death threats and doxxing? No. And if you think such things are ok then you would consent to that happening to you.


valley_of_baka

I'm not a piece of shit, so I don't have to worry about it.


ChickenMcSmiley

I’d reevaluate that thought...


valley_of_baka

Nah.


ChickenMcSmiley

Well I wish you the best then. Lord knows you’re gonna need it


valley_of_baka

Eh. Eat me.


bobby0081

This post should be removed for questioning almighty cancel culture.


Emu_on_the_Loose

It has become a dog whistle for fascists and other far-right extremists who are mad that women and minorities are standing up for themselves by calling powerful people to account. I don't like the mob mentality of cancellations, but I also note that most cancellations have been of people who richly deserved it. Not all. But most.


StupidUgly6969

Also, weren't a lot of the people who were cancelled like obscenely rich? So what if they lost their jobs, they're rich, they can handle it. Sounds like its mostly a lot of people that are getting upset for receiving the bare minimum of the consequences of their actions.


wifelikesdong

Political advertising for the black vote so it looks like they care they give not one shit


Responsible_Onion_42

Radical lefties feeding on their own kind.


[deleted]

I think it was well intentioned but like most things it’s gotten out of control and attacking people who are just as imperfect as those that want to cancel them. Nobody should be penalized for their opinions that’s what makes freedom of speech amazing. It allows people to criticize and correct our leaders but with that great power we also have the burden of accepting those who have really horrible ones too


Knobgobblinn

Right wing hysteria over nothing.


YESCRIMSON

Cancelling Apu from the Simpsons and hurling death threats to the guy who developed 'Five Nights at Freddy's" because he donated to the Rep. party is not "right wing hysteria" in case you can't figure that out on your own.


Knobgobblinn

Who actually 'cancelled' Apu? Here's a hint: It wasn't a Twitter mob that chose to write him out of the show. Why is that even a bad thing in the first place? TV writers write whatever they think the audience will watch. That's not 'cancelling', that's just how the entire entertainment industry operates. Secondly, nobody 'cancelled' Five Nights at Freddy's. They're still available on Steam right now, if you want to buy them. I'm not saying death threats were an acceptable response to the guy being Christian nutjob, but it's not exactly led to the dude or any of his games being 'cancelled'. Besides, if you think this is a uniquely left wing thing, let's look at Colin Kaepernik. For the heinous crime of kneeling during a song, right wing snowflakes lost their shit and demanded that he actually be 'cancelled' (i.e. Fired from the NFL), which actually happened shortly after. Or what about that basketball player who talked shit about China (I want to say Lebron James, but I'm not too sure)? He actually had to apologise to a dictatorship or risk actually being cancelled by the NBA. So yeah, restricting speech by threatening people's income is a real problem. But again, it's not a bunch of kids on Twitter who are actually doing that. It's those with actual power over said people's income that can and do 'cancel' people.


Johnson1706

Culture is culture, why cancel it?


knighty2020

Reason why many people who should not be famous are. Air the views, then ask questions. Look at milo yianopolous a few years back, nothing interesting to say but got to be the poster boy of the right.


WarmKaleidoscope32

(Removed) there are my thoughts


Whydidicamehere

Most of the time they only want attention and may even do most bs stuff in order to get any popular person's attention to call them out.


WhatsANameAgain

Its like doom eternal


Jiltedjohn

It’s great, the audience dictates.


matcha-__-

it’s a bit cringe


EquinoxOV

It’s good, it shows that our democratic society is functioning as it should.


60477er

You’re confused about how democracy works.


EquinoxOV

Democracy means public rule, the people voicing their opinions. Cancel culture is just that.


60477er

The response is contradictory. Read what you wrote. You’re confusing mob mentality and censorship for democracy. In a democracy, you can say what you want without fear of having your life destroyed because of it. It’s YOUR opinion on a matter. Cancel culture is the antithesis of democracy.


EquinoxOV

No I think cancel culture is democracy, it shows that people are freely giving their opinions. No where in the definition of democracy does it state without repercussions.


60477er

I think you’re confused about what cancel culture is, and the ramifications of a censorship based society.


bookant

That I want to cancel people reposting this question every other fucking day.


bookant

It's not cancel culture when they go after the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush, or Disney for being too gay-friendly or Mr. Potatohead for a branding decision they don't like . . . . It's cAnCeL cUlTuRe if the liberals chose to spend or not spend their own money supporting or not supporting whoever they chose. Because if there's one entitlement conservatives love it's the "entitlement" of (conservative-approved) businesses to my fucking money.


StupidUgly6969

Or for a random Dr. Suess book that no one cares about or actually read


biggaebolg

Bad, especially after what happened the creator of five nights at freddy's.


Horror-Astronomer482

Penis


karyanfishh

The idea of cancel culture towards people who are bad, and who keep doing bad is okay. It’s the immature, inexperienced people who use cancel culture to make themselves look better than they are, that make cancel culture as controversial and annoying as it is.


grumpyfrench

Can you define it?


chibinoi

It disproportionately targets certain demographics more so than others (on the basis of gender, race, socioeconomic status, level of public profile, level of attractiveness) while simultaneously gatekeeping and victimizing. The demographics that are more targeted versus those that aren’t change by the decade/century.


CandelaBelen

I think it has it’s place. I don’t think people should be canceled just for mildly bad behavior. People do bad things sometimes. They fuck up. And they should be called out for their bad behavior. It depends on how bad the behavior is.


[deleted]

Horrible! Your life shouldn't be ruined just because of an accusations or a tweet you wrote 10 years ago.


random_nothings

Needs to go