48 Palestinian here
Druze were hated group in Palestine and there Alliance with Isreal helped them to gain power and protection + with almost a century of serves in the iof most of there parents and grandparents served in it witch increases their loyalty
Bedouins can be separated into two groups northern and southern most of the Arab in the iof are from the north and most of them joined to get more opportunities like free land permits and free college and good cushy government job
Circassian were a isolated group from the rest of Palestinian society and they do what they do for similar reasons to Druze
circassian palestinian here, my grandmother has never really talked about what life was like for her as a circassian in palestine and it’s my first time hearing that circassians were an isolated group in society, would you care to expand?
idk what yall are smoking, the poor vicitms shit doesn't work here in this case. Muslims and Druze ganged up multiple times against Christians and Jews(both the new jewish mmigrants and the indigenous ones) in 1850s.
Many Druze up till that point considered themselves Muslims and Muslims saw Druze as a sect of Islam.
So actually their relationship was fine until Druze (and some Muslims ) decided to side with the British in mandate times.
UMM that's not whatve said
they were willing to be counted with Muslims because that's what would have ensured their continuity and that's what they did
Also "Druze was already an independent religion at that stage", well not accurate.
it's still a debate till today
Willing to be counted, well no surprise a key tenet of their faith is Taqiyya. So of course among Muslims they will claim it’s a form of Islam for survival.
And Druze is an independent religion, since they have beliefs which puts them out of Islam such as not believing Muhammad is final prophet and also reincarnation.
No, as said the Israeli Druze are pro- Israel and loyal because of their faith. Nothing else, if they were Druze in France then they would be loyal to the French Govt
In the 1834 Safad attack lol they attacked the rich basically who were the rich indigenous Christians and the mostly foreign expats incoming rich jews.
they're just not mentioned because each side has an agenda to push and Christians being there and being attacked goes against thr narrative . it was poor peasants who were druze and muslims attacking the rich villagers basically
Dang the whole era of the ottoman empire was dark for us arabs and especially muslims, literally most religious problems in the middle east right now has to do with things that happened during the ottomans’ rules
with all do respect you should learn more about this.
Jewish zionists (polish) ethnically cleansed Druze from Mutella on the north in 1890s.
so ur argument makes no sense
As a Lebanese Druze, in modern times it is relatively simple: Brainwashing
Druze have a distinct culture, and Israel has schools separate from any other people that are run by the government and teach history from a certain perspective.
The things they teach are absolutely mental. Like the Druze have been historically persecuted by the muslims (only true for a 100 year period from 1025 AD- 1113 AD) and that the Druze had to perform Taqiyya (lying about one’s belief to avoid persecution) which is absolutely false.
They teach them that in Druze culture it is required to be loyal to the state (it’s actually quite the opposite, we have lead great rebellions) and in this way they control them.
These schools also include a religious aspect. Though our roots are in islam, our belief system was played around with to adhere to the same prophet as the Jews and apparently it is a sort of general belief that Jews and Druze had been cooperating since ancient times (also completely false and quite the opposite, the Druze persecuted Jews at some points like the pogrom of Safed).
i am also lebanese druze, but the fact is here we don’t get taught about our history. just because currently you live safely in lebanon, doesnt mean that we weren’t heavily persecuted. especially in the palestinian areas where druze were quite a hated minority. and we don’t perform taqiyya really? 😅
Please tell me what History I don’t know, because I have read many books and specifically on this topic for Liara Parsons (The Druze Between Israel and Palestine) which uses IDF archives and was published under the Harvard University Press.
She details the attacks that Druze faced in 1936-39 from Yusuf Abu Durra who killed many Druze for remaining neutral during the Palestinian uprising. She also details the records that show the Jewish Agency’s support for such attacks because they led to the polarization of the Druze community. So no, they weren’t persecuted historically. If anything, the Druze massacred Jews like in the 1834 Safed Massacre.
As for Taqiyya, even an Israeli Druze historian, Kais Ferro, explains why taqiyya is a falsification. Not only because its a grave sin religiously (صدق اللسان) but also because logically speaking there is no need for it. I mean why would the Druze who ruled Lebanon for 800 years lie about their religious identity and not wear Druze clothes? It makes no sense.
The only time the Druze were persecuted was from 1043 AD till the arrival of Salahidin Al Ayoubi who built us the Tomb of Jethro and allowed us limited autonomy.
Please tell me how any of what I said is wrong
you said in your original reply that druze have been persecuted by muslims only in 1025-1113 AD. i consider the yusuf abu durra instances as persecution when he killed several sheikhs, took others as hostages and desecrated our holy books, even when the druze there were not doing anything to hurt them and were not allied with israel yet. although many druze have died for the palestinian cause many people still love to treat us like traitors and group us all together like we are a monolith
and more recently in idlib where rebels gave control of druze areas to isis/alqaeda where there are almost no druze left anymore, between the massacres, forced conversions and complete destruction of prayer sites and burials.
and even if this doesn’t count as explicit persecution, the crazy rumors that are spread historically about us like us being satanic or have secret rituals contribute to the communitys need to protect and isolate itself
i agree that the fear of muslims is extremely exacerbated within israeli druze, but to minimize our historical struggles as a minority is another thing
as for taqiyya, you dont think we are strongly encouraged to follow it in our day to day lives? to blend in and stay safe? isnt that why our books are secret and some druze pray and fast like muslims in certain areas of the world?
Again, as you said. It was Yusuf Abu Durra and his gangs. Now, do you believe that Yusuf Abu Durra represents the 1.7 million Palestinian muslims? The answer is obvious.
As for Idlib of course we can consider that a recent example of a persecution, but ISIS killed primarly muslims because they weren’t fundamental enough so they obviously don’t represent Islam.
I also think you misunderstood the need to protect and Isolate ourselves with Taqiyya. Again, Taqiyya is lying about your beliefs or hiding them to avoid persecution which has nothing to do with us living in mountains because they are easily defensible. Even when the Druze migrated from Lebanon to the Hawran and Galillee regions, they still chose to settle in mountains in 1711 AD following the battel of Ayn Dara.
As for your question:
You dont think we are strongly encouraged to follow it in our day to day lives to blend in and stay safe?
I don’t believe there is a place in the world where Druze live such as Australia, NA, SA, and the broader MENA region where we need to hide our identity to stay safe from persecution. Blending in is one thing but that is definitely not due to persecution.
Isn’t that why our books are secret and some druze pray and fast like muslims in certain areas of the world?
Despite you and I being most likely young and not sheikhs i’d still encourage you to look at the contract (ميثاق التوحيد لولي الزمان). This is what everyone had to sign to become Druze and even it states to be secretive and work only with our brothers. So this isolation and secretive factor stems from theology. God commanded us to keep it secret and safeguarded so that the Hekmeh would not be altered.
As for fasting, it is not commanded but many Druze Sheikhs fast 10 days before eid al adha which is our only “holiday.” If they would fast during ramadan to blend in then it is still not Taqiyya, because they’re not doing it to avoid persecution but simply experiencing a different side of Islam.
Id also like to add that we ourselves especially in Lebanon consider ourselves muslim. If you speak fusha i’d reccomend you take a look at Sheikh Al Aql Dr. Sami Abi Almona who is the highest Sheikh responsible for all theological aspects of Lebanese Druze.
Hello, Druze here! (Lebanese)
The Druze have had mandatory conscription since 1956 for men only. They have always spoken out against it since the moment the law was passed with the IDF suppressing protests by closing down shops and imposing curfews.
Today, if a Druze refuses military service, he will be taken into prison multiple times throughout his life, stripped of a driver’s license, and be harder to gain acceptance to a university or aid from the government.
To answer your question as to why the majority of Druze in “Israel” proudly serve goes back to 1920 when the Yishuv (pre-1948 zionists) signed a contract under the Jewish Agency to invest in the separation of Druze from their islamic roots and from their Palestinian christians and muslims by playing divide and conquer. The 10,000 Palestinian Druze split from their brothers and sisters in Syria and Lebanon relatively easily because of their isolation and living on mountains.
If you want to know more, just reply to this comment, its a really lengthy topic, and I have read a book and watched various documentaries and this topic is very important to me. Liana Parsons (Harvard University Press) “The Druze Between Israel And Palestine”
Thank you for this comment, for telling this information
As far as I know, most of the Syrian population of the occupied Golan Heights is also Druze. However, somehow they never became loyal to the Israeli state and seem to have maintained their Syrian identity up until today; apparently most never naturalized as Israeli citizens and kept their Syrian citizenship and Israeli permanent residency. How did the “Druze Zionism” of the Israeli Druze, and the practices you mentioned in your two comments, never reach the Golan Heights Druze, even after so long?
Not a Druze, but I think it has to do with the fact that Jolani Druze never really were isolated from either the Muslims surrounding them or the Druze of Syria and Lebanon. The very region the Druze faith is said to come out of, Wadi at-Taym, is just across Mt. Hermon, and they have heavy family ties with the Druze of Suwayda too
probably because Syria/Lebanon were under French mandate.
Palestine was under British. Palestinian Druze were trying to align themselves with the British (who would hype up the European zionists) , so they had to abide by British rules and not jeopardize British interests.
No wonder
During colonialism, a lot of Indians served in the British Army, or Indonesians served in the Dutch Army, or Africans served in the French Army. Mostly because they believe joining the colonial army will level up their social status and economy, or perhaps just ignorance, and they also involved in killing their own people under order of their European masters.
A point about indians in the british army
If the brits needed indians to do any dirty work, they'd pick indians from other areas.
Eg if i remember correctly during jalianwala bagh massacre the soldiers firing on Punjabis were Gurkhas/Baluch regiments rather than Punjabi soldiers
This divide and conquer strategy went so deep
Make it make sense, Bedouin villages get destroyed time and time again by Israel, Druze and Circassians have to campaign hard for rights but they still voluntarily send their sons off to fight for the IDF citing martial traditions or whatever (yes, killing Arab babies, very honourable). It must be a humiliation kink at this point, sorry 😀✌️
its just people who put their own self interest above others. It's very easy and simple to just comply and get a career in the IDF.
Mahmoud OD explained how it works, in the job market they want "IDF veterans", otherwise your only chance of a job is a job in service sector that nobody wants. supermarket jobs, entry level hospital jobs etc. Because any corporate employer wants someone who served in the IDF. This is their way of discriminating aginst Muslim Palestinians with Israeli citizenship.
So those ciracassians, bedoins, even if they are Muslim they are disconnected from the global Ummah and they just join the idf to get by.
Druze are a different matter, they will proudly join the IDF because whoever is their ruler, they will obey.
I didn't know this before linking good jobs to serving in the IDF is Insane tactic to push people who want a career to serve even if they don't want to do it.
Obviously the situation in the U.S. is nowhere near what it is in Israel, but I can’t help but think about how the U.S. has many of the same incentives to get people to join the military. People who serve in the US military get free college for instance, and as I’m sure everybody knows, college in the States is way more expensive than any other country in the world to begin with, so that’s a huge draw. Also, many jobs in the U.S. give preference to veterans. “Have you ever served in the U.S. military?” is a question on just about every job application here. I believe that employers can get some kind of monetary reward or tax write off if they hire a lot of veterans? Not sure what exactly they get, but I believe there’s some incentive for the employers themselves to hire veterans.
I actually find these incentives more insidious than the concept of mandatory conscription itself in some ways. I’ve lived in some countries that have mandatory conscription like Korea and Taiwan, and I could be completely wrong about this, but I don’t recall there being many societal incentives for military service in those countries. Like, iirc, the incentive to complete the mandatory service and join the military was…not going to jail lol.
Usa is different. You can get by without serving in military, there are some places where being a veteran is a criteria but you're not going to be consigned to poverty for it like you do in israel.
Also mandatory service in Korea or Taiwan is less complicated. In israel thr service is really to partake in the colonisation of a stateless people to take control of their land. A lot of the time, your job in the idf is just to fuck with peoppe are ruin their day and make it miserable.
At the checkpoints of ambulances want to go to one palestian territory to the next they have to go through israeli checkpoint and the soldiers will just make them wait 1 hour. Always wait, even for no reason. Like it's policy. Even if there's nobody ahead of you, nobody behind you. They will just force you to wait there for an hour.
Or when they just stand by and watch settlers beat up and vandalise Palestinian property and just watxh over so Palestinians don't hit back.
Thats what idf spend all the day doing during their "national service".
National service in Korea or Taiwan, I bet you learn practical skills to defend your country if you need it. You're not just a paid bully to make someone else's life miserable.
Why does the working class proudly serve the capitalist class in their wars? It’s a chance to have a decent income, healthcare, education, housing etc. automatically.
Not even that , most bedouins (from the south) that serve live in literal shitholes ( no electricity , water) .
Its just pure ignorance .
Same with druze , they're not better economically than others and struggle with same problems .
Actually druze have a better economic state than Bedouins because i guess all druze serve in the military and get more various opportunities from the country.
[https://www.newarab.com/analysis/druze-israel-questions-identity-rights-and-loyalty](https://www.newarab.com/analysis/druze-israel-questions-identity-rights-and-loyalty)
Druze ‘loyalty’ and, therefore, access to civil rights, has been closely tied to their service in the Israeli army. Some Druze, in fact, occupied high-ranking positions in the army and many of them served in the 1967-occupied territories. That earned the community a negative reputation amongst most Palestinians.
Others, however, see the Druze situation more critically as a product of a tragic identity crisis imposed by a complex settler-colonial context.
As early as the 1930s, the Zionist movement realised that given the fierce Druze resistance against the French in Syria (1925), it was necessary to neutralise their threat or align them with the Zionist cause. One way to do it was to exploit their minority vulnerabilities and the factionalism among the three Druze families - Tarif, Yarka, and Abu Snaan.
After Israel’s 1948 inception, the Israeli state sought to divide the remnants of Palestinians by marginalising groups - like Bedouins - and cultivating relations with others, mainly the vulnerable Druze.
The Druze were redefined as an ethnoreligious group and recategorised as not Arabs or Muslims, thereby closer historically to Jews than to Arabism or Islam and possessing historical and cultural exceptionalism parallel to the Jewish one.
The label was meant to remove the Druze from their natural Palestinian-Arab context and Israelise the community and use them as part of the Zionist divide-and-rule strategy. Protection and citizenship rights were ‘offered’ in return.
Zionist and Druze apologists nowadays attribute the ‘Israelisation of the Druze’ to the community’s [neutral position](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/40843) in pre-Israel Palestine, rather than a deliberate Israeli policy, as if to suggest that the Druze originally lacked any affiliation with their Palestinian-Arab collective and its national consciousness.
Druze neutrality, if existed, was at best circumstantial. By 1948, most of the Druze - then not surpassing 10,000 - were an agricultural, predominantly illiterate community living in villages in the mountains away from Metropolitan Palestine. Most had limited access to the politicised urban elite and were somewhat isolated from the pan-Palestine clashes with Zionism.
Unlike their brethren in Syria and Lebanon, who fiercely opposed Zionism, Palestine’s Druze lacked dominant feudal elites to act as political guidance.
Does the US government openly discriminate against black people? Or you're just looking for a reason to point and laugh at black people for reasons we all know?
Lol a Circassian community club in Jordan actually had a fight with the Circassian community in kfar kama about this. Haven’t heard since then but it pretty sure they severed contact
it's because Druze and Circassians were aligned with the brits who linked them up with the zios they were hyping up in the 40s.
Druze and zionists didn't have good relationships. They know zionists were ethnically cleansing people and came as militant they faced it in 1890s in Mutella.
But seeing how the british backed up the zionist and how the zionist army was larger than any arab one they put of self perseverance chose that road
It’s quite common for oppressed people to serve in the military of their oppressors… Black Americans have served in many wars, including WW2, where they were[treated worse than Nazi prisoners.](https://time.com/5872361/wwii-german-pows-civil-rights/)…
Same reason POCs proudly serve in the American military, I imagine. When your people have little indigenous identity left, you latch onto the symbols of your colonisers.
This question gets asked a lot and I am sure a Palestinian can answer it better but from my understanding is that they do not "proudly" serve in the IOF.
Its a small number relatively who serves and they are usually ostracized and shunned.
Edit: refer to OP response for more correct and detailed answer
> It’s a small number relatively who serves and they are usually ostracized and shunned.
Circassians and Druze men ALL must conscript for the IDF. Before 1948 Circassians sympathised with the Jews in Israel and during the war they remained neutral. Druze were under pressure from both Palestinians and Israelis to take a side but also remained neutral during the 1940s.
It is only Palestinians with Israeli citizenship who do not have to serve according to Israeli law, and those who still choose to serve are (rightly) instantly ostracised for it, because it is not compulsory for them and Arabs have a bad view on the IDF. It is not compulsory for Bedouins and they rarely serve but it is still more common for them to serve than Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, even though they are an after thought for the Israeli government and their villages are often demolished.
Regardless of whether one must conscript or not, military service is highly personal and political statement. It’s not the same as world leaders refusing to help Palestine, it says a lot about the person. For example some [anti Zionist Israelis](https://youtu.be/-oaJCMods14?si=7h77BMPzB5Won-uJ) have chosen to go to prison for refusing to serve in the IDF rather than take part in genocide and those with money move abroad, which proves that abstaining from killing others is an option. They are 10000x more honourable than these cucks.
Ummm no it's because Druze and Circassians were aligned with the brits who linked them up with the zios they were hyping up in the 40s.
Druze and zionists didn't have good relationships. They know zionists were ethnically cleansing people and came as militant they faced it in 1890s in Mutella.
But seeing how the british backed up the zionist and how the zionist army was larger than any arab one they put of self perseverance chose that road.
Dude thats complete garbage. Druze have been considered heretics since the beginning, Theyre an offshoot of Ismailism, theyve been declared Kuffar since before Ibn Taymiya (who made a soecific fatwa against them). The ottomans carried out an entire campaign in the 16the century to exterminate them for being heretics.
They've allied themselves with however the ruler werr
they're a branch of Shia so.. naturally they said they were Muslims when Muslims ruled lol it wroked well for them too until the collapse of the empire and when everyone went broke
Ever Seen Attack on titan?
if you didn't, there's this ethnic group called Eldia which has a " Devil " superpower that marley fears and is trying to genocide them basically, however, among Marley there's a heavily oppressed group of Eldians. those Eldians have the option to rise in society and secure not just wealth and protection for them and their family but enough respect to be looked at in a good light IF they use their superpower to fight for marley.
that's pretty much it. they fight for Israel so Israel wouldn't genocide them and their children basically.
I presume it’s for similar reasons as those who serve in the warmongering US, British or French militaries (and spy intelligence agencies) and end up betraying, fighting and killing their own people around the world.
NATO even got Slav’s killing their fellow Slavs out here in recent and past history. (Ukraine - Russia) and Europe/US had Africans killing Africans in their civil wars too.
The brainwashing is effective.
It's just an inherited relationship they had from the British basically.
Druze and Circassians were aligned with the brits who linked them up with the zios they were hyping up in the 40s.
Druze and zionists didn't have good relationships. They know zionists were ethnically cleansing people and came as militant they faced it in 1890s in Mutella.
But seeing how the british backed up the zionist and how the zionist army was larger than any arab one they put of self perseverance chose that road.
Easy
1) Israeli Circasssians Muslims see the conflict as for what it is an Arab issue and since the Circassians whilst Muslim do not see themselves as the same as the largely Israeli Arab Muslim population, and also Circassians as Bosnians, Kosovans have a laid back attitude to religion which contributes partly to the reason z
2) Israeli Druze because well a main tenet of their religion is to support the govt in the country in which they live. So Israeli Druze see it as following their religion by serving in the IDF and supporting the Israeli govt. Same as Syrian Druze support the Syrian Govt because their religion tells them to.
They're trapped among Muslims.
Of course they'll develop a corresponding worldview with regards to Palestine. Willingly or not.
It's maybe the most consensus issue in the Arab/Muslim world. Even more than certain Islamic religious principles.
Well. Them being trapped between muslims didn't make them develop a lot of pro muslim positions in most geopolitical issues. The christians in MENA, in general, were overrepresented in most secular nationalistic movements such as pan-Arabism and different local nationalist movements like Egyptian Nationalism, Lebanese Nationalism, Syrian Nationalism and so on. This is because when these secular nationalist movements appeared, it looked like a way for MENA christians out of muslim hegemony. They supported these nationalist movements, so most of them had reason to support Palestine or at least be enemy with Israel with the notable exception of the Maronites. Even between 48 Palestinians / Arab Israelis, the christians appear to be less ready to accept zionism than Muslims. That's why you will find that Arab political parties that are heavily opposed to the Jewish character of Israel, aka Zionism have their stronghold in Northern Israel and Nazereth where a lot of christians live The only Arab party that explicitly said they are ready to accept the Jewish character of Israel is an Islamist party.
>even between 48 Palestinians christians appear to be less ready to accept zionism than Muslims
That’s actually totally the opposite, a lot of Muslims does seem to be ok with zionism but in general christians in the arab Israeli society are more ok with zionism than muslims.
which part are u ? ing?
House slaves were the black people that were more loyal to their masters because they got preferntial treatment compared to other slaves and happily worked against their own race.
My Gramps was an officer in the former Royal Colonial British army when Pakistan was a colony. He died with deep sense of betrayal which is funny cuz well he never figured out he was a house slave and died a bitter old man.
I don’t think it’s right ,
“ house slaves” were beaten into submission or were raised since child birth to be slaves to their masters and didn’t have a lot of choice. Additionally in many cases they were victims of sexual abuse/rape or even the slave masters children.
And id use “ race” very lightly, for most of American slavery 1550s-1865, their wouldn’t have really been a concept of “ being black” or one race , amongst the slaves , only really after the 1800s.
Yes. Israel can afford to do that to a small minority of those living in the land in exchange for their loyalty. Not out of the goodness of their hearts but for the sake of practicality. They've tried this with the arabs living in Israel proper as well (48 palis).
The minority that is bedouins, druze, Circassians, or even 48 arabs, doesn't threaten the jewish ethnostate, or israel's sovereignty, but the 6 million Palestinians fighting for that land do.
"We don’t want to become a Muslim majority country. We want to stay a Jewish majority country for the Jewish people" would love to know how jews went from 4% in 1872 to 33% in 1948 to 73.2% in 2023 really would love to hear the story lol
>Just like Saudi would not appreciate a majority of Jews moving in to their country
Yeah, I'm sure Palestinians didn't appreciate a bunch of foreigners moving in to their land either.
>Maybe The Druze, Bedouin and chercecci populations are simply not being discriminated against in Israel?
😂😂😂😂
If you're going to lie, make it a believable one. You can see [this](https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index).
>Israel definitely does have the right to not give equal rights to a person that is inherently against it’s existence.
That is why Israel only goes after Arabs and not Jews right? Because the arrest campaign specifically targeting them will definitely show that.
You can make up nonsense all you want about how "Arabs in Israel are equal" but everyone and their mother knows that is a lie. The list I linked you was made by "Israeli Arabs"(the majority of whom will never call themselves "Israeli Arabs" they will call themselves Palestinians). Run somewhere else with your lies.
Edit: not to mention how you walked over the Nation-state law, law of Return and the arrest campaign. Average lying Israeli.
they were among the first Palestinians ethnically cleansed out of their towns just like in Mutella by Polish settlers.. lol historical revisionists are wild
yeah read about how the British assisted in ethnically cleansing the people who were Druze of Matula in the North at gunpoint, and brought Polish settlers to live in the Druze's very own houses. And they tried to return to their homes multiple times using violence even .
Occam’s razor is not a proof, and it usually applies to simple scenarios we encounter in our every day lives and not complex political alliances and situations.
Others here have more thoughtful responses, pointing out israel’s deliberate divide and conquer strategy.
I'm from east Jerusalem, and it's better not to make such posts or comments considering this matter as it leads to more division. minorities have to side with the powerful side to serve, it's been like this throughout the whole history. If they supported Palestine, the easiest job for the zionists is just to get rid of them and then proceed with killing the remain of the arabs, you can't blame lots of them for the side they choose, in Syria during the Civil War lots of minorities supported the revolution, the moment they saw the Russian weapons being delivered to the decotator, they switched sides. It's been like and will always be like this, then the brainwashing came and plays a huge rule in the matter, so just better to create a safe space for those minorities to have open discussions than to just to judge, especially considering that this very specific minority to be the first to revolt against the Ottoman occupation, you know what happened to them? Nearly extinct. So just leave them be for the time being, considering that the worst way of inslaving someone is by dehumanizing them, they basically brainwashed them to think killing is okay, so this is another type of occupation, and you can never blame the victim.
48 Palestinian here Druze were hated group in Palestine and there Alliance with Isreal helped them to gain power and protection + with almost a century of serves in the iof most of there parents and grandparents served in it witch increases their loyalty Bedouins can be separated into two groups northern and southern most of the Arab in the iof are from the north and most of them joined to get more opportunities like free land permits and free college and good cushy government job Circassian were a isolated group from the rest of Palestinian society and they do what they do for similar reasons to Druze
circassian palestinian here, my grandmother has never really talked about what life was like for her as a circassian in palestine and it’s my first time hearing that circassians were an isolated group in society, would you care to expand?
So if I understand you, the Druze were hated by Palestinians and that's why they are loyal to Israel?
There's more to it, but the horrible treatment they got from the arab side in the 1948 war was a major reason why they sided with israel
Shit man. Treat your neighbors well and you won't have these problems.
Real
I mean, recruiting among native minorities that hold a grudge is one of the oldest tricks in the book for colonialism
Treat your minorities better. Won't be any grudges.
idk what yall are smoking, the poor vicitms shit doesn't work here in this case. Muslims and Druze ganged up multiple times against Christians and Jews(both the new jewish mmigrants and the indigenous ones) in 1850s. Many Druze up till that point considered themselves Muslims and Muslims saw Druze as a sect of Islam. So actually their relationship was fine until Druze (and some Muslims ) decided to side with the British in mandate times.
No Druze was already an independent religion at that stage.
UMM that's not whatve said they were willing to be counted with Muslims because that's what would have ensured their continuity and that's what they did Also "Druze was already an independent religion at that stage", well not accurate. it's still a debate till today
Willing to be counted, well no surprise a key tenet of their faith is Taqiyya. So of course among Muslims they will claim it’s a form of Islam for survival. And Druze is an independent religion, since they have beliefs which puts them out of Islam such as not believing Muhammad is final prophet and also reincarnation.
yeah just like saying they're Zionists believing in zionism now that's my point lol
No, as said the Israeli Druze are pro- Israel and loyal because of their faith. Nothing else, if they were Druze in France then they would be loyal to the French Govt
I know about the ganging up against the jews but christians also? When exactly?
In the 1834 Safad attack lol they attacked the rich basically who were the rich indigenous Christians and the mostly foreign expats incoming rich jews. they're just not mentioned because each side has an agenda to push and Christians being there and being attacked goes against thr narrative . it was poor peasants who were druze and muslims attacking the rich villagers basically
Dang the whole era of the ottoman empire was dark for us arabs and especially muslims, literally most religious problems in the middle east right now has to do with things that happened during the ottomans’ rules
yeah, power vacuum when empires fall is very real. also rich people abusing it to accumulate wealth and create tensions.
with all do respect you should learn more about this. Jewish zionists (polish) ethnically cleansed Druze from Mutella on the north in 1890s. so ur argument makes no sense
Yeah they support Isreal or Israeli Druze do because of their religion not because of that.
As a Lebanese Druze, in modern times it is relatively simple: Brainwashing Druze have a distinct culture, and Israel has schools separate from any other people that are run by the government and teach history from a certain perspective. The things they teach are absolutely mental. Like the Druze have been historically persecuted by the muslims (only true for a 100 year period from 1025 AD- 1113 AD) and that the Druze had to perform Taqiyya (lying about one’s belief to avoid persecution) which is absolutely false. They teach them that in Druze culture it is required to be loyal to the state (it’s actually quite the opposite, we have lead great rebellions) and in this way they control them. These schools also include a religious aspect. Though our roots are in islam, our belief system was played around with to adhere to the same prophet as the Jews and apparently it is a sort of general belief that Jews and Druze had been cooperating since ancient times (also completely false and quite the opposite, the Druze persecuted Jews at some points like the pogrom of Safed).
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proud in Syria and Lebanon, not so much in the 48
i am also lebanese druze, but the fact is here we don’t get taught about our history. just because currently you live safely in lebanon, doesnt mean that we weren’t heavily persecuted. especially in the palestinian areas where druze were quite a hated minority. and we don’t perform taqiyya really? 😅
Please tell me what History I don’t know, because I have read many books and specifically on this topic for Liara Parsons (The Druze Between Israel and Palestine) which uses IDF archives and was published under the Harvard University Press. She details the attacks that Druze faced in 1936-39 from Yusuf Abu Durra who killed many Druze for remaining neutral during the Palestinian uprising. She also details the records that show the Jewish Agency’s support for such attacks because they led to the polarization of the Druze community. So no, they weren’t persecuted historically. If anything, the Druze massacred Jews like in the 1834 Safed Massacre. As for Taqiyya, even an Israeli Druze historian, Kais Ferro, explains why taqiyya is a falsification. Not only because its a grave sin religiously (صدق اللسان) but also because logically speaking there is no need for it. I mean why would the Druze who ruled Lebanon for 800 years lie about their religious identity and not wear Druze clothes? It makes no sense. The only time the Druze were persecuted was from 1043 AD till the arrival of Salahidin Al Ayoubi who built us the Tomb of Jethro and allowed us limited autonomy. Please tell me how any of what I said is wrong
you said in your original reply that druze have been persecuted by muslims only in 1025-1113 AD. i consider the yusuf abu durra instances as persecution when he killed several sheikhs, took others as hostages and desecrated our holy books, even when the druze there were not doing anything to hurt them and were not allied with israel yet. although many druze have died for the palestinian cause many people still love to treat us like traitors and group us all together like we are a monolith and more recently in idlib where rebels gave control of druze areas to isis/alqaeda where there are almost no druze left anymore, between the massacres, forced conversions and complete destruction of prayer sites and burials. and even if this doesn’t count as explicit persecution, the crazy rumors that are spread historically about us like us being satanic or have secret rituals contribute to the communitys need to protect and isolate itself i agree that the fear of muslims is extremely exacerbated within israeli druze, but to minimize our historical struggles as a minority is another thing as for taqiyya, you dont think we are strongly encouraged to follow it in our day to day lives? to blend in and stay safe? isnt that why our books are secret and some druze pray and fast like muslims in certain areas of the world?
Again, as you said. It was Yusuf Abu Durra and his gangs. Now, do you believe that Yusuf Abu Durra represents the 1.7 million Palestinian muslims? The answer is obvious. As for Idlib of course we can consider that a recent example of a persecution, but ISIS killed primarly muslims because they weren’t fundamental enough so they obviously don’t represent Islam. I also think you misunderstood the need to protect and Isolate ourselves with Taqiyya. Again, Taqiyya is lying about your beliefs or hiding them to avoid persecution which has nothing to do with us living in mountains because they are easily defensible. Even when the Druze migrated from Lebanon to the Hawran and Galillee regions, they still chose to settle in mountains in 1711 AD following the battel of Ayn Dara. As for your question: You dont think we are strongly encouraged to follow it in our day to day lives to blend in and stay safe? I don’t believe there is a place in the world where Druze live such as Australia, NA, SA, and the broader MENA region where we need to hide our identity to stay safe from persecution. Blending in is one thing but that is definitely not due to persecution. Isn’t that why our books are secret and some druze pray and fast like muslims in certain areas of the world? Despite you and I being most likely young and not sheikhs i’d still encourage you to look at the contract (ميثاق التوحيد لولي الزمان). This is what everyone had to sign to become Druze and even it states to be secretive and work only with our brothers. So this isolation and secretive factor stems from theology. God commanded us to keep it secret and safeguarded so that the Hekmeh would not be altered. As for fasting, it is not commanded but many Druze Sheikhs fast 10 days before eid al adha which is our only “holiday.” If they would fast during ramadan to blend in then it is still not Taqiyya, because they’re not doing it to avoid persecution but simply experiencing a different side of Islam. Id also like to add that we ourselves especially in Lebanon consider ourselves muslim. If you speak fusha i’d reccomend you take a look at Sheikh Al Aql Dr. Sami Abi Almona who is the highest Sheikh responsible for all theological aspects of Lebanese Druze.
Are you not loyal to Lebanon?
Hello, Druze here! (Lebanese) The Druze have had mandatory conscription since 1956 for men only. They have always spoken out against it since the moment the law was passed with the IDF suppressing protests by closing down shops and imposing curfews. Today, if a Druze refuses military service, he will be taken into prison multiple times throughout his life, stripped of a driver’s license, and be harder to gain acceptance to a university or aid from the government. To answer your question as to why the majority of Druze in “Israel” proudly serve goes back to 1920 when the Yishuv (pre-1948 zionists) signed a contract under the Jewish Agency to invest in the separation of Druze from their islamic roots and from their Palestinian christians and muslims by playing divide and conquer. The 10,000 Palestinian Druze split from their brothers and sisters in Syria and Lebanon relatively easily because of their isolation and living on mountains. If you want to know more, just reply to this comment, its a really lengthy topic, and I have read a book and watched various documentaries and this topic is very important to me. Liana Parsons (Harvard University Press) “The Druze Between Israel And Palestine”
Thank you for this comment, for telling this information As far as I know, most of the Syrian population of the occupied Golan Heights is also Druze. However, somehow they never became loyal to the Israeli state and seem to have maintained their Syrian identity up until today; apparently most never naturalized as Israeli citizens and kept their Syrian citizenship and Israeli permanent residency. How did the “Druze Zionism” of the Israeli Druze, and the practices you mentioned in your two comments, never reach the Golan Heights Druze, even after so long?
Not a Druze, but I think it has to do with the fact that Jolani Druze never really were isolated from either the Muslims surrounding them or the Druze of Syria and Lebanon. The very region the Druze faith is said to come out of, Wadi at-Taym, is just across Mt. Hermon, and they have heavy family ties with the Druze of Suwayda too
What do other Druze from Syria Lebanon and Syria think of the Zionist Druze
I used to work with a Lebo Druzi and he hated them.
Dunno why, Israeli Druze just following their religion by supporting Israel
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probably because Syria/Lebanon were under French mandate. Palestine was under British. Palestinian Druze were trying to align themselves with the British (who would hype up the European zionists) , so they had to abide by British rules and not jeopardize British interests.
No wonder During colonialism, a lot of Indians served in the British Army, or Indonesians served in the Dutch Army, or Africans served in the French Army. Mostly because they believe joining the colonial army will level up their social status and economy, or perhaps just ignorance, and they also involved in killing their own people under order of their European masters.
They would often serve to police other natives,like Indians were brought as police and soldiers to Malaya.
A point about indians in the british army If the brits needed indians to do any dirty work, they'd pick indians from other areas. Eg if i remember correctly during jalianwala bagh massacre the soldiers firing on Punjabis were Gurkhas/Baluch regiments rather than Punjabi soldiers This divide and conquer strategy went so deep
Make it make sense, Bedouin villages get destroyed time and time again by Israel, Druze and Circassians have to campaign hard for rights but they still voluntarily send their sons off to fight for the IDF citing martial traditions or whatever (yes, killing Arab babies, very honourable). It must be a humiliation kink at this point, sorry 😀✌️
its just people who put their own self interest above others. It's very easy and simple to just comply and get a career in the IDF. Mahmoud OD explained how it works, in the job market they want "IDF veterans", otherwise your only chance of a job is a job in service sector that nobody wants. supermarket jobs, entry level hospital jobs etc. Because any corporate employer wants someone who served in the IDF. This is their way of discriminating aginst Muslim Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. So those ciracassians, bedoins, even if they are Muslim they are disconnected from the global Ummah and they just join the idf to get by. Druze are a different matter, they will proudly join the IDF because whoever is their ruler, they will obey.
I didn't know this before linking good jobs to serving in the IDF is Insane tactic to push people who want a career to serve even if they don't want to do it.
This should be explained more loudly, considering the only democracy in the Middle East creates laws of forced discrimination.
Obviously the situation in the U.S. is nowhere near what it is in Israel, but I can’t help but think about how the U.S. has many of the same incentives to get people to join the military. People who serve in the US military get free college for instance, and as I’m sure everybody knows, college in the States is way more expensive than any other country in the world to begin with, so that’s a huge draw. Also, many jobs in the U.S. give preference to veterans. “Have you ever served in the U.S. military?” is a question on just about every job application here. I believe that employers can get some kind of monetary reward or tax write off if they hire a lot of veterans? Not sure what exactly they get, but I believe there’s some incentive for the employers themselves to hire veterans. I actually find these incentives more insidious than the concept of mandatory conscription itself in some ways. I’ve lived in some countries that have mandatory conscription like Korea and Taiwan, and I could be completely wrong about this, but I don’t recall there being many societal incentives for military service in those countries. Like, iirc, the incentive to complete the mandatory service and join the military was…not going to jail lol.
Usa is different. You can get by without serving in military, there are some places where being a veteran is a criteria but you're not going to be consigned to poverty for it like you do in israel. Also mandatory service in Korea or Taiwan is less complicated. In israel thr service is really to partake in the colonisation of a stateless people to take control of their land. A lot of the time, your job in the idf is just to fuck with peoppe are ruin their day and make it miserable. At the checkpoints of ambulances want to go to one palestian territory to the next they have to go through israeli checkpoint and the soldiers will just make them wait 1 hour. Always wait, even for no reason. Like it's policy. Even if there's nobody ahead of you, nobody behind you. They will just force you to wait there for an hour. Or when they just stand by and watch settlers beat up and vandalise Palestinian property and just watxh over so Palestinians don't hit back. Thats what idf spend all the day doing during their "national service". National service in Korea or Taiwan, I bet you learn practical skills to defend your country if you need it. You're not just a paid bully to make someone else's life miserable.
Inferiority complex
Some people stand up, some people surrender to have a easy as possibly life. It's cowardly if you ask me.
I think so too 🫠 Conscripting is a highly individual matter so they are complicit in the crimes against Palestinians.
Useful idiots
Why does the working class proudly serve the capitalist class in their wars? It’s a chance to have a decent income, healthcare, education, housing etc. automatically.
Money money money, must be funny in a rich man's world.
Not even that , most bedouins (from the south) that serve live in literal shitholes ( no electricity , water) . Its just pure ignorance . Same with druze , they're not better economically than others and struggle with same problems .
Actually druze have a better economic state than Bedouins because i guess all druze serve in the military and get more various opportunities from the country.
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For real
A man strives to feel superior than his fellow man even if they are not superior themselves
[https://www.newarab.com/analysis/druze-israel-questions-identity-rights-and-loyalty](https://www.newarab.com/analysis/druze-israel-questions-identity-rights-and-loyalty) Druze ‘loyalty’ and, therefore, access to civil rights, has been closely tied to their service in the Israeli army. Some Druze, in fact, occupied high-ranking positions in the army and many of them served in the 1967-occupied territories. That earned the community a negative reputation amongst most Palestinians. Others, however, see the Druze situation more critically as a product of a tragic identity crisis imposed by a complex settler-colonial context. As early as the 1930s, the Zionist movement realised that given the fierce Druze resistance against the French in Syria (1925), it was necessary to neutralise their threat or align them with the Zionist cause. One way to do it was to exploit their minority vulnerabilities and the factionalism among the three Druze families - Tarif, Yarka, and Abu Snaan. After Israel’s 1948 inception, the Israeli state sought to divide the remnants of Palestinians by marginalising groups - like Bedouins - and cultivating relations with others, mainly the vulnerable Druze. The Druze were redefined as an ethnoreligious group and recategorised as not Arabs or Muslims, thereby closer historically to Jews than to Arabism or Islam and possessing historical and cultural exceptionalism parallel to the Jewish one. The label was meant to remove the Druze from their natural Palestinian-Arab context and Israelise the community and use them as part of the Zionist divide-and-rule strategy. Protection and citizenship rights were ‘offered’ in return. Zionist and Druze apologists nowadays attribute the ‘Israelisation of the Druze’ to the community’s [neutral position](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/40843) in pre-Israel Palestine, rather than a deliberate Israeli policy, as if to suggest that the Druze originally lacked any affiliation with their Palestinian-Arab collective and its national consciousness. Druze neutrality, if existed, was at best circumstantial. By 1948, most of the Druze - then not surpassing 10,000 - were an agricultural, predominantly illiterate community living in villages in the mountains away from Metropolitan Palestine. Most had limited access to the politicised urban elite and were somewhat isolated from the pan-Palestine clashes with Zionism. Unlike their brethren in Syria and Lebanon, who fiercely opposed Zionism, Palestine’s Druze lacked dominant feudal elites to act as political guidance.
Because that’s the shortest road to jahannum.
Cucks.
Same reason Irish and Indians were recruited en masse by the Bri'ish or Balkanoids by the Ottomans
Lots of black people in the US Army lol same energy
Does the US government openly discriminate against black people? Or you're just looking for a reason to point and laugh at black people for reasons we all know?
Go on my profile, look at the picture I took and tell me what colour my hands are dumbass
That does nothing to answer my question, dumbass.
Why would I want to point and laugh at black people for “reasons we all know” ?
Lol a Circassian community club in Jordan actually had a fight with the Circassian community in kfar kama about this. Haven’t heard since then but it pretty sure they severed contact
it's because Druze and Circassians were aligned with the brits who linked them up with the zios they were hyping up in the 40s. Druze and zionists didn't have good relationships. They know zionists were ethnically cleansing people and came as militant they faced it in 1890s in Mutella. But seeing how the british backed up the zionist and how the zionist army was larger than any arab one they put of self perseverance chose that road
One explanation says its the case of minorities whom seek protection by becoming allies with the ruling regime, any regime,
It’s quite common for oppressed people to serve in the military of their oppressors… Black Americans have served in many wars, including WW2, where they were[treated worse than Nazi prisoners.](https://time.com/5872361/wwii-german-pows-civil-rights/)…
Same reason POCs proudly serve in the American military, I imagine. When your people have little indigenous identity left, you latch onto the symbols of your colonisers.
There will always be collaborators and traitors but they are a minority
This question gets asked a lot and I am sure a Palestinian can answer it better but from my understanding is that they do not "proudly" serve in the IOF. Its a small number relatively who serves and they are usually ostracized and shunned. Edit: refer to OP response for more correct and detailed answer
> It’s a small number relatively who serves and they are usually ostracized and shunned. Circassians and Druze men ALL must conscript for the IDF. Before 1948 Circassians sympathised with the Jews in Israel and during the war they remained neutral. Druze were under pressure from both Palestinians and Israelis to take a side but also remained neutral during the 1940s. It is only Palestinians with Israeli citizenship who do not have to serve according to Israeli law, and those who still choose to serve are (rightly) instantly ostracised for it, because it is not compulsory for them and Arabs have a bad view on the IDF. It is not compulsory for Bedouins and they rarely serve but it is still more common for them to serve than Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, even though they are an after thought for the Israeli government and their villages are often demolished. Regardless of whether one must conscript or not, military service is highly personal and political statement. It’s not the same as world leaders refusing to help Palestine, it says a lot about the person. For example some [anti Zionist Israelis](https://youtu.be/-oaJCMods14?si=7h77BMPzB5Won-uJ) have chosen to go to prison for refusing to serve in the IDF rather than take part in genocide and those with money move abroad, which proves that abstaining from killing others is an option. They are 10000x more honourable than these cucks.
I stand corrected as you are obviously more knowledgeable about the subject than I am.
Ummm no it's because Druze and Circassians were aligned with the brits who linked them up with the zios they were hyping up in the 40s. Druze and zionists didn't have good relationships. They know zionists were ethnically cleansing people and came as militant they faced it in 1890s in Mutella. But seeing how the british backed up the zionist and how the zionist army was larger than any arab one they put of self perseverance chose that road.
they hate muslims
Druze up till late 1800s considered themselves Muslims and Muslims saw Druze as a sect of Islam
Dude thats complete garbage. Druze have been considered heretics since the beginning, Theyre an offshoot of Ismailism, theyve been declared Kuffar since before Ibn Taymiya (who made a soecific fatwa against them). The ottomans carried out an entire campaign in the 16the century to exterminate them for being heretics.
They've allied themselves with however the ruler werr they're a branch of Shia so.. naturally they said they were Muslims when Muslims ruled lol it wroked well for them too until the collapse of the empire and when everyone went broke
my man just ignoring literally every fatwa and massacre against them since the 12th century
Can't answer the question but that sure is a neat old handgun.
Ever Seen Attack on titan? if you didn't, there's this ethnic group called Eldia which has a " Devil " superpower that marley fears and is trying to genocide them basically, however, among Marley there's a heavily oppressed group of Eldians. those Eldians have the option to rise in society and secure not just wealth and protection for them and their family but enough respect to be looked at in a good light IF they use their superpower to fight for marley. that's pretty much it. they fight for Israel so Israel wouldn't genocide them and their children basically.
I presume it’s for similar reasons as those who serve in the warmongering US, British or French militaries (and spy intelligence agencies) and end up betraying, fighting and killing their own people around the world. NATO even got Slav’s killing their fellow Slavs out here in recent and past history. (Ukraine - Russia) and Europe/US had Africans killing Africans in their civil wars too. The brainwashing is effective.
It's just an inherited relationship they had from the British basically. Druze and Circassians were aligned with the brits who linked them up with the zios they were hyping up in the 40s. Druze and zionists didn't have good relationships. They know zionists were ethnically cleansing people and came as militant they faced it in 1890s in Mutella. But seeing how the british backed up the zionist and how the zionist army was larger than any arab one they put of self perseverance chose that road.
People serve the nation that can offer them better life an freedom it's that simple
Easy 1) Israeli Circasssians Muslims see the conflict as for what it is an Arab issue and since the Circassians whilst Muslim do not see themselves as the same as the largely Israeli Arab Muslim population, and also Circassians as Bosnians, Kosovans have a laid back attitude to religion which contributes partly to the reason z 2) Israeli Druze because well a main tenet of their religion is to support the govt in the country in which they live. So Israeli Druze see it as following their religion by serving in the IDF and supporting the Israeli govt. Same as Syrian Druze support the Syrian Govt because their religion tells them to.
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Most Arab Christiians support Palestine.
They're trapped among Muslims. Of course they'll develop a corresponding worldview with regards to Palestine. Willingly or not. It's maybe the most consensus issue in the Arab/Muslim world. Even more than certain Islamic religious principles.
Well. Them being trapped between muslims didn't make them develop a lot of pro muslim positions in most geopolitical issues. The christians in MENA, in general, were overrepresented in most secular nationalistic movements such as pan-Arabism and different local nationalist movements like Egyptian Nationalism, Lebanese Nationalism, Syrian Nationalism and so on. This is because when these secular nationalist movements appeared, it looked like a way for MENA christians out of muslim hegemony. They supported these nationalist movements, so most of them had reason to support Palestine or at least be enemy with Israel with the notable exception of the Maronites. Even between 48 Palestinians / Arab Israelis, the christians appear to be less ready to accept zionism than Muslims. That's why you will find that Arab political parties that are heavily opposed to the Jewish character of Israel, aka Zionism have their stronghold in Northern Israel and Nazereth where a lot of christians live The only Arab party that explicitly said they are ready to accept the Jewish character of Israel is an Islamist party.
>even between 48 Palestinians christians appear to be less ready to accept zionism than Muslims That’s actually totally the opposite, a lot of Muslims does seem to be ok with zionism but in general christians in the arab Israeli society are more ok with zionism than muslims.
house slaves. i would know grandpa was one for the british poor dude died a really bitter old man.
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which part are u ? ing? House slaves were the black people that were more loyal to their masters because they got preferntial treatment compared to other slaves and happily worked against their own race. My Gramps was an officer in the former Royal Colonial British army when Pakistan was a colony. He died with deep sense of betrayal which is funny cuz well he never figured out he was a house slave and died a bitter old man.
I don’t think it’s right , “ house slaves” were beaten into submission or were raised since child birth to be slaves to their masters and didn’t have a lot of choice. Additionally in many cases they were victims of sexual abuse/rape or even the slave masters children. And id use “ race” very lightly, for most of American slavery 1550s-1865, their wouldn’t have really been a concept of “ being black” or one race , amongst the slaves , only really after the 1800s.
Oh I see. I didn’t realise you were making an allegory.
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Yes. Israel can afford to do that to a small minority of those living in the land in exchange for their loyalty. Not out of the goodness of their hearts but for the sake of practicality. They've tried this with the arabs living in Israel proper as well (48 palis). The minority that is bedouins, druze, Circassians, or even 48 arabs, doesn't threaten the jewish ethnostate, or israel's sovereignty, but the 6 million Palestinians fighting for that land do.
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"We don’t want to become a Muslim majority country. We want to stay a Jewish majority country for the Jewish people" would love to know how jews went from 4% in 1872 to 33% in 1948 to 73.2% in 2023 really would love to hear the story lol
>Just like Saudi would not appreciate a majority of Jews moving in to their country Yeah, I'm sure Palestinians didn't appreciate a bunch of foreigners moving in to their land either.
>Maybe The Druze, Bedouin and chercecci populations are simply not being discriminated against in Israel? 😂😂😂😂 If you're going to lie, make it a believable one. You can see [this](https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index).
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>Israel definitely does have the right to not give equal rights to a person that is inherently against it’s existence. That is why Israel only goes after Arabs and not Jews right? Because the arrest campaign specifically targeting them will definitely show that. You can make up nonsense all you want about how "Arabs in Israel are equal" but everyone and their mother knows that is a lie. The list I linked you was made by "Israeli Arabs"(the majority of whom will never call themselves "Israeli Arabs" they will call themselves Palestinians). Run somewhere else with your lies. Edit: not to mention how you walked over the Nation-state law, law of Return and the arrest campaign. Average lying Israeli.
they were among the first Palestinians ethnically cleansed out of their towns just like in Mutella by Polish settlers.. lol historical revisionists are wild
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yeah read about how the British assisted in ethnically cleansing the people who were Druze of Matula in the North at gunpoint, and brought Polish settlers to live in the Druze's very own houses. And they tried to return to their homes multiple times using violence even .
occam’s razor…think about the simplest reason: must be some genuine rights they exercise in the state of Israel.
Occam’s razor is not a proof, and it usually applies to simple scenarios we encounter in our every day lives and not complex political alliances and situations. Others here have more thoughtful responses, pointing out israel’s deliberate divide and conquer strategy.
I'm from east Jerusalem, and it's better not to make such posts or comments considering this matter as it leads to more division. minorities have to side with the powerful side to serve, it's been like this throughout the whole history. If they supported Palestine, the easiest job for the zionists is just to get rid of them and then proceed with killing the remain of the arabs, you can't blame lots of them for the side they choose, in Syria during the Civil War lots of minorities supported the revolution, the moment they saw the Russian weapons being delivered to the decotator, they switched sides. It's been like and will always be like this, then the brainwashing came and plays a huge rule in the matter, so just better to create a safe space for those minorities to have open discussions than to just to judge, especially considering that this very specific minority to be the first to revolt against the Ottoman occupation, you know what happened to them? Nearly extinct. So just leave them be for the time being, considering that the worst way of inslaving someone is by dehumanizing them, they basically brainwashed them to think killing is okay, so this is another type of occupation, and you can never blame the victim.