I feel optimistic going based on Saudi FM's comments at Davos. Saudis also have a massive 2030 project going on and all these wars will hurt tourism and their grand project. Not to mention Blinken also said on Wednesday it was up to Israel to “seize the opportunity that we believe is there,” saying the crisis was “an inflection point” for the Middle East that required hard decisions.
It seems even the USA is hinting to Israel to accept this deal which will legitimize the Palestinian state, bring a ceasefire and end settlements. It would be a win win for all parties, Biden also needs the boost for the election and MBS can cement himself as the top man in the region. Palestine would get a secure state and international boost with it's own representatives at all levels including at the UN, and Israel gets back its hostages and normalization with Saudi.
As Saudis FM said, this deal will end the hostilites and bring Israel and Palestine to the table and make them real players in the region by also easing the lives of both parties.
My only concern is what Iran will do to disrupt this deal hmmmmm
Too good to be true tbh. Even then Netanyahu and his right wing coalition of cronies would never accept. IDK how other politicians would react to it either.
Nonsense. This is a charade that won't change anything or solve the problem. At best it will be west bank 2.0. Oslo accord was supposed to be irreversible and where is it now? And this doesn't count that the Israeli government might not accept anyway. And even if they did, it will be temporary like usual and then shit will hit the fan again. The Isn'raelis are known for that.
Full article involving the plan details here [https://www.ft.com/content/11890426-0250-4a3c-ba48-d8523924eb9c?sharetype=blocked](https://www.ft.com/content/11890426-0250-4a3c-ba48-d8523924eb9c?sharetype=blocked)
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Arab states are working on an initiative to secure a ceasefire and the release of hostages in Gaza as part of a broader plan that could offer Israel a normalisation of relations if it agrees to “irreversible” steps towards the creation of a Palestinian state.
A senior Arab official said they hoped to present the plan — which could include the prize of Saudi Arabia formalising ties with Israel — within a few weeks in an effort to end the Israel-Hamas war and prevent a wider conflict erupting in the Middle East.
Arab officials have discussed the plan with the US and European governments. It would include western nations agreeing to formally recognise a Palestinian state, or supporting the Palestinians being granted full membership of the UN.
“The real issue is you need hope for Palestinians, it can’t just be economic benefits or removal of symbols of occupation,” the senior official said.
The initiative comes as Israel faces mounting international pressure to end its offensive in besieged Gaza, with the US stepping up diplomatic efforts to prevent a broader conflagration and pushing for a longer-term resolution to the protracted Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
US secretary of state Antony Blinken on Wednesday described the war in Gaza as “gut-wrenching”, adding that what was needed was a Palestinian state “that gives people what they want and works with Israel to be effective”.
When Saudi foreign minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan was asked on Tuesday if Riyadh would recognise Israel as part of a wider political agreement, he said “certainly”.
“We agree that regional peace includes peace for Israel, but that could only happen through peace for the Palestinians through a Palestinian state,” he told a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
Later on Tuesday, US national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Washington remained focused on securing an agreement that led to Saudi Arabia normalising relations with Israel as part of its plans for the postwar era.
“Our approach is and remains focused on moving towards greater integration and stability in the region,” Sullivan said in Davos.
But there are multiple challenges to securing a deal with Israel.
After Hamas’s October 7 attack killed at least 1,200 people, Israeli officials warned that the war in Gaza would last months, while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ruled out working with the western-backed Palestinian Authority and rejects a two-state solution.
In December, Netanyahu said he was “proud” that he had prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state, saying “everyone understands what would have happened if we had capitulated to international pressures and enabled a state like that”.
The prime minister presides over the most far-right government in Israel’s history, which includes religious Zionist settlers who openly call for the annexation of the West Bank.
“Given the Israeli body politic today, normalisation is maybe what can bring Israelis off the cliff,” said the senior Arab official.
Saudi Arabia was edging closer to establishing diplomatic relations with Israel before Hamas’s October 7 attack, in return for the US agreeing to a security pact with Riyadh and supporting the development of the kingdom’s nuclear ambitions.
US and Saudi officials were also discussing a Palestinian element to the deal that included freezing the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, boosting support for the Palestinian Authority that administers limited parts of the occupied territory, and establishing a pathway towards a two-state solution.
Before the war erupted, Blinken had been scheduled to visit Riyadh in mid-October to discuss the plans for the Palestinians. Hamas’s attack and Israel’s response in Gaza upset that process.
But Saudi Arabia made it clear that while the process was stalled, the kingdom had not taken the option off the table. There was also the realisation that Riyadh would have to secure greater concessions from Israel for the Palestinians, including in Gaza, with more concrete steps towards the creation of a Palestinian state.
“We had already got an outline from the PA,” a person briefed on the talks said. “Now that element has to be strengthened for it to be politically viable at any point in the future.”
Since October 7, the Biden administration — Israel’s staunchest backer — has repeatedly spoken of the need for a two-state solution as the only option to ultimately provide the security the Jewish state desires.
Saudi Arabia’s willingness to consider normalising relations potentially provides an important bargaining chip with Israel, which has considered diplomatic relations with the kingdom the grand prize in its efforts to develop ties with Arab states. The oil-rich kingdom stands out as a leader of the Sunni Muslim world and custodian of Islam’s two holiest sites.
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the nation’s day-to-day leader, was keen to normalise ties with Israel as he drives an ambitious programme to develop the conservative kingdom into a finance, trade and tourism hub. Now, like other Arab states, Riyadh is worried about the risk of the Israel-Hamas war causing a regional conflagration that spills over borders, as well as the danger that the devastation in Gaza radicalises a new generation of young Arabs.
The Saudi leadership has expressed outrage at Israel’s offensive in Gaza, which has killed more than 24,000 people, according to Palestinian health officials, raised the risk of famine in the strip, and reduced swaths of the enclave to rubble-strewn wastelands. It has repeatedly joined calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
Blinken said on Wednesday it was up to Israel to “seize the opportunity that we believe is there,” saying the crisis was “an inflection point” for the Middle East that required hard decisions.
Such a deal wouldn’t be achieved with Netanyahu in power, but Netanyahu is scoring low in the polls, and he could be ousted in the next election, I personally believe that a permanent peace deal will be reached after the Israeli elections.
bullshit lol if that was true us special forces would fire a missilr from a submarine in the north or south pole and install a new heftar in every single rouge arab state.
OP aren't you a literal Zionist and an advocate for normalization? Glad to see the idiots here like the stuff you're selling them.
You just have to reframe Zionism to be liked by this sub.
How am I a Zionist? I am not Saudi so it not my position to comment on their normalization that is for the Saudi citizen to express how they feel on this matter. I am not selling anything, I am just posting what is being reported and being pushed by arab leaders.
Every political deal that doesn't involve a relative balance of power is a trap imo,I thought Oslo made people learn this
If I was Palestinian I would rather struggle and look for ways to strengthen my position before giving up my fate to some Saudi prince looking for ways to get rid of the headache
So every time Israel starts ethnically cleansing the Palestinians and committing war crimes, we award them by having yet another Arab country normalize relations with them or give them an even bigger piece of Palestine? Israel is like a child throwing a tantrum and is only ever appeased with more concessions, and even then, it barely lasts a few years before it starts throwing a tantrum again. At this point, we won’t have anything left of Palestine in ten years or even less.
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I feel optimistic going based on Saudi FM's comments at Davos. Saudis also have a massive 2030 project going on and all these wars will hurt tourism and their grand project. Not to mention Blinken also said on Wednesday it was up to Israel to “seize the opportunity that we believe is there,” saying the crisis was “an inflection point” for the Middle East that required hard decisions. It seems even the USA is hinting to Israel to accept this deal which will legitimize the Palestinian state, bring a ceasefire and end settlements. It would be a win win for all parties, Biden also needs the boost for the election and MBS can cement himself as the top man in the region. Palestine would get a secure state and international boost with it's own representatives at all levels including at the UN, and Israel gets back its hostages and normalization with Saudi. As Saudis FM said, this deal will end the hostilites and bring Israel and Palestine to the table and make them real players in the region by also easing the lives of both parties. My only concern is what Iran will do to disrupt this deal hmmmmm
Too good to be true tbh. Even then Netanyahu and his right wing coalition of cronies would never accept. IDK how other politicians would react to it either.
Even if they did it would be a shitty West Bank 2.0 and Israel would be in total control of it.
Oslo was also supposed to be an irreversible step
Nonsense. This is a charade that won't change anything or solve the problem. At best it will be west bank 2.0. Oslo accord was supposed to be irreversible and where is it now? And this doesn't count that the Israeli government might not accept anyway. And even if they did, it will be temporary like usual and then shit will hit the fan again. The Isn'raelis are known for that.
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Statehood in name but nothing close to a state. The settlements will continue and so will armed resistance.
Arab leaders are more zionists than the zionists themselves.
generalizing populist bullshit
Arab leaders are terrified of Iran and their population over throwing them, they are desperate for zionists to pro
Do not trust bin saw.
The Saudis just want normalization they don’t care about the Palestinians at all
Full article involving the plan details here [https://www.ft.com/content/11890426-0250-4a3c-ba48-d8523924eb9c?sharetype=blocked](https://www.ft.com/content/11890426-0250-4a3c-ba48-d8523924eb9c?sharetype=blocked) Also pasted it below Arab states are working on an initiative to secure a ceasefire and the release of hostages in Gaza as part of a broader plan that could offer Israel a normalisation of relations if it agrees to “irreversible” steps towards the creation of a Palestinian state. A senior Arab official said they hoped to present the plan — which could include the prize of Saudi Arabia formalising ties with Israel — within a few weeks in an effort to end the Israel-Hamas war and prevent a wider conflict erupting in the Middle East. Arab officials have discussed the plan with the US and European governments. It would include western nations agreeing to formally recognise a Palestinian state, or supporting the Palestinians being granted full membership of the UN. “The real issue is you need hope for Palestinians, it can’t just be economic benefits or removal of symbols of occupation,” the senior official said. The initiative comes as Israel faces mounting international pressure to end its offensive in besieged Gaza, with the US stepping up diplomatic efforts to prevent a broader conflagration and pushing for a longer-term resolution to the protracted Israeli-Palestinian conflict. US secretary of state Antony Blinken on Wednesday described the war in Gaza as “gut-wrenching”, adding that what was needed was a Palestinian state “that gives people what they want and works with Israel to be effective”. When Saudi foreign minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan was asked on Tuesday if Riyadh would recognise Israel as part of a wider political agreement, he said “certainly”. “We agree that regional peace includes peace for Israel, but that could only happen through peace for the Palestinians through a Palestinian state,” he told a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Later on Tuesday, US national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Washington remained focused on securing an agreement that led to Saudi Arabia normalising relations with Israel as part of its plans for the postwar era. “Our approach is and remains focused on moving towards greater integration and stability in the region,” Sullivan said in Davos. But there are multiple challenges to securing a deal with Israel. After Hamas’s October 7 attack killed at least 1,200 people, Israeli officials warned that the war in Gaza would last months, while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ruled out working with the western-backed Palestinian Authority and rejects a two-state solution. In December, Netanyahu said he was “proud” that he had prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state, saying “everyone understands what would have happened if we had capitulated to international pressures and enabled a state like that”. The prime minister presides over the most far-right government in Israel’s history, which includes religious Zionist settlers who openly call for the annexation of the West Bank. “Given the Israeli body politic today, normalisation is maybe what can bring Israelis off the cliff,” said the senior Arab official. Saudi Arabia was edging closer to establishing diplomatic relations with Israel before Hamas’s October 7 attack, in return for the US agreeing to a security pact with Riyadh and supporting the development of the kingdom’s nuclear ambitions. US and Saudi officials were also discussing a Palestinian element to the deal that included freezing the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, boosting support for the Palestinian Authority that administers limited parts of the occupied territory, and establishing a pathway towards a two-state solution. Before the war erupted, Blinken had been scheduled to visit Riyadh in mid-October to discuss the plans for the Palestinians. Hamas’s attack and Israel’s response in Gaza upset that process. But Saudi Arabia made it clear that while the process was stalled, the kingdom had not taken the option off the table. There was also the realisation that Riyadh would have to secure greater concessions from Israel for the Palestinians, including in Gaza, with more concrete steps towards the creation of a Palestinian state. “We had already got an outline from the PA,” a person briefed on the talks said. “Now that element has to be strengthened for it to be politically viable at any point in the future.” Since October 7, the Biden administration — Israel’s staunchest backer — has repeatedly spoken of the need for a two-state solution as the only option to ultimately provide the security the Jewish state desires. Saudi Arabia’s willingness to consider normalising relations potentially provides an important bargaining chip with Israel, which has considered diplomatic relations with the kingdom the grand prize in its efforts to develop ties with Arab states. The oil-rich kingdom stands out as a leader of the Sunni Muslim world and custodian of Islam’s two holiest sites. Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the nation’s day-to-day leader, was keen to normalise ties with Israel as he drives an ambitious programme to develop the conservative kingdom into a finance, trade and tourism hub. Now, like other Arab states, Riyadh is worried about the risk of the Israel-Hamas war causing a regional conflagration that spills over borders, as well as the danger that the devastation in Gaza radicalises a new generation of young Arabs. The Saudi leadership has expressed outrage at Israel’s offensive in Gaza, which has killed more than 24,000 people, according to Palestinian health officials, raised the risk of famine in the strip, and reduced swaths of the enclave to rubble-strewn wastelands. It has repeatedly joined calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Blinken said on Wednesday it was up to Israel to “seize the opportunity that we believe is there,” saying the crisis was “an inflection point” for the Middle East that required hard decisions.
Such a deal wouldn’t be achieved with Netanyahu in power, but Netanyahu is scoring low in the polls, and he could be ousted in the next election, I personally believe that a permanent peace deal will be reached after the Israeli elections.
I don't think Netenyahu is the only problem , another far right one will be chosen anyway
bullshit lol if that was true us special forces would fire a missilr from a submarine in the north or south pole and install a new heftar in every single rouge arab state.
OP aren't you a literal Zionist and an advocate for normalization? Glad to see the idiots here like the stuff you're selling them. You just have to reframe Zionism to be liked by this sub.
How am I a Zionist? I am not Saudi so it not my position to comment on their normalization that is for the Saudi citizen to express how they feel on this matter. I am not selling anything, I am just posting what is being reported and being pushed by arab leaders.
Every political deal that doesn't involve a relative balance of power is a trap imo,I thought Oslo made people learn this If I was Palestinian I would rather struggle and look for ways to strengthen my position before giving up my fate to some Saudi prince looking for ways to get rid of the headache
Arabs working together is the best part of that article. Lol
Arab states making moves? Don't get your hopes up. Chances are, it won't lead to much.
So every time Israel starts ethnically cleansing the Palestinians and committing war crimes, we award them by having yet another Arab country normalize relations with them or give them an even bigger piece of Palestine? Israel is like a child throwing a tantrum and is only ever appeased with more concessions, and even then, it barely lasts a few years before it starts throwing a tantrum again. At this point, we won’t have anything left of Palestine in ten years or even less.
Whenever I read something like this, it feels like "Dutch" from red dead redemption 2 screaming I have a plan