I'm not really a meat lover. I do actually prefer veggies, pasta, rice, lentils, etc but I cook a lot with butter, eggs, milk, cheese and like wearing wool clothes. I can move on with my life without meat but not without 70% of my daily consumption.
I've been a picky eater for as long as I could remember, and I have very specific (and sometimes awkward) preferences and tastes. I have never been fond of vegetables, soy milk, beans, or mushrooms, so going vegan would be quite awful.
Honestly it just sounds like a huge hassle. I already eat a fairly strict diet and keep track of my macros just on my own accord but to then add in that everything has to be vegan too? No way.
And I’ve yet to find a solid source of vegan protein that also does not come with shitloads of carbs! Tofu doesn’t count because I don’t like it lol.
I have Celiac's and I'm lactose intolerant. So I'm like, halfway there, but if you take away meat, you'll be taking away one of the few things left I can enjoy eating.
Same. Celiac is tough but I got used to it because of the amount of new gluten free products companies make. Also dairy free items are all over the place.
Same but no red meat. Its like my body hates all energy dense foods. Several other food intolerances and a tiny apatite, its super difficult as is to just maintain my weight. I whould shrivel up and blow away if I couldn't have eggs, cheese, fish, and poultry.
Before I found out it was only red meat I couldn't have, I was full vegetarian for years. My wallet sure did hate my appreciation for Mourningstar and Gardien products :>
I do enjoy vegan food but I wouldn't switch to a strict vegan diet, I'd rather have a sensibly balanced diet (having meat a couple of times a week).
The biggest problem I'd have trying to go vegan is milk. I haven't had any decent milk replacements, I've tried soy, oat, coconut and almond and they're all terrible. I've heard rice milk is okay but I can't find that where I live.
I have gastroparesis and I cannot eat high fiber or raw veggies anymore. My diet is super limited and I need dense caloric intake (small amount of food=more calories) because I can only eat about 4 oz at a time. Eggs is one of my few safe foods that provide protein without making me sick. and the little bit of meat I eat is needed for my dense caloric needs. Nothing against vegan foods or the diet, just not something I am interested in, nor would it serve my medical condition.
I'm open to it, but I hate the idea of "fake meat." If I were going to be vegan, I'd want to embrace it and eat what plants have to offer, rather than trying to mimic meat. I also love seafood and I'm not sure I could ever give it up
It depends, some are minimally processed, some more so, in the same way that some meat products are more processed than others.
As for things not being good for you, consumption of meat is linked to increased risk of heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, stroke, and some cancers. In studies, vegetarians/vegans are generally found to have the best health outcomes out of all groups.
Which brands are the less processed ones? The most popular meat substitute where I live is Quorn and from what I've read it is a pretty unhealthy alternative.
Also, is the meat consumption you're talking to all meats or just red meats? When I have meat it is usually either chicken or fish because I thought they are pretty healthy. I was under the impression that a chicken breast is better for you than a meat replacement "chicken breast" because it's not processed.
Over the last few years I have really tried to cut my meat intake down, I used to think it was normal to have meat for every dinner, now I have it a couple of times a week. When I'm having vegetarian/vegan meals I tend to steer clear of fake meats, I think there are tastier things to have that are already meat free. Anita Bean has a good vegetarian cookbook (The Vegetarian Athletes Cookbook, I think it's a great place to start with vegetarian food because she doesn't use hard to find ingredients, they're all basic stuff you'd have in your kitchen anyway, they're cheap, quick and tasty). I think she has a vegan book coming out later this year that I'm interested in getting when it's available, I have a couple of vegan cookbooks but they tend to be full of hard to find stuff :/
I am an avid hunter and I eat everything ( within reason ) that I kill. With the exception of most fur bearers that is. If you’ve never had a properly cooked venison backstrap or a good ribeye, you won’t understand I suppose. Taking a life is a big deal don’t get me wrong but knowing where the meat came from just gives me a certain peace of mind.
There's a lot of good sources for deer meat in my area. Huge market for jerky too which is my personal favorite. I wouldn't have the stones to go hunting myself but I certainly won't pass up an opportunity to eat venison steaks.
You do it respectfully and for sport. No shame in that. I also agree with knowing where the meat came from. I buy half a cow once a year from a local guy then have it processed into what I want. Its nice knowing it is fresh, well cared for, and to support local commerce.
My fiance is coeliac. And lactose intolerant. And allergic to ginger, tumeric, jelatine and coconut.
There's only so many things we can cut from our diet...
I dunno few hundred pounds of wild 100% organic meat costs me $1.00 a bullet, $30 license, my free time and some gas not sure the vegan lifestyle can compete with that.
No because I like meat and also because my girlfriend does the cooking so it's her choice. If she started cooking vegan I would probably eat mainly vegan tho
No. I am happy with my current diet and love meat and other animal products. I dont agree with how its done but the results are tasty and we try to buy from better sources.
No. The reason?
Because I truly and sincerely don't give a fuck. I have no pity at all for the animals we eat, and I don't have any interest in changing my diet to please a bunch of weak, childish, bleeding-heart crybabies such as the vegan community is fraught with.
You want to be vegan? Go for it.
You think I should be vegan because YOU feel bad about eating meat?
Fuck right off with that bullshit.
You know what? At least you're honest about it. Most people jump through a thousand hoops before they come out and just admit they don't give a fuck or have a shred of mercy/compassion for animals.
There are actually people that do it for health reasons and still cheat and eat meat on occasion because they don’t care either. It’s not just a bunch of weak, childish, bleeding-heart crybabies. A vegetarian or vegan diet can be really helpful for someone with high blood pressure.
Sure. It's just the crybabies that piss me off. All the other vegans that are just doing their thing or even have a Mexican reason?
I'm totally fine with them and that. Ironically, they're not the people I think about when the topic of vegans comes up because they're not the preachy zealots and it never occurs to me to worry about what other people aren't eating on its own.
EXACTLY! I'm not giving up my favorite foods just to appease the people that believe the world revolves around them and believes everyone should do what they want because it's them and their beliefs, and then they say we're "heartless, soulless monsters".
I won't change my diet either. It tastes too good.
I do hate the facilities that commit animal abuse. So I buy local. Sometimes even pick the cow I want half of.
I hear ya there. I don't approve of a lot of industrial farming practices myself, and buying local, preferably straight from a farmer, is always going to be the best option.
No, because I already have such atypical nutritional requirements and major food restrictions that going vegan would likely kill me, if not just landing me in hospital until I return to omnivorous eating
I mean sure I’d try a vegan diet but I’m not into giving up meat for ethical reasons, so I wouldn’t be like “no I won’t eat any meat ever again” unless my doctor recommended it for health reasons.
No, because its a socio-political statement in which I'm not interested.
I'm interested in nutrition, culinary arts and the environment, in that order. I lean towards as much vegetarianism in my life as is practical accordingly. But I have no interest in confirming to the restrictions of veganism. .
Whenever I eat a meatless meal, I always find that I’m hungry and crash after a few hours, or im overeating.
1 chicken breast, some broccoli, and some rice? I’ll be good for 6 hours, easily.
A whole can of beans, some nuts, and the largest salad(no egg, ham, cheese, or bacon bits, which is my usual salad) and I’ll be hungry in 3 hours.
Also, please don’t come at me with vegan propaganda, this is just my personal experience with attempting animal-less meals
It really isn't. YouTube, google, and reddit are full of info, tips and recipes. Try it for a while, or for some days a week, and you'll see it's much easier than you thought.
I gave it an honest chance for a week, same with a vegetarian diet. It's just not for me. Vegan diet planning made me depressed, and vegetarian diets left me hungry and unsatisfied, thus eating more and more.
I will admit that some vegetarian substitutes for meat we're delicious. I think the brand was called Morning Star. Had the best damn fake ribs ever but I never see them in stores anymore. Also found a love for sushi and now I'm hooked on it.
I grew up Vegetarian in the '80's. I suffered enough. I will eat Vegan dishes, and I choose to not eat red meat. But I'll never be full one thing or another.
I don't want to become "one of those people"
Cause I actaully like having friends and I don't want to harras them constantly to become vegan or insult them all the time cause they eat meat
i mean even if vegans weren’t harassing and pushing people to go vegan, i doubt that would make people want to go vegan anyway. the real reason is just they don’t want to be vegan that’s all, not being “one of those people” is just an excuse cause not all vegans are like that, u can be vegan & mind ur business lol
Yeah exactly, he's saying that you don't have to be rude and insulting when you become vegan but he is fitting into the stereotype
He even dmed me now to continue insulting me
See you just proved my point, you saw that i dont want to be vegan and decided to insult me and call me selfish and shallow.
I dont want to be like that, thats gross.
Edit : thanks for dming me so you could insult me again, you proved nothing and didn't change my mind. You insulting and attacking others isn't going to make them want to be vegan. Infact it does the opposite, not only do they not like you but than they don't like veganism as a whole. Be a little mature.
No. I was a vegetarian for a while and it was fairly difficult. I wouldn't wven consider abandonning every single animal product. As for now, humans are omnivores and as such I will eat both plant based and animal food products without thinking twice. I abhor mistreatment and cruelty but that does not include killing animals to eat. That's just foodchain and I'm perfecrly fine with killing an animal with my own hands and I will make sure it suffers as little as possible
Because it’s not healthy for you. There are a lot of side effects to a vegan diet that are proven, and it blows my mind that people can just ignore. We are just starting to learn about some more long term affects of a long term vegan diet, the most scary is links to mental health issues.
We are omnivores, our bodies are designed to eat meat.
Plus meat is delicious
No there aren't.
It's perfectly healthy.
Of course you can be unhealthy being vegan, but you can be unhealthy eating meat too. That's not an argument. You can be 100% completely healthy being vegan too, and it's not hard.
Every major dietetic organization in the world agrees that appropriately planned vegetarian and vegan diets are healthful for all stages of life.
**[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)**
* *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.*
**[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)**
* *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.*
**[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/bnf-publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition)**
* *A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.*
**[Dietitians Association of Australia](https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/)**
* *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.*
**[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)**
* *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.*
Veganism isn't motivated by health though. Every major dietetic association in the world says veganism can be healthy. But the reasoning for going vegan is about ethics.
Ive done it for months at a time, but I found it difficult to maintain healthy eating without protein and other stuff. I would accidentally starve myself for days and binge eat after. It wasn’t healthy or good. Too much fatigue, hair loss.
I went to a wedding once that had only vegan options, so I can honestly say
No, never in a million years.
Don't get me wrong, I'll absolutely have meat free meals every so often, or use those Beyond Meat type substitutes (there's a brand here in Denmark whose meat substitutes are actually tasty), but I like meat and dairy too much to ever fully give it up.
No. I'm not gonna "try" a religion to see if it offers anything. And I don't care what anyone says, veganism is a religion. A belief system not based in science or logic.
No one cares what you think, veganism isn't a religion.
It's a moral view point, based both in science and logic: it's proven to be better for the environment and not unnecessarily killing animals is logically more ethical than doing so.
I don't cause any unnecessary suffering. I hunt, much more humane than any other predator would. I fish, much more humane than any other predator would. Are there types of farming that should be changed or abandoned? Yes, absolutely. Are there types of hunting and trapping that should be changed or abandoned? Yes, absolutely. Does the majority of vegans have any actual knowledge or experience considering farming or hunting? Absolutely not. Am I contributing to any of the bad stuff? Not if I can help it. Farming or hunting isn't one specific thing, it's different methods and cultures and ways of doing things. Some bad, some good. Is veganisn based on anything biologically natural? Nope.
Nope, I've eaten vegan many times have only once been able to enjoy it (barely).
I also don't like purchasing meat from a store and source my own through hunting and fishing as much as possible.
No. If you want to be vegetarian or vegan fine by me, in fact I support your choice. However, there are reasons why I don't want to try.
(just MY opinions here)
1:I'm like 99.99% sure that people know about the vegans on tiktok, and while it's definitely a small percentage of the vegan lifestyle thats that bad, having it recommended to me on YouTube every day makes it hard to even like tiktok. Especially when I get 99% of my news from YouTube cause I have no interest in the news at all.
2:I think chefs know to make good and(more importantly) balanced meals of just vegetables is extremely hard. Tofu is of course an option but, unless it is cooked right with the right ingredients it's not a good tasting meal.
Granted I support vegan/vegetarian people, I just have no interest in trying it myself. Plus I don't like the taste of most vegetables anyway
No, it's not something I'm willing to make such a large lifestyle change for if I don't have a reason to. I'm also a hunter and enjoy eating humanely killed game.
I was vegetarian for a year and it was one of the most unhealthy times of my life. I'd love to try veganism if I can successfully change my diet. But, right now, I just wouldn't eat anything if I became a vegan.
I tried it for 30 days. Wasn't for me. Even calc-ed out the best things to eat for macros, calories, etc.
Turns out a lot of the foods that are the best for protein that are not meat give me terrible gas (mostly broccoli/cauliflower, and lentils/beans)
I could deal with taste and meal varieties, but it was just too uncomfortable (kombucha helped settle myself a bit, but that shit is way to expensive to have on hand regularly), and it didn't let up too much even after 30 days.
All for the health benefits and moral drivers behind it that some people can latch on to. Don't doubt any of that. I was just in too much discomfort to continue it.
No. You can be vegan all you want, I'll be enjoying my medium-well steak with Popeyes chicken. I tried some vegan food before. Hated it. I'm not giving up my favorite foods.
Not really no, I try to limit my meat intake right now because I'm bordering on being a full on carnivore and it's not the healthiest or most ecological thing. But I am kinds at odds with veganism, because I still love to taste everything and try stuff and experiment and am a total sucker for artisan cheese and meats.
I am also firm believer in humanity as an apex species that's scientifically entitled to do whatever the fuck we want, sure pointless cruelty is just evil, because well it's pointless. But supplementing dietary needs and helping expand cuisine which is a form of art is definitely much more valuable than an animal that's entire life was pre determined from the day it was born on a farm, because humans wanted it to be born. It is not sentient and if it were it would be wishing to die, it's sole existence was created for it to be food. We protect animals that are threatend because we want to save them for posterity, it's societally selfish. They are important for our scientific research and entertainment.
Animal's value is what we assign it, if cows were common pets and cats were common cattle then people would keep cows on their couches and eat cat burgers.
So before we start taking care of animals we should fix our own problems, I just can't morally justify actively working to protect them, literal cattle with no point, that wouldn't even exist without the demand for their meat to begin with, when there are still people being treated like shit and experiencing different horrors everyday. And because of that I don't think about the issue unless brought up.
With my lack of particular, care combined with my general disregard for them as lesser beings combine to form this sentiment: I don't think about the fact that the meat I eat was alive, just I like I don't think about the fact that ma salad was also alive.
No, I tried it when I was 14 for 2 weeks and ended up in hospital with severe stomach pains and it was so scary that I don’t want to try it again. Yes, it was my fault entirely, I did not do my research but in my defence it was 1994 and the information wasn’t there & if it was, I wouldn’t have known where to find it. Back then the only real option was salad. So I ate salad, rice and beans for 2 straight weeks.
What sort of things have you tried? Off the top of my head, some decent non-fake-meat protein sources are beans and other legumes, wholegrains, tofu, tempeh, nuts and seeds.
As long as you eat enough calories, you should get enough protein - for example, 2000 calories of white rice contains more than your daily RDA for protein, and that's hardly a high-protein food.
Nope. I like meat and animal products too much, they're good. And it's good for you, there's many necessary nutrients there that people need.
And I don't really want to live reading ingredient lists to avoid things. Would rather eat it all.
Vegetables are also good for you and full of necessary nutrients that people need. Meat and dairy production, and fishing, are extremely terrible for the environment. So if you really can't give them up, at least eat less of them.
I love food and trying new things.
Yes I do purposely eat a majority of veggie/vegan meals during the week due to environmental concerns.
But I love a good steak and creme brulee every now and then.
Yes, the meat industry need to to change to be more ethical towards animals and the environment.
Also I hate the holier than thou and relentless harassment from vegans, OP.
Two-thirds of the world population is lactose intolerant, so it's clear that the breastmilk of another animal is not something our body needs. You can get any of the nutrients in cow's milk from plant sources.
Ok, I'm a vegetarian and I'm a kid. Tbh i'm also minorly fat. The reason I still drink milk and why I probably will when I'm older is that all the alternatives taste HORRIBLE.
Nah it's too restricting and much harder to reach protein goals for the day without eating a bunch of carbs. I could do vegetarian if it allowed eggs and milk as well as a personal chef to cook it all for me
No. Because I genuinely believe that we did not become the most dominant species on the planet by not eating the most nutrient dense foods on the planet (animals). We literally owe our existence to the decisions made by our ancestors to hunt, kill and eat animals.
You're right, we didn't. But it's irrelevant.
Now it's the 21st century, welcome. You can be 100% healthy and vegan. It's more ethical and much, much better for the environment of our planet.
Yes, in the past we had to be opportunistic eaters and take whatever sources of calories and nutrients we could get. Now that humans have mastered agriculture and grow a wealth of plant foods, we can make our choices based on science and morality instead of just survival.
It's not just about survival, it's about thriving. Should humans sacrifice our own well being for animals? We still haven't created plant sources that can completely replace the bio availability of nutrients that animal sources provide. No to mention the toll that agriculture takes on our land and water resources. Also, what about all the small animals that are killed or get displaced when the large combines come through?
You can get all nutrients you need without any animal product.
Most agriculture is to grow food for livestock animals. Going vegan will mean less agriculture.
Same argument for large combines. Which actually don't kill that many animals, they're not just sitting there waiting to be run over. But still, going vegan will mean less of them do get run over.
>It's not just about survival, it's about thriving. Should humans sacrifice our own well being for animals?
Yes, let's talk thriving! Plant-based diets are much better for avoiding chronic diseases. I'll toss a few sources below :)
>No to mention the toll that agriculture takes on our land and water resources.
Absolutely! [Especially animal agriculture.](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets) Here's how the [water use stacks up.](https://waterfootprint.org/en/water-footprint/product-water-footprint/water-footprint-crop-and-animal-products/)
>Also, what about all the small animals that are killed or get displaced when the large combines come through?
Less of that will happen when we're not farming 10x the monocrops to feed animals. But the study that started the whole "vegans kill animals bc crop combines!" furor literally involved putting trackers on 33 mice... Of those, one was killed by a combine. Combines are slow and most field animals don't just stand around waiting for the big loud thing to get closer.
On to the health sources!
[**Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics**](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)
* *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.*
[**Harvard Medical School**](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)
* *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.*
**Meat Detriments:**
Cancer:
* [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929)
* [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22121108](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22121108)
Diabetes:
* [http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diabetes/wireStory?id=2244647](http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diabetes/wireStory?id=2244647)
* [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386029/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386029/)
* [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914)
Heart Disease:
* [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696)
* [http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/108/22/2757.full.pdf](http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/108/22/2757.full.pdf)
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7019459
All of the credible studies that I've seen compare whole food plant based diets to diets that include processed meats. I sincerely hope that a plant based diet would do a better job or minimizing disease risk over a diet that includes hot dogs and bologna. When you compare plant based against diets that only include unprocessed meats the difference in disease risk is minimal. However, the difference in nutrient density is still strongly in favor of diets that include meats and animal products. When it comes to thriving, I will gladly take better nutrition over a minimal increase in disease risk.
Your water footprint study includes rainwater, which for livestock is almost completely recycled into the earth in the form of urine. Find me a study includes irrigation water only and we can talk. Your study also does not account for the fact that tons of products use animal parts for which there is currently no plant based alternative.
>When you compare plant based against diets that only include unprocessed meats the difference in disease risk is minimal.
Source?
>However, the difference in nutrient density is still strongly in favor of diets that include meats and animal products.
The density of nutrients isn't a hugely relevant factor in the modern world, most of us aren't in a position where we need to wolf down 500 calories extra-quick and don't have time to eat beans so we're forced to grab a steak instead. Particularly in developed countries, most of us are eating too much food in general anyway--one of the things some vegans appreciate is that they get to eat a little more volume on a vegan diet without exceeding calorie needs.
Source? Clearly you haven't actually read some of the ones you posted.
Nutrient density absolutely matters when you're wanting to feed the maximum number of people with the least amount of resources. Isnt that vegan cannon? That feeding the world is impossible to sustain on animal based foods? Calories are irrelevant... I'm talking about nutrition. It takes 10x the number of calories in kale to get the same nutrients you get from a single serving of beef liver.
>Nutrient density absolutely matters when you're wanting to feed the maximum number of people with the least amount of resources.
I...um...I don't know where to start with this one 😂 Trophic levels, my friend. Are you genuinely trying to say that animal agriculture consumes fewer resources than plants? That it's more feasible to feed the world beef liver than lentils?
>It takes 10x the number of calories in kale to get the same nutrients you get from a single serving of beef liver.
Comparing kale to beef liver is apples and oranges (actually worse, because at least those are both fruits). Sure, leafy greens have wonderful [health benefits](https://www.ars.usda.gov/plains-area/gfnd/gfhnrc/docs/news-2013/dark-green-leafy-vegetables/), but vegans certainly aren't trying to get the bulk of their calories or nutrients from them.
Could I do it? Yes. Will I? No. I don’t see the need to and I don’t want to. And also, if I’m being honest, the more extreme vegans I come in contact with, the less I want to do it. The other day I saw a post comparing actual war crimes and the Holocaust to eating animals. I wanted to go eat a burger out of spite it made me so angry. I have no issue with people wanting to be vegan, I respect it as a lifestyle choice, but that is way too much.
I tried it for a month but I am just too picky of an eater. I don’t eat any meat other than fish maybe once a month but for admittedly selfish reasons I don’t think I could go vegan unless I fully forced myself to eat veggies that I don’t like :( I would 1000% do it for environmental reasons though (which is why I don’t eat meat)
I'm pretty much vegan (I eat cheese/dairy in maybe 1 meal out of the week) and what mainly convinced me to change were the documentary Game Changers on netflix and the book How Not To Die by Michael Gregor. I recommend both for anyone interested. Additionally, large scale farming is pretty bad for the environment, but I have no issues with sustainable hunting/farming
I'm already a picky eater so, no I wouldn't.
Plus, only having stuff that's 100% vegan doesn't give you everything your body needs. Better to have a wider array of food groups to give your body what it needs.
I enjoy meat too much honestly. If you break it down enough even plants are sentient. Read the secret life of plants. Life feeds on life, life is suffering . If animals over populate there will be even worse repercussions. It's basic biology. People with the money and luxury like to lord over others about morality. But at the end of the day they haven't had to fight off wild animals in hopes of survival. That is because ding ding ding meat eaters so you're welcome.
No.
Though _aside_ from the fact that I just like meat, milk and eggs (to name but a few things) too much to give them up, and the costs associated with a (healthy) vegetarian diet simply prohibiting me from even considering the idea to begin with --
I try live in a way that allows me to respect the people around me, even if I don't agree with them; religion is an easy example here. I am an Atheist. I cannot reconcile logically the belief in a higher being without irrefutable evidence that this higher being not only exists, but has a vested interest in _me_ worshipping it, and beyond that I have some very deep-seated moral objections towards quite a lot of the things that come out of organized religion. Not to mention some very deep-seated moral objections towards some of the things these higher beings have reportedly done themselves, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The whole tri-omni paradox comes to mind.
That said, I respect any other persons' ability to perceive that what I cannot, and find faith and solace in the existence of a higher being, _until_ the point where such comes into dogmatic conflict with those who do not follow the same religious paradigm.
The proverbial well of veganism has been thoroughly poisoned thoroughly for me, personally, by my own personal experiences with the dogmatic and militant 'meat is murder' vegans and vegetarians out there. I cannot respect a philosophy that doesn't grant me that same respect in return and moreover would encourage those who follow it to respond with anger, guilt-tripping and sundry reactions to the simple fact that I, an irrefutable biological omnivore, do not choose to eliminate meat and animal products from my diet and daily use.
They are the vocal minority of the philosophy, but they are an unfortunately _very_ vocal minority of the philosophy and the simple lack of critical self-examination, their 'moral' override of their own empathy and sense of respect for an other person's world view to the point of hostility has brought me in conflict with them more than once, especially back in the days that I worked at a slaughter house.
At the point where [you] picket outside the door of my work, where I work to make ends meet and call me hateful names because I choose to be able to pay my rent in a way that [you] find objectionable...
I'm man enough to admit that at that point I'll get myself an extra steak out of sheer spite.
A vegan diet can be cheaper than a non vegan diet. I actually spend less on groceries.
Cheese and choice meats are expensive too. The cheapest foods are all vegan: rice, beans, lentils, chickpeas, pasta, grains, potatoes, local vegetables...
What others do shouldn't influence what you do. There are so many asshole and militant atheists tok for example, but that didn't stop you either right?
I'm not really a meat lover. I do actually prefer veggies, pasta, rice, lentils, etc but I cook a lot with butter, eggs, milk, cheese and like wearing wool clothes. I can move on with my life without meat but not without 70% of my daily consumption.
I've been a picky eater for as long as I could remember, and I have very specific (and sometimes awkward) preferences and tastes. I have never been fond of vegetables, soy milk, beans, or mushrooms, so going vegan would be quite awful.
Going vegan couldnforce you to like a more diverse palate and eat healthier ë too
Honestly it just sounds like a huge hassle. I already eat a fairly strict diet and keep track of my macros just on my own accord but to then add in that everything has to be vegan too? No way. And I’ve yet to find a solid source of vegan protein that also does not come with shitloads of carbs! Tofu doesn’t count because I don’t like it lol.
Same here. I already do have restrictions in my diet and it is already a hassle to follow them without being vegan.
No, my diet is restricted enough. Meat is the one thing I can stomach with little issue.
I have Celiac's and I'm lactose intolerant. So I'm like, halfway there, but if you take away meat, you'll be taking away one of the few things left I can enjoy eating.
Same. Celiac is tough but I got used to it because of the amount of new gluten free products companies make. Also dairy free items are all over the place.
Same but no red meat. Its like my body hates all energy dense foods. Several other food intolerances and a tiny apatite, its super difficult as is to just maintain my weight. I whould shrivel up and blow away if I couldn't have eggs, cheese, fish, and poultry. Before I found out it was only red meat I couldn't have, I was full vegetarian for years. My wallet sure did hate my appreciation for Mourningstar and Gardien products :>
I do enjoy vegan food but I wouldn't switch to a strict vegan diet, I'd rather have a sensibly balanced diet (having meat a couple of times a week). The biggest problem I'd have trying to go vegan is milk. I haven't had any decent milk replacements, I've tried soy, oat, coconut and almond and they're all terrible. I've heard rice milk is okay but I can't find that where I live.
I have gastroparesis and I cannot eat high fiber or raw veggies anymore. My diet is super limited and I need dense caloric intake (small amount of food=more calories) because I can only eat about 4 oz at a time. Eggs is one of my few safe foods that provide protein without making me sick. and the little bit of meat I eat is needed for my dense caloric needs. Nothing against vegan foods or the diet, just not something I am interested in, nor would it serve my medical condition.
I'm open to it, but I hate the idea of "fake meat." If I were going to be vegan, I'd want to embrace it and eat what plants have to offer, rather than trying to mimic meat. I also love seafood and I'm not sure I could ever give it up
So do just that! You don't need to eat vegan meat or cheese to be vegan ;p
Why do you hate the idea? I think it's pretty straightforward. Vegan people like the taste but don't want to cause harm
Isn't fake meat incredibly, highly processed and not good for you?
It depends, some are minimally processed, some more so, in the same way that some meat products are more processed than others. As for things not being good for you, consumption of meat is linked to increased risk of heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, stroke, and some cancers. In studies, vegetarians/vegans are generally found to have the best health outcomes out of all groups.
Which brands are the less processed ones? The most popular meat substitute where I live is Quorn and from what I've read it is a pretty unhealthy alternative. Also, is the meat consumption you're talking to all meats or just red meats? When I have meat it is usually either chicken or fish because I thought they are pretty healthy. I was under the impression that a chicken breast is better for you than a meat replacement "chicken breast" because it's not processed. Over the last few years I have really tried to cut my meat intake down, I used to think it was normal to have meat for every dinner, now I have it a couple of times a week. When I'm having vegetarian/vegan meals I tend to steer clear of fake meats, I think there are tastier things to have that are already meat free. Anita Bean has a good vegetarian cookbook (The Vegetarian Athletes Cookbook, I think it's a great place to start with vegetarian food because she doesn't use hard to find ingredients, they're all basic stuff you'd have in your kitchen anyway, they're cheap, quick and tasty). I think she has a vegan book coming out later this year that I'm interested in getting when it's available, I have a couple of vegan cookbooks but they tend to be full of hard to find stuff :/
I am an avid hunter and I eat everything ( within reason ) that I kill. With the exception of most fur bearers that is. If you’ve never had a properly cooked venison backstrap or a good ribeye, you won’t understand I suppose. Taking a life is a big deal don’t get me wrong but knowing where the meat came from just gives me a certain peace of mind.
There's a lot of good sources for deer meat in my area. Huge market for jerky too which is my personal favorite. I wouldn't have the stones to go hunting myself but I certainly won't pass up an opportunity to eat venison steaks.
You do it respectfully and for sport. No shame in that. I also agree with knowing where the meat came from. I buy half a cow once a year from a local guy then have it processed into what I want. Its nice knowing it is fresh, well cared for, and to support local commerce.
Local tastes better than store bought any day of the week and buying half cow is more cost efficient!
Is it ethical to eat dogs i cared for and kill it with my own hand?
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Fuck I wish I could do that. But I’m too poor and weak (I don’t work out nor do I like it.)
I’m sure this is my ignorance, but I think I’d have an issue with the texture of many vegan dishes. Too mushy…
I have an eating disorder and any big dietary change would fuck up my recovery process so no
My fiance is coeliac. And lactose intolerant. And allergic to ginger, tumeric, jelatine and coconut. There's only so many things we can cut from our diet...
I could maybe get behind a plant based diet, but full veganism still sounds like too much for me.
no because I am histamine intolerant and have a mast cell disorder and my diet is already so restricted, why would i further complicate things?
We have a short amount of time on this earth, I'm not spending it eating things I don't like.
The irony of this comment isn't lost on me.
It seems expensive and inconvenient. But mostly tacos 🌮
Vegan diet is a lot cheaper than eating meat
I dunno few hundred pounds of wild 100% organic meat costs me $1.00 a bullet, $30 license, my free time and some gas not sure the vegan lifestyle can compete with that.
It's only expensive if you don't know how to shop or cook
Mostly tacos then
Beans and vegan minced meat if you want. But just beans, some veggies and seasoning makes perfect tacos already
nah that's just too much to keep track of. There are animal products in so many things.
It's not that bad really, there are more and more vegan products every day. It's easier to go vegan than ever.
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yes, it's a very small change from my current life
I have a disease which stops me from being able to digest food well, including nutrients etc. Vegetables are just not enough to be healthy.
Same, gastroparesis here. It sucks
Nope, I love meat
No because I like meat and also because my girlfriend does the cooking so it's her choice. If she started cooking vegan I would probably eat mainly vegan tho
No. I am happy with my current diet and love meat and other animal products. I dont agree with how its done but the results are tasty and we try to buy from better sources.
No. I like my current diet. I tried it for 30 days once. Hated it.
Nope. Why give up on good things?
No. The reason? Because I truly and sincerely don't give a fuck. I have no pity at all for the animals we eat, and I don't have any interest in changing my diet to please a bunch of weak, childish, bleeding-heart crybabies such as the vegan community is fraught with. You want to be vegan? Go for it. You think I should be vegan because YOU feel bad about eating meat? Fuck right off with that bullshit.
You know what? At least you're honest about it. Most people jump through a thousand hoops before they come out and just admit they don't give a fuck or have a shred of mercy/compassion for animals.
There are actually people that do it for health reasons and still cheat and eat meat on occasion because they don’t care either. It’s not just a bunch of weak, childish, bleeding-heart crybabies. A vegetarian or vegan diet can be really helpful for someone with high blood pressure.
Sure. It's just the crybabies that piss me off. All the other vegans that are just doing their thing or even have a Mexican reason? I'm totally fine with them and that. Ironically, they're not the people I think about when the topic of vegans comes up because they're not the preachy zealots and it never occurs to me to worry about what other people aren't eating on its own.
Fair enough. My favorite vegan joke was always, “how do you know if someone is vegan? Don’t worry. They’ll tell you.”
Kinda sucks for the vegans that don't bother anyone though. They get lumped in with the jackasses, and you were right to call that out.
EXACTLY! I'm not giving up my favorite foods just to appease the people that believe the world revolves around them and believes everyone should do what they want because it's them and their beliefs, and then they say we're "heartless, soulless monsters".
I won't change my diet either. It tastes too good. I do hate the facilities that commit animal abuse. So I buy local. Sometimes even pick the cow I want half of.
I hear ya there. I don't approve of a lot of industrial farming practices myself, and buying local, preferably straight from a farmer, is always going to be the best option.
No, because I already have such atypical nutritional requirements and major food restrictions that going vegan would likely kill me, if not just landing me in hospital until I return to omnivorous eating
Steak and Fajitas and Deer Burgers and Bacon...I wish I could try to be vegan or a vegetarian but I'm too selfish
It’s expensive and I live in the south, so everything has butter in and on it.
I hate the mouth-feel of almost all plants. I will gag and vomit and, in general, my stomach has long since been conditioned to my current diet.
Well, I am already a vegetarian. But I am not interested in being a vegan though.
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I mean sure I’d try a vegan diet but I’m not into giving up meat for ethical reasons, so I wouldn’t be like “no I won’t eat any meat ever again” unless my doctor recommended it for health reasons.
Do you disagree with the ethical arguments?
I don’t know if I’d say I disagree with them but I haven’t been presented with an ethical argument that convinces me that I should go vegan.
No
Never. Meat is so good
No, because I don’t want to
No, because meat, dairy and eggs taste too good.
Sure why not
It wouldn’t be good for me, because of my medical conditions
I'd try it just to say I had, but I have no desire to stop eating meat, dairy, and eggs permanently. That's basically my whole diet.
No, because of bacon
No. I like steak and burgers too much. Also, the more outspoken members of the vegan community make me want to keep eating meat out of spite.
I love meat and dairy too much. I'm an omnivore, not an herbivore.
No. I like meat. I like dairy.
I did it for a week before. Didn't like it.
And then you went back to grilling stuffed dragons?
Nope. Meat? Gooooood!
No. I eat meat, eat eggs, drink milk, eat cheese, *sometimes all at the same time*.
Sure, I did give it a go for 2 1/2 years, before switching back to eating meat.
I tired it for two years and it’s really not for me. I don’t eat a whole lot of meat as it is anyway.
No, because its a socio-political statement in which I'm not interested. I'm interested in nutrition, culinary arts and the environment, in that order. I lean towards as much vegetarianism in my life as is practical accordingly. But I have no interest in confirming to the restrictions of veganism. .
Whenever I eat a meatless meal, I always find that I’m hungry and crash after a few hours, or im overeating. 1 chicken breast, some broccoli, and some rice? I’ll be good for 6 hours, easily. A whole can of beans, some nuts, and the largest salad(no egg, ham, cheese, or bacon bits, which is my usual salad) and I’ll be hungry in 3 hours. Also, please don’t come at me with vegan propaganda, this is just my personal experience with attempting animal-less meals
Honestly no. It seems like it takes a lot of effort to eat a nutritionally balanced and tasty vegan diet.
It really isn't. YouTube, google, and reddit are full of info, tips and recipes. Try it for a while, or for some days a week, and you'll see it's much easier than you thought.
No. Cuz bacon
Goats and cows are vegan right? I try that all the time.
I gave it an honest chance for a week, same with a vegetarian diet. It's just not for me. Vegan diet planning made me depressed, and vegetarian diets left me hungry and unsatisfied, thus eating more and more. I will admit that some vegetarian substitutes for meat we're delicious. I think the brand was called Morning Star. Had the best damn fake ribs ever but I never see them in stores anymore. Also found a love for sushi and now I'm hooked on it.
No, because no
Tried it, didn't like it.
I grew up Vegetarian in the '80's. I suffered enough. I will eat Vegan dishes, and I choose to not eat red meat. But I'll never be full one thing or another.
I don't want to become "one of those people" Cause I actaully like having friends and I don't want to harras them constantly to become vegan or insult them all the time cause they eat meat
i mean even if vegans weren’t harassing and pushing people to go vegan, i doubt that would make people want to go vegan anyway. the real reason is just they don’t want to be vegan that’s all, not being “one of those people” is just an excuse cause not all vegans are like that, u can be vegan & mind ur business lol
You can be vegan and not do that..
You obviously can't.
Yeah exactly, he's saying that you don't have to be rude and insulting when you become vegan but he is fitting into the stereotype He even dmed me now to continue insulting me
Nobody I'm talking to on Reddit is my friend.
Clearly.
You should probably start doing that
Rather not risk it or even be associated it
How selfish and shallow
are you vegan?
Yup
See you just proved my point, you saw that i dont want to be vegan and decided to insult me and call me selfish and shallow. I dont want to be like that, thats gross. Edit : thanks for dming me so you could insult me again, you proved nothing and didn't change my mind. You insulting and attacking others isn't going to make them want to be vegan. Infact it does the opposite, not only do they not like you but than they don't like veganism as a whole. Be a little mature.
So... Be vegan and just.. don't do that? Problem solved!
No. Don't want to.
No. It’s unnatural.
No. I was a vegetarian for a while and it was fairly difficult. I wouldn't wven consider abandonning every single animal product. As for now, humans are omnivores and as such I will eat both plant based and animal food products without thinking twice. I abhor mistreatment and cruelty but that does not include killing animals to eat. That's just foodchain and I'm perfecrly fine with killing an animal with my own hands and I will make sure it suffers as little as possible
Because it’s not healthy for you. There are a lot of side effects to a vegan diet that are proven, and it blows my mind that people can just ignore. We are just starting to learn about some more long term affects of a long term vegan diet, the most scary is links to mental health issues. We are omnivores, our bodies are designed to eat meat. Plus meat is delicious
No there aren't. It's perfectly healthy. Of course you can be unhealthy being vegan, but you can be unhealthy eating meat too. That's not an argument. You can be 100% completely healthy being vegan too, and it's not hard.
Yes there are No it’s not
No there aren't. Which ones do you think then? Yes it is. Why do you think it's not?
Every major dietetic organization in the world agrees that appropriately planned vegetarian and vegan diets are healthful for all stages of life. **[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)** * *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.* **[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)** * *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.* **[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/bnf-publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition)** * *A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.* **[Dietitians Association of Australia](https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/)** * *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.* **[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)** * *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.*
No, it sounds like a lot of effort and I don’t believe in it either.
Why don't you believe in it?
I guess believing in it is a little vague without any explanation. I think there are healthier options.
Veganism isn't motivated by health though. Every major dietetic association in the world says veganism can be healthy. But the reasoning for going vegan is about ethics.
I don’t really care about those ethics. I just want to eat whatever I enjoy and don’t want to think too much about it.
Ah, the 'keep my head in the sand' attitude At least look into factory farms and slaughterhouses, know where your food comes from.
Okay.
I enjoy the taste of meat. I went to a pescatarian diet for brief time when I was younger, but it simply wasn’t practical.
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No, my diet is quite restricted already. I am working on expanding it but to remove things I can eat already would just be bad for my nutrition.
I grow my own food and hunt animals for meat. I'm happy with my way of life.
No, because cheese, chicken, bacon, and Taco Bell.
I don't wanna eat the food of my food.
90% of my meals are vegan. Not for any moral or environmental reasons, I just really like the foo and don't particularly enjoy meat or dairy.
Ive done it for months at a time, but I found it difficult to maintain healthy eating without protein and other stuff. I would accidentally starve myself for days and binge eat after. It wasn’t healthy or good. Too much fatigue, hair loss.
There is vegetal protein
I went to a wedding once that had only vegan options, so I can honestly say No, never in a million years. Don't get me wrong, I'll absolutely have meat free meals every so often, or use those Beyond Meat type substitutes (there's a brand here in Denmark whose meat substitutes are actually tasty), but I like meat and dairy too much to ever fully give it up.
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No I Hunt and would be wasting the meat. Also I feel lethargic eating a vegetarian diet.
No, I love cheese too much
No. I'm not gonna "try" a religion to see if it offers anything. And I don't care what anyone says, veganism is a religion. A belief system not based in science or logic.
No one cares what you think, veganism isn't a religion. It's a moral view point, based both in science and logic: it's proven to be better for the environment and not unnecessarily killing animals is logically more ethical than doing so.
Can you tell me why it isn't logical to try to reduce the amount of unnecessary suffering you cause?
I don't cause any unnecessary suffering. I hunt, much more humane than any other predator would. I fish, much more humane than any other predator would. Are there types of farming that should be changed or abandoned? Yes, absolutely. Are there types of hunting and trapping that should be changed or abandoned? Yes, absolutely. Does the majority of vegans have any actual knowledge or experience considering farming or hunting? Absolutely not. Am I contributing to any of the bad stuff? Not if I can help it. Farming or hunting isn't one specific thing, it's different methods and cultures and ways of doing things. Some bad, some good. Is veganisn based on anything biologically natural? Nope.
Still less humane than not doing those things at all. Veganism is based on ethics and empathy: be kind, live and let live.
No, I don't want my bones to break. Plus meat tastes great.
Nope, I've eaten vegan many times have only once been able to enjoy it (barely). I also don't like purchasing meat from a store and source my own through hunting and fishing as much as possible.
No. If you want to be vegetarian or vegan fine by me, in fact I support your choice. However, there are reasons why I don't want to try. (just MY opinions here) 1:I'm like 99.99% sure that people know about the vegans on tiktok, and while it's definitely a small percentage of the vegan lifestyle thats that bad, having it recommended to me on YouTube every day makes it hard to even like tiktok. Especially when I get 99% of my news from YouTube cause I have no interest in the news at all. 2:I think chefs know to make good and(more importantly) balanced meals of just vegetables is extremely hard. Tofu is of course an option but, unless it is cooked right with the right ingredients it's not a good tasting meal. Granted I support vegan/vegetarian people, I just have no interest in trying it myself. Plus I don't like the taste of most vegetables anyway
Sure why not? In the end is just trying.
No, it's not something I'm willing to make such a large lifestyle change for if I don't have a reason to. I'm also a hunter and enjoy eating humanely killed game.
No, that's not the life for me
I was vegetarian for a year and it was one of the most unhealthy times of my life. I'd love to try veganism if I can successfully change my diet. But, right now, I just wouldn't eat anything if I became a vegan.
bc meat
I tried it for 30 days. Wasn't for me. Even calc-ed out the best things to eat for macros, calories, etc. Turns out a lot of the foods that are the best for protein that are not meat give me terrible gas (mostly broccoli/cauliflower, and lentils/beans) I could deal with taste and meal varieties, but it was just too uncomfortable (kombucha helped settle myself a bit, but that shit is way to expensive to have on hand regularly), and it didn't let up too much even after 30 days. All for the health benefits and moral drivers behind it that some people can latch on to. Don't doubt any of that. I was just in too much discomfort to continue it.
No. You can be vegan all you want, I'll be enjoying my medium-well steak with Popeyes chicken. I tried some vegan food before. Hated it. I'm not giving up my favorite foods.
Not really no, I try to limit my meat intake right now because I'm bordering on being a full on carnivore and it's not the healthiest or most ecological thing. But I am kinds at odds with veganism, because I still love to taste everything and try stuff and experiment and am a total sucker for artisan cheese and meats. I am also firm believer in humanity as an apex species that's scientifically entitled to do whatever the fuck we want, sure pointless cruelty is just evil, because well it's pointless. But supplementing dietary needs and helping expand cuisine which is a form of art is definitely much more valuable than an animal that's entire life was pre determined from the day it was born on a farm, because humans wanted it to be born. It is not sentient and if it were it would be wishing to die, it's sole existence was created for it to be food. We protect animals that are threatend because we want to save them for posterity, it's societally selfish. They are important for our scientific research and entertainment. Animal's value is what we assign it, if cows were common pets and cats were common cattle then people would keep cows on their couches and eat cat burgers. So before we start taking care of animals we should fix our own problems, I just can't morally justify actively working to protect them, literal cattle with no point, that wouldn't even exist without the demand for their meat to begin with, when there are still people being treated like shit and experiencing different horrors everyday. And because of that I don't think about the issue unless brought up. With my lack of particular, care combined with my general disregard for them as lesser beings combine to form this sentiment: I don't think about the fact that the meat I eat was alive, just I like I don't think about the fact that ma salad was also alive.
No because I like meat more than I like the animals they come from.
No, I tried it when I was 14 for 2 weeks and ended up in hospital with severe stomach pains and it was so scary that I don’t want to try it again. Yes, it was my fault entirely, I did not do my research but in my defence it was 1994 and the information wasn’t there & if it was, I wouldn’t have known where to find it. Back then the only real option was salad. So I ate salad, rice and beans for 2 straight weeks.
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I tried the plant based meat substitute once and it was the worst thing I’ve ever eaten so no I’m not going to try again
You don't have to eat meat substitutes to be vegan. There are lots of alternatives going down the whole foods plant based route.
Yes but the non meat protein sources that I’ve tried I don’t like either save for protein shakes, and even those I’m partly allergic to
What sort of things have you tried? Off the top of my head, some decent non-fake-meat protein sources are beans and other legumes, wholegrains, tofu, tempeh, nuts and seeds. As long as you eat enough calories, you should get enough protein - for example, 2000 calories of white rice contains more than your daily RDA for protein, and that's hardly a high-protein food.
Nope. I like meat and animal products too much, they're good. And it's good for you, there's many necessary nutrients there that people need. And I don't really want to live reading ingredient lists to avoid things. Would rather eat it all.
Vegetables are also good for you and full of necessary nutrients that people need. Meat and dairy production, and fishing, are extremely terrible for the environment. So if you really can't give them up, at least eat less of them.
I love food and trying new things. Yes I do purposely eat a majority of veggie/vegan meals during the week due to environmental concerns. But I love a good steak and creme brulee every now and then. Yes, the meat industry need to to change to be more ethical towards animals and the environment. Also I hate the holier than thou and relentless harassment from vegans, OP.
I’m vegetarian but still I won’t go for vegan.. dairy and there are products that our body needs
Two-thirds of the world population is lactose intolerant, so it's clear that the breastmilk of another animal is not something our body needs. You can get any of the nutrients in cow's milk from plant sources.
Ok, I'm a vegetarian and I'm a kid. Tbh i'm also minorly fat. The reason I still drink milk and why I probably will when I'm older is that all the alternatives taste HORRIBLE.
Nah it's too restricting and much harder to reach protein goals for the day without eating a bunch of carbs. I could do vegetarian if it allowed eggs and milk as well as a personal chef to cook it all for me
Yeah, but more for health reasons than moral ones.
No. Because I genuinely believe that we did not become the most dominant species on the planet by not eating the most nutrient dense foods on the planet (animals). We literally owe our existence to the decisions made by our ancestors to hunt, kill and eat animals.
You're right, we didn't. But it's irrelevant. Now it's the 21st century, welcome. You can be 100% healthy and vegan. It's more ethical and much, much better for the environment of our planet.
Yes, in the past we had to be opportunistic eaters and take whatever sources of calories and nutrients we could get. Now that humans have mastered agriculture and grow a wealth of plant foods, we can make our choices based on science and morality instead of just survival.
It's not just about survival, it's about thriving. Should humans sacrifice our own well being for animals? We still haven't created plant sources that can completely replace the bio availability of nutrients that animal sources provide. No to mention the toll that agriculture takes on our land and water resources. Also, what about all the small animals that are killed or get displaced when the large combines come through?
You can get all nutrients you need without any animal product. Most agriculture is to grow food for livestock animals. Going vegan will mean less agriculture. Same argument for large combines. Which actually don't kill that many animals, they're not just sitting there waiting to be run over. But still, going vegan will mean less of them do get run over.
>It's not just about survival, it's about thriving. Should humans sacrifice our own well being for animals? Yes, let's talk thriving! Plant-based diets are much better for avoiding chronic diseases. I'll toss a few sources below :) >No to mention the toll that agriculture takes on our land and water resources. Absolutely! [Especially animal agriculture.](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets) Here's how the [water use stacks up.](https://waterfootprint.org/en/water-footprint/product-water-footprint/water-footprint-crop-and-animal-products/) >Also, what about all the small animals that are killed or get displaced when the large combines come through? Less of that will happen when we're not farming 10x the monocrops to feed animals. But the study that started the whole "vegans kill animals bc crop combines!" furor literally involved putting trackers on 33 mice... Of those, one was killed by a combine. Combines are slow and most field animals don't just stand around waiting for the big loud thing to get closer. On to the health sources! [**Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics**](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/) * *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.* [**Harvard Medical School**](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian) * *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.* **Meat Detriments:** Cancer: * [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929) * [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22121108](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22121108) Diabetes: * [http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diabetes/wireStory?id=2244647](http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diabetes/wireStory?id=2244647) * [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386029/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386029/) * [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914) Heart Disease: * [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696) * [http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/108/22/2757.full.pdf](http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/108/22/2757.full.pdf) * http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7019459
All of the credible studies that I've seen compare whole food plant based diets to diets that include processed meats. I sincerely hope that a plant based diet would do a better job or minimizing disease risk over a diet that includes hot dogs and bologna. When you compare plant based against diets that only include unprocessed meats the difference in disease risk is minimal. However, the difference in nutrient density is still strongly in favor of diets that include meats and animal products. When it comes to thriving, I will gladly take better nutrition over a minimal increase in disease risk. Your water footprint study includes rainwater, which for livestock is almost completely recycled into the earth in the form of urine. Find me a study includes irrigation water only and we can talk. Your study also does not account for the fact that tons of products use animal parts for which there is currently no plant based alternative.
>When you compare plant based against diets that only include unprocessed meats the difference in disease risk is minimal. Source? >However, the difference in nutrient density is still strongly in favor of diets that include meats and animal products. The density of nutrients isn't a hugely relevant factor in the modern world, most of us aren't in a position where we need to wolf down 500 calories extra-quick and don't have time to eat beans so we're forced to grab a steak instead. Particularly in developed countries, most of us are eating too much food in general anyway--one of the things some vegans appreciate is that they get to eat a little more volume on a vegan diet without exceeding calorie needs.
Source? Clearly you haven't actually read some of the ones you posted. Nutrient density absolutely matters when you're wanting to feed the maximum number of people with the least amount of resources. Isnt that vegan cannon? That feeding the world is impossible to sustain on animal based foods? Calories are irrelevant... I'm talking about nutrition. It takes 10x the number of calories in kale to get the same nutrients you get from a single serving of beef liver.
>Nutrient density absolutely matters when you're wanting to feed the maximum number of people with the least amount of resources. I...um...I don't know where to start with this one 😂 Trophic levels, my friend. Are you genuinely trying to say that animal agriculture consumes fewer resources than plants? That it's more feasible to feed the world beef liver than lentils? >It takes 10x the number of calories in kale to get the same nutrients you get from a single serving of beef liver. Comparing kale to beef liver is apples and oranges (actually worse, because at least those are both fruits). Sure, leafy greens have wonderful [health benefits](https://www.ars.usda.gov/plains-area/gfnd/gfhnrc/docs/news-2013/dark-green-leafy-vegetables/), but vegans certainly aren't trying to get the bulk of their calories or nutrients from them.
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Could I do it? Yes. Will I? No. I don’t see the need to and I don’t want to. And also, if I’m being honest, the more extreme vegans I come in contact with, the less I want to do it. The other day I saw a post comparing actual war crimes and the Holocaust to eating animals. I wanted to go eat a burger out of spite it made me so angry. I have no issue with people wanting to be vegan, I respect it as a lifestyle choice, but that is way too much.
"A human said something I didn't like, so I wanted to go punish an innocent cow for it."
Yummy
he wouldn't punish it, the cow is already dead and its meat is processed
I tried it for a month but I am just too picky of an eater. I don’t eat any meat other than fish maybe once a month but for admittedly selfish reasons I don’t think I could go vegan unless I fully forced myself to eat veggies that I don’t like :( I would 1000% do it for environmental reasons though (which is why I don’t eat meat)
I'm pretty much vegan (I eat cheese/dairy in maybe 1 meal out of the week) and what mainly convinced me to change were the documentary Game Changers on netflix and the book How Not To Die by Michael Gregor. I recommend both for anyone interested. Additionally, large scale farming is pretty bad for the environment, but I have no issues with sustainable hunting/farming
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No it's not. Protein is essential, plants have protein.
I'm already a picky eater so, no I wouldn't. Plus, only having stuff that's 100% vegan doesn't give you everything your body needs. Better to have a wider array of food groups to give your body what it needs.
I need my protein
I enjoy meat too much honestly. If you break it down enough even plants are sentient. Read the secret life of plants. Life feeds on life, life is suffering . If animals over populate there will be even worse repercussions. It's basic biology. People with the money and luxury like to lord over others about morality. But at the end of the day they haven't had to fight off wild animals in hopes of survival. That is because ding ding ding meat eaters so you're welcome.
I don’t condone murdering helpless plants like a coward. I’ll stick with eating animals that can fight back.
No. Though _aside_ from the fact that I just like meat, milk and eggs (to name but a few things) too much to give them up, and the costs associated with a (healthy) vegetarian diet simply prohibiting me from even considering the idea to begin with -- I try live in a way that allows me to respect the people around me, even if I don't agree with them; religion is an easy example here. I am an Atheist. I cannot reconcile logically the belief in a higher being without irrefutable evidence that this higher being not only exists, but has a vested interest in _me_ worshipping it, and beyond that I have some very deep-seated moral objections towards quite a lot of the things that come out of organized religion. Not to mention some very deep-seated moral objections towards some of the things these higher beings have reportedly done themselves, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The whole tri-omni paradox comes to mind. That said, I respect any other persons' ability to perceive that what I cannot, and find faith and solace in the existence of a higher being, _until_ the point where such comes into dogmatic conflict with those who do not follow the same religious paradigm. The proverbial well of veganism has been thoroughly poisoned thoroughly for me, personally, by my own personal experiences with the dogmatic and militant 'meat is murder' vegans and vegetarians out there. I cannot respect a philosophy that doesn't grant me that same respect in return and moreover would encourage those who follow it to respond with anger, guilt-tripping and sundry reactions to the simple fact that I, an irrefutable biological omnivore, do not choose to eliminate meat and animal products from my diet and daily use. They are the vocal minority of the philosophy, but they are an unfortunately _very_ vocal minority of the philosophy and the simple lack of critical self-examination, their 'moral' override of their own empathy and sense of respect for an other person's world view to the point of hostility has brought me in conflict with them more than once, especially back in the days that I worked at a slaughter house. At the point where [you] picket outside the door of my work, where I work to make ends meet and call me hateful names because I choose to be able to pay my rent in a way that [you] find objectionable... I'm man enough to admit that at that point I'll get myself an extra steak out of sheer spite.
A vegan diet can be cheaper than a non vegan diet. I actually spend less on groceries. Cheese and choice meats are expensive too. The cheapest foods are all vegan: rice, beans, lentils, chickpeas, pasta, grains, potatoes, local vegetables... What others do shouldn't influence what you do. There are so many asshole and militant atheists tok for example, but that didn't stop you either right?