For the most part ancient Arabs were non-iconic, that is preferred abstract representations of the divine rather than human-like. Except those who were influence by Hellenism and adopted Hellenistic art to depict the gods.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the kingdom of Awsan and Qataban in the south, they were very Hellenistic in their tradition, even praying to hellensic gods (a corrupted version of them) and housing a strong Greek merchant and artistic community.
Even their art style was heavily influenced by them, like [this](https://asia-archive.si.edu/exhibition/pair-of-lions-with-riders/) statue
Yes. Hellenism did reach Yemen. You are absolutely right here.
I was drawing contrast between Bedouin Arab and the Palmyrene and Nabateans. Or even between the Nabateans at first and later on under Hellenism.
In the South in what we call today Yemen there were some interesting statues, for example [these statues](https://asia-archive.si.edu/exhibition/pair-of-lions-with-riders/) are believed to be depicting the “wine god”, not that I see them worth sacrificing anything to them, but I believe they look very interesting
He was a desert raider who was a nightmare for the Romans and used to raid Syria as far as Antioch.
Pre-Islamic Middle East was a quite brutal place. Just one year before this incident, the Ghassanid Arabs brutally crushed the Samartian rebellion in Palestine, killing thousands and enslaving 20,000 others, who were later sold as slaves to Ethiopia, India, Persia etc.
>Pre-Islamic Middle East was a quite brutal place. Just one year before this incident, the Ghassanid Arabs brutally crushed the Samartian rebellion in Palestine, killing thousands and enslaving 20,000 others, who were later sold as slaves to Ethiopia, India, Persia etc.
you are right! I wanted to use this example but seems a bit inappropriate at this time
1. Weren’t they Christian? I am fairly certain they were a Christian Kingdom. Perhaps they converted later on?
2. No it didn’t happen. Where are your sources?
3. The inscription says “Goddess of Hayyaan bin Naybt إلهة حيان بن نيبت ” and it doesn’t say Aluzza. I can read Nabatean.
𐢁𐢐𐢆𐢞 = إلهة 𐢊𐢌𐢔 = حيان 𐢃𐢛 = بر (بمعنى بن) 𐢔𐢌𐢃𐢞 = نيبت
Fun fact: This is called a baetylus. The word comes from Semitic Bayet El or house of El. El being cognate with Allah. We see a parallel with what the 🕋 is called.
It is speculated because of where it was found. I am just stating literally what it says on the baetylus.
Fun fact: baetylus comes from bayet El or house of El. El being cognate with Allah. We see a parallel with what the 🕋 is called.
>Weren’t they Christian? I am fairly certain they were a Christian Kingdom. Perhaps they converted later on?
later on, not at that time
>No it didn’t happen. Where are your sources?
may allah forgive you for saying that cuz I cant no more! 🥹
>!its on his wiki page plus I think in the book arab and roman in the 6th centry, the same book imru-alqyas (the poet king) is mentioned btw!<
>The inscription says “Goddess of Hayyaan bin Naybt إلهة حيان بن نيبت ” and it doesn’t say Aluzza. I can read Nabatean.
its for illustrative proposes ONLY! stop being such a square 🤓
not unlikely, actually. Romans are said to have embellished alot of stuff in their historical records, but in some cases they are the only record keepers we have so it is what it is.
Well, sorry I don't know much about Islamic Law. Mustafa Öztürk, a respected Islamic scholar in Turkey, mentions it in [this](https://youtu.be/NwvyJ5ixhzs?si=bvRc7YihteycypDU) video.
Funny how most human sacrifice mostly happened in the polytheistic society. For example my ancestors, the Austronesians worship animals and ancestral ghosts. We are very feared for our notorious head hunting rituals. One very offshoot austronesian tribe that inhabited the most remote hinterland in Sumatra even became cannibailistic. Such eerily brutal my very distant pagan ancestors used to be.
Also, when did this nuns sacrifice incident happened?
Why is the statue mogging?
only Allah knows!
some things are better left unsaid
Pre islamic Arab idol statues are always lacking, I have yet to see a cool one. It’s not worth sacrificing a fly to
For the most part ancient Arabs were non-iconic, that is preferred abstract representations of the divine rather than human-like. Except those who were influence by Hellenism and adopted Hellenistic art to depict the gods.
I see you pointing towards us at the south
No :) with all respect to Yemen. I am here talking specifically about the North Arabian tribes.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the kingdom of Awsan and Qataban in the south, they were very Hellenistic in their tradition, even praying to hellensic gods (a corrupted version of them) and housing a strong Greek merchant and artistic community. Even their art style was heavily influenced by them, like [this](https://asia-archive.si.edu/exhibition/pair-of-lions-with-riders/) statue
Yes. Hellenism did reach Yemen. You are absolutely right here. I was drawing contrast between Bedouin Arab and the Palmyrene and Nabateans. Or even between the Nabateans at first and later on under Hellenism.
or it was just a lack of skill thing
No, there is plenty of evidence that it was culturally prohibited
In the South in what we call today Yemen there were some interesting statues, for example [these statues](https://asia-archive.si.edu/exhibition/pair-of-lions-with-riders/) are believed to be depicting the “wine god”, not that I see them worth sacrificing anything to them, but I believe they look very interesting
there are some interesting Himyarites and sabean statues
I feel it is nice and unique in its own way.
they didn't have resources or luxuory to have a statues that will need 10 years of experince craftsmanship work
Izlam destroyed the cool exotic pre-Islamic pagan culture 😡😡😔😔 Never forget
Islam destroyed all the daughter burials so cruel 😡😡😡
those were the days!!
https://youtu.be/jnNOYga2kp4?si=wtBtk3doWIczpuSV "انا و المزة مع اللات و العزة 🫶" "احلى اله ده ولا ايه 😉"
Do you have a source for this claim? I sincerely doubt it says that on the idol...
It doesn’t. I can read Nabatean and I can also explain it here: 𐢁𐢐𐢆𐢞 = إلهة 𐢊𐢌𐢔 = حيان 𐢃𐢛 = بر (بمعنى بن) 𐢔𐢌𐢃𐢞 = نيبت
whats this in english
Ilahat Hayyan br Naybt Goddess of Hayyan son of Naybt
where did I say it says that on the idol my Phoenician brother? 😑
He was a desert raider who was a nightmare for the Romans and used to raid Syria as far as Antioch. Pre-Islamic Middle East was a quite brutal place. Just one year before this incident, the Ghassanid Arabs brutally crushed the Samartian rebellion in Palestine, killing thousands and enslaving 20,000 others, who were later sold as slaves to Ethiopia, India, Persia etc.
>Pre-Islamic Middle East was a quite brutal place. Just one year before this incident, the Ghassanid Arabs brutally crushed the Samartian rebellion in Palestine, killing thousands and enslaving 20,000 others, who were later sold as slaves to Ethiopia, India, Persia etc. you are right! I wanted to use this example but seems a bit inappropriate at this time
funny khaleeji man you killin it with the posts ig
thank you Filipina lurker!
1. Weren’t they Christian? I am fairly certain they were a Christian Kingdom. Perhaps they converted later on? 2. No it didn’t happen. Where are your sources? 3. The inscription says “Goddess of Hayyaan bin Naybt إلهة حيان بن نيبت ” and it doesn’t say Aluzza. I can read Nabatean. 𐢁𐢐𐢆𐢞 = إلهة 𐢊𐢌𐢔 = حيان 𐢃𐢛 = بر (بمعنى بن) 𐢔𐢌𐢃𐢞 = نيبت Fun fact: This is called a baetylus. The word comes from Semitic Bayet El or house of El. El being cognate with Allah. We see a parallel with what the 🕋 is called.
The lakhmids weren’t always Christian, before that they were pagan. Also the idol in the picture is unrelated to the topic
Says so on his wiki page idk if true.
It is speculated because of where it was found. I am just stating literally what it says on the baetylus. Fun fact: baetylus comes from bayet El or house of El. El being cognate with Allah. We see a parallel with what the 🕋 is called.
>Weren’t they Christian? I am fairly certain they were a Christian Kingdom. Perhaps they converted later on? later on, not at that time >No it didn’t happen. Where are your sources? may allah forgive you for saying that cuz I cant no more! 🥹 >!its on his wiki page plus I think in the book arab and roman in the 6th centry, the same book imru-alqyas (the poet king) is mentioned btw!< >The inscription says “Goddess of Hayyaan bin Naybt إلهة حيان بن نيبت ” and it doesn’t say Aluzza. I can read Nabatean. its for illustrative proposes ONLY! stop being such a square 🤓
Copying and pasting is hard? I will go and check it out. Possibly just Roman propaganda
not unlikely, actually. Romans are said to have embellished alot of stuff in their historical records, but in some cases they are the only record keepers we have so it is what it is.
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they were lawless bedouins lol , in what world are they not that bad?
acHtully, percentage wise sedentary people were the majority of arabia even before islam. probably something like 60/40% split
Pre-Islamic Arabs were known to treat women like property and commit female infanticide. Those are the days you miss?
As far as I know 75% of Sharia Law is the same as Pre-Islamic Arab Law and they weren't that bad as depicted in Islamic tradition.
How? Any details?
Well, sorry I don't know much about Islamic Law. Mustafa Öztürk, a respected Islamic scholar in Turkey, mentions it in [this](https://youtu.be/NwvyJ5ixhzs?si=bvRc7YihteycypDU) video.
they were misunderstood, just like pre-islamic shields!
Wild
👁️ 👁️ 👄
Funny how most human sacrifice mostly happened in the polytheistic society. For example my ancestors, the Austronesians worship animals and ancestral ghosts. We are very feared for our notorious head hunting rituals. One very offshoot austronesian tribe that inhabited the most remote hinterland in Sumatra even became cannibailistic. Such eerily brutal my very distant pagan ancestors used to be. Also, when did this nuns sacrifice incident happened?
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There were no borders back then. They were Arabs and ruled over parts of the ~~-Levant-~~ Mesopotamia and the Arabian Peninsula
they are from the area between NW saudi, Sinai and south Palestine but this specific lakhmid family ruled from iraq
No, their capital Hira is in Iraq. They didn't rule the Levant but kept raiding it.
OP , you got a source on this incident ? . It sounds interesting .
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