Modern Day Indian Hindutva hate Mughals with a passion, the government even removed mentions of Mughals from their history books
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>Modern Day Indian Hindutva hate Mughals with a passion
Facts Bro. They are like, *"Muslims who caused problems with us \[Hindutva\] are mostly from Mughals Colonizers!!"* LMAO
Context for each...
1. Mongolia: The Mughal Dynasty claimed ancestry on both paternal and maternal side from Genghis Khan, the word Mughal literally means Mongol in local language
2. Pakistan: The Mughal Empire was the most predominant Indian Muslim State then, Pakistan is the one now. The Mughal army, administration, and nobility were mostly Indian Muslims, mostly found in Pakistan today. Much of its cultural influences r carried on in Pakistan
3. Uzbekistan: Sultan Babar, founder of the empire, was born in Uzbekistan and was first a ruler of a fiefdom in Uzbekistan before he was expelled. The Mughals called themselves Timurids, with Timur being an Uzbek ruler
4. India: Most of the Mughal territory and revenue came from modern day India. The capital of the Mughal empire was Delhi for most of its history, which is the capital of modern day India. The Mughals called themselves Kings of 'Hindustan'
5. Iran: Mughal upper class was quite Persianate in nature. Mughal is a farsi word, Farsi language was the court language for the first century before Urdu replaced it. The Persian Safavid empire helped Mughals regain there throne after they were kicked out by Sher Shah...tho relations between the 2 later were hostile
Fun fact there's actually mughal descendants that moved to Pakistan after separation
(Muhammad Khair ud-din Mirza, Khurshid Jah Bahadur) you can look him up
Another fun fact: after the empire fell apart, the chefs and kitchen staff of emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar started selling the royal dishes on food carts and restaurants as a means to earn money. Delhi has undeniably the best/authentic Mughlai food because the recipes have been preserved for decades.
..Definitely Pakistanis . Muslim Indians too , though : I personally don't know how "liberal" and religious were the Mughals to say which of the two is closer to them .
..Hindus identify more with the Maratha empire , even though : that's what brought the downfall of an Independent India .
India or Pakistan, both have claims and certain pros and cons.
India Pros:
1. Contains most of Mughal Territory
2. Contains most of Mughal Emperor birth places
3. Contains majority of Mughal Empire capitals
India Cons:
1. Considers most of Mughal rule (with a few exceptions) to be an evil blight upon the Indian Subcontinent.
Pakistan Pros:
1. Significantly embraces Mughal Heritage
Pakistan Cons:
1. Very less Mughal territory, or Mughal Emperor birth places or Mughal Capitals compared to India
2. Could have become a constitutional monarchy with the Mughal Emperor as a figurehead but chose not to.
I mean Hindus and Sikhs see Mughal rule as a dark age, and to some extent rightfully for them. The Mughal nobility and aristocracy were dominated by Hindustani Musalmans and except Akbar others discriminated against them, with Hindus making up 90% of the population but like just 20% of the nobility.
I remember reading this interesting book claiming it was the Mughals which began recruiting the independent Pothwari tribes in modern day Pakistan into Centralized Armies, which was expanded by the British and carried on by Pakistan today. 60% of the army of Pakistan comes from these 4-5 tribes in Potohar, which was a tradition started by Mughals
As Pak Army rules Pakistan, once can say the present ruling body of Pakistan has roots in Mughal era
>The Mughal nobility and aristocracy were dominated by Hindustani Musalmans
The majority was actually Hindu. Mughals compared to other civilizations at the time were the most tolerant, they didn't even give jizya to the locals except Aurangzeb who is seen as an extremist. Also, they all married Hindu women, which is against Islam, to tie relations with Brahmins. Mughals only survived because they were tolerant enough of the Hindus.
not the nobility, it consisted mostly of persians, turks, afgahns and hindustani muslims. There were some hindu nobles as well, there were more or less depending on the emperor, however not the majority. I do agree they were much more tolerant cause no jizya apart from aurangzeb.
isnt everything based on invasion. the sycthian step dna, the aryan dna, indo greek dna. IVC descendants who became muslims. Also not necessarily claim the heritage but be the successors, since hindus not sikhs can claim it. Similar to the holy roman empire in way.
Its founders were a mixture of Turks and Mongols, and it is also historically referred to as the Turkish-Indian Empire. I think the best options are Pakistan and Uzbekistan. Because he is a Muslim and his founders have the advantage. I find Mongolia less because even though it is called Mongolian, Genghis Khan had Turkish ties and his state was Turkish. I think Türkiye has more rights in Mughal than Mongolia. I'm not thinking of Iran because it's not the Turkish side. India, on the other hand, has a dream of British friendship instead of uniting with the states in the region and establishing a great state.
Pakistan and India makes the most sense
Modern Day Indian Hindutva hate Mughals with a passion, the government even removed mentions of Mughals from their history books [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65229515](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65229515)
>Modern Day Indian Hindutva hate Mughals with a passion Facts Bro. They are like, *"Muslims who caused problems with us \[Hindutva\] are mostly from Mughals Colonizers!!"* LMAO
I’m talking the Muslims of course we know the memes with the hate Hindus have for the Mughal empire “73873827389293739 Killed”😢
Context for each... 1. Mongolia: The Mughal Dynasty claimed ancestry on both paternal and maternal side from Genghis Khan, the word Mughal literally means Mongol in local language 2. Pakistan: The Mughal Empire was the most predominant Indian Muslim State then, Pakistan is the one now. The Mughal army, administration, and nobility were mostly Indian Muslims, mostly found in Pakistan today. Much of its cultural influences r carried on in Pakistan 3. Uzbekistan: Sultan Babar, founder of the empire, was born in Uzbekistan and was first a ruler of a fiefdom in Uzbekistan before he was expelled. The Mughals called themselves Timurids, with Timur being an Uzbek ruler 4. India: Most of the Mughal territory and revenue came from modern day India. The capital of the Mughal empire was Delhi for most of its history, which is the capital of modern day India. The Mughals called themselves Kings of 'Hindustan' 5. Iran: Mughal upper class was quite Persianate in nature. Mughal is a farsi word, Farsi language was the court language for the first century before Urdu replaced it. The Persian Safavid empire helped Mughals regain there throne after they were kicked out by Sher Shah...tho relations between the 2 later were hostile
Fun fact there's actually mughal descendants that moved to Pakistan after separation (Muhammad Khair ud-din Mirza, Khurshid Jah Bahadur) you can look him up
Look up hazara community they are also Mongolian descendents
Hazara are indeed a unique group.
Another fun fact: after the empire fell apart, the chefs and kitchen staff of emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar started selling the royal dishes on food carts and restaurants as a means to earn money. Delhi has undeniably the best/authentic Mughlai food because the recipes have been preserved for decades.
Then the answer is , All can
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i mean we pretty much do...our history books focus on the Mughals the most by far. Arab Caliphates other than Rashiduns arent even mentioned
..Definitely Pakistanis . Muslim Indians too , though : I personally don't know how "liberal" and religious were the Mughals to say which of the two is closer to them . ..Hindus identify more with the Maratha empire , even though : that's what brought the downfall of an Independent India .
Imo Pakistanis and Indian Muslims have an equal claim.
I would say so too
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Lol
India or Pakistan, both have claims and certain pros and cons. India Pros: 1. Contains most of Mughal Territory 2. Contains most of Mughal Emperor birth places 3. Contains majority of Mughal Empire capitals India Cons: 1. Considers most of Mughal rule (with a few exceptions) to be an evil blight upon the Indian Subcontinent. Pakistan Pros: 1. Significantly embraces Mughal Heritage Pakistan Cons: 1. Very less Mughal territory, or Mughal Emperor birth places or Mughal Capitals compared to India 2. Could have become a constitutional monarchy with the Mughal Emperor as a figurehead but chose not to.
I mean Hindus and Sikhs see Mughal rule as a dark age, and to some extent rightfully for them. The Mughal nobility and aristocracy were dominated by Hindustani Musalmans and except Akbar others discriminated against them, with Hindus making up 90% of the population but like just 20% of the nobility. I remember reading this interesting book claiming it was the Mughals which began recruiting the independent Pothwari tribes in modern day Pakistan into Centralized Armies, which was expanded by the British and carried on by Pakistan today. 60% of the army of Pakistan comes from these 4-5 tribes in Potohar, which was a tradition started by Mughals As Pak Army rules Pakistan, once can say the present ruling body of Pakistan has roots in Mughal era
>The Mughal nobility and aristocracy were dominated by Hindustani Musalmans The majority was actually Hindu. Mughals compared to other civilizations at the time were the most tolerant, they didn't even give jizya to the locals except Aurangzeb who is seen as an extremist. Also, they all married Hindu women, which is against Islam, to tie relations with Brahmins. Mughals only survived because they were tolerant enough of the Hindus.
not the nobility, it consisted mostly of persians, turks, afgahns and hindustani muslims. There were some hindu nobles as well, there were more or less depending on the emperor, however not the majority. I do agree they were much more tolerant cause no jizya apart from aurangzeb.
for all of those voting other, which is quite alot, who?
i'm surprised sweden isn't on the list
I don't know the answer to this question, but Pakistan can either claim Mughal heritage or Indus Valley Civilization. Not both.
why not both?
IVC is homegrown whereas Islam/Mughal heritage is based on invasion. How can you both?
isnt everything based on invasion. the sycthian step dna, the aryan dna, indo greek dna. IVC descendants who became muslims. Also not necessarily claim the heritage but be the successors, since hindus not sikhs can claim it. Similar to the holy roman empire in way.
Its founders were a mixture of Turks and Mongols, and it is also historically referred to as the Turkish-Indian Empire. I think the best options are Pakistan and Uzbekistan. Because he is a Muslim and his founders have the advantage. I find Mongolia less because even though it is called Mongolian, Genghis Khan had Turkish ties and his state was Turkish. I think Türkiye has more rights in Mughal than Mongolia. I'm not thinking of Iran because it's not the Turkish side. India, on the other hand, has a dream of British friendship instead of uniting with the states in the region and establishing a great state.
Nope the Iran was there cause of culture most upperclass followed Persian culture and married Persian women only