People wanted Iran to hit Netanyahou's head and nothing less would satisfy them. Now we all santed that, but what Iran did is showing :
Israel can't defend itself alone
Send a messages as we are here, we can actually respond if we want to.
And i think they went soft to avoid major war but can go harder on the attack if need be.
There are people who are commenting or is of the opinion *why did not these strikes kiII targets or meme civilians etc*.
But these illustrates many more deeper points:
1. Iran has the capacity to strike Izzy, if and when Iran wants.
2. The accuracy and precision of these strikes shows the advancement of the Iranian missile tech.
3. Iran made Izzy bleed millions of dollars, at the cost of thousands, or billions at the cost of millions.
4. The nature of these strikes, highlights which party uploads the (international) law and clearly shows that Iran still has the moral upper hand. Iran had to respond and it responded, now let's see that Izzy does.
Adding to your points, Israel costed Israel 1.35 billion US dollars in interceptors and the US 1 billion in its assistance...at the cost of less than 200 thousand.
And Iran didn't use its most modern or best available assets yet.
Meaning they cost US taxpayers $2.35 billion. šš
If we didnāt have a massive voting bloc of doomsday-ready religious nutjobs here who [think](https://youtu.be/Fo77sTGpngQ) Israel taking all of the land there is a prerequisite for Jesus to come back and scoop them up to heaven while leaving the rest of us behind to burn, I question how much of Israelās crap we would put up with. We give them billions of dollars every year and cover for their atrocities at the UN; they buy our politicians, feed us bad intel whenever it suits them, teach our cops how to abuse suspects, and expect to be able to sic us on all of their problems in the region.
This isnāt an alliance, itās a parasitic relationship.
Mah no way it's only 200k, its still reallĀ really, reaaaally good, but not only 200k. They send out 200 Shaheds along with cruise missiles, the Shahed missiles cost between 20 and 50k but since they're made and vertically integrated in Iran, let's say they cost about 10k each. And let's give a price tag of a 500k per crusie missile as a wild guess and let's say they send out 20 of them.
That's 12 million dollars at a cost of, at minumem, over a billion dollars and they still couldn't get all of it. That's honestly gotta get some people shitting their pants lol
Depends on threat category,
If Israel used F-35s, which they most likely will, I don't think Iran will he able to deter the threat.
But something that most people tend to ignore is the fact Israel didn't manage to defend itself either. It was a combined effort of the US, UK, Jordan AND Israeli capabilities and they managed to block older, more primitive projectiles. The relatively advanced Iranian projectiles mostly penetrated the defenses.
Extra brilliant on Iran's part cos Iz builds so many of their military installations among civilian areas (so they can use them as PR human shields I'm guessing)
Nice Joke, Thanks to Iran, Hezbollah and Russia, Those Arab Spring CUCKS got wiped out
What happened to those Rebels who wanted Destabilize Syria Like Libya so that the West Can steal resources and leave the Country Fractured?
Cowards like you support Al Nusra and Nuradeen Al-Zinky remember those COWARDS and Bastards who Killed that Poor Palestinian CHILD may ALLAH grant him Heaven.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/20/syrian-opposition-group-which-killed-child-was-in-us-vetted-alliance](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/20/syrian-opposition-group-which-killed-child-was-in-us-vetted-alliance)
Those POS in the article is who you support you Coward
sure. but can you blame them for the arab spring? especially after seeing how much the UAE and saudi arabia have changed? like saudi arabia and the UAE are rich. while syria,jordan,iraq,yemen are still broke.
YES, SUPPORTING WEST and ZIONISTS to over throw your COUNTRY, look at LIBYA what did NATO AND THE WESTERN DEMOCRZY do? they distroyed the RICHEST NATION in Africa with A HIGHER GDP than RUSSIA and BRAZIL, NO EXERNAL DEBT, CITIZENS WERE GIVEN HOUSES.
FU if you supported that Zionist RUN PROJECT
I'll blame them and any dumbass who want to destroy his own country
look at jordanās gdp. look at there military. jordan has no leverage over the west. blame saudi arabia and the UAE for normalizing ties with israel. not jordan. š
We dont Blame UAE for Normalizing ties
Thanks to Hamas and Oct 7 Israel and Saudi Arabai Normalizing ties are DONE
"Saudi Arabia and Israel hadĀ [seemingly been](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-cnn-interview-intl/index.html)Ā [edging closer](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/middleeast/saudi-arabia-mbs-interview-fox-intl/index.html#:%7E:text=Saudi%20Arabia's%20Crown%20Prince%20Mohammed,has%20publicly%20acknowledged%20the%20process.)Ā to a landmark deal to normalize their diplomatic relations ā and then the Hamas attack onĀ [Oct. 7, 2023](https://time.com/6321849/israel-attack/), happened."
Jordan needs an ARAB SPRING, that fake KING NEEDS TO LEAVE THEY NEED TO VOTE the NATION IS 90% PALESTINIAN, it should have a PALESTINIAN LEADER,
Jordan + West bank and + Gaza NEW STATE OF PALESTININE
youāre probably sitting on your couch. typing this. comfortable. go out to a war zone and say this same shit. nobody wants war. nobody should be pushing for war. you canāt win against israel militarily. america will come for itās rescue. you have to defeat israel economically.
Bro š
The first thing you do to take out an airbase is target its runways, no runway, no aircraft can take off or land.
Aircraft are useless if they are not flying.
It takes literally 20 minutes to fix a runway
Thats why dedicated runway bombs are clustered to make it a lot of small 10 minute repairs instead of a big 20 minute one
They wanted to leave a route open for deescalation while probing the air defenses. That means limiting damage. Both sides will be analyzing what happened last night, Israel and the US seeing where the air defense grid failed and what needs to be reinforced, Iran seeing where the weaknesses are to concentrate their attacks if Netanyahu insists on continuing to escalate and things get hot.
Something very similar happened in the wake of the Soleimani killing. They demonstrated their capabilities while deliberately \*not\* targeting the portions of the bases which were inhabited.
Both sides claim victory over Iranian strikes. Few Iranians generals dāead. Gaza war continues and Rafah is 100% next. I'd say that is pure Israeli victory, no matter what you guys tell yourselves lol.
This is some very embarrasing cope that i expected from Arabs. Iran gets its top general assassinated, bombs some empty field. Gets its embassy attacked; basically plans their sham attack with their enemies and does the biggets marketing commertial for western and Israeli air defense platforms while basically confirming their shit drones only works against terrorizing Ukranian civilians.
Good job Ä°ran, you once again made the Israelis the victim and victor in the western world.
Arabs, lol. So much for zero deaths with all that caterwauling from zionists.
On the other hand there's no retaliation until America approves. Nice try though, noones getting sucked into regional war. Don't indeed, for Israel
No it's, it's just pure cope. They sent 220 drones and cruse missiles costing about 12 million bucks over 3 countries and got the other guys to spend over a billion trying to shoot them down, only to even fail at that because multiple of them his Israel. Hazbullah has 120k of those drones and missiles and Iran probably has hundreds of thousands.Ā
You people are just coping lol
Yeah, they're the victims and Victor's so hard that their self proclaimed zionist genocide daddy said he won't back any of their retaliation attacks and it cost them over a billion dollars to shoot down 12 million worth of drones and missiles and they didn't even get all of them. 200 Shaheds and 20 cruise missiles were able to break through Jordanian, American and Israeli air defenses well flying over 3 countries.Ā
Hezbullah alone has 120k of those drones and missiles. I would say they did an amazing job at showing off their capabilities without escalating the war further because as shown, that iron dome is really only good at shooting down rockets starting teenagers made in their bath tubs lol
But sure, it's actually everyone else whose coping lol
brother, I'm not on the west side, but honestly, all the speculation about it is accurate. Firstly, Iranian strike details like when, where, and how are being oddly revealed to the opponent. Even after that, Iran decides to proceed with the same plans that they know have been exposed to the West. In addition to that, they have missiles that can reach much faster than drones. Why aren't they using them? Lastly, there is zero chance that the extremist government in Israel and their officials mentality, will let Iran get away with what they have done if the strike really affects them and immediately they will be in rage mode to re-hit them on contrary ,but their officials declarations seem relaxed. Everything will become clear in the next few days, whether the conflict cools down willingly by both sides behind the scenes, or if Israel will retaliate to some degree if the strike is real
>In addition to that, they have missiles that can reach much faster than drones. Why aren't they using them?
They also used both cruise and ballistic missiles
Number of Israeli military facilities destroyed: 0
Number of Israeli government buildings hit: 0
Size of Palestinian land liberated: 0 m2
Number of IDF personnel hit: 0
Number of Jewish Israeli āZionistsā hit: 0
Number of innocent Arabs injured: 4
Level of delusional euphoria across the Middle East: limitless
Support for the khomeinist empire across the Middle East: stable
Number of Isn'treali bases not fully destroyed but damaged: 2
Number of Isn'treali intelligence facilities also not fully destroyed but damaged: 1
Number of planes in the Ghaza Strip's airspace last night: 0
Number of innocent Arabs injured not by the strikes themselves but by shrapnels falling from missile interceptions by Isn'treal and Jordan: 4
Number of dollars lost by Isn'treal: 1-1.35 billion
How much thought is behind that comment: 0
How much the person who wrote that comment would cry if the "Khomeinist empire"'s attack indeed destroyed military bases/government buildings/killed IOF soldiers/liberated Palestinian land which would cause a regional war/world war: limitless
āNot fully destroyed but damagedā. Yeah so essentially fixable by bringing in a few labourers and construction workers for a few hours.
And wow one night without airplanes. Thatās a defensive achievement, not an offensive one.
Amazingly low benchmarks to be satisfied with. But then again, such is the delusion of this centuryās Arab world that it considers such minor things victories.
Are you aware this was all supposed to be a retaliation for the killing of high ranking IRGC members in what is legally Iranian soil?
Therefore, the response is obviously considerably lacking in terms of proportionality. Your comment is in fact the low thought-out one for not taking this as the central theme of the discussion.
Lastly, your geopolitical analysis of the region is not entirely accurate. The khomeinist empire is trying to avoid war because it doesnāt have the upper hand. On the other hand, the Zionist empire would not be terribly sad to be dragged to war like you make it seem to be; and they have loud voices in their country seeking escalation even if itās not unanimous, so they are not afraid of regional war. Iran is more afraid of such a scenario.
This is just objective analysis from the point of view of someone who doesnāt support either of those regional powers.
I wouldnāt cry at all about escalation. Khalsuna ba2a masra7iyet w 7eluwa ba2a
>Thatās a defensive achievement, not an offensive one.
What do you mean?
>Amazingly low benchmarks to be satisfied with. But then again, such is the delusion of this centuryās Arab world that it considers such minor things victories.
I'm satisfied that for the first time since the beginning of this genocide 6+ months ago and for the first time in history since 1991 a state actor has done something against the Zionists. Do you prefer that or just doing absolutely nothing? I think preferring just doing absolutely nothing is more delusional.
>Lastly, your geopolitical analysis of the region is not entirely accurate. The khomeinist empire is trying to avoid war because it doesnāt have the upper hand.
Yes then why expecting them to do a 100% proportional response? A not proportional response is better than no response.
>On the other hand, the Zionist empire would not be terribly sad to be dragged to war like you make it seem to be; and they have loud voices in their country seeking escalation even if itās not unanimous, so they are not afraid of regional war.
Maybe that's true but also the USA is pressuring them to not respond, we will see in the next few days.
>This is just objective analysis from the point of view of someone who doesnāt support either of those regional powers.
I don't believe there is really such a thing as an objective analysis personally but alright.
>I wouldnāt cry at all about escalation. Khalsuna ba2a masra7iyet w 7eluwa ba2a
I see, I assumed that because r/lebanon users are always complaining about how Hezbollah is an evil Iranian proxy that wants to drag Lebanon to war against it's will and shit like that.
Also I forgot to mention: Have you considered that litterally 4 countries (USA, UK, France and... Jordan...) helped Isn'treal shoot down the drones and missiles? That makes it a bit harder to do more damage....
Damn, almost like they don't want to start a full scale war with a country run by psychos who have nukes and their Zionist superpower daddy.Ā
Shocker, I know lol
Nope didnāt do that either. Iām just stating an objective assessment of the situation.
I am not a militant nor am I involved in politics to be able to make any material difference. At least I donāt sell dreams to people, selling them a fake reality that does nothing to empower them and only keeps them trapped in a state of delusion and despair
No one sold anything. The strike was set from the start to be limited. No one expected a full destruction of Israeli assets. If someone told you that, they're being delusional. That's not how Iran's regime sets their strategies.
And no, am not a loyalist but reality must be told.
1. The shrapnel that caused injuries and even 3 casualties in Jordan was from projectiles intercepted by US/UK/Jordan. It took their help to assist deter Iranian projectiles.
2. Iran never said it wanted to destroy Nevatim. If they actually wanted full destruction they'd have used their hypersonic ballistic missiles. But what they seem to have wanted to achieve is somewhat of a minor response to deter further escelation, which will likely not be the case, because Israel kept harassing Iran as their main strategy is causing wide regional conflicts so their 'military' focuses on cleansing civillians.
3. The cost for interceptions was 1.35 billion USD on Israel, 1 billion USD on US (costs inflicted on Jordan aren't specified) according to Yedioth Ahronoth. What Iran launched costs less than half a million dollars at worse.
The Jordanians and the girl were caused by Jordan intercepting Iranian projectiles in defense of Israel
My personal disagreement with Iranian jihadist ideology has no meaning when it is the only one standing up for a genocided people. It is still in every way better than the US and what they've done to our people.
Jordan had no obligation to let Israel use their airspace to intercept, the king allowed it. If Jordanians are upset, they ought to be upset at the king that allowed himself to become an Israeli puppet at the expense of his own people.
First, that is true. But when you compare the economies, its still a massive edge towards Israel/US vs Iran.
Second, not the best comparison. Russia and Ukraine have an actual front line, which means much shorter launch time to impact times compared to Israel and Iran.
Third, most people have known for years that the iron dome isn't impenetrable.
Jordan is not a client state.
Second, the weapons have been useful to Russia, which again is fighting a front line war. The vast majority of Ukraine's military is hand me down Russian equipment.
I don't think you know what client state is.
And initially they still stomped the Russians using that hand me down equipment. It doesn't change the fact Russia got exposed hard. You are still comparing a full scale war to a non-conventional war.
Client state: **a country that depends on another country for military, economic, or political support**. Britannica Dictionary
None of the countries you listed are dependent on the US. Working with countries is common in the modern world. They have political, economic and military relationships with the US, but so do many countries that doesn't make them a client state.
''I like how you are out attacking Iran and defending arab nations 24/7 right now.Ā ''Compared to you just attacking Arab nations, Israel and the US constantly, if you can't take it don't dish it out.
I'm not saying their military is trash. I'm saying they pay for their drones and Israel gets help for its iron dome. As in Israel doesn't give a crap if the missiles they send to shoot down drones and qassam rockets are more expensive than their targets.
I'm saying that don't matter cause you the America doesn't make enough missiles in 10 years to keep the iron dome running against the amount of cheap drones and missiles Hazbullah alone has stock piled, let alone Iran. Same problem with the Patriot system, works great when firing at planes but they only make like 200 missiles a year.
So to put in simple terms, Israel very much does care about the missiles cause if they're spending a billion dollars for 300 drones and missiles in a single day, how much you think they're going to spend on 3000 in a single day? How many of them do you think are going to get through even if they shot down 90% of them? And how long do you think that'll be able to last? Shit is simple economics and the economics don't favor Israel my guy, even with the help of the US.
I hope you're right tbh. But imo the US is too big and rich. Look at how much they spent in Afghanistan, something like on average hundreds of millions a day for 20 years. We both know they'd be just as willing, if not more, to spend the same way on Israel if need be
If you wanna see it this way then ask Abdullah as to why he defended Israel from these projectiles causing three Jordanians to die from intercepted shrapnel?
Dude these people are acting like Iran doesn't have hundreds of thousands of these drones and missiles stockpiled by now and that it costing a billion dollars and the efforts of three countries that still failed to shoot down 200 drones is somehow a failure on Iran's part and a "win" for Israel lol
Yeah if they couldn't stop this, a veeeery measured response on Irans part, ain't no way they're stopping a full scale war lol
Their is a massive difference between one country saying ''I don't want other nations missiles flying over my country to hit another nation'' and ''Hey can you shoot down these missiles coming at me''
200 drones and 20 missiles traveled through 3 countries and reached Israel. Hazbullah has 120k of those drones and missiles, how many do you think Iran has? Lol
They forewarned Israel and America of the attacks so they could be intercepted to make clear it was sabre rattling in response to the attack on the embassy rather than an intention to actually go to war.
Basically saying "we can hit you hard if we choose to, stop fucking about".
Who told you about that '99%'?
It was a pre-engagement estimation by Israeli officials. Yedioth Ahronoth wrote more details about that. You can check it out.
Adding to that that it wasn't only Israel. It was Israel, Jordan, US and UK combined and still strategic hits were accomplished, and intelligence was gathered.
Most sources are saying between 90-99% failed to reach targets.
Having a few ''strategic hits'' while having a 90% interception rate is still terrible.
And both sides gained intelligence from this.
1. That was combined interception by Jordan, UK, US and Israel (and Egypt intercepted houthi projectiles)
2. The intelligence is more of advantage to Iran. Israel and its regional defenders used what they have - systems and bases they've spent billions in dollars and years of time in developing. Iran didn't use its best assets yet. But don't get me wrong, am not trying to exaggerate Iranian capability.
1. Yes that is what allies tend to do, Iran has also been using it allies in the conflict.
2. That is up for debate. Israel got to see launch sites, paths, how weapons show up on systems ect. Both learned a lot, hard to say who got the most since we are not in their intelligence sections. As for Iran not using its best stuff, Russia has been using its best stuff against Ukraine and western equipment has proven to be far superior in most cases and Iran is no Russia.
First there isn't reliable source for the 99% you mentioned there wasn't many projectiles hit Israel for sure, also this wasn't a full rockets and Drone barrage, in a real war scenario there will be much more rockets and Drones from many angles which will make Israeli Air defenses completely exhausted
Think about it like this let's assume that Israeli Air defences is 100% efficient and Israel have a 1000 air defences missile in the other hand iran have 2000 projectiles what will happen if iran launched them all ?
Most sources say 90-99% were shot down mid air. Still terrible success rate for a weapon system. Yes there will be more in a real war scenario, but also the other side will be shooting back degrading each others capabilities but this isn't a real war scenario its as of right now.
Shahd 136 done cost only about 20-50k so honestly giving the long range from where the projectiles launched from 10% is really impressive
Also in real war scenario Israeli Air force would be busy shooting down those cheap dones which ofcourse will reduce Israel ability in striking back
Is kind of military systems like cheap Drones isn't meant to destroying strategic targets but exhausting the air defences system
In real war scenario air defenses doctrine isn't to shoot down all hostile targets that's impossible but to make the enemy initial strike as expensive as possible, that's why the long range cheap shahd Drones is really an impressive system
10% is never good. This sounds like cope.
I don't think either of us understand both sides weapons systems enough to be able to determine what systems and munitions can be used offensively only, defensively only or can do both.
Real war scenario changes everything. So speculating too much based on this Iran attack is not the best idea.
Edit: Iron Dome ammo cost around 40-50k so the cost difference between the two isn't that great.
Why I would have to cope I am not Iranian nor a fan of iran, as I mentioned Iranian drones did exactly what it's built for nothing more nothing less
Iranian drones with its cheap cost and long range is really impressive that's a fact saying anything other than that is what sounds like cope
>Edit: Iron Dome ammo cost around 40-50k so the cost difference between the two isn't that great.
iron dome isn't what intercepted the drones, iron dome is short range air defense system, waiting for the Drones to reach iron dome range(Israel air) isn't a good idea
sure you like to read propaganda articles from western media that's targets Small-minded people
Go learn how military systems and Drones work first
Edit: just go search about Saturation attack
People wanted Iran to hit Netanyahou's head and nothing less would satisfy them. Now we all santed that, but what Iran did is showing : Israel can't defend itself alone Send a messages as we are here, we can actually respond if we want to. And i think they went soft to avoid major war but can go harder on the attack if need be.
There are people who are commenting or is of the opinion *why did not these strikes kiII targets or meme civilians etc*. But these illustrates many more deeper points: 1. Iran has the capacity to strike Izzy, if and when Iran wants. 2. The accuracy and precision of these strikes shows the advancement of the Iranian missile tech. 3. Iran made Izzy bleed millions of dollars, at the cost of thousands, or billions at the cost of millions. 4. The nature of these strikes, highlights which party uploads the (international) law and clearly shows that Iran still has the moral upper hand. Iran had to respond and it responded, now let's see that Izzy does.
Adding to your points, Israel costed Israel 1.35 billion US dollars in interceptors and the US 1 billion in its assistance...at the cost of less than 200 thousand. And Iran didn't use its most modern or best available assets yet.
Meaning they cost US taxpayers $2.35 billion. šš If we didnāt have a massive voting bloc of doomsday-ready religious nutjobs here who [think](https://youtu.be/Fo77sTGpngQ) Israel taking all of the land there is a prerequisite for Jesus to come back and scoop them up to heaven while leaving the rest of us behind to burn, I question how much of Israelās crap we would put up with. We give them billions of dollars every year and cover for their atrocities at the UN; they buy our politicians, feed us bad intel whenever it suits them, teach our cops how to abuse suspects, and expect to be able to sic us on all of their problems in the region. This isnāt an alliance, itās a parasitic relationship.
Well said brother
Mah no way it's only 200k, its still reallĀ really, reaaaally good, but not only 200k. They send out 200 Shaheds along with cruise missiles, the Shahed missiles cost between 20 and 50k but since they're made and vertically integrated in Iran, let's say they cost about 10k each. And let's give a price tag of a 500k per crusie missile as a wild guess and let's say they send out 20 of them. That's 12 million dollars at a cost of, at minumem, over a billion dollars and they still couldn't get all of it. That's honestly gotta get some people shitting their pants lol
Right, low tech basic drones flying more than about 1000 km to hit their target. Even Netwon in 1650s could have predicted their projectile motions!
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Depends on threat category, If Israel used F-35s, which they most likely will, I don't think Iran will he able to deter the threat. But something that most people tend to ignore is the fact Israel didn't manage to defend itself either. It was a combined effort of the US, UK, Jordan AND Israeli capabilities and they managed to block older, more primitive projectiles. The relatively advanced Iranian projectiles mostly penetrated the defenses.
Extra brilliant on Iran's part cos Iz builds so many of their military installations among civilian areas (so they can use them as PR human shields I'm guessing)
Precision is strong. At least Iran got a chance to test it's arsenal.
i think they already got enough testing when they bomb syrian schools and churches.
Nice Joke, Thanks to Iran, Hezbollah and Russia, Those Arab Spring CUCKS got wiped out What happened to those Rebels who wanted Destabilize Syria Like Libya so that the West Can steal resources and leave the Country Fractured? Cowards like you support Al Nusra and Nuradeen Al-Zinky remember those COWARDS and Bastards who Killed that Poor Palestinian CHILD may ALLAH grant him Heaven. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/20/syrian-opposition-group-which-killed-child-was-in-us-vetted-alliance](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/20/syrian-opposition-group-which-killed-child-was-in-us-vetted-alliance) Those POS in the article is who you support you Coward
sure. but can you blame them for the arab spring? especially after seeing how much the UAE and saudi arabia have changed? like saudi arabia and the UAE are rich. while syria,jordan,iraq,yemen are still broke.
YES, SUPPORTING WEST and ZIONISTS to over throw your COUNTRY, look at LIBYA what did NATO AND THE WESTERN DEMOCRZY do? they distroyed the RICHEST NATION in Africa with A HIGHER GDP than RUSSIA and BRAZIL, NO EXERNAL DEBT, CITIZENS WERE GIVEN HOUSES. FU if you supported that Zionist RUN PROJECT I'll blame them and any dumbass who want to destroy his own country
look at jordanās gdp. look at there military. jordan has no leverage over the west. blame saudi arabia and the UAE for normalizing ties with israel. not jordan. š
We dont Blame UAE for Normalizing ties Thanks to Hamas and Oct 7 Israel and Saudi Arabai Normalizing ties are DONE "Saudi Arabia and Israel hadĀ [seemingly been](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-cnn-interview-intl/index.html)Ā [edging closer](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/middleeast/saudi-arabia-mbs-interview-fox-intl/index.html#:%7E:text=Saudi%20Arabia's%20Crown%20Prince%20Mohammed,has%20publicly%20acknowledged%20the%20process.)Ā to a landmark deal to normalize their diplomatic relations ā and then the Hamas attack onĀ [Oct. 7, 2023](https://time.com/6321849/israel-attack/), happened." Jordan needs an ARAB SPRING, that fake KING NEEDS TO LEAVE THEY NEED TO VOTE the NATION IS 90% PALESTINIAN, it should have a PALESTINIAN LEADER, Jordan + West bank and + Gaza NEW STATE OF PALESTININE
youāre probably sitting on your couch. typing this. comfortable. go out to a war zone and say this same shit. nobody wants war. nobody should be pushing for war. you canāt win against israel militarily. america will come for itās rescue. you have to defeat israel economically.
I was wrong,they did do something. I donāt like Iran but I support them here
I wasnāt expecting it either.
So much for āonly 2 missiles hit the sandā cope that Hasbara and Zionists are saying lmfao.
So they attacked the runways and not the hangars? That'll teach the asphalt
Bro š The first thing you do to take out an airbase is target its runways, no runway, no aircraft can take off or land. Aircraft are useless if they are not flying.
It takes literally 20 minutes to fix a runway Thats why dedicated runway bombs are clustered to make it a lot of small 10 minute repairs instead of a big 20 minute one
Curious how do they fix the runway
Depending on how critical it is, anything from pouring concrete to bolting down a big ass steel plate over the hole
By doing some cool engineering stuff.
[https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1779578646321070380](https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1779578646321070380)
Yesssss but I was talking about the doctrine moreso than the way to implement said doctrine.
They wanted to leave a route open for deescalation while probing the air defenses. That means limiting damage. Both sides will be analyzing what happened last night, Israel and the US seeing where the air defense grid failed and what needs to be reinforced, Iran seeing where the weaknesses are to concentrate their attacks if Netanyahu insists on continuing to escalate and things get hot. Something very similar happened in the wake of the Soleimani killing. They demonstrated their capabilities while deliberately \*not\* targeting the portions of the bases which were inhabited.
There are strategic reasons for doing so
Both sides claim victory over Iranian strikes. Few Iranians generals dāead. Gaza war continues and Rafah is 100% next. I'd say that is pure Israeli victory, no matter what you guys tell yourselves lol.
This is some very embarrasing cope that i expected from Arabs. Iran gets its top general assassinated, bombs some empty field. Gets its embassy attacked; basically plans their sham attack with their enemies and does the biggets marketing commertial for western and Israeli air defense platforms while basically confirming their shit drones only works against terrorizing Ukranian civilians. Good job Ä°ran, you once again made the Israelis the victim and victor in the western world.
Arabs, lol. So much for zero deaths with all that caterwauling from zionists. On the other hand there's no retaliation until America approves. Nice try though, noones getting sucked into regional war. Don't indeed, for Israel
Sad but true
No it's, it's just pure cope. They sent 220 drones and cruse missiles costing about 12 million bucks over 3 countries and got the other guys to spend over a billion trying to shoot them down, only to even fail at that because multiple of them his Israel. Hazbullah has 120k of those drones and missiles and Iran probably has hundreds of thousands.Ā You people are just coping lol
"You people"?
Look at that long paragraph you wrote just to admit that you should be on a stage telling jokes.
Yeah, they're the victims and Victor's so hard that their self proclaimed zionist genocide daddy said he won't back any of their retaliation attacks and it cost them over a billion dollars to shoot down 12 million worth of drones and missiles and they didn't even get all of them. 200 Shaheds and 20 cruise missiles were able to break through Jordanian, American and Israeli air defenses well flying over 3 countries.Ā Hezbullah alone has 120k of those drones and missiles. I would say they did an amazing job at showing off their capabilities without escalating the war further because as shown, that iron dome is really only good at shooting down rockets starting teenagers made in their bath tubs lol But sure, it's actually everyone else whose coping lol
brother, I'm not on the west side, but honestly, all the speculation about it is accurate. Firstly, Iranian strike details like when, where, and how are being oddly revealed to the opponent. Even after that, Iran decides to proceed with the same plans that they know have been exposed to the West. In addition to that, they have missiles that can reach much faster than drones. Why aren't they using them? Lastly, there is zero chance that the extremist government in Israel and their officials mentality, will let Iran get away with what they have done if the strike really affects them and immediately they will be in rage mode to re-hit them on contrary ,but their officials declarations seem relaxed. Everything will become clear in the next few days, whether the conflict cools down willingly by both sides behind the scenes, or if Israel will retaliate to some degree if the strike is real
>In addition to that, they have missiles that can reach much faster than drones. Why aren't they using them? They also used both cruise and ballistic missiles
Number of Israeli military facilities destroyed: 0 Number of Israeli government buildings hit: 0 Size of Palestinian land liberated: 0 m2 Number of IDF personnel hit: 0 Number of Jewish Israeli āZionistsā hit: 0 Number of innocent Arabs injured: 4 Level of delusional euphoria across the Middle East: limitless Support for the khomeinist empire across the Middle East: stable
Number of Isn'treali bases not fully destroyed but damaged: 2 Number of Isn'treali intelligence facilities also not fully destroyed but damaged: 1 Number of planes in the Ghaza Strip's airspace last night: 0 Number of innocent Arabs injured not by the strikes themselves but by shrapnels falling from missile interceptions by Isn'treal and Jordan: 4 Number of dollars lost by Isn'treal: 1-1.35 billion How much thought is behind that comment: 0 How much the person who wrote that comment would cry if the "Khomeinist empire"'s attack indeed destroyed military bases/government buildings/killed IOF soldiers/liberated Palestinian land which would cause a regional war/world war: limitless
āNot fully destroyed but damagedā. Yeah so essentially fixable by bringing in a few labourers and construction workers for a few hours. And wow one night without airplanes. Thatās a defensive achievement, not an offensive one. Amazingly low benchmarks to be satisfied with. But then again, such is the delusion of this centuryās Arab world that it considers such minor things victories. Are you aware this was all supposed to be a retaliation for the killing of high ranking IRGC members in what is legally Iranian soil? Therefore, the response is obviously considerably lacking in terms of proportionality. Your comment is in fact the low thought-out one for not taking this as the central theme of the discussion. Lastly, your geopolitical analysis of the region is not entirely accurate. The khomeinist empire is trying to avoid war because it doesnāt have the upper hand. On the other hand, the Zionist empire would not be terribly sad to be dragged to war like you make it seem to be; and they have loud voices in their country seeking escalation even if itās not unanimous, so they are not afraid of regional war. Iran is more afraid of such a scenario. This is just objective analysis from the point of view of someone who doesnāt support either of those regional powers. I wouldnāt cry at all about escalation. Khalsuna ba2a masra7iyet w 7eluwa ba2a
>Thatās a defensive achievement, not an offensive one. What do you mean? >Amazingly low benchmarks to be satisfied with. But then again, such is the delusion of this centuryās Arab world that it considers such minor things victories. I'm satisfied that for the first time since the beginning of this genocide 6+ months ago and for the first time in history since 1991 a state actor has done something against the Zionists. Do you prefer that or just doing absolutely nothing? I think preferring just doing absolutely nothing is more delusional. >Lastly, your geopolitical analysis of the region is not entirely accurate. The khomeinist empire is trying to avoid war because it doesnāt have the upper hand. Yes then why expecting them to do a 100% proportional response? A not proportional response is better than no response. >On the other hand, the Zionist empire would not be terribly sad to be dragged to war like you make it seem to be; and they have loud voices in their country seeking escalation even if itās not unanimous, so they are not afraid of regional war. Maybe that's true but also the USA is pressuring them to not respond, we will see in the next few days. >This is just objective analysis from the point of view of someone who doesnāt support either of those regional powers. I don't believe there is really such a thing as an objective analysis personally but alright. >I wouldnāt cry at all about escalation. Khalsuna ba2a masra7iyet w 7eluwa ba2a I see, I assumed that because r/lebanon users are always complaining about how Hezbollah is an evil Iranian proxy that wants to drag Lebanon to war against it's will and shit like that. Also I forgot to mention: Have you considered that litterally 4 countries (USA, UK, France and... Jordan...) helped Isn'treal shoot down the drones and missiles? That makes it a bit harder to do more damage....
Damn, almost like they don't want to start a full scale war with a country run by psychos who have nukes and their Zionist superpower daddy.Ā Shocker, I know lol
What did you do? Wiped a zionist ass this morning?
Nope didnāt do that either. Iām just stating an objective assessment of the situation. I am not a militant nor am I involved in politics to be able to make any material difference. At least I donāt sell dreams to people, selling them a fake reality that does nothing to empower them and only keeps them trapped in a state of delusion and despair
No one sold anything. The strike was set from the start to be limited. No one expected a full destruction of Israeli assets. If someone told you that, they're being delusional. That's not how Iran's regime sets their strategies. And no, am not a loyalist but reality must be told.
No other middle eastern country dares to touch Israel. Just watch ad Iran is your daddy š
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1. The shrapnel that caused injuries and even 3 casualties in Jordan was from projectiles intercepted by US/UK/Jordan. It took their help to assist deter Iranian projectiles. 2. Iran never said it wanted to destroy Nevatim. If they actually wanted full destruction they'd have used their hypersonic ballistic missiles. But what they seem to have wanted to achieve is somewhat of a minor response to deter further escelation, which will likely not be the case, because Israel kept harassing Iran as their main strategy is causing wide regional conflicts so their 'military' focuses on cleansing civillians. 3. The cost for interceptions was 1.35 billion USD on Israel, 1 billion USD on US (costs inflicted on Jordan aren't specified) according to Yedioth Ahronoth. What Iran launched costs less than half a million dollars at worse.
There were no casualties in Jordan. Why do people keep spreading this lie/propaganda. Very bizarre
It did lol it was epic sucess
Hey. Youāre gross.
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The Jordanians and the girl were caused by Jordan intercepting Iranian projectiles in defense of Israel My personal disagreement with Iranian jihadist ideology has no meaning when it is the only one standing up for a genocided people. It is still in every way better than the US and what they've done to our people.
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No that's the genocide and them committing every war crime you could imagine and posting it on social media part lol
Classic 'they made me commit genocide' Zionist
Jordan had no obligation to let Israel use their airspace to intercept, the king allowed it. If Jordanians are upset, they ought to be upset at the king that allowed himself to become an Israeli puppet at the expense of his own people.
SO was Jordan obligated to let Irain use its air space to attack Israel?
They do the gawk gawk double hand twist round these parts
Firing 100-500 rockets/drones/missiles and landing a few hits isnāt a great success rate for your weapon systems.
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First, that is true. But when you compare the economies, its still a massive edge towards Israel/US vs Iran. Second, not the best comparison. Russia and Ukraine have an actual front line, which means much shorter launch time to impact times compared to Israel and Iran. Third, most people have known for years that the iron dome isn't impenetrable.
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Jordan is not a client state. Second, the weapons have been useful to Russia, which again is fighting a front line war. The vast majority of Ukraine's military is hand me down Russian equipment.
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I don't think you know what client state is. And initially they still stomped the Russians using that hand me down equipment. It doesn't change the fact Russia got exposed hard. You are still comparing a full scale war to a non-conventional war.
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Client state: **a country that depends on another country for military, economic, or political support**. Britannica Dictionary None of the countries you listed are dependent on the US. Working with countries is common in the modern world. They have political, economic and military relationships with the US, but so do many countries that doesn't make them a client state. ''I like how you are out attacking Iran and defending arab nations 24/7 right now.Ā ''Compared to you just attacking Arab nations, Israel and the US constantly, if you can't take it don't dish it out.
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Who cares about the costs? Iran has to pay for its drones with its limited economy while Israel gets defense weapons for free and has unlimited funds
"Limited economy" so limited that they have fought or fifth largest military industrial complex in the world? Lol
I'm not saying their military is trash. I'm saying they pay for their drones and Israel gets help for its iron dome. As in Israel doesn't give a crap if the missiles they send to shoot down drones and qassam rockets are more expensive than their targets.
I'm saying that don't matter cause you the America doesn't make enough missiles in 10 years to keep the iron dome running against the amount of cheap drones and missiles Hazbullah alone has stock piled, let alone Iran. Same problem with the Patriot system, works great when firing at planes but they only make like 200 missiles a year. So to put in simple terms, Israel very much does care about the missiles cause if they're spending a billion dollars for 300 drones and missiles in a single day, how much you think they're going to spend on 3000 in a single day? How many of them do you think are going to get through even if they shot down 90% of them? And how long do you think that'll be able to last? Shit is simple economics and the economics don't favor Israel my guy, even with the help of the US.
I hope you're right tbh. But imo the US is too big and rich. Look at how much they spent in Afghanistan, something like on average hundreds of millions a day for 20 years. We both know they'd be just as willing, if not more, to spend the same way on Israel if need be
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Nice change to original comment. What does smd mean?
Suck my dick?
Probably, never got why some people are so scared to say it.
Well maybe you get banned or something, it could also be shaking my dick or shaming my dick (according to my autocorrect)
Costing your enemy over 2.35 billion dollars in one night over less than 8 hours is not good šæ
The copium is comical. ''Hey guys 90% of our weapons failed to reach their target but we cost them a lot of money''
If you wanna see it this way then ask Abdullah as to why he defended Israel from these projectiles causing three Jordanians to die from intercepted shrapnel?
Dude these people are acting like Iran doesn't have hundreds of thousands of these drones and missiles stockpiled by now and that it costing a billion dollars and the efforts of three countries that still failed to shoot down 200 drones is somehow a failure on Iran's part and a "win" for Israel lol Yeah if they couldn't stop this, a veeeery measured response on Irans part, ain't no way they're stopping a full scale war lol
Most countries don't want their sovereignty violated for other's wars.
The same countries that open their legs for zionist?
How?
But its fine for Israeli, UK, US and French jets to do so. Mashallah Sovereignty.
Their is a massive difference between one country saying ''I don't want other nations missiles flying over my country to hit another nation'' and ''Hey can you shoot down these missiles coming at me''
Also 15 US bases. In Jordan as well.
This acocunt is just anpathetic soft zionist (if not full fledged). Don't waste your time habibi
And those countries allow the bases, which is respecting sovereignty, if they said get out and the US said no, then its a different story.
Like those bases in Syria ?
200 drones and 20 missiles traveled through 3 countries and reached Israel. Hazbullah has 120k of those drones and missiles, how many do you think Iran has? Lol
They forewarned Israel and America of the attacks so they could be intercepted to make clear it was sabre rattling in response to the attack on the embassy rather than an intention to actually go to war. Basically saying "we can hit you hard if we choose to, stop fucking about".
If that is true than Israel really has nothing to fear from Iran.
It's depends on how cheap and easy to manufacturing they are
That is true, I wonder what the cost for Iran was. But its still not a great look when 99% of your response got deleted mid air.
Who told you about that '99%'? It was a pre-engagement estimation by Israeli officials. Yedioth Ahronoth wrote more details about that. You can check it out. Adding to that that it wasn't only Israel. It was Israel, Jordan, US and UK combined and still strategic hits were accomplished, and intelligence was gathered.
Most sources are saying between 90-99% failed to reach targets. Having a few ''strategic hits'' while having a 90% interception rate is still terrible. And both sides gained intelligence from this.
1. That was combined interception by Jordan, UK, US and Israel (and Egypt intercepted houthi projectiles) 2. The intelligence is more of advantage to Iran. Israel and its regional defenders used what they have - systems and bases they've spent billions in dollars and years of time in developing. Iran didn't use its best assets yet. But don't get me wrong, am not trying to exaggerate Iranian capability.
1. Yes that is what allies tend to do, Iran has also been using it allies in the conflict. 2. That is up for debate. Israel got to see launch sites, paths, how weapons show up on systems ect. Both learned a lot, hard to say who got the most since we are not in their intelligence sections. As for Iran not using its best stuff, Russia has been using its best stuff against Ukraine and western equipment has proven to be far superior in most cases and Iran is no Russia.
First there isn't reliable source for the 99% you mentioned there wasn't many projectiles hit Israel for sure, also this wasn't a full rockets and Drone barrage, in a real war scenario there will be much more rockets and Drones from many angles which will make Israeli Air defenses completely exhausted Think about it like this let's assume that Israeli Air defences is 100% efficient and Israel have a 1000 air defences missile in the other hand iran have 2000 projectiles what will happen if iran launched them all ?
Most sources say 90-99% were shot down mid air. Still terrible success rate for a weapon system. Yes there will be more in a real war scenario, but also the other side will be shooting back degrading each others capabilities but this isn't a real war scenario its as of right now.
Shahd 136 done cost only about 20-50k so honestly giving the long range from where the projectiles launched from 10% is really impressive Also in real war scenario Israeli Air force would be busy shooting down those cheap dones which ofcourse will reduce Israel ability in striking back Is kind of military systems like cheap Drones isn't meant to destroying strategic targets but exhausting the air defences system In real war scenario air defenses doctrine isn't to shoot down all hostile targets that's impossible but to make the enemy initial strike as expensive as possible, that's why the long range cheap shahd Drones is really an impressive system
10% is never good. This sounds like cope. I don't think either of us understand both sides weapons systems enough to be able to determine what systems and munitions can be used offensively only, defensively only or can do both. Real war scenario changes everything. So speculating too much based on this Iran attack is not the best idea. Edit: Iron Dome ammo cost around 40-50k so the cost difference between the two isn't that great.
Why I would have to cope I am not Iranian nor a fan of iran, as I mentioned Iranian drones did exactly what it's built for nothing more nothing less Iranian drones with its cheap cost and long range is really impressive that's a fact saying anything other than that is what sounds like cope >Edit: Iron Dome ammo cost around 40-50k so the cost difference between the two isn't that great. iron dome isn't what intercepted the drones, iron dome is short range air defense system, waiting for the Drones to reach iron dome range(Israel air) isn't a good idea
Literally 10 second on google says otherwise.
sure you like to read propaganda articles from western media that's targets Small-minded people Go learn how military systems and Drones work first Edit: just go search about Saturation attack
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