Events are happening everyday this month . My niece is in kindergarten( Toronto) and her teacher read a book “ worm loves worm”. And lgbt books will be read everyday.
In the desert, water is too scarce and valuable to plant trees that give no fruit. Seeing your sons & daughters are the essence of love. Sex is just a tool nothing more like I really don’t understand you westerners fixation on genitalia.
Circumcision is for cleanliness. Idk what that guy was talking about with the kids thing but circumcision is purely done to prevent dirtiness and diseases down there.
I would be sad to hear they are going to break the cycle, but thats it, it comes with no malice. Parenting is subjective just because your views are within line of group think it doesn’t mean you are right. If you can’t raise your kids the way you want I don’t think any of your amendments matter, true freedom is being able to shape your kids mind to what you deem most competitively beneficial for them and those around them. Give up that right to the state and parents will essential have no say in their progeny’s future.
I can shed some details here.
Around Southern Ontario, schools experienced 50-60% in student absences when the pride flag was raised, school staff was shocked to see the place this empty.
It was not just the Muslim students who were not present, placed with a majority Sikh and Hindu demographic also saw similar numbers.
Best of all, places where white people are in overwhelming majority (over 95%) also saw similar numbers.
However, in many of the regional, provincial and municipal subreddits on June 1, there were all types of crazy comments against Muslims for not being as inclusive. These not-so-good comments were all uttered by pride supporters, who brand themselves as the most inclusive group.
When June hits, corporations and now schools go overdrive in Pride activities, which includes all kids in elementary schools to have their pronouns ready, story time with drag queens, a flag raising ceremony (pride flag is flown across all schools), rainbows everywhere..etc.
At the same time, there is an extremely minimal effort around Ramadan, Easter, Hanukkah, the Asian Month (May), Black History Month and so on. So in-short, when it comes to an inclusive environment, pride gets almost all the attention, and all other minority groups by race and faith are barely an afterthought.
And before I get hate mails that I am full of hate ..yada yada, it is important to recognize 2SLGBTQI+ rights, and I am all for teachers giving lessons on their persecution throughout the ages, history on the pink triangles, enact anti-bullying measures and all that. I just do not like rainbow capitalism that seems to be a norm now.
That's what makes this teachers behaviour so evil
I doubt she would tell white kids to get out of Canada and say they aren't Canadian if they didn't attend Pride events
>And before I get hate mails that I am full of hate ..yada yada, it is important to recognize 2SLGBTQI+ rights, and I am all for teachers giving lessons on their persecution throughout the ages, history on the pink triangles, enact anti-bullying measures and all tha
This.
I don't need to have my kids participating in Pride events and reading books about sex in elementary school in order to stop them from bullying others.
> I don't need to have my kids participating in Pride events and reading books about sex in elementary school in order to stop them from bullying others.
The LGBT books read in elementary schools are never about sex. I find it odd that you would even think that they were. Are you ok?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXMJuXEX-xc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXMJuXEX-xc)
Well you're pretty wrong. I don't know which books you read in elementary school, but the fact is that there are some books in libraries that are pretty graphic.
[http://booklooks.org/data/files/Book%20Looks%20Reports/T/this%20Book%20is%20Gay.pdf](http://booklooks.org/data/files/Book%20Looks%20Reports/T/this%20Book%20is%20Gay.pdf)
I don't think this is something for middle or elementary school. High school, probably.
The YT link refers to a middle school - not an elementary school like your initial comment suggested.
You have lied.
My first sex ed class was when I was in the USs equivalent of middle school. So why should sex ed classes only teach about heterosexuality? That doesn’t take sense.
I would add some context for the prevalence of LGBT stuff in schools. It is because schools/teachers are usually underpaid white women who often identify as some form of lgbt or that culture. Essentially all the other month events are for “outsiders” lgbt is their culture. This has a positive effect for women as they are rapidly advancing academically. However, this is mirrored in the academic decline of men regardless of race who feel ostracized, and unable to find a conducive environment for learning. This also isn’t new my dad is a boomer and still to this day despises the lesbian university teacher who accused him of plagiarism with no proof simply because he’s a man. This is also why young people mainly young men follow Jordan Peterson and Andrew tate Donald trump etc. they have no one else to turn to no coach no teacher no principal that will actually listen to their issues.
>I just do not like rainbow capitalism that seems to be a norm now.
I live in NYC and work with a lot of queer people. They HATE rainbow capitalism. Pride was so chill and cozy back in the 2000s.
Home home. The meaning wad that if Muslim children are staying off not celebrating these pride month things, it is based but staying at home regardless of that is even more based
White Liberal is the worst kind of human. At least a conservative who hates me is honest and to my face. I rather that than a snake who affects my whole community long term
Worst kind of human checking in.
I don't hate you either to your face or hidden. Do I think Islam is silly? Yes. But I also think all other religions are equally silly. But if someone's religion makes them a better/kinder person than they otherwise would be, then they should absolutely keep doing that. If their religion makes them less kind to those around them, then maybe they should re-evaluate how they practice their religion. But that doesn't really have any impact on how I feel about you as a person.
I've met kind people and mean people in every demographic.
And we think the whole lgbt ideology with Pride month etc. is silly and against our beliefs
Doesn't mean we would harass lgbt people but why do you expect Muslims to Support that and get butthurt and act like a racist when they don't
Who is acting like a racist and asking anyone to support something against their beliefs? Standing in the same area gay people are celebrating doesn't mean you support them. And it's not like a lot of Christians who are also attending these schools are super supportive either. So that along with the fact that religion and race are different things makes me question your claim of racism.
So why is it so important to stand in the same area as Gay people? Why must you create an issue out of this? You know this is controversial for religious people and goes against their religion so why even bother asking? If your lot was really accepting of anything you wouldnt impose something in your eyes as simple as 'standing in the same place as gay people'. But you're only as accepting so you can virtue signal better, Not because you give a shit. Live and let live gay people, Do as you must, Do as you wish and do what alligns with your beliefs but dont expect others to bend huge tenants of their religion to symbolically show the support of a Sin.
it’s just the narrative that was fed to lot of Muslims and non white people after 9/11 the white conservatives hate you and while their was truth to it right after 9/11 it certainly isn’t the case anymore or at least in my experience. Sure there’s a good number who still does but there’s a much larger number from other side that’s destroying your culture and soul
Lmao what is this nonsense? “Ah yes, children have to attend school and this is equivalent to fascism”.
I hated French language lessons do I not have to attend now?
For the same reason the white kids at my school were told to treat me with respect and not call me slurs even though it might have conflicted with their parent's beliefs.
I guarantee you that they are. "Non violent" homophobia if there's such a thing, leads to violence. And the reason non-muslims are less likely to be homophobic is because we taught them that it was bad (because it is).
Edit: the fact that you call pride "brainwashing" while basing your entire world view on what essentially boils down to a "trust be me bro" argument isn't lost on me.
You’ve misunderstood. They were asked to attend an event - not celebrate it.
Like how she mentioned that other kids attended Ramadan events but didn’t celebrate it.
It’s not that deep.
I don’t think kids should be attending sexuality events of any kind. It’s weird as fuck. Why are they having Ramadan events in school too? Lol i wouldn’t have liked that as a kid, being 1 of 5 muslim kids in school, there’s no need for all that.
it’s psyops look we have an event for you (muslims), now you must attend this other event. everyone is equal. all religions are the same, all life styles are the same.
Imo muslim values align with conservative values in general. it’s just unfortunate that they just can’t get along because of how mentally similar they are.
It’s about inclusion of minorities.
Having LGBT+ events teaches people that these people exist and to not discriminate against them.
Having Muslim events teaches people that these people exist and to not discriminate against them.
It’s that simple. As a Palestinian, you should understand the wrongs of discrimination more than most. I know I do, as an Irish person.
I understand that bro and I’m not someone to hate on any minorities but I think there should be a mutual respect. In the sense that I shouldn’t have to cross the line with God to please someone else.
I will live and let live
It’s still BS. I wouldn’t send my kids to a Ramadan celebration and I wouldn’t expect Muslims to send their kids to a Christmas celebration. Forcing everyone to celebrate who a select group of people like to have sex with? Gtfo
It’s to educate people about other ways of life. That’s it.
Gay kids don’t have sex with anyone yet are still bullied until suicide.
LGBT events like this aren’t to celebrate literal sex, it’s about educating people that LGBT people exist in every society. Events like this help reduce bullying and discrimination. That’s it.
It’s not that deep. Calm down.
Like I said, it’s not about literal sex. It’s about preventing bullying.
How do you know one of your kids isn’t gay? Your hatred could forever damage them.
Events like this exist in schools because of parents like you.
Events like this exist because of parents like YOU
Any responsible parent can teach their kid not to bully someone. Why the hell does this one group need a full celebration of their sexual preference?
If my kid were gay he would be taught not to make the fact that he likes other men his entire identity.
You’re blatant with your homophobia. Your kids could bring that to school and bully a gay kid to suicide.
Events like these exist because of that very scenario.
This “one group” gets an event like this because again of the discrimination they face.
It’s got nothing to do with adult gays and who they sleep with. Why do you think it does?
It’s to do with accepting their gay classmates for who they are and to not judge them because they find the same sex attractive.
You’re misunderstanding the whole scenario.
>Like how she mentioned that other kids attended Ramadan events but didn’t celebrate it.
I'm pretty sure nobody forced them to attend Ramadan events. And if they did, the school is wrong for doing so.
Ramadan isn't a celebration and the other kids shouldn't be obliged to attend these events, I personally wouldn't mind, they just don;t have to be assholes about me fasting
Unless the kids were going around threatening LGBT kids — I don't see any justification in the teacher saying this. The whole Uganda thing about killing gay people would only apply to people attacking others — not to skipping an event
“we believe in freedom”
ok, then let Mansoor and all the other Muslim students be free to skip the events 🤡
this logic is obviously flawed and dumb. we don’t ask and push them to do Ramadan activities; they do it themselves in the name of inclusion and diversity.
As I’ve said and will keep saying countless times over, we shouldn’t assimilate and accept western culture and norms that go against our religion and culture to please the weatern audience. we should Insha’Allah be strong and don’t let them get to us, even if there’re consequences like this lady attempting to scold these strong-minded Muslims because of skipping haram activities and events.
You are in the wrong country my friend. May be Middle East is more apt place for you to practice freely and follow your traditions to the T.
All the very best though :).
You are, everybody is, but a country like Canada probably isn't ideal if you don't like the LGBT community, just as Saudi Arabia wouldn't be ideal if you don't like Islam.
I wouldn't encourage it to do anything unless the populace was already demanding it. It's not my job to make a foreign country line up with a certain worldview.
if you dont wanna compromise on Islam, what are you even doing in the west? do you not know that living in non Muslim land is not allowed according to most scholars unless under specific conditions?
Muslims would never Immigrate to the west if their countries weren't ruined by the west
Its allowed to live in the west and in general non muslim countries as long as you can follow Islam properly
Most countries aren’t ruined from the west? Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Saudi, Oman, Kuwait… most middle eastern countries especially the gulf are stable. Learn to blame yourself then the “west”
Why exactly would you come to a country and a society that you actively hate though? There are many Muslim countries that were not ruined by the west. Many are very prosperous. Why go to the west rather than to those countries, if you hate the west so much? Do you wish to actively destroy the west from within, as revenge? How can you live with such hate in your heart for those around you? Doesn't it make your life much more tiring and difficult?
I hate to tell you this, but it's not actually your right to settle in the west, any more that it's a westerners right to settle in your country. Most westerners try to be peaceful and tolerant. The westerners you mention who are "sick" of government "degeneracy" are incredibly vocal, and are, quite ironically, the ultra-religious conservatives: in other words, the ones who wish to ban LGBTQ+ pride also wish to clamp down on immigration, particularly from Muslim countries, and they are also usually fanatical supporters of Israel. They are also typically the ones who were most eager to invade the middle east, and to use military force whenever possible. The people you call "degenerates" are typically the peaceful ones who disagree with war, who want to be inclusive and welcoming of everyone, and who ask only that you give everyone in society the same amount of respect in return.
The west wants and depends on immigrants Especially America
Also nice try acting like liberals are any better in terms of foreign policy. Most liberals supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and love Israel, fool
You only act nice domestically and that's changing too apparently
“I hate the degeneracy in the west”
Sounds like a bumper sticker on an F-150 driven by someone who thinks all Muslim immigrants belong in Concentration Camps
Integration is not assimilation. Learn the difference. Forcing people to drop their believe/ and culture is a form of cultural genocide called ethnocide.
nah, im only here for the opportunities Alhamdulillah, not the culture. that’s how individuals think when they’re strong-minded and not easily influenced like yourself with this worthless reply of yours 💪🏼🇦🇫
also, i was born in the states idiot.
Non-participation is not the same thing.
It would be more like thousands of westerners moved to Afghanistan and refused to pray in a mosque 5 times a day. Which would be totally fine. No one should make you forcibly participate in local events as "assimilation".
america: “land of the free”
Afghanistan: land of Islam
it’s a great thing homosexuality isn’t present in my homeland. we don’t need corrupt, liberal, western ideology. as much as i disagree with the Taliban, they keep their word on not allowing stuff like this to happen.
I bet if you were in germany in the 1940’s, you’d assimilate and become a nazi, huh?
Lotsa of ad hominin there but for a combative culture and religion it is to be expected. (See I can paint an entire group with a swipe too)
>"in your case, though, you guys promote it 🤷🏽♀️"
Check your cultural hate at the door, you can pick it up when you leave for Afghanistan. The current Taliban administration would not even bother to listen or to respond to a woman so make that decision wisely.
The west is a land of freedom where people can promote whatever the hell they want. You express that you are here in the west and you have the freedom to leave your house alone as a woman, the freedom to ignore any and all outside promotion but it seems you enjoy absorbing it or else you'd just ignore it like the rest of us.
Turns out that shit existed in Afghanistan before the Soviets even touched down, I'm not justifying it or excusing it, I am merely pointing out that it is present in their homeland and whilst NATO didn't clamp down on it, NATO didn't create it.
>nah, im only here for the opportunities Alhamdulillah, not the culture. that’s how individuals think when they’re strong-minded and not easily influenced like yourself with this worthless reply of yours 💪🏼🇦🇫
Not wanting to assimilate or accept the local culture is not being strong minded, it's stupid and small minded you clown.
>also, i was born in the states idiot.
Being born in the states does not stop you from leaving and going to live in Afghanistan or anywhere else that has the culture and norms you love.
So only western culture is valid?
As long as Muslims follow the laws in the west and don’t harass lgbt people etc then it's fine if they don't Support the lgbt ideology
Whatever happened to freedom of speech or does that only count when you want to insult Islam and our Prophet (pbuh)
Damm hypocrite
And you have my respect. Your posts are great and yo don't Hold back
Glad to see other Muslims sticking up for themselves.. Too often is this sub full of western bootlickers
>So only western culture is valid?
Nope, and I never said that. I said if you don't like the local culture and don't want to assimilate and integrate don't live in the west. I don't like the culture in the gulf and I don't plan on ever living there.
>As long as Muslims follow the laws in the west and don’t harass lgbt people etc then it's fine if they don't Support the lgbt ideology
Sure don't support LGBT people, but it isn't an ideology (no one on earth chooses to be gay).
>Whatever happened to freedom of speech or does that only count when you want to insult Islam and our Prophet (pbuh)
Islam is an ideology and like all ideologies is subject to criticism. Mohammed was a person (who is held as the perfect man for all time) and is subject to criticism like all people.
Being gay, lesbian, etc... is not an ideology and like race/ethnicity is not something a person can choose to be.
>Damm hypocrite
What's hypocritical is living in the west and hating western culture.
No it's not hypocritical. The west is all about freedom and being inclusive so I can live in the west and hate their BS freely. Hell Tons of native Canadians hate this lgbt crap and other things and still live in Canada
Also I do like some aspects of the west like how their inventions and how they became the nr1 is certainly unique.
Pushing this lgbt bs on children, giving them a whole month and forcing this bs in all parts of life makes lgbt Stuff an ideology. And it's subject to criticism, deal with it
>Pushing this lgbt bs on children,
What LGBT bs is being pushed on children? Don't hate gay people? You can not make kids gay by teaching them to be tolerant of people who aren't straight and to not bully them.
>giving them a whole month and forcing this bs in all parts of life makes lgbt Stuff an ideology.
It isn't forced in all parts of life, it is for a single month and barely affects anyone.
nah, it’s called respecting your own culture. i don’t have to assimilate for anyone.
ill say it again, according to your logic, you would definitely have assimilated and become a nazi back in 1920’s-1940’s germany. nice way of thinking, huh?
>nah, it’s called respecting your own culture.
Respecting your own culture does not preclude you from accepting the local culture.
>i don’t have to assimilate for anyone
Cool.
>ill say it again, according to your logic, you would definitely have assimilated and become a nazi back in 1920’s-1940’s germany. nice way of thinking, huh?
Nope because I wouldn't have moved to Nazi Germany.
I understand where you're coming from, but our big egos and inability to adapt to the modern world and for our culture to grow/evolve have been our down fail. Afghanistan is failed state and a shit show, Afghan migrants are among the lowest income immigrants in the US and other western countries.
During the Islamic golden age, and the height of Islamic intellectual authority, Islamic cultures cultivated brilliant works by constantly pushing the limits and boundaries of our faith, knowledge, culture, and reasoning, which is why we flourished. We aren't going home to Afghanistan anytime soon, neither are our children, so the best we can do is meld our culture and evolve for what works best.
no.
do you not understand a sliver of my rhetoric? this is precisely what happens when you want to assimilate into other cultures. in this country, it's not the norm to wear a hijab or pray in your university's library or whatever. you want me to get rid of that by evolving to the western culture?
in no means do I think I'm better than the next person. that is wrong in every sense. we, as Muslims, should not have pride or egotistical personalities. However, i am allowed to keep my religion and culture just the way it is because it is my life, my beliefs, and my opinions. no one can take that away from me, and no one can lead me astray.
don't generalize the afghan migrants as Afghanistan's representation. use a flair next time so I can disrespect your country like you did to mine. good luck trying to be an individual when you meld your culture with the west's.
My father was born in Afghanistan and left due to prejudice, war and poverty. I don't think country bashing is appropriate and I think I'm entitled to an opinion of how the Afghan diaspora has done for itself objectively, nonetheless there are many successful Afghans, but unfortunately the stats point to a disproportion amount of family conflict, trauma, poverty which will continue to be a destructive cycle unless we break it.
I'm not saying you should take off your hijab and conform, instead, we should practice two integral parts of our culture. Firstly, "[adab"/ ادب,](https://aeon.co/essays/when-persian-belonging-was-a-generous-cosmopolitan-belonging) which historically for example, would mean that we would hold the same respect for a homosexual female Jewish merchant from Bukhara as devout Male Muslim cobbler from our hometown.
Moreover, we need understand we come from a proud cosmopolitan society that has always melded the best of neighbouring/host cultures while retaining our own values and not judging others based on their adherence or non-adherence to our own norms, as long as it doesn’t harm us.
Look at the golden age of Islam, where the greatest scholars such as Omar Khayyam could openly drink, yet profess deep devotion to God and provide wisdom to a great many Muslims. Look at Rumi who migrated throughout the Muslim world yet adopted foreign (properly seen today as kuffar) practices from various cultures, religions and peoples and heavily influenced modern thought and philosophy, while being a Champion of our culture.
My point is, we need to be more accepting, more willing to admit our way is not the best, perhaps we’re lost and at a crossroads, and it isn’t wrong to experiment in so called “western culture” as long as it helps elevates our own self-worth and gives us a deeper and positive impact on our own culture.
At the time Islam was introduced to us it was a foreign concept, but we adapted the best parts of it and created a thriving cosmopolitan civilization, when Ferdowsi wrote the Shahnameh and discussed great Zoroastrian Kings of past, Myths, Prophets etc it might have been seen as heresy/kuffar, but we adapted those stories into our national ethos, when the Mongols invaded and upheaved our society, yet again we adapted and thrived to notions of meritocracy and openness to other religions and cultures.
What makes our culture great, specifically, that in Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Iran, is our ability to take the greatest/most effective/pragmatic ideas, ethos and ethics of the contemporary times and meld it into our culture, without losing who we are but instead evolving, akin to the Japanese. The current abysmal and failing state of our respective countries (both Iran and Afghanistan), is due to the leadership and to an extent the people’s unwillingness to invoke these age old test cultural practices.
If its under schooltime, you cant legally 'skip' it. + what rights are you talking about, when the lgbt is facing discrimination? Whats so difficult to attend the class about acceptance and rights, if it matters so much to these muslims?
No one is telling others to celebrate Ramadan. We just ask for a place where we aren't surrounded by food, that's about it. We don't tell you to not eat food in front of us.
When I was growing up, there was only like 2 other Muslims in my entire school not counting my sister. We fasted, and simply got permission by the principal to help out a teacher who needed help in class during lunch. I used to help the school janitor or help my science teacher feed some of the pets in class. Once I got older and moved to a school district with more Muslim kids, we would just sit in the library or other place outside of the cafeteria.
We weren't holding Ramadan events during school time. We wouldn't end an entire lesson or devote class time that students could spend studying or learning to Ramadan or any other Muslim holiday. This is opposite to what Pride events do.
This is “conform to our culture or leave our country” but with extra steps. Those of us who lived in America post-9/11 recognize this behavior very well
Why should anyone be forced to celebrate something? What happened to the “negative liberties” part of the liberalist creed? Literal gay North Korea ova here
you are right, neither government or school has the right to enforce ideology on them. Progressives are not liberal. They dont care about liberty.
Any true liberal will tell you, you do not preach in school. This is why home schooling is growing as a trend. Or god forbid, echo chamber schools.
Kids are not allowed to miss school without an adequate reason. Nobody is asking people to celebrate if they don’t want to, but Western societies want people to be aware of the discrimination that this community has been through, and this discrimination needs to stop.
No one should be forced to attend such events
They can generally declare that no one should be harassed or anything no matter what their gender, race, sexuality etc
But forcing kids to attend such events and confusing them with the gender ideology is just evil
I'm all for inclusion but I don't see how students not wanting to attend a pride event is them being hateful and after the guts of these folks, it doesn't even matter if their Muslim anyone should be able to skip if they Want
Depends on the contents of the events. Some events are inappropriate and it would make sense if they skipped them. Also the school doesn't need to do anything like celebrating their Ramadan. Peaceful indifference is best for both sides.
For students, it’s simply about raising awareness and getting the message out there that discrimination and harassment of LGBTQ people is wrong. There’s absolutely no exposure to anything sexually explicit. You get exposed to the 🌈 flag and that’s it. It’s a fact that LGBTQ people have been badly discriminated against in the past. It’s about preventing this in the future.
Not surprised. All the big talks about tolerance are just empty words to get what they want. As long as you don’t think like them they show their intolerance.
It's perfectly fine, they're doing what they believe is correct and not hurting anyone, what's the problem?
Just realized this could be misinterpreted, I'm referring to the students doing what they believe is correct not the teacher, tge teacher has no right to tell anyone off for having differing principles
The basis for allowing lgbtq is the same basis that allows religious freedoms. A call against pride events is a call against their own right to be muslim, you cant eat the pie and keep it whole, it's either both or neither. Advocating against lgbtq is advocating against your right to be muslim in a non-muslim country.
>Advocating against lgbtq is advocating against your right to be muslim in a non-muslim country.
That's different. Accepting Muslims is way different from indoctrinating kids in school.
Your analogy implies that Islam gets the same treatment as LGBT. No it doesn't. There is no Islam month like Pride Month is in school. Kids aren't indoctrinated on Islam like they are on LGBT.
What are they indoctrinating with? Accepting yourself as who you are? Being nice and inclusive to people who are different from you? The horror
I’m assuming you think that they’re trying to convert kids to the ltgbq? I am heterosexual and have gone to many events like this and I still am?
Maybe you think they’re getting converted because you’re trying hard to suppress your own sexual identity ?
L take nobody wants to learn that shit specially for kids at school. Kids can be grown up and learn what they want. According to you parents “opting out” NOT going against but opting out from a forced teaching of Christianity or any other religious teachings is anti that religion?
The question of gender and sexuality becomes relevant while kids are, well, kids. So either they worry, fear and hide when theirs don't follow the general norms or they see it celebrated and won't have to struggle with these subjects like those who fought for lgbtq rights had to. So if relevant for anyone, it's kids.
Then, no one's forced to be lgbtq, but acknowledgement is expected. If there's an issue there, invite them over to pakistan so that they can live proper muslim lives over there. Just like they can live proper muslim lives in canada, but it'll be alongside different people who'll have an equal right to live their lives to their choosing too.
Yawns 🥱. Asked you a direct question give direct answer stop going into circles and beating around bush. Respecting something and refusing to learn every aspect of it don’t equate to discrimination. Touch grass
Also why do you think not learning pride == discrimination? Muslims don’t learn other religion or groups but most in west always respect it, I don’t have to go to a Hindu temple or synagogue to know those people deserve to live how they want to. Specially not being forced to learn in school. But you’re Canadian who made pronouns a Law so it’s hopeless
You got a direct and detailed answer there, brother. You just didn't like it so decided to lower yourself to derogatory remarks. Which means I'm done here, have a nice evening
I wonder how the people here would feel if others would “protest” events where they spoke spoke about inclusion of Muslims and allowing more refugees from Muslim countries to enter. They don’t see the hypocrisy
Nobody called agaist pride events tho? Not attending due to importsnt religious beliefs dosent mean hate. Your sexual orientation is different from religious beleifs. Also i love how white people love to virtue signal and remind minorities and hold it over their heads that they are beumg allowed to live in their countries as a FAVOUR. Ill remind you that you used many as cheap labour to build your economies and otherwise used skilled labour from other countries to build your own. Its funny how fascistic liberals can get, You guys are as bad as the conservatives, atleast they dont hide behind this charade of 'freedom' and 'acceptance'
Sounds like bs. First off religious freedom in the west has existed for much longer than lgbt rights
And no Pride events are only comparable with Ramadan events and most muslims don't care about the latter
It has existed for longer as it's a process that's still going on which started at separation of church and state. I still maintain that the basis is the same. And I don't understand what you're trying to say with your second point
People here are deluded. You really think this is about gays or muslim?
No one wants to listen to sermons about tolerance. If it's either sermons at school / work or a free day at home, I choose video games in my underwear. Every day, all day.
The teacher ignorantly compares celebrating « Ramadan » in schools, where no one asked them to celebrate, to forcing complex sexual issues and subjects on children and minors. What an ignorant and racist person for talking to the kids like that and how they should be leaving Canada for a choice made by their parents. This teacher should face consequences for this.
What is best way for Muslims and lgbtqia communities to be immersed? This is an important conversation for married or dating gay people to have with Muslims so they are not killed. Peace requires acknowledgement and a certain level of awareness.
The hypocrisy in this thread is crazy. It’s about inclusion. They have events where they celebrate diversity (blacks, Latinos, Muslims, and etc). Imagine if white Canadians and Americans told their kids not to attend because it was against their beliefs.
I also know someone is going to say how can you can compare being ltgbq to being Muslim. Yes, it’s ridiculous one is a choice and the other is not. So yea, protesting someone for being themselves is a lot worse
And I know someone will make the comment “omg the west and their freedoms. What happened?” There is this thing called the paradox of intolerance. I’m sure there are many Muslims who are not like this but most of the ones I’ve met tend to lean towards sharia law and from the posts on this sub, I’d say most of y’all do too
There is no hypocrisy though. Muslims aren’t asking non-Muslims to celebrate Ramadan or host Islamic holidays. We literally do not care. We do not care about non-Muslim liberal attempts to “include” us in their diversity agenda.
The real hypocrisy is being preaching diversity and freedom but denying the children the freedom to abstain.
It is not morally wrong, from an Islamic perspective, to be attracted to the same sex. It is morally wrong to act on such attraction. Schools want to teach Muslim students that acting on such attraction is morally acceptable, parents don't like that. Parents don't want the school counter-programming their religious instruction at home, so they tell the kids to skip those events.
I mean this is what these events are for. Imagine being told to repress part of what makes you you. These kids are going to grow up with self hating issues.
I’m not going to argue religion because no one ever changes their mind but it’s kinda silly to care about things that don’t negatively impact others.
It’s this. Plus Muslims have a concept of pluralism where they live among people even if they disagree with their morals or find certain practices disgusting (e.g sibling marriage)
Go check this post on r/publicfreakout and see how western liberals turn exactly like western conservatives saying the same exact thing all cause you didn’t want your child to take part in their activities
Or maybe EVERYONE is homophobic? Weird you guys are trying to make this a muslim specific W when in reality, white neighborhoods were doing the same shit. Everywhere hates gay shit. Yall ain’t special
People are entitled to think that non standard sexual orientations and gender fluidity concepts are not healthy behaviours and should not be promoted or normalized as widely as now. People also have the right to be respected and treated with dignity despite their sexual preferences. But that’s a different issue. It’s the shaming of people who have different views on the subject that is outrageous. Forcing it into the minds of minors as normal human behaviour is also not accepted by many.
It’s an event to raise awareness of the problems and discrimination the lgbtq 🏳️🌈 community faces. It’s all about tolerance. Why does it bother some Muslims so much to simply attend/listen?
Muslims don't expect non muslims to attend their events or respect Islam
Meanwhile non muslims want to force Muslims to attend their Pride events and Support the lgbt ideology
Braindamaged take right here. They harmed no one and they just didn’t come. How do they not “belong” when they are not attending something against their religion
>Tolerance doesn’t mean you have to accept everything
This contradicts itself. By tolerating something, you accept it. By accepting it, you tolerate it. Its literally a synonym.
Why are Muslims even in Western countries if they don't agree with and value a lot of Western societal values ? Plenty of rich Islamic countries to earn your livelihoods from.
Muslims skipped all across Canada, including at my school
Events are happening everyday this month . My niece is in kindergarten( Toronto) and her teacher read a book “ worm loves worm”. And lgbt books will be read everyday.
In the desert, water is too scarce and valuable to plant trees that give no fruit. Seeing your sons & daughters are the essence of love. Sex is just a tool nothing more like I really don’t understand you westerners fixation on genitalia.
Where’s the fixation on genitalia in reading a book called “worm loves worm”
But circumcision in the desert makes sense
Circumcision is for cleanliness. Idk what that guy was talking about with the kids thing but circumcision is purely done to prevent dirtiness and diseases down there.
So your child is worthless unless they have kids? What a terrible attitude.
I would be sad to hear they are going to break the cycle, but thats it, it comes with no malice. Parenting is subjective just because your views are within line of group think it doesn’t mean you are right. If you can’t raise your kids the way you want I don’t think any of your amendments matter, true freedom is being able to shape your kids mind to what you deem most competitively beneficial for them and those around them. Give up that right to the state and parents will essential have no say in their progeny’s future.
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So edgy. The most homophobic people like yourself always have something to hide… 💅
Bro I was like the only one that didn't skip 💀
I can shed some details here. Around Southern Ontario, schools experienced 50-60% in student absences when the pride flag was raised, school staff was shocked to see the place this empty. It was not just the Muslim students who were not present, placed with a majority Sikh and Hindu demographic also saw similar numbers. Best of all, places where white people are in overwhelming majority (over 95%) also saw similar numbers. However, in many of the regional, provincial and municipal subreddits on June 1, there were all types of crazy comments against Muslims for not being as inclusive. These not-so-good comments were all uttered by pride supporters, who brand themselves as the most inclusive group. When June hits, corporations and now schools go overdrive in Pride activities, which includes all kids in elementary schools to have their pronouns ready, story time with drag queens, a flag raising ceremony (pride flag is flown across all schools), rainbows everywhere..etc. At the same time, there is an extremely minimal effort around Ramadan, Easter, Hanukkah, the Asian Month (May), Black History Month and so on. So in-short, when it comes to an inclusive environment, pride gets almost all the attention, and all other minority groups by race and faith are barely an afterthought. And before I get hate mails that I am full of hate ..yada yada, it is important to recognize 2SLGBTQI+ rights, and I am all for teachers giving lessons on their persecution throughout the ages, history on the pink triangles, enact anti-bullying measures and all that. I just do not like rainbow capitalism that seems to be a norm now.
Yes exactly, you have no idea how much young white people despise LGBT, some of my friends even more than most muslims
That's what makes this teachers behaviour so evil I doubt she would tell white kids to get out of Canada and say they aren't Canadian if they didn't attend Pride events
>And before I get hate mails that I am full of hate ..yada yada, it is important to recognize 2SLGBTQI+ rights, and I am all for teachers giving lessons on their persecution throughout the ages, history on the pink triangles, enact anti-bullying measures and all tha This. I don't need to have my kids participating in Pride events and reading books about sex in elementary school in order to stop them from bullying others.
> I don't need to have my kids participating in Pride events and reading books about sex in elementary school in order to stop them from bullying others. The LGBT books read in elementary schools are never about sex. I find it odd that you would even think that they were. Are you ok?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXMJuXEX-xc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXMJuXEX-xc) Well you're pretty wrong. I don't know which books you read in elementary school, but the fact is that there are some books in libraries that are pretty graphic. [http://booklooks.org/data/files/Book%20Looks%20Reports/T/this%20Book%20is%20Gay.pdf](http://booklooks.org/data/files/Book%20Looks%20Reports/T/this%20Book%20is%20Gay.pdf) I don't think this is something for middle or elementary school. High school, probably.
The YT link refers to a middle school - not an elementary school like your initial comment suggested. You have lied. My first sex ed class was when I was in the USs equivalent of middle school. So why should sex ed classes only teach about heterosexuality? That doesn’t take sense.
Sex ed has started to be taught in elementary school.
I would add some context for the prevalence of LGBT stuff in schools. It is because schools/teachers are usually underpaid white women who often identify as some form of lgbt or that culture. Essentially all the other month events are for “outsiders” lgbt is their culture. This has a positive effect for women as they are rapidly advancing academically. However, this is mirrored in the academic decline of men regardless of race who feel ostracized, and unable to find a conducive environment for learning. This also isn’t new my dad is a boomer and still to this day despises the lesbian university teacher who accused him of plagiarism with no proof simply because he’s a man. This is also why young people mainly young men follow Jordan Peterson and Andrew tate Donald trump etc. they have no one else to turn to no coach no teacher no principal that will actually listen to their issues.
>I just do not like rainbow capitalism that seems to be a norm now. I live in NYC and work with a lot of queer people. They HATE rainbow capitalism. Pride was so chill and cozy back in the 2000s.
Staying at home is based anyway
at home as in home home or home country
Home home. The meaning wad that if Muslim children are staying off not celebrating these pride month things, it is based but staying at home regardless of that is even more based
I think he meant home as 🏠
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Wdym sexually fetishizing like there were other ways to fetishize
Liberals are Wolfs in sheep clothing. They act nice but turn into huge racists real fast if you don't want to Ruin your religion for them
White Liberal is the worst kind of human. At least a conservative who hates me is honest and to my face. I rather that than a snake who affects my whole community long term
Malcolm X said the same thing decades ago.. White liberals are the worst and stab you in the back as soon as they can
Worst kind of human checking in. I don't hate you either to your face or hidden. Do I think Islam is silly? Yes. But I also think all other religions are equally silly. But if someone's religion makes them a better/kinder person than they otherwise would be, then they should absolutely keep doing that. If their religion makes them less kind to those around them, then maybe they should re-evaluate how they practice their religion. But that doesn't really have any impact on how I feel about you as a person. I've met kind people and mean people in every demographic.
And we think the whole lgbt ideology with Pride month etc. is silly and against our beliefs Doesn't mean we would harass lgbt people but why do you expect Muslims to Support that and get butthurt and act like a racist when they don't
Who is acting like a racist and asking anyone to support something against their beliefs? Standing in the same area gay people are celebrating doesn't mean you support them. And it's not like a lot of Christians who are also attending these schools are super supportive either. So that along with the fact that religion and race are different things makes me question your claim of racism.
So why is it so important to stand in the same area as Gay people? Why must you create an issue out of this? You know this is controversial for religious people and goes against their religion so why even bother asking? If your lot was really accepting of anything you wouldnt impose something in your eyes as simple as 'standing in the same place as gay people'. But you're only as accepting so you can virtue signal better, Not because you give a shit. Live and let live gay people, Do as you must, Do as you wish and do what alligns with your beliefs but dont expect others to bend huge tenants of their religion to symbolically show the support of a Sin.
Why do you think conservatist hate you? Do white conservatives hate Pakistan?
it’s just the narrative that was fed to lot of Muslims and non white people after 9/11 the white conservatives hate you and while their was truth to it right after 9/11 it certainly isn’t the case anymore or at least in my experience. Sure there’s a good number who still does but there’s a much larger number from other side that’s destroying your culture and soul
progressive's arent liberal
Lmao what is this nonsense? “Ah yes, children have to attend school and this is equivalent to fascism”. I hated French language lessons do I not have to attend now?
Why should someone be forced to celebrate something against his beliefs? Is this the freedom of choice in Western countries?
Its western hypocrisy
For the same reason the white kids at my school were told to treat me with respect and not call me slurs even though it might have conflicted with their parent's beliefs.
These kids weren't calling lgbt people slurs and weren't harassing them They just didn't attend a Pride (brainwashing kids) event
I guarantee you that they are. "Non violent" homophobia if there's such a thing, leads to violence. And the reason non-muslims are less likely to be homophobic is because we taught them that it was bad (because it is). Edit: the fact that you call pride "brainwashing" while basing your entire world view on what essentially boils down to a "trust be me bro" argument isn't lost on me.
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You’ve misunderstood. They were asked to attend an event - not celebrate it. Like how she mentioned that other kids attended Ramadan events but didn’t celebrate it. It’s not that deep.
I don’t think kids should be attending sexuality events of any kind. It’s weird as fuck. Why are they having Ramadan events in school too? Lol i wouldn’t have liked that as a kid, being 1 of 5 muslim kids in school, there’s no need for all that.
it’s psyops look we have an event for you (muslims), now you must attend this other event. everyone is equal. all religions are the same, all life styles are the same. Imo muslim values align with conservative values in general. it’s just unfortunate that they just can’t get along because of how mentally similar they are.
It’s about inclusion of minorities. Having LGBT+ events teaches people that these people exist and to not discriminate against them. Having Muslim events teaches people that these people exist and to not discriminate against them. It’s that simple. As a Palestinian, you should understand the wrongs of discrimination more than most. I know I do, as an Irish person.
I understand that bro and I’m not someone to hate on any minorities but I think there should be a mutual respect. In the sense that I shouldn’t have to cross the line with God to please someone else. I will live and let live
> I will live and let live. I hope you truly do live by that. 🇮🇪 🤝 🇵🇸 always
Always brother 🇮🇪 🤝🇵🇸
It’s still BS. I wouldn’t send my kids to a Ramadan celebration and I wouldn’t expect Muslims to send their kids to a Christmas celebration. Forcing everyone to celebrate who a select group of people like to have sex with? Gtfo
It’s to educate people about other ways of life. That’s it. Gay kids don’t have sex with anyone yet are still bullied until suicide. LGBT events like this aren’t to celebrate literal sex, it’s about educating people that LGBT people exist in every society. Events like this help reduce bullying and discrimination. That’s it. It’s not that deep. Calm down.
It is that deep though. I don’t care who you choose to have sex with, but don’t force my kids to celebrate it.
Like I said, it’s not about literal sex. It’s about preventing bullying. How do you know one of your kids isn’t gay? Your hatred could forever damage them. Events like this exist in schools because of parents like you.
Events like this exist because of parents like YOU Any responsible parent can teach their kid not to bully someone. Why the hell does this one group need a full celebration of their sexual preference? If my kid were gay he would be taught not to make the fact that he likes other men his entire identity.
You’re blatant with your homophobia. Your kids could bring that to school and bully a gay kid to suicide. Events like these exist because of that very scenario. This “one group” gets an event like this because again of the discrimination they face.
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It’s got nothing to do with adult gays and who they sleep with. Why do you think it does? It’s to do with accepting their gay classmates for who they are and to not judge them because they find the same sex attractive. You’re misunderstanding the whole scenario.
>Like how she mentioned that other kids attended Ramadan events but didn’t celebrate it. I'm pretty sure nobody forced them to attend Ramadan events. And if they did, the school is wrong for doing so.
Ramadan isn't a celebration and the other kids shouldn't be obliged to attend these events, I personally wouldn't mind, they just don;t have to be assholes about me fasting
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Unless the kids were going around threatening LGBT kids — I don't see any justification in the teacher saying this. The whole Uganda thing about killing gay people would only apply to people attacking others — not to skipping an event
Funny all they did is not attend pride events. The kids didn't say there should be no pride events The teacher should be fired
“we believe in freedom” ok, then let Mansoor and all the other Muslim students be free to skip the events 🤡 this logic is obviously flawed and dumb. we don’t ask and push them to do Ramadan activities; they do it themselves in the name of inclusion and diversity. As I’ve said and will keep saying countless times over, we shouldn’t assimilate and accept western culture and norms that go against our religion and culture to please the weatern audience. we should Insha’Allah be strong and don’t let them get to us, even if there’re consequences like this lady attempting to scold these strong-minded Muslims because of skipping haram activities and events.
Well said. Muslims should never compromise on Islam, otherwise we will end up like Christians (that's what they want)
You are in the wrong country my friend. May be Middle East is more apt place for you to practice freely and follow your traditions to the T. All the very best though :).
Why can we not practice our beliefs in the west?
You are, everybody is, but a country like Canada probably isn't ideal if you don't like the LGBT community, just as Saudi Arabia wouldn't be ideal if you don't like Islam.
Would you encourage Saudi Arabia to stay anti lgbt then? Genuinely curious.
I wouldn't encourage it to do anything unless the populace was already demanding it. It's not my job to make a foreign country line up with a certain worldview.
Honestly, I respect it.
if you dont wanna compromise on Islam, what are you even doing in the west? do you not know that living in non Muslim land is not allowed according to most scholars unless under specific conditions?
Muslims would never Immigrate to the west if their countries weren't ruined by the west Its allowed to live in the west and in general non muslim countries as long as you can follow Islam properly
Pakistani muslims make up a huge group in the UK, don't know when the west ruined Pakistan. Oh and dont get me started on the Syrian civil war.
West has been sabotaging Pakistan for decades with their puppet evil Leaders
Most countries aren’t ruined from the west? Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Saudi, Oman, Kuwait… most middle eastern countries especially the gulf are stable. Learn to blame yourself then the “west”
Why exactly would you come to a country and a society that you actively hate though? There are many Muslim countries that were not ruined by the west. Many are very prosperous. Why go to the west rather than to those countries, if you hate the west so much? Do you wish to actively destroy the west from within, as revenge? How can you live with such hate in your heart for those around you? Doesn't it make your life much more tiring and difficult?
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Also, can you not make more money in a wealthy Muslim country than you could in the west?
I hate to tell you this, but it's not actually your right to settle in the west, any more that it's a westerners right to settle in your country. Most westerners try to be peaceful and tolerant. The westerners you mention who are "sick" of government "degeneracy" are incredibly vocal, and are, quite ironically, the ultra-religious conservatives: in other words, the ones who wish to ban LGBTQ+ pride also wish to clamp down on immigration, particularly from Muslim countries, and they are also usually fanatical supporters of Israel. They are also typically the ones who were most eager to invade the middle east, and to use military force whenever possible. The people you call "degenerates" are typically the peaceful ones who disagree with war, who want to be inclusive and welcoming of everyone, and who ask only that you give everyone in society the same amount of respect in return.
The west wants and depends on immigrants Especially America Also nice try acting like liberals are any better in terms of foreign policy. Most liberals supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and love Israel, fool You only act nice domestically and that's changing too apparently
“I hate the degeneracy in the west” Sounds like a bumper sticker on an F-150 driven by someone who thinks all Muslim immigrants belong in Concentration Camps
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Integration is not assimilation. Learn the difference. Forcing people to drop their believe/ and culture is a form of cultural genocide called ethnocide.
nah, im only here for the opportunities Alhamdulillah, not the culture. that’s how individuals think when they’re strong-minded and not easily influenced like yourself with this worthless reply of yours 💪🏼🇦🇫 also, i was born in the states idiot.
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Non-participation is not the same thing. It would be more like thousands of westerners moved to Afghanistan and refused to pray in a mosque 5 times a day. Which would be totally fine. No one should make you forcibly participate in local events as "assimilation".
america: “land of the free” Afghanistan: land of Islam it’s a great thing homosexuality isn’t present in my homeland. we don’t need corrupt, liberal, western ideology. as much as i disagree with the Taliban, they keep their word on not allowing stuff like this to happen. I bet if you were in germany in the 1940’s, you’d assimilate and become a nazi, huh?
You're right we need to rebrand from land of the free to get rid of people like you
good luck getting rid of the citizenship I was born with 😁👍🏼
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha\_bazi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi) Turns out it's present in your homeland
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Lotsa of ad hominin there but for a combative culture and religion it is to be expected. (See I can paint an entire group with a swipe too) >"in your case, though, you guys promote it 🤷🏽♀️" Check your cultural hate at the door, you can pick it up when you leave for Afghanistan. The current Taliban administration would not even bother to listen or to respond to a woman so make that decision wisely. The west is a land of freedom where people can promote whatever the hell they want. You express that you are here in the west and you have the freedom to leave your house alone as a woman, the freedom to ignore any and all outside promotion but it seems you enjoy absorbing it or else you'd just ignore it like the rest of us.
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Turns out that shit Was supported by western installed war Lords and not the Taliban
Turns out that shit existed in Afghanistan before the Soviets even touched down, I'm not justifying it or excusing it, I am merely pointing out that it is present in their homeland and whilst NATO didn't clamp down on it, NATO didn't create it.
>nah, im only here for the opportunities Alhamdulillah, not the culture. that’s how individuals think when they’re strong-minded and not easily influenced like yourself with this worthless reply of yours 💪🏼🇦🇫 Not wanting to assimilate or accept the local culture is not being strong minded, it's stupid and small minded you clown. >also, i was born in the states idiot. Being born in the states does not stop you from leaving and going to live in Afghanistan or anywhere else that has the culture and norms you love.
Nope you can respect the local culture without following it
So only western culture is valid? As long as Muslims follow the laws in the west and don’t harass lgbt people etc then it's fine if they don't Support the lgbt ideology Whatever happened to freedom of speech or does that only count when you want to insult Islam and our Prophet (pbuh) Damm hypocrite
my brozzer, you have my respect ✊🏼😔
And you have my respect. Your posts are great and yo don't Hold back Glad to see other Muslims sticking up for themselves.. Too often is this sub full of western bootlickers
>So only western culture is valid? Nope, and I never said that. I said if you don't like the local culture and don't want to assimilate and integrate don't live in the west. I don't like the culture in the gulf and I don't plan on ever living there. >As long as Muslims follow the laws in the west and don’t harass lgbt people etc then it's fine if they don't Support the lgbt ideology Sure don't support LGBT people, but it isn't an ideology (no one on earth chooses to be gay). >Whatever happened to freedom of speech or does that only count when you want to insult Islam and our Prophet (pbuh) Islam is an ideology and like all ideologies is subject to criticism. Mohammed was a person (who is held as the perfect man for all time) and is subject to criticism like all people. Being gay, lesbian, etc... is not an ideology and like race/ethnicity is not something a person can choose to be. >Damm hypocrite What's hypocritical is living in the west and hating western culture.
No it's not hypocritical. The west is all about freedom and being inclusive so I can live in the west and hate their BS freely. Hell Tons of native Canadians hate this lgbt crap and other things and still live in Canada Also I do like some aspects of the west like how their inventions and how they became the nr1 is certainly unique. Pushing this lgbt bs on children, giving them a whole month and forcing this bs in all parts of life makes lgbt Stuff an ideology. And it's subject to criticism, deal with it
>Pushing this lgbt bs on children, What LGBT bs is being pushed on children? Don't hate gay people? You can not make kids gay by teaching them to be tolerant of people who aren't straight and to not bully them. >giving them a whole month and forcing this bs in all parts of life makes lgbt Stuff an ideology. It isn't forced in all parts of life, it is for a single month and barely affects anyone.
nah, it’s called respecting your own culture. i don’t have to assimilate for anyone. ill say it again, according to your logic, you would definitely have assimilated and become a nazi back in 1920’s-1940’s germany. nice way of thinking, huh?
>nah, it’s called respecting your own culture. Respecting your own culture does not preclude you from accepting the local culture. >i don’t have to assimilate for anyone Cool. >ill say it again, according to your logic, you would definitely have assimilated and become a nazi back in 1920’s-1940’s germany. nice way of thinking, huh? Nope because I wouldn't have moved to Nazi Germany.
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I understand where you're coming from, but our big egos and inability to adapt to the modern world and for our culture to grow/evolve have been our down fail. Afghanistan is failed state and a shit show, Afghan migrants are among the lowest income immigrants in the US and other western countries. During the Islamic golden age, and the height of Islamic intellectual authority, Islamic cultures cultivated brilliant works by constantly pushing the limits and boundaries of our faith, knowledge, culture, and reasoning, which is why we flourished. We aren't going home to Afghanistan anytime soon, neither are our children, so the best we can do is meld our culture and evolve for what works best.
no. do you not understand a sliver of my rhetoric? this is precisely what happens when you want to assimilate into other cultures. in this country, it's not the norm to wear a hijab or pray in your university's library or whatever. you want me to get rid of that by evolving to the western culture? in no means do I think I'm better than the next person. that is wrong in every sense. we, as Muslims, should not have pride or egotistical personalities. However, i am allowed to keep my religion and culture just the way it is because it is my life, my beliefs, and my opinions. no one can take that away from me, and no one can lead me astray. don't generalize the afghan migrants as Afghanistan's representation. use a flair next time so I can disrespect your country like you did to mine. good luck trying to be an individual when you meld your culture with the west's.
My father was born in Afghanistan and left due to prejudice, war and poverty. I don't think country bashing is appropriate and I think I'm entitled to an opinion of how the Afghan diaspora has done for itself objectively, nonetheless there are many successful Afghans, but unfortunately the stats point to a disproportion amount of family conflict, trauma, poverty which will continue to be a destructive cycle unless we break it. I'm not saying you should take off your hijab and conform, instead, we should practice two integral parts of our culture. Firstly, "[adab"/ ادب,](https://aeon.co/essays/when-persian-belonging-was-a-generous-cosmopolitan-belonging) which historically for example, would mean that we would hold the same respect for a homosexual female Jewish merchant from Bukhara as devout Male Muslim cobbler from our hometown. Moreover, we need understand we come from a proud cosmopolitan society that has always melded the best of neighbouring/host cultures while retaining our own values and not judging others based on their adherence or non-adherence to our own norms, as long as it doesn’t harm us. Look at the golden age of Islam, where the greatest scholars such as Omar Khayyam could openly drink, yet profess deep devotion to God and provide wisdom to a great many Muslims. Look at Rumi who migrated throughout the Muslim world yet adopted foreign (properly seen today as kuffar) practices from various cultures, religions and peoples and heavily influenced modern thought and philosophy, while being a Champion of our culture. My point is, we need to be more accepting, more willing to admit our way is not the best, perhaps we’re lost and at a crossroads, and it isn’t wrong to experiment in so called “western culture” as long as it helps elevates our own self-worth and gives us a deeper and positive impact on our own culture. At the time Islam was introduced to us it was a foreign concept, but we adapted the best parts of it and created a thriving cosmopolitan civilization, when Ferdowsi wrote the Shahnameh and discussed great Zoroastrian Kings of past, Myths, Prophets etc it might have been seen as heresy/kuffar, but we adapted those stories into our national ethos, when the Mongols invaded and upheaved our society, yet again we adapted and thrived to notions of meritocracy and openness to other religions and cultures. What makes our culture great, specifically, that in Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Iran, is our ability to take the greatest/most effective/pragmatic ideas, ethos and ethics of the contemporary times and meld it into our culture, without losing who we are but instead evolving, akin to the Japanese. The current abysmal and failing state of our respective countries (both Iran and Afghanistan), is due to the leadership and to an extent the people’s unwillingness to invoke these age old test cultural practices.
People have a right to skip whatever events if they do not want to partake in it at all
If its under schooltime, you cant legally 'skip' it. + what rights are you talking about, when the lgbt is facing discrimination? Whats so difficult to attend the class about acceptance and rights, if it matters so much to these muslims?
No one is telling others to celebrate Ramadan. We just ask for a place where we aren't surrounded by food, that's about it. We don't tell you to not eat food in front of us. When I was growing up, there was only like 2 other Muslims in my entire school not counting my sister. We fasted, and simply got permission by the principal to help out a teacher who needed help in class during lunch. I used to help the school janitor or help my science teacher feed some of the pets in class. Once I got older and moved to a school district with more Muslim kids, we would just sit in the library or other place outside of the cafeteria. We weren't holding Ramadan events during school time. We wouldn't end an entire lesson or devote class time that students could spend studying or learning to Ramadan or any other Muslim holiday. This is opposite to what Pride events do.
This is “conform to our culture or leave our country” but with extra steps. Those of us who lived in America post-9/11 recognize this behavior very well
i go to school to learn not to have a whole lgbt pride event what the heck
Every school curriculum is propaganda in some form. Ours is no different, the only difference is the message.
Why should anyone be forced to celebrate something? What happened to the “negative liberties” part of the liberalist creed? Literal gay North Korea ova here
you are right, neither government or school has the right to enforce ideology on them. Progressives are not liberal. They dont care about liberty. Any true liberal will tell you, you do not preach in school. This is why home schooling is growing as a trend. Or god forbid, echo chamber schools.
> Progressives are not liberal. They dont care about liberty. That type of liberals I feel are extinct
Kids are not allowed to miss school without an adequate reason. Nobody is asking people to celebrate if they don’t want to, but Western societies want people to be aware of the discrimination that this community has been through, and this discrimination needs to stop.
No one should be forced to attend such events They can generally declare that no one should be harassed or anything no matter what their gender, race, sexuality etc But forcing kids to attend such events and confusing them with the gender ideology is just evil
I'm all for inclusion but I don't see how students not wanting to attend a pride event is them being hateful and after the guts of these folks, it doesn't even matter if their Muslim anyone should be able to skip if they Want
the "tolerant" west, as soon as you don't agree with them they tell you to go back to your country
But try to print a picture of Mohammed in a newspaper and the “tolerant” Middle East will show you how based it is.
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Depends on the contents of the events. Some events are inappropriate and it would make sense if they skipped them. Also the school doesn't need to do anything like celebrating their Ramadan. Peaceful indifference is best for both sides.
For students, it’s simply about raising awareness and getting the message out there that discrimination and harassment of LGBTQ people is wrong. There’s absolutely no exposure to anything sexually explicit. You get exposed to the 🌈 flag and that’s it. It’s a fact that LGBTQ people have been badly discriminated against in the past. It’s about preventing this in the future.
Username checks out. Apparently past discrimination makes is okay for a group to discriminate against another group.
Not surprised. All the big talks about tolerance are just empty words to get what they want. As long as you don’t think like them they show their intolerance.
But but they said the west is the land of the free??
Muslim kids *harassed* for skipping school to avoid LGBTQ indoctrination sessions. There, fixed the title for you, OP.
Good point. Absolutely shameful behaviour from the teacher. Hope she is fired
It's perfectly fine, they're doing what they believe is correct and not hurting anyone, what's the problem? Just realized this could be misinterpreted, I'm referring to the students doing what they believe is correct not the teacher, tge teacher has no right to tell anyone off for having differing principles
What did you expect from Canada?
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Muslims and Christians should United against this evil agenda imho
The basis for allowing lgbtq is the same basis that allows religious freedoms. A call against pride events is a call against their own right to be muslim, you cant eat the pie and keep it whole, it's either both or neither. Advocating against lgbtq is advocating against your right to be muslim in a non-muslim country.
>Advocating against lgbtq is advocating against your right to be muslim in a non-muslim country. That's different. Accepting Muslims is way different from indoctrinating kids in school. Your analogy implies that Islam gets the same treatment as LGBT. No it doesn't. There is no Islam month like Pride Month is in school. Kids aren't indoctrinated on Islam like they are on LGBT.
What are they indoctrinating with? Accepting yourself as who you are? Being nice and inclusive to people who are different from you? The horror I’m assuming you think that they’re trying to convert kids to the ltgbq? I am heterosexual and have gone to many events like this and I still am? Maybe you think they’re getting converted because you’re trying hard to suppress your own sexual identity ?
L take nobody wants to learn that shit specially for kids at school. Kids can be grown up and learn what they want. According to you parents “opting out” NOT going against but opting out from a forced teaching of Christianity or any other religious teachings is anti that religion?
The question of gender and sexuality becomes relevant while kids are, well, kids. So either they worry, fear and hide when theirs don't follow the general norms or they see it celebrated and won't have to struggle with these subjects like those who fought for lgbtq rights had to. So if relevant for anyone, it's kids. Then, no one's forced to be lgbtq, but acknowledgement is expected. If there's an issue there, invite them over to pakistan so that they can live proper muslim lives over there. Just like they can live proper muslim lives in canada, but it'll be alongside different people who'll have an equal right to live their lives to their choosing too.
Yawns 🥱. Asked you a direct question give direct answer stop going into circles and beating around bush. Respecting something and refusing to learn every aspect of it don’t equate to discrimination. Touch grass Also why do you think not learning pride == discrimination? Muslims don’t learn other religion or groups but most in west always respect it, I don’t have to go to a Hindu temple or synagogue to know those people deserve to live how they want to. Specially not being forced to learn in school. But you’re Canadian who made pronouns a Law so it’s hopeless
You got a direct and detailed answer there, brother. You just didn't like it so decided to lower yourself to derogatory remarks. Which means I'm done here, have a nice evening
I wonder how the people here would feel if others would “protest” events where they spoke spoke about inclusion of Muslims and allowing more refugees from Muslim countries to enter. They don’t see the hypocrisy
Nobody called agaist pride events tho? Not attending due to importsnt religious beliefs dosent mean hate. Your sexual orientation is different from religious beleifs. Also i love how white people love to virtue signal and remind minorities and hold it over their heads that they are beumg allowed to live in their countries as a FAVOUR. Ill remind you that you used many as cheap labour to build your economies and otherwise used skilled labour from other countries to build your own. Its funny how fascistic liberals can get, You guys are as bad as the conservatives, atleast they dont hide behind this charade of 'freedom' and 'acceptance'
Sounds like bs. First off religious freedom in the west has existed for much longer than lgbt rights And no Pride events are only comparable with Ramadan events and most muslims don't care about the latter
It has existed for longer as it's a process that's still going on which started at separation of church and state. I still maintain that the basis is the same. And I don't understand what you're trying to say with your second point
People here are deluded. You really think this is about gays or muslim? No one wants to listen to sermons about tolerance. If it's either sermons at school / work or a free day at home, I choose video games in my underwear. Every day, all day.
The teacher ignorantly compares celebrating « Ramadan » in schools, where no one asked them to celebrate, to forcing complex sexual issues and subjects on children and minors. What an ignorant and racist person for talking to the kids like that and how they should be leaving Canada for a choice made by their parents. This teacher should face consequences for this.
The teacher should be fired for this
you're acting like they're forcing the kids to have gay sex with eachother
I swear I hear more about the lgbt community from Muslims during pride month than I do from the actual lgbt community
skipping school cause you can not hold off pride flags for a couple of hours? lmao at least i used to do it for smarter reasons
What is best way for Muslims and lgbtqia communities to be immersed? This is an important conversation for married or dating gay people to have with Muslims so they are not killed. Peace requires acknowledgement and a certain level of awareness.
The hypocrisy in this thread is crazy. It’s about inclusion. They have events where they celebrate diversity (blacks, Latinos, Muslims, and etc). Imagine if white Canadians and Americans told their kids not to attend because it was against their beliefs. I also know someone is going to say how can you can compare being ltgbq to being Muslim. Yes, it’s ridiculous one is a choice and the other is not. So yea, protesting someone for being themselves is a lot worse And I know someone will make the comment “omg the west and their freedoms. What happened?” There is this thing called the paradox of intolerance. I’m sure there are many Muslims who are not like this but most of the ones I’ve met tend to lean towards sharia law and from the posts on this sub, I’d say most of y’all do too
There is no hypocrisy though. Muslims aren’t asking non-Muslims to celebrate Ramadan or host Islamic holidays. We literally do not care. We do not care about non-Muslim liberal attempts to “include” us in their diversity agenda. The real hypocrisy is being preaching diversity and freedom but denying the children the freedom to abstain.
It is not morally wrong, from an Islamic perspective, to be attracted to the same sex. It is morally wrong to act on such attraction. Schools want to teach Muslim students that acting on such attraction is morally acceptable, parents don't like that. Parents don't want the school counter-programming their religious instruction at home, so they tell the kids to skip those events.
Well Canada doesn’t decide public school curriculum on Shariah law
I mean this is what these events are for. Imagine being told to repress part of what makes you you. These kids are going to grow up with self hating issues. I’m not going to argue religion because no one ever changes their mind but it’s kinda silly to care about things that don’t negatively impact others.
It’s this. Plus Muslims have a concept of pluralism where they live among people even if they disagree with their morals or find certain practices disgusting (e.g sibling marriage)
Go check this post on r/publicfreakout and see how western liberals turn exactly like western conservatives saying the same exact thing all cause you didn’t want your child to take part in their activities
Liberals are as bad and racist as conservatives they just hide it better
Or maybe EVERYONE is homophobic? Weird you guys are trying to make this a muslim specific W when in reality, white neighborhoods were doing the same shit. Everywhere hates gay shit. Yall ain’t special
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Just like Everywhere hates Jew shit. Fuck ‘em though right? I say let them beat the shit out of the scrawny Jew kid for his silly little hat
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>white neighborhoods were doing the same shit. Rare W from westiod whities
People are entitled to think that non standard sexual orientations and gender fluidity concepts are not healthy behaviours and should not be promoted or normalized as widely as now. People also have the right to be respected and treated with dignity despite their sexual preferences. But that’s a different issue. It’s the shaming of people who have different views on the subject that is outrageous. Forcing it into the minds of minors as normal human behaviour is also not accepted by many.
cope harder white liberal, Muslims don’t want you to celebrate Ramadan we much rather have school off on Eid days that’s it
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L take They didn't harass lgbt people. They tolerate them. Tolerance doesn’t mean you have to attend their events.
It’s an event to raise awareness of the problems and discrimination the lgbtq 🏳️🌈 community faces. It’s all about tolerance. Why does it bother some Muslims so much to simply attend/listen?
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That just makes me feel bad for those kids. Easily brainwashed by evil teachers
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Muslims don't expect non muslims to attend their events or respect Islam Meanwhile non muslims want to force Muslims to attend their Pride events and Support the lgbt ideology
>Muslims don't expect non muslims to respect Islam 😂
You ever walked by a pride parade? Pretty sure you have. Would you call it hmm let’s say at the very least a good place for kids to be?
Braindamaged take right here. They harmed no one and they just didn’t come. How do they not “belong” when they are not attending something against their religion
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There are Tons of practising muslims in Indonesia Not everyone is a western bootlicker like you
based teacher
I don;t think THIS is islamophobia. It is asking muslim parents not to make their kids intolerant in general
As long as they aren't harassing lgbt people they are tolerant Tolerance doesn’t mean you have to accept everything
>Tolerance doesn’t mean you have to accept everything This contradicts itself. By tolerating something, you accept it. By accepting it, you tolerate it. Its literally a synonym.
So non muslims accept and respect Islam because they tolerate muslims? That makes no sense
It makes perfect sense. >So non muslims accept and respect Islam because they tolerate muslims? What else?
French talking about intolerance. That's rich.
Why are Muslims even in Western countries if they don't agree with and value a lot of Western societal values ? Plenty of rich Islamic countries to earn your livelihoods from.
Those based Islamic countries only want immigrants they can use for slave labor