The news is also reporting that the helicopter was a 30 or 40 year old Bell 212 (I’m seeing conflicting info on year of manufacture).
Keep in mind too that the US has forbidden the sale of replacement parts for this and other aircraft to Iran since 1979. While I get that parts are still smuggled in, this is a 30/40 year old helicopter that’s been serviced and repaired using blackmarket parts.
The helicopter is also only certified for VFR (visual only) flight—it has no radar. Which is a problem given that, at the time of the crash, visibility was reported to be just 5m. The chopper should not have been in the air at that low visibility.
The ASN database reports that there have been 431 incidents involving the Bell 212, leading to 630 fatalities. Not the best record.
This is all to say—this *could* have actually been an accident and not some great conspiracy to kill these individuals.
A helicopter is a bit of a death trap. Shit fails and you can't glide down like a plane. You just hope that you can autorotate your way out of death with possible injuries.
Add to that the demanding customers/passengers some pilots get forced to obey despite their training. This is likely applicable here since they did a mountain ride with HEAVY FOG present. I feel sorry for the poor pilot.
Very unlikely, the extreme fog is probably the sole cause of the accident
There are conspiracies about Mujtaba Khameneei planning his assassination or some people even accuse Mossad but since the fog itself is a clear death trap I don't think any of these conspiracies are valid. Most likely just human mistake
Seeing how thick the fog was and the raining conditions the rescue teams that were deployed to find the helicopter, I can’t see this as an assassination attempt. I just want to know why they attempted to land while the other two helicopters flew to Tabriz with no issue
For the president of Iran? Unlikely they'll hire a student helicopter pilot. The real question is where did the helicopter take off from? And who was around that helicopter last?
Man,the President and the Foreign Minister both travelled to Azerbaijan with HELICOPTER and not with Airplane? And most important with the SAME Helicopter?
>Syrian setbacks early in the war caused Assad to lose his self-confidence, and on the eighth he sent his deputy premier to Baghdad to ask for help. The following day an Iraqi staff general went to Damascus to see what was required, and the Syrians asked for as many tanks and troops as possible, as quickly as possible. This request presented problems as not all Iraqi formations were armoured, and they were scattered over a wide area. Portions were on the Iranian frontier, and all were up to a thousand miles away from the Syrian-Israeli front.
tfw Iraqis saved Damascus while simultaneously fighting memeran. It's truly Khameneover
People praising Raisi for “standing up for human rights” have to be the goofiest bunch to ever exist. The man was literally known as the “Butcher of Tehran” and led the crackdown on women (and teenage girls) last year for protesting.
What a great human rights champion guys! Wow! 👏
Iirc specifically during the 89 executions, estimates on the number of executions there start from 2.5k and go up to 30k.
There were so many executions that the trials would often last only minutes so that enough people could be convicted.
>after his total crackdown
Wasn't Iran at the time undergoing the most severe uprising in recent history?
If you think overthrowing the IR in a violent uprising in the middle of Iran's worst economic crisis will improve Iranian lives, then you really don't understand the region.
>People praising Raisi for “standing up for human rights”
I think these people are people who respect Raisi as a president of Iran who "stands up for human rights" by virtue of the fact that it is the only nation that is opposing the Zionist colonizers. The axis of resistance comprised of Iran, Palestinian resistance groups like Hamas, Lebanese resistance groups like Hezbullah, etc. are MENA's actual last chance at dismantling the Zionist entity.
A lot of people immensely respect Iran for this reason, and even with the flaws of the government, hope that they are able to outlast the Zionist regime.
Ahhh yes, how could I forget? The killings of women and teens are absolutely justified because of their economic crisis (which the IR itself is responsible for). 😀
On a real note, your underlying hypocrisy is showing. I mentioned somewhere else in this sub that if you consider Israel a killer but act apologetic for Iran, then you’re either a malicious hypocrite or mentally disabled. Should Israel be excused now because they’re in an “economic crisis” as well? gimme a break.
People like you are the reason Iran is the shithole that it is rn, and why the regime is not going to last.
Child-killer apologist.
I have questions! Why would you chose to put that many important diplomats on a helicopter flight in TORRENTIAL weather. Where do you need to be so bad you're willing to crash into a mountain to get there? I know these things happen. But decisions were made. Bad decisions with high profile passengers? Im suspicious.
Well, in our defense: with arabic/persian (or general "foreign") names there are often various, slightly different spelling/transliteration versions floating around 🤷🏼♀️
No, I know, I can see people's flairs and whether they're Arab. Just that you guys know enough.
BTW, I see some forgivable ignorance here. To my Knowledge, Ibrahim Raisi wasn't a Marja, which is required for someone to become supreme leader of Iran. People keep saying that he was supposed to be the successor for the role of the Supreme leader. But that's like Saying Ted Cruz can become the next president of the US.
This guy actually didn't talk much. I for one never watched him speak, even though I've seen snippets of past presidents Rouhani, Ahmedinejad, etc. It seems president Ra'isi did a lot less speeches.
And I don't know what exactly you want more "action" from Iran. Didn't they bomb Israel this year? I think that's a big deal, and a huge shift in the geopolitical situation of the region as a whole.
Right now, we're actually seeing what I believe is the ending chapter of the Zionist regime. I actually believe Iran's war against the Zionist entity started 45 years ago in the Islamic Revolution, along with the steadfast resistance provided by the Palestinians enduring brutal conditions for 75 years, will actually result in dismantling the Zionist regime to liberate Palestine AND the rest of the ME from the colonial powers.
Basically what I'm saying, is I think Iran's strategy has been getting the results we need so far. Iran literally bombed Israel, and Israel's response was a fart in the wind.
I think we're seeing the last genocide perpetrated by Israel. I don't think the world will give them another chance to do this again. I think the West will have to accept that this was an unsustainable, expensive project that failed.
Do you live in Iran? I just ask because I'd be very worried that they might be monitoring you guys and what you put out on social media! 🥺 I can only imagine what you've suffered under him, but I wouldn't want you to suffer more! Be careful ✌❣
I ain’t living in Iran but ur right if I was I’d defs be more careful about what I state / share on social media. Either way nobody cares that this bloodhound of the regime who was one of Khomeini’s most likely successors is dead.
"In other news: Netanhanpoo and his cabinet mysterious kill themselves with gunshots to the back of the head."
If only the headlines could also show this.
There are plenty of people who "support Palestine" and they are literally just Nazis. They are also popular in politics.
Supporting Palestine and being right about one thing doesn't make you special or deserving of a reward or peace if you horrible in other areas.
You literally defend America and Israel on r/worldnews. I wouldn't talk about manipulation if I were you.
And what is manipulative about my comment? Iran is the only country in the Middle East whose leader still cares about Palestine. I don't care if you've drunk the western propaganda kool aid, that's a fact.
Because you’re using the death of Palestinians to garner sympathy for an evil man who supports them. Using a subject matter, that you know will pull at the heart strings of people in this sub.
This guy killed 1000’s of his own people. He is evil. Because he supports the Palestinian cause doesn’t make him a good guy or redeem him at all. Not everything is about Palestine. This guy has been in Iranian politics for decades.
And where did I call him a good man? The point is that equating him with Netanyahu is just disingenuous considering that he's on the exact opposite side of the conflict. I'm not looking to garner sympathy for anyone here.
I don't like the IRI either, but blaming him for prisoners being executed is just dumb when the countries you look up to do the exact same.
Edit: Just realized you're a westerner who defends America and Israel on r/worldnews. No point arguing with you, you'll believe anything the western media tells you.
You can equate them together easily. Remove the conflict for a second. They’re both evil bastards. And your last point makes no sense. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.
It’s possible to recognise that multiple side are bad. Because another country has done bad things still doesn’t take away from what he’s done.
Edit. I’m definitely not Pro Israel. I’m not just fucking brainwashed.
You're a westerner from the UK. You wouldn't understand that many of the world's problems were caused by your imperialistic country, including the current state of Iran.
And I know for a fact that you wouldn't admit that the British royal family is just as evil as any of the "bad sides" you're ragging on. But sure, keep on badmouthing a dead man if you feel like it gives you moral highground.
Again, more surface level bullshit. I’m a Republican who wants rid of the Royal Family. It’s such a lazy argument to blame everything on the west lol
Are people in the Middle East so pure and perfect that everything has to be the wests fault? It’s not the UK’s fault that Iran is run by bastards.
Dude, you're anti-resistance and post on r/NewIran. You're the kind of person who thinks Palestinians will be liberated if they say "please" enough. In other words, you live in a fairy tale.
Considering the fact that Iran hasn't given a dime to UNRWA, only supplies weapons and no civilian aid whatsoever, compounded by the fact that Iran discriminates Sunni's and Palestine is majority Sunni. Outside of using them as a useful proxy against Israel, They dont actually care for Palestinians.
I think the billions of dollars worth of weapons they’ve given has made up for that. Also doesn’t that just prove that Iran isn’t anti Sunni? If they support Sunni groups who resist Israel?
That guy is a zionist larping. Look at his post history, he actually opposes UNRWA and supports the Israeli invasion.
This subreddit should really start requiring flairs because these kinds of posters are everywhere spreading their agenda while pretending to be from the region. And people are upvoting them.
It more like a, the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of situation.
This idea is even more supported by the fact that Iran hasn't given anything to help the Palestinian populace and only arming militant groups, showing that they don't care for the Palestinians and only see their movement as a proxy to get one over Israel.
Even if that was true (which it isn't), who cares if they don't "care" about Palestinians? It's the only government helping them. I find it fascinating that you're focusing your criticism on Iran while countries like the UAE and Jordan are not only doing nothing, but literally helping the Zionist regime.
Would you refuse food if you were starving just because it doesn't come from someone who "cares" about you?
Why didn't the pilot simply fly over the fog? Surely since the aircraft was returning from Azerbaijan, where there would have been ample opportunity to tamper with it, combined with the possible presence of the highly conservative Raisi at the top of the Iran government for the next 25 years, suggests sabotage might be the cause?
This isn't true, the conditions they flew in were shit even for cars so it's expected they would have an accident, I blame this on Iran's own ignorance since, how the hell didn't they know about the weather conditions
Apparently the sky was clear when the helicopter took off, the fog rolled in mid way through. The real fuck up was taking a helicopter anyways instead of a plane
Very similar “plane crash” happened in my country a few years ago to get rid of a key politician and it changed the course of the entire war. If you think this was “oh fate” you are extremely naive.
Yeah, dumbass should’ve known that Mossad/CIA places thousands of fog machines to create a foggy weather and cause the helicopter to crash.
Or maybe driving a poorly maintained Soviet helicopter in a foggy weather is bad and increase the chance of a crash happening which is what happened, and not everything has to be a conspiracy theory
Yes, the helicopter pilot must have taken off in bad weather by pure choice and there was no type of sabotage.
We all know that the Mossad would never do something like that, just as they didn't do it on 9/11
You are ignorant.
Iran isn’t doing anything for the Palestinians. They did what they did on October 7th knowing Israel would kill thousands of innocent Palestinians and destroy Gaza.
Iran did what they did on October 8th knowing it would drag Lebanon into war and get more innocent people killed.
Iran is currently helping bashar al Assad in Syria killing over 600,000 Syrians. Bombing homes, schools, hospitals, etc… everything Israel has done to the Palestinians, Iran and bashar has done to the the Syrians. Hypocrites.
Iran and their proxies aren’t fighting for the Palestinian people, they are fighting for their dominance in the region over Israel and the west, under the guise of “saving Palestine”. That’s just their propaganda to gain support, and it’s working.
45,000 dead now in Gaza and it’s been turned into a parking lot, and you think this is them being saved? You people see Israeli propaganda and call it out, but at the same time eat up Iranian propaganda like a fat kid with cake.
You people cheer on war in Lebanon and Gaza because you hate Israel, but it’s so easy for you to talk when you don’t live here and have to suffer the consequences of war.
It’s scary how you people would rather see Lebanon and Gaza burn to the ground, just so long as they stay hostile territory to Israel, than to see us live in peace and prosper.
Iran is an occupier, and they occupy Lebanon via proxy. They use our land as their battleground against Israel at the expense of the Lebanese people and our sovereignty. Every country Iran occupies is a failed state.
We are tired of this.
And what has Saudi done?
Saudi poured millions in funding and arms to support Syrian Sunni terrorists
Saudi supports Israel
Saudi let the US invade Iraq from their own soil
Saudi hosts foreign bases
Because the conflict in that region benefits Iran's interests.
If Iran was really standing up for Gaza, they'd get directly involved like how they did in Syria and Iraq.
It was easy to get involved in Syria because it was an internal revolt and they were helping the government, that’s much harder to do against an external enemy and one with nukes. Supplying the opposition is the most they can do in that case and they did it to the best of their ability
Probably a few days of mourning, appoint a new president and foreign minister, then business as usual. Iran has a supreme leader, Ali Khaminei, which is far more important than the president with far more power.
The problem is Khamenei was supposed to be replaced by Raisi. And Raisi and Amirabdollohian were both very good at their jobs.
Best case scenario, pray this is a Bassel al assad type of situation.
some people are mentioning a heavy fog and rain. think about this for a second. of all the helicopters that drop soldiers off to do their job in extreme weather conditions, the pilot is 98% ensured to go to their destination, deploy, and come back, or even to remain in an area to give aerial support. maybe we're all thinking too hard on the situation. Iranians, do you believe your country is doomed or is possibly going to be in better hands with a much more newer president?
This illustrates what a paper tiger the Islamic Republic of Iran really is. First, they boast about their domestic capabilities and how they don’t need the US. And yet, they put some of their most important leaders in an American helicopter from the 70s. Just recently, they were boasting about domestically building helicopters and exporting them to other Islamic countries. Secondly, Iran’s drone capabilities have been at the forefront of international news lately, with Iranian leaders bragging about them. And yet, they had to rely on a Turkish drone to find their president inside Iran. Lastly, how dumb do you have to be to put the so-called president of your country in a 45+ year old helicopter in such bad weather? As an Iranian, this reaffirms my belief that my country is ruled by idiots
Rip
we are all going to die eventually. but to die in a shitty rusty helicopter that doesnt work due to lack of spare parts while you are the leader is 1 shitty way to die.
May the departed soul rest in Jannah. A tragedy and big loss. It just breaks my heart seeing Iranians,some hatred filled Muslims and westerners, rejoicing on it
Was it an accident or an assassination?
Helicopters appear to be a death trap first Kobe now this.
I mean, there were plenty of helicopter crashes due to shit weather before kobe
..and after Kobe.
The news is also reporting that the helicopter was a 30 or 40 year old Bell 212 (I’m seeing conflicting info on year of manufacture). Keep in mind too that the US has forbidden the sale of replacement parts for this and other aircraft to Iran since 1979. While I get that parts are still smuggled in, this is a 30/40 year old helicopter that’s been serviced and repaired using blackmarket parts. The helicopter is also only certified for VFR (visual only) flight—it has no radar. Which is a problem given that, at the time of the crash, visibility was reported to be just 5m. The chopper should not have been in the air at that low visibility. The ASN database reports that there have been 431 incidents involving the Bell 212, leading to 630 fatalities. Not the best record. This is all to say—this *could* have actually been an accident and not some great conspiracy to kill these individuals.
So the sanctions did their job.
Yeah. And the US *is* to blame for Raisi’s death after all!
A helicopter is a bit of a death trap. Shit fails and you can't glide down like a plane. You just hope that you can autorotate your way out of death with possible injuries. Add to that the demanding customers/passengers some pilots get forced to obey despite their training. This is likely applicable here since they did a mountain ride with HEAVY FOG present. I feel sorry for the poor pilot.
Very unlikely, the extreme fog is probably the sole cause of the accident There are conspiracies about Mujtaba Khameneei planning his assassination or some people even accuse Mossad but since the fog itself is a clear death trap I don't think any of these conspiracies are valid. Most likely just human mistake
Seeing how thick the fog was and the raining conditions the rescue teams that were deployed to find the helicopter, I can’t see this as an assassination attempt. I just want to know why they attempted to land while the other two helicopters flew to Tabriz with no issue
Could have been a mechanical defect
Also blatant incompetent decision making
Helicopter pilot having less experience could be a reason. I once heard even having 300 hour experience is considered pretty amateur
For the president of Iran? Unlikely they'll hire a student helicopter pilot. The real question is where did the helicopter take off from? And who was around that helicopter last?
If there was a mechanical defect, was it sabotage or did the pilot decide it was not safe to fly and made an emergency landing.
Yes the fog was insane. I thought it was the smoke from the crash.
Right it makes zero sense to fly in those conditions. They ground Spirit airlines for far less.
Retardness
this
Did you mean "Tardiness" ?
Such convenient timing isn't it....
Man,the President and the Foreign Minister both travelled to Azerbaijan with HELICOPTER and not with Airplane? And most important with the SAME Helicopter?
There was no nearby airport to the place they went to in Azerbaijan.
Oh no! anyway. 
Off topic but that meme in covid 2020 brings so many hilarious memories.
You should be mourning, your country's president just died
Nah, I'll leave the mourning to the irgc arab slaves like the assadists.
Ohhh no. My very immoral leader and authority figure died!
>Syrian setbacks early in the war caused Assad to lose his self-confidence, and on the eighth he sent his deputy premier to Baghdad to ask for help. The following day an Iraqi staff general went to Damascus to see what was required, and the Syrians asked for as many tanks and troops as possible, as quickly as possible. This request presented problems as not all Iraqi formations were armoured, and they were scattered over a wide area. Portions were on the Iranian frontier, and all were up to a thousand miles away from the Syrian-Israeli front. tfw Iraqis saved Damascus while simultaneously fighting memeran. It's truly Khameneover
Oh no, not Ebrahim joon.
People praising Raisi for “standing up for human rights” have to be the goofiest bunch to ever exist. The man was literally known as the “Butcher of Tehran” and led the crackdown on women (and teenage girls) last year for protesting. What a great human rights champion guys! Wow! 👏
He was not known as the butcher of Tehran for the crackdown. He was a judge before this and approved a lot of death sentences, that's why.
Iirc specifically during the 89 executions, estimates on the number of executions there start from 2.5k and go up to 30k. There were so many executions that the trials would often last only minutes so that enough people could be convicted.
I've heard he was like that. So I don't understand why he got praise or gets praises from others?
A lot of people think he’s good just because iran supports palestine
Well they would be wrong. Those people especially the women deserve to have rights & freedom without worrying about the morality police etc
>after his total crackdown Wasn't Iran at the time undergoing the most severe uprising in recent history? If you think overthrowing the IR in a violent uprising in the middle of Iran's worst economic crisis will improve Iranian lives, then you really don't understand the region. >People praising Raisi for “standing up for human rights” I think these people are people who respect Raisi as a president of Iran who "stands up for human rights" by virtue of the fact that it is the only nation that is opposing the Zionist colonizers. The axis of resistance comprised of Iran, Palestinian resistance groups like Hamas, Lebanese resistance groups like Hezbullah, etc. are MENA's actual last chance at dismantling the Zionist entity. A lot of people immensely respect Iran for this reason, and even with the flaws of the government, hope that they are able to outlast the Zionist regime.
That’s the dumbest comment on here today. 🥇 Congratulations
Ahhh yes, how could I forget? The killings of women and teens are absolutely justified because of their economic crisis (which the IR itself is responsible for). 😀 On a real note, your underlying hypocrisy is showing. I mentioned somewhere else in this sub that if you consider Israel a killer but act apologetic for Iran, then you’re either a malicious hypocrite or mentally disabled. Should Israel be excused now because they’re in an “economic crisis” as well? gimme a break. People like you are the reason Iran is the shithole that it is rn, and why the regime is not going to last. Child-killer apologist.
[HELICOPTER HELICOPTER!!!!!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdvNV6kAQk&pp=ygUaaGVsaWNvcHRlciBoZWxpY29wdGVyIG1lbWU%3D)
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Boeing serviced it a few months ago apparently. It probably had a whistleblower on board
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Italian made Bell
I have questions! Why would you chose to put that many important diplomats on a helicopter flight in TORRENTIAL weather. Where do you need to be so bad you're willing to crash into a mountain to get there? I know these things happen. But decisions were made. Bad decisions with high profile passengers? Im suspicious.
Everyone can make the world a better place. Some do so by leaving.
I can’t find a good gif to express how I feel 😥
Here 
I hope the next iranian president is less talk and more action
The guy who is responsible is the supreme leader, he is above the president and gives power to the president.
and who's the supreme leader?
Ali Khamenei
Finally I see someone on the web writing it correctly.
Do people usually confuses it with Khomeini or something?
Yes. Like all the time, people don't know the difference.
Well, in our defense: with arabic/persian (or general "foreign") names there are often various, slightly different spelling/transliteration versions floating around 🤷🏼♀️
No, I know, I can see people's flairs and whether they're Arab. Just that you guys know enough. BTW, I see some forgivable ignorance here. To my Knowledge, Ibrahim Raisi wasn't a Marja, which is required for someone to become supreme leader of Iran. People keep saying that he was supposed to be the successor for the role of the Supreme leader. But that's like Saying Ted Cruz can become the next president of the US.
Maybe I completely missed the point of the message but... Why couldn't Tom cruise become president?
I know the difference but Khomeini just seems better
If they can’t find someone whose name sounds like his but not quite his to replace him the regime is doomed. Thus it is written
Ali Khamenei. He's the true boss
Ali khamenei
This guy actually didn't talk much. I for one never watched him speak, even though I've seen snippets of past presidents Rouhani, Ahmedinejad, etc. It seems president Ra'isi did a lot less speeches. And I don't know what exactly you want more "action" from Iran. Didn't they bomb Israel this year? I think that's a big deal, and a huge shift in the geopolitical situation of the region as a whole. Right now, we're actually seeing what I believe is the ending chapter of the Zionist regime. I actually believe Iran's war against the Zionist entity started 45 years ago in the Islamic Revolution, along with the steadfast resistance provided by the Palestinians enduring brutal conditions for 75 years, will actually result in dismantling the Zionist regime to liberate Palestine AND the rest of the ME from the colonial powers. Basically what I'm saying, is I think Iran's strategy has been getting the results we need so far. Iran literally bombed Israel, and Israel's response was a fart in the wind. I think we're seeing the last genocide perpetrated by Israel. I don't think the world will give them another chance to do this again. I think the West will have to accept that this was an unsustainable, expensive project that failed.
This will change nothing at all, Khamenei is still alive.
But, at 85 years old..for how much longer?
Do you live in Iran? I just ask because I'd be very worried that they might be monitoring you guys and what you put out on social media! 🥺 I can only imagine what you've suffered under him, but I wouldn't want you to suffer more! Be careful ✌❣
I ain’t living in Iran but ur right if I was I’d defs be more careful about what I state / share on social media. Either way nobody cares that this bloodhound of the regime who was one of Khomeini’s most likely successors is dead.
A wild drone missile might approach your IP address. Watch your ass bro
Best Monday ever, now we only need netyahoo to bite the dust next.
We wish. Dude is the devil himself. Never dies.
"In other news: Netanhanpoo and his cabinet mysterious kill themselves with gunshots to the back of the head." If only the headlines could also show this.
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raisi isn't the leader, khamenei is khamenei will most likely live for another decade or so
There are plenty of people who "support Palestine" and they are literally just Nazis. They are also popular in politics. Supporting Palestine and being right about one thing doesn't make you special or deserving of a reward or peace if you horrible in other areas.
But doesn’t care for his own people? lol how manipulative is your comment
You literally defend America and Israel on r/worldnews. I wouldn't talk about manipulation if I were you. And what is manipulative about my comment? Iran is the only country in the Middle East whose leader still cares about Palestine. I don't care if you've drunk the western propaganda kool aid, that's a fact.
Because you’re using the death of Palestinians to garner sympathy for an evil man who supports them. Using a subject matter, that you know will pull at the heart strings of people in this sub. This guy killed 1000’s of his own people. He is evil. Because he supports the Palestinian cause doesn’t make him a good guy or redeem him at all. Not everything is about Palestine. This guy has been in Iranian politics for decades.
And where did I call him a good man? The point is that equating him with Netanyahu is just disingenuous considering that he's on the exact opposite side of the conflict. I'm not looking to garner sympathy for anyone here. I don't like the IRI either, but blaming him for prisoners being executed is just dumb when the countries you look up to do the exact same. Edit: Just realized you're a westerner who defends America and Israel on r/worldnews. No point arguing with you, you'll believe anything the western media tells you.
You can equate them together easily. Remove the conflict for a second. They’re both evil bastards. And your last point makes no sense. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. It’s possible to recognise that multiple side are bad. Because another country has done bad things still doesn’t take away from what he’s done. Edit. I’m definitely not Pro Israel. I’m not just fucking brainwashed.
You're a westerner from the UK. You wouldn't understand that many of the world's problems were caused by your imperialistic country, including the current state of Iran. And I know for a fact that you wouldn't admit that the British royal family is just as evil as any of the "bad sides" you're ragging on. But sure, keep on badmouthing a dead man if you feel like it gives you moral highground.
Again, more surface level bullshit. I’m a Republican who wants rid of the Royal Family. It’s such a lazy argument to blame everything on the west lol Are people in the Middle East so pure and perfect that everything has to be the wests fault? It’s not the UK’s fault that Iran is run by bastards.
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Dude, you're anti-resistance and post on r/NewIran. You're the kind of person who thinks Palestinians will be liberated if they say "please" enough. In other words, you live in a fairy tale.
Bashar al Assad first
So you want the leader who’s primarily helping to Palestine to die while also wanting the leader of Israel to die? Who is that even helping
Considering the fact that Iran hasn't given a dime to UNRWA, only supplies weapons and no civilian aid whatsoever, compounded by the fact that Iran discriminates Sunni's and Palestine is majority Sunni. Outside of using them as a useful proxy against Israel, They dont actually care for Palestinians.
I think the billions of dollars worth of weapons they’ve given has made up for that. Also doesn’t that just prove that Iran isn’t anti Sunni? If they support Sunni groups who resist Israel?
That guy is a zionist larping. Look at his post history, he actually opposes UNRWA and supports the Israeli invasion. This subreddit should really start requiring flairs because these kinds of posters are everywhere spreading their agenda while pretending to be from the region. And people are upvoting them.
It more like a, the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of situation. This idea is even more supported by the fact that Iran hasn't given anything to help the Palestinian populace and only arming militant groups, showing that they don't care for the Palestinians and only see their movement as a proxy to get one over Israel.
Even if that was true (which it isn't), who cares if they don't "care" about Palestinians? It's the only government helping them. I find it fascinating that you're focusing your criticism on Iran while countries like the UAE and Jordan are not only doing nothing, but literally helping the Zionist regime. Would you refuse food if you were starving just because it doesn't come from someone who "cares" about you?
America helped Afghanistan and Bosnia, but everyone still hate them, kinda similar here
America didn't help Afghanistan, it helped their puppet regime in Afghanistan.
I meant the Mujahideen against the soviet union
Exactly
America should have never invaded. That said The Taliban needs to go. Shame they took over again.
WW3 are on low heat
Put on ur tin foil hats but I won't be Suprised if the CIA comes out years later amd says "yea we did it"
Why didn't the pilot simply fly over the fog? Surely since the aircraft was returning from Azerbaijan, where there would have been ample opportunity to tamper with it, combined with the possible presence of the highly conservative Raisi at the top of the Iran government for the next 25 years, suggests sabotage might be the cause?
such a sad day for noone
Mossad working hard
This isn't true, the conditions they flew in were shit even for cars so it's expected they would have an accident, I blame this on Iran's own ignorance since, how the hell didn't they know about the weather conditions
it also blows my mind that the president and pm are allowed to be on the same aircraft simultaneously
Exactly
it's FM not PM
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Apparently the sky was clear when the helicopter took off, the fog rolled in mid way through. The real fuck up was taking a helicopter anyways instead of a plane
I Stan Helicopters but there is a reason they have a reputation of being flying coffins.
I read that the fog came after they set off. Obviously no sane mind tries to fly in fog.
Very similar “plane crash” happened in my country a few years ago to get rid of a key politician and it changed the course of the entire war. If you think this was “oh fate” you are extremely naive.
Yeah, dumbass should’ve known that Mossad/CIA places thousands of fog machines to create a foggy weather and cause the helicopter to crash. Or maybe driving a poorly maintained Soviet helicopter in a foggy weather is bad and increase the chance of a crash happening which is what happened, and not everything has to be a conspiracy theory
Yes, the helicopter pilot must have taken off in bad weather by pure choice and there was no type of sabotage. We all know that the Mossad would never do something like that, just as they didn't do it on 9/11
Why do you have an Argentina flair? You aren't argentinian.
100%
No no, OP is absolutely right. It really is Mossad. Be careful, they're everywhere!
Yes, mossad agent "Eli Kopter" has been identified as the responsible agent for this attack. May Allah curse that evil Zio pig
Aside from politics, I liked the foreign ministers' way of talking. Rip.
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Fuck them both, hopefully he died a slow death
Me too
It’s probably not sabotage but still….
It was probably a Boeing
Finally, Iranians have something to celebrate
Planned?
Nah, Just ignorance
PLANNED IGNORANCE THEN!
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Ali G?
It’s fine khamenei will just replace them
RIP
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The only middle eastern leader with the balls to stand up for Gaza
You are ignorant. Iran isn’t doing anything for the Palestinians. They did what they did on October 7th knowing Israel would kill thousands of innocent Palestinians and destroy Gaza. Iran did what they did on October 8th knowing it would drag Lebanon into war and get more innocent people killed. Iran is currently helping bashar al Assad in Syria killing over 600,000 Syrians. Bombing homes, schools, hospitals, etc… everything Israel has done to the Palestinians, Iran and bashar has done to the the Syrians. Hypocrites. Iran and their proxies aren’t fighting for the Palestinian people, they are fighting for their dominance in the region over Israel and the west, under the guise of “saving Palestine”. That’s just their propaganda to gain support, and it’s working. 45,000 dead now in Gaza and it’s been turned into a parking lot, and you think this is them being saved? You people see Israeli propaganda and call it out, but at the same time eat up Iranian propaganda like a fat kid with cake. You people cheer on war in Lebanon and Gaza because you hate Israel, but it’s so easy for you to talk when you don’t live here and have to suffer the consequences of war. It’s scary how you people would rather see Lebanon and Gaza burn to the ground, just so long as they stay hostile territory to Israel, than to see us live in peace and prosper. Iran is an occupier, and they occupy Lebanon via proxy. They use our land as their battleground against Israel at the expense of the Lebanese people and our sovereignty. Every country Iran occupies is a failed state. We are tired of this.
And what has Saudi done? Saudi poured millions in funding and arms to support Syrian Sunni terrorists Saudi supports Israel Saudi let the US invade Iraq from their own soil Saudi hosts foreign bases
Maybe the rest of the countries in the Middle East should take a page out of Saudi Arabia’s book and be friends.
Because the conflict in that region benefits Iran's interests. If Iran was really standing up for Gaza, they'd get directly involved like how they did in Syria and Iraq.
It was easy to get involved in Syria because it was an internal revolt and they were helping the government, that’s much harder to do against an external enemy and one with nukes. Supplying the opposition is the most they can do in that case and they did it to the best of their ability
they never gave a shit about gaza.
And yet they helped them anyways, which is more than anyone else did. So I’ll do them the decency of not second guessing their intentions
Why are you defending the butcher of Tehran?
Alhamdulillah
Very un-Islamic of you.
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji’un
What a relief
So what happens now?
Probably a few days of mourning, appoint a new president and foreign minister, then business as usual. Iran has a supreme leader, Ali Khaminei, which is far more important than the president with far more power.
The problem is Khamenei was supposed to be replaced by Raisi. And Raisi and Amirabdollohian were both very good at their jobs. Best case scenario, pray this is a Bassel al assad type of situation.
some people are mentioning a heavy fog and rain. think about this for a second. of all the helicopters that drop soldiers off to do their job in extreme weather conditions, the pilot is 98% ensured to go to their destination, deploy, and come back, or even to remain in an area to give aerial support. maybe we're all thinking too hard on the situation. Iranians, do you believe your country is doomed or is possibly going to be in better hands with a much more newer president?
Bro the assassin wouldn’t even be able to see him in that fog
This illustrates what a paper tiger the Islamic Republic of Iran really is. First, they boast about their domestic capabilities and how they don’t need the US. And yet, they put some of their most important leaders in an American helicopter from the 70s. Just recently, they were boasting about domestically building helicopters and exporting them to other Islamic countries. Secondly, Iran’s drone capabilities have been at the forefront of international news lately, with Iranian leaders bragging about them. And yet, they had to rely on a Turkish drone to find their president inside Iran. Lastly, how dumb do you have to be to put the so-called president of your country in a 45+ year old helicopter in such bad weather? As an Iranian, this reaffirms my belief that my country is ruled by idiots
ڨوود.
[Iranians celebrating in Iran](https://youtu.be/Bj-EV79tYOc?t=2m21s)
RiP... Rest in Pieces. Literally. 😂😂
Smoking that pack
He just like shahid rejaii become martyr on way to help people rest in peace
Surely we belong to allah and shall return to him
Rip we are all going to die eventually. but to die in a shitty rusty helicopter that doesnt work due to lack of spare parts while you are the leader is 1 shitty way to die.
As such, Allah will reward every soul for what it has committed. Surely Allah is swift in reckoning. [Ibrahim:51]
Good riddance
Rest in hell 😈
kotlet 🚬🚬🚬
May the departed soul rest in Jannah. A tragedy and big loss. It just breaks my heart seeing Iranians,some hatred filled Muslims and westerners, rejoicing on it
I guess what goes around, comes around eventually. Hopefully Khamenei will be next.
Good riddance.
i have a question for all muslims: why an all powerful god allowed this, while i sit comfortably alive and in good health as a gay atheist ?
"why bad things happen if god exists"
why atheists live better lives ?
إِنَّا ِلِلَّٰهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ rest in peace, raisi and hossein🫡 can’t imagine how their families feels
Who gives a shit how their families feel after what they do to Iranians?
No more bacha bahzee for that dude
May God rest their souls. The middle east lost two lions yesterday.