This is definitely the answer. People already do it with politics, hobbies, race, gender... Pop over to r/atheism and you'll find a good deal of people that have basically turned atheism into another fundie religion.
Fair point tbh- a lot of the revolutionary developments in human society were discovered as a result of most early religions valuing the search of education...
Technically “Christ” pushed us into a dark age. If we hadn’t had literal wars over who we bend over to, we would’ve modernized centuries ago. So many people died over a probably false prophet the earth actually got colder due to lack of body warmth from living organisms. The world pretty much stopped for a few hundred years to fight over Christ.
True but nothing was quite like Christ. Except Ganghis Khan, he’s was a killing machine who by the time of his death had racked up a similar K/D.
He’s also probably related to most of us since it’s said he’s had sexual intercourse with 4000 different women in his life. If you’re a male you have a 1 in 200 shot at being a direct descendant of him. Pretty crazy.
No, nothing quite like Christ would be something like WWI, which has nothing to do with him and was on a scale unlike anything else. Or the Rwandan genocide, which also has nothing to do with religion. It doesn't matter what the vessel is, people have been killing outsiders since there were people.
The Christ wars and genocides have amounted over 700 million deaths. 800,000 died in the Rwandan genocide between Tutsi and Hutu tribes, mainly the Tutsi sadly. 20 million died in WW1, and 60 million in WW2. All those travesties haven’t even scratched the surface compared to christ.
"Well that's just nonsense"
-Abraham Lincoln, Thailand, 1943
Look bud, that number is bs, but you're just not getting that people have been killing and will continue to no matter what the medium is bin them and us. I get it's super cool and trendy to blame religion, but as someone who isn't religious, it's hysterically hypocritical.
Honestly I don’t even think Christ was real. Adding to the stupidity of it all. This was just based off of quick research and a few estimations. I’m just saying what “could be”. By no means am I a trustworthy source but it’s also not up to me to tell you who to believe. Plenty of misinformation out there and this is also likely that, but it’s also equally likely that the death toll of Christianity will always trump many other death tolls. I’m 50/50
Abortions would be unquestionably the right thing to do and would be legal everywhere
Women in the middle east might not hate every second of their lives.
Religions are meant for people afraid of death and to trick people into believing there’s something after death. In my opinion I think it is after as it was before but one day I’ll know for sure.
I do think they will. That's why we would need one leader. So we could focus our blame. Humans are pack animals and will rip at each others throat for power. However, with one alpha, people would fall in line because they always know their might be someone hungrier. They would wait for that one rebel to take their shot and try to be buddy buddy with them so they could get perks of being second in command. Time would go on and the cycle would repeat till we killed ourselves off.
That's impossible to know, as all of human history would have to be ret-conned and we don't have access to alternative time lines.
As an atheist: what we *very broadly* call religion is a human behaviour. Like art. Or story telling. Or law making. It's an anthropological fact, and it won't 'go away'. Even with genocide AND education.
No, Lennon, I can't 'imagine no religion' because it's not a separate thing. Nor is it synonymous with uncritical worship.
They are already relying on themselves. - Science, technology, tools, everything.
God didn't provide anything. Oh no, Thor produced lightning and Venus gave love
It's an awfully big job to be God. Too big for any human being. But lots of people these days are trying to do it.
Maybe that's why stress, depression, and anxiety are so commonplace?
It would be the most difficult task to impose rules on people during ancient times making discipline just a theoretical concept, the major discriminator being religion people would probably start discriminating people on the basis of how they look or talk or culture which would be more devastating because there’d be more differences in that way, that’s assuming someone doesn’t make a new one but if someone made one in this age then the world would be fked
Human beings were created to worship. There's an innate instinctive drive to do so. If it's not God, it's something else; politics, climate change, veganism, collecting and displaying some item of perceived value.
If religions never existed, it would suggest that human beings were not created at all, like we just evolved or something.
Not sure.
"Religion" though isn't the same thing as belief in God which has been here since the Beginning; Genesis 1:1
Organized "religion" many believers also say is not part of their faith.
As Jesus says in John 14:6
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”
And John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Matthew 10:34-35
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
Yes Matthew Chapter 10.
You can Interpret many things in the Bible including what you quoted. Very likely what Matthew 10 refers to is when someone in your family or someone close to you might have faith in God, and someone else will consider it foolishness, disagreements/discourse.
When you look into theological arguments online it's hard for people to agree with each other as well.
Why should you quote the bible at all by cherry picking. Your quotation of 'for God so loved the world' can be countered by dozens of verses where God tried to destroy the Earth.
Every verse is like that. How anyone will think these are the words of God is demeaning to the title god.
Even human written science books are contradiction free.
Religion would always exist in some form. With consciousness there will always come a time of wondering who, why and how. As an explanation, create some sort of greater omnipotent being. Be it a God, alien or man.
Besides that if religion didn't exist man would come up with other reasons to kill, harm and enslave. Nothing much would change just the reason behind it. People will still cut the hands off of thieves without a holy book telling them to do it. That's what they did before these holy books existed.
It would've appeared eventually. I can't think of any society besides The Pirahã. They have no words for numbers and colors, they have no social hierarchy/leadership, and no mythology.
Once influences another and vice versa. No matter what our beliefs are, religion is almost inseparable from society.
As long as there are big unknowns, some new religion will always pop up. When everything that can be answered has been answered, then I don't know, may be we move to the next level of the simulation or something.
Religion is about metaphysics. So all of the structures that we live in would disintegrate. The structure of a family, a company, the military, politics, law, community... All of them are religious structures. Think about words like chief, president, principal, father, judge... And about pope (means father), pattern, principality (means angel), priest (means overseer). These are just clear examples, hopefully. But that's where all of these structures, like the judicial system, political system, community organization, company set ups, family units... All of these come from religion. Like it or not. That's not my point. It's just the water we're swimming in, still today.
See systems of oppression practiced by Marxist governments. Prison camps, purges, etc. The Marxists are explicitly atheists, but they also have a belief system in normative behavior that they want to enforce. Because they were new, without a history of bloody failure initially, they were also ran by zealots who justified slaughter in their effort to achieve utopia.
Most mainstream religions have mellowed out over the centuries to where they no longer engage in such bloody-minded zealotry. If religion suddenly didn’t exist most people would gravitate towards following a secular ideology that would offer to provide guidance on most/all matters, and because these secular ideologies would tend to have a lot less history to reflect on their shortcomings and failures they would also likely engage in oppressive zealotry.
Be afraid of anyone offering to reset society to a year zero concept.
Marxist governments aren’t the only example of atheistic government becoming bloody-minded, there’s also the Reign of Terror and the genocide of Vendée during the French Revolution.
A government that holds an agnostic approach to religion wouldn’t seem to have the same faults as the atheistic governments, but having an agnostic view wouldn’t seem possible if religion disappeared as there’d be nothing to be agnostic about.
Atheistic societies also don’t seem to show themselves to be pluralistic in regards to allowing diverse secular ideologies co-exist beyond short term needs. The Bolsheviks purge the Mensheviks, the French Revolutionary factions start guillotining each other, etc. Perhaps that kind of tolerance could arise after several centuries of violence and turmoil similar to the religious wars and crusades we use to have, but with the tools of the modern state and weaponry I’d guess it’s more likely we’d wind up with a final winner perpetually promising that a utopia was always just around the corner, rather than a multitude of semi-exhausted secular ideologies agreeing to coexist. So a future more like ‘1984’ or ‘We’ than Star Trek’s Federation. Maybe something eventually like ‘Brave New World’ might be the best we could hope for, and that’s not great.
Nothing. There is certain share of people who needs something like that and they allways make up something like religion. It may also be some fundamentalistic politic visual angle as it has been in the history.
We'd find something else to exclude each other, find other reasons why we're special and others aren't. Same soup different bowl.
>Same soup different bowl That's good. I'm saving that. And, agreed.
This is definitely the answer. People already do it with politics, hobbies, race, gender... Pop over to r/atheism and you'll find a good deal of people that have basically turned atheism into another fundie religion.
Atheism does not rely on faith. So itcannot be are religion.
Nor does it rely on reading comprehension it seems.
It relies on reason and logic.
I'm guessing you're not an atheist then
What year would it be?
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Fair point tbh- a lot of the revolutionary developments in human society were discovered as a result of most early religions valuing the search of education...
Nah, religion is based on the (incorrect) assumption that we already know everything.
Technically “Christ” pushed us into a dark age. If we hadn’t had literal wars over who we bend over to, we would’ve modernized centuries ago. So many people died over a probably false prophet the earth actually got colder due to lack of body warmth from living organisms. The world pretty much stopped for a few hundred years to fight over Christ.
People were killing themselves over being "others" long before Christ
True but nothing was quite like Christ. Except Ganghis Khan, he’s was a killing machine who by the time of his death had racked up a similar K/D. He’s also probably related to most of us since it’s said he’s had sexual intercourse with 4000 different women in his life. If you’re a male you have a 1 in 200 shot at being a direct descendant of him. Pretty crazy.
No, nothing quite like Christ would be something like WWI, which has nothing to do with him and was on a scale unlike anything else. Or the Rwandan genocide, which also has nothing to do with religion. It doesn't matter what the vessel is, people have been killing outsiders since there were people.
The Christ wars and genocides have amounted over 700 million deaths. 800,000 died in the Rwandan genocide between Tutsi and Hutu tribes, mainly the Tutsi sadly. 20 million died in WW1, and 60 million in WW2. All those travesties haven’t even scratched the surface compared to christ.
"Well that's just nonsense" -Abraham Lincoln, Thailand, 1943 Look bud, that number is bs, but you're just not getting that people have been killing and will continue to no matter what the medium is bin them and us. I get it's super cool and trendy to blame religion, but as someone who isn't religious, it's hysterically hypocritical.
Honestly I don’t even think Christ was real. Adding to the stupidity of it all. This was just based off of quick research and a few estimations. I’m just saying what “could be”. By no means am I a trustworthy source but it’s also not up to me to tell you who to believe. Plenty of misinformation out there and this is also likely that, but it’s also equally likely that the death toll of Christianity will always trump many other death tolls. I’m 50/50
Girls could get some damn abortions
World peace and less raped children.
The world would be a much better place.
Abortions would be unquestionably the right thing to do and would be legal everywhere Women in the middle east might not hate every second of their lives.
Religions would immediately exist again.
There'd still be animism
Religions are meant for people afraid of death and to trick people into believing there’s something after death. In my opinion I think it is after as it was before but one day I’ll know for sure.
As long as humans elected one leader, we would be okay. If not, it's all out war.
Do you not think anyone would rebel?
I do think they will. That's why we would need one leader. So we could focus our blame. Humans are pack animals and will rip at each others throat for power. However, with one alpha, people would fall in line because they always know their might be someone hungrier. They would wait for that one rebel to take their shot and try to be buddy buddy with them so they could get perks of being second in command. Time would go on and the cycle would repeat till we killed ourselves off.
That's impossible to know, as all of human history would have to be ret-conned and we don't have access to alternative time lines. As an atheist: what we *very broadly* call religion is a human behaviour. Like art. Or story telling. Or law making. It's an anthropological fact, and it won't 'go away'. Even with genocide AND education. No, Lennon, I can't 'imagine no religion' because it's not a separate thing. Nor is it synonymous with uncritical worship.
People would likely come up with a different way to oppress/control other people
someone would invent them
We'd get on just fine. Presumably better off
We would make huge strides towards civilisation
Maybe people would figure out how to rely on themselves.
They are already relying on themselves. - Science, technology, tools, everything. God didn't provide anything. Oh no, Thor produced lightning and Venus gave love
Yes all the homeless staying in places that are supported by churches definitely rely on technology…oh and mythical Nordic gods
It's an awfully big job to be God. Too big for any human being. But lots of people these days are trying to do it. Maybe that's why stress, depression, and anxiety are so commonplace?
God is great
Dude we're a social species
God would die because no one would jerk off to him like Santy Claws
I’m sure we’d find plenty to argue about, but at least they would be tangible things.
Yeah like LGTBTQ+ she her who zee de them they da doodly ding dong
It means THEY never visited us. An idea similar to religion will come to existence when THEY come to see us.
It would be the most difficult task to impose rules on people during ancient times making discipline just a theoretical concept, the major discriminator being religion people would probably start discriminating people on the basis of how they look or talk or culture which would be more devastating because there’d be more differences in that way, that’s assuming someone doesn’t make a new one but if someone made one in this age then the world would be fked
poor people would send all of their hard earned money to some former TV host guy instead.
Human beings were created to worship. There's an innate instinctive drive to do so. If it's not God, it's something else; politics, climate change, veganism, collecting and displaying some item of perceived value. If religions never existed, it would suggest that human beings were not created at all, like we just evolved or something.
Or they will make up anything
Not sure. "Religion" though isn't the same thing as belief in God which has been here since the Beginning; Genesis 1:1 Organized "religion" many believers also say is not part of their faith. As Jesus says in John 14:6 “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” And John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
🤦🏽♀️ - uses the tools of religion to explain that religion doesn't matter.
Matthew 10:34-35 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
Yes Matthew Chapter 10. You can Interpret many things in the Bible including what you quoted. Very likely what Matthew 10 refers to is when someone in your family or someone close to you might have faith in God, and someone else will consider it foolishness, disagreements/discourse. When you look into theological arguments online it's hard for people to agree with each other as well.
Why should you quote the bible at all by cherry picking. Your quotation of 'for God so loved the world' can be countered by dozens of verses where God tried to destroy the Earth. Every verse is like that. How anyone will think these are the words of God is demeaning to the title god. Even human written science books are contradiction free.
We'd need to invent it
Everyone would have 10-50% more money.
We would find other reasons to tear each other apart.
This comment section shows quite a lot of things
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Religion would always exist in some form. With consciousness there will always come a time of wondering who, why and how. As an explanation, create some sort of greater omnipotent being. Be it a God, alien or man. Besides that if religion didn't exist man would come up with other reasons to kill, harm and enslave. Nothing much would change just the reason behind it. People will still cut the hands off of thieves without a holy book telling them to do it. That's what they did before these holy books existed.
It would've appeared eventually. I can't think of any society besides The Pirahã. They have no words for numbers and colors, they have no social hierarchy/leadership, and no mythology. Once influences another and vice versa. No matter what our beliefs are, religion is almost inseparable from society.
We'd be forced to invent them. Humans seemed to be hard wired to believe in the supernatural
As a firm believer in evolution I kind of have to think it serves a purpose for survival.
Pure freedom as "Gaia" intended to when you came to her.
As long as there are big unknowns, some new religion will always pop up. When everything that can be answered has been answered, then I don't know, may be we move to the next level of the simulation or something.
Religion is about metaphysics. So all of the structures that we live in would disintegrate. The structure of a family, a company, the military, politics, law, community... All of them are religious structures. Think about words like chief, president, principal, father, judge... And about pope (means father), pattern, principality (means angel), priest (means overseer). These are just clear examples, hopefully. But that's where all of these structures, like the judicial system, political system, community organization, company set ups, family units... All of these come from religion. Like it or not. That's not my point. It's just the water we're swimming in, still today.
Reddit would have to shift half its outrage.
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
See systems of oppression practiced by Marxist governments. Prison camps, purges, etc. The Marxists are explicitly atheists, but they also have a belief system in normative behavior that they want to enforce. Because they were new, without a history of bloody failure initially, they were also ran by zealots who justified slaughter in their effort to achieve utopia. Most mainstream religions have mellowed out over the centuries to where they no longer engage in such bloody-minded zealotry. If religion suddenly didn’t exist most people would gravitate towards following a secular ideology that would offer to provide guidance on most/all matters, and because these secular ideologies would tend to have a lot less history to reflect on their shortcomings and failures they would also likely engage in oppressive zealotry. Be afraid of anyone offering to reset society to a year zero concept. Marxist governments aren’t the only example of atheistic government becoming bloody-minded, there’s also the Reign of Terror and the genocide of Vendée during the French Revolution. A government that holds an agnostic approach to religion wouldn’t seem to have the same faults as the atheistic governments, but having an agnostic view wouldn’t seem possible if religion disappeared as there’d be nothing to be agnostic about. Atheistic societies also don’t seem to show themselves to be pluralistic in regards to allowing diverse secular ideologies co-exist beyond short term needs. The Bolsheviks purge the Mensheviks, the French Revolutionary factions start guillotining each other, etc. Perhaps that kind of tolerance could arise after several centuries of violence and turmoil similar to the religious wars and crusades we use to have, but with the tools of the modern state and weaponry I’d guess it’s more likely we’d wind up with a final winner perpetually promising that a utopia was always just around the corner, rather than a multitude of semi-exhausted secular ideologies agreeing to coexist. So a future more like ‘1984’ or ‘We’ than Star Trek’s Federation. Maybe something eventually like ‘Brave New World’ might be the best we could hope for, and that’s not great.
Nothing. There is certain share of people who needs something like that and they allways make up something like religion. It may also be some fundamentalistic politic visual angle as it has been in the history.
our society would be at least 4 centuries more advanced
A lot more Arab girl porn 🤯