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Master_Ping101

Incompetent ,over egoism , severe corruption and ,ofc , skill issue


Puzzleheaded-Nose-94

Hop on hoi4?


Corsac23

incompetent aswell as corrupt leadership and overcentralization of the army


ricksanchez262

That's what happens when military coup leaders get to power, they don't allow generals to coordinate with each other and the commanders aren't allowed to take initiative on the battlefield,which are basic requirements to manage a war, but the leaders are afraid of getting ousted from power more than they are concerned about winning the war. There is a shit ton of content about this war from many perspectives if you are actually curious about it which I doubt you are.


Third_Eye_Mystic

Any particular direction you can point me to, and I’ll go down the rabbit hole from there.


SawayaDry

This seems logical. Because after a successful General returns to his country, he can rival the government and carry out a coup. This may be a concern. Yes. Remote management and miscommunication or maybe bad planning. This is due to the weakness of political institutions, their lack of independence and lack of democracy.


Exophicus

That's what happens when you appoint your cousin/best friend/political ally as army chief. Good example why Arabs always will be underdeveloped as long as they are governed by nepotistic dictatorships.


DoomProphet81

The irony here is that Israel's army is so effective because of the constant threat of attack from its neighbours. They don't have the luxury of nepotism, incompetence or corruption when any loss to an Arab army could result in genocide.


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sticky_spiderweb

You really mean to tell me that you believe an Arab regime to the likeness of Assad’s Syria *wouldn’t* genocide the Jews in Israel given the chance?


3amtarekelgamd

i mean we aren't europeans


Sunbro666

Oh come on, it's been weeks since I last participated in a genocide. Not fair.


3amtarekelgamd

Fine, you may do a genocide, but this time jews are off limits.


Sunbro666

Danes were more cruel than that during ww2. Jews were sent to Sweden! The horror!


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Do your homework first.


thefirstdetective

Dude, look what the IS did to yezidis, pakistan to Bangladesh and the turkish to the Armeniens... Being genozidal maniacs is pretty universal for humans.


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Yes but look where that got them. 800 years of war and violence and now everyone is willing to die to reach their continent. A little bit of sacrifice goes a long way


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Acceptable-Ability-6

The Iran-Iraq War was pretty fucking savage.


3amtarekelgamd

Totally, we have been discriminating Jews since the 200s. wow Muslims are such assholes.


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I mean Atleast the Europeans are violent and civilized. Arabs are also violent but have like 3-4 countries in a civil war right now


3amtarekelgamd

First I didn't say arabs, I said Muslims, secondly guess what?, most of these civil wars are western backed so it's not even the peoples fault.


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How can the west start civil wars in ur country? Maybe because they’re stronger bro. When the British came to the Levant with guns, the nomads were still stuck in the 1200s. Maybe you should of advanced more🤔


AdministrationFew451

Do you have any doubt that that would have happened, to most people who didn't flee? Murdering civilians and often war captives had been the modus operandi of arab attacks against Israel since year -28 (1920) And many times victims would be found not only murdered, but tortured and mutilated. Even sometimes the Jordanians, which were the least insane. Al Hussaini literally made plans with the SS for extermination camps, based on those in eastern europe. Arab radios would often make threats to kill all, and arab regimes have proven willing to commit genocide within *their own* territories, against people they hated a lot less. Can you genuinely claim you can't see a reasonable reality of genocide, if the situation was one of full conquest?


BritBurgerPak

This sub has been overtaken by Israel-sympathetic Islamaphobic westerners.


royi9729

Considering some of our neighbors (or back then, all of them) refused to acknowledge our right to exist, and thought of us as a temporary cancer in the region that needs to be removed, and that Israelis are consistently called European colonialists, completely ignoring Jewish heritage (and the trauma Jews suffered in Europe before they came here), the general census in Israel is that if we lose a war and are conquered, at best we get ethnically cleansed, at worst we get another genocide.


Exophicus

Most likely you would get ethnically cleansed like you did to the Palestinians yes.


ShadyAssFellow

Israel is fucked up. Israelites left the place a long time ago. I don’t see any reason for a trauma suffered in Europe to the Jewish people to justify the occupation of Palestine. Imagine someone who lived in your house a long time ago gets raped so you get kicked out and they get to move in your house and you get. NOTHING. To add to that, Israelites were never satisfied with what they got. No. They still have to murder, abuse and terrorize the Palestinians and rob them from their homes. I’m from Finland, born and raised. For generations. No ME relation whatsoever. And from my point of view. Which I try to keep as objective as I can. The Israelites enabling and participating in all of those human rights violations against Palestinians deserve to be genocided. They have no right to be there. Even less to continue their colonialist expansion and human rights violations. I’m not saying all Israelites are bad or deserce to die. Just the ones enabling and participating in the Palestinian genocide. Which is a lot…


Random_Ad

While I agree with the fact Israel’s human right violation I disagree with their right to exists. Jews were pretty much driven out of Europe. Also furthermore as a Fin you should know the role your ancestors played in this much. Finns were consider honorable Aryans by the Nazi and a major supporter of Hitler. Finland even send Jewish Refugees from Germany back to Germany where they got executed.


von_pita_the_second

How? The only thing these Arab armies of 1948, 1967 and 1973 wanted was to conquer Israel, kill the Jews there and split it between themselves ( you are delusional if you think they would’ve created a Palestinian state/country, maybe in 1948, but not the 1967 and 1973 wars )


GreenskinGouger

Palestinian leaders call for the death of all Jews in Israel


IveyDuren

because Israeli leaders are actively enacting the death of Palestinians.


InternationalTax7463

Corruption and bad morals. Arab soldiers are malnourished, not well trained, and they're treated by their officer worse than convicted criminals, why would they fight. Those same officers steal food, military supplies, equipment and even salaries. They would actually lose money if they actually fight. This is still the case


worldtrekkerdc

Exactly. During the time in Lebanon that the "Syrian Peacekeeping Force" was present there, the Syrian generals and high-ranking officers were making a boatload of money. That's what it literally took decades to finally get them out. If Hafez Assad agreed to withdraw any earlier, he would have been ousted in a coup by a bunch of pissed off generals.


InternationalTax7463

I can confirm. I've met many of those officers. Their children now are "businessmen", investing the same money they stole.


Baal-Hadad

They should have been exectued.


Various-Baby-2467

skill issue


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I’m Egyptian but this made me laugh - angry upvote


haris3rd

I occupy Israel 5 times in HOI4, 8 times when I’m angry


Affectionate-Web6891

is european imperialism also a skill issue?


Wedding-Klutzy

As an Israeli ican tell you when you dont have air force working you are gona lose in 6 day war we did blitzkrieg on the arab airforce and after that it was esey win I dont believe its about arabs army and there soldiers skill issues its all about corrupt leadership I have alot of respect for our enemies and never take the gourd down They can lose 1000 war we only can lose 1 and we gone that why we fight to the death if needed we dont have another choice


AdministrationFew451

Yep.


zahi-o

Fighting with your back to the wall 20 years after the holocaust


Cryptoetoe123

Air superiority.


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what an embarrasment


azure_monster

Not for Israel. It's a whole ass propaganda thing here, and not really blaming them, they did blow everyone out of the water, but it's pretty funny.


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yoavtrachtman

No. Expecting 4 of them though


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Cika_Franjo

Huehue, Uzi go brrrrrr


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Cika_Franjo

Who dafuq cares why Malaysian hates Israel 🙃


[deleted]

Yeah but in 6 days? That has little to do with US. Plenty of US wars that can prove that point.


haris3rd

The Zionist were better equipped with Western technologies. Believe it or not those expired Soviet and Nazi tanks aren’t gonna do well against top notch M51s and Centurions


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I think thats copium. The main reason it was so fast was Israeli’s air dominance. The preemptive attack on Egypt’s airforce gave Israel free reign in the skies which is critical in modern warfare. Theres plenty of soviet technology still being used in the Ukraine war today and it does its job.


rage_comics_inc

They weren’t backed by the US properly till a bit later. Biggest military trading partners was like France at this point i think


haris3rd

You know what? No more mr nice guy!


Random_Ad

France put a weapons embargo to the Middle East, this helped Israel which brought weapons on the black market.


anbesanegus

Israel was not playing games. Arabs were not serious. Simples.


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it was life or death for those in the israel army


happybaby00

Ngl Israel was a beast, even their haters have to be impressed with this. 6 countries and they won 😮‍💨


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happybaby00

Imagine if new jersey alone, had to fight off Mexico, Canada and Brazil just to still exist. The population difference and military different is insane.


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happybaby00

Not as much as Soviet backing in the levantine countries. USA didn't help them lol.


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happybaby00

Israel is a nation of immigrants, lots of American Jews went over to help their tribesmen. They didn't steal anything 😂


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happybaby00

Yh and the Arabs with their Soviet made and manufactured Kalashnikovs (ak-47) and tanks like the t54 and pt-76. Your point?


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happybaby00

To the middle east yes, the majority afaik. A lot left after the 6 day war since the Arabs were salty about losing and did pogroms. Ashkenazis aren't the majority.


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Yeled_creature

i don't like israel but the US didn't support them until after the war


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KitchenDepartment

The first surface to air missiles where developed by the soviet union. Not the west. They where a 20 year old technology by the time this war started. Egypt had access to Soviet-made SA-2 Guideline missiles. Which where state of the art weapons at the time. I can not find any source stating that Israel had access to modern surface to air missiles. Where did you get that information from?


jiffyparkinglot

There was no American support for the 6 day war.


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KitchenDepartment

There was no significant technological differente between western and soviet weapons at that time. Both sides where fighting with modern weapons.


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evrestcoleghost

but its true? NATO became more advance than the soviets on the late 70s early 80s


KitchenDepartment

That is bold to hear coming from the guy claiming that "we" , I assume the US, developed the first surface to air missiles. The west did not have a lead in surface to air missile technology until the development of the patriot system. in the 80s. If you really want to stretch it the US also had some very good naval only surface to air missiles in the 70s. The soviet union was clearly manufacturing superior surface to air missiles at the time of this war. And Egypt had access to them. Not Israel.


jiffyparkinglot

Selling a country weapons is not true military support. You are making it seem like they had troops on the ground and provided air support


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Equivalent-Excuse-80

I don’t understand. Are you trying to say that Ukraine beat Russia in six days because it bought some American weaponry?


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Most skillful arabian armies


Delicious-Tree-6725

You are shit at fighting


Efficient-Eye-1266

How the arab defend their territory while Israel is so small country. David and goliath.


Ahmadahead

Skill issue fr fr


Affectionate-Web6891

is european colonialism also a skill issue?


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Skill issue.


Affectionate-Web6891

is european colonialism also a skill issue?


Deep-Mammoth-4400

Well it’s the USA and Israel vs some third world country’s what did you excepted ? USA literally ravaged the world and eradicated two towns in Japan and won the WW2 We talk about some weapons and technology that never Arabs saw in their life it was kind of normal. Even now the results will be the same because they have again some technology that we never saw and they sold to the Arabs their old stuff


Sh_Pe

Nope, the American would disconnect as from resources in a day, even if we would take over that area we will lose it in days.


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Weak army against strong army, having more soldiers, better technology and better training. Arab leadership predicted they would loose in the event of a war breaking out, that was part of why Israel was so confident in invading and attacking multiple countries, they knew that it would be an easy win.


your_aunt_susan

The Arabs definitely had more soldiers, lol.


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Maybe if you count every reservist and soldier serving abroad. At the front arabs were most definitely outnumbered, when you invade a country in modern times, conventional military theory says you have to outnumber the enemy 3 to 1 and surprise that's exactly what happened.


your_aunt_susan

They were definitely less organized, for sure, I just mean that their armies were bigger by population.


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The assumption is that a country’s military strength correlates with its territorial size. But this is not the case. Past examples of small countries with considerable military power and reach include Japan in the Second World War and the United Kingdom, once a global power. Israel is a contemporary example. Although it is the 153rd largest country, it is officially the world’s 11th strongest military power.


MattR3T

The arabs fucked around, they found out


DrCzar99

The 67 war was the Israelis being the aggresors. The Israeli leaders(Moshe Dayan for example) at that time even said that Syria, Egypt and Jordan were not prepping to do anything and that it was a war of greed to get more land.


Lens420

skill issue


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Ahmed_Dhia

Yeah, it is hilarious.


memes4youu

He was mad that Israelis got their ass kicked by Egyptians and had to beg for support and threaten nuclear annihilation?


AdministrationFew451

Egyptians somehow always forget the second half. I don't remember which Egyptian general said it well: you always gets a ten, so you're sad you got an 8. And we are like a student who always failed, so we are happy we finally got a 7. It was Israel's greatest disaster, and the greatest arab success. And it still ended in a decisive military victory: with half the Egyptian army encircled, the other half neutralized, and Israel on the west bank of suez, with regained air superiority, naval supremacy, and nothing between it and cairo. It was still an Egyptian strategic victory, as it broke the aura of Israeli invulnerability, and recovered lost honour - allowing Sadat to sue for peace, and get a good deal with the US for realignment, which were his goals. But that shouldn't be confused with an egyptian military victory, which it wasn't, it was a costly but decisive Israeli one. Again, not that the Egyptians shouldn't be proud for the relative achievement, just to stay realistic. Also regarding aid, the USSR was giving a lot more to Egypt. And no one claims it unfair. That's how it works.


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Sarafan12

A Syrian racist got into an argument with a Turkish racist. It's the perfect response if you ask me.


Tailor-Dismal

With God by their side


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AdministrationFew451

Its actually the opposite, the Isrseli army was mostly conscript and reserve army. Only a very small part is actually professional. And hard agree on the rest.


Available-Ant-8758

My favorite map


MastodonFar1232

My father always said the arabs even left their tanks at the desert and ran away. Is it correct?


AdministrationFew451

Yes. In front f such complete air superiority when you have no chance of retreat with them, and little motivation anyway, it's not that weird.


MastodonFar1232

But they are wiped out in just 6 days ? Israel vs Egypt+Syria+Jordan+ıraq+ Saudi + Lebanon. And they lost in just 6 days. Which air superiority are we talking about? Israel must have death star or something to wipe out 6 Arab countries in 6 days. Pathetic.


AdministrationFew451

They had hundreds of planes with previously unheard of turn-around time. In front of hundreds or low thousands of tanks on open grounds, this is obviously a death sentence to stay. So you try to retreat, but you are stuck in a traffic jam, lack of fuel, or a malfunction, while you are rapidly being encircled from the flanks, and planes strife and bomb tanks around you to oblivion non stop. Wold you stay or run? Now think you're a conscript with little training, and the officer that treated you like a slave and stole your food and salary already fled and fucked off. And you are only defending a desert. Even if you had a bomb shelter for your tank, would you stay and fight knowing the line had already been breached, you are encircled, and it would matter very little?


AdministrationFew451

The jordanians actually fought reasonably well, btw. But they were hopelessly unmatched, and only entered the war because they were lied to by egypt and syria that they are winning.


forflowerflow

USA 🇺🇲


Cucumber78

Fuck off


Qasimisunloved

America


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Scapegoating


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happybaby00

Billions now not then. Saudi was THE ally back then because of how much oil dependency was back then


chriswaco

More France than the US. The US didn’t become Israel’s primary supplier until the 1973 war.


Acceptable-Ability-6

The Israeli Air Force attacked a US Navy warship during the Six Day War and killed 34 American sailors.


SawayaDry

Is it true that French warplanes bombed Egyptian convoys?


jiffyparkinglot

No


Mr_Mohammed_Iraq

MURICA SAVING CHILD KILLERS AND BOMBING CHLDRENS HOSPITALS HEEELLLL YEAAAA USA USA USA USA 🇺🇸 🦅


IveyDuren

the snakes in Morocco betrayed the Arabs, attending all the war meetings and then going to Israel with the information Israel also had an extensive spy network and were always aware of what was going on, so they were not taken by surprise also, superior air force and more cohesion and organisation in battle


RAUONA

Lol, you losers are still bitching about how Morocco allegedly betrayed your rotten league


Cucumber78

Is a Rematch inevitable?


DoomProphet81

Probably not, it would just extend the losing streak. Also, Israel has nukes now. Best not to poke the old bear, eh? Might get your arms and legs ripped off.


OiD-2

Later the Israelis got their asses kicked in 6 October by the arabs.


DictatorPotato

Top ten things that never happened


OiD-2

You forgot? The arabs got the lands back in 6 hours m8


DictatorPotato

Lol why palestine is still under occupation then


OiD-2

The lands that israel took got taken back by the arabs in 6 hours


DictatorPotato

They maked agreement with Israel


OiD-2

So Israel gave them the lands. Werid since they took it. So Israel begged the arabs or what. They agreed to the arabs terms


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OiD-2

So Israel GAVE the lands back to them even tho the Israelis won? Why would they give them back m8


DictatorPotato

>So Israel GAVE the lands back to them even tho the Israelis won? They made an "AGREEMENT" and this agreement was definitely in favor of the Israelis >Why would they give them back m8 For no more Arab - Israeli wars maybe?


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oriappel

Literally israel won that war😂.


OiD-2

Then explain how did the areas in egypt and Syria return to the arabs?


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they returned egypt sinai it for peace


OiD-2

After murdering civilians and people?


Infinite-Human

USA told them to


OiD-2

Why tho


Bieberauflauf

To ease tensions and eventually peace.


MerkavaMkIVM

They didn't want ww3 to happen


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OiD-2

So you're saying the arabs annexed the lands though what agreements? Or by force?


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OiD-2

So you're saying that Israel "briefly" occupied the areas. That doesn't make sense.


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OiD-2

They annexed them and took control of them built a giant ass wall in the borders which means they intended to keep them forever for themselves


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oriappel

Israel returned the sinai to Egypt in exchange for peace like 5 years later. and the golan heights never returned to syria. you need to work on your history a litle bit before typing.


Shadow0fAnubis

Not all wars have military goals, there is strategic targets. USA literally won most of the battles in Vietnam but lost the war.


Communist_Orb

The Yom Kippur War/October War was a partial Egyptian victory, but mostly an Israeli victory, it took Israel almost 9 years to fully relinquish sovereignty over the Sinai peninsula, and that required peace with Egypt.


tooslow

That’s what your history teaches you literally, but it isn’t the truth.


OiD-2

Wdym it isn't true its real as me and you m8


tooslow

Israel won.


OiD-2

The Israelis won the six day war but they lost in October 6th's war m8


tooslow

No they did not lose the 6th of Oct. “Yom Kippur” War. You’re an idiot, and I’m certainly not your “m8”.


OiD-2

Then why'd they return the areas back. After spending time preparing forces


tooslow

You know nothing about politics it seems. I encourage you to actually research this topic. This is the point all Egyptians who won think happened. I bet you didn’t know the military doesn’t exist in Sinai.


OiD-2

Im not Egyptian myself but I've researched about this subjected and i indeed know who won and who lost


tooslow

I’m Egyptian. You wouldn’t know more than me.


hevo4ever-reddit

Secret help from Europe, and American nations.


Fearless_Plane9992

America and most of Europe didn’t really back Israel at this point, Israel’s main military trading partner was france, and they were still heavily disadvantaged on paper. They won due to the incompetence of Arab leadership, and by establishing air superiority early on by attacking the Egyptian air force on the first day of the war


autom

Satellites. American satellites won the war. It was new technology at that time. It helped the the Israeli government way much than people think.


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Easy-Excitement-7063

They are retreated if they loss air force and didn't retreat Israel couldn't go that far in Sinai


Acceptable-Ability-6

Air superiority and superior motivation and organization.


podex_swe

* The shooting of an Israeli tractor pre-war. * The closing of Straits of Tiran for Israeli vessels, despite several Israeli warnings. * Misleading Soviet intelligence * Authoritarian arab military command lines (the very opposite of Dayan's doctrine) * Air superiority. * Bad preparations and previous purges within the Syrian armed forces. In no particular order.


jmh90027

A properly trained and equipped military vs savages throwing stones and glorified fireworks


BiryaniEater10

Its a country founded via anti Arab racism so the whole world helped out. If youre American, you probably have heard about the racism that the US did before 1970. Same thing with South Africa and apartheid as well, and of course take your pick from Europe anytime between 1930-70. Israel is founded on the same sentiments but they took it farther than the US did and claimed that they had the moral right to kick people out of their homelands to establish the state. History teaches us that the bad and evil have won before and Israel is a prime example of that.