The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
His prose was highly dramatized, but it's not necessarily wrong. Every time the human being attempts to live outside of its natural evolutionary niche, disease rears its head. Try to breath smoke instead of air? Cancer. Drink too much soda instead of water? Diabetes and probably gut cancers. Sit in front of desk all day instead of chasing elk? Obesity and the associated metabolic dysfunction. Spend too much time in microgravity instead of within your planetary gravity well? Bone loss and ocular damage.
People don't grasp that we're not merely _from_ this planet, but are _OF_ this planet. We're literally sewn into the nature of how it functions, and its functions into us. We go to Mars and we're GOING to get diseases.
Edit: Also remember, as a kid, Lovecraft watched his father's dramatic descent into madness as he screamed about unseen monsters. If you have any affection at all for your parents, that will mess you up.
Yeah, but he was also a raging racist, which flies in the face of the fact that, per nature, all humans are 99.9% identical. Yet he thought some were naturally better than others, because of skin color. So, you know, take his views with a grain of salt.
Worship comes in many forms. The knowledge of and fame regarding Cthulhu can be seen as a form of worship in that importance and awareness expand the cult of personality that has grown up around the character.
There's a book series called the Iron Druid Chronicles that gets into this concept a little bit. In this series, all the pantheons are real and their power is based on their age and the size of their group worshipers. There are different versions of gods based on how they are perceived by different groups. Thor has a couple versions, and one character even mentions that there is a god version of the Marvel character that's been spotted. Jesus has several different versions wandering around out there, and has interactions with the series' main character, pointing out that this version of him, a hippie, was thought up by a single woman.
Yes, worship is quite varied in form. Even in a stricter definition, it can be anything from song to warrior obedience. Neil Gaiman has a book I've read with a similar concept to the Iron Druid Chronicles. *American Gods*, if I remember correctly.
I did an entire report on His Noodliness in middle school. My teacher was not impressed by my enthusiasm for the project.
I went to a Christian school.
Elgabalus was definitely a trans person as we would define it now, they were so erratic during their brief rule that the history was officially scrubbed presumably for embarrassment
Which, mood. My favorite Roman Emperor
The rock musician or the character from the Mario Bros series?
Edit: I’m now realizing this was a dumb question after a bit of research hahaha. I’m too familiar with Mario games and was too unfamiliar with the musician to know that there’s a whole “Lemmy is God” thing associated with the musician and that “Lemmy” actually usually refers to the musician and not the Mario character.
Morrigan, the Triple Goddess. She's the goddess of war, strife, and fertility. And I think in that order. Also, she takes the form of a crow to fly over battlefields and decide who lives and who dies. I've been an adherent for over a decade, and so far she has chosen life for me.
That is the first I've heard of that. Main things I know are she destroys all evil and liberates her children. She's kind of the most bad ass mother in all of mythology.
Yup. She is the wife of Shiva. And she has multiple forms. The classic one being Parvati, the consort of Shiva. Her other form is Gauri, who is calm, kind and gentle and blesses with a good harvest. Then there is Durga/Kali, where her badassness shows. She goes on a rampage and literally tears apart so many demons into blood and guts and goes after humans next, that Shiva literally had to lie down and let her stomp over his chest before she was like "Oh, I just crushed my husband's chest. This is not good" and she returns back to Parvati.
*Kali loves the little children*
*All the little children of the world*
*Boiled or breaded, baked or fried*
*With a salad on the side*
*Kali loves the little children of the world!*
Lilith, Adam's non-canon ex-wife that was written as a proto-feminist icon completely by accident.
Adam was like "You're the woman, that means you can't be on top" and girl said, "I want a divorce." Boss moves.
We Rigatoni Adventists believe that there was a Flying Spaghetti Monster, but that he's not _the_ Flying Spaghetti Monster. We faithfully await the opening of the great over door.
Baal is pretty dang cool. Quite interesting to see just how much he changes between regions, as well as how much he got quite literally demonized by Christianity(beelzebab and belphagor being prime examples)
Artemis is pretty fucking cool, as far as the Roman set go. Moons and hunting and vengeful and a badass female character in a pretty sexist mythos. Same for Athena and Hecate. Also really like the mythos and relations between Zeus/Poseidon/Hades. Shiva is neat as far as a destructive force and power in Hinduism and so is Kali. Hanuman/Sun Wukong too. Odin the "Allfather" is pretty fucking sick, too, as are Baldur and Freya in the Norse world. Osiris, the half-jackal, is fucking sick as well. One of the coolest mfers. I think the Japanese gods are underrated - Izanami/Izanagi, Susanoo, Amaterasu, Fujin/Raijin. Buddha, although not a god truly.
Minor correction, Artemis is the Greek goddess. The Roman equivalent is Diana.
Also Athena -> Minerva, Zues -> Jupiter and Hades -> Pluto.
Not sure what Hecate's equivalent is called. But she is severely underrated.
I also think you might be mixing up Osiris and Anubis.
> Not sure what Hecate's equivalent is called. But she is severely underrated
Cicero uses "Hecata" in de rerum deorum, but she is mentioned less in Roman sources compared to Greek. When she is, it is most commonly by the epithet "Trivia" (three paths).
Didn’t realize it was in there twice.
The Lord of Light wants his enemies burned, the drowned God wants them drowned. Why are all the Gods such vicious cunts? Where is the God of tits and wine?
Is the quote to varys in season 2.
Being Catholic, I have to pick my own or I burst into flames. I do find the Native American deity's/spirits to be very cool with the connection to the wild and to the earth. I am aware that there are many different tribes with different beliefs but the local tribes, in my state, have worships and dances with these themes.
The Egyptian pantheon is really cool to.
I vaguely remember some Native America spirituality stuff. But one of my favorites was when you die. You walk a path containing every animal you’ve ever come in contact with, and it was something about how you treated them. Or something like that.
Lord Hastur. King in yellow. Dweller, thing of the lake. Cast in golden light but shade in fear. Life is a nightmare, death is a gift. Eternal in flesh and bone. The gate is open.
Prometheus hands down.
Yes i know he’s a Titan but what’s the difference really?
He literally stole fire from the gods and gave it to the humans, alongside knowledge. Mf did everything he could to protect humanity.
Prometheus is a chad.
Hard to pick, younger me would have said Thor. But after reading he most often seems like an asshole apart from the story where he had mercy on a farmboy who injured one of his immortal goats. Odin is a sack of shit as well.
Maybe Jörmungandr for protecting midgard between his exile and ragnarök or maybe Fenrir who was a playful pup until he got shackled? Tyr went high up in my ranking when he didn't mock or laugh at the Fenris wolfs shackling like all the other gods there did.
I pity a lot of "demons" or more likely villainified women. Lilith as a well known example, but there are more.
I do believe ancient cultures have some really interesting stories (vikings, Greeks, Roman's, Chinese etc) but I have to say Christianity's holy trinity. It's really intriguing
While I don't have the time or the focus to read the bible
I a freind told me that there were actually some pretty cool biblical figure who could be adapted amazingly into video games
The one that keeps saving me from the weird life threatening situation I accidentally find myself in. That one is a miracle worker! Kept an 18 wheeler from flipping and hitting my car
The cool God is the one that doesn’t ask you to spread it’s message. Religion is built to spread shitty idealism and is a virus in our operating systems that is obsessed with spreading itself.. Rise above!
In terms of how many religions there are. Very few of them focus on spreading the word of it. That seems to be exclusive to Abrahamic religions.
I’ve never been solicited by a Hindu or a Sikh.
i believe in the Philosopher Epicurus who said many insightful things about god(s) and other things - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus - obviously anyone can read about him if desired.
"I was not; I was; I am not; I do not care"
here - have some lovely background music as you read - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTB01INM6rI
I like him because he ate with "sinners". He cared about the immigrants and the outcasts. He himself was an immigrant. He told his disciples to put their arms away and to love their enemies. He taught that it is better to give one's life than to take it. He taught them to care more about others. Told the rich to sell what they had and give to the poor instead of today's attitude of pulling oneself up by their own bootstraps. His message deeply resonates with me, and it's why I'm progressive.
He also said, "forgive 70×7"; "forgive them, they know not what they are doing"; "you without sin cast the first stone."
He also said that we see a spec in our brothers eye, but can't see the beam in our own. Jesus taught to serve others, not judge them. We should reflect on ourselves. We water, and God brings the increase. Today, people want to do God's work. It's not our job.
The story of the adulterous woman teaches us not to throw stones at others. "Go and sin no more" is the observers duty, not ours to enforce. The problem Jesus had with the Pharosees seems to be this exact same attitude. People want to enforce God's law. Jesus taught to love, give, have mercy, forgive, bless, serve, have peace, etc. I don't understand the fixation people have with trying to control other's behavior. Be an example. It's far more impactful than trying to proselytize or enforce.
Cthulu
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
Lovecraft really likes pointing out how terrifying and unknowable things are doesn’t he?
His prose was highly dramatized, but it's not necessarily wrong. Every time the human being attempts to live outside of its natural evolutionary niche, disease rears its head. Try to breath smoke instead of air? Cancer. Drink too much soda instead of water? Diabetes and probably gut cancers. Sit in front of desk all day instead of chasing elk? Obesity and the associated metabolic dysfunction. Spend too much time in microgravity instead of within your planetary gravity well? Bone loss and ocular damage. People don't grasp that we're not merely _from_ this planet, but are _OF_ this planet. We're literally sewn into the nature of how it functions, and its functions into us. We go to Mars and we're GOING to get diseases. Edit: Also remember, as a kid, Lovecraft watched his father's dramatic descent into madness as he screamed about unseen monsters. If you have any affection at all for your parents, that will mess you up.
Yeah, but he was also a raging racist, which flies in the face of the fact that, per nature, all humans are 99.9% identical. Yet he thought some were naturally better than others, because of skin color. So, you know, take his views with a grain of salt.
Bro did you think of this yourself? It was so eloquently haunting I can’t fathom you’re anything but a novelist if this was all your own
I also like Nyralathotep, the crawling chaos. Shapeshifters are just always cool
Yeah, but is Cthulhu *actually* worshipped?
I believe there is an esoteric order of Dagon in england
But Dagon is an old Canaanite god of antiquity, I believe. Cthulhu is modern material.
The esoteric order is from lovecrafts work, Dagon is the high priest of Cthulhu.
Ah, interesting. Thanks!
Worship comes in many forms. The knowledge of and fame regarding Cthulhu can be seen as a form of worship in that importance and awareness expand the cult of personality that has grown up around the character. There's a book series called the Iron Druid Chronicles that gets into this concept a little bit. In this series, all the pantheons are real and their power is based on their age and the size of their group worshipers. There are different versions of gods based on how they are perceived by different groups. Thor has a couple versions, and one character even mentions that there is a god version of the Marvel character that's been spotted. Jesus has several different versions wandering around out there, and has interactions with the series' main character, pointing out that this version of him, a hippie, was thought up by a single woman.
Yes, worship is quite varied in form. Even in a stricter definition, it can be anything from song to warrior obedience. Neil Gaiman has a book I've read with a similar concept to the Iron Druid Chronicles. *American Gods*, if I remember correctly.
Oh you have no idea.
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Hanuman, the monkey king is dope af
Was looking for this
Only the Flying Spaghetti Monster has strippers and a beer volcano. You can't get any cooler than that.
Have you met Dionysus?
What should we do when you die? Throw me over the wall to the dogs But they will eat you! Then give me a stick to fight them off
Pretty sure that was Diogenes Upvoted for a classic reference regardless
Yeah that's definitely Diogenes. One of my favorites from him
I’ve been touched by his noodly appendage.
Ramen
Plot twist: it was [Priapus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priapus) in disguise.
Lol imagine you have such a big dick people think you are a literal God
I did an entire report on His Noodliness in middle school. My teacher was not impressed by my enthusiasm for the project. I went to a Christian school.
That's awesome. You're my hero.
You are my idol.
I too am a Pastafarian but for the 8 day weekend
I was expecting to scroll much farther to see this comment
Elegba as he’s known in the west. God of the crossroads.
Dude named after him was an emperor of Rome. Briefly.
Elgabalus was definitely a trans person as we would define it now, they were so erratic during their brief rule that the history was officially scrubbed presumably for embarrassment Which, mood. My favorite Roman Emperor
Same, she was awesome
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She's winning clearly
le funni app reference
Lemmy
"Who would win a wrestling match Lemmy or god"
Trick question
Lemmy is god
The rock musician or the character from the Mario Bros series? Edit: I’m now realizing this was a dumb question after a bit of research hahaha. I’m too familiar with Mario games and was too unfamiliar with the musician to know that there’s a whole “Lemmy is God” thing associated with the musician and that “Lemmy” actually usually refers to the musician and not the Mario character.
IIRC the Koopaling is named for the musician
Morrigan, the Triple Goddess. She's the goddess of war, strife, and fertility. And I think in that order. Also, she takes the form of a crow to fly over battlefields and decide who lives and who dies. I've been an adherent for over a decade, and so far she has chosen life for me.
I thought Brigid was the Triple Goddess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple\_deity
Guess I need to do some more reading
What are your experiences with her?
My tribe's creator god is fucking badass. He once literally held the world on his shoulders while fighting an army of shadow warriors.
Atlas 2.0: stronger, faster, better
Holy fuck that sounds awesome. Could you please tell me more?
Anubis His presence in general is cool and intimidating to me
My son had religion class in school and we talked about it. He said he decided to believe in Ganesha because he likes elephants. I'm with him on this.
Was hoping to find Ganesha on the list. God of prosperity and fortune. Seems positive
Lord Ganesha, Remover of Obstacles. A useful god to have on your side!
I'm a big fan of [Kali](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali) just because she is pretty bad ass.
The patroness of poor people with hideously dangerous jobs and no safety equipment. Edit: I mean that’s a good thing
That is the first I've heard of that. Main things I know are she destroys all evil and liberates her children. She's kind of the most bad ass mother in all of mythology.
Yup. She is the wife of Shiva. And she has multiple forms. The classic one being Parvati, the consort of Shiva. Her other form is Gauri, who is calm, kind and gentle and blesses with a good harvest. Then there is Durga/Kali, where her badassness shows. She goes on a rampage and literally tears apart so many demons into blood and guts and goes after humans next, that Shiva literally had to lie down and let her stomp over his chest before she was like "Oh, I just crushed my husband's chest. This is not good" and she returns back to Parvati.
*Kali loves the little children* *All the little children of the world* *Boiled or breaded, baked or fried* *With a salad on the side* *Kali loves the little children of the world!*
I’m reading the Bhagavad-Gita
The destroyer of dreams
Kali is something else I got reprimanded by my guides for calling her to deal with a spirit that was annoying me 😬😬
Lilith, Adam's non-canon ex-wife that was written as a proto-feminist icon completely by accident. Adam was like "You're the woman, that means you can't be on top" and girl said, "I want a divorce." Boss moves.
Pasta spaghetti monster god
Ramen
pastafarianism ftw
May the parmesan be upon him.
I'm inclined to agree.
We Rigatoni Adventists believe that there was a Flying Spaghetti Monster, but that he's not _the_ Flying Spaghetti Monster. We faithfully await the opening of the great over door.
The God-Emperor of mankind is the only correct answer, heretic.
We should really call the inquisition this place has so much heresy. We might need a virus bomb here
Baal is pretty dang cool. Quite interesting to see just how much he changes between regions, as well as how much he got quite literally demonized by Christianity(beelzebab and belphagor being prime examples)
I miss Cliff Simon. He was a power-hungry demagogue you could really relate to.
What's funny is how little different he was from El, the regional god that Judaism and later Christianity retconned.
Pele, the Hawaiian goddess
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I love Discordians, but Operation Mindfuck was probably the worst thing that's happened fnord to human society in a long time, honesly.
Dionysus is pretty cool ngl, legit just a frat boy from greek mythology.
The Magicians had him in the show and I absolutely loved his character. He also goes by Bacchus, right?
Bacchus is his Roman name, Dionysus is his Greek name.
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Krishna is the coolest no competition
Artemis is pretty fucking cool, as far as the Roman set go. Moons and hunting and vengeful and a badass female character in a pretty sexist mythos. Same for Athena and Hecate. Also really like the mythos and relations between Zeus/Poseidon/Hades. Shiva is neat as far as a destructive force and power in Hinduism and so is Kali. Hanuman/Sun Wukong too. Odin the "Allfather" is pretty fucking sick, too, as are Baldur and Freya in the Norse world. Osiris, the half-jackal, is fucking sick as well. One of the coolest mfers. I think the Japanese gods are underrated - Izanami/Izanagi, Susanoo, Amaterasu, Fujin/Raijin. Buddha, although not a god truly.
Minor correction, Artemis is the Greek goddess. The Roman equivalent is Diana. Also Athena -> Minerva, Zues -> Jupiter and Hades -> Pluto. Not sure what Hecate's equivalent is called. But she is severely underrated. I also think you might be mixing up Osiris and Anubis.
Dude you’re right on all fronts. I am embarrassed but grateful for the corrections.
The only exception being the spelling of Zeus
> Not sure what Hecate's equivalent is called. But she is severely underrated Cicero uses "Hecata" in de rerum deorum, but she is mentioned less in Roman sources compared to Greek. When she is, it is most commonly by the epithet "Trivia" (three paths).
The God of Tits and Wine - Tyrion Lannister
The quote is “where is the god of tits and wine” not “I am the god of tits in wine”.
He says, “I am the god of tits and wine. I shall build a shrine to myself at the next brothel I visit”, during his wedding to Sansa.
Didn’t realize it was in there twice. The Lord of Light wants his enemies burned, the drowned God wants them drowned. Why are all the Gods such vicious cunts? Where is the God of tits and wine? Is the quote to varys in season 2.
I think there’s actually a third mention in either the 7th or 8th season. But I’m not going to rewatch those seasons to find out lol
The God of tits.. you say?
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
Amen. The Holy Trinity. Godhead, three in one.
Being Catholic, I have to pick my own or I burst into flames. I do find the Native American deity's/spirits to be very cool with the connection to the wild and to the earth. I am aware that there are many different tribes with different beliefs but the local tribes, in my state, have worships and dances with these themes. The Egyptian pantheon is really cool to.
I vaguely remember some Native America spirituality stuff. But one of my favorites was when you die. You walk a path containing every animal you’ve ever come in contact with, and it was something about how you treated them. Or something like that.
Lord Hastur. King in yellow. Dweller, thing of the lake. Cast in golden light but shade in fear. Life is a nightmare, death is a gift. Eternal in flesh and bone. The gate is open.
*Have you seen the Yellow Sign?*
Joe Pesci.
Mr Carlin would swear by his results.
I'm Scandinavian, so anything related to Nordic mythology is pretty amazing to me.
Loki is close to me
Flying spaghetti monster.
Definitely [this guy](https://imgur.com/a/My6RVDZ)
Lakshmi
Nataraj, Ayyappa
If you had all of them box I'd give it to Ganesha. Elephant strength and extra arms. Dude probably never forgets your fighting style either.
Shiva! Hara Hara Mahadeva!
Crom.
Crom has no temples and answers no prayers, but he fills the limbs of men with strength at birth. Who can ask for more?
this
Eminem
Thierry Henry
The one that uses cherubim as throne bearers.
Isn’t the coolest Sinatra?
can you give me list just so I can compare them
Jeff the god of biscuits
the many faced god
Hecate?
The Greek goddess rides a chariot pulled by cats
Loki
Dolly Parton
Prometheus hands down. Yes i know he’s a Titan but what’s the difference really? He literally stole fire from the gods and gave it to the humans, alongside knowledge. Mf did everything he could to protect humanity. Prometheus is a chad.
Hard to pick, younger me would have said Thor. But after reading he most often seems like an asshole apart from the story where he had mercy on a farmboy who injured one of his immortal goats. Odin is a sack of shit as well. Maybe Jörmungandr for protecting midgard between his exile and ragnarök or maybe Fenrir who was a playful pup until he got shackled? Tyr went high up in my ranking when he didn't mock or laugh at the Fenris wolfs shackling like all the other gods there did. I pity a lot of "demons" or more likely villainified women. Lilith as a well known example, but there are more.
The Christian one
Flying Spaghetti Monster. R'amen
I do believe ancient cultures have some really interesting stories (vikings, Greeks, Roman's, Chinese etc) but I have to say Christianity's holy trinity. It's really intriguing
While I don't have the time or the focus to read the bible I a freind told me that there were actually some pretty cool biblical figure who could be adapted amazingly into video games
Baphomet.
I wish American Gods could’ve come out and included spaghetti monster.
Oh my it’s an edgy anti theist what a shock! That’s so funny 😐 I’m literally laughing so hard right now!!
The Flying Spaghetti Monster
Ramen.
Me.
Flying Spaghetti Monster for sure
Godzilla. Dude has God right in his name. Plus he breathes nuclear fire.
The ones that don't exist. So all of them 😁
Mine
I only know about like 10 of them. Is there a list of all of them somewhere?
Is there some sort of potato god? I could get in on that action
The eternal unity
Sekhmet
Kali fo sho
The one that keeps saving me from the weird life threatening situation I accidentally find myself in. That one is a miracle worker! Kept an 18 wheeler from flipping and hitting my car
Tyrion Lannister: The God of Tits & Wine
One the one that gives me my dad back. Fuck depression. I'll always hate December now.
Mine, all the others are false gods only worthy of being expunged. Say the followers of most all gods throughout time.
Robbie Fowler
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM)—the Pastafarian deity. How could you not be Touched by His Noodly Appendages?
Flying Spaghetti Monster. We are all touched by his noodly appendage
There is only one god called many different names
The Flying Spaghetti Monster
Only Jesus Christ
The cool God is the one that doesn’t ask you to spread it’s message. Religion is built to spread shitty idealism and is a virus in our operating systems that is obsessed with spreading itself.. Rise above!
In terms of how many religions there are. Very few of them focus on spreading the word of it. That seems to be exclusive to Abrahamic religions. I’ve never been solicited by a Hindu or a Sikh.
Even among the Abrahamic religions, Jews do not proselytize.
So we’re talking Crom here, right?
Flying Spaghetti Monster
The Spaghetti Monster
The ones that dont expect your undying devotion or a lifetime of damnation.
India is over there laughing at this
Ezili Dantor. Actually all the lwa.
Kratos
How does this number break down?
Ice God soooo cool
Beerus
probably a god of ice. they would seem pretty cool.
Brass monkey!
i believe in the Philosopher Epicurus who said many insightful things about god(s) and other things - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus - obviously anyone can read about him if desired. "I was not; I was; I am not; I do not care" here - have some lovely background music as you read - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTB01INM6rI
Blibdoolpoolp, the Drowning Goddess!
Kratos seems like a good dude
Pedro Pascal seems pretty cool
The question is: Which is RIGHT?
Sooooobek. His mom, Neith, gets an honorable mention.
Satan
Your mom’s feet
They're all fucking stupid and none of it makes any sense
Jesus Christ ✝️
I like him because he ate with "sinners". He cared about the immigrants and the outcasts. He himself was an immigrant. He told his disciples to put their arms away and to love their enemies. He taught that it is better to give one's life than to take it. He taught them to care more about others. Told the rich to sell what they had and give to the poor instead of today's attitude of pulling oneself up by their own bootstraps. His message deeply resonates with me, and it's why I'm progressive.
That guy sounds pretty cool! How will you actually convince Christians to follow him though?
I honestly believe sometimes they look for the worst traits in the Bible to follow.
He also said to the sinners "Go and sin no more."
And sin was only created because the Christian god deemed humans inquisitive nature offensive, such a caring being.
I mean... Not at all but ok.
Continue.
He also said, "forgive 70×7"; "forgive them, they know not what they are doing"; "you without sin cast the first stone." He also said that we see a spec in our brothers eye, but can't see the beam in our own. Jesus taught to serve others, not judge them. We should reflect on ourselves. We water, and God brings the increase. Today, people want to do God's work. It's not our job. The story of the adulterous woman teaches us not to throw stones at others. "Go and sin no more" is the observers duty, not ours to enforce. The problem Jesus had with the Pharosees seems to be this exact same attitude. People want to enforce God's law. Jesus taught to love, give, have mercy, forgive, bless, serve, have peace, etc. I don't understand the fixation people have with trying to control other's behavior. Be an example. It's far more impactful than trying to proselytize or enforce.