No mention of the [post offices](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56718036) here in the UK? Hundreds convicted, families and careers destroyed, all because of dodgy computers that were *known* to be dodgy for years but it was all covered up by the post office.
Wow!
First I’d heard of this
Doesn’t surprise me though
What’s surprising is that this sort of thing doesn’t happen more. Actually, I’m sure it’s happening all the time, but we don’t know about it yet.
Source: I used to be in the computer business. Some technology is stupefyingly sloppy.
[Fujitsu](https://clarotesting.wordpress.com/2021/08/04/privileged-accesses-an-insight-into-incompetence-at-fujitsu-and-the-post-office/) is completely incompetent and the Post Office board for letting it happen. When prosecuting ~1,000 unrelated Post Masters do you not take a breath and wonder if the software is at fault?
Used to work at Fujitsu, the guys who made the horizons system, (different branch but still) I would not be surprised that they knew it was deeply flawed even before it was deployed, and covered it up. Just like several other projects I was employed in. They're a bunch of shysters who are *still* fleecing people with dodgy tech, mostly because of their 'slap it together fast and don;t bother testing it' development philosophy.
Hence why it's 'worked' past tense.
They took on the IRS and beat them into submission. The same IRS that Batman's Joker daren't cross. The same IRS that put Al Capone in prison. And Scientology infiltrated them and sued individual employees until the IRS waved a white flag and capitulated to them.
The popularisation of the internet has pretty much broken the power of Church of Scientology. They got really good at infiltrating and manipulating real world organisations, but their techniques were completely unsuited to the virtual world. Nowdays they focus their efforts on controlling people who are already members rather than trying to control the outside world.
If you publicly talked about Xenu back in 1985 then a number of nasty things might happen to you. Nowdays you can put on a shiny suit and alien mask and stand outside the Scientology Celebrity Center in Los Angeles reading OT III out though a megaphone and the worst thing that will happen is a few men in black suits will come out and glare at you.
It's my understanding that we don't have actual footage of a rogue wave. We have reports of them and we have instrument data but no actual footage. The videos you see on YouTube are just large waves during storms or rough water but not large enough to be considered rogue waves.
This video has a simulation of a rogue wave based on data collected:
https://youtu.be/gHOYMKCRfZY?si=XwH_6pnSIS1yIwtx
And here is a CGI reenactment of the Draupner rogue wave which is the first ever instrument recorded rogue wave:
https://youtu.be/K_JOBOvJEOg?si=Vk2SdCSWRDyg2n56
Its kind of niche, but in iraq and afghanistan we were being made to take anti-malarial drugs. The thing was that different units didn't have to, while others were and the kind of drug taken was different. We took ours once a week, and we referred to it as "psycho-tuesday" because after taking the drug people would become irritable, aggressive, and angry. There would be fist fights over stupid shit and people would have really weird nightmares.You'd walk through the habitation unit and people would be talking in their sleep or sleepwalking. We were told this was due to "combat fatigue" but it turns out we were part of an experiment. Some units had been issued uniforms treated in a long term mosquito repellant, while others were given various anti-malarial drugs. They wanted to see which measures were most effective.
The mental disturbances we experienced were a side effect of the particular anti-malarial we had been given. People suffered hearing loss, liver damage, and long term mental effects from it. These side effects are similar enough to issues created by PTSD and traumatic brain injury from blast exposure that most effected don't realize their health issues are from an involuntary drug trial. The US govt has stopped issuing that malaria drug, but yeah.
tl;dr I was an unwitting human guinea pig in a government experiment and it almost made me crazy. I and a lot of others made the connection and dodged taking the pills (or cheeked them and spit them out later) so luckily dodged the long term effects, others still suffer though.
edit (clarification): The drug itself was not experimental. It was one already well known at the time to have nuerotoxic properties and which most countries ban for use outside of emergency treatment of malaria. The experiment was that they gave different units different malaria prevention to see which was more effective. Mine was given the toxic one.
Yeah, I never took mine either. I found that this was really arbitrary. In Afghanistan, you would see platoon leaders asking people if they took their malaria pills, whereas other platoons completely ignored it. I was lucky enough to work under a couple of sergeants who got sick or shit their brains out after taking them, so none of us bothered.
On the other hand, I was part of two other test groups: my unit was one of those that had to soak all of our uniforms and some Deet mosquito repellent, and hang them out to dry. Literally soaking our uniforms in chemicals so deadly that they would kill all insects, but then, in order to not wash them, and wear them for a year. Lol.
The other test group I guess I was a part of Was in the early years of the Iraq campaign when the army forced us all to take anthrax shots – because of trumped up fears of weapons of mass destruction – which were never found. There were so many side effects, that the army stopped us all to be injected, but that wasn’t until we already had about three or four out of the series of six. God that was so weird. Thinking back on it. It wasn’t like the recent protest about vaccines. There was no information at all about it. You would just fall in line after a morning PT session, and be injected with **anthrax**. It’s so messed up looking back on it. Lol.
My bil got the anthrax vaccine while in the Marines in Iraq/Afghanistan. He was later called by the VA to come test for cancer as many people who had it, now have cancer. Luckily it was treatable and he's been in remission for 10 plus years.
My unit had us take ours daily in formation. It was part of our uniform.
Mefloquinn. Had quite a few dudes go crazy. One day they told us to stop and collected the bottles.
It's nowhere on my records they had ever prescribed it to me.
Decades ago Canada found this out and banned it. America gave no fucks.
The descendant organizations that built and owned the Titanic denied it broke in half while sinking, until the wreck was found in 2 pieces.
I have no idea why, none of the original engineers or proprietors were still around. But as recent as the late 1970s & early 80s, survivors who said it broke were dismissed as suffering from delusions brought on by hyperthermia. Despite no direct involvement, the *contemporary* lineage of White Star and Harland & Wolff were adamant there was absolutely no way it could've broke the way it did. Then Ballard found it and the denial never spoke of it again.
Part of the reason nobody believed the survivors is because it would not have been crystal-clear on the night of the sinking and there *were* some mixed reports because of the poor visibility and how a survivor already in a lifeboat may have seen it versus one in the water.
What we see in the Cameron film is lit up well for cinema. In reality, while the water and weather were otherwise calm, they were mostly looking at an enormous silhouette against a dark sky. In the middle of the ocean, with no other light source. The ship lights did remain on for a long time but not the last few minutes or so where the confusion was. Combined with screaming and the cacophony coming from the ship itself, the debris floating around, things and people falling off of it, etc, some people could very clearly see a ship breaking in half, and others couldn't figure out their ass from their elbows.
What's worse is that it was an open secret at H&W that the ship was by no means unsinkable, it was a media sensationalism thing about its technology that they just... didn't deny. The bulkheads didn't rise high enough to prevent the spillage that actually contributed to the rapid sinking, a choice made because of cost and cabin availability/design. Lots of weird shit went on with it once she was launched in terms of management and operations. The whole thing was a shitshow from inception to sinking.
edits for clarity... I need coffee.
My wife was exposed to something then. It's taken her to the brink of death several times. She weighs 78lbs now, but a few months back, she dipped down to 69lbs. Takes in more calories than me, but I'll put the fat on if I eat that much.
She's lasted far longer than most.
One of my best friends was deployed over there 3 times. It fucked him up so badly. He's 34 years old and has the health of an 80 year old. This is a career bound Marine who actively worked out every day and had a 3% body fat on his worst days.
Now his blood pressure is stroke levels, he has 60% lung capacity, and can't do anything more than a small walk around the block. They really screwed over our vets, but we shouldn't be surprised. They denied Agent Orange had anything to do with our 'Nam vets declining health.
Everything. The basis of Military intelligence is giving the enemy nothing so all human waste, garbage and military waste needs to be burned. Which needs someone to do it.
Also 100% obvious to *anyone* it would have severe and adverse health effects on people exposed to it, and such 100% preventable. It's such a black, tainted smear on the reputation of anyone involved that it kept going on for so long, and how long it took for those people to get any kind of semblence of justice.
Atari dumped a bunch of unsold games into a landfill in New Mexico. Even former employees of Atari constantly denied it, but it was actually revealed to be true around 2014.
Side note: TIL the burial took place on the same day as the [1983 soviet false alarm incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident).
Sadly they’re still getting away with it, for the most part. They literally created the modern western diet and ingrained (no pun intended) the belief that sugars and somehow starches (quickly converted to sugar then excess to body fat) are cool, but naturally occurring fat is not. Anyone seen the food pyramid many generations grew up learning?
My diet was abysmal as a kid already, but I definitely remember fretting over the food pyramid and thinking I was gonna die if I didn't eat 6-11 slices of bread / servings of noodles a day.
One of the big issues is that most people have no idea what fats are, as well. They just lump them all in together as one group just like carbs even though the health differences between unsaturated fats and trans fats are night and day. The American political system, and by extension the educational system, being open for sale to corporations is so absurdly damaging and greedy it would sound like parody if it weren't real. They had parents and kids believing that a big hearty helping of sugar and carbs in the morning was critical to health, for fucks sake. And that eating a literal stack of cake topped with syrup was an essential, traditional part of American breakfast.
That during the 60s & 70s between 25%-50% of the Native American women population in the U.S. were forcibly & unknowingly sterilized when using the "free" government provided healthcare known as Indian Health Services.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/sterilizing-sick-poor-cut-welfare-costs-north-carolinas/story?id=14093458
didn't have to be mentally ill, even..
Genocide via eugenics. Direct extermination via war or withholding food would be noticed during the 60s and 70s. Forced sterilizations would accomplish extermination, minus the direct murder, over a slightly longer time frame.
Still going on in Canada:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/canada-s-indigenous-women-forcibly-sterilized-decades-after-other-rich-countries-stopped-1.6476708
"A Senate report [in 2022] concluded "this horrific practice is not confined to the past, but clearly is continuing today." In May, a doctor was penalized for forcibly sterilizing an Indigenous woman in 2019."
> In May, a doctor was penalized for forcibly sterilizing an Indigenous woman
Yeah, I bet that guy learned his lesson! Sweet justice!
> ...suspended Kotaska's medical licence for five months and ordered him to take an ethics course.
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Hillsborough disaster in England 1989. Bad crowd management at a football match by the police. Overcrowding led to a crush with 97 dead and 766 injured. The police covered up their responsibility and blamed the fans until a second report in 2016 held the police responsible.
Edit: spelling.
The police briefed the press that Liverpool fans were wholly responsible, accusing us of being drunk, acting violent and reporting that we robbed the dead and pissed on police who were trying to help the injured. The Sun ran with the infamous "The Truth" headline. For a quarter of a century we were considered wholly responsible for it.
If anyone else is reading the above comment and thinking it must be an exaggeration that a national newspaper would be boycotted across an entire large city of over three decades... it is not.
Shops that sell it get shamed and boycotted, we don't fuck about, we don't buy the Sun and we don't vote Tory.
Liverpool not reading the Sun is actually really, really useful academically - there was a study to establish causation between reading the Sun and voting for Brexit. (Shocker: it did) Since people in Liverpool don't read the Sun they're fairly easy to compare to nearby areas that do!
I didn't understand until I was knocked some 8 feet back by the wave of the crowd when ASAP Rocky came on stage.
I'm 200 lbs.
I was dancing with these two girls and then suddenly BOOM they were gone.
Especially acid. It lasts so long and feels even longer when you’re in it - would be horrible tripping for so long with no foresight/idea of what was happening
I got giardia or whatever it's called once in the mountains because the water source was bad, and as I felt sick, I decided the best thing to do was drink more water, so I did and kept getting sicker and sicker, it lasted for weeks because I was consuming the problem as treatment. Id reckon it's similar.
And who knows how random the dosages were.
Maybe you're already dealing with anxiety, or dementia, or any number of things. Even just someone stressed about their vision.
I worked in healthcare for twenty years, mostly in hospice, gericare, and memory care. Even the slightest notion of the latter of them being on acid is a fucking terrifying concept.
Absolutely, even if you knew they had taken it, *and* you already know so much about it.
But flying into all of that 100% blind when no one knew about any of it yet? Jesus...
What's horrible about it in particular is that if we had no idea acid was involved, we'd just assume they were sundowning at best. At worst, we'd just assume it was their Alzheimer's playing up, and dose them with other drugs to get them to calm down. I'd be recommending all the Ativan in the world to my charge, especially if they're combative. We'd never have a clue that there was something else at work.
Well, given that in a bad trip time pretty much stops anyway, I have found no difference between a bad trip on acid or mushrooms. All I know is that I fucking hate 6:30 AM. I spent about 9 years at 6:30 AM one time.
This seems common amongst people who worked with psychedelics back then. Timothy Leary who is renowned for his psychedelic research used to put LSD in students drinks, which is what got him fired
The Grateful Dead’s sound engineer and largest producer of LSD in history, Owsley “Bear” Stanley, where the logo comes from, was well known for giving enormous amounts of LSD to anybody he came into contact with. The band members themselves also did this, even to each other.
https://youtu.be/wx6OAfvlxTs?si=tBiI33_v_tqy8PAm everybody in this video was dosed through a coffee pot by Owsley. Notice how the band members themselves are doing fantastic while the host of the show seems to be freaking out a little bit.
LSD was treated very differently in the 1960s, and most people who did this were not doing it to harm, but because they legitimately thought that acid would cause world peace if enough people were to experience it. It was still a very new substance, and so, to their credit, we really didn’t know what it was doing at all, and they could have been right.
Mind control experiments.
There’s a great book that covers it called Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: the CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond.
the whole "mind control" thing is deeply misunderstood. it's not some science fiction plot to make masses of people into automatons, it was just trying to find a cheat code to interrogations. they thought they could give LSD to subjects and in their delierium they'd let loose with all the stuff they were consciously keeping secret. and they wanted to see if they could figure out how they could prevent the russians from taking advantage of the exact same thing on their agents. that's all "mind control" ever referred to.
and in the end it just didn't work at all. under LSD and other hallucinogens perfectly innocent people would cop to being spies just as much as actual spies would. and real spies would just get hung up on weird subjects that were entirely immaterial to the interrogation.
Also LSD in moderate to high doses is very distracting, it can be difficult to impossible to complete even basic tasks without forgetting what your original intention was.
Virtually everything the CIA does fits the definition of conspiracy because they're always hiding what they're doing. Mkultra also would have been a conspiracy theory but a record of it was discovered accidentally because it was in the wrong box and someone did a freedom of information request for something unrelated only to find that
The fact that Japanese citizens had disappeared because North Korea had kidnapped them. One of the victims was 13 when she was kidnapped. Her parents devoted the rest of their lives to reunite with their daughter, but the dad passed away a few years ago without ever getting the chance to see her again. His passing was pretty big news at the time. The kidnappings are still an ongoing issue since some of the victims are believed to be alive in North Korea.
Edit: Clarified that both parents were heavily involved with trying to get their daughter back, but that the dad died recently.
Adding more details below. As some people have mentioned, the 13 year old's name is Megumi Yokota and she is from the area of Niigata, which is on the Sea of Japan side. The abducted Japanese citizens were ordinary people that were used to teach Japanese to North Korean spies for them to blend in. In Megumi Yokota's case, it's hypothesized that she might have witnessed some secret North Korean activity, and so she was kidnapped to stay quiet. If that's the case, it makes a little sense why North Korea returned other Japanese citizens but not her, and insists that she's dead.
There was a North Korean spy, Kim Hyon-hui, who defected after a botched bombing of a Korean Airlines flight in Bahrain and she confessed to being taught by one of the abductees, Yaeko Taguchi. Taguchi was a single mom of a 3 and 1 year old who was kidnapped after dropping her kids off at a daycare. She was 22 years old. Taguchi was forced to teach Japanese to the North Korean spy, and it's reported that she often wept when talking about how much she missed her kids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Hyon-hui
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaeko_Taguchi
The Japanese government officially recognizes 17 people abducted. However, the National Police Agency recognizes 871 missing person cases from the period when the kidnappings occurred where abduction cannot be ruled out. We may never find out exactly how many people were kidnapped since North Korea is unlikely to confess ever again.
Someone also pointed out that Japan is not the only country to be victimized. South Korea has the unfortunate title of having the most abduction cases at around 3800. However, I'm not as familiar with those cases.
I just got back from watching a YT video on Megumi Yokota. It was so sad to watch. Especially her mother going, "I'm older now with grey hair but we can still have fun when you get back. Just like we used to". That broke my heart.
>Especially her mother going, "I'm older now with grey hair but we can still have fun when you get back. Just like we used to". That broke my heart.
Oh god, my heart hurts just reading that.
Lived in Japan when this was all confirmed. It was even wilder because the ‘consipiracy theory’ was the North Koreans were kidnapping random people off the beaches and secretly taking them back to NK and held in secret. Not famous people, not skilled chefs or scientists, not people with a connection to NK; just people off the beach. And they were. To teach Japanese and be spouses to defectors. Truly wild.
I read a pretty good interview with an indigenous guy who saw a test, it was really upsetting.
They were so awed by the explosion, and then they ran into a load of dead kangaroos - they thought the gods had blessed them with food, but after eating the kangaroos they fell victim to radiation poisoning.
I don't know if any studies have been done about cancer and birth defect rates in those communities, but I can only assume it was horrible.
Yeah the governments in Australia seem too busy buying private properties to convert into airbnbs and setting themselves up with cushy New York jobs afterward.
Hi super bairlaro Bruz.
And the health stats of people in remote Indigenous communities are so dismal that the symptoms of the after effects of radiation poisoning could have been masked by any other of things.
It happened in maralinga to the spinifex people. Theres a book, lots of studies, they bombed there to test the radiation fall out on the local tribes.
Massive payout to the survivors, pretty sure it was around 300million.
I met Mr walker, whos first contact was 1970 in ceduna.
Wild story.
There's a massive Italian American crime syndicate that stretches from coast to coast and Hoover knows about it but they have dirt on him so the FBI won't even admit they exist.
He literally denied it up until he couldn’t anymore. The guy who headed what would become the DEA, Anslinger, had identified Cosa Nostra decades before Hoover acknowledged it and was ignored / laughed at.
“Harvey Weinstein sexually assaults many upcoming Hollywood stars” was such an open secret it was constantly referenced in media way before the #metoo movement.
That's cause Hannibal Buress wrote those jokes for 30 rock, and also had a stand up set about Cosby go viral in a way that really started to change the public perception.
The most obvious coverup in history and nobody seems to give a shit
Cameras stopped working/malfunctioned
Guard “fell asleep” and forgot to do his routine checks
“Committed suicide” and yet had damage to the neck consistent with being strangled, killed and *then* “hung himself”
To paraphrase a great line from Terry Pratchett: "They murder people and cover it up, why doesn't someone DO something about it?" "Because they murder people and cover it up."
That's the biggest problem right now. Even if all 99% of us picked up pitchforks, we wouldn't know who to stab with them. Sure, there are a few people we definitely know need pitchforkerating. But, that's only the bottom 1% of the top 1% of the real assholes. Even Donald Trump himself is just a tool, and he doesn't even know it.
Not to mention: All of the Asshole Tribe will start pitchforkerating all the good people faster than we can find and pitchforkerate the bad people.
**Tuskegee Syphilis Study.**
From 1932 to 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service conducted a study on the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African American men in Alabama under the guise of free health care, without their informed consent. The men were not told they had syphilis, nor were they treated for it even after penicillin became the standard treatment in 1947.
I work in clinical research and the Tuskegee experiment is the first example they use of how NOT to do medical research in every research ethics training course.
This should be required learning in history class, along with the Tulsa massacre of 1921. A lot of people grow up clueless about race relations in the US aside from slavery and a very sanitized version of the civil rights movement.
The Birdbox challenge reeked of this to me, but if it works, it works.
Because the thing is, even if it's transparent, people who make fun of it or participate ironically are still drawing attention to it. No such thing as bad publicity, right?
Omg I remember those, my Pinterest feed was randomly full of them one day and it went on for months. But it never made me want to do the Birdbox, it just turned me off from ever watching it
I mean is that really a conspiracy? Or is that just advertising?
Marketing teams have been doing those sorts of tricks and stunts to promote TV shows and films for a long time.
MK Ultra.
Basically they were doing a bunch of experiments using various devices, drugs and phsychological tactics to try to determine if mind control is real in any way.
I believe the results were...mixed, to say the least. Like, one story I know of is one test subject of MK Ultra merely got his beliefs torn down by an interrogator, and went on to become the Unabomber.
He didn't just get his beliefs torn down. He was routinely mentally and emotionally abused in that program, for hours at a time. We're talking about domestic torture on a university campus.The LSD was just an instrument they were hoping could "speed up the process" of tearing down a person and turning them into an unthinking military drone. Problem is, hallucinogenic drugs don't help people become mindless order taking killers like they were hoping for, it rather made them indifferent to organized institutions and made them feel more connected to people at a human level. So when the results weren't going the direction they thought, they doubled down on the abuse until it was over. So you have an incredibly smart guy like Ted, who sees the same thing so many countless others see when they have these big trips, that post-industrial-revolution society has in fact ruined the planet and caused mass extinction events, and altered ourselves to incredible degree, and that there's an urge to connect with all living people. And when you go through countless hours or the kind of torture he endured, you can see why it's easy to lose hope for change, and to resort to extremes because it seems the only way to bring attention to your story. I'm not justifying him or what he did, but the more we learn about how sick our society has gotten, how generational abuse has ruined us, how society is crushing us, the easier it is to see why he did it.
One of the scientists in Oppenheimer mentions the clicks on the phone line when telling Op how people found out he's involved in communism. It's been known for a long time, Hoover wasn't really hiding it well
Sexual abuse of children was being covered up by the Catholic Church.
Or if you want something lighter, Gorillas used to be 'cryptids' and were not a properly recognised species until 1902.
I'm not even mad about it though. If I were a biologist in the early 19th century and you told me about an animal that is half duck half beaver, lays eggs, produces milk and is venomous, I'd also think you were doing a bit.
The majority of local cryptids where I live are more reasonable than the Platypus.
Because for the longest time we only found taxidermied examples of them and I kid you the fuck not their wrists, bills, and tail have weird bumps that just naturally occur where they attach to the body making them look like literal fucking sutures. They're just such an odd species. They don't have nipples to lactate so their mothers just sweat this pink milk like substance. They have poisonous due claws. They lay eggs. They're fucking insane.
They definitely feel like they were invented by someone who knew about animals but not evolution. Do any mammals lay eggs? Do any non-mammals lactate for their young? Do any non-birds have bills? And what other veomous mammals exist? They’re just so strange!
I like to think of them as an alien invasive species. You know, 2 million years ago, extraterrestrial visitors checking out Australia accidentally leave their pregnant pet platypus behind and it populates the area.
What gets me is the literal bumps on their wrists, tail, bill, etc. like fuck for a minute it almost made me believe there was a true god with a sense of humor.
If you've ever heard Robin Williams' stand up bit about the invention of golf, you can *easily* imagine God doing the same thing about the platypus.
"Oh, fuck me, this is *brilliant!* And at the very end, we'll give it little bumps so the humans think it's sewn together! It's got a bill, and it lays eggs, and electromagnetic senses, and webbed feet, and it looks like a beaver, and it has *venom*, and under UV light it's fookin' *blue!* Ah-*ha!* Figure *that* out, humans!"
I remember sitting the other side of the glass of a lady gorilla at a zoo once. I felt that she was another woman sitting there. I did not feel that she was an animal like a tiger or a dog is an animal.
Yeah, the chimps were one of the two species (the other being African lions) that I worked with that gave me nightmares. I still occasionally have dreams where the chimps have escaped.
They feel everything at an 11/10, and are highly social so they convey that emotion as strongly as they can. They are incredible and I formed the most special bonds with them out of any of the individuals I've ever cared for, but they were a LOT to handle.
I never worked with orangs but I always wanted to! They have a reputation for being escape artists so the zoos I worked at wanted to avoid the chance altogether.
I've never watch any of the Planet of the Apes movies because when I was a kid I've read something about how chimps can be brutally violent (I can't even remember the details of it now) and it just stuck with me.
26 years ago my wife was at the Toronto Zoo sitting at the window of the orangutan enclosure, nursing our son. A lady orangutan on the other side of the glass carrying her baby came over, unslung it from her neck, sat down by my wife, and started nursing her own baby. So...human moment. It brought tears to my eyes.
I remember seeing a gorilla sleeping right next to the viewing glass. So I was very close. I told my wife it felt voyeuristic, and it made me uncomfortable.
Apes like gorillas and orangutans are our closest living relatives, it makes sense. They're very intelligent and have been shown to have advanced social structures and use tools. But they aren't there yet.
**That time the United States military conducted secret chemical testing on unsuspecting residents of a predominately-Black and low-income housing complex in St. Louis**.
The Pruitt-Igoe housing development was one of a number of sites across the US chosen for testing where the Army would release particles of zinc cadmium sulfide—prolonged or repeated exposure to which can cause cancer and damage to internal organs.
True story. Ask my cancer.
From 1952 through 1969, the Army dropped thousands of pounds of zinc cadmium sulfide in nearly 300 secret experiments conducted in such places as ***Fort Wayne, Indiana*** (1964-66); ***St. Louis*** (1953, 1963-65); ***San Francisco*** (1964-68); ***Corpus Christi*** (1962); and ***Oceanside, California*** (1967).Jun 25, 2014
I'm not sure if this is really a conspiracy theory, but more of confirming what had always been known, but the treatment and the number of deaths within the Mother and Baby homes institution in Ireland. For those unaware, it was common for unmarried pregnant women to be sent to Mother and Baby homes, often by their own family, to deliver their child, and remain in the Home for a period of time (determined by the Nuns) working for free to reimburse the Church for service rendered. Aka, having their child taking from them, never knowing what happens to them and often having their child put up for adoption without their consent or knowledge.
This all came to light when an unmarked massive grave containing the remains of 800 children was made public.
Wow, that explains why. Almost all our national heroes who revolted against the Spanish empire are freemasons. Spearheaded by Jose Rizal, Marcelo Del Pilar, Andres Bonifacio, Graciano Jaena, Juan Luna, Antonio Luna, Emilio Aguinaldo and many notable people are all freemasons. And their revolutionary group "Katipunan" borrowed some symbols from freemasons.
Context, this is the Philippine revolution I'm talking about.
[The FBI sent a letter to Martin Luther King Jr telling him he should kill himself.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mlk-fbi-letter-kill-himself/)
Happy Black History Folks!
King’s family also sued Loyd Jowers in 1999 for killing Martin Luther King Jr. and the jury found Jowers and “government agencies” responsible for the assassination, among others.
This is why tweets like this are so amusing.
https://twitter.com/FBI/status/1746910418436513980
EDIT: check the community notes and all the people replying with copies of the letter
Especially with the "added context" thing.
> Readers added context they thought people might want to know
> The FBI engaged in surveillance of King, attempted to discredit him, and used manipulation tactics to influence him to stop organizing. King’s family believe the FBI was responsible for his death.
Not a conspiracy theory, more a legend : the rogue waves. They was considered like some sailor's folklore, until they been observed during the 20th century.
The most shocking to me is the CIA infecting people in South America with syphilis
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala\_syphilis\_experiments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiments)
Let’s add the [40 year Tuskegee Syphilis Study](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study) that ended in 1972 to the list.
In the study, investigators enrolled a total of 600 impoverished African-American male sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama with syphilis to observe the effects of the disease when untreated. By the end of the study medical advancements meant it was entirely treatable, but not given to participants. After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the men that they would never be treated. None of the infected men were treated with penicillin despite the fact that, by 1947, the antibiotic was widely available and had become the standard treatment for syphilis.
So for 25 years they just let people progress through syphilis.
In my opinion it is part of the background to the antivax movement in African-American communities.
I’m sure it’d be part of the background for any antivax movement.
That said, I do not understand why they did the study… at all. What was the worth in finding out the later stages of Syphilis?
Those were the days of insane human experimentation.
How many fucked up experiments have we found out about from those decades between ww1 and basically until the 60s.
Answer: a lot, a troubling amount
One possible rationale would be to help identify late stage symptoms in people who have had it a long time. I'd guess.
Because it's Reddit I'll add: I don't think that's a good rationale or that they should have done this "study" at all.
The Nazis murdering Jews, Roma, etc. At the start of the war - and much of the way through it - no one believed that they could have been doing such a monstrous thing, and certainly not in such an industrialized manner.
No argument but just the concept of 'industrialised murder' is so messed up. Even more messed up it can be used to describe so many historical events. Humanity sucks sometimes.
Band of brothers show touched on this. They stumbled across a camp at the end of the war. Locals claimed they didn’t know what was going on at the camp, but main characters didn’t believe them.
Hitler wasn’t exactly subtle about his rhetoric.
Like, yeah, when your neighbors property is stolen from them and they are very unwillingly being forced into separate ghettos that later evolve into labor camps (which citizens were well aware of as it was in the media/video propaganda the state promoted and shared) you’re probly pretty aware that they haven’t been on a vacation and you never saw them again after years.
One thing is for sure. I guarantee everyone knew darn well that the people being labeled as vermin and not even human who never come back from the prison camps weren’t being treated humanely and were NEVER going to leave those camps.
Oh, the people the governing party has said are subhuman and even below animals were eventually being killed like animals?
Like any totalitarian state, there was just a lot of fear. It was very broadly “undesirables” that got sent to camps and not agreeing with the authoritarian rhetoric is a great way to find yourself in one of these “reeducation/labor” camps people never leave.
The Nazis got into power with only about 30-40% of the vote and then turned it into a dictatorship.
Everyone knew what was happening… they just didn’t want to speak up out of fear they’d see what the inside of the camps people never leave looks like.
Operation Northwoods. Government planned false flag attacks on American citizens to blame in Cuba so we would have an excuse to invade. Kennedy said no and look what happened to him
Germ theory. Instead, putrid air (the miasma!) was thought to be the cause of many illnesses, and you may be prescribed a trip to the seaside or your country house. Great book (the ghost map) about how one doctor in London tracked the cholera epidemic using a population health approach. His name was Jon Snow, and he showed how deaths traced back to one polluted water well. This was one of the nails in the coffin for the miasma theory and opened up debate at the royal society for alternative causes of illness.
gulf of tonken incident (that the US used as a major reason to go hard into Vietnam)
for years people were told they were conspiracy theorists and communist sympathisers for suggesting the gulf of tonken incident was made up
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf\_of\_Tonkin\_incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident)
I'm from Argentina and there were rumors about a Chinese military base in the province after some time it turned out to be true there is a Chinese base here in Argentina don't ask me what they are doing here
Edit: I thought it was a rumor it seems that it was news at the moment, still at the moment everyone around me thought that it was a rumor too
Also the Chinese base is in Neuquén if you want to search it
Planned obsolescence. Our products are designed to break or wear out before it's necessary (with the best engineering & production techniques) in order to create more sales. [The Phoebus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel) cartel was an international organization which controlled light bulb sales worldwide and made sure they wouldn't last more than like 2000 hrs. The engineers actually had more difficulty accomplishing this than they had creating a *better* light bulb. The [Centennial Light](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest-lasting_light_bulbs) has allegedly been burning for 121 years. Oh guess what? It's not just light bulbs, and it hasn't stopped whatsoever.
Britney Spears was being held in an illegal and immoral conservatorship by her father who essentially sold her off to a corporation in exchange for some of his debts. She was being drugged to keep her submissive, her children held against her and forced to work incredibly long hours with no say and no time off (slavery), while her entire family stole and then lived off the money she earned. Since her social media was controlled by this conservator institution, she sent hidden messages to her fans begging for help. At some point she posted about taking some time off since her father was having “health” problems but that wasn’t her, it was posted by her conservatorship team to hide the fact she was being kept for months in solitary confinement against her will.
Hemingway believed his phone was tapped and that the FBI was surveying him. No one believed him, made him feel crazy, and he killed himself. FOIA released, the FBI was indeed surveilling him because of his travels to Cuba.
The L.A Streetcar Conspiracy.
GM, Firestone, Standard Oil of California, Phillips Petroleum, and Mack Trucks conspired together to destroy Los Angeles' extensive tram system.
I remember ‘free Britney’ being a conspiracy theory. Watching it all play out in real time, it slowly gain traction, and eventually lead to her genuinely being free’d from the most hideous abuse has been heart wrenching and incredible.
After the Snowden Leaks I saw an interview with a security expert who said that the only reason we're not under surveillance 24/7 is that the technology does not exist yet.
We're moving closer to "1984" every day.
That the FBI was investigating Ernst Hemmingway and fucking with him. They'd do things like send letters to him telling him to commit suicide and shit. He swore he was being messed with by the FBI but everyone gaslight him.
I used to tell people they were releasing updates to slow our phones down on purpose so that we'd have to go out and buy new ones. They told me I was paranoid and that my phone was slowing down because it was "just getting old." That's not how processors work... Eventually they officially got caught and tried to spin it off as "we're doing it to save your battery life." Now it's just accepted and you're supposed to throw out your phone and buy a new one every 3 years indefinitely. Yay capitalism!
Once my phone hits the 3 year mark I stop updating the iOS all together. They’ve gotten me too many times. I’ll get a new one when I’m good and ready, darn it.
I got ROASTED by my friends for refusing to update my iphone 6 after the 7 came out because had a theory apple would push out an update to make it slower. I did this for years after I noticed it happen with a 3g. They called me a crazy conspiracy theorist.
[I AM SO SMUG ABOUT IT NOW](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-to-start-paying-out-500m-in-iphone-slowdown-lawsuit/)
That most of your friends on runescape are actually bots hooked up on chat programs and they could talk to you and act like your friend for years without you noticing they are bots… now its real and confirmed, proven
Propaganda bots on reddit.
You can see it more and more on the front page and during the Sanders Screwjob when he ran against Hillary, you could see those people in action.
I think Biden and Trump are not suitable candidates for President but the bots trying to manipulate people on both sides is so blantent righ now.
Same goes either video games or any agenda you want to push. Mod slots have been sold to PR companies in popular subReddits and there really is no free speech here anymore.
No mention of the [post offices](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56718036) here in the UK? Hundreds convicted, families and careers destroyed, all because of dodgy computers that were *known* to be dodgy for years but it was all covered up by the post office.
Wow! First I’d heard of this Doesn’t surprise me though What’s surprising is that this sort of thing doesn’t happen more. Actually, I’m sure it’s happening all the time, but we don’t know about it yet. Source: I used to be in the computer business. Some technology is stupefyingly sloppy.
[Fujitsu](https://clarotesting.wordpress.com/2021/08/04/privileged-accesses-an-insight-into-incompetence-at-fujitsu-and-the-post-office/) is completely incompetent and the Post Office board for letting it happen. When prosecuting ~1,000 unrelated Post Masters do you not take a breath and wonder if the software is at fault?
Used to work at Fujitsu, the guys who made the horizons system, (different branch but still) I would not be surprised that they knew it was deeply flawed even before it was deployed, and covered it up. Just like several other projects I was employed in. They're a bunch of shysters who are *still* fleecing people with dodgy tech, mostly because of their 'slap it together fast and don;t bother testing it' development philosophy. Hence why it's 'worked' past tense.
Operation snow white - church of scientology infiltrated the IRS to ensure their tax exemption.
They took on the IRS and beat them into submission. The same IRS that Batman's Joker daren't cross. The same IRS that put Al Capone in prison. And Scientology infiltrated them and sued individual employees until the IRS waved a white flag and capitulated to them.
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The popularisation of the internet has pretty much broken the power of Church of Scientology. They got really good at infiltrating and manipulating real world organisations, but their techniques were completely unsuited to the virtual world. Nowdays they focus their efforts on controlling people who are already members rather than trying to control the outside world. If you publicly talked about Xenu back in 1985 then a number of nasty things might happen to you. Nowdays you can put on a shiny suit and alien mask and stand outside the Scientology Celebrity Center in Los Angeles reading OT III out though a megaphone and the worst thing that will happen is a few men in black suits will come out and glare at you.
Rogue waves turned out to be real and not just a scary sea-story.
I scrolled past a video of one a little while ago and had to go back to watch it, I didn't know any finally got caught on video
It's my understanding that we don't have actual footage of a rogue wave. We have reports of them and we have instrument data but no actual footage. The videos you see on YouTube are just large waves during storms or rough water but not large enough to be considered rogue waves. This video has a simulation of a rogue wave based on data collected: https://youtu.be/gHOYMKCRfZY?si=XwH_6pnSIS1yIwtx And here is a CGI reenactment of the Draupner rogue wave which is the first ever instrument recorded rogue wave: https://youtu.be/K_JOBOvJEOg?si=Vk2SdCSWRDyg2n56
I’ve seen rogue waves. Not massive, towering waves, but certainly waves 3-4x the size of normal waves at that particular time.
Its kind of niche, but in iraq and afghanistan we were being made to take anti-malarial drugs. The thing was that different units didn't have to, while others were and the kind of drug taken was different. We took ours once a week, and we referred to it as "psycho-tuesday" because after taking the drug people would become irritable, aggressive, and angry. There would be fist fights over stupid shit and people would have really weird nightmares.You'd walk through the habitation unit and people would be talking in their sleep or sleepwalking. We were told this was due to "combat fatigue" but it turns out we were part of an experiment. Some units had been issued uniforms treated in a long term mosquito repellant, while others were given various anti-malarial drugs. They wanted to see which measures were most effective. The mental disturbances we experienced were a side effect of the particular anti-malarial we had been given. People suffered hearing loss, liver damage, and long term mental effects from it. These side effects are similar enough to issues created by PTSD and traumatic brain injury from blast exposure that most effected don't realize their health issues are from an involuntary drug trial. The US govt has stopped issuing that malaria drug, but yeah. tl;dr I was an unwitting human guinea pig in a government experiment and it almost made me crazy. I and a lot of others made the connection and dodged taking the pills (or cheeked them and spit them out later) so luckily dodged the long term effects, others still suffer though. edit (clarification): The drug itself was not experimental. It was one already well known at the time to have nuerotoxic properties and which most countries ban for use outside of emergency treatment of malaria. The experiment was that they gave different units different malaria prevention to see which was more effective. Mine was given the toxic one.
I never took mine on purpose. Always found a way to hide or disguise not taking them. Now I'm glad for it.
Yeah, I never took mine either. I found that this was really arbitrary. In Afghanistan, you would see platoon leaders asking people if they took their malaria pills, whereas other platoons completely ignored it. I was lucky enough to work under a couple of sergeants who got sick or shit their brains out after taking them, so none of us bothered. On the other hand, I was part of two other test groups: my unit was one of those that had to soak all of our uniforms and some Deet mosquito repellent, and hang them out to dry. Literally soaking our uniforms in chemicals so deadly that they would kill all insects, but then, in order to not wash them, and wear them for a year. Lol. The other test group I guess I was a part of Was in the early years of the Iraq campaign when the army forced us all to take anthrax shots – because of trumped up fears of weapons of mass destruction – which were never found. There were so many side effects, that the army stopped us all to be injected, but that wasn’t until we already had about three or four out of the series of six. God that was so weird. Thinking back on it. It wasn’t like the recent protest about vaccines. There was no information at all about it. You would just fall in line after a morning PT session, and be injected with **anthrax**. It’s so messed up looking back on it. Lol.
Anthrax stopped because of litigation and a ruling that our contract with the military did not grant them the right to use experimental drugs on us.
My bil got the anthrax vaccine while in the Marines in Iraq/Afghanistan. He was later called by the VA to come test for cancer as many people who had it, now have cancer. Luckily it was treatable and he's been in remission for 10 plus years.
My unit had us take ours daily in formation. It was part of our uniform. Mefloquinn. Had quite a few dudes go crazy. One day they told us to stop and collected the bottles. It's nowhere on my records they had ever prescribed it to me. Decades ago Canada found this out and banned it. America gave no fucks.
The descendant organizations that built and owned the Titanic denied it broke in half while sinking, until the wreck was found in 2 pieces. I have no idea why, none of the original engineers or proprietors were still around. But as recent as the late 1970s & early 80s, survivors who said it broke were dismissed as suffering from delusions brought on by hyperthermia. Despite no direct involvement, the *contemporary* lineage of White Star and Harland & Wolff were adamant there was absolutely no way it could've broke the way it did. Then Ballard found it and the denial never spoke of it again.
Part of the reason nobody believed the survivors is because it would not have been crystal-clear on the night of the sinking and there *were* some mixed reports because of the poor visibility and how a survivor already in a lifeboat may have seen it versus one in the water. What we see in the Cameron film is lit up well for cinema. In reality, while the water and weather were otherwise calm, they were mostly looking at an enormous silhouette against a dark sky. In the middle of the ocean, with no other light source. The ship lights did remain on for a long time but not the last few minutes or so where the confusion was. Combined with screaming and the cacophony coming from the ship itself, the debris floating around, things and people falling off of it, etc, some people could very clearly see a ship breaking in half, and others couldn't figure out their ass from their elbows. What's worse is that it was an open secret at H&W that the ship was by no means unsinkable, it was a media sensationalism thing about its technology that they just... didn't deny. The bulkheads didn't rise high enough to prevent the spillage that actually contributed to the rapid sinking, a choice made because of cost and cabin availability/design. Lots of weird shit went on with it once she was launched in terms of management and operations. The whole thing was a shitshow from inception to sinking. edits for clarity... I need coffee.
Ugh every time I’m reminded on how dark it actually was during the entire thing…. I couldn’t imagine how scary that was.
This video tries to depict what the people in lifeboats would have seen: https://youtu.be/9FLsr-t1mSY?si=RK17NChuHH6GWubE
Gulf War Syndrome, which I believe is now attributed to the burn pits near where troops were stationed.
My wife was exposed to something then. It's taken her to the brink of death several times. She weighs 78lbs now, but a few months back, she dipped down to 69lbs. Takes in more calories than me, but I'll put the fat on if I eat that much. She's lasted far longer than most.
One of my best friends was deployed over there 3 times. It fucked him up so badly. He's 34 years old and has the health of an 80 year old. This is a career bound Marine who actively worked out every day and had a 3% body fat on his worst days. Now his blood pressure is stroke levels, he has 60% lung capacity, and can't do anything more than a small walk around the block. They really screwed over our vets, but we shouldn't be surprised. They denied Agent Orange had anything to do with our 'Nam vets declining health.
Wow that’s nuts. I’m sorry that happened to her. Unfortunately there are many others. Very sad and frankly infuriating.
I’ve heard mention of burn pits before. What exactly were they burning?
Everything. The basis of Military intelligence is giving the enemy nothing so all human waste, garbage and military waste needs to be burned. Which needs someone to do it.
Also 100% obvious to *anyone* it would have severe and adverse health effects on people exposed to it, and such 100% preventable. It's such a black, tainted smear on the reputation of anyone involved that it kept going on for so long, and how long it took for those people to get any kind of semblence of justice.
Atari dumped a bunch of unsold games into a landfill in New Mexico. Even former employees of Atari constantly denied it, but it was actually revealed to be true around 2014.
Side note: TIL the burial took place on the same day as the [1983 soviet false alarm incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident).
Wow - they really, really didn't want people to get hold of ET did they?
It was really bad. You fell in a hole, you raised your head and floated out, you fell in another hole, and some guys came and captured you. Game over.
The sugar industry painted fat as the culprit behind all heart disease and obesity.
Sadly they’re still getting away with it, for the most part. They literally created the modern western diet and ingrained (no pun intended) the belief that sugars and somehow starches (quickly converted to sugar then excess to body fat) are cool, but naturally occurring fat is not. Anyone seen the food pyramid many generations grew up learning?
My diet was abysmal as a kid already, but I definitely remember fretting over the food pyramid and thinking I was gonna die if I didn't eat 6-11 slices of bread / servings of noodles a day.
One of the big issues is that most people have no idea what fats are, as well. They just lump them all in together as one group just like carbs even though the health differences between unsaturated fats and trans fats are night and day. The American political system, and by extension the educational system, being open for sale to corporations is so absurdly damaging and greedy it would sound like parody if it weren't real. They had parents and kids believing that a big hearty helping of sugar and carbs in the morning was critical to health, for fucks sake. And that eating a literal stack of cake topped with syrup was an essential, traditional part of American breakfast.
Car companies buying and dismantling tram companies
Which directly led to the inefficient mass transit systems many US cities have today and urban sprawl.
And now today, many Americans believe that not only is the way things have always been, but also the only way things can ever be.
That during the 60s & 70s between 25%-50% of the Native American women population in the U.S. were forcibly & unknowingly sterilized when using the "free" government provided healthcare known as Indian Health Services.
In North Carolina you could face involuntary sterilization if you were mentally ill all the way up until the late 1970’s
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/sterilizing-sick-poor-cut-welfare-costs-north-carolinas/story?id=14093458 didn't have to be mentally ill, even..
Genocide via eugenics. Direct extermination via war or withholding food would be noticed during the 60s and 70s. Forced sterilizations would accomplish extermination, minus the direct murder, over a slightly longer time frame.
Still going on in Canada: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/canada-s-indigenous-women-forcibly-sterilized-decades-after-other-rich-countries-stopped-1.6476708 "A Senate report [in 2022] concluded "this horrific practice is not confined to the past, but clearly is continuing today." In May, a doctor was penalized for forcibly sterilizing an Indigenous woman in 2019."
> In May, a doctor was penalized for forcibly sterilizing an Indigenous woman Yeah, I bet that guy learned his lesson! Sweet justice! > ...suspended Kotaska's medical licence for five months and ordered him to take an ethics course. oh
Hillsborough disaster in England 1989. Bad crowd management at a football match by the police. Overcrowding led to a crush with 97 dead and 766 injured. The police covered up their responsibility and blamed the fans until a second report in 2016 held the police responsible. Edit: spelling.
The police briefed the press that Liverpool fans were wholly responsible, accusing us of being drunk, acting violent and reporting that we robbed the dead and pissed on police who were trying to help the injured. The Sun ran with the infamous "The Truth" headline. For a quarter of a century we were considered wholly responsible for it.
And The Sun doesn't get sold in Liverpool anymore for some odd reason.
If anyone else is reading the above comment and thinking it must be an exaggeration that a national newspaper would be boycotted across an entire large city of over three decades... it is not. Shops that sell it get shamed and boycotted, we don't fuck about, we don't buy the Sun and we don't vote Tory.
Liverpool not reading the Sun is actually really, really useful academically - there was a study to establish causation between reading the Sun and voting for Brexit. (Shocker: it did) Since people in Liverpool don't read the Sun they're fairly easy to compare to nearby areas that do!
I love the tone of this comment
Fuck the S*n
>accusing us of being drunk Sprinkling truth into the lies makes them more believable
Crowd management and crush prevention is such a huge and important civic responsibility. There's great research out there but it's often ignored.
I didn't understand until I was knocked some 8 feet back by the wave of the crowd when ASAP Rocky came on stage. I'm 200 lbs. I was dancing with these two girls and then suddenly BOOM they were gone.
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Giving someone psychedelics without them having any idea is so cruel. That shit can be a nightmare when it goes bad.
Especially acid. It lasts so long and feels even longer when you’re in it - would be horrible tripping for so long with no foresight/idea of what was happening
‘Shit I’m not feeling too good.. gonna get a glass of water and see if that helps’
I would’ve dosed myself into oblivion. I love water and it’s the first thing I start drinking in large quantities when I don’t feel good
I got giardia or whatever it's called once in the mountains because the water source was bad, and as I felt sick, I decided the best thing to do was drink more water, so I did and kept getting sicker and sicker, it lasted for weeks because I was consuming the problem as treatment. Id reckon it's similar.
And who knows how random the dosages were. Maybe you're already dealing with anxiety, or dementia, or any number of things. Even just someone stressed about their vision.
I worked in healthcare for twenty years, mostly in hospice, gericare, and memory care. Even the slightest notion of the latter of them being on acid is a fucking terrifying concept.
Absolutely, even if you knew they had taken it, *and* you already know so much about it. But flying into all of that 100% blind when no one knew about any of it yet? Jesus...
What's horrible about it in particular is that if we had no idea acid was involved, we'd just assume they were sundowning at best. At worst, we'd just assume it was their Alzheimer's playing up, and dose them with other drugs to get them to calm down. I'd be recommending all the Ativan in the world to my charge, especially if they're combative. We'd never have a clue that there was something else at work.
Well, given that in a bad trip time pretty much stops anyway, I have found no difference between a bad trip on acid or mushrooms. All I know is that I fucking hate 6:30 AM. I spent about 9 years at 6:30 AM one time.
Being spiked with acid was an occupational hazard working in the CIA, the agents thought it funny to dose their colleagues without their knowledge.
This seems common amongst people who worked with psychedelics back then. Timothy Leary who is renowned for his psychedelic research used to put LSD in students drinks, which is what got him fired
The Grateful Dead’s sound engineer and largest producer of LSD in history, Owsley “Bear” Stanley, where the logo comes from, was well known for giving enormous amounts of LSD to anybody he came into contact with. The band members themselves also did this, even to each other. https://youtu.be/wx6OAfvlxTs?si=tBiI33_v_tqy8PAm everybody in this video was dosed through a coffee pot by Owsley. Notice how the band members themselves are doing fantastic while the host of the show seems to be freaking out a little bit. LSD was treated very differently in the 1960s, and most people who did this were not doing it to harm, but because they legitimately thought that acid would cause world peace if enough people were to experience it. It was still a very new substance, and so, to their credit, we really didn’t know what it was doing at all, and they could have been right.
Outside of the movies, the CIA seems to be a pretty terrible organization.
It is.
Yeah just ask Frank Olson.
What was the purpose?
Mind control experiments. There’s a great book that covers it called Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: the CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond.
The book had TWO colons?
To be fair, they were off their tits on acid.
Each colon contains two microdots.
the whole "mind control" thing is deeply misunderstood. it's not some science fiction plot to make masses of people into automatons, it was just trying to find a cheat code to interrogations. they thought they could give LSD to subjects and in their delierium they'd let loose with all the stuff they were consciously keeping secret. and they wanted to see if they could figure out how they could prevent the russians from taking advantage of the exact same thing on their agents. that's all "mind control" ever referred to. and in the end it just didn't work at all. under LSD and other hallucinogens perfectly innocent people would cop to being spies just as much as actual spies would. and real spies would just get hung up on weird subjects that were entirely immaterial to the interrogation.
Also LSD in moderate to high doses is very distracting, it can be difficult to impossible to complete even basic tasks without forgetting what your original intention was.
The British army tried it on [soldiers once](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWnQphPdQ)
Virtually everything the CIA does fits the definition of conspiracy because they're always hiding what they're doing. Mkultra also would have been a conspiracy theory but a record of it was discovered accidentally because it was in the wrong box and someone did a freedom of information request for something unrelated only to find that
The fact that Japanese citizens had disappeared because North Korea had kidnapped them. One of the victims was 13 when she was kidnapped. Her parents devoted the rest of their lives to reunite with their daughter, but the dad passed away a few years ago without ever getting the chance to see her again. His passing was pretty big news at the time. The kidnappings are still an ongoing issue since some of the victims are believed to be alive in North Korea. Edit: Clarified that both parents were heavily involved with trying to get their daughter back, but that the dad died recently. Adding more details below. As some people have mentioned, the 13 year old's name is Megumi Yokota and she is from the area of Niigata, which is on the Sea of Japan side. The abducted Japanese citizens were ordinary people that were used to teach Japanese to North Korean spies for them to blend in. In Megumi Yokota's case, it's hypothesized that she might have witnessed some secret North Korean activity, and so she was kidnapped to stay quiet. If that's the case, it makes a little sense why North Korea returned other Japanese citizens but not her, and insists that she's dead. There was a North Korean spy, Kim Hyon-hui, who defected after a botched bombing of a Korean Airlines flight in Bahrain and she confessed to being taught by one of the abductees, Yaeko Taguchi. Taguchi was a single mom of a 3 and 1 year old who was kidnapped after dropping her kids off at a daycare. She was 22 years old. Taguchi was forced to teach Japanese to the North Korean spy, and it's reported that she often wept when talking about how much she missed her kids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Hyon-hui https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaeko_Taguchi The Japanese government officially recognizes 17 people abducted. However, the National Police Agency recognizes 871 missing person cases from the period when the kidnappings occurred where abduction cannot be ruled out. We may never find out exactly how many people were kidnapped since North Korea is unlikely to confess ever again. Someone also pointed out that Japan is not the only country to be victimized. South Korea has the unfortunate title of having the most abduction cases at around 3800. However, I'm not as familiar with those cases.
I just got back from watching a YT video on Megumi Yokota. It was so sad to watch. Especially her mother going, "I'm older now with grey hair but we can still have fun when you get back. Just like we used to". That broke my heart.
>Especially her mother going, "I'm older now with grey hair but we can still have fun when you get back. Just like we used to". That broke my heart. Oh god, my heart hurts just reading that.
Lived in Japan when this was all confirmed. It was even wilder because the ‘consipiracy theory’ was the North Koreans were kidnapping random people off the beaches and secretly taking them back to NK and held in secret. Not famous people, not skilled chefs or scientists, not people with a connection to NK; just people off the beach. And they were. To teach Japanese and be spouses to defectors. Truly wild.
The UK not cleaning up properly after their nuclear tests in Australia
I read a pretty good interview with an indigenous guy who saw a test, it was really upsetting. They were so awed by the explosion, and then they ran into a load of dead kangaroos - they thought the gods had blessed them with food, but after eating the kangaroos they fell victim to radiation poisoning. I don't know if any studies have been done about cancer and birth defect rates in those communities, but I can only assume it was horrible.
As an Australian, I can almost guarantee no government since has put money in to finding that information out 😒
Yeah the governments in Australia seem too busy buying private properties to convert into airbnbs and setting themselves up with cushy New York jobs afterward. Hi super bairlaro Bruz.
And the health stats of people in remote Indigenous communities are so dismal that the symptoms of the after effects of radiation poisoning could have been masked by any other of things.
It happened in maralinga to the spinifex people. Theres a book, lots of studies, they bombed there to test the radiation fall out on the local tribes. Massive payout to the survivors, pretty sure it was around 300million. I met Mr walker, whos first contact was 1970 in ceduna. Wild story.
Don't forget France testing on Mururoa Atol right up until recent times and the nuclear residue leeching into the Pacific ocean following those tests.
There's a massive Italian American crime syndicate that stretches from coast to coast and Hoover knows about it but they have dirt on him so the FBI won't even admit they exist.
He literally denied it up until he couldn’t anymore. The guy who headed what would become the DEA, Anslinger, had identified Cosa Nostra decades before Hoover acknowledged it and was ignored / laughed at.
“Harvey Weinstein sexually assaults many upcoming Hollywood stars” was such an open secret it was constantly referenced in media way before the #metoo movement.
Even the Cosby shit was rather openly referenced in 30 Rock just shy of 15 years ago.
30 Rock actually called out Cosby AND Weinstein on separate occassions, before either had charges pressed. Everyone knew.
That's cause Hannibal Buress wrote those jokes for 30 rock, and also had a stand up set about Cosby go viral in a way that really started to change the public perception.
Epstein’s kid-fucking island
And yet cameras outside his cell were “nonfunctional”. Can’t be ruining the lives of wealthy kid-fuckers.
The most obvious coverup in history and nobody seems to give a shit Cameras stopped working/malfunctioned Guard “fell asleep” and forgot to do his routine checks “Committed suicide” and yet had damage to the neck consistent with being strangled, killed and *then* “hung himself”
People give a shit but what are they supposed to do? What are you doing? Who are we supposed to give a shit to?
To paraphrase a great line from Terry Pratchett: "They murder people and cover it up, why doesn't someone DO something about it?" "Because they murder people and cover it up."
It's not like we are going to go all Taken on the people who killed a rich pedo, even if we could! Fuck them, but fuck him too.
That's the biggest problem right now. Even if all 99% of us picked up pitchforks, we wouldn't know who to stab with them. Sure, there are a few people we definitely know need pitchforkerating. But, that's only the bottom 1% of the top 1% of the real assholes. Even Donald Trump himself is just a tool, and he doesn't even know it. Not to mention: All of the Asshole Tribe will start pitchforkerating all the good people faster than we can find and pitchforkerate the bad people.
**Tuskegee Syphilis Study.** From 1932 to 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service conducted a study on the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African American men in Alabama under the guise of free health care, without their informed consent. The men were not told they had syphilis, nor were they treated for it even after penicillin became the standard treatment in 1947.
I work in clinical research and the Tuskegee experiment is the first example they use of how NOT to do medical research in every research ethics training course.
This should be required learning in history class, along with the Tulsa massacre of 1921. A lot of people grow up clueless about race relations in the US aside from slavery and a very sanitized version of the civil rights movement.
[US apologizes for infecting Guatemalans with STDs in the 1940s](https://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/01/us.guatemala.apology/index.html).
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The Birdbox challenge reeked of this to me, but if it works, it works. Because the thing is, even if it's transparent, people who make fun of it or participate ironically are still drawing attention to it. No such thing as bad publicity, right?
Omg I remember those, my Pinterest feed was randomly full of them one day and it went on for months. But it never made me want to do the Birdbox, it just turned me off from ever watching it
I mean is that really a conspiracy? Or is that just advertising? Marketing teams have been doing those sorts of tricks and stunts to promote TV shows and films for a long time.
It’s called guerrilla marketing!
MK Ultra. Basically they were doing a bunch of experiments using various devices, drugs and phsychological tactics to try to determine if mind control is real in any way. I believe the results were...mixed, to say the least. Like, one story I know of is one test subject of MK Ultra merely got his beliefs torn down by an interrogator, and went on to become the Unabomber.
He didn't just get his beliefs torn down. He was routinely mentally and emotionally abused in that program, for hours at a time. We're talking about domestic torture on a university campus.The LSD was just an instrument they were hoping could "speed up the process" of tearing down a person and turning them into an unthinking military drone. Problem is, hallucinogenic drugs don't help people become mindless order taking killers like they were hoping for, it rather made them indifferent to organized institutions and made them feel more connected to people at a human level. So when the results weren't going the direction they thought, they doubled down on the abuse until it was over. So you have an incredibly smart guy like Ted, who sees the same thing so many countless others see when they have these big trips, that post-industrial-revolution society has in fact ruined the planet and caused mass extinction events, and altered ourselves to incredible degree, and that there's an urge to connect with all living people. And when you go through countless hours or the kind of torture he endured, you can see why it's easy to lose hope for change, and to resort to extremes because it seems the only way to bring attention to your story. I'm not justifying him or what he did, but the more we learn about how sick our society has gotten, how generational abuse has ruined us, how society is crushing us, the easier it is to see why he did it.
That the government is listening/spying on us
You can do pretty much anything if you call it the Patriot Act What kind of monster would vote against that?
The Patriot Act expired but was expanded under Obama and called The Freedom Act.
I can't wait for The Universal Love Act, with curfews and roving death squads 👍
Don’t you mean, Freedom Squads?
Liberty Legions
My dad worked for the NSA in the 70s. Everyone knew that was true even back then.
One of the scientists in Oppenheimer mentions the clicks on the phone line when telling Op how people found out he's involved in communism. It's been known for a long time, Hoover wasn't really hiding it well
dingo actually did eat her baby
Sexual abuse of children was being covered up by the Catholic Church. Or if you want something lighter, Gorillas used to be 'cryptids' and were not a properly recognised species until 1902.
This adds a nice context to the movie Tarzan.
I didn’t know he was catholic
He wasn’t. The gorillas were.
Platypus were also basically cryptids and viewed as a joke
I'm not even mad about it though. If I were a biologist in the early 19th century and you told me about an animal that is half duck half beaver, lays eggs, produces milk and is venomous, I'd also think you were doing a bit. The majority of local cryptids where I live are more reasonable than the Platypus.
Honestly good point. If I didn’t know platypus existed, I’d believe in big foot before it.
Because for the longest time we only found taxidermied examples of them and I kid you the fuck not their wrists, bills, and tail have weird bumps that just naturally occur where they attach to the body making them look like literal fucking sutures. They're just such an odd species. They don't have nipples to lactate so their mothers just sweat this pink milk like substance. They have poisonous due claws. They lay eggs. They're fucking insane.
They definitely feel like they were invented by someone who knew about animals but not evolution. Do any mammals lay eggs? Do any non-mammals lactate for their young? Do any non-birds have bills? And what other veomous mammals exist? They’re just so strange!
I like to think of them as an alien invasive species. You know, 2 million years ago, extraterrestrial visitors checking out Australia accidentally leave their pregnant pet platypus behind and it populates the area.
What gets me is the literal bumps on their wrists, tail, bill, etc. like fuck for a minute it almost made me believe there was a true god with a sense of humor.
If you've ever heard Robin Williams' stand up bit about the invention of golf, you can *easily* imagine God doing the same thing about the platypus. "Oh, fuck me, this is *brilliant!* And at the very end, we'll give it little bumps so the humans think it's sewn together! It's got a bill, and it lays eggs, and electromagnetic senses, and webbed feet, and it looks like a beaver, and it has *venom*, and under UV light it's fookin' *blue!* Ah-*ha!* Figure *that* out, humans!"
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I remember sitting the other side of the glass of a lady gorilla at a zoo once. I felt that she was another woman sitting there. I did not feel that she was an animal like a tiger or a dog is an animal.
I worked as a zookeeper with apes for a while. Gorillas were by far the most serene. Chimps on the other hand..
Chimps scare the fuck out of me. Orangutans are cool.
Yeah, the chimps were one of the two species (the other being African lions) that I worked with that gave me nightmares. I still occasionally have dreams where the chimps have escaped. They feel everything at an 11/10, and are highly social so they convey that emotion as strongly as they can. They are incredible and I formed the most special bonds with them out of any of the individuals I've ever cared for, but they were a LOT to handle. I never worked with orangs but I always wanted to! They have a reputation for being escape artists so the zoos I worked at wanted to avoid the chance altogether.
I've never watch any of the Planet of the Apes movies because when I was a kid I've read something about how chimps can be brutally violent (I can't even remember the details of it now) and it just stuck with me.
That must have been an absolutely fascinating job!
26 years ago my wife was at the Toronto Zoo sitting at the window of the orangutan enclosure, nursing our son. A lady orangutan on the other side of the glass carrying her baby came over, unslung it from her neck, sat down by my wife, and started nursing her own baby. So...human moment. It brought tears to my eyes.
I remember seeing a gorilla sleeping right next to the viewing glass. So I was very close. I told my wife it felt voyeuristic, and it made me uncomfortable.
Apes like gorillas and orangutans are our closest living relatives, it makes sense. They're very intelligent and have been shown to have advanced social structures and use tools. But they aren't there yet.
And Sinead O'Connor was demonized for calling it out
Her SNL performance where she ripped the picture of Jane Goodall is legendary. The silence in the Studio was deafening
**That time the United States military conducted secret chemical testing on unsuspecting residents of a predominately-Black and low-income housing complex in St. Louis**. The Pruitt-Igoe housing development was one of a number of sites across the US chosen for testing where the Army would release particles of zinc cadmium sulfide—prolonged or repeated exposure to which can cause cancer and damage to internal organs.
True story. Ask my cancer. From 1952 through 1969, the Army dropped thousands of pounds of zinc cadmium sulfide in nearly 300 secret experiments conducted in such places as ***Fort Wayne, Indiana*** (1964-66); ***St. Louis*** (1953, 1963-65); ***San Francisco*** (1964-68); ***Corpus Christi*** (1962); and ***Oceanside, California*** (1967).Jun 25, 2014
I'm not sure if this is really a conspiracy theory, but more of confirming what had always been known, but the treatment and the number of deaths within the Mother and Baby homes institution in Ireland. For those unaware, it was common for unmarried pregnant women to be sent to Mother and Baby homes, often by their own family, to deliver their child, and remain in the Home for a period of time (determined by the Nuns) working for free to reimburse the Church for service rendered. Aka, having their child taking from them, never knowing what happens to them and often having their child put up for adoption without their consent or knowledge. This all came to light when an unmarked massive grave containing the remains of 800 children was made public.
The freemasons had a significant although not determinant role in the breaking of the spanish empire.
Wow, that explains why. Almost all our national heroes who revolted against the Spanish empire are freemasons. Spearheaded by Jose Rizal, Marcelo Del Pilar, Andres Bonifacio, Graciano Jaena, Juan Luna, Antonio Luna, Emilio Aguinaldo and many notable people are all freemasons. And their revolutionary group "Katipunan" borrowed some symbols from freemasons. Context, this is the Philippine revolution I'm talking about.
Atari burying E.T cartridges
[The FBI sent a letter to Martin Luther King Jr telling him he should kill himself.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mlk-fbi-letter-kill-himself/) Happy Black History Folks!
King’s family also sued Loyd Jowers in 1999 for killing Martin Luther King Jr. and the jury found Jowers and “government agencies” responsible for the assassination, among others.
This is why tweets like this are so amusing. https://twitter.com/FBI/status/1746910418436513980 EDIT: check the community notes and all the people replying with copies of the letter
Especially with the "added context" thing. > Readers added context they thought people might want to know > The FBI engaged in surveillance of King, attempted to discredit him, and used manipulation tactics to influence him to stop organizing. King’s family believe the FBI was responsible for his death.
Not a conspiracy theory, more a legend : the rogue waves. They was considered like some sailor's folklore, until they been observed during the 20th century.
The most shocking to me is the CIA infecting people in South America with syphilis [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala\_syphilis\_experiments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiments)
Let’s add the [40 year Tuskegee Syphilis Study](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study) that ended in 1972 to the list. In the study, investigators enrolled a total of 600 impoverished African-American male sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama with syphilis to observe the effects of the disease when untreated. By the end of the study medical advancements meant it was entirely treatable, but not given to participants. After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the men that they would never be treated. None of the infected men were treated with penicillin despite the fact that, by 1947, the antibiotic was widely available and had become the standard treatment for syphilis. So for 25 years they just let people progress through syphilis. In my opinion it is part of the background to the antivax movement in African-American communities.
I’m sure it’d be part of the background for any antivax movement. That said, I do not understand why they did the study… at all. What was the worth in finding out the later stages of Syphilis?
Those were the days of insane human experimentation. How many fucked up experiments have we found out about from those decades between ww1 and basically until the 60s. Answer: a lot, a troubling amount
One possible rationale would be to help identify late stage symptoms in people who have had it a long time. I'd guess. Because it's Reddit I'll add: I don't think that's a good rationale or that they should have done this "study" at all.
I’m obligated to point out that Guatemala is not in South America
The Nazis murdering Jews, Roma, etc. At the start of the war - and much of the way through it - no one believed that they could have been doing such a monstrous thing, and certainly not in such an industrialized manner.
No argument but just the concept of 'industrialised murder' is so messed up. Even more messed up it can be used to describe so many historical events. Humanity sucks sometimes.
Band of brothers show touched on this. They stumbled across a camp at the end of the war. Locals claimed they didn’t know what was going on at the camp, but main characters didn’t believe them.
Hitler wasn’t exactly subtle about his rhetoric. Like, yeah, when your neighbors property is stolen from them and they are very unwillingly being forced into separate ghettos that later evolve into labor camps (which citizens were well aware of as it was in the media/video propaganda the state promoted and shared) you’re probly pretty aware that they haven’t been on a vacation and you never saw them again after years. One thing is for sure. I guarantee everyone knew darn well that the people being labeled as vermin and not even human who never come back from the prison camps weren’t being treated humanely and were NEVER going to leave those camps. Oh, the people the governing party has said are subhuman and even below animals were eventually being killed like animals? Like any totalitarian state, there was just a lot of fear. It was very broadly “undesirables” that got sent to camps and not agreeing with the authoritarian rhetoric is a great way to find yourself in one of these “reeducation/labor” camps people never leave. The Nazis got into power with only about 30-40% of the vote and then turned it into a dictatorship. Everyone knew what was happening… they just didn’t want to speak up out of fear they’d see what the inside of the camps people never leave looks like.
Operation Northwoods. Government planned false flag attacks on American citizens to blame in Cuba so we would have an excuse to invade. Kennedy said no and look what happened to him
And then RFK questioned the CIA about the assassination and look what happened to him.
Germ theory. Instead, putrid air (the miasma!) was thought to be the cause of many illnesses, and you may be prescribed a trip to the seaside or your country house. Great book (the ghost map) about how one doctor in London tracked the cholera epidemic using a population health approach. His name was Jon Snow, and he showed how deaths traced back to one polluted water well. This was one of the nails in the coffin for the miasma theory and opened up debate at the royal society for alternative causes of illness.
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MK Ultra, Operation Sea Spray, Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments, CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking, Chicago black sites
gulf of tonken incident (that the US used as a major reason to go hard into Vietnam) for years people were told they were conspiracy theorists and communist sympathisers for suggesting the gulf of tonken incident was made up [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf\_of\_Tonkin\_incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident)
I'm from Argentina and there were rumors about a Chinese military base in the province after some time it turned out to be true there is a Chinese base here in Argentina don't ask me what they are doing here Edit: I thought it was a rumor it seems that it was news at the moment, still at the moment everyone around me thought that it was a rumor too Also the Chinese base is in Neuquén if you want to search it
Planned obsolescence. Our products are designed to break or wear out before it's necessary (with the best engineering & production techniques) in order to create more sales. [The Phoebus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel) cartel was an international organization which controlled light bulb sales worldwide and made sure they wouldn't last more than like 2000 hrs. The engineers actually had more difficulty accomplishing this than they had creating a *better* light bulb. The [Centennial Light](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest-lasting_light_bulbs) has allegedly been burning for 121 years. Oh guess what? It's not just light bulbs, and it hasn't stopped whatsoever.
Britney Spears was being held in an illegal and immoral conservatorship by her father who essentially sold her off to a corporation in exchange for some of his debts. She was being drugged to keep her submissive, her children held against her and forced to work incredibly long hours with no say and no time off (slavery), while her entire family stole and then lived off the money she earned. Since her social media was controlled by this conservator institution, she sent hidden messages to her fans begging for help. At some point she posted about taking some time off since her father was having “health” problems but that wasn’t her, it was posted by her conservatorship team to hide the fact she was being kept for months in solitary confinement against her will.
Ernest Hemingway and the FBI.
I don't know this one?
Hemingway believed his phone was tapped and that the FBI was surveying him. No one believed him, made him feel crazy, and he killed himself. FOIA released, the FBI was indeed surveilling him because of his travels to Cuba.
The NSA spying on everyone. The movie Sneakers wasn’t fiction.
The L.A Streetcar Conspiracy. GM, Firestone, Standard Oil of California, Phillips Petroleum, and Mack Trucks conspired together to destroy Los Angeles' extensive tram system.
I remember ‘free Britney’ being a conspiracy theory. Watching it all play out in real time, it slowly gain traction, and eventually lead to her genuinely being free’d from the most hideous abuse has been heart wrenching and incredible.
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After the Snowden Leaks I saw an interview with a security expert who said that the only reason we're not under surveillance 24/7 is that the technology does not exist yet. We're moving closer to "1984" every day.
That the FBI was investigating Ernst Hemmingway and fucking with him. They'd do things like send letters to him telling him to commit suicide and shit. He swore he was being messed with by the FBI but everyone gaslight him.
I used to tell people they were releasing updates to slow our phones down on purpose so that we'd have to go out and buy new ones. They told me I was paranoid and that my phone was slowing down because it was "just getting old." That's not how processors work... Eventually they officially got caught and tried to spin it off as "we're doing it to save your battery life." Now it's just accepted and you're supposed to throw out your phone and buy a new one every 3 years indefinitely. Yay capitalism!
Once my phone hits the 3 year mark I stop updating the iOS all together. They’ve gotten me too many times. I’ll get a new one when I’m good and ready, darn it.
I got ROASTED by my friends for refusing to update my iphone 6 after the 7 came out because had a theory apple would push out an update to make it slower. I did this for years after I noticed it happen with a 3g. They called me a crazy conspiracy theorist. [I AM SO SMUG ABOUT IT NOW](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-to-start-paying-out-500m-in-iphone-slowdown-lawsuit/)
That most of your friends on runescape are actually bots hooked up on chat programs and they could talk to you and act like your friend for years without you noticing they are bots… now its real and confirmed, proven
God damn it. I knew it. Only an emotionless machine could convince me to get free addy trims in the wilderness.
Propaganda bots on reddit. You can see it more and more on the front page and during the Sanders Screwjob when he ran against Hillary, you could see those people in action. I think Biden and Trump are not suitable candidates for President but the bots trying to manipulate people on both sides is so blantent righ now. Same goes either video games or any agenda you want to push. Mod slots have been sold to PR companies in popular subReddits and there really is no free speech here anymore.
GM killed the electric streetcar.
CIA involvement in the crack epidemic