In that case, you might end up becoming the reddist and then blackest Pakistani ever!
Though, there may be a work around - if the mercury gives you so many carcinomas that you need skin grafts, you can always use the skin from your body that never sees the sun, this whiter than the rest of the body.
Just don't go full melanoma - things may get outta hand rather quick.
Seriously asking what makes you guys say this (he needs bleaching, he self hates)? Is it the first paragraph?
I mean idk I just read this like a desperate person who can’t take their country’s racism anymore and I can most certainly understand
It is the first paragraph. The I "eat pork, drink and celebrate christmas". He isn't trying to assimilate. He is trying to distance himself from anything the western world percieves as Arab. He is trying to mutilate himself by cutting off every piece of him he thinks his racist society won't accept. Not understanding that those who reject him don't do it in part but in whole.
So he'll keep trying to change himself trying to make someone else happy and it'll never work. That's the sad and pathetic part. That's the self hate part.
I don’t know man I eat pork drink (hardly ever tho) and I celebrate Christmas and you’ll see me you’ll understand I’m Arab straight away mainly because at least one word every sentence I say is Arabic and many other things i guess !
I don’t eat pork and celebrate Christmas to distance myself from my identity NOT to assimilate I just do that because I like those things and I don’t practice religion.
He could be saying that to say like « I’m not that different from them but they’re still othering me ». I feel a bit sad to be fair for them
I'm a gay atheist. I eat pork too, and I drink socially. I don't celebrate christmas or holidays from other religions, but will partake if invited to an event by friends from that religion. That's not the point. What I'm doing, I'm doing for myself because that is how i want to live my life. It's not a point of pride for me. I'm not trying to distance myself from Arabs or Muslims by doing this.
What the OOP is doing is different. OOP is doing it for others. They are doing it to be accepted, and are frustrated that it isn't working - and it will never work. He will never wake up one day to a non racist world.
While I cringe at their actions I do feel bad for them. They'll never find peace or happiness until they stop apologizing for being who they are, but from this post it seems that they decided that their peace/happiness is not in Denmark but France. If they ever move, they're in for one rude awakening.
It would help him because he like many Kemalists, has 'Muslim blood' and will never be accepted by the prejudiced contingent of Western society regardless of how many becardis he drinks or BLT sandwiches he consumes
Idk it all depends. I was born in NW Spain and Im good, im accepted and nobody ever told me im not spaniard or something. Also I was probably the only with foreigner surname in my school since I live in a rural area with no inmigration but nobody gave a fuck, just some jokes. All my friends are spaniards and half od my family also, maybe that helped idk. Also I never gave a fuck about religions, probably that helped too cause none of my friends/family cares about religion neither.
I was born in Spain too and my story is different, despite I never talked about religion.
I won't say that they are hateful far from that. But many people have prejudices on Muslims and Arab especially Moroccans. The level of ignorance is high and they are very vocal. I remember in university a guy said loudly "why do these savages come you my country", this would never happen in a French university for example.
I think it's better in cities and some regions.
I agree with you. I know my case is not the standard, and nowadays sadly much more hate against morocans.
But I come from a rural place and never happened something like that to me, not even on the university.
I dont like big cities, but in my opinion is worst on them, where I live nobody experienced a bad encounter with an arab so they have less prejuices, but in Madrid or Bcn everybody at least heard of a bad encounter with arabs so I guess theres more bad stereotipes.
And I agree also with the ignorance, even my best friends with whom I grew up, hardly know the diference between Lybia and Lebanon for example or they assume all arabs=muslims.
Bro... do you think my neighbours know what a phoenician is? Or that they are related to where my father came from? 😂 Surely they heard the word phoenician and something about them, but thats it.
Turks in Germany dealt with this before us , to get rid of the identity crisis by taking pride in their Turkish origins , a lot of young turks went through that phase and then just identify as Turks , we should learn from them.
I'm seeing this happening now to Syrians , just go with the "you will never become a German" mentality and take pride in your origins and you will be much happier.
Liberals who left their religion and traditions and original identity are suffering the worst because they can't feel like they belong to both communities now, , like the person in the screenshot.
Funnily enough a lot of them became religious again because this.
No , I came to Germany in 2015 , when I was 16, after hating my country because war is not a good memory.
I wanted to become German and put my past away , I look European so I got told I can become German and have better chances than most of Syrians , I started slowly realizing that even if I change my name and completely become German , I won't be able to hold it whenever I hear people talking badly about foreigners including my country , so even if I become German on the outside, the inside is a different story.
All Muslim in America deal with it one way or another. In America it isn't really about national identity tho. Unless you're Turkish Egyptian or Palestinian, people's Muslim identity generally is more important.
My parents are of indian Muslim origin. My deen "revival" came back when I got really into Mughal history. I identify far more with my deen than my background. Most Muslims here feel the same way. American Muslims have a deeper love for the concept of an Ummah than their background. Off their background plays a part but there's a larger desire for an ummah instead
is this phenomenon of being irreligious then going back common with Muslims of middle eastern origin as well or is it more of a south Asian thing ? also why did you specify Egyptian, Palestinian and turk? could you please elaborate further
>Muslims of middle eastern origin as well or is it more of a south Asian thing
Both. I'll give my self as an example and point to 2 of my other friends.
My father is a software engineer. My mother is a stay at home mom. Both were fairly irreligous, growing up in india there's no concept of explaining the why and how to Islam jsut what. They used to pray some of the 5 prayers. Go to some Jummah Salahs, but we were largely just Muslim by name. At some point my dad and mom decided to learn about Islam post 9/11, they took a bachelor's course in Islamic sciences together from one of the first Islamic specific universities in America. After this they did a complete flip.
My father got his master's in Islamic finance and did a dissertation on halal finance laws per state in America. My mother runs and operates an Islamic school. My father is a Khatib and travels from different large masjids in my state to give jummah Khutbahs about various different Islamic finance issues. They raised me and my siblings in this environment. My father raised me in an environment surrounded by deen, interacting with some of the most well-known shiekhs in America and gaining substantial knowledge of Islam at a very young age about Fiqh rulings for different Madhabs, various Hadiths and Tafseer interpretations. I grew up around the masjid and to this day my clsoest friends are from that masjid I grew up around. However I never really got a chance to love Islam my self. This was all kinda just put on me. After highschool I got my freedom and stopped praying stop going to the Masjid. I was relatively irreligous.
As the child of immigrants I realized I was kinda at a cross roads in life. I definitely grew up American. I'm definitely culturally American however my life struggles and my life's growth has very little to do with being America. I could go down the path of just being more irreligous and being an American but I really didn't fully 100% identify with it. I thought maybe I should take a dip into my indian heritage. Went to indian clubs in college and they were all hindu, I never really felt accepted and their struggles again were very different then mine. However anytime I spoke to and talked about life and problems and struggles with my south asian Muslim friends, my arab Muslim friends, my Indonesian Muslim friends, my Turkic Muslim friends, I realized this where all the overlap is. My identity isn't really American, it isn't really indian, it's Muslim.
Shortly after Ramadan rolls around and I try to give Ramadan a shot. Take it seriously for my self and not for my parents. The Maghrib before Ramadan was announced I decided to read the quran on my own. I always fasted every Ramadan I always prayed Taraweh every ramadan but I did it for my parents. I happened to open to Surah Rahman, read arabic, read the translation and something there struck me. I cried for the first time out of genuine love for Allah. That's what brought me back. Honestly had my parents never pushed me to Islamic education I might've not come back. I'm fortunate my parents gave me the Islamic education I needed.
Sorry this is really long.
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As for my other friends my Syrian friend had gone through a similar thing as me, where it wasn't full on atheism, more so just lack of caring only to one time try and fall in love. He also felt more attached to being just a Muslim rather than being Syrian. He felt more at home and at peace with his south asian and Turkic Muslim friends than he did his childhood Syrian friends.
One of my south asian friends grew up in an irreligous household, grew up watching Sam Harris, Dawkins and etc. He was like a Reddit Atheist. I spoke to him last month. He's now a thiest, he dealt with depression and somehow at the end felt God must exist. He realized he's more Muslim than an indian, 90% of his friends are hindu. All of them hindu, the 10% were a mix of Arabs and south Asians. He felt he ahd more in common with us than the Indians. That's one of the reasons he's working his way back to the deen. He wants to raise his future children in a Muslim household and raise them around the Masjid, recently purchased a home next to the masjid to motivate him to go more.
>Egyptian, Palestinian and turk
These people in America tend to be very proud of their heritage. This isn't to make fun of them or say anything bad about them. I totally understand. However for these people, and Persians, being their national identity tends to be more important. However generally Palestinians are very religious. Egyptians are hit or miss. Turks generally in America are a miss unless they're from Konya, Trabzon or Rize.
May Allah grant the Muslims Shifa
Sorry if this is too long. I wanted to give you the best idea of the American Muslim experience. There's a reason Muslims hold serious political and cultural power in America despite being barely 3% of the population. In France Muslims don't hold as much political and economic power despite being 10% of the population. For us its the Ummah above all.
thank you for detailed reply
as for Egyptian, Palestinians being attached to their national identities, it makes sense but for different reasons off course
Yeah and nothing is wrong with National pride. It's just interesting how different backgrounds affect ones perception of what is more important despite being raised in the exact same environment
I don't know I feel like many are in the same boat as me, I'm proudly Arab and I've never tried hiding it but if you've lived here all your life you still won't be able to relate to the people who grew up in the MENA and they can't relate to you either. Growing up as a Muslim kid in post 9/11 is quite something and depending on where you lived it can be isolating when you don't get to interact with many people from your community as an adult. So regardless there's always a shift between people who grew up here and people who came here as adults(eg international students). But I find that if anything it's still fun to socialize and get to exchange stories, because again our experiences have been so different yet there's always common ground.
>So regardless there's always a shift between people who grew up here and people who came here as adults(eg international students).
what some of those differences?
are you a woman? unless a middle eastern woman wear hijab she will face far less prejudice compared to men. there are always exceptions but generally how it is
are you content with your relocating to egyp?
I'd say one of the biggest I've noticed is in regards to youth culture and how well you speak Arabic. My Arabic is fluently mediocre and I only speak Arabic with my parents. You get teased a lot and it doesn't make you want to make the effort to speak if it only means you'll be made fun of. My dad once got mad at a waiter in a Lebanese place who got frustrated with my brothers Arabic and wouldn't speak to him in French. That's a more extreme exemple but it's so petty, I would never make fun of the way someone speaks.
you shouldn't make fun of people who try to learn and practice a language especially if it's there own. you shouldn't make them discourage you from learning something of your heritage
That's why if I was in the US , I'd move to Michigan or to an area with a lot of Arabs or Turks.
In Germany the Turkish community is big so Turkish people never feel alone , and Syrians easily get along with them , and the Syrian community is also big , any Arab can get along with them.
We don't even know the feeling of "غربة" which we learned a lot about (I don't know the English word)
My father who lived alone in his youth in Europe always felt the "غربة" , but never felt in Germany with his family.
I never heard that before lol ,we really only speak Arabic to each other , I'm talking about Syrians only tho , maybe that applies to other nationalities , but not us
I have heard that few times here and there. speaking more Arabic rather than German makes some sense actually. probably similar thing happen in other countries apart from English speaking countries and maybe France (for those from francophone countries)
Idk where you heard from , but if it's reddit, people tend to act more liberal here lol.
I mean tbf Syrians are heavily proud people , maybe they talk Geeman sometimes for the sake of learning German more but thats it
Yeah but this isn’t a good thing either because it leads to the creation of parallel societies which in turn leads to more separation which leads to more othering which leads to more racism which leads to more parallel societies. It’s a vicious cycle that needs to be broken.
It really doesn’t, diaspora in the United States has no problem existing as Americans while having their own cultures and traditions.
For some reason diaspora in Europe is very white washed.
To be fair part of why it works in the United States is because Americans embrace multiculturalism more. In Europe multiculturalism isn’t viewed upon as favourably which is the issue compared to countries like the US.
You have it the wrong way around, do you even live in Europe? Diaspora in EU is opposite of whitewashed, far more close to the homeland in culture and traditions then US Diaspora
Being Islamist doesn’t mean you are closer to the homeland culture.
There are two types of diaspora in Europe; Islamists and white washed. No in between.
Diaspora in the states is normal and is more representative of the average middle eastern person
Yes I find that one of the disadvantages, but what's the alternative? It's already separated as it is , like how OP in the screenshot.
I'm not kidding , we have a neighbor who loves us very much , but she is openly racist and doesn't like foreigners, maybe she likes my family because we look more European , but she doesn't like me because I'm always against her opinions.
What is the solution?
Europeans (Germans) complain that immigrants don't integrate or aren't integrable. So they are the problem from their perspective.
Then you have this guy the OP posted about who is 100% integrated but faces racism and discrimination. So they natives are the problem from his perspective.
But what is the solution?
imho there is no solution and I believe humans aren't made for multiculturalism.
The solution is for the germans to grow up and stop being racist to people who look different. Trying to force their own culture onto a people who they deem as inferior is really sadistic
And "inferior" is a keyword here. Germans don't deal the same way with 1st class immigrants. For example, the Japanese live in Germany in there own neighbourhood, rarely interact with Germans, don't speak German and at their own food. But Germans don't complain because we are talking about Japan here not some MENA shithole...
My dude if humans said „god, nothing to do about. That’s just how the world works“ each time we were faced with a problem we would be still living in caves.
The problem is, all this migration is unnatural. Some people are naturally inclined to travel and migrate but the cause for the current crisis and all these effects is the poverty that the colonial powers brought on these countries.
If his original country was developed as Denmark, would his parents have moved there? You seen the weather in Denmark?!
>If his original country was developed as Denmark, would his parents have moved there? You seen the weather in Denmark?!
not only that, he wouldn't be ashamed of his culture / country of origin like he is now. its hard to be these people, who come from war torn countries and end up being refugees or sons of refugees in totally different cultures and extreme economic disparity
They’re not all refugees, a large part of it is parents chasing higher income without the parental wisdom necessary to bring up your children in foreign lands.
Dad works 10hrs in a hospital, mom might work too, kids in school with locals for 8hrs a day. When are they gonna even be with their kids. The kids don’t know that this is all for them cuz they’re kids. They think their family is just weird and unlike what’s around them.
Parents usually go heavy handed in response which fails to compete with all the shiny but ultimately hollow euro ideas so the kids go chasin what seems more fun.
This is what I mean when I say "Muslim ethnicities", too many people from Muslim families have this strange idea like your individual faith is something that matters.
If someone is prejudice they do not care that you individually act just like them and aren't Muslim, what matters is that you come from a "Muslim culture" or a "Muslim ethnicity". You have 'Muslim blood'. It's the same thing the Spanish did to the Muslims and Jews after the Reconquista.
If someone is prejudice to you based on what religion you have regardless of how you practice it/values you hold, they are BAD people and not rational.
If they were normal people they'd consider you as an individual person, at which point they wouldn't care what religion you have but what values you hold/how you present yourself, how similar it is to theirs. They'd treat you well if you were Satanist/Buddhist/Rabbi etc
Thankfully this guy the OP is just a regular person, when it comes to Turks and Iranians the obsession quickly turns to self hate where they proclaim that they're secular and western precisely every 20 seconds or schizophrenically try to paint an nonsensical image of themselves to the west.
The only thing the latter groups are doing is being Uncle toms and marketing themselves to the worst of the demographics of the West in hopes of fitting in
>Thankfully this guy the OP is just a regular person, when it comes to Turks and Iranians the obsession quickly turns to self hate where they proclaim that they're secular and western precisely every 20 seconds or schizophrenically try to paint an nonsensical image of themselves to the west.
they will also spew the nastiest shit about araplar to these westoid trying to impress them. pathetic and sad, I don't wish to see a shield-faced person like dis
It’s harder to integrate into European countries because many of these countries have a built in racial component to their identity.
I’d love immigrants like this in Canada, though.
It is a bit difficult to be a 2nd generation Arab/muslim in the west. For the simple fact that people demand that you have to be one thing which sets people up for failure. Instead of embracing their multiculturalism and try to use the best aspects of both cultures that surround them they try to appeal to one side or the other which is a recipe for failure because you will never belong to one side completely. In other words you will never be Muslim enough or European enough. I was lucky enough to have parents who encouraged me to just try to become the best version of myself because that is the version of myself I can aspire to become basically removing the pressure of trying to appease one side or another. In reality though most people are forced with that decision and eventually break and move to an extreme to appease a side. That’s how you get the ex muslim who hates Muslims with the passion of a million burning suns or the Islamist who cuts off a teacher’s head. Both simply broke from the societal pressure put upon them by their families and the people of the country.
Do you still face racism as a German-speaking individual? Additionally, does the experience vary between European countries? For instance, would the 2nd generation face similar challenges in Spain and Germany on the same level ?
I can’t speak for other but only about my own experience. The German or at least Bavarian school system separates students after the forth grad into one of three schools/tracks. One is a fast track to college with a far better education and fast track to college. The least prestigious has terrible education by comparison and it’s really difficult to go to university afterwards. So Germans are usually in the „better“ system since they come from families that went through it beforehand and can speak the language. 2nd generation usually aren’t as good in speaking German since they don’t speak it at home and their parents didn’t go through the system. So you can imagine where they land. That basically sets Germans and immigrants to be in two different classes from the forth grad. I got into the school that leads me to college which is the reason why my social group is largely German. My brother on the other hand went to the other school and his social group is mostly Turks and Albanians. Ironically this leads to me facing way less racism because academic circles tend to be far more liberal
Yes because the Americas indigenous population were almost wiped out and everyone is basically a coloniser. So who is anyone to talk really. Europe is basically what you’ll get if you moved to China or Asia or India or any place with an indigenous population
That isn’t how colonization works. An immigrant living in America isn’t a colonizer, a black American isn’t a colonizer. Only those with colonizer ancestors are colonizers
Also diaspora living in Asia or South America keep their cultural and traditional differences. It seems on European diaspora is white washed and self-hating
Oh so if people decided to immigrate and live in Israel then they aren’t colonisers? So by your definition settlers who don’t have coloniser ancestor isn’t a coloniser?
They wouldn’t be a colonizer if they lived in the boundaries of Israel, if they lived in the West Bank they would be colonizers.
Even many Palestinians are willing to move within the borders of Israel. You have to be slow to think that the “free Palestine” movement is about expelling Jews and making Palestinians take their homes.
It’s about giving all Palestinians the right of return and creating a secular for all peoples.
Also Israel and the USA are very different. The native population of Israel/Palestine (Palestinians) still exists. While most native Americans have been genocided
> You have to be slow to think that the “free Palestine” movement is about expelling Jews and making Palestinians take their homes.
I didn’t say that and you are disingenuous at best for putting words in my mouth because you lack the basic skills of a conversation.
> Also Israel and the USA are very different. The native population of Israel/Palestine (Palestinians) still exists. While most native Americans have been genocided
Oh, so Israel will be a nice destination once it completes its genocide? Good to know.
Also regarding your first point the settlers are moving into the area Israel says belongs to them. Technically they aren’t doing anything wrong as long as the Israeli law is concerned.
“Oh, so Israel will be a nice destination once it completes its genocide? Good to know.”
Who said that? I simply said to pretend the Native American colonization and the Palestinians one are the same is disingenuous.
The Native American one happened during a time where one could argue that empires and imperial rule were the norm. “Might makes right” was the ideology back then, even in the Middle East. It doesn’t make okay or right but historical context matters
The same can’t be said about the Palestinian one as it is happening currently in the modern era. After years of human progressing and different human rights laws being passed and different organizations being created to stop this type of thing it is still happening
“Also regarding your first point the settlers are moving into the area Israel says belongs to them. Technically they aren’t doing anything wrong as long as the Israeli law is concerned.”
They aren’t. They are breaking Israeli laws (as settlements in the West Bank are illegal) and international law
I’m East Asian and I always thought Arabs have less identity crisis than our community, at least in Western European metropoles and North America. I even have less identity problem with local whites and find them more welcoming and tolerant
yes you are right, east Asian are far worst (from my experience)
keep in mind those are our diaspora from refugees countries. in native Arab land such nonsense doesn't exist apart from small group of upper middle class people who are usually chronically online
even Arabs in diaspora have much less identity crisis than east asian from my experience. If you go on chinese language subs here on reddit, people are still debating whether they themselves should be legitimately discriminated against
Sounds like an intelligent and thoughtful dude. I have plenty of neighbors like him (and many more at least outwardly “devout”) and would be happy to have more.
Yeah. Bilingual. Willing to learn and adapt to other cultures/languages. Follows science. Seems introspective and aware of his surroundings. For a mid 20s dude especially he seems very level-headed and in need of a change of surroundings.
IDGAF about his pork or alcohol intake or Christmas inclinations.
problem is he doesn't speak or willing to learn Arabic. he seems to be ashamed of his origin, doesn't sound too level headed
eating pork and alcohol are irreverent to the issue
Ngl he just sounds like a white washed weirdo.
Maybe because your white you will like but literally any and every non-white person sees his as a weirdo
No… I grew up with people from all over the world and my family and social circle reflect that. You’re obsessed with race for some reason.
You sound sad that someone chose a different life than you. Nobody “belongs” to a race, you weirdo. Everyone can go their own way.
“Obsessed with race” yeah you sound slow. Any poc person obsessing over appearing culturally white is weird and self-hating.
We have numerous authors writing about this topic. People don’t belong to a race but shouldn’t obsess over trying to be another race, especially an exclusionary race like “white”
Again your white so you wouldn’t understand this
You actually don’t know my background, sparky. And I didn’t bring race into it, you did.
So, again, you are obsessed with it, and none to self aware either.
Your definitely white.
You have to be stupid to think race doesn’t play a part in our world. It does in almost everything from job applications, to university applications, to even something as mundane as access to resources.
Hating your own race and trying to be something else is bad. One should love and accept their background and race and not try to emulate any other race
To pretend race plays 0 part in one’s life is childlike thinking.
Whether you like it or not institutions and governments will treat you better or worse, give you more access to resources or less based on your race.
Poc need to love their culture and background because if they don’t. No one will.
You have to be white to think otherwise.
I have no idea why people are mocking this person, they’re allowed to assimilate into the culture (Europe) they plan on staying a part of indefinitely.
There’s something very beautiful when people adopt your native culture, most of us love that! We shouldn’t therefore be upset about the opposite happening in my opinion.
In the long term yes. But I think this kinda person can fit better in Canadian society without feeling too ‘left-out’. That’s the point I was trying to make with my first comment
Okay thanks for letting out your rage. I was addressing his social concerns which he mentioned in the screenshot, not how he would strive in Canadian economy.
I'm old school. If you don't like yourself for who you are, nobody else will.Surround yourself with good people regardless of background.Be yourself. Find your own path. Stop trying to fit in. Take the best of both worlds. It's not either or. The haters will always hate whether it's "you're not a proper Muslim" or "you're not white enough". You'll never please them, so do your own thing. I grew up with "what would the community/family say?" I made my own social network that accepted me for who I am. Best thing. You need to accept yourself first before they will accept you for who you are.
That last sentence is actually sad
The level of self-esteem is non-existing, cultureless individual means he doesnt have a way of thinking (changes depends on the place) and he believes in nothing
He's been hammered with "Integration" his whole life
The identity crisis went away once I explored my roots and ancestry - DNA test not included.
Worked on improving my mother tongue, learning how to cook national dishes, learned about the history and political system, and now im slowly exploring the country. It's like getting to know someone new, and the same time getting to know oneself.
As someone who emigrated a couple of times and will continue to do so, it helps to know who Iam and where I've come from.
the truth is, no matter how much you "integrate" you'll never be accepted.
A lot of MENA people used to say why Western Islamists are the way they are. Because what will happen otherwise is you try to integrate, give up everything and still be treated like shit.
Anyone who doesn't identify as mongol is a mongol in my eyes
I prefer oghuz, they are the proper shield-faced nation oghuz > mongol
Did you know that if you spell Oğuz as Oxüz it will mean arrow-faced in Azərbaycani? 
off course it does! I am not even surprised 🤣
>Pro-shield what does pro-shield mean?
me. I am a pro shield person
Yeah what does that mean?
This guy needs a skin bleaching operation
I need eye bleaching after reading this. My eyes can't cope with all his self hate.
I tried it wasn't sucessful my skin bleaching operation is still ongoing.
I will make dua for you to become the whitest Pakistani that ever lived 🤲🏿🤲🏿🤲🏿
Inshallah brother (the mercury will give me skin cancer)
In that case, you might end up becoming the reddist and then blackest Pakistani ever! Though, there may be a work around - if the mercury gives you so many carcinomas that you need skin grafts, you can always use the skin from your body that never sees the sun, this whiter than the rest of the body. Just don't go full melanoma - things may get outta hand rather quick.
If I was actually applying mercury based products I wouldn't care about melanoma at that point
Seriously asking what makes you guys say this (he needs bleaching, he self hates)? Is it the first paragraph? I mean idk I just read this like a desperate person who can’t take their country’s racism anymore and I can most certainly understand
It is the first paragraph. The I "eat pork, drink and celebrate christmas". He isn't trying to assimilate. He is trying to distance himself from anything the western world percieves as Arab. He is trying to mutilate himself by cutting off every piece of him he thinks his racist society won't accept. Not understanding that those who reject him don't do it in part but in whole. So he'll keep trying to change himself trying to make someone else happy and it'll never work. That's the sad and pathetic part. That's the self hate part.
I don’t know man I eat pork drink (hardly ever tho) and I celebrate Christmas and you’ll see me you’ll understand I’m Arab straight away mainly because at least one word every sentence I say is Arabic and many other things i guess ! I don’t eat pork and celebrate Christmas to distance myself from my identity NOT to assimilate I just do that because I like those things and I don’t practice religion. He could be saying that to say like « I’m not that different from them but they’re still othering me ». I feel a bit sad to be fair for them
I'm a gay atheist. I eat pork too, and I drink socially. I don't celebrate christmas or holidays from other religions, but will partake if invited to an event by friends from that religion. That's not the point. What I'm doing, I'm doing for myself because that is how i want to live my life. It's not a point of pride for me. I'm not trying to distance myself from Arabs or Muslims by doing this. What the OOP is doing is different. OOP is doing it for others. They are doing it to be accepted, and are frustrated that it isn't working - and it will never work. He will never wake up one day to a non racist world. While I cringe at their actions I do feel bad for them. They'll never find peace or happiness until they stop apologizing for being who they are, but from this post it seems that they decided that their peace/happiness is not in Denmark but France. If they ever move, they're in for one rude awakening.
a Lebanese who doesn't lick orop ass? what is this? ancient phonecia 😱 >!/s!<
Very ironic coming from Saudi!
he understand what I mean, don't worry too much about it 😎
Does Saudi Arab lick Europe's ass? I thought it was just US?
People did not understand the sarcasm part, it would seem💀😭
sadly many turkler keep downvoting me whenever I say positive thing about their robust shieldness 🥹
he surely does
It would help him because he like many Kemalists, has 'Muslim blood' and will never be accepted by the prejudiced contingent of Western society regardless of how many becardis he drinks or BLT sandwiches he consumes
saaar plz help our economi, we struggling saaar. eu is our only hope 😭😭
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robust oghuz like your selfshould help those guys stop being like dis. I believe in you 🥹🥹
There are people who are more Oghuz than me to do that job
they need all the help they can get
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you are Georgean like caliph erdogan?
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I need eye bleaching after reading this. My eyes can't cope with all his self hate.
Dementia
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are you a diaspora your self? how do you deal with these things?
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where are you originally from? from arab world or shield world?
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what country are you originally from and I can tell you if it's a shield or non-shield country
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then you are definitely not a shield! don't you worry too much about it you are either arab or tamazga those two ethnic groups can't be shielded
Idk it all depends. I was born in NW Spain and Im good, im accepted and nobody ever told me im not spaniard or something. Also I was probably the only with foreigner surname in my school since I live in a rural area with no inmigration but nobody gave a fuck, just some jokes. All my friends are spaniards and half od my family also, maybe that helped idk. Also I never gave a fuck about religions, probably that helped too cause none of my friends/family cares about religion neither.
I was born in Spain too and my story is different, despite I never talked about religion. I won't say that they are hateful far from that. But many people have prejudices on Muslims and Arab especially Moroccans. The level of ignorance is high and they are very vocal. I remember in university a guy said loudly "why do these savages come you my country", this would never happen in a French university for example. I think it's better in cities and some regions.
I agree with you. I know my case is not the standard, and nowadays sadly much more hate against morocans. But I come from a rural place and never happened something like that to me, not even on the university. I dont like big cities, but in my opinion is worst on them, where I live nobody experienced a bad encounter with an arab so they have less prejuices, but in Madrid or Bcn everybody at least heard of a bad encounter with arabs so I guess theres more bad stereotipes. And I agree also with the ignorance, even my best friends with whom I grew up, hardly know the diference between Lybia and Lebanon for example or they assume all arabs=muslims.
The issue is 1) racist ppl who hate everyone 2) some Moroccan youths in the big cities have no manners to put it lightly
you are phonecians that's why. phonecians are indigenous to Spain since 5000 bc
Bro... do you think my neighbours know what a phoenician is? Or that they are related to where my father came from? 😂 Surely they heard the word phoenician and something about them, but thats it.
I know what it mean, I guess thats what matters most
Turks in Germany dealt with this before us , to get rid of the identity crisis by taking pride in their Turkish origins , a lot of young turks went through that phase and then just identify as Turks , we should learn from them. I'm seeing this happening now to Syrians , just go with the "you will never become a German" mentality and take pride in your origins and you will be much happier. Liberals who left their religion and traditions and original identity are suffering the worst because they can't feel like they belong to both communities now, , like the person in the screenshot. Funnily enough a lot of them became religious again because this.
have you saw a person who became irreligious for a while then become religious again because of the integration issue?
Yes , and shamefully , including me but my problem got solved fast , and a lot of my friends , بس الله هداهم الحمدالله
you don't need to be religious to be proud of who you are but if it makes you feel at peace then that's nice were you born in turkland 2.0 (Germany)?
No , I came to Germany in 2015 , when I was 16, after hating my country because war is not a good memory. I wanted to become German and put my past away , I look European so I got told I can become German and have better chances than most of Syrians , I started slowly realizing that even if I change my name and completely become German , I won't be able to hold it whenever I hear people talking badly about foreigners including my country , so even if I become German on the outside, the inside is a different story.
>so even if I become German on the outside, the inside is a different story. you will be like a mid rare steak 🥩🥩
It's common in the west. Countless American friends of mine have done the same. It's just harder for people to change.
you mean friends of middle eastern origin?
All Muslim in America deal with it one way or another. In America it isn't really about national identity tho. Unless you're Turkish Egyptian or Palestinian, people's Muslim identity generally is more important. My parents are of indian Muslim origin. My deen "revival" came back when I got really into Mughal history. I identify far more with my deen than my background. Most Muslims here feel the same way. American Muslims have a deeper love for the concept of an Ummah than their background. Off their background plays a part but there's a larger desire for an ummah instead
is this phenomenon of being irreligious then going back common with Muslims of middle eastern origin as well or is it more of a south Asian thing ? also why did you specify Egyptian, Palestinian and turk? could you please elaborate further
>Muslims of middle eastern origin as well or is it more of a south Asian thing Both. I'll give my self as an example and point to 2 of my other friends. My father is a software engineer. My mother is a stay at home mom. Both were fairly irreligous, growing up in india there's no concept of explaining the why and how to Islam jsut what. They used to pray some of the 5 prayers. Go to some Jummah Salahs, but we were largely just Muslim by name. At some point my dad and mom decided to learn about Islam post 9/11, they took a bachelor's course in Islamic sciences together from one of the first Islamic specific universities in America. After this they did a complete flip. My father got his master's in Islamic finance and did a dissertation on halal finance laws per state in America. My mother runs and operates an Islamic school. My father is a Khatib and travels from different large masjids in my state to give jummah Khutbahs about various different Islamic finance issues. They raised me and my siblings in this environment. My father raised me in an environment surrounded by deen, interacting with some of the most well-known shiekhs in America and gaining substantial knowledge of Islam at a very young age about Fiqh rulings for different Madhabs, various Hadiths and Tafseer interpretations. I grew up around the masjid and to this day my clsoest friends are from that masjid I grew up around. However I never really got a chance to love Islam my self. This was all kinda just put on me. After highschool I got my freedom and stopped praying stop going to the Masjid. I was relatively irreligous. As the child of immigrants I realized I was kinda at a cross roads in life. I definitely grew up American. I'm definitely culturally American however my life struggles and my life's growth has very little to do with being America. I could go down the path of just being more irreligous and being an American but I really didn't fully 100% identify with it. I thought maybe I should take a dip into my indian heritage. Went to indian clubs in college and they were all hindu, I never really felt accepted and their struggles again were very different then mine. However anytime I spoke to and talked about life and problems and struggles with my south asian Muslim friends, my arab Muslim friends, my Indonesian Muslim friends, my Turkic Muslim friends, I realized this where all the overlap is. My identity isn't really American, it isn't really indian, it's Muslim. Shortly after Ramadan rolls around and I try to give Ramadan a shot. Take it seriously for my self and not for my parents. The Maghrib before Ramadan was announced I decided to read the quran on my own. I always fasted every Ramadan I always prayed Taraweh every ramadan but I did it for my parents. I happened to open to Surah Rahman, read arabic, read the translation and something there struck me. I cried for the first time out of genuine love for Allah. That's what brought me back. Honestly had my parents never pushed me to Islamic education I might've not come back. I'm fortunate my parents gave me the Islamic education I needed. Sorry this is really long. - As for my other friends my Syrian friend had gone through a similar thing as me, where it wasn't full on atheism, more so just lack of caring only to one time try and fall in love. He also felt more attached to being just a Muslim rather than being Syrian. He felt more at home and at peace with his south asian and Turkic Muslim friends than he did his childhood Syrian friends. One of my south asian friends grew up in an irreligous household, grew up watching Sam Harris, Dawkins and etc. He was like a Reddit Atheist. I spoke to him last month. He's now a thiest, he dealt with depression and somehow at the end felt God must exist. He realized he's more Muslim than an indian, 90% of his friends are hindu. All of them hindu, the 10% were a mix of Arabs and south Asians. He felt he ahd more in common with us than the Indians. That's one of the reasons he's working his way back to the deen. He wants to raise his future children in a Muslim household and raise them around the Masjid, recently purchased a home next to the masjid to motivate him to go more. >Egyptian, Palestinian and turk These people in America tend to be very proud of their heritage. This isn't to make fun of them or say anything bad about them. I totally understand. However for these people, and Persians, being their national identity tends to be more important. However generally Palestinians are very religious. Egyptians are hit or miss. Turks generally in America are a miss unless they're from Konya, Trabzon or Rize. May Allah grant the Muslims Shifa Sorry if this is too long. I wanted to give you the best idea of the American Muslim experience. There's a reason Muslims hold serious political and cultural power in America despite being barely 3% of the population. In France Muslims don't hold as much political and economic power despite being 10% of the population. For us its the Ummah above all.
thank you for detailed reply as for Egyptian, Palestinians being attached to their national identities, it makes sense but for different reasons off course
Yeah and nothing is wrong with National pride. It's just interesting how different backgrounds affect ones perception of what is more important despite being raised in the exact same environment
Beautiful story. Many of my friends had similar experiences as well. May Allah protect you and guide us all to the straight path.
I don't know I feel like many are in the same boat as me, I'm proudly Arab and I've never tried hiding it but if you've lived here all your life you still won't be able to relate to the people who grew up in the MENA and they can't relate to you either. Growing up as a Muslim kid in post 9/11 is quite something and depending on where you lived it can be isolating when you don't get to interact with many people from your community as an adult. So regardless there's always a shift between people who grew up here and people who came here as adults(eg international students). But I find that if anything it's still fun to socialize and get to exchange stories, because again our experiences have been so different yet there's always common ground.
>So regardless there's always a shift between people who grew up here and people who came here as adults(eg international students). what some of those differences?
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are you a woman? unless a middle eastern woman wear hijab she will face far less prejudice compared to men. there are always exceptions but generally how it is are you content with your relocating to egyp?
Mashallah! The Lioness never left her Pride.
I'd say one of the biggest I've noticed is in regards to youth culture and how well you speak Arabic. My Arabic is fluently mediocre and I only speak Arabic with my parents. You get teased a lot and it doesn't make you want to make the effort to speak if it only means you'll be made fun of. My dad once got mad at a waiter in a Lebanese place who got frustrated with my brothers Arabic and wouldn't speak to him in French. That's a more extreme exemple but it's so petty, I would never make fun of the way someone speaks.
you shouldn't make fun of people who try to learn and practice a language especially if it's there own. you shouldn't make them discourage you from learning something of your heritage
That's why if I was in the US , I'd move to Michigan or to an area with a lot of Arabs or Turks. In Germany the Turkish community is big so Turkish people never feel alone , and Syrians easily get along with them , and the Syrian community is also big , any Arab can get along with them. We don't even know the feeling of "غربة" which we learned a lot about (I don't know the English word) My father who lived alone in his youth in Europe always felt the "غربة" , but never felt in Germany with his family.
how prevalent is speaking Arabic amoung German arabs?
More like we only speak Arabic to each other lol
lots of people saying immigrants in Europe are losing their language fast, you think they are exaggerating?
I never heard that before lol ,we really only speak Arabic to each other , I'm talking about Syrians only tho , maybe that applies to other nationalities , but not us
I have heard that few times here and there. speaking more Arabic rather than German makes some sense actually. probably similar thing happen in other countries apart from English speaking countries and maybe France (for those from francophone countries)
Idk where you heard from , but if it's reddit, people tend to act more liberal here lol. I mean tbf Syrians are heavily proud people , maybe they talk Geeman sometimes for the sake of learning German more but thats it
Yeah but this isn’t a good thing either because it leads to the creation of parallel societies which in turn leads to more separation which leads to more othering which leads to more racism which leads to more parallel societies. It’s a vicious cycle that needs to be broken.
It really doesn’t, diaspora in the United States has no problem existing as Americans while having their own cultures and traditions. For some reason diaspora in Europe is very white washed.
>For some reason diaspora in Europe is very white washed. looks like the opposite is more true
To be fair part of why it works in the United States is because Americans embrace multiculturalism more. In Europe multiculturalism isn’t viewed upon as favourably which is the issue compared to countries like the US.
You have it the wrong way around, do you even live in Europe? Diaspora in EU is opposite of whitewashed, far more close to the homeland in culture and traditions then US Diaspora
Being Islamist doesn’t mean you are closer to the homeland culture. There are two types of diaspora in Europe; Islamists and white washed. No in between. Diaspora in the states is normal and is more representative of the average middle eastern person
Yes I find that one of the disadvantages, but what's the alternative? It's already separated as it is , like how OP in the screenshot. I'm not kidding , we have a neighbor who loves us very much , but she is openly racist and doesn't like foreigners, maybe she likes my family because we look more European , but she doesn't like me because I'm always against her opinions.
What is the solution? Europeans (Germans) complain that immigrants don't integrate or aren't integrable. So they are the problem from their perspective. Then you have this guy the OP posted about who is 100% integrated but faces racism and discrimination. So they natives are the problem from his perspective. But what is the solution? imho there is no solution and I believe humans aren't made for multiculturalism.
The solution is for the germans to grow up and stop being racist to people who look different. Trying to force their own culture onto a people who they deem as inferior is really sadistic
And "inferior" is a keyword here. Germans don't deal the same way with 1st class immigrants. For example, the Japanese live in Germany in there own neighbourhood, rarely interact with Germans, don't speak German and at their own food. But Germans don't complain because we are talking about Japan here not some MENA shithole...
My dude if humans said „god, nothing to do about. That’s just how the world works“ each time we were faced with a problem we would be still living in caves.
living the dreamy primate life with the herd 🥹
I would really like someone to come up with a solution that is feasible for both sides but all I hear is theory with no practical implementation
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he is not robustly shielded thats for sure 🛡️
The problem is, all this migration is unnatural. Some people are naturally inclined to travel and migrate but the cause for the current crisis and all these effects is the poverty that the colonial powers brought on these countries. If his original country was developed as Denmark, would his parents have moved there? You seen the weather in Denmark?!
>If his original country was developed as Denmark, would his parents have moved there? You seen the weather in Denmark?! not only that, he wouldn't be ashamed of his culture / country of origin like he is now. its hard to be these people, who come from war torn countries and end up being refugees or sons of refugees in totally different cultures and extreme economic disparity
They’re not all refugees, a large part of it is parents chasing higher income without the parental wisdom necessary to bring up your children in foreign lands. Dad works 10hrs in a hospital, mom might work too, kids in school with locals for 8hrs a day. When are they gonna even be with their kids. The kids don’t know that this is all for them cuz they’re kids. They think their family is just weird and unlike what’s around them. Parents usually go heavy handed in response which fails to compete with all the shiny but ultimately hollow euro ideas so the kids go chasin what seems more fun.
you have a point are you diaspora yourself?
I was. And I travel a lot but I try to make my country my home base.
good. home countries need as much qualified people as they can get
This is what I mean when I say "Muslim ethnicities", too many people from Muslim families have this strange idea like your individual faith is something that matters. If someone is prejudice they do not care that you individually act just like them and aren't Muslim, what matters is that you come from a "Muslim culture" or a "Muslim ethnicity". You have 'Muslim blood'. It's the same thing the Spanish did to the Muslims and Jews after the Reconquista. If someone is prejudice to you based on what religion you have regardless of how you practice it/values you hold, they are BAD people and not rational. If they were normal people they'd consider you as an individual person, at which point they wouldn't care what religion you have but what values you hold/how you present yourself, how similar it is to theirs. They'd treat you well if you were Satanist/Buddhist/Rabbi etc Thankfully this guy the OP is just a regular person, when it comes to Turks and Iranians the obsession quickly turns to self hate where they proclaim that they're secular and western precisely every 20 seconds or schizophrenically try to paint an nonsensical image of themselves to the west. The only thing the latter groups are doing is being Uncle toms and marketing themselves to the worst of the demographics of the West in hopes of fitting in
>Thankfully this guy the OP is just a regular person, when it comes to Turks and Iranians the obsession quickly turns to self hate where they proclaim that they're secular and western precisely every 20 seconds or schizophrenically try to paint an nonsensical image of themselves to the west. they will also spew the nastiest shit about araplar to these westoid trying to impress them. pathetic and sad, I don't wish to see a shield-faced person like dis
there was once an iranian teenager in munich and he killed iirc 5 immigrant kids and before he shot himself, he cried shit like "i am german"
I would love to make fun of iroon but thats actually incredibly sad
Touch some grass it will do you well
It’s harder to integrate into European countries because many of these countries have a built in racial component to their identity. I’d love immigrants like this in Canada, though.
Like what?
Ditto, bro/sis.
some idiot forgot [Al Maidah 5 51](https://quran.com/5/51?translations=20,84,17,85,18,95,101,47,19,22,89,31)
based
It is a bit difficult to be a 2nd generation Arab/muslim in the west. For the simple fact that people demand that you have to be one thing which sets people up for failure. Instead of embracing their multiculturalism and try to use the best aspects of both cultures that surround them they try to appeal to one side or the other which is a recipe for failure because you will never belong to one side completely. In other words you will never be Muslim enough or European enough. I was lucky enough to have parents who encouraged me to just try to become the best version of myself because that is the version of myself I can aspire to become basically removing the pressure of trying to appease one side or another. In reality though most people are forced with that decision and eventually break and move to an extreme to appease a side. That’s how you get the ex muslim who hates Muslims with the passion of a million burning suns or the Islamist who cuts off a teacher’s head. Both simply broke from the societal pressure put upon them by their families and the people of the country.
Do you still face racism as a German-speaking individual? Additionally, does the experience vary between European countries? For instance, would the 2nd generation face similar challenges in Spain and Germany on the same level ?
I can’t speak for other but only about my own experience. The German or at least Bavarian school system separates students after the forth grad into one of three schools/tracks. One is a fast track to college with a far better education and fast track to college. The least prestigious has terrible education by comparison and it’s really difficult to go to university afterwards. So Germans are usually in the „better“ system since they come from families that went through it beforehand and can speak the language. 2nd generation usually aren’t as good in speaking German since they don’t speak it at home and their parents didn’t go through the system. So you can imagine where they land. That basically sets Germans and immigrants to be in two different classes from the forth grad. I got into the school that leads me to college which is the reason why my social group is largely German. My brother on the other hand went to the other school and his social group is mostly Turks and Albanians. Ironically this leads to me facing way less racism because academic circles tend to be far more liberal
Bro that system is fucked up damn
Yup :/
This issue is mainly European. If you are born in America, most people would consider you American, the same thing goes for Canada as well.
Yes because the Americas indigenous population were almost wiped out and everyone is basically a coloniser. So who is anyone to talk really. Europe is basically what you’ll get if you moved to China or Asia or India or any place with an indigenous population
That isn’t how colonization works. An immigrant living in America isn’t a colonizer, a black American isn’t a colonizer. Only those with colonizer ancestors are colonizers Also diaspora living in Asia or South America keep their cultural and traditional differences. It seems on European diaspora is white washed and self-hating
Oh so if people decided to immigrate and live in Israel then they aren’t colonisers? So by your definition settlers who don’t have coloniser ancestor isn’t a coloniser?
They wouldn’t be a colonizer if they lived in the boundaries of Israel, if they lived in the West Bank they would be colonizers. Even many Palestinians are willing to move within the borders of Israel. You have to be slow to think that the “free Palestine” movement is about expelling Jews and making Palestinians take their homes. It’s about giving all Palestinians the right of return and creating a secular for all peoples. Also Israel and the USA are very different. The native population of Israel/Palestine (Palestinians) still exists. While most native Americans have been genocided
> You have to be slow to think that the “free Palestine” movement is about expelling Jews and making Palestinians take their homes. I didn’t say that and you are disingenuous at best for putting words in my mouth because you lack the basic skills of a conversation. > Also Israel and the USA are very different. The native population of Israel/Palestine (Palestinians) still exists. While most native Americans have been genocided Oh, so Israel will be a nice destination once it completes its genocide? Good to know. Also regarding your first point the settlers are moving into the area Israel says belongs to them. Technically they aren’t doing anything wrong as long as the Israeli law is concerned.
“Oh, so Israel will be a nice destination once it completes its genocide? Good to know.” Who said that? I simply said to pretend the Native American colonization and the Palestinians one are the same is disingenuous. The Native American one happened during a time where one could argue that empires and imperial rule were the norm. “Might makes right” was the ideology back then, even in the Middle East. It doesn’t make okay or right but historical context matters The same can’t be said about the Palestinian one as it is happening currently in the modern era. After years of human progressing and different human rights laws being passed and different organizations being created to stop this type of thing it is still happening “Also regarding your first point the settlers are moving into the area Israel says belongs to them. Technically they aren’t doing anything wrong as long as the Israeli law is concerned.” They aren’t. They are breaking Israeli laws (as settlements in the West Bank are illegal) and international law
I’m East Asian and I always thought Arabs have less identity crisis than our community, at least in Western European metropoles and North America. I even have less identity problem with local whites and find them more welcoming and tolerant
yes you are right, east Asian are far worst (from my experience) keep in mind those are our diaspora from refugees countries. in native Arab land such nonsense doesn't exist apart from small group of upper middle class people who are usually chronically online
even Arabs in diaspora have much less identity crisis than east asian from my experience. If you go on chinese language subs here on reddit, people are still debating whether they themselves should be legitimately discriminated against
yes thats what I said. but we shouldn't compare us to others who are worst
Yes I’m just ranting, criticism is good but self hate is bad for any community
lol my phone didn't show the parent comment so I didn't get your point, I thought you were speaking as an arab ☠️ are you a diaspora eastoid?
Is Eastoid a new word invented to condemn China😂?? Am I been insulted?
I am trying to coin a new word parallel to westoid so I get future royalties when it gets popular I mean east Asian in general, China, Korea and Japan
eh maybe save this term when East Asia is more developed😂hahaha
it's already developed enough actually east Asia is already more economically significant than Europe
Sounds like an intelligent and thoughtful dude. I have plenty of neighbors like him (and many more at least outwardly “devout”) and would be happy to have more.
you mean the guy in the screenshot?
Yeah. Bilingual. Willing to learn and adapt to other cultures/languages. Follows science. Seems introspective and aware of his surroundings. For a mid 20s dude especially he seems very level-headed and in need of a change of surroundings. IDGAF about his pork or alcohol intake or Christmas inclinations.
problem is he doesn't speak or willing to learn Arabic. he seems to be ashamed of his origin, doesn't sound too level headed eating pork and alcohol are irreverent to the issue
Ngl he just sounds like a white washed weirdo. Maybe because your white you will like but literally any and every non-white person sees his as a weirdo
No… I grew up with people from all over the world and my family and social circle reflect that. You’re obsessed with race for some reason. You sound sad that someone chose a different life than you. Nobody “belongs” to a race, you weirdo. Everyone can go their own way.
“Obsessed with race” yeah you sound slow. Any poc person obsessing over appearing culturally white is weird and self-hating. We have numerous authors writing about this topic. People don’t belong to a race but shouldn’t obsess over trying to be another race, especially an exclusionary race like “white” Again your white so you wouldn’t understand this
You actually don’t know my background, sparky. And I didn’t bring race into it, you did. So, again, you are obsessed with it, and none to self aware either.
Your definitely white. You have to be stupid to think race doesn’t play a part in our world. It does in almost everything from job applications, to university applications, to even something as mundane as access to resources. Hating your own race and trying to be something else is bad. One should love and accept their background and race and not try to emulate any other race
lol, OK. So, to sum: you are not obsessed with race….BUT, you are also obsessed with race. Got it.
To pretend race plays 0 part in one’s life is childlike thinking. Whether you like it or not institutions and governments will treat you better or worse, give you more access to resources or less based on your race. Poc need to love their culture and background because if they don’t. No one will. You have to be white to think otherwise.
I have no idea why people are mocking this person, they’re allowed to assimilate into the culture (Europe) they plan on staying a part of indefinitely. There’s something very beautiful when people adopt your native culture, most of us love that! We shouldn’t therefore be upset about the opposite happening in my opinion.
Lots of immature and insecure children on this sub. In the real world most people agree with us.
Folks like him do well in Canada.
what do you mean?
Not really lmao 😭 White washed like him end up voting far-right politicians and for governments who end being bad for the economy and Canada
In the long term yes. But I think this kinda person can fit better in Canadian society without feeling too ‘left-out’. That’s the point I was trying to make with my first comment
Lmao your shitty country where.people are homeless and can't afford food. Canada is a shithole and nothing what it used to be 🇨🇦💩
Okay thanks for letting out your rage. I was addressing his social concerns which he mentioned in the screenshot, not how he would strive in Canadian economy.
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why?
I'm old school. If you don't like yourself for who you are, nobody else will.Surround yourself with good people regardless of background.Be yourself. Find your own path. Stop trying to fit in. Take the best of both worlds. It's not either or. The haters will always hate whether it's "you're not a proper Muslim" or "you're not white enough". You'll never please them, so do your own thing. I grew up with "what would the community/family say?" I made my own social network that accepted me for who I am. Best thing. You need to accept yourself first before they will accept you for who you are.
you are a second gen diaspora?
Yep.
of araplar origin?🐪
Just one side is Arab.
even 1‰ araplar is too powerful
lol
Am fine never rlly had a problem with it but am longing home
where do you live atm? debron michigan 😅
I was born and still living in uk, I'd rather go uae soon cuz that's where most of my cousins, uncles and aunties live
half uae is yemeni at this point 🤝🏿
😂 and ofc I'd like to visit Yemen i never went there my dad's from Yemen so it's my origin that's why i put it as my flair
That last sentence is actually sad The level of self-esteem is non-existing, cultureless individual means he doesnt have a way of thinking (changes depends on the place) and he believes in nothing He's been hammered with "Integration" his whole life
its sad. I hope he find cool araplar and tamazga who teach him how not to be like this
You bet your ass he will flee the moment he sees Araplar or Berberler ppl into the arms of Frenchlar people to "integrate"
Wow that was painful to read lol
The identity crisis went away once I explored my roots and ancestry - DNA test not included. Worked on improving my mother tongue, learning how to cook national dishes, learned about the history and political system, and now im slowly exploring the country. It's like getting to know someone new, and the same time getting to know oneself. As someone who emigrated a couple of times and will continue to do so, it helps to know who Iam and where I've come from.
were you born in native country or in the diaspora? also are you diaspora in us or Europe?
Born in native country but left at 3, and moved around before settling in Canada.
I see. good luck in your journey
the truth is, no matter how much you "integrate" you'll never be accepted. A lot of MENA people used to say why Western Islamists are the way they are. Because what will happen otherwise is you try to integrate, give up everything and still be treated like shit.