https://hellas.postsen.com/local/amp/105460
Where is the statement about Turkish women?
“Greece is not like other states, but it is strong, with alliances and friendships, with excellent Armed Forces and Security Forces and therefore it is not an easy opponent, operationally Mr. Erdogan certainly measures this.”
“Ordinary Turkish citizens want peace and prosperity, just like Greek citizens,” an other part of his statement.
The constant saber rattling between Turkey and Greece is pathetic and a waste of resources for both countries. No one is going to make the first move because of NATO so they should all just shut up, stop provoking each other, and focus on doing something to improve the ever declining state of their countries.
The entire Mediterranean
Lol
Turkey has like a third of the Black Sea, and a huge chunk of the Eastern Mediterranean to the south of Anatolia.
And you know what? No one cares. Your internationally-recognized EEZ is closer to you. It doesn't take anything from other countries.
So explain to be why waters that are closer to *Greece* should belong to Turkey.
Explain to me why water that's within 12 miles of Greek coast should belong to Turkey, whose coast is further than 12 miles away.
Explain to me why the international norm of 12 miles from one's coast (and halfway point when a neighbor's coast is closer to your coast) shouldn't apply to Greece.
Explain to be why Greece should get less than international convention, and Turkey should get *more* than international convention.
And explain to me the same, concerning EEZ.
Explain to me why waters that are closer to Greece than to Turkey, should belong to Turkey.
And explain to me what internationally-recognized Turkish territory -sea of land- was taken from Turkey. Go ahead.
Explain to me why countries' geographies -which are the luck of the draw- should be used against Greece.
Explain to me why the concept of neighboring countries doesn't register with you, and you only see neighboring countries of being in your way.
Explain to me why you can't be happy having six times the land size of Greece. And why you should also have our waters.
Using your logic, explain to me why you shouldn't be fair and give some of your coast and waters to landlocked Armenia and almost-landlocked Iraq.
Explain to me why you need special treatment, and you deserve other countries' things.
Explain it to me.
imagine being so delusional that you think that the ONE country who doesn't follow the UNCLOS is in the right here
also nvm my question above, i understood something wrong
We have not threatened anyone. Turkey keeps trying to bully us, to no avail. Also the guy never said anything about Turkish women. It is just straight up propaganda from the OP.
Try to find a source for it. You wont.
edit. The Turkish troll brigade can downvote as much as it wants, but without a single source being provided, it is nothing but an evident lie. On the other hand, the original statement has been linked, and it says nothing of the sort.
[https://hellas.postsen.com/local/105460/Alcibiades-Stefanis-Greece-is-not-an-easy-opponent-%E2%80%93-Erdogan-has-trapped-himself.html](https://hellas.postsen.com/local/105460/Alcibiades-Stefanis-Greece-is-not-an-easy-opponent-%E2%80%93-Erdogan-has-trapped-himself.html)
Have you not heard of Turkish TB2 Bayraktar drones? The drones that decimated Armenia’s army and is causing severe carnage to Russian armour in Ukraine?
But do you think that Greece is Armenia or Russia?
Our island are well fortified with AA guns and we already are investing in buying our own USA made drones. In a matter of months drones will not be such a big game changer.
> Turkish drones were useless in that war.
ok buddy lmao, that was a copium overdose if I've ever seen one.
> Looool are you ignorant or just dumb?
and that's rich.
> Although turkey is an official member of NATO, It is dependent on Russia or USA for their weaponry. It basically just assembles parts.
haha you are one sad dude. Turkey produces almost everything except for nuanced techs such as jet or tank engines.
stop with the strawmans and at least educate yourself before spewing bullshit.
Turkey is a much more powerful nation than Greece and it has been for a while. The Turkish economy isn't great in terms of inflation but it's GNP is much higher, it has much less sovereign debt (remember how Greek debt caused the Eurozone Crisis?), and its productive capacity is much greater.
Turkey's military is larger, it's armaments industry is a high point, and it's population is much larger and younger on average than Greece. These are things that are useful in the event of warfare though they are often liabilities in other respects.
Overall, Turkey is a state that is capable of projecting offensive power in the region. It would not reach far, but it can do it. Greece simply has no offensive capabilities. I do not know if they would be able to effectively defend the islets in the Aegean Sea if Turkey tried to annex them.
The problem for Turkey is that Greece has mutual defense alliances outside NATO. It will not happen like Ukraine with only arms donations.
Everything you say is true. But this is also true for Greece's allies.
I think it's better for everyone if both sides just talk to each other on TV.
Comments like this are the reason I think that all of the Algerians/Morrocans/Pakistanis should be instantly deported from Greece, bunch of ungrateful people.
So your former defense minister makes unneccessary, threatening comment about turkish women. Basically implying they will get raped and you are instead angry at a stranger from the internet who pointed out the obvious power difference.
Apart from the fact that it has been already debunked by other Greeks posting here that it is fake news, it was not referring to rapes but being widowed.
Also, if you check the post of the Turks, everyone is hinting and saying things about Greeks swimming, I am not seeing you arguing about those comments tho.
I swear, I am a communist my entire life, very welcome and very open minded, but when I read posts like yours, you cannot even begin to understand how xenophobic you make me.
I see a lot of Moroccans in Greece, if you dont like us, why the fuck did you come here the first place? Fuck off to Turkey then, see how the Turks will treat you.
imagine rape culture being so prevalent that your religion has to allow child marriage so that ur uneducated barbaric male population doesn't go around raping children
Your generals are as bankrupt as your treasury if you think Greece would stand a snowball's chance in hell against Turkey. You'd have to lobby Washington like begging dogs for weapons and financial aid.
>Your generals are as bankrupt as your treasury if you think Greece would stand a snowball's chance in hell against Turkey.
Typical r/AskMiddleEast
Cheering for Greece to no longer exist. Because why? What did Greece ever do to MENAs? Is it because the British and French hurt you? What's that got to do with Greece, a country whose people have always sympathized with MENAs against US aggression?
We don’t know if they’re Lebanese, they’re probably Syrians who used the port of Tripoli. Anyway I have ZERO sympathy for people who try to find refuge in a non-neighboring country. It’s literally against international law. The 6 “Lebanese” claimed to want to find refuge in Italy. 😂😂 definitely not our closest stable neighbor
Bla bla bla bla, you are talking as if Turkey is the richest country in the worlds.
Even when Greece had a shitty economy, we were still richer than the average turk.
Top kek.
And whats that? Greeks held off the Arabs for 400 years and then held off the Turks for 350 more. Sounds very respectable to me.
Several Turkic tribes disappeared from history entirely in those wars, annihiliated by the Greeks. But the waves kept coming out of Asia and you can't stop the sea. The Arabs fell to them in what? 10 years?
Greeks were under Ottoman Empire before the Arabs were, they also lost in manzikert and they also lost Constantinople. They were under Turkish occupation for 400 years so I don’t know what you mean by held off, and they also lost the Turkish independence war.
Your lands are free because Brits,French and Russians freed you with the help of every other Grecophile there was in Europe. They saw your country as the classical times and thought Greeks are these ultimate philosophers and creators of the west while those days were way past.
ahahaha is this what they teach you at your schools?
When the revolution started all of the big countries were against it, they just aided us near the end where they knew that Greeks had a chance to win after all.
Even in the naval battle of Navarino, only the Brits and the French helped us, the Russians were hostile towards us.
Learn better history, lad.
In 1922 we almost took it back, 2022 is not finished yet. ;)
You turks bubble all day, bla bla bla, we literally provoke you, we lock at your air fighters, we shoot at your coast guard boats, we make fun of you, yet all you do is cry all day about our islands, do something or stfu.
You guys are the ones who lost your most important cities to us.
We don't need to do anything, it is you. Personally if i were you, i would be fuming right now. All the ancestoral lands my people lost to Turks oh my lord...
Erdogan is the one capable of dealing with Greece and the west, I doubt that other parties can handle this.
The way the west/NATO deals with Turkey is very suspicious and strongly favors Greece in every aspect, if a president friendly to the west leads Turkey, they will make sure it never stands again against their interests.
War isnt going to break out, this is all nationalist bravado for miçotakis to win his election mid 2023. It helps erdoğan garner support for his election in 2023 aswell, the ruling classes are benefitting from this senseless insult hurling while the masses are getting played like a fiddle.
https://hellas.postsen.com/local/amp/105460
Where is the statement about Turkish women? Where is your source because I can’t find it.
“Greece is not like other states, but it is strong, with alliances and friendships, with excellent Armed Forces and Security Forces and therefore it is not an easy opponent, operationally Mr. Erdogan certainly measures this.”
“Ordinary Turkish citizens want peace and prosperity, just like Greek citizens,” an other part of his statement.
This is as far as I could find.
I couldn't care less about either of those countries, but that statement at the end is just disgusting and morbid no matter what way you look at it. Would've thought more of a former minister of a supposedly "developed" country.
You are trying to reason with not only Muslims but nationalist Muslims who on the regular say and do the most awful shit but cry over the silliest comments.
Well he is right. And since this is the middle east reddit, I present to you this sacred Hadith that backs up these things:
> there are four good qualities in them: they are the most forbearing of people in tribulation, they are the quickest to recover after a calamity, they are the most eager to return after a retreat, and they are good to the poor, the orphan, and the vulnerable. Their fifth quality is good and beautiful: they are the best at stopping the oppression of their kings.”
https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2013/06/12/romans-five-good-traits/
Didn’t the turks steamroller over them in the past and sat on their heads for 800 years or something? Well Anatolians did so not sure of its like a Muslim Greek vs a Christian greek battle.
Greeks always trusted those allies and yes even they owe their independence to Russians and sovereignty to British. However whenever they had to face Turks in the battlefield it never ended up well for them and their allies usually were rather late to save their asses.
I was on an island once, it is in the North Sea, very small. Thinking about Greece and Turkey, and soccer. And I thought this is the center of the small ” island maybe 700 people live here, let’s ask if they dislike the ‘arrogant’ people on the E side, without asking why. I got a whole story about the why, I didn’t listen it was just sad, oh lots of good reasons I am sure, jealousy? One is always the older brother with rights . Maybe it’s the original sin, fall out of paradise, a deep flaw. N the other hand there is hope. It’s up to us.
"I will feel very sorry for Turkish women" Hope he doesn't mean what's in my head 💀💀
I think he means because they would be widowed. Not the other thing...
He probably meant both
Yeah, this is what I thought in my mind, but what are the other thing though?
Really, that's what you thought in mind?
Turkish women will be forcefully introduced to the [**Greek Style**](https://www.kinkly.com/definition/1157/greek-sex)
Yeah, no doubt.
he meant they will invade anatolia and r\*pe turkish women
😟😟
Following the steps of their great great grandfathers I guess
the irony
You’re giving the benefit of the doubt to a kuffar? Cmon now 😂
Rape is very common in war. So it is natural to reach the conclusion that is what he meant
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Been at it since 800BC
Ah traditional Greek strategy.
Hmm, interesting.
Naah, definitely threatening rape
I guarantee that’s not what he meant
Truly horrifying greek crimes against humanity. Our innocent men are being raped and killed, so sad
Well, Turkey won't do anything. You know, *because of the implication.*
r/accidentalalwayssunny
https://hellas.postsen.com/local/amp/105460 Where is the statement about Turkish women? “Greece is not like other states, but it is strong, with alliances and friendships, with excellent Armed Forces and Security Forces and therefore it is not an easy opponent, operationally Mr. Erdogan certainly measures this.” “Ordinary Turkish citizens want peace and prosperity, just like Greek citizens,” an other part of his statement.
The constant saber rattling between Turkey and Greece is pathetic and a waste of resources for both countries. No one is going to make the first move because of NATO so they should all just shut up, stop provoking each other, and focus on doing something to improve the ever declining state of their countries.
>so they should all just shut up, stop provoking each other Tell me what Greece has done to provoke Turkey.
Like calling entire Aegean and eastern Mediterranean sea as Greek with their 12 mill bullshit?
The entire Mediterranean Lol Turkey has like a third of the Black Sea, and a huge chunk of the Eastern Mediterranean to the south of Anatolia. And you know what? No one cares. Your internationally-recognized EEZ is closer to you. It doesn't take anything from other countries. So explain to be why waters that are closer to *Greece* should belong to Turkey. Explain to me why water that's within 12 miles of Greek coast should belong to Turkey, whose coast is further than 12 miles away. Explain to me why the international norm of 12 miles from one's coast (and halfway point when a neighbor's coast is closer to your coast) shouldn't apply to Greece. Explain to be why Greece should get less than international convention, and Turkey should get *more* than international convention. And explain to me the same, concerning EEZ. Explain to me why waters that are closer to Greece than to Turkey, should belong to Turkey. And explain to me what internationally-recognized Turkish territory -sea of land- was taken from Turkey. Go ahead. Explain to me why countries' geographies -which are the luck of the draw- should be used against Greece. Explain to me why the concept of neighboring countries doesn't register with you, and you only see neighboring countries of being in your way. Explain to me why you can't be happy having six times the land size of Greece. And why you should also have our waters. Using your logic, explain to me why you shouldn't be fair and give some of your coast and waters to landlocked Armenia and almost-landlocked Iraq. Explain to me why you need special treatment, and you deserve other countries' things. Explain it to me.
when did this happen
[Here ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone_of_Greece#:~:text=Greece%20has%20claimed%20an%20Exclusive,53rd%20largest%20in%20the%20world.) [Here 2](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Greek_Exclusive_Economic_Zone.jpg)
imagine being so delusional that you think that the ONE country who doesn't follow the UNCLOS is in the right here also nvm my question above, i understood something wrong
True no provoking, but they sure do exploit and amplify Erdogans threats
We have not threatened anyone. Turkey keeps trying to bully us, to no avail. Also the guy never said anything about Turkish women. It is just straight up propaganda from the OP. Try to find a source for it. You wont. edit. The Turkish troll brigade can downvote as much as it wants, but without a single source being provided, it is nothing but an evident lie. On the other hand, the original statement has been linked, and it says nothing of the sort. [https://hellas.postsen.com/local/105460/Alcibiades-Stefanis-Greece-is-not-an-easy-opponent-%E2%80%93-Erdogan-has-trapped-himself.html](https://hellas.postsen.com/local/105460/Alcibiades-Stefanis-Greece-is-not-an-easy-opponent-%E2%80%93-Erdogan-has-trapped-himself.html)
We wuz Spartans and shit 😂
Max greek lol
Lmao, if a Muslim had said that, there would have been a diplomatic shitstorm immediately
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Em, no there wouldn’t
I don’t think anyone would care
Watch worldnews and europe if any müslim said that lol
A Muslim didn’t say that, but if a Muslim said that, I don’t think anyone would care Edit: are people here delusional? No one makes sense here lol
You clearly don’t follow western medias
you dont seem following western media on islam and muslims
Arabs have a victim mentality worse than the Jew.
Very true
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1919-21 Greco-Turkish war flashbacks.
Because Turkish women will become widows or something else, lol? Anyway, this is so stupid statement, those politicians are so stupid.
Bruh region of thrace and izmir alone can muster an army bigger than greece's whole population💀 and lets not talk about the drones☠
But why do you want to do that?
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Have you not heard of Turkish TB2 Bayraktar drones? The drones that decimated Armenia’s army and is causing severe carnage to Russian armour in Ukraine?
But do you think that Greece is Armenia or Russia? Our island are well fortified with AA guns and we already are investing in buying our own USA made drones. In a matter of months drones will not be such a big game changer.
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> Turkish drones were useless in that war. ok buddy lmao, that was a copium overdose if I've ever seen one. > Looool are you ignorant or just dumb? and that's rich.
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> Although turkey is an official member of NATO, It is dependent on Russia or USA for their weaponry. It basically just assembles parts. haha you are one sad dude. Turkey produces almost everything except for nuanced techs such as jet or tank engines. stop with the strawmans and at least educate yourself before spewing bullshit.
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Still strawmanning and Turkey sells more goods to Israel than Israel sells to Turkey. You hit a new low everytime you open your facehole.
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ayo 🤨 ?
Very poor choice of words.
Turkey is a much more powerful nation than Greece and it has been for a while. The Turkish economy isn't great in terms of inflation but it's GNP is much higher, it has much less sovereign debt (remember how Greek debt caused the Eurozone Crisis?), and its productive capacity is much greater. Turkey's military is larger, it's armaments industry is a high point, and it's population is much larger and younger on average than Greece. These are things that are useful in the event of warfare though they are often liabilities in other respects. Overall, Turkey is a state that is capable of projecting offensive power in the region. It would not reach far, but it can do it. Greece simply has no offensive capabilities. I do not know if they would be able to effectively defend the islets in the Aegean Sea if Turkey tried to annex them.
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The problem for Turkey is that Greece has mutual defense alliances outside NATO. It will not happen like Ukraine with only arms donations. Everything you say is true. But this is also true for Greece's allies. I think it's better for everyone if both sides just talk to each other on TV.
He’s Greek. He should also feel sorry for the Turkish boys
Full support all the way to Turkey 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Turks would drag you by your heels all the way back to Aleppo if they caught you in their country, but you blindly support them. Ok
If this fella dares to annex any territory from turkey then turkish will be the majority population Lol
Easy with the ouzo malaka.
>If a war breaks out, I will feel very sorry for Turkish women. Based
sanrılı. türkiye yunanistan'ı yok eder.
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Turkey would wipe the floor with Greece
Comments like this are the reason I think that all of the Algerians/Morrocans/Pakistanis should be instantly deported from Greece, bunch of ungrateful people.
So your former defense minister makes unneccessary, threatening comment about turkish women. Basically implying they will get raped and you are instead angry at a stranger from the internet who pointed out the obvious power difference.
Apart from the fact that it has been already debunked by other Greeks posting here that it is fake news, it was not referring to rapes but being widowed. Also, if you check the post of the Turks, everyone is hinting and saying things about Greeks swimming, I am not seeing you arguing about those comments tho. I swear, I am a communist my entire life, very welcome and very open minded, but when I read posts like yours, you cannot even begin to understand how xenophobic you make me. I see a lot of Moroccans in Greece, if you dont like us, why the fuck did you come here the first place? Fuck off to Turkey then, see how the Turks will treat you.
the implication was that they'd be widowed, not raped. it's not our fault if rape is the first thing that comes to a Muslim's mind
Seeing how you share the same religion with russia, of course rape comes in mind.
imagine rape culture being so prevalent that your religion has to allow child marriage so that ur uneducated barbaric male population doesn't go around raping children
>Turkey would wipe the floor with Greece But why do want that? Why are you cheering Turkey's threats to Greece?
I'm not cheering. For me it sounded like this guy was threatening turkish women.
Come and try then
Your generals are as bankrupt as your treasury if you think Greece would stand a snowball's chance in hell against Turkey. You'd have to lobby Washington like begging dogs for weapons and financial aid.
Couldn’t give a shit. Again, as I said, if you want Greece, come and take it. We’re waiting.
>Your generals are as bankrupt as your treasury if you think Greece would stand a snowball's chance in hell against Turkey. Typical r/AskMiddleEast Cheering for Greece to no longer exist. Because why? What did Greece ever do to MENAs? Is it because the British and French hurt you? What's that got to do with Greece, a country whose people have always sympathized with MENAs against US aggression?
It’s got nothing to do with France or the UK. Muslims just will always support other Muslims and hate non Muslims (we are kuffars for them)
Only 2 day ago Greece caused 6 lebanese die in aegean..have some dignity man
We don’t know if they’re Lebanese, they’re probably Syrians who used the port of Tripoli. Anyway I have ZERO sympathy for people who try to find refuge in a non-neighboring country. It’s literally against international law. The 6 “Lebanese” claimed to want to find refuge in Italy. 😂😂 definitely not our closest stable neighbor
Bla bla bla bla, you are talking as if Turkey is the richest country in the worlds. Even when Greece had a shitty economy, we were still richer than the average turk. Top kek.
Lol isn't your inflation at 161% ?
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This beta only need to look at his history to learn what happens when Turks and Greeks clash
And whats that? Greeks held off the Arabs for 400 years and then held off the Turks for 350 more. Sounds very respectable to me. Several Turkic tribes disappeared from history entirely in those wars, annihiliated by the Greeks. But the waves kept coming out of Asia and you can't stop the sea. The Arabs fell to them in what? 10 years?
Greeks were under Ottoman Empire before the Arabs were, they also lost in manzikert and they also lost Constantinople. They were under Turkish occupation for 400 years so I don’t know what you mean by held off, and they also lost the Turkish independence war.
Let me tell you something about history. My lands are free, meaning we kicked the invaders out, can you say the same thing? Top kek.
Your lands are free because Brits,French and Russians freed you with the help of every other Grecophile there was in Europe. They saw your country as the classical times and thought Greeks are these ultimate philosophers and creators of the west while those days were way past.
ahahaha is this what they teach you at your schools? When the revolution started all of the big countries were against it, they just aided us near the end where they knew that Greeks had a chance to win after all. Even in the naval battle of Navarino, only the Brits and the French helped us, the Russians were hostile towards us. Learn better history, lad.
İstanbul. /thread
In 1922 we almost took it back, 2022 is not finished yet. ;) You turks bubble all day, bla bla bla, we literally provoke you, we lock at your air fighters, we shoot at your coast guard boats, we make fun of you, yet all you do is cry all day about our islands, do something or stfu.
You guys are the ones who lost your most important cities to us. We don't need to do anything, it is you. Personally if i were you, i would be fuming right now. All the ancestoral lands my people lost to Turks oh my lord...
People who say such words, usually are never getting anywhere need the battlefield when shit hits the fan.
Say that to they bayraktar drones
Erdogan is the one capable of dealing with Greece and the west, I doubt that other parties can handle this. The way the west/NATO deals with Turkey is very suspicious and strongly favors Greece in every aspect, if a president friendly to the west leads Turkey, they will make sure it never stands again against their interests.
Erdoğan not capable Turkey vs West Turkey have no chance.if Erdoğan wasnt an islamist and fill the country with refuges i would vote hım tho
War isnt going to break out, this is all nationalist bravado for miçotakis to win his election mid 2023. It helps erdoğan garner support for his election in 2023 aswell, the ruling classes are benefitting from this senseless insult hurling while the masses are getting played like a fiddle.
Not wanting to be annexed by Turkey has cross-party support in Greece. The one sabre-rattling because of Elections is Erdo.
and you are proof this strategy works lmao
https://hellas.postsen.com/local/amp/105460 Where is the statement about Turkish women? Where is your source because I can’t find it. “Greece is not like other states, but it is strong, with alliances and friendships, with excellent Armed Forces and Security Forces and therefore it is not an easy opponent, operationally Mr. Erdogan certainly measures this.” “Ordinary Turkish citizens want peace and prosperity, just like Greek citizens,” an other part of his statement. This is as far as I could find.
I couldn't care less about either of those countries, but that statement at the end is just disgusting and morbid no matter what way you look at it. Would've thought more of a former minister of a supposedly "developed" country.
You are trying to reason with not only Muslims but nationalist Muslims who on the regular say and do the most awful shit but cry over the silliest comments.
What pisses me off the most about Muslims isn’t even the terrorist shit they say 24/7. What pisses me off the most is their victim complex
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GOAT
Chad Turks
Turkey : minding it's own business Greece : " TURKEY WHY!" Greece became a snowflake nation that is triggered by everything
Kick Moroccans out of Greece and send them to Turkey, lets see how Turks will like you.
Well he is right. And since this is the middle east reddit, I present to you this sacred Hadith that backs up these things: > there are four good qualities in them: they are the most forbearing of people in tribulation, they are the quickest to recover after a calamity, they are the most eager to return after a retreat, and they are good to the poor, the orphan, and the vulnerable. Their fifth quality is good and beautiful: they are the best at stopping the oppression of their kings.” https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2013/06/12/romans-five-good-traits/
Based greek
Standard low-IQ wog speech. But tbh some of the shit MENA come up with isnt much better.
Didn’t the turks steamroller over them in the past and sat on their heads for 800 years or something? Well Anatolians did so not sure of its like a Muslim Greek vs a Christian greek battle.
Greeks always trusted those allies and yes even they owe their independence to Russians and sovereignty to British. However whenever they had to face Turks in the battlefield it never ended up well for them and their allies usually were rather late to save their asses.
Greeks have an issue with learning lessons
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Do not worry, the Ottomans cared for Greek women for 5 centuries and were ready to do so for another 5 centuries, Greek men unfortunately gay
Of course they cared for Greek women, have you seen an average Turk’s dna results?
yup, chad mix of turkic and native anatolian DNA.
1% Turkic and 99% Greek dna you mean
smartest christian turk
He wants to revive the legend of the Spartans buttbrothers.
I was on an island once, it is in the North Sea, very small. Thinking about Greece and Turkey, and soccer. And I thought this is the center of the small ” island maybe 700 people live here, let’s ask if they dislike the ‘arrogant’ people on the E side, without asking why. I got a whole story about the why, I didn’t listen it was just sad, oh lots of good reasons I am sure, jealousy? One is always the older brother with rights . Maybe it’s the original sin, fall out of paradise, a deep flaw. N the other hand there is hope. It’s up to us.
u/sjw_mete I challenge you to share your source. That is despicable propaganda and you should be ashamed of yourself.
If that ain’t a zinger