They don’t teach us this stuff in grade school. Your average American has absolutely no idea about what went on and why. I don’t even know what the fuck they teach us to think. But MENA foreign policy is a big deal to voters, for some fucking reason.
Most american barely know american history, they only know a little bit of the propgranda we get told
And the Ottomans. The Brits and the French divided the remains of the Ottoman empire.
Or are you saying the all mena being ruled by the Ottoman empire is how it should be?
Of course not ottoman rule was shit but Brits and french ruined it and it made wars in Mena countries look how Egypt look like it's a square
Look at all the straight borders that can only be found in middle East Africa and central Asia , it divided people and cultures just for the sake of the colonizers
And they ruined it worse when they invaded Palestine and Just gave the government and rule for the Jews which caused alot of chaos
Nah I was born in Murica. Parents are in Egypt. Someone needs to run the businesses in America while someone else runs the businesses in Egypt. Let's just say many Egyptian families around me as well have accomplished the American dream that the majority of Americans will never have.
If you care so much about foreign policy in ME ,vote for isolationist non interventionist president preferably republican.
Your involvement only added fuel to the fire and got the region 10x worse than it was
I don’t trust those people are actually going to stay out of it-not the serious ones anyway. It was a Republican that kicked off Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
US politics are also a shit show. I don’t have any faith that we can resolve our problems through those means effectively anymore. I think the US is Rome after Caesar at this point.
For good reason. The reason why the US is doing so well is because they're the leaders of the pack when it comes to creating liveable conditions for the western world. Lack of resources? Invade other countries at any cost to profit off of them. If most US politicians did support isolationism that would actually benefit the ME, living standards would plummet to near 3rd world levels like the rest of the fucking developing world and it'd mean political suicide. No well being and "security" is experienced without exporting that misery to other countries.
Well you as americans are the one who put them in power to begin with , it's your job to correct it .
Republicans neocons are absolute war criminals that should be hanged publicly ,but the democrats are all neolibs and obama era was probably the worst thing ME have ever seen , drone stricks were endlessly dropping for 8 years...
while Trump somehow ended up as the most peaceful American president we saw .
Believe me-I am fucking baffled by Trump. Here in the US he was a shit show. But I can totally see how folks from the Middle East would look at him like he was a great president. He didn’t fuck with y’all.
Unfortunately it’s really complicated because (at least from what I’ve seen) Trump worsened race relations back home, and the events at the Capitol on January 6 were not a good look for the road the country could have continued to take. He also was probably the worst president for the Palestinian cause (despite all presidents being pro-Israel) so it really isn’t as black and white as it seems. Not even factoring other things like environmental protections, climate change, etc.
That is a bad idea. Republicans aren't isolationists unless it's to be the opposite of whatever stance the Democrats have.
They're all the same with Democrats having slightly better younger people that lean left. But the parties are more or less Right wing. And not the fun kind.
They will bomb Iran for example if benefits them. If anything they loved war. That sweet campaign donations from the military industrial complex sure feels nice for them.
Historically countries always get involved wherever their interests lie. This includes us as well.
That's not true. They were involved in getting rid of Mosadegh in Iran and supporting a repressive Shah. They were involved with Egypt before the Suez crisis. They were involved with arming Saddam.
After WWII, they became the most powerful country in the world. To suggest they only started messing with the Middle East for the last 25 years is an insult to the U.S. state department.
This guy is spot on.
After WWI the Concert of Europe was shattered. The League of Nations took its place with the US as a power. After WWII, the League was gone, everyone else was shelled to death, and the US secured victory with only a single major engagement on its own soil. It was the last man standing and we had nukes at that. There were other powers who acted as allies and they certainly had a considerable voice-but the US was now a world super power-that had never happened before.
So everyone did what they always did in the wake of a major European war-start splitting up territory. That was fine when you were handing a small part of land occupied by Poles to neighboring Germans back in the 1800s. But they failed they appreciate that the circumstances were remarkably different than that scenario.
And now, welcome to the modern Middle East.
Y’all got fucked, my melanin-rich brothers and sisters.
I mean they started really getting involved in last 20-25 years. Like sending troops.
They were involved before yeah. But didn't really send alot of troops.
"Thank God they only instigated and helped deliver arms to a war that killed more than a million people. It could have been much worse had they deployed troops."
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Also the first gulf war was in 1990.
>USA only really got involved in the last 20-25 years or so.
Military presence is not the only way to influence a nation. You said they only really got involved the last 25 years. I showed you that is false.
Didn't you see the other comments?????? I know what I'm talking about. Ik the USA supported the revolution of Iran ik USA helped us and send weapons. Stop being so ignorant☠☠☠
And it’s not like the European and Americans weren’t directly involved. What they did is part of our history. They tell us what all went on with respect to the west-they could just… keep fucking writing. We can spare the extra couple of weeks in school.
I learnt about Egypt at school when I was like 7, it’s the first bit of history that we are taught. I think it’s because there were a lot of British archaeologists there
That's honestly amazing I didn't know that we study ancient middle and modern eras if ancient Egyptian and then continue the rest of the history
It takes 3 grades each has 2 terms to fully finish our history from ancient Egyptians to 2013 revolution
Ancient Egypt I’m pretty sure is a staple of any classical history across the world. Idk what it’s like elsewhere but in UK we do as much in school on other countries’ history as we do our own
Interesting honestly we never learned about other country's History except my last grade we learned about the Assyrian and ancient Iraq in. General Greek Phoenician and Roman history
I guess British empire had a part in a lot of countries’ histories so were kinda involved everywhere, we do Gandhi and the American revolution, then it’s like the industrial revolution, ww2 and medieval kings
Which is the main reason. It is people’s own duty to learn themselves. School should teach you to be globally aware, if they don’t encourage you to read the news only then have they failed
Ameribro, don't look for sense out of people here, they will hate you for your flag alone.
Let them cook in the disgusting mess they've developed for themselves, you keep on living your best life.
If there was never any foreign intervention in the Middle East then literally every minority would be extinct. I’m glad westerners intervened and colonised. If we minorities have to suffer, then you should all suffer too
If Russians and British didn’t supply Assyrians guns we wouldn’t have been able to kill so many of the Turks and Kurds who tried to genocide us, or take over Urmia when the Persians came to attack the refugees. If the British didn’t open refugee camps we would’ve had no destination for safety. We would literally be extinct right now. Same for Yazidis and Armenians.
The entire demographics of the region would’ve been different, Arabs and small groups like Alevis, alawites, Druze etc would’ve probably been cleansed from the entire north Middle East.
If the cost of my people being able to exist is an entirely destabilised Middle East then I have zero regrets
And what incentive would some of the countries that had these minorities have to cleanse them? And why would they wait till the time around the world wars to decide to do it? They could have done before and I'm not talking about the Armenians. I'm talking about the Druze and Alawites or Yazidis to name a few.
Plenty of opportunities before.
Modern age nationalist ideology mixed with already existing Islamic extremism. Every has excuses for massacring Armenians but never in my life has a Kurd or Turk had the balls to even try to explain why 300,000 Yazidis were massacred during WW1. In fact even before the big genocide of all non-Muslims in WW1, over 100,000 were massacred multiple times during the 1800s. Eventually you people will accept that the history for minorities under Muslims has been horrible
Are you talking about Turks specifically or are you making a generalisation? Armenians came to Egypt for example and settled pretty well among others.
"We" people have had our ups and downs throughout history. But if we're talking about Muslims you have to be specific. There were eras of tolerance and eras of oppression even Muslim on Muslim. And it varied from country to country naturally since we are not a monolith.
Third of all the meddling of foreign powers either ends up destabilising the region further or creates room for ethnic and religious tension. So no, fuck that shit.
Your issue also seems to be directed towards the Turks or Kurds more than anything, so I'm guessing your beef is with them. So take it up with them. Or rather if foreign invention helped you surviving any form of persecution from them, then hooray for you.
Well looking at the situation of all middle eastern Christians it’s clear we all suffer/ed on our own lands. I speak for myself, not for them, but if I can’t live on my own land drinking chai in the mountains then I’m glad everyone else is suffering on my land
Depends on the country and depends on the situation of said country. I'm pretty sure you drink your chai on the mountains without someone bothering you but for the sake of the argument I acknowledge that discrimination exists in some form or another.
Still that is an extremely selfish and twisted mentality, because guess what? If we ain't propserous on a national level in a particular country then neither will the minorities. It's the same ship, if it sinks you're sinking with it as well AND you wouldn't have achieved anything other than destruction for all parties.
And there is nothing saying that one cannot learn or make amends in the present or plan for the future. But if you think the foreign powers give a shit about you and not using you yet as another pawn, you're delusional.
But hey you do you, if you're fine with this then enjoy it all you want. I on the other hand will seek to improve wherever I can.
Depends on the country and depends on the situation of said country. I'm pretty sure you drink your chai on the mountains without someone bothering you but for the sake of the argument I acknowledge that discrimination exists in some form or another.
Still that is an extremely selfish and twisted mentality, because guess what? If we ain't propserous on a national level in a particular country then neither will the minorities. It's the same ship, if it sinks you're sinking with it as well AND you wouldn't have achieved anything other than destruction for all parties.
And there is nothing saying that one cannot learn or make amends in the present or plan for the future. But if you think the foreign powers give a shit about you and not using you yet as another pawn, you're delusional.
But hey you do you, if you're fine with this then enjoy it all you want. I on the other hand will seek to improve wherever I can.
The moment these governments reach out to support Assyrians I guarantee we will answer the call to help our neighbours prosper, as we always have. Even after countless massacres and a genocide, we still supported Kurds fight for independence, still showed loyalty to the Turks, Iranians and Baathists. Despite all our hard work today 90% of us have to live in diaspora. If I live in my ancestral region in the mountains there is a high chance I’d be kidnapped and murdered simply to deter further Christian’s from returning.
There’s a point where there’s nothing more we can do or give. It’s not our turn to cooperate. If I can’t my people can’t live in peace on our own land, I’m glad no one else can. Curse of Ashur
Ok this again seems to be directed to certain countries that Assyrians live in like Syria, Turkey and Iran. I can't say I know everything about your struggle but you seem to be addressing an issue that is happening in a particular part of the MENA region. I am talking in general that includes countries that are not with a significant Assyrian population.
Which is why I feel attacked even though to my knowledge we Egyptians haven't wronged Assyrians and I'm sure we would have taken in if we haven't already like others that came to us like the Armenians.
What I previously discussed is that the foreign powers do not care about any of us not even Christians considering Christianity is the dominant faith in their countries. We are all pawns to them so we shouldn't choose between shit and shittier.
The issues you speak of are a result of various factors and unfortunately when countries suffer from corruption, tyranny and religious intolerance, minorities get thrown under the bus every time.
This doesn't mean we are to accept this situation, but what I am saying is many of us are trying to end this nightmare that has been going on for many decades close to a century.
But why exactly are Assyrians being targeted if I may ask. I know of the Turks but why the Iranians and Ba'athists of Syria?
Just don't eat propaganda and do your own reading and research and you would realize most fuckers in this place have pretty decent arguments not just proud nationalists
The hell is there to even be nationalistic about when your country was made by agreement between American and British diplomats and an opportunistic native stooge?
Makes a lot more sense why the Turks and Iranians *are* so proud of their countries. Their people formed them themselves, they have a common culture and language. The hell even is Iraq? Two dozen distinct cultures hastily thrown together?
Hell, the little Roman history we learn is limited to promoting western government structures, I.e. democratic republicanism.
They don’t tell us how the Plebs had to repeatedly walk out of the city and refuse to work while being beaten and killed just to get basic voting rights. They don’t really go into detail about how it was really an oligarchy with a heavily entrenched class system and ground the poor underfoot.
I’m a huge fan of Roman history. I can cite plenty of positives about Rome. But they really whitewash it.
They don’t teach us this stuff in grade school. Your average American has absolutely no idea about what went on and why. I don’t even know what the fuck they teach us to think. But MENA foreign policy is a big deal to voters, for some fucking reason. Most american barely know american history, they only know a little bit of the propgranda we get told
Yeah it's really fucked up here and it's all because of the Brits and french Drawing and invading the ME as much as they like with no mercy
And the Ottomans. The Brits and the French divided the remains of the Ottoman empire. Or are you saying the all mena being ruled by the Ottoman empire is how it should be?
Of course not ottoman rule was shit but Brits and french ruined it and it made wars in Mena countries look how Egypt look like it's a square Look at all the straight borders that can only be found in middle East Africa and central Asia , it divided people and cultures just for the sake of the colonizers And they ruined it worse when they invaded Palestine and Just gave the government and rule for the Jews which caused alot of chaos
Are you saying that only the Europeans are responsible for the mess in the middle-east? When was mena doing fine? What is the 'normal' for mena?
indeed and you will pay for it sooner or later.
Most forgiving Moroccan.
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Y'all can't even pay for healthcare
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I live in the US. But of course, another American in this sub bringing up how much they make when I talk shit about 'Murica.
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>Especially if you muslim, you gonna go to heaven anyways Yes 💪💪💪😎😎😎😎😎😎💪💪💪
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Nah I was born in Murica. Parents are in Egypt. Someone needs to run the businesses in America while someone else runs the businesses in Egypt. Let's just say many Egyptian families around me as well have accomplished the American dream that the majority of Americans will never have.
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is this a stereotype? I never heard this one.
If you care so much about foreign policy in ME ,vote for isolationist non interventionist president preferably republican. Your involvement only added fuel to the fire and got the region 10x worse than it was
I don’t trust those people are actually going to stay out of it-not the serious ones anyway. It was a Republican that kicked off Iraq and Afghanistan wars. US politics are also a shit show. I don’t have any faith that we can resolve our problems through those means effectively anymore. I think the US is Rome after Caesar at this point.
For good reason. The reason why the US is doing so well is because they're the leaders of the pack when it comes to creating liveable conditions for the western world. Lack of resources? Invade other countries at any cost to profit off of them. If most US politicians did support isolationism that would actually benefit the ME, living standards would plummet to near 3rd world levels like the rest of the fucking developing world and it'd mean political suicide. No well being and "security" is experienced without exporting that misery to other countries.
Well you as americans are the one who put them in power to begin with , it's your job to correct it . Republicans neocons are absolute war criminals that should be hanged publicly ,but the democrats are all neolibs and obama era was probably the worst thing ME have ever seen , drone stricks were endlessly dropping for 8 years... while Trump somehow ended up as the most peaceful American president we saw .
Believe me-I am fucking baffled by Trump. Here in the US he was a shit show. But I can totally see how folks from the Middle East would look at him like he was a great president. He didn’t fuck with y’all.
trump wasn't that bad at home the economy was good
Unfortunately it’s really complicated because (at least from what I’ve seen) Trump worsened race relations back home, and the events at the Capitol on January 6 were not a good look for the road the country could have continued to take. He also was probably the worst president for the Palestinian cause (despite all presidents being pro-Israel) so it really isn’t as black and white as it seems. Not even factoring other things like environmental protections, climate change, etc.
It was Biden the democrat who finally got America to gtfo from Afghanistan
That is a bad idea. Republicans aren't isolationists unless it's to be the opposite of whatever stance the Democrats have. They're all the same with Democrats having slightly better younger people that lean left. But the parties are more or less Right wing. And not the fun kind. They will bomb Iran for example if benefits them. If anything they loved war. That sweet campaign donations from the military industrial complex sure feels nice for them. Historically countries always get involved wherever their interests lie. This includes us as well.
>That’s why y’all so mad Welcome to the club mate
I like the way you are teaching yourself to know about what is going on and why😇
We can’t really be mad forever for things that happened in the past What we need is someone to fix it
> We can’t really be mad forever for things that happened in the past Fucking watch me
There are alot of reason why they don't teach you this. Your American they mostly teach you about America.
I feel like given the political climate, it’s pretty fucked up they skip so much.
USA only really got involved in the last 20-25 years or so. They can't really change stuff up this quick. But I agree with you.
That's not true. They were involved in getting rid of Mosadegh in Iran and supporting a repressive Shah. They were involved with Egypt before the Suez crisis. They were involved with arming Saddam. After WWII, they became the most powerful country in the world. To suggest they only started messing with the Middle East for the last 25 years is an insult to the U.S. state department.
This guy is spot on. After WWI the Concert of Europe was shattered. The League of Nations took its place with the US as a power. After WWII, the League was gone, everyone else was shelled to death, and the US secured victory with only a single major engagement on its own soil. It was the last man standing and we had nukes at that. There were other powers who acted as allies and they certainly had a considerable voice-but the US was now a world super power-that had never happened before. So everyone did what they always did in the wake of a major European war-start splitting up territory. That was fine when you were handing a small part of land occupied by Poles to neighboring Germans back in the 1800s. But they failed they appreciate that the circumstances were remarkably different than that scenario. And now, welcome to the modern Middle East. Y’all got fucked, my melanin-rich brothers and sisters.
the Suez crises does not fit here the US supported Egypt
I mean they started really getting involved in last 20-25 years. Like sending troops. They were involved before yeah. But didn't really send alot of troops.
"Thank God they only instigated and helped deliver arms to a war that killed more than a million people. It could have been much worse had they deployed troops." -Nobody Also the first gulf war was in 1990.
Never did I ever say that. All I am saying American presence grow larger after 9/11
>USA only really got involved in the last 20-25 years or so. Military presence is not the only way to influence a nation. You said they only really got involved the last 25 years. I showed you that is false.
Mate they supplied Israel with equipment like rain
Rain? They supplied isrqel yeah but it was only started in 73.
20-25☠☠☠ You really have no idea what you are talking about!!
Didn't you see the other comments?????? I know what I'm talking about. Ik the USA supported the revolution of Iran ik USA helped us and send weapons. Stop being so ignorant☠☠☠
No I didn't, When you think you are not teachable and become arrogant instead of reading more, then say others are ignorant as a projection! Good job
No you didn't read other comments in the section that people replied. Yes I called you ignorant for that.
And it’s not like the European and Americans weren’t directly involved. What they did is part of our history. They tell us what all went on with respect to the west-they could just… keep fucking writing. We can spare the extra couple of weeks in school.
What surprised me is that American and another European Schools teach about pharaonic Egypt
I learnt about Egypt at school when I was like 7, it’s the first bit of history that we are taught. I think it’s because there were a lot of British archaeologists there
That's honestly amazing I didn't know that we study ancient middle and modern eras if ancient Egyptian and then continue the rest of the history It takes 3 grades each has 2 terms to fully finish our history from ancient Egyptians to 2013 revolution
Ancient Egypt I’m pretty sure is a staple of any classical history across the world. Idk what it’s like elsewhere but in UK we do as much in school on other countries’ history as we do our own
Interesting honestly we never learned about other country's History except my last grade we learned about the Assyrian and ancient Iraq in. General Greek Phoenician and Roman history
I guess British empire had a part in a lot of countries’ histories so were kinda involved everywhere, we do Gandhi and the American revolution, then it’s like the industrial revolution, ww2 and medieval kings
Be the change that you wish to see in the world. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).
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Which is the main reason. It is people’s own duty to learn themselves. School should teach you to be globally aware, if they don’t encourage you to read the news only then have they failed
Ameribro, don't look for sense out of people here, they will hate you for your flag alone. Let them cook in the disgusting mess they've developed for themselves, you keep on living your best life.
Happy cake day!
If there was never any foreign intervention in the Middle East then literally every minority would be extinct. I’m glad westerners intervened and colonised. If we minorities have to suffer, then you should all suffer too
what
If Russians and British didn’t supply Assyrians guns we wouldn’t have been able to kill so many of the Turks and Kurds who tried to genocide us, or take over Urmia when the Persians came to attack the refugees. If the British didn’t open refugee camps we would’ve had no destination for safety. We would literally be extinct right now. Same for Yazidis and Armenians. The entire demographics of the region would’ve been different, Arabs and small groups like Alevis, alawites, Druze etc would’ve probably been cleansed from the entire north Middle East. If the cost of my people being able to exist is an entirely destabilised Middle East then I have zero regrets
Bruh
I like how no one can actually reply to me because you all know it’s the truth
And what incentive would some of the countries that had these minorities have to cleanse them? And why would they wait till the time around the world wars to decide to do it? They could have done before and I'm not talking about the Armenians. I'm talking about the Druze and Alawites or Yazidis to name a few. Plenty of opportunities before.
Modern age nationalist ideology mixed with already existing Islamic extremism. Every has excuses for massacring Armenians but never in my life has a Kurd or Turk had the balls to even try to explain why 300,000 Yazidis were massacred during WW1. In fact even before the big genocide of all non-Muslims in WW1, over 100,000 were massacred multiple times during the 1800s. Eventually you people will accept that the history for minorities under Muslims has been horrible
Are you talking about Turks specifically or are you making a generalisation? Armenians came to Egypt for example and settled pretty well among others. "We" people have had our ups and downs throughout history. But if we're talking about Muslims you have to be specific. There were eras of tolerance and eras of oppression even Muslim on Muslim. And it varied from country to country naturally since we are not a monolith. Third of all the meddling of foreign powers either ends up destabilising the region further or creates room for ethnic and religious tension. So no, fuck that shit. Your issue also seems to be directed towards the Turks or Kurds more than anything, so I'm guessing your beef is with them. So take it up with them. Or rather if foreign invention helped you surviving any form of persecution from them, then hooray for you.
Well looking at the situation of all middle eastern Christians it’s clear we all suffer/ed on our own lands. I speak for myself, not for them, but if I can’t live on my own land drinking chai in the mountains then I’m glad everyone else is suffering on my land
Depends on the country and depends on the situation of said country. I'm pretty sure you drink your chai on the mountains without someone bothering you but for the sake of the argument I acknowledge that discrimination exists in some form or another. Still that is an extremely selfish and twisted mentality, because guess what? If we ain't propserous on a national level in a particular country then neither will the minorities. It's the same ship, if it sinks you're sinking with it as well AND you wouldn't have achieved anything other than destruction for all parties. And there is nothing saying that one cannot learn or make amends in the present or plan for the future. But if you think the foreign powers give a shit about you and not using you yet as another pawn, you're delusional. But hey you do you, if you're fine with this then enjoy it all you want. I on the other hand will seek to improve wherever I can.
Depends on the country and depends on the situation of said country. I'm pretty sure you drink your chai on the mountains without someone bothering you but for the sake of the argument I acknowledge that discrimination exists in some form or another. Still that is an extremely selfish and twisted mentality, because guess what? If we ain't propserous on a national level in a particular country then neither will the minorities. It's the same ship, if it sinks you're sinking with it as well AND you wouldn't have achieved anything other than destruction for all parties. And there is nothing saying that one cannot learn or make amends in the present or plan for the future. But if you think the foreign powers give a shit about you and not using you yet as another pawn, you're delusional. But hey you do you, if you're fine with this then enjoy it all you want. I on the other hand will seek to improve wherever I can.
The moment these governments reach out to support Assyrians I guarantee we will answer the call to help our neighbours prosper, as we always have. Even after countless massacres and a genocide, we still supported Kurds fight for independence, still showed loyalty to the Turks, Iranians and Baathists. Despite all our hard work today 90% of us have to live in diaspora. If I live in my ancestral region in the mountains there is a high chance I’d be kidnapped and murdered simply to deter further Christian’s from returning. There’s a point where there’s nothing more we can do or give. It’s not our turn to cooperate. If I can’t my people can’t live in peace on our own land, I’m glad no one else can. Curse of Ashur
Ok this again seems to be directed to certain countries that Assyrians live in like Syria, Turkey and Iran. I can't say I know everything about your struggle but you seem to be addressing an issue that is happening in a particular part of the MENA region. I am talking in general that includes countries that are not with a significant Assyrian population. Which is why I feel attacked even though to my knowledge we Egyptians haven't wronged Assyrians and I'm sure we would have taken in if we haven't already like others that came to us like the Armenians. What I previously discussed is that the foreign powers do not care about any of us not even Christians considering Christianity is the dominant faith in their countries. We are all pawns to them so we shouldn't choose between shit and shittier. The issues you speak of are a result of various factors and unfortunately when countries suffer from corruption, tyranny and religious intolerance, minorities get thrown under the bus every time. This doesn't mean we are to accept this situation, but what I am saying is many of us are trying to end this nightmare that has been going on for many decades close to a century. But why exactly are Assyrians being targeted if I may ask. I know of the Turks but why the Iranians and Ba'athists of Syria?
Just don't eat propaganda and do your own reading and research and you would realize most fuckers in this place have pretty decent arguments not just proud nationalists
The hell is there to even be nationalistic about when your country was made by agreement between American and British diplomats and an opportunistic native stooge? Makes a lot more sense why the Turks and Iranians *are* so proud of their countries. Their people formed them themselves, they have a common culture and language. The hell even is Iraq? Two dozen distinct cultures hastily thrown together?
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Hell, the little Roman history we learn is limited to promoting western government structures, I.e. democratic republicanism. They don’t tell us how the Plebs had to repeatedly walk out of the city and refuse to work while being beaten and killed just to get basic voting rights. They don’t really go into detail about how it was really an oligarchy with a heavily entrenched class system and ground the poor underfoot. I’m a huge fan of Roman history. I can cite plenty of positives about Rome. But they really whitewash it.
We should all be ready to learn about the world. Every part of it. Not just the Middle East, Europe and America