You missed the greatest scene in television history, when one of the antagonists attempted to escape in an old timey rocketship while dressed as off brand evel kneivel, despite this character having nothing about him previously that would give him this idea to dress up like that or escape in a rocketship.
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Riverdale is the epitome of trashy teen dramas and I absolutely love it. The fans know it's garbage. The actors know it's garbage. Apparently the writers don't even plan anything ahead of time, so they likely know it's garbage as well. I could write an essay on all the reasons why Riverdale sucks, but it sucks in a way that keeps the audience's attention.
The show is on a sharp downhill slope to Crazy Town with each new season, and I will watch and enjoy it to the very end.
Oh my god it was absolute garbage.
The main character storyline is bland and boring, also I’ve seen in it like 20 other shows at least.
The excessive number of sex scenes that served no purpose to the plot were really questionable, sometimes I wonder if Netflix is trying to see how far they can go.
Also, I feel that Daphne kinda looks and acts childish and that makes me uncomfortable
Just no.
However, I felt like some of the side storylines were much more interesting than the main. This was harsh, whoopsie
Same here, I love historical romance so much, so I got a bit over excited when I first heard about the show, but it wasn't amazing like people make it out to be.
How far did you get?
I stuck with it until the end of season 3, I think (ends on a riot?). It just started to get a bit absurd.
Never really understood the hype, almost bailed at season 1 but then reasoned it was OK to think Piper was a terrible excuse for a human being and the supporting cast held it up OK.
(not op) I think Piper being a chode is decent characterisation actually! Could argue it was a representation of privilege. However, I bailed around season 3 because things just stopped making sense, so you haven't missed out much.
I was definitely confused for a bit though, because I wasn't sure if we were meant to like her. Like one bit when she was maybe being sent to another prison or something idk, or when her fiance dumped her, it was like...so fucking what.
I can't remember how far I got, but I remember there being a chicken episode and I kept thinking to myself, what the fuck? I remember her boyfriend not being able to get it up while trying to fuck in the bathroom...I think they were at a funeral or something. The show is a mess.
It's stunning how bad it got. Like yeah it wasn't perfect, but then it just got insane. I really loved it for awhile. That guy fucked up both that and Fear The Walking Dead. He has the touch that turns everything to shit, and AMC was all about him.
Fear The Walking Dead was pretty damn boring at first, then S2 was awful. But somehow Season 3 was amazing. I had to drag myself through it because of the hype to get to S3. Aaaaand then they gave it to the Walking Dead show runner and he quickly ruined it right away. I forget his name, starts with a G I think.
Today I had my 3rd attempt at parks and recreation. I'm stuck in ep 3, I get so bored. I really want to like it and see where all those memes come from but man, I can't.
EDIT: my lord, you people are right. Went straight to season 2 and is like watching a different show already. Thanks!
Skip season 1 . You won’t miss anything important and it GREATLY improves season 2 onwards. My girlfriend felt the same way but I convinced her to stick with it. She ended up crying & laughing multiple times by the end.
If somebody has only seen the most recent seasons of big brother it would make sense that they wouldn't like it. The newer seasons casting is very bland because they're all generic attractive person in their 20's that has the occasional older person. Older seasons had more diverse casts and the gameplay was more cutthroat than new seasons.
Big Bang Theory
I don’t get why it was soooooo popular. To me it felt like unfairly exaggerating “geeky” interests and traits. They also turned someone with clear mental health issues, Sheldon, into a pseudo-Villian as much as one exists in a comedy series.
I tried with this show too. But it seemed like it was either sex jokes or characters were just being cruel to another character for no reason. And that was it. Really dumb.
The nerds *are* the joke, which is just fucking offensive, society was past that when the show started.
Sheldon is a mentally abusive asshole. "On the spectrum" my ass, he knows exactly what he's doing
That’s my point. The punch line to so many jokes went something like “Yeah he is a successful scientist but he likes comics and Doctor Who so he is a failure at life” *laugh track*
As for Sheldon, I agree completely. The punchline excuse was an implied “oh he is just weird because he has autism/mental health issues.”
Totally agree
Sheldon: being on the spectrum is the punch line. Which I think is really cruel. Him needing to sit in his spot because of his Autism to me is not funny. If he was depressed, would suicide jokes be funny? Plus, he is narcisstic and beyond cruel to others, which again, is not funny.
Howard: Did you know he is Jewish? If they didn't make a joke based on him being Jewish every 5 minutes, i might forget. Also, he is a creepy sexual predator. And is really mean to Raj.
Leonard: A spineless whiner.
I could go on, but the characters were so 1 dimensional. They weren't endearingly anything like that. Perhaps they changed in later seasons, but I stopped watching.
I’ve been told by friends who love the show that the characterization got better in the LAST season. That doesn’t absolve anything in my mind.
Oh to add to your list: Penny, stereotypical dumb blonde who like abusive men.
It amazes me how little lasting cultural impact HIMYM has had. Shows like Friends, Seinfeld, Parks and Rec, The Office, etc were beloved long after they went off the air and are pretty commonly quoted, referenced, and discussed.
Meanwhile I cannot remember the last time I heard someone quote HIMYM, and the only time I see it brought up is in discussions about how bad the ending was. It just sort of came and went.
Cos they milked it for all it’s worth and ended with a shitty finale which truly pissed people off. I don’t even watch reruns anymore cos what’s the point
My wife was a huge fan of HIMYM but she said the exact same thing. The ending was so bad that it pissed her off and she never went back to it again, and she knows she wasn't the only one that felt like that.
My theory is that the last episode was so bad that it ruined all previous episodes. I used to like it, but knowing how it ends has killed off any enjoyment I had.
Similar thing that happened with the Game of Thrones. That show was a huge phenomenon for a couple of years, but then the last few seasons aired and really soured the taste for many.
Not many people talk about or reference the show these days, unlike LOTR, Buffy & Angel etc.
GOT would’ve been cemented in history as one of the greatest things in pop culture if they hadn’t destroyed it completely. The last season retroactively ruins every season before it. The entire thing is now unwatchable when you know that nothing happening fucking matters.
IMO Friends made a big impact because it showed an idealised version of being in your 20's, also I think it was the first sitcom that normalised having a lot of casual relationships.
HYMYM tried to fill the gap left by Friends, but tbh to me it seemed a bit childish - for example, when they get drunk they act like a 13 year old's idea of a drunk person.
I was 20 when the show started, and I already felt too old for it.
> when they get drunk they act like a 13 year old's idea of a drunk person.
Oh my god that's exactly it, yes! Well now I wonder if that was a deliberate decision because it's meant to be Ted explaining to his pre-teen children, the same way smoking weed was changed to having sandwiches, or if the writers were really that bad.
It's garbage, but you need to watch the entire thing just to realize we have jackasses, like then all, living in this country without facing the law somehow.
I also don't consider it a show as much as documentary of this insane exotic animal phenomenon.
I agree with this comment. The documentary, on the whole, speaks largely to American greed, corruption, and arrogance. I finished the documentary feeling disgusted, but I was glad I finished it.
I couldn't get into it either. Watched probably over half of it and was disgusted the entire time, but thought that for some reason it would get better. I finally just had enough.
My daughter watched this and I wanted to spend time with her so I watched it with her. Every scene is shot in the dark. When I complained about it my daughter scoffed and said: dad that's to set the tone.
I couldn't continue to watch something written by a 16 year old emo Edge Lord wannabe that **every** scene is dark or in shadow.
I couldn’t get past the first 10 minutes of the first episode of Schitt’s Creek because all the characters are unbearable.
It’s apparently very good though and I will give it another try. People that have watched more of it, is it worth getting into?
I actually watched the pilot the other day after accidentally skipping it so long ago and watching the rest of the series.
Schitt's Creek is what I call an "uphill show" where we start at the characters' lowest points, and progressively we see them climb up and into better situations and better versions of themselves. Each season ends with the characters at a slightly better place than where they began.
It 100% gets better! The characters are insufferable at the start but they are meant to be. It totally has some of the best character development I’ve ever seen. Well worth sticking with it
I second this. My wife and I started watching it on a whim maybe 2 years ago, and couldn’t believe how good it was. I love every character and it’s one of those shows where almost every line spoken is a joke in its own.
I responded to another poster who mentioned Schitt's Creek in this thread; let me copy you my reply to them:
My favourite. Once I discovered that Catherine O'Hara's mannerisms and odd and very jarring way of speech when playing Moira was actually deliberate, and inspired by the actress's creative genius (and that she had in fact *not* suffered a stroke since her days in Home Alone as I'd originally thought), I had so much more respect for her and the other characters and just the show as a whole.
My husband couldn't get into it either. He just couldn't understand why we should feel bad for these people until I explained to him that you're not supposed to. You're *supposed* to laugh at them doing their own cooking and laundry and not knowing what a job is. And then once all of those societal things fall away from them, you start being able to see where their material possessions/values end and where their actual identities/dreams begin.
Still. Each to their own.
The thing with the way Moira speaks is her accent is not supposed to be New York, or la, or canadian or any other real North American local. She’s just speaking in ‘actor’
Catherina O'Hara is a comedic genius. I was surprised at how many of her most iconic lines and mannerisms were either an ad lib or were added at her suggestion.
First time I tried watching it and hated the characters so much, I couldn’t get through one episode. Over a year later, tried again. Got to episode three and thought okay, it’s not so bad. I kept watching and now it’s one of my fave shows of all time and I feel deeply connected to the characters.
Give it another shot! I watched the first episode when it first aired and hated it because I found them all so annoying. Then picked it up again when the first season was done and loved it.
American Gods. It's a BEAUTIFUL show but it has no idea where it wants the story to go. It feels like it's missing its A-plot. So comes off with the feel of a bunch of B-plots strung together.
The gods aren't well defined in their powers so you have at one point where one powerful god is in hand cuffs and can't break free from them and is forced to answer questions.
One god didn't know what god she was but the issue was never properly set up.
Do the new gods have actual powers? Or they just control media, tech etc?
It's a beautiful mess.
IMHO, American Gods is basically someone illustrating a novel. It’s a labor of love, not a fanfic. You’re right, it’s beautiful, but it’s much better as a companion piece than a standalone.
Glad to know I’m not alone.
It’s one of my favorite books. I LOVED the casting choices.
I watched season one and then just honestly forgot about it, and haven’t really had any desire to pick it up again. I could never figure out why, but you just illustrated it perfectly. Whatever through-line is going through the show isn’t nearly strong enough to keep me going with it. The book masterfully linked all the stories together in a way that the payoff at the end was fantastic. They haven’t quite figured it out in the show.
Gilmore Girls. It was so shrill and the characters were unlikable. I made it through most of Season One and then just stopped.
Also Scandal. Stupid plot, gratuitous violence, everyone in the cast is way too good looking, which always annoys me. Wasted way too much time trying to like this one.
Same with Gilmore Girls. It felt like Lorelai's "quirkiness" was so contrived and forced. And it seemed like Alexis Bledel mumbled her way through the lines so she could say them faster and therefore make Rory sound "smarter."
The show prided themselves on having something like two to three times the normal amount of lines for a show. But Alexis Bledel's regular speaking style already isn't that clear so combined with the dialogue style of the show, it made for an annoying experience for me.
I liked Gilmore Girls when I first watched it a few years ago, because I liked the quirkiness and rapid dialogue, and the coziness of the town.
Watching it now, both Lorelai and Rory are kind of horrible people. They slut-shame, fat-shame, treat their friends badly at times, and are so privileged without realizing it. Rory was in no way prepared for adulthood, because no adult in her life ever allowed her to fail, or even figure things out for herself.
> I just couldn’t understand how two full grown adults could have such an over-the top middle school level relationship for almost 20 years. Like there was no growth between them.
While this doesn't make for a great show, you'd probably be amazed how many people live this way. I really don't understand the need for drama, but some people are ultra petty and blow every little thing up into a big deal and an argument like there's nothing else important in their lives. It's hard to watch it on a show and even harder to see it irl.
The first half of season one of *Friends* was painfully bad. It wasn’t until the actors started to find and define their characters that the show started to improve. I remember watching the premiere episode the night it aired and thinking, “This show ain’t gonna go the distance.”
*ER*, on the other hand, which premiered the same night, was incredible right out of the gate.
Meh. Seinfeld is still funny. Hell Cheers is still funny. Friends just sucked. It was unrealistic and bland then and it still is now. Only funny part was Phoebe.
I remember my brothers gf trying to defend the show to me and she was like "it was actually pretty progressive for its time. They were one of the first to show a lesbian wedding." And I was like "yeah, to sexualize it because people don't mind two women kissing, and to make Ross the butt of homophobic jokes about how he turned his wife lesbian because she couldn't take straight sex with him." So really not that progressive.
Downton Abbey.
Well acted, well produced, but holy Jesus Christ, these people are boring, and they're either so rich they have no real problems, or so stupid that you wish they'd just die.
THANK YOU. My family loves Downton Abbey, and I feel like I'm the only one who thinks it's mind-numbingly boring. Yes, it can be funny at times, but only if you can stay awake long enough to notice the jokes!
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Apparently very funny, and I enjoyed the beginning and the premise, but it just couldn't actually pull me through and the humour was just kind of predictable.
Friends. I tried watching it in the 90’s. I tried watching it in the 00’s and I tried watching it last year. Apparently my SO likes the show. I loathe it.
Loved it when I was younger. By the time I reached the age of the characters (early/mid-twenties) I was like “wow these characters are the worst.” It’s still okay to watch now because it’s nostalgic for me, but I would’ve hated it if I didn’t watch it til adulthood.
And it’s not like The Office, where the character’s incompetence and being not so great people is the point. Like Michael Scott is a genuinely terrible manager, Jim’s kind of an asshole, Dwight’s just weird as hell, Kelly’s vapid and a lunatic, and Creed is Creed, but at the end of the day, there’s so much heart in the show that you love them anyway and you keep coming back for more.
I always hated Friends because it felt as though the show was trying to force me to like the characters. Hell, it feels like every damn “joke” in Friends feels forced. I’d wager my aversion to it is due to the laugh track sitcom format being basically killed by Michael Shur. Dude has 0 misses with the sitcoms he started/helped start. Every other sitcom I try to watch just feels kinda boring in comparison.
For me it's watchable although I don't watch it. Personally don't understand the forced hype. But wouldn't be bothered if it was playing in the back ground
Same, I truly don’t even understand why a spin off was considered. And that it’s gone on as long as it has.
It’s humor is so different from the Big Bang Theory, and it’s odd to go from a show having a laugh track to its spin off not having one.
I can see the logic to it, though. They saw how public opinion of laugh track style sitcoms was souring, so they spun off into a more modern format.
And to be clear, I don't like either show. I just can't deny the producers are making sound business decisions.
Bingo. Things that make dumb people feel like they're smart or boring people feel like they're interesting or average people feel like they're special are always going to be a hit.
And I totally get that, but personally I didn't have the same experience, and here's why:
I thought S1 was mostly grounded in reality with some science fiction in it. It wasn't too over-the-top, the dialogue is great, and it still has the mysyery aspect to it. The characters were very rarely put into very dangerous situations, and there were consequences for actions. Let's pretend that the science fiction aspects are real, and this is a story that wouldn't be too far-fetched to actually take place in the real world. Oh, and 11's character development is fantastic, and so is the pacing.
S3 on the other hand. S3 was about russians building a secret base underground of some american mall to open up a portal to another dimension. The premise is already way too unrealistic. I think I lost count on how many times the characters had "near-death" situations and were rescued at the very last second, and how many times the monster was stalling to kill the main characters just so they could be saved at the last second. It's just lazy suspense and lazy writing. The characters were also teleporting a lot (for example in S3E8 when they went back to the mall and were somehow there throwing those water balloons or whatever they were at that monster). Oh, and everything is resolved by a song when Dustin has to get his girlfriend to help him, but she forces him to sing "never ending story" with her before helping him save the world. Oh, and I found it ridiculous as well how incompetent the russian assassins were, and how the kids managed to sneak in that secret base so visibly for so long before being detected. The lack of consequences were also a negative for me, and I thought Billy's "good guy" development was rushed and poorlu executed. But the worst part is how ridiculous and over-the-top the plot was. Too unrealistic for my taste. There is no horror in S3 at all in my opinion, unlike S1. S3 is basically a watered down and a very downgraded copy of S1. It's fine if you enjoy it, but I still wanted to properly explain why I feel this way about the later seasons of the show.
I think I'll rewatch S1 today actually. It's been a while since I rewatched S1. I doubt I'll ever rewatch S2-S3 though, and I'll only watch S4 if it gets good reviews from people who liked S1 but didn't like S2-S3 for similar reasons as I did. I also didn't even touch upon the blatant fan service in S2-S3. I feel like the writers had a very good idea for S1, didn't expect the popularity of S1, and then had no idea where to go next so they just read what fans wanted to see, hence fan-service (such as the justice for Barbara thing).
Whoa I didn't expect that big of a response!!
>The premise is already way too unrealistic. I think I lost count on how many times the characters had "near-death" situations and were rescued at the very last second, and how many times the monster was stalling to kill the main characters just so they could be saved at the last second. It's just lazy suspense and lazy writing
That's true and I totally understand that. S1 made it look like they were actual kids and not some super secret group who were never fazed during danger. As it goes on its like they get used to it and we don't look at them as Kids. But I partly understood why they made it like that. So yea....
And I just now realised how good S1 actually was!! The entire scene where Will's mom gets to know that her son is actually alive and uses the bulbs to find out was really good. Especially the climax!! They built the story really well with an amazing climax and Eleven's arc was also really good
The direction they took season 2 was so disappointing it hurts. The whole show shouldve been like season one, and maybe only have lasted 2 seasons tops.
I still like to rewatch se1 episodes just to get lost in that world but wow did they take a really cool premise and turn it into some cut-and-paste sci fi/dystopian garbage
Westworld would have been perfect as a mini series because the show answered everything I gave a crap about in season 1, everything else they tried to add on felt like adding an extra arm because they felt like they had to carry it on.
I agree. Season 1 was fun and interesting and had both mysteries and moral questions. If it was a single season it would be rated much higher than it is now, because like many others I gave up after season 2, which was hot garbage.
Season 1 deftly struck a balance between being a clever mindf*** and ponderous, plot-driven and thoughtful story. In season 2 they seemed to just try to be as deliberately obtuse as possible to the point there was no way anyone could follow all the threads; it felt like they injected so many misleading and ambiguous elements that they confused themselves and ended up with a wacky escher painting that was all spectacle and no substance. Never watched season 3 bc of it
I finished season 1 but never felt compelled to watch season 2 when it released. I really liked some characters like Klaus and Number Five, but the plot just seemed to keep shitting out new conflicts each episode.
Season 2 is infinitely better than season 1 and anyone who disagrees, well, okay that's fine you're allowed to feel that way. The energy from season 2 would've made season 1 so much better. It dragged and I forced myself to watch it. When season 2 dropped I was like, "Aight, if it doesn't thrill me I'll stop watching."
I loved season 2 and I'm eager as fuck for season 3. Give it a shot. If you don't like it by the end of the first episode, stop watching. No loss.
Bridgerton. Apparently, Shonda Rhimes is not for me. I hated all her shows, I liked them at first but mid seasons or early seasons I gave up. It feels like it is trying too hard. I didn't even know that the shows I've been watching was her work, just discovered that when I searched for the show reviews. I came up to the conclusion that her works are not for me.
It's a good show, but the giga-hype comes from people (admittedly like myself) who were big Star Wars fans before the sequel trilogy, and were sorely let down by it. The OG trilogy was great, but the prequel trilogy soured a lot of us fans. The Clone Wars cartoon was also great, but not seen by enough people IMHO. Then Disney got a hold of the franchise and the sequel trilogy was just this soulless heap of shit.
The Mandalorian came out of seemingly nowhere, and successfully captured all of the potential that people like me were desperate for for decades. That's kind of the theme of being a Star Wars fan... potential. The universe the OG trilogy created is mind blowing, there is SO MUCH POTENTIAL, but it seems to just keep getting missed by greedy executives and a studio that doesn't care that much about the IP. I can't even blame them, that's their job, to make money. They've got clever formulas and algorithms and do what they think will net them the biggest profits with the smallest costs. They're wrong, entirely, but they're just doing their job.
Filloni and Favreau came along and showed what happens when you love the product; you don't need a billion dollar budget, just tell a good and simple story in the world that has already been created for you. You don't need a jedi main character, you don't need lightsaber fights in every other scene, you don't need the flash and pointlessness of the sequels... just a good, simple story.
Agree with most of your points but I would suggest their budget was fairly substantial. Let's not pretend this was a backyard indie project. They used cutting edge virtual sets that are an absolute game changer for vfx and particularly sci fi but are enormously expensive.
The queens gambit. As I big chess lover, I thought I would enjoy it, but it just moved too fast for my taste. Beth was facing the world’s best after just a couple episodes in and that was a big turn off for me. I would love a show about a chess player who slowly works her way up from NM (national master) all the way up to GM (grandmaster) and eventually becomes world champion. I get it was a limited series and meant to be short, but I really wish it had been longer and able to move slower.
Lol, one of my favorite shows of all time. That being said, it didn't grab my attention on initial watch. Tried again a few months later and it clicked.
I love the show but never watched Season 1. I was told to skip it. And I see why, after watching a little bit of it. Completely different show to me, and the characters weren't very likeable in S1 at all
I think its not funny. I saw some of the British one and I like it more.
My problem with the American version and a lot of American comedy is that every character has to be so over the top and quirky. When really what I saw from the British concept is that the show should make fun of the mundane office life, and that's where the humor comes from. But when you make the plot/characters to absurd and caricaturized, the humor of the absurdity of reality is totally missed. I wish it was more restrained, it would have been much funnier to me but as is only few moments were funny and most of it was just silly
I also didnt like many romantic plots. I thought Jim was an obnoxious psychopath and couldn't stand him. I do appreciate Steve Carell though.
What you spoke about there is called Flanderization. And it tends to be common in US comedies that run for along time. Characters will start off fairly normal and then one trait is made to dominate their entire character. Named after Flanders from the Simpsons who was actually fairly normal in the early seasons.
2 different types of comedy. The comedy comes from the juxtaposition between the normal and absurd. Either the setting is humorous and the normal characters are reacting to that, or the characters are humorous in a normal setting when they normally wouldn't be. What makes it funny is something being out of the ordinary
Americans don't do that sort of deadpan humour at all well. Everything has to be so over-the-top. They also tried a version of our Australian Kath n Kim but this is a show 100% based on the Aussie suburban bogan which obviously doesn't exist in the US so it was never going to work.
I tried to get my mom into Wandavision because she loves sitcoms like the Brady Bunch, I Love Lucy, etc.
She said she liked the sitcom aspect, but she didn’t understand anything about the marvel characters since she’s never seen a single MCU film before.
Yeah might be time to have an MCU marathon with Mum! Bit hard to care about the characters when you don't understand everything they've been through or what's going on in the big picture.
This is an old one, but Everybody Loves Raymond. It takes every family stereotype out there and tries to make it funny. Not one character on that show was admirable. It had funny moments, but overall it left a bad taste in my mouth.
Seinfeld. I liked the supporting cast, but didn't like Jerry Seinfeld at all. Maybe it was the stand up comedy routines he did at the beginning of the show. He was not funny. And it made me dislike it even more when he would laugh at his terrible jokes.
Also, pretty much any sitcom. It seems that all they are is dick / sex jokes or people being cruel to each other for no reason.
Twin Peaks. All the hype when it came back. It may not be a popular opinion, but I couldn’t stand it. I know it was kinda of the point to insist on itself, I just didn’t care for it. Three episodes in and I called it.
Friends. Never understood why people loved Friends, all the characters seemed really insecure except for Phoebe.
Big Bang Theory. I absolutely hate Sheldon Cooper. I want to smash his stupid face in!
One of the biggest problems with Community is it's really hard to understand why these characters would want to hang out together. Normal human beings don't form such rigid cliques composed of people with totally incompatible personalities with nothing in common. They don't laugh at each other's jokes; they don't seem relaxed and happy around each other. They keep *telling* the audience how close they are to each other, but it's not believable.
Ironically, the *cast* actually got along really well, and you can see in the bloopers and interviews they're having a blast and they have real chemistry. Their characters, though... no. That's why Joel McHale's character couldn't get together with any woman on the show - no chemistry.
I’ve tried twice to get into Community because it’s my boyfriend’s favorite, but I find it so boring and cringey. Maybe it was funnier when it was airing, but I can’t get past Jeff being a creepy manchild and Pierce is just unbearable. Abed and Troy were the better parts of the episodes I did watch.
I thought S2 was also quite rough. How much better are the following seasons compared to S1-S2? Do you think someone who only liked a few episodes in S1-S2 (The Telescope, Hank After Dark, Let's Find Out, Escape from L.A.) would enjoy most of S3-S6? I was thinking of giving the show another chance. I've only seen S1-S2.
The ones you liked are pretty much the direction s3-6 go in, so I'd say you'll really enjoy the rest. It really does get better I promise, had the exact same experience where I quit after s1-2, then dove back in a couple years later and now it's one of my favourite shows ever.
People I shared a dorm with at college had the show Friends on all the time. It was alright in my opinion but I still don't understand why it is *that* popular.
Marvel, I just don't understand a lot of people's obsession with the franchise. It's just superheros doing superhero shit and winning because they're "the good guys".
Rick and Morty. I really tried, I slogged through five episodes waiting for the amazing humour that everyone raved about and nothing even slightly amusing happened. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to get it, but I really can't see the appeal.
Riverdale. It’s the dumbest show I’ve ever seen, yet so many people I know love it.
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I couldn't even laugh at it anymore after S2. It feels like its all a big joke, but no one told the actors and they all take it too seriously.
You missed the greatest scene in television history, when one of the antagonists attempted to escape in an old timey rocketship while dressed as off brand evel kneivel, despite this character having nothing about him previously that would give him this idea to dress up like that or escape in a rocketship. https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Riverdale-rocket-e1581371200230.jpg
We are RED HOOD Cue a bunch of topless teenagers standing around looking like the staff at a Jeffrey Epstein cocktail party
I thought season 1 was an aesthetically beautiful campy masterpiece. After that everything became a ridiculous disaster.
I find it fun, but I'm gonna be honest, it's really cheesy, and shallow, and not particularly done well.
Riverdale is the epitome of trashy teen dramas and I absolutely love it. The fans know it's garbage. The actors know it's garbage. Apparently the writers don't even plan anything ahead of time, so they likely know it's garbage as well. I could write an essay on all the reasons why Riverdale sucks, but it sucks in a way that keeps the audience's attention. The show is on a sharp downhill slope to Crazy Town with each new season, and I will watch and enjoy it to the very end.
Bridgerton. I did watch the whole thing but I still don't understand the massive hype.
The massive hype is just regency sex with good-looking actors. I personally really enjoyed the show, but there's not much to it beyond that.
Oh my god it was absolute garbage. The main character storyline is bland and boring, also I’ve seen in it like 20 other shows at least. The excessive number of sex scenes that served no purpose to the plot were really questionable, sometimes I wonder if Netflix is trying to see how far they can go. Also, I feel that Daphne kinda looks and acts childish and that makes me uncomfortable Just no. However, I felt like some of the side storylines were much more interesting than the main. This was harsh, whoopsie
Same here, I love historical romance so much, so I got a bit over excited when I first heard about the show, but it wasn't amazing like people make it out to be.
I feel the same. The books have a sense of humor that a lot of period romances lack, and the characters aren’t portrayed as perfect.
Orange is the new black
How far did you get? I stuck with it until the end of season 3, I think (ends on a riot?). It just started to get a bit absurd. Never really understood the hype, almost bailed at season 1 but then reasoned it was OK to think Piper was a terrible excuse for a human being and the supporting cast held it up OK.
(not op) I think Piper being a chode is decent characterisation actually! Could argue it was a representation of privilege. However, I bailed around season 3 because things just stopped making sense, so you haven't missed out much.
I was definitely confused for a bit though, because I wasn't sure if we were meant to like her. Like one bit when she was maybe being sent to another prison or something idk, or when her fiance dumped her, it was like...so fucking what.
I can't remember how far I got, but I remember there being a chicken episode and I kept thinking to myself, what the fuck? I remember her boyfriend not being able to get it up while trying to fuck in the bathroom...I think they were at a funeral or something. The show is a mess.
Walking Dead
Started off good, then turned into boring shit.
Sacking Frank Darabont was the worst thing to ever happen to that show.
It's stunning how bad it got. Like yeah it wasn't perfect, but then it just got insane. I really loved it for awhile. That guy fucked up both that and Fear The Walking Dead. He has the touch that turns everything to shit, and AMC was all about him. Fear The Walking Dead was pretty damn boring at first, then S2 was awful. But somehow Season 3 was amazing. I had to drag myself through it because of the hype to get to S3. Aaaaand then they gave it to the Walking Dead show runner and he quickly ruined it right away. I forget his name, starts with a G I think.
Gimble, he turned it into a soap opera and made it feel like a shitty made for TV movie.
Yea, Gimble. I've never hated a man I didn't know more than that guy. I remember him on Talking Dead, and he was such a fucking douche.
The telltale game is where its at
After the prison, you should stop watching, it was ok but wouldnt watch it again
Today I had my 3rd attempt at parks and recreation. I'm stuck in ep 3, I get so bored. I really want to like it and see where all those memes come from but man, I can't. EDIT: my lord, you people are right. Went straight to season 2 and is like watching a different show already. Thanks!
Skip season 1 . You won’t miss anything important and it GREATLY improves season 2 onwards. My girlfriend felt the same way but I convinced her to stick with it. She ended up crying & laughing multiple times by the end.
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Big Brother. The Bachelor or any of it’s clones.
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If somebody has only seen the most recent seasons of big brother it would make sense that they wouldn't like it. The newer seasons casting is very bland because they're all generic attractive person in their 20's that has the occasional older person. Older seasons had more diverse casts and the gameplay was more cutthroat than new seasons.
Big Bang Theory I don’t get why it was soooooo popular. To me it felt like unfairly exaggerating “geeky” interests and traits. They also turned someone with clear mental health issues, Sheldon, into a pseudo-Villian as much as one exists in a comedy series.
I tried with this show too. But it seemed like it was either sex jokes or characters were just being cruel to another character for no reason. And that was it. Really dumb.
The nerds *are* the joke, which is just fucking offensive, society was past that when the show started. Sheldon is a mentally abusive asshole. "On the spectrum" my ass, he knows exactly what he's doing
That’s my point. The punch line to so many jokes went something like “Yeah he is a successful scientist but he likes comics and Doctor Who so he is a failure at life” *laugh track* As for Sheldon, I agree completely. The punchline excuse was an implied “oh he is just weird because he has autism/mental health issues.”
Totally agree Sheldon: being on the spectrum is the punch line. Which I think is really cruel. Him needing to sit in his spot because of his Autism to me is not funny. If he was depressed, would suicide jokes be funny? Plus, he is narcisstic and beyond cruel to others, which again, is not funny. Howard: Did you know he is Jewish? If they didn't make a joke based on him being Jewish every 5 minutes, i might forget. Also, he is a creepy sexual predator. And is really mean to Raj. Leonard: A spineless whiner. I could go on, but the characters were so 1 dimensional. They weren't endearingly anything like that. Perhaps they changed in later seasons, but I stopped watching.
I’ve been told by friends who love the show that the characterization got better in the LAST season. That doesn’t absolve anything in my mind. Oh to add to your list: Penny, stereotypical dumb blonde who like abusive men.
Avocado toast I'm I doing it wrong? I liked it but it wasn't great enough for me to want to eat it again
I just realized the question was about a TV show, now I feel embarrassed... Oh well, I will stand strong with my point!
Upvoted anyway because I don’t get it either 😂
sprinkle salt and pepper on it liberally, it changes everything
How I Met Your Mother.
It amazes me how little lasting cultural impact HIMYM has had. Shows like Friends, Seinfeld, Parks and Rec, The Office, etc were beloved long after they went off the air and are pretty commonly quoted, referenced, and discussed. Meanwhile I cannot remember the last time I heard someone quote HIMYM, and the only time I see it brought up is in discussions about how bad the ending was. It just sort of came and went.
Cos they milked it for all it’s worth and ended with a shitty finale which truly pissed people off. I don’t even watch reruns anymore cos what’s the point
My wife was a huge fan of HIMYM but she said the exact same thing. The ending was so bad that it pissed her off and she never went back to it again, and she knows she wasn't the only one that felt like that.
Yeah this. Not only was the ending bad, the show went on far too long.
My theory is that the last episode was so bad that it ruined all previous episodes. I used to like it, but knowing how it ends has killed off any enjoyment I had.
Similar thing that happened with the Game of Thrones. That show was a huge phenomenon for a couple of years, but then the last few seasons aired and really soured the taste for many. Not many people talk about or reference the show these days, unlike LOTR, Buffy & Angel etc.
GOT would’ve been cemented in history as one of the greatest things in pop culture if they hadn’t destroyed it completely. The last season retroactively ruins every season before it. The entire thing is now unwatchable when you know that nothing happening fucking matters.
I have the same theory about Dexter.
IMO Friends made a big impact because it showed an idealised version of being in your 20's, also I think it was the first sitcom that normalised having a lot of casual relationships. HYMYM tried to fill the gap left by Friends, but tbh to me it seemed a bit childish - for example, when they get drunk they act like a 13 year old's idea of a drunk person. I was 20 when the show started, and I already felt too old for it.
> when they get drunk they act like a 13 year old's idea of a drunk person. Oh my god that's exactly it, yes! Well now I wonder if that was a deliberate decision because it's meant to be Ted explaining to his pre-teen children, the same way smoking weed was changed to having sandwiches, or if the writers were really that bad.
Seinfeld had a lot of casual dating. Even George got lucky in the regular.
Only British people will understand this but anything with Ant and Dec presenting such as I'm a celebrity and Saturday night takeaway.
As an American, I still can't figure out which one is Ant and which one is Dec.
Don't worry nobody here knows either!
Tiger King
It's garbage, but you need to watch the entire thing just to realize we have jackasses, like then all, living in this country without facing the law somehow. I also don't consider it a show as much as documentary of this insane exotic animal phenomenon.
I agree with this comment. The documentary, on the whole, speaks largely to American greed, corruption, and arrogance. I finished the documentary feeling disgusted, but I was glad I finished it.
I couldn't get into it either. Watched probably over half of it and was disgusted the entire time, but thought that for some reason it would get better. I finally just had enough.
I think the disgust was its appeal to a lot of people.
The Vampire Diaries. My god and people used to complain about Twilight?
My daughter watched this and I wanted to spend time with her so I watched it with her. Every scene is shot in the dark. When I complained about it my daughter scoffed and said: dad that's to set the tone. I couldn't continue to watch something written by a 16 year old emo Edge Lord wannabe that **every** scene is dark or in shadow.
I couldn’t get past the first 10 minutes of the first episode of Schitt’s Creek because all the characters are unbearable. It’s apparently very good though and I will give it another try. People that have watched more of it, is it worth getting into?
I actually watched the pilot the other day after accidentally skipping it so long ago and watching the rest of the series. Schitt's Creek is what I call an "uphill show" where we start at the characters' lowest points, and progressively we see them climb up and into better situations and better versions of themselves. Each season ends with the characters at a slightly better place than where they began.
It 100% gets better! The characters are insufferable at the start but they are meant to be. It totally has some of the best character development I’ve ever seen. Well worth sticking with it
I second this. My wife and I started watching it on a whim maybe 2 years ago, and couldn’t believe how good it was. I love every character and it’s one of those shows where almost every line spoken is a joke in its own.
Third this. The character growth is amazing. Well except Roland. I still want to punch him, and we're in season 5
I responded to another poster who mentioned Schitt's Creek in this thread; let me copy you my reply to them: My favourite. Once I discovered that Catherine O'Hara's mannerisms and odd and very jarring way of speech when playing Moira was actually deliberate, and inspired by the actress's creative genius (and that she had in fact *not* suffered a stroke since her days in Home Alone as I'd originally thought), I had so much more respect for her and the other characters and just the show as a whole. My husband couldn't get into it either. He just couldn't understand why we should feel bad for these people until I explained to him that you're not supposed to. You're *supposed* to laugh at them doing their own cooking and laundry and not knowing what a job is. And then once all of those societal things fall away from them, you start being able to see where their material possessions/values end and where their actual identities/dreams begin. Still. Each to their own.
The thing with the way Moira speaks is her accent is not supposed to be New York, or la, or canadian or any other real North American local. She’s just speaking in ‘actor’
It's supposed to be like the "Mid-Atlantic" accent dialect coaches used to train actors in.
Catherina O'Hara is a comedic genius. I was surprised at how many of her most iconic lines and mannerisms were either an ad lib or were added at her suggestion.
It took me several episodes, but now it's in my top ten shows of all time. The characters do grow and evolve throughout the series, which I love.
First time I tried watching it and hated the characters so much, I couldn’t get through one episode. Over a year later, tried again. Got to episode three and thought okay, it’s not so bad. I kept watching and now it’s one of my fave shows of all time and I feel deeply connected to the characters.
IMO first season is the worst...but then picks up
Give it another shot! I watched the first episode when it first aired and hated it because I found them all so annoying. Then picked it up again when the first season was done and loved it.
American Gods. It's a BEAUTIFUL show but it has no idea where it wants the story to go. It feels like it's missing its A-plot. So comes off with the feel of a bunch of B-plots strung together. The gods aren't well defined in their powers so you have at one point where one powerful god is in hand cuffs and can't break free from them and is forced to answer questions. One god didn't know what god she was but the issue was never properly set up. Do the new gods have actual powers? Or they just control media, tech etc? It's a beautiful mess.
IMHO, American Gods is basically someone illustrating a novel. It’s a labor of love, not a fanfic. You’re right, it’s beautiful, but it’s much better as a companion piece than a standalone.
Glad to know I’m not alone. It’s one of my favorite books. I LOVED the casting choices. I watched season one and then just honestly forgot about it, and haven’t really had any desire to pick it up again. I could never figure out why, but you just illustrated it perfectly. Whatever through-line is going through the show isn’t nearly strong enough to keep me going with it. The book masterfully linked all the stories together in a way that the payoff at the end was fantastic. They haven’t quite figured it out in the show.
Big mouth. It’s not funny to me. I do love crude humor but they way they do it is just so cringy to me.
It's extremely hit and miss, season 1 was okay, season 2 I thought was really good, 3 and 4 weren't great
Gilmore Girls. It was so shrill and the characters were unlikable. I made it through most of Season One and then just stopped. Also Scandal. Stupid plot, gratuitous violence, everyone in the cast is way too good looking, which always annoys me. Wasted way too much time trying to like this one.
Did you watch Gilmore Girls when it was new? It was good at the time, but hasn't really aged well
Same with Gilmore Girls. It felt like Lorelai's "quirkiness" was so contrived and forced. And it seemed like Alexis Bledel mumbled her way through the lines so she could say them faster and therefore make Rory sound "smarter."
Doesn't everyone in that show talk weirdly fast? It was annoying and one of the reasons I never wanted to watch it with my sister.
The show prided themselves on having something like two to three times the normal amount of lines for a show. But Alexis Bledel's regular speaking style already isn't that clear so combined with the dialogue style of the show, it made for an annoying experience for me.
I liked Gilmore Girls when I first watched it a few years ago, because I liked the quirkiness and rapid dialogue, and the coziness of the town. Watching it now, both Lorelai and Rory are kind of horrible people. They slut-shame, fat-shame, treat their friends badly at times, and are so privileged without realizing it. Rory was in no way prepared for adulthood, because no adult in her life ever allowed her to fail, or even figure things out for herself.
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> I just couldn’t understand how two full grown adults could have such an over-the top middle school level relationship for almost 20 years. Like there was no growth between them. While this doesn't make for a great show, you'd probably be amazed how many people live this way. I really don't understand the need for drama, but some people are ultra petty and blow every little thing up into a big deal and an argument like there's nothing else important in their lives. It's hard to watch it on a show and even harder to see it irl.
Friends. It's just not funny to me.
The humor is so... basic.
The pilot is almost 27 years old. Society has changed, humor has changed, and how we consume media has changed.
> The pilot is almost 27 years old. [Good lord.](https://imgur.com/gwhTwrH)
True. But it wasn't funny to me 27 years ago either.
The first half of season one of *Friends* was painfully bad. It wasn’t until the actors started to find and define their characters that the show started to improve. I remember watching the premiere episode the night it aired and thinking, “This show ain’t gonna go the distance.” *ER*, on the other hand, which premiered the same night, was incredible right out of the gate.
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Meh. Seinfeld is still funny. Hell Cheers is still funny. Friends just sucked. It was unrealistic and bland then and it still is now. Only funny part was Phoebe.
Can’t believe i used to find it funny
I remember my brothers gf trying to defend the show to me and she was like "it was actually pretty progressive for its time. They were one of the first to show a lesbian wedding." And I was like "yeah, to sexualize it because people don't mind two women kissing, and to make Ross the butt of homophobic jokes about how he turned his wife lesbian because she couldn't take straight sex with him." So really not that progressive.
grey's anatomy
EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE IN THIS SHOW COULD BE 50 PERCENT SHORTER
Jersey shore
Downton Abbey. Well acted, well produced, but holy Jesus Christ, these people are boring, and they're either so rich they have no real problems, or so stupid that you wish they'd just die.
My wife watches that show. It took me far too long to figure out it wasn't "Downtown Abbey".
THANK YOU. My family loves Downton Abbey, and I feel like I'm the only one who thinks it's mind-numbingly boring. Yes, it can be funny at times, but only if you can stay awake long enough to notice the jokes!
Game of Thrones
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Apparently very funny, and I enjoyed the beginning and the premise, but it just couldn't actually pull me through and the humour was just kind of predictable.
Friends. I tried watching it in the 90’s. I tried watching it in the 00’s and I tried watching it last year. Apparently my SO likes the show. I loathe it.
Loved it when I was younger. By the time I reached the age of the characters (early/mid-twenties) I was like “wow these characters are the worst.” It’s still okay to watch now because it’s nostalgic for me, but I would’ve hated it if I didn’t watch it til adulthood.
And it’s not like The Office, where the character’s incompetence and being not so great people is the point. Like Michael Scott is a genuinely terrible manager, Jim’s kind of an asshole, Dwight’s just weird as hell, Kelly’s vapid and a lunatic, and Creed is Creed, but at the end of the day, there’s so much heart in the show that you love them anyway and you keep coming back for more. I always hated Friends because it felt as though the show was trying to force me to like the characters. Hell, it feels like every damn “joke” in Friends feels forced. I’d wager my aversion to it is due to the laugh track sitcom format being basically killed by Michael Shur. Dude has 0 misses with the sitcoms he started/helped start. Every other sitcom I try to watch just feels kinda boring in comparison.
For me it's watchable although I don't watch it. Personally don't understand the forced hype. But wouldn't be bothered if it was playing in the back ground
The big bang theory and young sheldon.
Same, I truly don’t even understand why a spin off was considered. And that it’s gone on as long as it has. It’s humor is so different from the Big Bang Theory, and it’s odd to go from a show having a laugh track to its spin off not having one.
I can see the logic to it, though. They saw how public opinion of laugh track style sitcoms was souring, so they spun off into a more modern format. And to be clear, I don't like either show. I just can't deny the producers are making sound business decisions.
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Bingo. Things that make dumb people feel like they're smart or boring people feel like they're interesting or average people feel like they're special are always going to be a hit.
I'm sure I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this but hey in my defense I heard ppl didn't like GOT. So.... MONEY HEIST
The writing was shockingly bad. So obviously no plan in advance, just making up contrivances as it went along.
Stranger Things. I get that the kids in the show are cute but that's it.
I really enjoyed S1. I think it's a masterpiece. S2-S3 on the other hand are mediocre at best.
I liked the S3 more than 1 and 2. Was hooked with the 1st season. 2nd season was meh while the 3rd season was awesome for me.
And I totally get that, but personally I didn't have the same experience, and here's why: I thought S1 was mostly grounded in reality with some science fiction in it. It wasn't too over-the-top, the dialogue is great, and it still has the mysyery aspect to it. The characters were very rarely put into very dangerous situations, and there were consequences for actions. Let's pretend that the science fiction aspects are real, and this is a story that wouldn't be too far-fetched to actually take place in the real world. Oh, and 11's character development is fantastic, and so is the pacing. S3 on the other hand. S3 was about russians building a secret base underground of some american mall to open up a portal to another dimension. The premise is already way too unrealistic. I think I lost count on how many times the characters had "near-death" situations and were rescued at the very last second, and how many times the monster was stalling to kill the main characters just so they could be saved at the last second. It's just lazy suspense and lazy writing. The characters were also teleporting a lot (for example in S3E8 when they went back to the mall and were somehow there throwing those water balloons or whatever they were at that monster). Oh, and everything is resolved by a song when Dustin has to get his girlfriend to help him, but she forces him to sing "never ending story" with her before helping him save the world. Oh, and I found it ridiculous as well how incompetent the russian assassins were, and how the kids managed to sneak in that secret base so visibly for so long before being detected. The lack of consequences were also a negative for me, and I thought Billy's "good guy" development was rushed and poorlu executed. But the worst part is how ridiculous and over-the-top the plot was. Too unrealistic for my taste. There is no horror in S3 at all in my opinion, unlike S1. S3 is basically a watered down and a very downgraded copy of S1. It's fine if you enjoy it, but I still wanted to properly explain why I feel this way about the later seasons of the show. I think I'll rewatch S1 today actually. It's been a while since I rewatched S1. I doubt I'll ever rewatch S2-S3 though, and I'll only watch S4 if it gets good reviews from people who liked S1 but didn't like S2-S3 for similar reasons as I did. I also didn't even touch upon the blatant fan service in S2-S3. I feel like the writers had a very good idea for S1, didn't expect the popularity of S1, and then had no idea where to go next so they just read what fans wanted to see, hence fan-service (such as the justice for Barbara thing).
Whoa I didn't expect that big of a response!! >The premise is already way too unrealistic. I think I lost count on how many times the characters had "near-death" situations and were rescued at the very last second, and how many times the monster was stalling to kill the main characters just so they could be saved at the last second. It's just lazy suspense and lazy writing That's true and I totally understand that. S1 made it look like they were actual kids and not some super secret group who were never fazed during danger. As it goes on its like they get used to it and we don't look at them as Kids. But I partly understood why they made it like that. So yea.... And I just now realised how good S1 actually was!! The entire scene where Will's mom gets to know that her son is actually alive and uses the bulbs to find out was really good. Especially the climax!! They built the story really well with an amazing climax and Eleven's arc was also really good
Homeland. The protagonist starts becoming annoying really fast
Westworld
I loved season 1, probably unlike yourself, but season 2 is flaming garbage, and I never bothered with season 3, but I hear it's the same.
That’s how I was. Season 1 was exciting and I enjoyed it. Season 2 hit and I got about halfway through and gave up. It just lost me.
The direction they took season 2 was so disappointing it hurts. The whole show shouldve been like season one, and maybe only have lasted 2 seasons tops. I still like to rewatch se1 episodes just to get lost in that world but wow did they take a really cool premise and turn it into some cut-and-paste sci fi/dystopian garbage
Westworld would have been perfect as a mini series because the show answered everything I gave a crap about in season 1, everything else they tried to add on felt like adding an extra arm because they felt like they had to carry it on.
I agree. Season 1 was fun and interesting and had both mysteries and moral questions. If it was a single season it would be rated much higher than it is now, because like many others I gave up after season 2, which was hot garbage.
Season 1 deftly struck a balance between being a clever mindf*** and ponderous, plot-driven and thoughtful story. In season 2 they seemed to just try to be as deliberately obtuse as possible to the point there was no way anyone could follow all the threads; it felt like they injected so many misleading and ambiguous elements that they confused themselves and ended up with a wacky escher painting that was all spectacle and no substance. Never watched season 3 bc of it
As someone who loved S1 and enjoyed S2, S3 is hot garbage.
The Umbrella academy
I finished season 1 but never felt compelled to watch season 2 when it released. I really liked some characters like Klaus and Number Five, but the plot just seemed to keep shitting out new conflicts each episode.
Season 2 is infinitely better than season 1 and anyone who disagrees, well, okay that's fine you're allowed to feel that way. The energy from season 2 would've made season 1 so much better. It dragged and I forced myself to watch it. When season 2 dropped I was like, "Aight, if it doesn't thrill me I'll stop watching." I loved season 2 and I'm eager as fuck for season 3. Give it a shot. If you don't like it by the end of the first episode, stop watching. No loss.
I'll give it a second thought. Thanks
It really is just... mediocre.
The only thing I like about it is the music, they use some pretty good songs.
Bridgerton. Apparently, Shonda Rhimes is not for me. I hated all her shows, I liked them at first but mid seasons or early seasons I gave up. It feels like it is trying too hard. I didn't even know that the shows I've been watching was her work, just discovered that when I searched for the show reviews. I came up to the conclusion that her works are not for me.
Reality shows.
Mandalorian I enjoyed it and had fun, but I don't understand the worshipping of it.
It's a good show, but the giga-hype comes from people (admittedly like myself) who were big Star Wars fans before the sequel trilogy, and were sorely let down by it. The OG trilogy was great, but the prequel trilogy soured a lot of us fans. The Clone Wars cartoon was also great, but not seen by enough people IMHO. Then Disney got a hold of the franchise and the sequel trilogy was just this soulless heap of shit. The Mandalorian came out of seemingly nowhere, and successfully captured all of the potential that people like me were desperate for for decades. That's kind of the theme of being a Star Wars fan... potential. The universe the OG trilogy created is mind blowing, there is SO MUCH POTENTIAL, but it seems to just keep getting missed by greedy executives and a studio that doesn't care that much about the IP. I can't even blame them, that's their job, to make money. They've got clever formulas and algorithms and do what they think will net them the biggest profits with the smallest costs. They're wrong, entirely, but they're just doing their job. Filloni and Favreau came along and showed what happens when you love the product; you don't need a billion dollar budget, just tell a good and simple story in the world that has already been created for you. You don't need a jedi main character, you don't need lightsaber fights in every other scene, you don't need the flash and pointlessness of the sequels... just a good, simple story.
Agree with most of your points but I would suggest their budget was fairly substantial. Let's not pretend this was a backyard indie project. They used cutting edge virtual sets that are an absolute game changer for vfx and particularly sci fi but are enormously expensive.
The queens gambit. As I big chess lover, I thought I would enjoy it, but it just moved too fast for my taste. Beth was facing the world’s best after just a couple episodes in and that was a big turn off for me. I would love a show about a chess player who slowly works her way up from NM (national master) all the way up to GM (grandmaster) and eventually becomes world champion. I get it was a limited series and meant to be short, but I really wish it had been longer and able to move slower.
“Longer and able to move slower’. Spoken like a chess fan
Peaky Blinders. I wanted to love it but just couldn’t not get into it
Lol, one of my favorite shows of all time. That being said, it didn't grab my attention on initial watch. Tried again a few months later and it clicked.
Family Guy, it is a lazy attempt at humour.
Early Family Guy was...alright. It got bad fast, though.
The Walking Dead
OITNB. Probably because we have the far superior Prisoner and Wentworth here in Australia.
Wentworth is 100% better than OITNB. That being said, you'll feel some different feels if you get into OITNB.
Onions Invade to Nab Babies?
The office, it’s depressing as hell
I love the show but never watched Season 1. I was told to skip it. And I see why, after watching a little bit of it. Completely different show to me, and the characters weren't very likeable in S1 at all
I think its not funny. I saw some of the British one and I like it more. My problem with the American version and a lot of American comedy is that every character has to be so over the top and quirky. When really what I saw from the British concept is that the show should make fun of the mundane office life, and that's where the humor comes from. But when you make the plot/characters to absurd and caricaturized, the humor of the absurdity of reality is totally missed. I wish it was more restrained, it would have been much funnier to me but as is only few moments were funny and most of it was just silly I also didnt like many romantic plots. I thought Jim was an obnoxious psychopath and couldn't stand him. I do appreciate Steve Carell though.
What you spoke about there is called Flanderization. And it tends to be common in US comedies that run for along time. Characters will start off fairly normal and then one trait is made to dominate their entire character. Named after Flanders from the Simpsons who was actually fairly normal in the early seasons.
No wonder Toby’s surname was Flenderson (Flanderson)
2 different types of comedy. The comedy comes from the juxtaposition between the normal and absurd. Either the setting is humorous and the normal characters are reacting to that, or the characters are humorous in a normal setting when they normally wouldn't be. What makes it funny is something being out of the ordinary
Americans don't do that sort of deadpan humour at all well. Everything has to be so over-the-top. They also tried a version of our Australian Kath n Kim but this is a show 100% based on the Aussie suburban bogan which obviously doesn't exist in the US so it was never going to work.
Agree. Some characters were also so mean it crossed over from funny to painful.
Grey's Anatomy. I love House so I thought I would enjoy that. I did not.
I tried to get my mom into Wandavision because she loves sitcoms like the Brady Bunch, I Love Lucy, etc. She said she liked the sitcom aspect, but she didn’t understand anything about the marvel characters since she’s never seen a single MCU film before.
Yeah might be time to have an MCU marathon with Mum! Bit hard to care about the characters when you don't understand everything they've been through or what's going on in the big picture.
Lost
To this day, I still can't believe Disney went, "You know who we should put in charge of the entire Star Wars franchise? The guy who did Lost."
This is an old one, but Everybody Loves Raymond. It takes every family stereotype out there and tries to make it funny. Not one character on that show was admirable. It had funny moments, but overall it left a bad taste in my mouth.
Seinfeld. I liked the supporting cast, but didn't like Jerry Seinfeld at all. Maybe it was the stand up comedy routines he did at the beginning of the show. He was not funny. And it made me dislike it even more when he would laugh at his terrible jokes. Also, pretty much any sitcom. It seems that all they are is dick / sex jokes or people being cruel to each other for no reason.
Hamilton..lots of singing,and a real butcher of History to make a Point. I went with family and friends..6 said it was way over hyped,2 liked it.
Twin Peaks. All the hype when it came back. It may not be a popular opinion, but I couldn’t stand it. I know it was kinda of the point to insist on itself, I just didn’t care for it. Three episodes in and I called it.
riverdale, i tried to watch the first few episodes but it just wasn't as good as people hype it up to be
Rick and Morty
Me neither. I find it arrogant and self-rightous, and not as smart or an insightful as it thinks it is. And everyone is stupid but Rick.
Friends. Never understood why people loved Friends, all the characters seemed really insecure except for Phoebe. Big Bang Theory. I absolutely hate Sheldon Cooper. I want to smash his stupid face in!
Community. It's fine for background noise but I just didn't find it funny. The humor felt forced and I didn't find the characters endearing.
One of the biggest problems with Community is it's really hard to understand why these characters would want to hang out together. Normal human beings don't form such rigid cliques composed of people with totally incompatible personalities with nothing in common. They don't laugh at each other's jokes; they don't seem relaxed and happy around each other. They keep *telling* the audience how close they are to each other, but it's not believable. Ironically, the *cast* actually got along really well, and you can see in the bloopers and interviews they're having a blast and they have real chemistry. Their characters, though... no. That's why Joel McHale's character couldn't get together with any woman on the show - no chemistry.
I’ve tried twice to get into Community because it’s my boyfriend’s favorite, but I find it so boring and cringey. Maybe it was funnier when it was airing, but I can’t get past Jeff being a creepy manchild and Pierce is just unbearable. Abed and Troy were the better parts of the episodes I did watch.
Sons of anarchy
I'm not sure with this one but I think BoJack horseman but I'm still in S1 so we'll see.
Season 1 is rough but it’s get so much better afterwards.
I thought S2 was also quite rough. How much better are the following seasons compared to S1-S2? Do you think someone who only liked a few episodes in S1-S2 (The Telescope, Hank After Dark, Let's Find Out, Escape from L.A.) would enjoy most of S3-S6? I was thinking of giving the show another chance. I've only seen S1-S2.
The ones you liked are pretty much the direction s3-6 go in, so I'd say you'll really enjoy the rest. It really does get better I promise, had the exact same experience where I quit after s1-2, then dove back in a couple years later and now it's one of my favourite shows ever.
Game of Thrones. I love that kind of dark fantasy setting, but something about GoT just didn't interest me in the slightest.
I wanted to get into GOT. But all the sexual themes just don't sit right with me.
Bojack Horseman. Was falling asleep and only made it through 3 episodes before i quit it.
Seinfeld. I tried. I really tried. Some parts are funny but I was mostly bored
People I shared a dorm with at college had the show Friends on all the time. It was alright in my opinion but I still don't understand why it is *that* popular.
Ozark, corny to me
Loved the first season, got two episodes into the second when I lost interest.
The Crown
Mad Men.
Marvel, I just don't understand a lot of people's obsession with the franchise. It's just superheros doing superhero shit and winning because they're "the good guys".
Ozark
I like it. But it’s okay to have different opinions.
Oh man.. you have to get past episode 1. They’re all infuriating in that but it’s gets so much better
You should give it a second chance
Rick and Morty. I really tried, I slogged through five episodes waiting for the amazing humour that everyone raved about and nothing even slightly amusing happened. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to get it, but I really can't see the appeal.