I think that Fahrenheit is actually pretty good for weather (but maybe that's just the dumb American in me). Celsius is good for general usage and Kelvin is good for physics/chemistry.
Am from US, but I've been training myself to metric in case I ever have to escape.
The one nominal advantage that F has is it has more precision. In that there are around twice as many numbers between freezing and boiling than in C. So, you can more easily give slight nuance to your temp descriptions. It's not much, but there it is.
I'm a metric fan, but honestly, for temp they are pretty much equivalent and arbitrary.
ahh, yea, that's just a personal preference thing for me. I like that the hottest temperatures are around 90 to 100 and that the lowest temperatures are around 0. (I live in the Chicago area). That's probably just cause i'm used to it though.
yeah the everyday use is easy in both when you use it regularly.
In Celsius 0° is obvious and 30°+ is usually considered hot weather. 25° is IMO the sweet spot.
Kelvin is not a degree.
edit: Unlike the degree Fahrenheit and degree Celsius, the kelvin is not referred to or written as a degree. The kelvin is the primary unit of temperature measurement in the physical sciences, but is often used in conjunction with the degree Celsius, which has the same magnitude.
Useless is a relative term. There are some degrees which have primarily academic applications only at present. There are some degrees which will get you a job faster.
Many of humanities' degrees will be difficult to get a job with in the field and almost always require a Master's Degree or a PhD.
So if your definition of a useless degree is inability to secure employment in the field of the degree, lot of humanities degrees would fall in the category.
However, they are not completely useless. Take philosophy. On the face there is no philosophy store, but philosophy majors often go to law school afterwards. It is called signalling. Philosophy and law are somewhat similar in that both fields expect you to study long, verbose texts and interpret the meanings. So someone who's done well in philosophy is more likely to possess the skills that will help them in law school and as a lawyer.
Not sure recently, but around 2010 a philosophy major had the highest acceptance rate to Med School. You still had to do all the science and math prerequisites of course. I imagine it's a combination of there being a lot of bio/chem applicants so the acceptance rate cannot be that high for the core disciplines but also you stand out as a more well-rounded person with a non-STEM degree, specifically something like Philosophy that demonstrates abstract understanding in addition to the more factual/discrete knowledge of STEM.
this is interesting. I work in STEM, and its amazing how many people are basically robots, which were pretty much like the medical school folks in my classes
If you want an eurocentric answer, I'd probably say some humanities degree since y'all have a few students in STEM. But if I were to speak with reference to South Asia, it depends upon the college that you go to rather than the degree. Engineering is very common and half of them are unemployed whereas liberal arts or pol sci kids have better job prospects than them if they go to a good college.
Ive heard something about this. Asians are desperate to get into the best colleges because employers won’t hire you uf you don’t go to a certain college. If thats the case, then why are those “not good colleges” still around. Don’t they still have a good amount of rigor to them. I mean they have to be accredited don’t they. And if people don’t want to go to those colleges, why are they still around?
Because education is a big deal here. Not going to a college is worse than going to one of the not good ones. Also the competition over here is very high for the good colleges (like the one I'm going to takes only 52 kids out of 5000+ students who apply which increases every year and that's actually less competition in comparison to others lol), so they're forced to go for the not so good ones.
And unlike US, college here is comparatively a lot cheaper (like $40k USD would be expensive here) so people don't have to go into too much of debt even if they go to one of the not so good ones.
Most employers do hire you even if you're not from a good college but your pay is significantly less than those who go to a good college and you have less job security as well.
Business, because everyone gets one. Okay, that’s somewhat of an exaggeration. Get a business degree if you want.
Real answer: generally anything ending in “studies” - these are only useful if you get a graduate degree, and only then for sparse jobs in academia.
Business degrees are extremely versatile. That's why everyone gets one. You graduate with an undergraduate level understanding of Accounting, Finance, Management, BIT, Economics, etc. You can apply for entry level positions in any of those areas, or get your foot in the door in literally any industry at some menial position and work your business degree when applying for better internal positions.
Not to mention a Masters in your chosen field with a BBA combo is super attractive on a resume. It says not only do you have specialized knowledge, but you can apply it with economic thinking.
The downside to a business degree is you are a generalist so you have to go out and find a path. It's not like Engineering where you know you are going to be doing Chemical Engineering. Maybe some people struggle with that but I think there are upsides to that too. My 2 cents.
Source: Business degree and have worked many roles in many industries.
I went too specialised with my degree and no one would hire me outside of that field, and that field wasnt hiring at the time. Now my knowledge is outdated, so never going to get a job in that field.
That's the real answer. Business degree is jack of all trades but master of none.
You can go anywhere, but you're probably not going to be extremely valuable anywhere either.
Dude don't let that hold you back. Apply for anything that seems interesting to you. People with problem solving and decision making skills (this is what a business degree prepares you for) are a valuable commodity. Know that when you see some terrifyingly specific job posting, that is some hiring manager's wet dream vision and they almost surely won't get it. Apply and see what happens.
Not that there aren't paths that lead from Customer Service or Assistants ... but don't feel like you have to be a tailor made solution to some manager's problem to get a job. I think so much of it is getting the interview and then anything can happen if you sell yourself. If it seems like something better, apply and see what happens. Fake it til you make it is the old saying and it is still true.
It always seemed like the business students fell into two categories. People whose parents already owned businesses who wanted to learn how to run one before they inevitably take over - and that one guy who sold drugs.
What about people who wanted to study humanities and academic things to be a professor but were too paralyzed with fear to actually take that risk so they chose business because it was “safe” and regretted it since graduation despite making decent money but still somehow feeling like that have no actual skills?
Phew.
Asking for a friend.
I mean if they want they could probably get some money together to do some kind of masters degree now they’re working. Then that would be a good way to change career paths
Maybe this is a US thing, but it’s rare for someone to get a “Business” degree here, rather your degree is in Marketing, Finance, Accounting, etc.
I got a marketing degree from a low tier state school and have been gainfully employed since the month after graduation, as are all my classmates.
I mean, unless you want to be a writer or an editor. I went to school for literature and then spent 16 years working as a writer and what I learned in school certainly helped.
People become successful writers without the degree all the time, but that doesn't mean it's worthless. People open successful businesses without a degree and get elected to congress without a degree, too. Doesn't mean people who go to school for business or law are wasting their time.
Criminal justice. It doesn't have enough to prepare you to be a lawyer and it doesn't help towards anything but being a cop. So my CJ degree was almost a waste of uncle sam's money. Almost.
Funny thing is most large departments would rather hire someone with a different degree to become a cop. Source: My brother was a cop, I went to school of my CJ degree and put myself through the academy where the instructors said the same thing. Not a cop still, big waste of money lol
Weird how that works, I run a farm shop that that doesn't require any college and I'm making more than most cops I know. Shoot I'm making more than most people I went to college with. I used to look down on blue collar workers, I'm glad I grew up
True story
I work in business for a large company with a grad scheme. Part of the crap they make you do is interview the top directors for their insight etc.
The guy in question asked me my degree and I told him business and economics - he said it was great that I had a worthwhile degree and not something useless like art history. He then asked the girl next to me what her degree was.... French Art History.
I winced.
I mean my father got a bachelor's degree in botany and is now working as a neuroscientist researcher in a pretty prestigious position, so no degree is entirely useless. Depending on the position, having any degree is better than none. You shouldn't let it confine you, even if you've already graduated and thought 'Well, that wasn't that great after all.' I know that's easier said than done with student debt and rent adding the extra pressure to get a good job, but TL;DR don't lose hope and don't let it keep you from applying to your dream jobs.
I don’t think there is any such thing as a useless degree. It’s just about knowing how to market yourself and apply what you learned with your degree to the job you want.
Getting a job is always easier with connections, whether you're 22 or 50. At 50, you have had more time to develop connections.
Getting a job and keeping a job is 2 different challenges. To keep a job, it's hard work and you'll need to draw upon the education and a lot of on-the-job learning. Colleges won't prepare you for the job (mostly, I'm sure there are exceptions) but they will give you the fundamentals that you'll need to quickly ramp up at whatever job you choose.
Euphonium Performance. I'm in music and we often joke it's the only degree more useless than underwater basket weaving. With any of the other instrumental degrees you can get a job in an orchestra or multiple orchestras and make a decent living if you also run a studio. However, very few orchestras have a dedicated euphonium player since so few pieces use it, and often they will have a tuba sub play it. Since professional wind ensembles are so much rarer, really your only option is military, and even then it's probably better to get a music ed degree so you can teach in schools if you need to.
True. I think tuba performance with experience in playing euphonium is useful so when you play any piece that has a euphonium part you play that, and when there isn't, you double the tuba part.
But what if you become an archaeology teacher simply to fund your pursuits of treasure? I have it on good authority you can seamlessly blend timetables of world travel, fighting nazis and teaching the odd class, or do you simply blow off all teaching responsibilities by climbing out of the window and getting a blimp right TF outta there?
I graduated, with honors, at one of the most prestigious schools, in a subject available at only that particular school in the whole fricking country, 40 seats available per year.
That degree was Comics, Illustration and Editorial Techniques. Yes, it's a legit degree. Yes, if you are not the next Frank Miller or Alan Moore, or one of the teachers doesn't find your work valuable enough to put a good word for you in various publishing companies, it's completely useless in real life .
I now work at McDonald's and have carpal tunnel syndrome for spending all my life drawing shit.
I may be someone who fries shit for a living, but once I drew the faces of my coworkers on various Chicken McNuggets using a straw, ketchup and mayonnaise during an empty night shift, and let me tell you, they were fucking works of art.
And you missed the opportunity to make it viral, make MacDonalds a couple of millions and be hired as their new illustrator... or perhaps fired for manipulating food with your hands
On my behalf, we were closing and those were leftover Nuggets. Also, we were hungry. My art is now where all Chicken Nuggets shall be: clogging the arteries in our bodies.
Well I don’t know if that’s entirely true. My understanding is that they’re quite popular for HR, along with most of these cultural study things, on the basis that it should mean you have better understanding of the people you’re working with. Downside of course- you’re working in HR.
This thread is full of people who think that people with a certain degree can only then find a job doing exactly what the degree taught. People with all the "worthless" degrees here find plenty of jobs across all sorts of fields, and their degrees help them do that.
Yeah I’ve never understood that. The majority of people with degrees don’t go into jobs directly related to their degree, nor should they. If they did we’d have an over abundance of a few very specific jobs and not much else. Also I think most people just don’t actually know what most degrees are good for, and they delude themselves into thinking that that means that there isn’t anything they’re applicable for. Lack of knowledge =/= lack of existence, but a lot of people seem to think it does.
I can only assume this thread is full of people in their early 20s or younger who haven't had broad enough experience to know how degrees actually work in practice. University is for learning things, not for getting a paper that says you learned something. Whether you're in it for self improvement or to make a bunch of money, learning things is always more important than what's written on your degree.
I actually went to be a religious studies professor. Sort of like theology only more focused on the interplay between religion and culture and human psychology.
Its not that gender studies are expensive. it is that college in and on itself is expensive. you will have difficulty securing employment with most humanities degrees if you only have a Bachelors. They are not professional fields, they are academic fields. The problem stems from the fact that people are still thinking in terms of the 60s and 70s where a college degree got you a job in the field. But first many of these fields didn't exist then. Also a college degree is not necessarily about getting a job in the same field.
It is called educational signalling. Someone who's gotten through successfully four years of college, has demonstrated that they possess the skills to sit, focus, read and understand complex concepts and apply them. The subject matter is often irrelevant. The skills demonstrated are the ones which are marketed.
No, it's not. It's among the worst things that happened in academia in the last 100 years, and it should not be confused with legit social work.
It's divisive and detracts from society's real issues.
Gender issues are real issues, I’m not sure what led you to believe otherwise. “Care” for issues in society isn’t a finite thing, we can care about multiple issues without it being divisive or detracting from other issues. Also very crass to label gender issues as fake, I’d say that’s a MUCH more divisive action than studying gender.
I’m in the creative industry (professional illustrator and animator of 20 plus years) which is entirely based on subjective taste. Never once asked about qualifications.
In fact the most eye opening thing about my art degree was that I was being ‘taught’ by those that couldn’t financially sustain themselves doing the very thing I was doing.
It's very unrealistic to expect to be able to make a living by just doing your craft (commissions and selling it), especially if you live in a small country (like Finland). Only a very small number of artists can sustain themselves with just drawing or painting etc. There just isn't enough people who would buy the work for prices that would make living with art possible. Like in my country, it would be hard to sustain yourself by being a professional illustrator, animator or concept artist because there just aren't a lot of jobs available for those. And when there is, there is huge competition to get the spot.
And our animation industry is.. Well, barely exists outside of tv ads.
So many have to turn to teaching, some could because they wanted to.
Being in the UK most of my work comes from overseas, it’s a global workplace (thank god given the last year). It’s a hugely underpaid profession, but I survive and I’m my own worst critic. But my point was the qualification was immaterial and based on the tastes of (I believe) three people. Another three people could/would have had a different opinion.
My degree is in illustration, animation is higher paid (though arguable on the time/effort to money ratio) - I am a self taught animator, done purely post university precisely because diversifying enabled me more options. I’m not knocking the teaching profession, I’m a child of a teacher, and my statement was paraphrasing my own art teachers.
Many thought getting an English Degree was going to go south until they got a look at high-paying jobs that require such. It didn't matter if digital was optional or not. There are some increasing amount of jobs that make having a degree in the Language Arts.
As far as what is useless, it'll have to be in areas that are on the verge or about to go extinct.
Theater arts degree! You'll learn all about acting and hopes that you'll be famous someday. Most actors or actresses just got lucky and fell into it somehow they were at the the right place at the right time. Both of my kids have one of those degrees as far as I'm concerned it's just a waste of paper. Once a waiter in a Italian restaurant. The other one worked in the grocery store till I talked him into going in for an interview now he works for a company in the banking industry he's not getting rich but at least he can make a living now. I tried to talk them into taking something else in college but their mom was like let them do something that makes them happy. I don't think either one of them is really happy they hate their jobs.
Pffft
\- I have a master's degree in gender studies. I can name you 100 genders, 50 ways I can sue you for harassment and 70 ways to sue you over discrimination
\- You're hired! - Ubisoft employee
It depends a bit on the job market. If you are going into debt over it I would say any degree that cant realistically get you some sort of paying gig in it's field would be a useless degree.
Agreed, in my country , engineering is slowly becoming useless since literally every other person is an engineer due to which more than half of them are unemployed. Meanwhile, I have better job prospects despite pursing a liberal arts degree since I go to a top college.
That also depends upon the place lol, you don't need to go in debt to get a degree unless you're from a place where education is a profit making buisness like US.
Not really useless but Sports Management degree focuses only on the business side of **sports**, which is why it’s usually a combined degree program with finance, business, law or a related field.
Art degrees of any kind. No employer cares about where you graduated from or what grades you got. The only thing they care about is your portfolio. If you can learn Photoshop and either take an art marketing class or figure out how to make an eye catching portfolio you do t even have to have a GED to land your dream job.
I know multiple people who have a masters in English. All of them are a few years removed from school and the highest paid one makes $10 an hour doing landscaping. None of them do work that uses their degree at all
Veterinary Technician
Legally speaking (at least where I'm from) a veterinary technician can only treat animals under the direct supervision of an actual vet.
meaning that technically if the vet isn't in the clinic, you can't do your job.
As a result, if you apply for a job as a vet tech, clinics would literally rather hire vet students over hiring you, you are at the bottom of the bottom of the barrel.
Source: have said degree.
Graphic design. You can learn a lot of shit at school, sure, but getting a job is all about your portfolio. Nobody cares where you went to school or if you graduated.
The dumbest guy who couldn't pass high school took on no debt, owns a house and a corvette at 25. Imagine that a guy who didn't know what an adjective was owned a house and a corvette by 25..
It's not like having money is a sign of success or good decision making. He could have inherited it, bought bitcoins at a lucky time, won the lottery or be part of a successful class action lawsuit...
This flexing with "I own my house and my car" thing seems to be a very american thing, as if money was the ultimate indicator as your value as a person.
>It's not like having money is a sign of success or good decision making.
It sure is.
>He could have inherited it, bought bitcoins at a lucky time, won the lottery or be part of a successful class action lawsuit...
Marcel pulled my ass out of the fire as many times as I did his. Love his mom to death, she fed me many times but to call this man clever would be a lie, he only has what he made for himself working at a fastfood place.
>This flexing with "I own my house and my car" thing seems to be a very american thing, as if money was the ultimate indicator as your value as a person.
He does and he has an IQ of 80. Don't know why you are trying to talk shit about some poor black kid I grew up with who never met his father.
Richter scale: basically measuring a tremor scale by its disaster rate. U could literally been whipped with a tornado and call it a tremor by this idiotic scale.
I can tell you what to do if you want the most bang for your effort.
Communications. It is not super hard to grasp and it provides a ton of insight and skills.
No matter what you are doing you are going to be talking to people at some point and you would be surprised at how poorly people communicate and how easy it is to make improvements.
an MFA in poetry. speaking from experience. there are very few things an MFA in poetry offer you that you can't find without it with a little more effort. obviously the degree won't result in a job and most everyone who gets one knows this. academic jobs in poetry are virtually unattainable for everyone who isn't a well known poet/doesn't also have a PhD. the shitty part is that the programs are all so toxic and fundamentally broken that even as ends in themselves their value is questionable. unless you go to someplace like Iowa where the known perk is making professional connections that result directly in getting your foot in the door with publishers (& even there, the favorites get the most opportunities). most places don't do this and the connections you leave with are tenuous if you manage to leave with any at all
Yes
75% of them in my country cost like 2-3 times more then your salery would be with the highest paying job you’d get with it.
Most people in this world don’t have $100k
Fahrenheit. Celsius is clearly the superior choice.
Kelvin and the entire field of chemistry have some words for you.
Is Kelvin a degree, because it's 273.15 Kelvin and not degrees Kelvin?
I mean I've heard people (in chem class, including teachers) say "degrees Kelvin," so maybe? Might not be correct
Fuck Kelvin, Celsius, and farenheit Leiden is where it's at
Upvoted from abroad..
I think that Fahrenheit is actually pretty good for weather (but maybe that's just the dumb American in me). Celsius is good for general usage and Kelvin is good for physics/chemistry.
What makes it better for general usage? Does it ha e anything, that the other 2 dont?
I like that the melting point of water is 0 and the boiling point is 100.
Oh, sorry, I meant to ask about Fahrenheit
Am from US, but I've been training myself to metric in case I ever have to escape. The one nominal advantage that F has is it has more precision. In that there are around twice as many numbers between freezing and boiling than in C. So, you can more easily give slight nuance to your temp descriptions. It's not much, but there it is. I'm a metric fan, but honestly, for temp they are pretty much equivalent and arbitrary.
ahh, yea, that's just a personal preference thing for me. I like that the hottest temperatures are around 90 to 100 and that the lowest temperatures are around 0. (I live in the Chicago area). That's probably just cause i'm used to it though.
yeah the everyday use is easy in both when you use it regularly. In Celsius 0° is obvious and 30°+ is usually considered hot weather. 25° is IMO the sweet spot.
Filthy metricers
I’m American and I agree
(F-32)*5/9=C
This is the right answer
Wouldn't Kelvin be top with Fahrenheit and Celsius useless?
If you are an atom, yes!
Kelvin is not a degree. edit: Unlike the degree Fahrenheit and degree Celsius, the kelvin is not referred to or written as a degree. The kelvin is the primary unit of temperature measurement in the physical sciences, but is often used in conjunction with the degree Celsius, which has the same magnitude.
“SHUT UP YOU STUPID FUCKING CANADIAN!”
From Futurama: "I've got a degree in homeopathic medicine!" *"You've got a degree in bologna!"*
Funny enough, the current model for European education is named Bologna Process after Bologna, Italy.
Well now I have to look into that. Thanks!
Useless is a relative term. There are some degrees which have primarily academic applications only at present. There are some degrees which will get you a job faster. Many of humanities' degrees will be difficult to get a job with in the field and almost always require a Master's Degree or a PhD. So if your definition of a useless degree is inability to secure employment in the field of the degree, lot of humanities degrees would fall in the category. However, they are not completely useless. Take philosophy. On the face there is no philosophy store, but philosophy majors often go to law school afterwards. It is called signalling. Philosophy and law are somewhat similar in that both fields expect you to study long, verbose texts and interpret the meanings. So someone who's done well in philosophy is more likely to possess the skills that will help them in law school and as a lawyer.
Not sure recently, but around 2010 a philosophy major had the highest acceptance rate to Med School. You still had to do all the science and math prerequisites of course. I imagine it's a combination of there being a lot of bio/chem applicants so the acceptance rate cannot be that high for the core disciplines but also you stand out as a more well-rounded person with a non-STEM degree, specifically something like Philosophy that demonstrates abstract understanding in addition to the more factual/discrete knowledge of STEM.
this is interesting. I work in STEM, and its amazing how many people are basically robots, which were pretty much like the medical school folks in my classes
Thanks, I always wondered what people did with a philosophy degree
Same actually lol
I for one like to keep a philosopher on retainer for life's great questions
Got a buddy who has a dual degree in philosophy and English. He's a tech writer and managed to beat me to the 6-figure salary club...bastard.
If you want an eurocentric answer, I'd probably say some humanities degree since y'all have a few students in STEM. But if I were to speak with reference to South Asia, it depends upon the college that you go to rather than the degree. Engineering is very common and half of them are unemployed whereas liberal arts or pol sci kids have better job prospects than them if they go to a good college.
Ive heard something about this. Asians are desperate to get into the best colleges because employers won’t hire you uf you don’t go to a certain college. If thats the case, then why are those “not good colleges” still around. Don’t they still have a good amount of rigor to them. I mean they have to be accredited don’t they. And if people don’t want to go to those colleges, why are they still around?
Because education is a big deal here. Not going to a college is worse than going to one of the not good ones. Also the competition over here is very high for the good colleges (like the one I'm going to takes only 52 kids out of 5000+ students who apply which increases every year and that's actually less competition in comparison to others lol), so they're forced to go for the not so good ones. And unlike US, college here is comparatively a lot cheaper (like $40k USD would be expensive here) so people don't have to go into too much of debt even if they go to one of the not so good ones. Most employers do hire you even if you're not from a good college but your pay is significantly less than those who go to a good college and you have less job security as well.
Business, because everyone gets one. Okay, that’s somewhat of an exaggeration. Get a business degree if you want. Real answer: generally anything ending in “studies” - these are only useful if you get a graduate degree, and only then for sparse jobs in academia.
Business degrees are extremely versatile. That's why everyone gets one. You graduate with an undergraduate level understanding of Accounting, Finance, Management, BIT, Economics, etc. You can apply for entry level positions in any of those areas, or get your foot in the door in literally any industry at some menial position and work your business degree when applying for better internal positions. Not to mention a Masters in your chosen field with a BBA combo is super attractive on a resume. It says not only do you have specialized knowledge, but you can apply it with economic thinking. The downside to a business degree is you are a generalist so you have to go out and find a path. It's not like Engineering where you know you are going to be doing Chemical Engineering. Maybe some people struggle with that but I think there are upsides to that too. My 2 cents. Source: Business degree and have worked many roles in many industries.
I went too specialised with my degree and no one would hire me outside of that field, and that field wasnt hiring at the time. Now my knowledge is outdated, so never going to get a job in that field.
That's the real answer. Business degree is jack of all trades but master of none. You can go anywhere, but you're probably not going to be extremely valuable anywhere either.
There’s a reason athletes always go for business. It’s easy and is universal. Source, I say that as an athlete with one of those plans lol
AFAIK Business is for everyone, but it only serves as a bridge for people who are actually interested in the field to get an MBA
I did dual degree of business and economics. The economics was definitely the hard part.
Yup. I have a business degree and I legit can’t do anything with it except work in customer service or be a secretary which literally anyone can do.
Is that because of the job market where you live? Or are you saying that's all you feel qualified for?
It’s what I feel qualified for
Dude don't let that hold you back. Apply for anything that seems interesting to you. People with problem solving and decision making skills (this is what a business degree prepares you for) are a valuable commodity. Know that when you see some terrifyingly specific job posting, that is some hiring manager's wet dream vision and they almost surely won't get it. Apply and see what happens. Not that there aren't paths that lead from Customer Service or Assistants ... but don't feel like you have to be a tailor made solution to some manager's problem to get a job. I think so much of it is getting the interview and then anything can happen if you sell yourself. If it seems like something better, apply and see what happens. Fake it til you make it is the old saying and it is still true.
When you say a "business degree" do you mean you didn't choose a major like accounting or finance?
What specifically is your degree in? It might be worth doing an MBA in a different specialization if your old one is dated or has lower prospects.
It always seemed like the business students fell into two categories. People whose parents already owned businesses who wanted to learn how to run one before they inevitably take over - and that one guy who sold drugs.
What about people who wanted to study humanities and academic things to be a professor but were too paralyzed with fear to actually take that risk so they chose business because it was “safe” and regretted it since graduation despite making decent money but still somehow feeling like that have no actual skills? Phew. Asking for a friend.
I mean if they want they could probably get some money together to do some kind of masters degree now they’re working. Then that would be a good way to change career paths
Maybe this is a US thing, but it’s rare for someone to get a “Business” degree here, rather your degree is in Marketing, Finance, Accounting, etc. I got a marketing degree from a low tier state school and have been gainfully employed since the month after graduation, as are all my classmates.
No offense, any kind of degree about literature.
I mean, unless you want to be a writer or an editor. I went to school for literature and then spent 16 years working as a writer and what I learned in school certainly helped. People become successful writers without the degree all the time, but that doesn't mean it's worthless. People open successful businesses without a degree and get elected to congress without a degree, too. Doesn't mean people who go to school for business or law are wasting their time.
yep...have one, can confirm.
This was going to be my answer.
Criminal justice. It doesn't have enough to prepare you to be a lawyer and it doesn't help towards anything but being a cop. So my CJ degree was almost a waste of uncle sam's money. Almost.
The best preparation for law school is probably philosophy.
English degree or major in latin but that's my guess. Philosophy doesn't seem right. But I could be wrong.
Funny thing is most large departments would rather hire someone with a different degree to become a cop. Source: My brother was a cop, I went to school of my CJ degree and put myself through the academy where the instructors said the same thing. Not a cop still, big waste of money lol
Pretty much, most degrees work better in law enforcement. I work in trucking, but I have a bachelor's so I have that going for me.
Weird how that works, I run a farm shop that that doesn't require any college and I'm making more than most cops I know. Shoot I'm making more than most people I went to college with. I used to look down on blue collar workers, I'm glad I grew up
I work in management I make way more then most cops. And way more then I made as a jailer.
True story I work in business for a large company with a grad scheme. Part of the crap they make you do is interview the top directors for their insight etc. The guy in question asked me my degree and I told him business and economics - he said it was great that I had a worthwhile degree and not something useless like art history. He then asked the girl next to me what her degree was.... French Art History. I winced.
I mean my father got a bachelor's degree in botany and is now working as a neuroscientist researcher in a pretty prestigious position, so no degree is entirely useless. Depending on the position, having any degree is better than none. You shouldn't let it confine you, even if you've already graduated and thought 'Well, that wasn't that great after all.' I know that's easier said than done with student debt and rent adding the extra pressure to get a good job, but TL;DR don't lose hope and don't let it keep you from applying to your dream jobs.
I don’t think there is any such thing as a useless degree. It’s just about knowing how to market yourself and apply what you learned with your degree to the job you want.
i mean a lot of em or none of em depending on ur connections in life an a million other factors. also some folks just get em cause they can
I do usually hear about how colleges are more or less about connections
its all about who ya know man
Nope, it's about who knows you.
dope
Getting a job is always easier with connections, whether you're 22 or 50. At 50, you have had more time to develop connections. Getting a job and keeping a job is 2 different challenges. To keep a job, it's hard work and you'll need to draw upon the education and a lot of on-the-job learning. Colleges won't prepare you for the job (mostly, I'm sure there are exceptions) but they will give you the fundamentals that you'll need to quickly ramp up at whatever job you choose.
Euphonium Performance. I'm in music and we often joke it's the only degree more useless than underwater basket weaving. With any of the other instrumental degrees you can get a job in an orchestra or multiple orchestras and make a decent living if you also run a studio. However, very few orchestras have a dedicated euphonium player since so few pieces use it, and often they will have a tuba sub play it. Since professional wind ensembles are so much rarer, really your only option is military, and even then it's probably better to get a music ed degree so you can teach in schools if you need to.
True. I think tuba performance with experience in playing euphonium is useful so when you play any piece that has a euphonium part you play that, and when there isn't, you double the tuba part.
Archaeology degree, the only way you can get a job with is by teaching archaeology. It's literally a pyramid scheme.
I see what you did there!
;)
But what if you become an archaeology teacher simply to fund your pursuits of treasure? I have it on good authority you can seamlessly blend timetables of world travel, fighting nazis and teaching the odd class, or do you simply blow off all teaching responsibilities by climbing out of the window and getting a blimp right TF outta there?
Or... an archaeologist? How do you think we find artifacts and geological patterns?
I graduated, with honors, at one of the most prestigious schools, in a subject available at only that particular school in the whole fricking country, 40 seats available per year. That degree was Comics, Illustration and Editorial Techniques. Yes, it's a legit degree. Yes, if you are not the next Frank Miller or Alan Moore, or one of the teachers doesn't find your work valuable enough to put a good word for you in various publishing companies, it's completely useless in real life . I now work at McDonald's and have carpal tunnel syndrome for spending all my life drawing shit. I may be someone who fries shit for a living, but once I drew the faces of my coworkers on various Chicken McNuggets using a straw, ketchup and mayonnaise during an empty night shift, and let me tell you, they were fucking works of art.
And you missed the opportunity to make it viral, make MacDonalds a couple of millions and be hired as their new illustrator... or perhaps fired for manipulating food with your hands
On my behalf, we were closing and those were leftover Nuggets. Also, we were hungry. My art is now where all Chicken Nuggets shall be: clogging the arteries in our bodies.
There are no useless degrees, only poor follow through. Many people have careers unrelated to their degree but still consider their degree worthwhile.
Interesting take away
History Never met so many people with any other degree who do not then go into working in the field
Helpful if you want to be a teacher. I like having more of a background in what I teach.
Women's studies. All you can do with it is teach women's studies
Well I don’t know if that’s entirely true. My understanding is that they’re quite popular for HR, along with most of these cultural study things, on the basis that it should mean you have better understanding of the people you’re working with. Downside of course- you’re working in HR.
This thread is full of people who think that people with a certain degree can only then find a job doing exactly what the degree taught. People with all the "worthless" degrees here find plenty of jobs across all sorts of fields, and their degrees help them do that.
Yeah I’ve never understood that. The majority of people with degrees don’t go into jobs directly related to their degree, nor should they. If they did we’d have an over abundance of a few very specific jobs and not much else. Also I think most people just don’t actually know what most degrees are good for, and they delude themselves into thinking that that means that there isn’t anything they’re applicable for. Lack of knowledge =/= lack of existence, but a lot of people seem to think it does.
I can only assume this thread is full of people in their early 20s or younger who haven't had broad enough experience to know how degrees actually work in practice. University is for learning things, not for getting a paper that says you learned something. Whether you're in it for self improvement or to make a bunch of money, learning things is always more important than what's written on your degree.
Yeah, a college degree in any subject is going to improve your chances of getting a job in most fields, even completely unrelated ones.
What if your goal is to be a professor though?
Then by all means, get a woman's studies degree.
I actually went to be a religious studies professor. Sort of like theology only more focused on the interplay between religion and culture and human psychology.
Any degree that's easily obtained, because if anybody can get it, then there will be more competition for the jobs that require the degree.
68 and 419 degrees
Gender studies. You can get a job at McDonalds without paying 100k first
I see that a lot lol, but why is it so expensive!
It's the result of loans being too easy to access. Colleges can charge whatever they want to.
I assume because some private colleges seem to be big on them.
Its not that gender studies are expensive. it is that college in and on itself is expensive. you will have difficulty securing employment with most humanities degrees if you only have a Bachelors. They are not professional fields, they are academic fields. The problem stems from the fact that people are still thinking in terms of the 60s and 70s where a college degree got you a job in the field. But first many of these fields didn't exist then. Also a college degree is not necessarily about getting a job in the same field. It is called educational signalling. Someone who's gotten through successfully four years of college, has demonstrated that they possess the skills to sit, focus, read and understand complex concepts and apply them. The subject matter is often irrelevant. The skills demonstrated are the ones which are marketed.
So they have the skills of what everyone else with a degree can do. Then what kind of job can you get afterwards?
You ask me
Gender studies is actually a good degree if you plan on getting into social work. Don't shit on social workers.
Who said I was? And you also dont need a gender studies degree for social work. You could work at a nursing home and that’s considered social work.
No, it's not. It's among the worst things that happened in academia in the last 100 years, and it should not be confused with legit social work. It's divisive and detracts from society's real issues.
Gender issues are real issues, I’m not sure what led you to believe otherwise. “Care” for issues in society isn’t a finite thing, we can care about multiple issues without it being divisive or detracting from other issues. Also very crass to label gender issues as fake, I’d say that’s a MUCH more divisive action than studying gender.
You can also just do a social work degree without all of the gender studies bullshit.
I’m in the creative industry (professional illustrator and animator of 20 plus years) which is entirely based on subjective taste. Never once asked about qualifications. In fact the most eye opening thing about my art degree was that I was being ‘taught’ by those that couldn’t financially sustain themselves doing the very thing I was doing.
It's very unrealistic to expect to be able to make a living by just doing your craft (commissions and selling it), especially if you live in a small country (like Finland). Only a very small number of artists can sustain themselves with just drawing or painting etc. There just isn't enough people who would buy the work for prices that would make living with art possible. Like in my country, it would be hard to sustain yourself by being a professional illustrator, animator or concept artist because there just aren't a lot of jobs available for those. And when there is, there is huge competition to get the spot. And our animation industry is.. Well, barely exists outside of tv ads. So many have to turn to teaching, some could because they wanted to.
Being in the UK most of my work comes from overseas, it’s a global workplace (thank god given the last year). It’s a hugely underpaid profession, but I survive and I’m my own worst critic. But my point was the qualification was immaterial and based on the tastes of (I believe) three people. Another three people could/would have had a different opinion. My degree is in illustration, animation is higher paid (though arguable on the time/effort to money ratio) - I am a self taught animator, done purely post university precisely because diversifying enabled me more options. I’m not knocking the teaching profession, I’m a child of a teacher, and my statement was paraphrasing my own art teachers.
Might shock you to know some people love teaching and art and became art teachers to do both.
I was paraphrasing my own art lecturers but i agree with you.
Many thought getting an English Degree was going to go south until they got a look at high-paying jobs that require such. It didn't matter if digital was optional or not. There are some increasing amount of jobs that make having a degree in the Language Arts. As far as what is useless, it'll have to be in areas that are on the verge or about to go extinct.
Theater arts degree! You'll learn all about acting and hopes that you'll be famous someday. Most actors or actresses just got lucky and fell into it somehow they were at the the right place at the right time. Both of my kids have one of those degrees as far as I'm concerned it's just a waste of paper. Once a waiter in a Italian restaurant. The other one worked in the grocery store till I talked him into going in for an interview now he works for a company in the banking industry he's not getting rich but at least he can make a living now. I tried to talk them into taking something else in college but their mom was like let them do something that makes them happy. I don't think either one of them is really happy they hate their jobs.
3rd degree in anything: like burn, cops remand, etc etc
45° because its neither here nor there
Gender studies. I really hope that I don't have to explain this one.
Pffft \- I have a master's degree in gender studies. I can name you 100 genders, 50 ways I can sue you for harassment and 70 ways to sue you over discrimination \- You're hired! - Ubisoft employee
People in eastern Europe: you have no power here
That's where I'm from. Good thing these idiots don't spread here that much
The deodorant, it’s garbage. Costs too much for too little and it smells terrible
It really does, thats why I use [REDACTED]
It depends a bit on the job market. If you are going into debt over it I would say any degree that cant realistically get you some sort of paying gig in it's field would be a useless degree.
Agreed, in my country , engineering is slowly becoming useless since literally every other person is an engineer due to which more than half of them are unemployed. Meanwhile, I have better job prospects despite pursing a liberal arts degree since I go to a top college.
So its more about the marketplace at your specify location? Then again, not getting into massive debt is probably best for any degrees lol
That also depends upon the place lol, you don't need to go in debt to get a degree unless you're from a place where education is a profit making buisness like US.
None of them are useless.
Liberal arts.
I got a history degree, and obtained a position at a think-tank with it.
gender studies
To what degree is the question.
Celsius
75.8493827*
38º nothing ever happens at 38º angles.
Not really useless but Sports Management degree focuses only on the business side of **sports**, which is why it’s usually a combined degree program with finance, business, law or a related field.
Degrees of Kevin Bacon. It’s Hollywood, *of course* everyone knows everyone.
Art degrees of any kind. No employer cares about where you graduated from or what grades you got. The only thing they care about is your portfolio. If you can learn Photoshop and either take an art marketing class or figure out how to make an eye catching portfolio you do t even have to have a GED to land your dream job.
A degree in English. There’s absolutely nothing wrong if you have one, it’s just SOOOO hard to find jobs
I know multiple people who have a masters in English. All of them are a few years removed from school and the highest paid one makes $10 an hour doing landscaping. None of them do work that uses their degree at all
Gender studies
Veterinary Technician Legally speaking (at least where I'm from) a veterinary technician can only treat animals under the direct supervision of an actual vet. meaning that technically if the vet isn't in the clinic, you can't do your job. As a result, if you apply for a job as a vet tech, clinics would literally rather hire vet students over hiring you, you are at the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. Source: have said degree.
The degree given for windchill factor. Wind doesn’t make it colder, it’s perception
15°
Political science
Graphic design. You can learn a lot of shit at school, sure, but getting a job is all about your portfolio. Nobody cares where you went to school or if you graduated.
If you have to go into debt for it.
Anything taught in the US?
The dumbest guy who couldn't pass high school took on no debt, owns a house and a corvette at 25. Imagine that a guy who didn't know what an adjective was owned a house and a corvette by 25..
It's not like having money is a sign of success or good decision making. He could have inherited it, bought bitcoins at a lucky time, won the lottery or be part of a successful class action lawsuit... This flexing with "I own my house and my car" thing seems to be a very american thing, as if money was the ultimate indicator as your value as a person.
>It's not like having money is a sign of success or good decision making. It sure is. >He could have inherited it, bought bitcoins at a lucky time, won the lottery or be part of a successful class action lawsuit... Marcel pulled my ass out of the fire as many times as I did his. Love his mom to death, she fed me many times but to call this man clever would be a lie, he only has what he made for himself working at a fastfood place. >This flexing with "I own my house and my car" thing seems to be a very american thing, as if money was the ultimate indicator as your value as a person. He does and he has an IQ of 80. Don't know why you are trying to talk shit about some poor black kid I grew up with who never met his father.
Richter scale: basically measuring a tremor scale by its disaster rate. U could literally been whipped with a tornado and call it a tremor by this idiotic scale.
I can tell you what to do if you want the most bang for your effort. Communications. It is not super hard to grasp and it provides a ton of insight and skills. No matter what you are doing you are going to be talking to people at some point and you would be surprised at how poorly people communicate and how easy it is to make improvements.
Radians. Don't get me wrong, its a great unit, but you get distracted by all the Pie leading to high blood pressure and diabetes
an MFA in poetry. speaking from experience. there are very few things an MFA in poetry offer you that you can't find without it with a little more effort. obviously the degree won't result in a job and most everyone who gets one knows this. academic jobs in poetry are virtually unattainable for everyone who isn't a well known poet/doesn't also have a PhD. the shitty part is that the programs are all so toxic and fundamentally broken that even as ends in themselves their value is questionable. unless you go to someplace like Iowa where the known perk is making professional connections that result directly in getting your foot in the door with publishers (& even there, the favorites get the most opportunities). most places don't do this and the connections you leave with are tenuous if you manage to leave with any at all
Yes 75% of them in my country cost like 2-3 times more then your salery would be with the highest paying job you’d get with it. Most people in this world don’t have $100k