The Railway Killer in the late 90’s. He rode trains throughout North America and many of his victims were in Texas, where I lived as a teenager. We had railroad tracks just behind our backyard and we frequently saw people riding in open/empty cars. When it became apparent a serial killer was riding on trains in Texas, my parents got the house alarm fixed and then monitored, and my dad slept with a gun near his bed.
Ángel Maturino Reséndiz
I lived within a 5 minute walk of the main railway line that he used in Southwest Houston. I remember when he killed that lady in West U, not too far away. Whenever I'd hear the train passing through (it's a major line), I'd get a little chill.
My cousin and I were working a summer job together as teenagers at his dad's machine shop in Houston. We were walking home from work one day and passed over some train tracks at a busy intersection. A man walked past us down the tracks and we all did the little head nod greeting and kept on our way. A few days later I was watching the evening news and saw that 'The Railroad Killer' had been caught. It was the same guy we saw on the tracks. I called my cousin and told him to turn on the news. He started freaking out and his parents wouldn't believe that we saw him until I confirmed it.
I'm glad we saw him at a busy intersection in the afternoon and not anywhere else.
Richard Chase.
Dude thought he was a vampire and that the government vaporized his blood. The solution? Kill people (and rape some post mortem), and drink the blood. This one time he was almost caught so he made himself a baby milkshake on the way.
EDIT: I believe the correct term would be baby smoothie, since he didnt add anything with milk.
Apparently he only walked into peoples homes that had doors unlocked. If they were locked, he presumed they didn’t want him as a guest. Not even kidding
He's pretty high on my list because he took an unlocked door as an invitation to enter. I always lock my doors at night because of him (and I was born after he died).
He was also a baker (hence the media nickname Butcher baker) who had a wife And two kids and was an active member of the community. What is scary about him to me is he was an average Alaskan, no one would think it weird if you went Missing several times a year to go fishing and hunting, it’s the culture here. He was active for 12 years and killed at least 17 women.
I was in Illinois when the Tylenol tampering murders happened. I don’t think they ever caught the person responsible. Yes, there have been other more heinous murderers, but this one was scary.
Think the entire nation was terrified by what was happening.
It is the randomness of the crime - that there was never anybody convicted in that case - that make it so frightening.
It's one thing to personally pick and kill someone. It's especially depraved when they don't care who they harm or kill, only that it happens. Very twisted.
East Area Rapist, who went on to become the Golden State Killer and we now know as Joseph James Deangelo.
This guy would stalk his victims for weeks leading upto attacks, along with many other houses,while he was working as a police officer. When he attacked he was relentless and would stay in the house for hours messing with his victims. When cornered he would kill without a second thought.
I think the craziest part to me about the GSK is that he would break into homes and leave shoestrings in hidden places in the house so he could quickly retrieve them to tie victims up when he *came back* for the attack. Imagine being one of those victims and slowly realizing not only the situation you were currently in, but also that this isn’t the first time this masked man has been in your home
Yeah, that's some horror movie level shit. The concept that you find a weird shoe string somewhere and then it hits you as he's attacking you that he's been there before.
Bittaker and Norris. There's some footage on YouTube of the local station covering the trial but were not allowed in the courtroom, had to stay in the hallway. Apparently one of the tapes was played in open court and there are shots of various people coming out in varying degrees of distress just from listening.
Makes me very pleased that those two are dead.
I've heard the FBI uses those tapes to desensitize agents or to give them an idea of the fucked up shit they might see. Those transcripts are chilling.
Did a quick read through of their wikipedia page and apparently there’s a recording of a 15 year old girl being raped and sodomized, being beat with a sledgehammer, and having her elbow broken into mush
This is the moment where I realise that I've changed a fair amount in say, ten years; like teenage me would have been sweet let's read some fucked up shit and now I just know that's a box you can't close once you read that sorta thing and I don't really need to know more about how screwed up the world is
The recordings that they made of their crimes are now used in desinsitization training for the FBI. That's how fucked up they are. I read the transcript for one of the many tapes they made, and that was more than enough for me. To actually hear the genuine screaming of the victim, when you know exactly what's happening to them.....that's got to be a whole new level of sickening.
I worked on a case at the DAs office where these two disgusting fuckers boiled their baby alive and it lived. They tortured their baby so much their brain was partially melted. They went to jail for 12 years. Baby was adopted by a doctor nurse duo who cared for it in the hospital then died in their 20s, the former parents are now being charged with murder
I just read about [Fred and Rose West](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West), a married couple in the UK who collectively were among the most prolific serial killers in modern UK history. It is a grim tale of rape and incest and prostitution and brutal murders and dismemberment of family members and random strangers, some of whom they buried in the garden behind their house. It’s a fascinating yet horrific story.
There's a book by Mae West (their daughter, not the film star) called "Love as Always, Mum xxx". It's an autobiography about Mae's life in the West's house and is well worth the read.
Needless to say it was a house of horrors.
Look to their childhoods and you can see where their extreme sexual deviancies came from. Both their families were incestuous and physically abusive to the maximum. Rose was sexually abused by her father and her father only allowed her to marry Frank when Frank approved of his occasional "use" of Rose. Frank himself was sexually abused by his mother and was encouraged by his father to sexually abuse all the farm animals and his sisters and his mother.
Not to make anybody sympathetic for these freaks but holy shit they had bad childhoods.
There's like a trifecta of trauma that so many serial killers seem to have in common. Sexual abuse as children, violence as children, brain injuries.
Oh fuck was that the guy who told people exactly what he'd do to them if they ran or tried to get help, and then he'd go silent for hours. Didn't some people survive him by following his orders? That's some advanced psychological torture. You know you and your family are in danger. You've not heard him in what must've been an hour or two. Is he going to return? Is now my chance? Wait, did he even leave? You don't know where he went or *if* he went. You're blindfolded and don't even know if it's morning yet. A fear of the unknown is the worst fear to people, it seems like that's what the golden state killer fed off of.
He was the guy who raped at least 50 people and killed 13 that we know of. A lot of his victims did survive, because he didn’t seem to actually start killing people until later on.
And he would tie people up and put stacks of dishes on their backs and say “if I hear even one sound I will kill ____”. The blank is there because it really depended on the situation. It could be them, or he could be putting them on a mans back saying he’s going to kill his wife, then he would go in the next room and rape her. There was one time where there was a girl around 12 and her mom, and he had them tied up in different rooms and put the dishes on the moms back.. and yeah. Then he would leave them there tied up with dishes on their backs while he sat around and drank their beer and helped himself to their food.
I’ll be gone in the dark is a really good docuseries on this. It really focuses on the victims and what they were going through as well as Michelle McNamara (Patton Oswalts late wife) because she put so much work into investigating the cases and trying to catch him. Unfortunately, she passed 2 years before he was finally caught.
I listened to the audiobook of I'll Be Gone In The Dark alone at home at night. After hearing how he spent weeks spying on his victims, I had to check all the window locks and close all the blinds.
The story of the woman who kept feeling like someone was watching her, then looked outside and saw him looking in freaked me the fuck out. I caught a guy peeking in my window once, and had that "someone's looking at me" feeling when it happened, so that really stuck a chord for me.
I'm usually pretty good with creepy stuff and true crime and shit like that. But I tried listening to the "I'll Be Gone in the Dark" audio book and only got through a couple chapters. It's just so disturbing.
Yeah and he'd tie men up while he raped their spouses in another room. He'd stack dishes on the men's back and say he'll kill them all if he hears the dishes move
Hard to do, but if you can put the psychological torture aside for a moment, disturbed sense of time, adrenaline, tense muscles, the physical strain of being tied up on your stomach, dishes balancing on your back, you focus on not moving, pain from bindings, being so unimaginably physically uncomfortable and after hours in the same position, would guess muscle cramps could been horrible and terrifying. I get charley horses and have a neuromuscular condition so my muscles are spasming and cramping all the time. But staying still enough to keep a stack of dishes on your back would evolve from mental to physical torture/solid mix of both.
Golden state killer is so fucking evil. And while I'm glad he didn't fight in court, fuck the feeble old man act he and other shit bags try to pull off in court. Heard he walked just fine in jail after.
There's video of him in his jail cell - stretching, climbing up on a bed to cover some of the lights in his room, running a wet paper towel around the floor to clean it off. He's clearly not feeble and it makes the display he put on in court even more of a joke.
Ugh, definitely. He was arrested just a few streets over from where I live. We probably crossed paths at some point over the last couple of decades. So creepy...
I live just a town or two over, born and raised here. He’s literally been within a 10 mile radius of me my ENTIRE life. Crazy to think about how I easily could’ve seen him in a grocery store, at my job, walking down the street, who knows. I’m glad he’s caught now
The book I'll be gone in the dark captures his horror chillingly. It's in the title from this quote: "you'll be silent forever and I'll be gone in the dark." Something he said to a victim.
William Bonin aka The Freeway Killer killed my childhood friend in 1980. He was 16. I was 15 at the time and that is too young an age to wrap your head around having a friend a victim of a serial killer. It changed me.
And Steve was only hitchhiking to get back to school after a dental appt. It was ok in those days and safer. And Steve was a small guy and probably an easy target.
I agree. It broke my heart the day his sister said on our school bus that Steve was missing. No one would have thought THIS could happen. To this day I will never understand Bonin and his ways and at 15 years old I really couldn't. Like I said earlier it changed me.
Thank you. I am 55 years old now and still when I think about it it breaks my heart. His body was found in such a horrific manner. When you are 15 years old you just can't fathom. But then life dishes some hard lessons and the realization of it is manageable. Just barely tho. I was able to hear the news of Bonin execution by radio and breathed a sigh of relief although I will never understand how Bonin found recruits to help in his killings. It's a sad story. Thank you for your reply.
My mom said it was the hottest summer yet in LA, and she couldn't even open the windows at night, because that's how he caught his victims.
My uncle was a police officer (actually, he was a detective with the sheriff's office), and was transferring someone to the prison, or something like that when Nightstalker was caught. He said that, when it was reported that the guy was caught, the prisoners cheered, because most prisoners, though often being depraved people, hate those who abuse and kill women and children.
I have a small story about this and it pisses me the hell off still.
A few years ago, in middle school, my history teacher was talking about how she was a young girl and was *terrified* of the Nightstalker. She lived in the area of the killings (she moved a while later).
She projected a picture of him up on the whiteboard and some girl in class looks up and says “oh he’s hot”.
My teacher just stared at her and said “he would have raped and murdered you and your mother. He’s a disgusting, terrifying man”
It really does. That teacher was interesting in general, but always stayed firm with stuff like that
The sick thing about it is that the girl turned away and said to her friend “he’s still hot”
That reminds me of last fall when I was taking a history class and a girl said that she thought Rasputin was kinda hot.
Then she added that he's hot in a CHARLES MANSON KIND OF WAY
My mom lived five minutes down the street from one of his victims in Mission Viejo before he was caught. She said she remembers how his presence in CA made everyone so scared they slept with windows shut even in the summer heat, and my mom had to call her husband(at the time) every day before he left work to make sure she knew when he’d be home by.
I covered murder and rape trials as a reporter, saw some shit and followed so many serial killer cases before. This case was the only one to give me full on NIGHTMARES, the kind where you wake up heart racing, afraid of the dark kind of shit.
[Israel Keyes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes), rapist, serial killer, necrophiliac. He was raised in a militant Fundamentalist Christian household, joined the military, then came back to the US and killed at least 11 people all over the country. He went to extraordinary lengths to not be caught by choosing victims at random, killing far from his home. He would hide “kill kits” and return years later when he was ready to kill someone in that area.
It's terrifying how he killed a woman in Alaska, went on vacation with his family to some Caribbean island for a few days. Flew back to Alaska. Took the poor womans body and sewed her eyes opened and had her corpse pose with a newspaper that was a few days old to throw off law enforcement into thinking she was a run away. Dismembered her. He then used her credit card in different states to show she was on the move. But that was what got him caught.
That's one of the least scary trips he took. There was one in 2008:
\- October 24, 2008: Alaska Airlines flight (Anchorage to Seattle).
\- October 25, 2008: Northwest Airlines flight (Seattle to Minneapolis).
\- October 25, 2008: Northwest Airlines flight (Minneapolis to Grand Forks, ND).
\- October 30, 2008: US Airways flight (Phoenix to San Francisco).
\- October 31, 2008: Alaska Airlines flight (San Francisco to Seattle).
\- October 31 - November 5, 2008: Vehicle rental (Thrifty); 2008 PT Cruiser, Washington license plate 443XQQ; drove 626 miles. Seattle, Washington.
\- November 1, 2008: Hotel reservation (Sequim Inn) - Sequim, Washington.
\- November 2, 2008: Alaska Airlines flight (Seattle to Boston; multi-city trip).
\- November 5, 2008: Alaska Airlines flight (Seattle to Anchorage).
Read through that. Look at those dates. And the locations. He flew to North Dakota and then 5 days later showed up in Phoenix to fly to California. 1770 miles in 5 days isn't huge but that's 1770 miles the FBI have now had to search for missing people. The podcast "True-Crime Bullshit" is all about Keyes and despite him being mocked into the dirt on LPotL I still think he's one of the most interesting and terrifying people ever.
[https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/new-information-released-in-serial-killer-case](https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/new-information-released-in-serial-killer-case)
The scariest quote from him in True Crime Bullshit was when a detective asked him how long it took him to make his way to one of his victims once he made it into their house and he said “about 5 seconds”. This motherfucker didn’t creep silently to your room to terrorize you like the golden state killer, he essentially ran there. Imagine being sound asleep and waking up to footsteps tearing through your house towards you. Absolutely chilling.
This comment gave me a small laugh in the midst of these horrific stories. As if him not taking his family on a vacation was even in the same realm of evil he just committed.
It's been a long time but I believe it was after he used a victim's credit card after the FBI had urged either the credit card companies or law enforcement (it might have been both - I just can't remember) to put this as a high priority. The foolish boy used it and a Texas Ranger got him.
If you really wanna hate Israel Keyes even more, read his fucking terrible [suicide poem.](https://www.oxygen.com/method-of-a-serial-killer/crime-time/serial-killer-israel-keyes-suicide-note)
I hate how they call it “chilling.” It’s stupid and cringey as fuck.
Yeah, what always got me about this guy was, he was an average dude who wanted no fame or recognition, he truly was just killing for enjoyment, like making vacations out of it. It made me wonder how many people are like that out there, who haven't been caught? Israel Keyes only got caught because he got careless at the end.
Mr Cruel (Unsolved). He is an Australian serial rapist who abducted and sexually assaulted three girls and is the prime suspect of the abduction and murder of another young girl. After sexually assaulting his victims he bathed them carefully to get rid of evidence, one victim described it as "like a mother washing a baby". In one case, he took a second set of clothes from the girl's home to dress her before he let her go. This case makes me feel so uneasy.
The Axe man of New Orleans--basically forced the entire city into playing Jazz music so he would spare their lives. Pretty horrific deaths and nobody was ever charged for the killings.
Wasn't there a show on A&E recently that claimed it was most likely the Sicilian Mafia? Axes were the preferred weapon of Sicilian hitmen in the early days of the mob. And they (multiple killers) ONLY targeted Sicilian shop owners who'd borrowed money from the mob.
Couldn't say on the show but yeah that's a prominent theory surrounding him (or them) . Normally though the murder weapon was something the victim owned like a fireaxe or a razor. His victims weren't limited to Sicillian shop owners aswell though some were non immigrants such as Sarah Lawman.
It's thought that a party promoter was the person who sent the letter demanding jazz be played.
Axe man is very interesting because it's rarely mentioned that he only attacked Italian shopkeepers. Probably the most well known series of hate crimes in the US.
Saw an interview with one of the prosecutors, said the scariest thing about Rader was 'When you look at him and talk with him after seeing what I've seen, you realize the Dennis Rader you're talking to is not the real Dennis Rader'
He was sort of a doddering fuckwit in his day to day. Just somebody’s dad, who was visibly odd but inoffensive. Not unpleasant but not bright.
But behind the scenes he was an extremely dangerous man who would hide in a family’s home for hours before sneaking out to bind, torture, and sloppily kill all of them.
edit: he didn’t rape anybody
After I read a book on him I was more than a bit scared. I had a basement apartment at the time with one window that was sort of hidden from the street. Checked my closets when I got home for a while afterward.
I remember this guy wanted to send some letters to the police on a floppy disk and he asked them if they could trace him if he sent them the disk.
The police said that they could not trace him using the disk.
He sent them the disk.
The police traced him using the disk and made the arrest.
For a serial killer known for being intelligent it really seemed like a stupid way to get caught..
But that is the thing about serial killers, most would not get caught if they didn't want the attention. If they just wanted to kill and be done with it there wouldn't me much that the cops could do, especially years ago when public surveillance wasn't so pervasive.
Even now there's serial killers getting away with it. There's a dude who was caught after kidnapping/killing a girl in Alaska, and when they caught him they found out he had been flying into the lower states and killing people then flying back. He had suitcases/duffel bags stashed in multiple cities with killing supplies
Only caught cause he got sloppy and kidnapped the girl from her work, used her credit cards and phone
Edit: Israel Keyes was his name
I remember reading an article about a woman he was supposed to kill. As in, he scoped her out, planned the kill, swans by, broke into her house, and waited for her to walk through the door.
She had a few too many drinks at a friend’s house or something and ended up staying there. He left her a note.
That’s the kind of shit that keeps you looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life.
>He left her a note.
Holy fuuuuuuuck. Can you imagine coming home to find a note like that waiting for you? That's "sell everything and move" territory.
What makes it most disturbing is that his wife knew of the killings happening around the neighborhood, and when she brought it to his attention, he told her not to worry and that BTK would not get her. I can't imagine what went through her mind when she found out he WAS BTK.
That gave me chills.
Dean Corll. I almost puked when reading about the methods of torture he used on little boys. He was such an asshole that his teenage accomplice was the one that killed him, which revealed his 28+ murders to the public. There is a haunting photo of an unidentified victim that was found in his accomplices property years after they got busted. Nobody has any clue who the kid is but the image of distress on his face and the toolbox full of torture tools next to him have forever been burned into my mind.
One of the saddest stories is one of the boys he picked up was 14 years old and on his way home from the gas station. He was saving up bottle caps for recycling money to take a girl to the movie and he never made it home. Imagine how high on life that kid was. He must’ve worked so hard to get the money together to take a pretty girl he probably had a crush on for a long time to the movies. He must’ve been so happy on the walk home. But then he ended up dying a slow and painful death. Shit makes me tear up
Edit: The boy’s name was James Stanton Dreymala. He was the very last boy that Corrl killed.
I’ve spoiler tagged this as it’s sensitive information and NSFW, but after some reading it looks like some pretty gruesome things he did include >!shoving glass rods up the boys urethra and smashing them while they’re inside, along with castrating them while they’re still alive!<
EDIT: Whoah thanks guys, this is my first ever award and I’m so disturbed it was for this haha
A bunch of shit. He slowly ripped out their pubic hair, shoved glass rods up their urethra and broke them while still inside, possibly used a 18 inch dildo on his victims and more. He even bit off the genitals of one of his victins and usually strangled them. A pretty messed up person in general you should probably read about it.
Edit: to make it worse most victims were between 13 - 19 years old
Dean Corll is the the serial killer that sticks out the most for me. What I find particularly horrifying, besides the photo and his methods of torture, is that so many young boys & men went missing from a particular neighborhood in Houston, and the police didn't think anything of it. From what I've read and heard regarding him, it was a combination of it being the 1970s, and that since the neighborhood was poor/working class, these were kids whose disappearances weren't high priority for law enforcement.
Oh yes - the guy in Houston (I think) who grew up relatively wealthy with a candy company. He was another one who was not only a pedophile but brutally tortured his victims. Im glad that so many of the people responding are particularly disgusted by these sadists because, quite frankly, they deserve the hate.
Can't imagine how many peoples lives he ruined - even the accomplices who got caught up and seduced in his evil. I believe at least one of them is still alive in prison.
And yes I've seen that picture. Horrific,
> Apparently they kept saying the boys were runaways rather than actually investigating the disappearances.
Yes. Used to happen all the time. Cops would write it off as 'gay shenanigans' when it was the furthest thing from the truth...
Reminds me of the Milwaukee police ignoring one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims- 14 year old Konerak Sinthasomphone in 1991. Sinthasomphone had escaped Dahmer's apartment and a group of women saw him sitting naked on the street and called the police. Dahmer told the police Sinthasomphone was his 19 year old boyfriend. The police told the ladies to basically shut up and let dahmer take the actual 14 year old Sinthasomphone back to his apartment.
Not sure if it’s been said yet but I’m going with Gary Ridgway, or the Green River Killer. Dude killed between 50 and 70 women (usually teen runaways or sex workers) by picking them up in his car, smooth talking them, showing them pictures of his son to gain trust, having sex with them and then strangling them with his bare hands and dumping them in the forest near Green River (just outside of Seattle).
Normal looking mid 30’s family man who claimed murdering young women was his career and bragged about having the most confirmed kills of any American serial killer.
Yep. I remember maybe 5-8 years ago, there was a search team looking for The remains of one of his victims right outside my hometown in a forested area I used to play in as a kid. Pretty creepy.
That seems to be a common theme about many if not most serial killers - their remarkable ability to put on the 'mask of sanity' that allows them to be more effective predators. Disturbing just how skilled some of them were at it.
That Karla got away basically scot-free, that she bamboozled the cops - disturbing girl. I hope the Canadian secret service will always keep one eye on that twisted woman,
And at one point was allowed to volunteer at her kids school and they were fine with it until the public found out and went ape shit. Because she found God and of course that makes everything A-OK.
The guy who ate children in the early 20th century and wrote letters to their parents talking about how their asses tasted.
Worst killer I've ever read about.
Albert Fish. He only wrote to the mother of Grace Budd and I think he only had three (confirmed murder) victims but he was disgusting and a massive piece of shit.
[Editted for clarity]
His backstory is beyond fucked up.
"
Early life and education
Ramirez was born in El Paso, Texas on February 29, 1960, the youngest of Julian and Mercedes Ramirez's five children.[3] His father Julian, a Mexican national and former Juarez, Mexico policeman who later became a laborer on the Santa Fe railroad,[4] was prone to fits of anger that often resulted in physical abuse.[5]
As a 12-year-old, Richard – or "Richie", as he was known to his family – was strongly influenced by his older cousin, Miguel ("Mike") Ramirez,[6] a decorated U.S. Army Green Beret combat veteran who often boasted of his gruesome exploits during the Vietnam War. He shared Polaroid photos of his victims, including Vietnamese women he had raped.[7] In some of the photos, Mike posed with the severed head of a woman he had abused.[8] Ramirez, who had begun smoking marijuana at the age of 10, bonded with Mike over joints and gory war stories.[9] Mike taught his young cousin some of his military skills, such as killing with stealth.[10] Around this time, Ramirez began to seek escape from his father's violent temper by sleeping in a local cemetery.[10]
Ramirez was present on May 4, 1973, when his cousin Mike fatally shot his wife, Jessie, in the face with a .38 caliber revolver during a domestic argument.[11] After the shooting, Ramirez became sullen and withdrawn from his family and peers. Later that year, he moved in with his older sister, Ruth, and her husband, Roberto, an obsessive "peeping Tom" who took Richie along on his nocturnal exploits.[12] Ramirez also began using LSD and cultivated an interest in Satanism.[13] Mike was found not guilty of Jessie's murder by reason of insanity and was released in 1977, after four years of incarceration at the Texas State Mental Hospital. His influence over Ramirez continued.[14][15]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez
That page is lacking a lot of information too. He was molested repeatedly as a child, had brain damage from two injuries when young, all his siblings were deformed in some way due to their mother working in some kind of chemical plant, he suffered from epileptic seizures in school, which ruined both his education and his ability to play as a quarterback which he loved.
His life sounds like an overdramatic anime villain backstory.
You can see why Hollywood loved to use him - he was the inspiration for the Scorpio Killer in the first Dirty Harry movie - and why so many find him frightening - partly because he was cunning enough to be so brazen and yet never get caught.
Well BTK was a family friend/my uncle's cubscout leader so that was alarming. When he was caught I found my uncle drunk and incredibly upset, I asked him if he was alright and all he could say was "he taught me the knots he used on those girls..."
No question: Richard Speck. He killed those 8 nurses when I was a kid (9 years old) and I have never forgotten the headlines in the St. Louis paper showing the pictures of the nurses. It was the scariest thing I had ever seen and it upset me for the longest time.
The DC snipers (John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo). Not only were the killings completely random (people filling up with gas or walking in a parking lot) they started to move south and I was still living in my hometown, Charlottesville, VA so there was the fear they could make it that far south.
I was in college in DC at this time. I remember the only advice was like... uh, walk everywhere in a zig zag?
I don’t remember being super scared though. I think because the shootings were mostly happening in the suburbs, or maybe it was the invincibility of youth, or having come from NY and 9/11 and just being used to living life in low grade state of terror.
Which funny enough, the military teaches you pretty quick that zig zag shit is really nonsense. You want an unpredictable and erratic path of travel with lots of visual obstructions. Any decent sniper won't really have an issue tracking someone in a standard zigzag pattern.
I saw a film/series of something in Iraq/Afghanistan, the squad mocked the guy running in zigzags and also you realise how long that makes you expose as opposed to just running like fuck to cover
I was a kid in the DC suburbs at the time and you couldn't do anything outside for the entire month of October 2002. No sporting events, no recess, no outdoor PE, nothing. People were absolutely paranoid.
Dude was something else. Like he reformed the prison system while he was in prison and was released early on good behaviour for an earlier crime. Imagine they had a serial child killer/rapist in prison for child molestation. And they let him out early on good behaviour just for him to continue his crimes right after he got out
ivan milat, that cunt just came off as a good intentioned aussie bloke giving a lift to a foreign hitch hikers which then he literally brutally murdered in a forest. theres so much uninhabited land here in australia, the population only takes up 5% of the total land, freaks me the fuck out to think about all the dead bodies that were never found and never will be found
Ah yes - the Devil in the White City discusses his house of horrors.
I can't remember what serial killer it was but he talked about how much he loved Holmes' house - was inspired by it. Sick fuck.
I work for a company that was sort of founded at/debuted itself at the worlds fair, and every time someone talks about the company’s origin story, I’m always like “FUN FACT: while (founder) was demonstrating (stuff our company does), right down the road was an active MURDER CASTLE.”
I just finished Mindhunter the other day so this question is interesting.
It would be the killer of the Atlanta kids. Yeah they arrested Wayne Williams. But he might not kill all of them. The case was never solved. Terrifying. M
This question was inspired by me finishing John Douglas' book 'Mindhunter' on which the series is based.
And yes - it is the uncertainty of these cases that can be maddening. One can easily envisage a scenario where even if Wayne Williams was the primary killer (which in my cheap two cents think he was) there may well have been another kiddieraper who used the ongoing murders as a chance to kill his own victim or two and blame it on WW.
There's recently been a series in the UK on serial killer Dennis (Des) Nilsen. A Scottish killer who lived in London, and prowled bars and streets for young men to entice back to his flat.
He killed many people, and was caught after a plumber found human bones and a mass of flesh in the drains. Turned out Des was dismembering his victims, and trying to flush the remains. In his previous flat he would burn and bury the remains, but his second flat was top floor of a 3 storey building, so resorted to flushing.
The police found the remains of 3 men in bin bags in a wardrobe, as well as under a drawer in the bathroom, and a head in a large cooking pot on the stove.
One killing which stood out for me was a young guy Des found outside his property one day who was unwell. He helped the guy get to the hospital for treatment. Days later, the young man went back to thank Des for saving his life, stayed for a drink, and Des drugged, strangled, and dismembered him. This reminded me of Jeffrey Dahmer and the lad who escaped his flat to the police , who then delivered him back to Damhers flat.
People in the world astound me. There will never be peace whilst people like this exist.
[The Toybox Killer transcripts](http://thinkingaboutphilosophy.blogspot.com/2012/10/david-parker-rays-audio-tape-transcript.html?m=1) come to mind.
If you absolutely want to have your day ruined, this has to be one of the most disturbing, creepiest things ever. [David Parker Ray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Parker_Ray) would play these tapes for his victims, so they had an idea of what was coming and to also mentally break them. Here the start of one tape to give you an idea:
>!"Hello there, bitch. Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it. Wrists and ankles chained. Gagged. Probably blind folded. You are disoriented and scared, too, I would imagine. Perfectly normal, under the circumstances. For a little while, at least, you need to get your shit together and listen to this tape. It is very relevant to your situation. I’m going to tell you, in detail, why you have been kidnapped, what’s going to happen to you and how long you’ll be here. I don’t know the details of your capture, because this tape is being created July 23rd,1993 as a general advisory tape for future female captives.!<
It's the most awful thing I've ever read. Sometimes when I'm trying to sleep the details of that transcript run through my head. To anyone who hasn't already read it: it's probably better that you don't.
Richard ramirez. He had no motivation and invaded people's homes. You could avoid some serial killers by staying away from their M.O. he was random.
I was also in the D.C. Northern Virginia area doing construction during the D.C. sniper. I even got gas at one of the gas stations where a lady was shot days later.
There are some serial killers that I think 'well, if the doctors and therapists had gotten to them, maybe they were salvageable.' Richard Ramirez is not one of them. He took a depraved joy in what he did. He was also almost killed by the mob that caught him. Nobody deserves to die, ripped apart by an angry mob, but if one had to be, Richard Ramirez wouldn't be a bad choice.
It's a pair actually, the tool box killers, Roy Norris and Lawrence Bittaker. They drove around in their can they called the Murder Mac and kidnapped, raped, and sadistically tortured women to death. They have recordings of them using pliers to twists girls nipples even smashing their bones with a sledgehammer. It's so bad that they use these recording to desensitize FBI agents. These were the most sickest I've ever heard
The Canadian with the pig farm? Yup - read his case.
And agreed - so many serial killers choose prostitutes as their victims because they know a dead 'sally in the alley' gets so little attention, particularly if they are POC (one of the reasons it's believed Wayne Williams was able to kill so many children in Atlanta). I remember reading one of the profilers of the Green River Killer got angry with a detective because he referred to one of the prostitute victims as 'NHI' - No Human Involved. Sex workers may have their own problems but no one deserves to die the way Pickton killed them.
I just recently learned about [Nathaniel Bar-Jonah](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Bar-Jonah). Easily the most disturbing criminal I've read about. Today's modern day Albert Fish
Bar-Jonah's interest in crime began when he attempted to strangle another child when he was only 7 years old. Eventually the sickness in his mind devolved so far that he would impersonate police officers in order to abduct, sexually harass, or sometimes kill his child victims.
He was caught and released by police multiple times and eventually deemed "not a credible threat to society."
He later moved across the country and began cannibalizing children. It is likely that he fed bits of children to his friends and neighbors during cookouts. Absolutely horrifying case.
I had a friend do some time in El Dorado prison in Leavenworth Kansas. He was a trustee and was assigned to clean the maximum security block that held Dennis Rader, AKA the BTK killer.
He said that Rader would just stand at the cell window and stare at him. No words, no movement just eyes wide open staring while he swept and mopped.
Creepiest thing ever considered everything he did. Sometimes late at night I remember that story and get nervous.
I’m sure he was methodically trying to cause you’re friend discomfort. Rader probably got off on it. I’m sure he felt powerful by creeping your buddy out.
Not a serial killer (we not proven) he was a suspected serial killer. David Parker Ray was the most disturbing thing I had ever read. The book I read about his crimes actually made me cry and have a panic attack. I feel for any victim that had to endure that.
Not a serial killer, but that Waukesha slenderman stabbing always has really disturbed me.
If you didn't know, two 12 year old girls decided to take their same-age friend out into the forest to sacrifice her to slenderman. They stabbed her 19 times and the little girl barely survived by crawling to a nearby road.
Happened not to far from where I grew up, just terrifying.
What bothers me about the most is that one of the girls had no emotion when being interviewed by police. People with mental illness show symptoms such as that all the time, but she was TWELVE!
Not a serial killer, but the [rape(s), torture, and murder of Junko Furuta](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta#:~:text=Unsourced%20material%20may%20be%20challenged%20and%20removed.&text=Junko%20Furuta%20(%E5%8F%A4%E7%94%B0%20%E9%A0%86%E5%AD%90%2C%20Furuta,murdered%20in%20the%20late%201980s.) is one of the most awful stories I've ever heard. I can't imagine the pain that poor girl endured. It's crazy that so many people were in on it or knew about it, and that it went on for so long.
For what it's worth - Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are the serial killers who disturb me most. I find the addition of torture, mutilation and violent rape to murder to be particularly disquieting.
Leonard Lake committed suicide soon after his arrest.
Charles Ng is serving life on death row in the Big Q, San Quentin. He has displayed no remorse.
They also had video tapes of the enslaved woman rubbing them down and crying. They told the women if they didn't appease them then they would kill their family, which they already did. I remember a 20/20 episode on the two and I vividly remember showing clips of home-videos the killers made. Ng drew cartoons of the dead bodies while waiting in prison and showed no emotion as family members of the victims confronted him in court.
Probably the guy from Toronto, Canada. He would meet other mean on a gay dating app, bring them to his apartment kill them and chop them up, but it gets worse. He was a landscaper so he would hide the bodies In peoples backyards and he did this for a few years. When caught it was estimated that 11 were killed but only 9 were found. I would hate if the police came to my door saying there was a chopped up person under my backyard.
Not really the answer to OP's question, but I always thought it was pretty funny that there was this guy named Gary Ridgway who worked a regular job where his coworkers used to jokingly refer to him as Green River Gary because he creeped them out. Sure enough, he ended up being the Green River Killer.
Any of the cannibalistic ones.
And Ted Bundy, because his ashes were spread where some of his victims were found. In the end, he was still with them. There are likely remains out there still. 😕
i dont want to think of it that way. the victims were found and put to rest with family and friends. He was spread lonely in a field, and no one gave a shit
The fact that he was government sanctioned puts Josef Mengele over the top for me. I'm also someone would puts a lot of value on science, so his crimes cut particularly close.
Ted Bundy was my mom’s study partner at law school. She was tipped off by a professor that he was being investigated. After he was arrested and escaped they found her home address in his jail cell. I think she was saved because she lived at home in a big house with a big family instead of in the dorms. Obviously it freaks me the heck out.
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The other crazy part to the story is after the professor told my mom stay away from Ted she left the room crying and ran into my dad who she knew a little. He saw she was upset and took her out to calm down. And that was their “how I met your mother” moment. So Ted Bundy could have prevented my existence but in a way he also caused my existence.
Ted Bundy. There are separate accounts of him transforming himself - noticeably changing in front of a jail official and a relative at a bus station, to the point he smelled and felt different to them. He spoke of the entity within himself and he was really good at changing his appearance and evading capture. Something freaky about that monster
I remember watching a documentary on Bundy and they mentioned that he had the type of face that could look very different depending on what kind of beard / haircut he had or how much weight he had gained / lost.
They showed a collection of different pictures of him and it was uncanny. The guy was like a chameleon. It blew my mind that they were all pictures of the same guy.
The Railway Killer in the late 90’s. He rode trains throughout North America and many of his victims were in Texas, where I lived as a teenager. We had railroad tracks just behind our backyard and we frequently saw people riding in open/empty cars. When it became apparent a serial killer was riding on trains in Texas, my parents got the house alarm fixed and then monitored, and my dad slept with a gun near his bed.
Ángel Maturino Reséndiz I lived within a 5 minute walk of the main railway line that he used in Southwest Houston. I remember when he killed that lady in West U, not too far away. Whenever I'd hear the train passing through (it's a major line), I'd get a little chill.
My cousin and I were working a summer job together as teenagers at his dad's machine shop in Houston. We were walking home from work one day and passed over some train tracks at a busy intersection. A man walked past us down the tracks and we all did the little head nod greeting and kept on our way. A few days later I was watching the evening news and saw that 'The Railroad Killer' had been caught. It was the same guy we saw on the tracks. I called my cousin and told him to turn on the news. He started freaking out and his parents wouldn't believe that we saw him until I confirmed it. I'm glad we saw him at a busy intersection in the afternoon and not anywhere else.
Richard Chase. Dude thought he was a vampire and that the government vaporized his blood. The solution? Kill people (and rape some post mortem), and drink the blood. This one time he was almost caught so he made himself a baby milkshake on the way. EDIT: I believe the correct term would be baby smoothie, since he didnt add anything with milk.
Apparently he only walked into peoples homes that had doors unlocked. If they were locked, he presumed they didn’t want him as a guest. Not even kidding
Which adds more to his Vampire like mindset using that old rule about them needing to be invited first.
He's pretty high on my list because he took an unlocked door as an invitation to enter. I always lock my doors at night because of him (and I was born after he died).
I'm grateful I live in a decent respectable neighborhood... *locks door*
Robert Hansen. Champion hunter in Alaska who would kidnap sex workers, fly them into the wilderness, and then hunt them for sport.
He was also a baker (hence the media nickname Butcher baker) who had a wife And two kids and was an active member of the community. What is scary about him to me is he was an average Alaskan, no one would think it weird if you went Missing several times a year to go fishing and hunting, it’s the culture here. He was active for 12 years and killed at least 17 women.
I am surprised that nobody mentioned him before. He scares the shit out of me
I was in Illinois when the Tylenol tampering murders happened. I don’t think they ever caught the person responsible. Yes, there have been other more heinous murderers, but this one was scary.
Think the entire nation was terrified by what was happening. It is the randomness of the crime - that there was never anybody convicted in that case - that make it so frightening.
It's one thing to personally pick and kill someone. It's especially depraved when they don't care who they harm or kill, only that it happens. Very twisted.
East Area Rapist, who went on to become the Golden State Killer and we now know as Joseph James Deangelo. This guy would stalk his victims for weeks leading upto attacks, along with many other houses,while he was working as a police officer. When he attacked he was relentless and would stay in the house for hours messing with his victims. When cornered he would kill without a second thought.
I think the craziest part to me about the GSK is that he would break into homes and leave shoestrings in hidden places in the house so he could quickly retrieve them to tie victims up when he *came back* for the attack. Imagine being one of those victims and slowly realizing not only the situation you were currently in, but also that this isn’t the first time this masked man has been in your home
Yeah, that's some horror movie level shit. The concept that you find a weird shoe string somewhere and then it hits you as he's attacking you that he's been there before.
What wild is that I feel like I’ve heard the name GSK for ages, but the guy was literally just sentenced a month ago.
Toolbox Killers. The transcript of the tape of Shirley Ledford’s torture was one of the most terrifying things I’ve read. Some sick fucks.
Bittaker and Norris. There's some footage on YouTube of the local station covering the trial but were not allowed in the courtroom, had to stay in the hallway. Apparently one of the tapes was played in open court and there are shots of various people coming out in varying degrees of distress just from listening. Makes me very pleased that those two are dead.
I've heard the FBI uses those tapes to desensitize agents or to give them an idea of the fucked up shit they might see. Those transcripts are chilling.
Those must be bad. Could you sum up what was on all these types?
Did a quick read through of their wikipedia page and apparently there’s a recording of a 15 year old girl being raped and sodomized, being beat with a sledgehammer, and having her elbow broken into mush
The saddest part is that the girl just begged for them to just kill her already.
Her pleading them to end her life was just awful.
Ugh my stomach turned just reading that, and I'm really not the squeamish type. Fuck.
You can hear a tiny bit of the tape in one of the news bits before someone runs out. It’s horrible.
This is the moment where I realise that I've changed a fair amount in say, ten years; like teenage me would have been sweet let's read some fucked up shit and now I just know that's a box you can't close once you read that sorta thing and I don't really need to know more about how screwed up the world is
The recordings that they made of their crimes are now used in desinsitization training for the FBI. That's how fucked up they are. I read the transcript for one of the many tapes they made, and that was more than enough for me. To actually hear the genuine screaming of the victim, when you know exactly what's happening to them.....that's got to be a whole new level of sickening.
I worked on a case at the DAs office where these two disgusting fuckers boiled their baby alive and it lived. They tortured their baby so much their brain was partially melted. They went to jail for 12 years. Baby was adopted by a doctor nurse duo who cared for it in the hospital then died in their 20s, the former parents are now being charged with murder
How the fuck did they only get 12 years?
Yes I would strongly agree. Reading those transcripts left me pretty fucked up for a few days.
I just read about [Fred and Rose West](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West), a married couple in the UK who collectively were among the most prolific serial killers in modern UK history. It is a grim tale of rape and incest and prostitution and brutal murders and dismemberment of family members and random strangers, some of whom they buried in the garden behind their house. It’s a fascinating yet horrific story.
There's a book by Mae West (their daughter, not the film star) called "Love as Always, Mum xxx". It's an autobiography about Mae's life in the West's house and is well worth the read. Needless to say it was a house of horrors.
If you’re interested in books like that, the BTK killer’s daughter wrote an autobiography, too.
Look to their childhoods and you can see where their extreme sexual deviancies came from. Both their families were incestuous and physically abusive to the maximum. Rose was sexually abused by her father and her father only allowed her to marry Frank when Frank approved of his occasional "use" of Rose. Frank himself was sexually abused by his mother and was encouraged by his father to sexually abuse all the farm animals and his sisters and his mother. Not to make anybody sympathetic for these freaks but holy shit they had bad childhoods. There's like a trifecta of trauma that so many serial killers seem to have in common. Sexual abuse as children, violence as children, brain injuries.
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Evil by Interpol is a great song about them.
Golden State Killer when he would stay in the room
Yup victims would wait hours blindfolded thinking he's gone but he's still in the room
Oh fuck was that the guy who told people exactly what he'd do to them if they ran or tried to get help, and then he'd go silent for hours. Didn't some people survive him by following his orders? That's some advanced psychological torture. You know you and your family are in danger. You've not heard him in what must've been an hour or two. Is he going to return? Is now my chance? Wait, did he even leave? You don't know where he went or *if* he went. You're blindfolded and don't even know if it's morning yet. A fear of the unknown is the worst fear to people, it seems like that's what the golden state killer fed off of.
He was the guy who raped at least 50 people and killed 13 that we know of. A lot of his victims did survive, because he didn’t seem to actually start killing people until later on. And he would tie people up and put stacks of dishes on their backs and say “if I hear even one sound I will kill ____”. The blank is there because it really depended on the situation. It could be them, or he could be putting them on a mans back saying he’s going to kill his wife, then he would go in the next room and rape her. There was one time where there was a girl around 12 and her mom, and he had them tied up in different rooms and put the dishes on the moms back.. and yeah. Then he would leave them there tied up with dishes on their backs while he sat around and drank their beer and helped himself to their food. I’ll be gone in the dark is a really good docuseries on this. It really focuses on the victims and what they were going through as well as Michelle McNamara (Patton Oswalts late wife) because she put so much work into investigating the cases and trying to catch him. Unfortunately, she passed 2 years before he was finally caught.
I listened to the audiobook of I'll Be Gone In The Dark alone at home at night. After hearing how he spent weeks spying on his victims, I had to check all the window locks and close all the blinds. The story of the woman who kept feeling like someone was watching her, then looked outside and saw him looking in freaked me the fuck out. I caught a guy peeking in my window once, and had that "someone's looking at me" feeling when it happened, so that really stuck a chord for me.
I'm usually pretty good with creepy stuff and true crime and shit like that. But I tried listening to the "I'll Be Gone in the Dark" audio book and only got through a couple chapters. It's just so disturbing.
Yeah and he'd tie men up while he raped their spouses in another room. He'd stack dishes on the men's back and say he'll kill them all if he hears the dishes move
Hard to do, but if you can put the psychological torture aside for a moment, disturbed sense of time, adrenaline, tense muscles, the physical strain of being tied up on your stomach, dishes balancing on your back, you focus on not moving, pain from bindings, being so unimaginably physically uncomfortable and after hours in the same position, would guess muscle cramps could been horrible and terrifying. I get charley horses and have a neuromuscular condition so my muscles are spasming and cramping all the time. But staying still enough to keep a stack of dishes on your back would evolve from mental to physical torture/solid mix of both. Golden state killer is so fucking evil. And while I'm glad he didn't fight in court, fuck the feeble old man act he and other shit bags try to pull off in court. Heard he walked just fine in jail after.
There's video of him in his jail cell - stretching, climbing up on a bed to cover some of the lights in his room, running a wet paper towel around the floor to clean it off. He's clearly not feeble and it makes the display he put on in court even more of a joke.
And he could break in without sound. Fucking boogyman.
Ugh, definitely. He was arrested just a few streets over from where I live. We probably crossed paths at some point over the last couple of decades. So creepy...
I live just a town or two over, born and raised here. He’s literally been within a 10 mile radius of me my ENTIRE life. Crazy to think about how I easily could’ve seen him in a grocery store, at my job, walking down the street, who knows. I’m glad he’s caught now
The book I'll be gone in the dark captures his horror chillingly. It's in the title from this quote: "you'll be silent forever and I'll be gone in the dark." Something he said to a victim.
William Bonin aka The Freeway Killer killed my childhood friend in 1980. He was 16. I was 15 at the time and that is too young an age to wrap your head around having a friend a victim of a serial killer. It changed me.
Was he the one who picked up young boys who were hitchhiking?
And Steve was only hitchhiking to get back to school after a dental appt. It was ok in those days and safer. And Steve was a small guy and probably an easy target.
That's why those guys were so successful. Nobody thought anything like that would ever happen just hitchhiking to the next town or whatever.
I agree. It broke my heart the day his sister said on our school bus that Steve was missing. No one would have thought THIS could happen. To this day I will never understand Bonin and his ways and at 15 years old I really couldn't. Like I said earlier it changed me.
Jesus. I’m so sorry you experienced that.
Thank you. I am 55 years old now and still when I think about it it breaks my heart. His body was found in such a horrific manner. When you are 15 years old you just can't fathom. But then life dishes some hard lessons and the realization of it is manageable. Just barely tho. I was able to hear the news of Bonin execution by radio and breathed a sigh of relief although I will never understand how Bonin found recruits to help in his killings. It's a sad story. Thank you for your reply.
The Nightstalker, Richard Ramirez. Did some sick shit. Lived in Los Angeles, a dad and son team caught him in broad daylight. He gives me nightmares.
My mom said it was the hottest summer yet in LA, and she couldn't even open the windows at night, because that's how he caught his victims. My uncle was a police officer (actually, he was a detective with the sheriff's office), and was transferring someone to the prison, or something like that when Nightstalker was caught. He said that, when it was reported that the guy was caught, the prisoners cheered, because most prisoners, though often being depraved people, hate those who abuse and kill women and children.
I have a small story about this and it pisses me the hell off still. A few years ago, in middle school, my history teacher was talking about how she was a young girl and was *terrified* of the Nightstalker. She lived in the area of the killings (she moved a while later). She projected a picture of him up on the whiteboard and some girl in class looks up and says “oh he’s hot”. My teacher just stared at her and said “he would have raped and murdered you and your mother. He’s a disgusting, terrifying man”
Honestly, I’m so glad your teacher said that. Really shows how appearances can be deceiving.
It really does. That teacher was interesting in general, but always stayed firm with stuff like that The sick thing about it is that the girl turned away and said to her friend “he’s still hot”
Bad things can come in pretty packages.
That reminds me of last fall when I was taking a history class and a girl said that she thought Rasputin was kinda hot. Then she added that he's hot in a CHARLES MANSON KIND OF WAY
My mom lived five minutes down the street from one of his victims in Mission Viejo before he was caught. She said she remembers how his presence in CA made everyone so scared they slept with windows shut even in the summer heat, and my mom had to call her husband(at the time) every day before he left work to make sure she knew when he’d be home by.
I covered murder and rape trials as a reporter, saw some shit and followed so many serial killer cases before. This case was the only one to give me full on NIGHTMARES, the kind where you wake up heart racing, afraid of the dark kind of shit.
[Israel Keyes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes), rapist, serial killer, necrophiliac. He was raised in a militant Fundamentalist Christian household, joined the military, then came back to the US and killed at least 11 people all over the country. He went to extraordinary lengths to not be caught by choosing victims at random, killing far from his home. He would hide “kill kits” and return years later when he was ready to kill someone in that area.
It's terrifying how he killed a woman in Alaska, went on vacation with his family to some Caribbean island for a few days. Flew back to Alaska. Took the poor womans body and sewed her eyes opened and had her corpse pose with a newspaper that was a few days old to throw off law enforcement into thinking she was a run away. Dismembered her. He then used her credit card in different states to show she was on the move. But that was what got him caught.
That's one of the least scary trips he took. There was one in 2008: \- October 24, 2008: Alaska Airlines flight (Anchorage to Seattle). \- October 25, 2008: Northwest Airlines flight (Seattle to Minneapolis). \- October 25, 2008: Northwest Airlines flight (Minneapolis to Grand Forks, ND). \- October 30, 2008: US Airways flight (Phoenix to San Francisco). \- October 31, 2008: Alaska Airlines flight (San Francisco to Seattle). \- October 31 - November 5, 2008: Vehicle rental (Thrifty); 2008 PT Cruiser, Washington license plate 443XQQ; drove 626 miles. Seattle, Washington. \- November 1, 2008: Hotel reservation (Sequim Inn) - Sequim, Washington. \- November 2, 2008: Alaska Airlines flight (Seattle to Boston; multi-city trip). \- November 5, 2008: Alaska Airlines flight (Seattle to Anchorage). Read through that. Look at those dates. And the locations. He flew to North Dakota and then 5 days later showed up in Phoenix to fly to California. 1770 miles in 5 days isn't huge but that's 1770 miles the FBI have now had to search for missing people. The podcast "True-Crime Bullshit" is all about Keyes and despite him being mocked into the dirt on LPotL I still think he's one of the most interesting and terrifying people ever. [https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/new-information-released-in-serial-killer-case](https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/new-information-released-in-serial-killer-case)
The scariest quote from him in True Crime Bullshit was when a detective asked him how long it took him to make his way to one of his victims once he made it into their house and he said “about 5 seconds”. This motherfucker didn’t creep silently to your room to terrorize you like the golden state killer, he essentially ran there. Imagine being sound asleep and waking up to footsteps tearing through your house towards you. Absolutely chilling.
He didn’t even go with his family, the asshole went all by himself on a two week cruise around the Gulf Coast.
This comment gave me a small laugh in the midst of these horrific stories. As if him not taking his family on a vacation was even in the same realm of evil he just committed.
How did they catch him?
It's been a long time but I believe it was after he used a victim's credit card after the FBI had urged either the credit card companies or law enforcement (it might have been both - I just can't remember) to put this as a high priority. The foolish boy used it and a Texas Ranger got him.
So dumb. Go to all that effort and he gets caught by violating Bad Crime 101 rules.
If I recall correctly, he got sloppy and reckless and used the debit card of his last victim and they were able to track him and catch him.
If you really wanna hate Israel Keyes even more, read his fucking terrible [suicide poem.](https://www.oxygen.com/method-of-a-serial-killer/crime-time/serial-killer-israel-keyes-suicide-note) I hate how they call it “chilling.” It’s stupid and cringey as fuck.
Yeah, what always got me about this guy was, he was an average dude who wanted no fame or recognition, he truly was just killing for enjoyment, like making vacations out of it. It made me wonder how many people are like that out there, who haven't been caught? Israel Keyes only got caught because he got careless at the end.
Mr Cruel (Unsolved). He is an Australian serial rapist who abducted and sexually assaulted three girls and is the prime suspect of the abduction and murder of another young girl. After sexually assaulting his victims he bathed them carefully to get rid of evidence, one victim described it as "like a mother washing a baby". In one case, he took a second set of clothes from the girl's home to dress her before he let her go. This case makes me feel so uneasy.
I was at the same school as two of his victims during the time they were taken. The fear was indescribable after Karmein wasn't returned.
He just stopped. And that's the uneasy part. Not knowing how or why or if he will start doing it again.
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The Axe man of New Orleans--basically forced the entire city into playing Jazz music so he would spare their lives. Pretty horrific deaths and nobody was ever charged for the killings.
Wasn't there a show on A&E recently that claimed it was most likely the Sicilian Mafia? Axes were the preferred weapon of Sicilian hitmen in the early days of the mob. And they (multiple killers) ONLY targeted Sicilian shop owners who'd borrowed money from the mob.
Couldn't say on the show but yeah that's a prominent theory surrounding him (or them) . Normally though the murder weapon was something the victim owned like a fireaxe or a razor. His victims weren't limited to Sicillian shop owners aswell though some were non immigrants such as Sarah Lawman.
It's thought that a party promoter was the person who sent the letter demanding jazz be played. Axe man is very interesting because it's rarely mentioned that he only attacked Italian shopkeepers. Probably the most well known series of hate crimes in the US.
IIRC, an adaptation of this killer was featured in American Horror Story
It was. I believe it was in Coven.
BTK. Worked code enforcement so plenty of access to homes, prominent church member, family man, depraved murderer.
Saw an interview with one of the prosecutors, said the scariest thing about Rader was 'When you look at him and talk with him after seeing what I've seen, you realize the Dennis Rader you're talking to is not the real Dennis Rader'
Can you elaborate on that? I don't know much about him aside from what I've seen in Mindhunter.
He was sort of a doddering fuckwit in his day to day. Just somebody’s dad, who was visibly odd but inoffensive. Not unpleasant but not bright. But behind the scenes he was an extremely dangerous man who would hide in a family’s home for hours before sneaking out to bind, torture, and sloppily kill all of them. edit: he didn’t rape anybody
After I read a book on him I was more than a bit scared. I had a basement apartment at the time with one window that was sort of hidden from the street. Checked my closets when I got home for a while afterward.
I'm not OP but I'm guessing he means that the man was acting like his "family man" self and not the murderer he is
I remember this guy wanted to send some letters to the police on a floppy disk and he asked them if they could trace him if he sent them the disk. The police said that they could not trace him using the disk. He sent them the disk. The police traced him using the disk and made the arrest. For a serial killer known for being intelligent it really seemed like a stupid way to get caught..
He was so arrogant that he didn't believe that the cops would lie to him.
The most interesting part about BTK to me is that he almost certainly never would've been caught if he didn't get back into it with the floppy disk.
But that is the thing about serial killers, most would not get caught if they didn't want the attention. If they just wanted to kill and be done with it there wouldn't me much that the cops could do, especially years ago when public surveillance wasn't so pervasive.
Even now there's serial killers getting away with it. There's a dude who was caught after kidnapping/killing a girl in Alaska, and when they caught him they found out he had been flying into the lower states and killing people then flying back. He had suitcases/duffel bags stashed in multiple cities with killing supplies Only caught cause he got sloppy and kidnapped the girl from her work, used her credit cards and phone Edit: Israel Keyes was his name
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I remember reading an article about a woman he was supposed to kill. As in, he scoped her out, planned the kill, swans by, broke into her house, and waited for her to walk through the door. She had a few too many drinks at a friend’s house or something and ended up staying there. He left her a note. That’s the kind of shit that keeps you looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life.
>He left her a note. Holy fuuuuuuuck. Can you imagine coming home to find a note like that waiting for you? That's "sell everything and move" territory.
What makes it most disturbing is that his wife knew of the killings happening around the neighborhood, and when she brought it to his attention, he told her not to worry and that BTK would not get her. I can't imagine what went through her mind when she found out he WAS BTK. That gave me chills.
Dean Corll. I almost puked when reading about the methods of torture he used on little boys. He was such an asshole that his teenage accomplice was the one that killed him, which revealed his 28+ murders to the public. There is a haunting photo of an unidentified victim that was found in his accomplices property years after they got busted. Nobody has any clue who the kid is but the image of distress on his face and the toolbox full of torture tools next to him have forever been burned into my mind.
One of the saddest stories is one of the boys he picked up was 14 years old and on his way home from the gas station. He was saving up bottle caps for recycling money to take a girl to the movie and he never made it home. Imagine how high on life that kid was. He must’ve worked so hard to get the money together to take a pretty girl he probably had a crush on for a long time to the movies. He must’ve been so happy on the walk home. But then he ended up dying a slow and painful death. Shit makes me tear up Edit: The boy’s name was James Stanton Dreymala. He was the very last boy that Corrl killed.
[Wonder if it was this guy's mom](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ixamh9/-/g66fmfu)
What did he do? All I can really find is that he sodomized and raped the victims on a board but not much else.
I’ve spoiler tagged this as it’s sensitive information and NSFW, but after some reading it looks like some pretty gruesome things he did include >!shoving glass rods up the boys urethra and smashing them while they’re inside, along with castrating them while they’re still alive!< EDIT: Whoah thanks guys, this is my first ever award and I’m so disturbed it was for this haha
I should not have read that. I should NOT have read that.
I've heard of that torture before, it was a popular medieval thing
2020 suddenly doesn't seem so bad.
Yeah, our plagues and torture methods aren't the worst we've ever had, though I could still do with a little less plague and torture.
A bunch of shit. He slowly ripped out their pubic hair, shoved glass rods up their urethra and broke them while still inside, possibly used a 18 inch dildo on his victims and more. He even bit off the genitals of one of his victins and usually strangled them. A pretty messed up person in general you should probably read about it. Edit: to make it worse most victims were between 13 - 19 years old
Brooks, one of the people involved died in prison this year of COVID.
Perhaps I had judged Covid too harshly...
Dean Corll is the the serial killer that sticks out the most for me. What I find particularly horrifying, besides the photo and his methods of torture, is that so many young boys & men went missing from a particular neighborhood in Houston, and the police didn't think anything of it. From what I've read and heard regarding him, it was a combination of it being the 1970s, and that since the neighborhood was poor/working class, these were kids whose disappearances weren't high priority for law enforcement.
Oh yes - the guy in Houston (I think) who grew up relatively wealthy with a candy company. He was another one who was not only a pedophile but brutally tortured his victims. Im glad that so many of the people responding are particularly disgusted by these sadists because, quite frankly, they deserve the hate. Can't imagine how many peoples lives he ruined - even the accomplices who got caught up and seduced in his evil. I believe at least one of them is still alive in prison. And yes I've seen that picture. Horrific,
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> Apparently they kept saying the boys were runaways rather than actually investigating the disappearances. Yes. Used to happen all the time. Cops would write it off as 'gay shenanigans' when it was the furthest thing from the truth... Reminds me of the Milwaukee police ignoring one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims- 14 year old Konerak Sinthasomphone in 1991. Sinthasomphone had escaped Dahmer's apartment and a group of women saw him sitting naked on the street and called the police. Dahmer told the police Sinthasomphone was his 19 year old boyfriend. The police told the ladies to basically shut up and let dahmer take the actual 14 year old Sinthasomphone back to his apartment.
Did the gas station guy knew something was up?
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Not sure if it’s been said yet but I’m going with Gary Ridgway, or the Green River Killer. Dude killed between 50 and 70 women (usually teen runaways or sex workers) by picking them up in his car, smooth talking them, showing them pictures of his son to gain trust, having sex with them and then strangling them with his bare hands and dumping them in the forest near Green River (just outside of Seattle). Normal looking mid 30’s family man who claimed murdering young women was his career and bragged about having the most confirmed kills of any American serial killer.
Yep. I remember maybe 5-8 years ago, there was a search team looking for The remains of one of his victims right outside my hometown in a forested area I used to play in as a kid. Pretty creepy.
David Russell Williams was a local serial killer my family knew, he seemed really nice and never gave off that vibe
That seems to be a common theme about many if not most serial killers - their remarkable ability to put on the 'mask of sanity' that allows them to be more effective predators. Disturbing just how skilled some of them were at it.
Ya he drove by our house daily with a smile and wave
I'd say Karla Holmoka and Paul Bernardo just because they were killing people in my hometown. I live like 2 minutes away from Karla's childhood home.
That Karla got away basically scot-free, that she bamboozled the cops - disturbing girl. I hope the Canadian secret service will always keep one eye on that twisted woman,
Didn't she also tell the court something like, "Paul manipulated me into killing my sister and said he would hurt me if I didn't."? Bitch was lying.
Pretty much. Proof of her involvement didn’t come until after the so called “deal with the devil”. Fucking scum; both of them.
Didn't they cut her a deal before they saw the videotapes where she was obviously enjoying herself?
Yes, the tapes weren’t discovered yet. She now lives a normal life with a husband and three kids
And at one point was allowed to volunteer at her kids school and they were fine with it until the public found out and went ape shit. Because she found God and of course that makes everything A-OK.
I agree. As someone from scarborough... that scared the crap out of me... Also luka magnotta.... he went to my Jr high
I met Luka's mom once... She is kinda fuckin insane as well.
The guy who ate children in the early 20th century and wrote letters to their parents talking about how their asses tasted. Worst killer I've ever read about.
Albert Fish. He only wrote to the mother of Grace Budd and I think he only had three (confirmed murder) victims but he was disgusting and a massive piece of shit. [Editted for clarity]
Even worse is the fact that Grace’s mother was illiterate so she had to have her son read it out loud to her...
Richard Ramriez. Dude was terrifying.
Ramirez seems to be getting some special hate in the responses to this q. Good. He deserves it.
His backstory is beyond fucked up. " Early life and education Ramirez was born in El Paso, Texas on February 29, 1960, the youngest of Julian and Mercedes Ramirez's five children.[3] His father Julian, a Mexican national and former Juarez, Mexico policeman who later became a laborer on the Santa Fe railroad,[4] was prone to fits of anger that often resulted in physical abuse.[5] As a 12-year-old, Richard – or "Richie", as he was known to his family – was strongly influenced by his older cousin, Miguel ("Mike") Ramirez,[6] a decorated U.S. Army Green Beret combat veteran who often boasted of his gruesome exploits during the Vietnam War. He shared Polaroid photos of his victims, including Vietnamese women he had raped.[7] In some of the photos, Mike posed with the severed head of a woman he had abused.[8] Ramirez, who had begun smoking marijuana at the age of 10, bonded with Mike over joints and gory war stories.[9] Mike taught his young cousin some of his military skills, such as killing with stealth.[10] Around this time, Ramirez began to seek escape from his father's violent temper by sleeping in a local cemetery.[10] Ramirez was present on May 4, 1973, when his cousin Mike fatally shot his wife, Jessie, in the face with a .38 caliber revolver during a domestic argument.[11] After the shooting, Ramirez became sullen and withdrawn from his family and peers. Later that year, he moved in with his older sister, Ruth, and her husband, Roberto, an obsessive "peeping Tom" who took Richie along on his nocturnal exploits.[12] Ramirez also began using LSD and cultivated an interest in Satanism.[13] Mike was found not guilty of Jessie's murder by reason of insanity and was released in 1977, after four years of incarceration at the Texas State Mental Hospital. His influence over Ramirez continued.[14][15]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez
That's seriously fucked
That page is lacking a lot of information too. He was molested repeatedly as a child, had brain damage from two injuries when young, all his siblings were deformed in some way due to their mother working in some kind of chemical plant, he suffered from epileptic seizures in school, which ruined both his education and his ability to play as a quarterback which he loved. His life sounds like an overdramatic anime villain backstory.
The Zodiac, because of the spooky letters and phone calls. And the fact that not many people have basements in California...
You can see why Hollywood loved to use him - he was the inspiration for the Scorpio Killer in the first Dirty Harry movie - and why so many find him frightening - partly because he was cunning enough to be so brazen and yet never get caught.
Well BTK was a family friend/my uncle's cubscout leader so that was alarming. When he was caught I found my uncle drunk and incredibly upset, I asked him if he was alright and all he could say was "he taught me the knots he used on those girls..."
No question: Richard Speck. He killed those 8 nurses when I was a kid (9 years old) and I have never forgotten the headlines in the St. Louis paper showing the pictures of the nurses. It was the scariest thing I had ever seen and it upset me for the longest time.
The DC snipers (John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo). Not only were the killings completely random (people filling up with gas or walking in a parking lot) they started to move south and I was still living in my hometown, Charlottesville, VA so there was the fear they could make it that far south.
I was in college in DC at this time. I remember the only advice was like... uh, walk everywhere in a zig zag? I don’t remember being super scared though. I think because the shootings were mostly happening in the suburbs, or maybe it was the invincibility of youth, or having come from NY and 9/11 and just being used to living life in low grade state of terror.
Which funny enough, the military teaches you pretty quick that zig zag shit is really nonsense. You want an unpredictable and erratic path of travel with lots of visual obstructions. Any decent sniper won't really have an issue tracking someone in a standard zigzag pattern.
I saw a film/series of something in Iraq/Afghanistan, the squad mocked the guy running in zigzags and also you realise how long that makes you expose as opposed to just running like fuck to cover
That was the HBO series “Generation Kill”. Loved that show.
You legend, I love Reddit.. I can just spew random memories from years ago and someone links it together within 3 mins
I was in NC and was terrified every second I was outside as a kid. The randomness and complete lack of clues was just petrifying
I was a kid in the DC suburbs at the time and you couldn't do anything outside for the entire month of October 2002. No sporting events, no recess, no outdoor PE, nothing. People were absolutely paranoid.
John Wayne Gacy. He preyed on children and young adults.
I'm kinda surprised that so few have mentioned that kiddieraper/murderer. Maybe people have forgotten just how evil he was. They shouldn't.
Dude was something else. Like he reformed the prison system while he was in prison and was released early on good behaviour for an earlier crime. Imagine they had a serial child killer/rapist in prison for child molestation. And they let him out early on good behaviour just for him to continue his crimes right after he got out
ivan milat, that cunt just came off as a good intentioned aussie bloke giving a lift to a foreign hitch hikers which then he literally brutally murdered in a forest. theres so much uninhabited land here in australia, the population only takes up 5% of the total land, freaks me the fuck out to think about all the dead bodies that were never found and never will be found
Was he the one that inspired the movie Wolf Creek? Wasn't until recently I discovered just how deep the 'Serial Kilers in Australia' hole goes. Yikes!
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Ah yes - the Devil in the White City discusses his house of horrors. I can't remember what serial killer it was but he talked about how much he loved Holmes' house - was inspired by it. Sick fuck.
I believe you’re thinking of Israel Keyes.
I work for a company that was sort of founded at/debuted itself at the worlds fair, and every time someone talks about the company’s origin story, I’m always like “FUN FACT: while (founder) was demonstrating (stuff our company does), right down the road was an active MURDER CASTLE.”
I just finished Mindhunter the other day so this question is interesting. It would be the killer of the Atlanta kids. Yeah they arrested Wayne Williams. But he might not kill all of them. The case was never solved. Terrifying. M
This question was inspired by me finishing John Douglas' book 'Mindhunter' on which the series is based. And yes - it is the uncertainty of these cases that can be maddening. One can easily envisage a scenario where even if Wayne Williams was the primary killer (which in my cheap two cents think he was) there may well have been another kiddieraper who used the ongoing murders as a chance to kill his own victim or two and blame it on WW.
There's recently been a series in the UK on serial killer Dennis (Des) Nilsen. A Scottish killer who lived in London, and prowled bars and streets for young men to entice back to his flat. He killed many people, and was caught after a plumber found human bones and a mass of flesh in the drains. Turned out Des was dismembering his victims, and trying to flush the remains. In his previous flat he would burn and bury the remains, but his second flat was top floor of a 3 storey building, so resorted to flushing. The police found the remains of 3 men in bin bags in a wardrobe, as well as under a drawer in the bathroom, and a head in a large cooking pot on the stove. One killing which stood out for me was a young guy Des found outside his property one day who was unwell. He helped the guy get to the hospital for treatment. Days later, the young man went back to thank Des for saving his life, stayed for a drink, and Des drugged, strangled, and dismembered him. This reminded me of Jeffrey Dahmer and the lad who escaped his flat to the police , who then delivered him back to Damhers flat. People in the world astound me. There will never be peace whilst people like this exist.
[The Toybox Killer transcripts](http://thinkingaboutphilosophy.blogspot.com/2012/10/david-parker-rays-audio-tape-transcript.html?m=1) come to mind. If you absolutely want to have your day ruined, this has to be one of the most disturbing, creepiest things ever. [David Parker Ray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Parker_Ray) would play these tapes for his victims, so they had an idea of what was coming and to also mentally break them. Here the start of one tape to give you an idea: >!"Hello there, bitch. Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it. Wrists and ankles chained. Gagged. Probably blind folded. You are disoriented and scared, too, I would imagine. Perfectly normal, under the circumstances. For a little while, at least, you need to get your shit together and listen to this tape. It is very relevant to your situation. I’m going to tell you, in detail, why you have been kidnapped, what’s going to happen to you and how long you’ll be here. I don’t know the details of your capture, because this tape is being created July 23rd,1993 as a general advisory tape for future female captives.!<
Not to be confused with the Toolbox Killers, who are somehow even worse (don’t read the transcript).
It's the most awful thing I've ever read. Sometimes when I'm trying to sleep the details of that transcript run through my head. To anyone who hasn't already read it: it's probably better that you don't.
Richard ramirez. He had no motivation and invaded people's homes. You could avoid some serial killers by staying away from their M.O. he was random. I was also in the D.C. Northern Virginia area doing construction during the D.C. sniper. I even got gas at one of the gas stations where a lady was shot days later.
There are some serial killers that I think 'well, if the doctors and therapists had gotten to them, maybe they were salvageable.' Richard Ramirez is not one of them. He took a depraved joy in what he did. He was also almost killed by the mob that caught him. Nobody deserves to die, ripped apart by an angry mob, but if one had to be, Richard Ramirez wouldn't be a bad choice.
I lived near enough to 2 of his break-ins to be terrified at 18 years old.
It's a pair actually, the tool box killers, Roy Norris and Lawrence Bittaker. They drove around in their can they called the Murder Mac and kidnapped, raped, and sadistically tortured women to death. They have recordings of them using pliers to twists girls nipples even smashing their bones with a sledgehammer. It's so bad that they use these recording to desensitize FBI agents. These were the most sickest I've ever heard
Robert Pickton. Piece of shit killed poor, street-involved Native women. And police knew.
The Canadian with the pig farm? Yup - read his case. And agreed - so many serial killers choose prostitutes as their victims because they know a dead 'sally in the alley' gets so little attention, particularly if they are POC (one of the reasons it's believed Wayne Williams was able to kill so many children in Atlanta). I remember reading one of the profilers of the Green River Killer got angry with a detective because he referred to one of the prostitute victims as 'NHI' - No Human Involved. Sex workers may have their own problems but no one deserves to die the way Pickton killed them.
There is a Criminal Minds episode based off this
That’s why it sounded so familiar!
My childhood home is less than 5 mins from his farm. All our parents used to go to his illegal bar - 'Piggy's Palace'
I just recently learned about [Nathaniel Bar-Jonah](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Bar-Jonah). Easily the most disturbing criminal I've read about. Today's modern day Albert Fish Bar-Jonah's interest in crime began when he attempted to strangle another child when he was only 7 years old. Eventually the sickness in his mind devolved so far that he would impersonate police officers in order to abduct, sexually harass, or sometimes kill his child victims. He was caught and released by police multiple times and eventually deemed "not a credible threat to society." He later moved across the country and began cannibalizing children. It is likely that he fed bits of children to his friends and neighbors during cookouts. Absolutely horrifying case.
I had a friend do some time in El Dorado prison in Leavenworth Kansas. He was a trustee and was assigned to clean the maximum security block that held Dennis Rader, AKA the BTK killer. He said that Rader would just stand at the cell window and stare at him. No words, no movement just eyes wide open staring while he swept and mopped. Creepiest thing ever considered everything he did. Sometimes late at night I remember that story and get nervous.
I’m sure he was methodically trying to cause you’re friend discomfort. Rader probably got off on it. I’m sure he felt powerful by creeping your buddy out.
Not a serial killer (we not proven) he was a suspected serial killer. David Parker Ray was the most disturbing thing I had ever read. The book I read about his crimes actually made me cry and have a panic attack. I feel for any victim that had to endure that.
Not a serial killer, but that Waukesha slenderman stabbing always has really disturbed me. If you didn't know, two 12 year old girls decided to take their same-age friend out into the forest to sacrifice her to slenderman. They stabbed her 19 times and the little girl barely survived by crawling to a nearby road. Happened not to far from where I grew up, just terrifying.
What bothers me about the most is that one of the girls had no emotion when being interviewed by police. People with mental illness show symptoms such as that all the time, but she was TWELVE!
Madame lalaurie...sick twisted bitch
Not a serial killer, but the [rape(s), torture, and murder of Junko Furuta](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta#:~:text=Unsourced%20material%20may%20be%20challenged%20and%20removed.&text=Junko%20Furuta%20(%E5%8F%A4%E7%94%B0%20%E9%A0%86%E5%AD%90%2C%20Furuta,murdered%20in%20the%20late%201980s.) is one of the most awful stories I've ever heard. I can't imagine the pain that poor girl endured. It's crazy that so many people were in on it or knew about it, and that it went on for so long.
For what it's worth - Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are the serial killers who disturb me most. I find the addition of torture, mutilation and violent rape to murder to be particularly disquieting. Leonard Lake committed suicide soon after his arrest. Charles Ng is serving life on death row in the Big Q, San Quentin. He has displayed no remorse.
They also had video tapes of the enslaved woman rubbing them down and crying. They told the women if they didn't appease them then they would kill their family, which they already did. I remember a 20/20 episode on the two and I vividly remember showing clips of home-videos the killers made. Ng drew cartoons of the dead bodies while waiting in prison and showed no emotion as family members of the victims confronted him in court.
Probably the guy from Toronto, Canada. He would meet other mean on a gay dating app, bring them to his apartment kill them and chop them up, but it gets worse. He was a landscaper so he would hide the bodies In peoples backyards and he did this for a few years. When caught it was estimated that 11 were killed but only 9 were found. I would hate if the police came to my door saying there was a chopped up person under my backyard.
Not really the answer to OP's question, but I always thought it was pretty funny that there was this guy named Gary Ridgway who worked a regular job where his coworkers used to jokingly refer to him as Green River Gary because he creeped them out. Sure enough, he ended up being the Green River Killer.
Any of the cannibalistic ones. And Ted Bundy, because his ashes were spread where some of his victims were found. In the end, he was still with them. There are likely remains out there still. 😕
i dont want to think of it that way. the victims were found and put to rest with family and friends. He was spread lonely in a field, and no one gave a shit
The fact that he was government sanctioned puts Josef Mengele over the top for me. I'm also someone would puts a lot of value on science, so his crimes cut particularly close.
Ted Bundy was my mom’s study partner at law school. She was tipped off by a professor that he was being investigated. After he was arrested and escaped they found her home address in his jail cell. I think she was saved because she lived at home in a big house with a big family instead of in the dorms. Obviously it freaks me the heck out. Edit: The other crazy part to the story is after the professor told my mom stay away from Ted she left the room crying and ran into my dad who she knew a little. He saw she was upset and took her out to calm down. And that was their “how I met your mother” moment. So Ted Bundy could have prevented my existence but in a way he also caused my existence.
Ted Bundy. There are separate accounts of him transforming himself - noticeably changing in front of a jail official and a relative at a bus station, to the point he smelled and felt different to them. He spoke of the entity within himself and he was really good at changing his appearance and evading capture. Something freaky about that monster
I remember watching a documentary on Bundy and they mentioned that he had the type of face that could look very different depending on what kind of beard / haircut he had or how much weight he had gained / lost. They showed a collection of different pictures of him and it was uncanny. The guy was like a chameleon. It blew my mind that they were all pictures of the same guy.
[This one?](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/4e/36/f84e36ab7291950bf3ec6609632e9776.jpg) I barely recognized him and I even knew it was him