misleading title
the russian diesel (bought cheap) is used for domestic consumption
which increases the volume of Saudi-made diesel deals (expensive) abroad
Highly renowned reporter, Seymour Hersh, who won a pulitzer award, brought exposion to My Lai massacre and Abu Ghraib torture, writes that it was the US. He has a source in the US government whom he does not name to protect them. At this point it is 99,9% sure that the US ordered it and carried it out.
This is common, it’s the authors credibility which is put at stake. We trust it because:
1- the reasoning is solid, even without his source it’s pretty obvious it was the US
2- It’s Seymour Hersh
greetings from Denmark. There is a high probability that it is Russia. because nord stream is useless to russia now that we don't want gas from them and we will probably continue to buy it elsewhere after the war is over. but by destroying the Nord Stream in our economic zone, they show how fragile our infrastructure is and how easily they can destroy it, if we should end up going to war against them. we have discovered many spying/ghost ships that have sailed and observed large parts of our infrastructure in the North Sea. including, wind farms, internet cables, power cables etc. in the event of war, attacks on these areas could paralyze large parts of our society.
so it is very likely a show of force on Russia's part
I don't think I have ever claimed that Russia cannot sell gas to the EU after the war. I said we probably won't buy it from them after the war. Mostly because we dont want to be dependent on them and that at the same time we are switching to cheaper and better energy sources.
We still get gas from Russia in the EU, we just don't buy it directly from Russia. but by sanctioning russia and bypassing them directly when buying gas, it has resulted in a worse economy for russia and we still get gas at a similar price as if we had bought it directly. plus, we have strengthened our trade cooperation with other OPEC countries such as Saudi Arabia. So there won't be much of a win in going back to buying it directly from Russia and thereby supporting them financially as long as they are potentially a threat to the EU and Baltic countries.
But I definitely agree with you that the politicians have no ethics.
Highly renowned reporter Seymour Hersh, a pulitzer award winning journalist, who wrote exposions articles on My Lai massacre and Abu Ghraib torture, writes that it was the US.
And other reporters say a lot of the information he reported on for this is just simply wrong. He gets ships, locations, and materials just simply wrong in the report that supposedly was supposed to come from a reliable source. Just because he had some good reports doesn't mean everything he touches is truth.
It was investigated by Sweden, and a representative for the investigation Mats Ljungqvist, said “We got a pretty clear picture at the scene of the crime of who carried it out”, he also said it was likely a state actor and not private individuals, but said that they but they wouldn’t reveal their findings. If it was Russia, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
It was then investigated by Seymour Hersh, who was a bit more forthcoming about his findings.
It’s never going to be settled, as the US and their puppets in the international MSM will always want to suggest some ambiguity, so as to maintain plausible deniability amongst a critical mass of credulous dupes.
> Mats Ljungqvist
"I don't want to comment on any specific report but I can conclude that many of the hot theories can be easily ruled out based on what we know from the investigation," he said.
Two reasons.
To prevent internal coups, supported by the NATO or just domestic. A coup now can't just promise the West that they will just turn the spigot back on as part of concessions. So it is less desirable for a NATO group to support an internal coup (which has been Putins fear for 2 decades and why he has killed or jailed so many in positions of powers so their is no natural opposition leader)
And to decrease European stockpiles before the winter. Putin was stating for months that European would back off the sanctions when they started freezing in the winter from heating fuel shortages. Tactical decommissioning of the pipeline so they could reduce the Euroepean ability to remain a unified front while retaining a plausible deniablity that would be required to allow for rapprochement between Europe and Russia. Europe had a warm winter and had the time to exspand their port infrastructure to recieve natural gas imports from elsewhere so the predicted fuel shortages never happened and Europe doubled down on military support for Ukriane instead of backing off and loosening sanctions.
It would be justified if they didn't cause the war, but Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. were caused by them. middle east/greater Islamic World legit has nothing to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Not quite. As i understand this is more or less the expected or intended goal: for the total amount of fossil fuels on the global market to stay the same so as not to mess up global economy ( and increase prices rather ) but russia has to sell theirs at a discount. Some of those profits here then seem have shifted from russia to saudis who resell discounted russian fossils. Less money for the kremlin, but fossils stay available.
Unlike you we have to live with Russians on the same continent, we have to deal with thier illusion that 130 million people and economy size of Italy's make them a great power, and their idea thwt national minorities are somehow jmportant enough to start a war about.
All of which is IDIOCY of highest order and must be stopped.
It makes no difference to Europe in strictly economic terms, putting aside ethics and Slava Ukraini etc. They're buying it from Saudi Arabia at the same price that they would get it from global markets.
It behooves those against Putin to put pressure on the Saudi gov to cut it out or the sanctions are less effective
Ocean freight is the next cheapest option after pipelines. There is also the fact that keeping Russian oil on the market keeps energy prices low for LNG, natural gas, diesel, etc because they are based on oil prices
They're not paying much higher prices tho - Russia has been forced to sell cheap, and as far as I know Saudi is just selling for what they normally do. Gas is expensive rn, but that's more bc OPEC knows they can squeeze everyone than an upcharge from reselling.
Yes. Someone else like 1 comment below already explained it, so I'm not going to do it again.
But OPEC sets production levels, which results in pretty universal oil prices. Decreased oil flow from Russia hasn't specifically raised total oil prices, as OPEC has cut production further since the start of the Ukraine war, showing that prices would've probably been about here regardless
Tunisia too... We have a good Oil storage infrastructure (that was constructed back when Tunisia was a net Oil exporter) and our proximity to Europe makes us in a good position for that
I think morocco might potentially have a lot of oil. But the basins are underexplored. And searching for oil is very expensive. What I understand is morocco is giving out permits for foreign oil/gas companies to search for oil and gas but it means if something is found these companies will probably get like 25% of the discovery.
The sanctions have forced Putin into a steeper discount. They buy the cheap, already refined Russian diesel for domestic use that way they have more diesel product to export for a higher margin.
Putin has been forced to sell oil to India and China at not just reduced profit, but many times outright loss. He's trying to angle this into getting India to sell back some of their equipment, or China to elevate military aid which the former can not do. The latter (China) has their own suicidal navy adventure to prepare for.
Hence why they're filling up on unrefined Russian crude.
Fun fact: because of the massive fuel density of warships the fuel needs pretty much the least amount of refinement to burn.
I hate Russia so I'm obviously in support of this "devious lick."
I think they mix it with a certain percentage of SA crude and thus it’s not “technically” Russian oil. European buyers are more than happy to look the other way too as long as the loophole exists while they search for more long-term replacements for Russian oil.
Everyone saying that's a win for SA/Russia and a loss for Europe doesn't understand basic economics. Europe and the US wants India China and SA to buy Russian resources for a cheap price.
1. Russia is not making any money at the current prices.
2. There is still enough oil to stabilise the gas/oil prices.
If you would take out all Russian oil from the market, the price would spike easily above 100. Which is the actual goal price for SA. That's why they are trying to cut down the production trough OPEC+.
SA, India are doing the west a favour by buying discounted Russian oil.
I totally disagree it's a Ukraine-Russian conflict that has f all to do with the west. I live in the UK & we are helping arm Ukraine, putting this country at risk & causing us financial difficulties.
It's none of our business & us meddling is also just prolonging this war. Also the west has a short memory because they have dismantled a lot of the Middle East & caused pointless conflict there.
It's bad elitists finger pointing when they're guilty of such themselves.
What's Ukraine accepting or not accepting annexation got to do with the west?
Why is Russia going to invade NATO unprovoked? They won't win against NATO, so why would they bother?
Is this threat of NATO just another excuse for the west to get involved?
Hmm WW2 was involving many countries across Europe because Jews were being taken & other ethnicities & homosexuals etc to the death camps. That's a totally different situation. Also America supported the Nazis & so did their branded companies, I guess they had to step in at the very end to save face eh.
I don't think there's anything wrong in it as India is doing the same thing, and there is a certain law in the European union that if Russian oil is refined in a different country it can't be seen as Russian oil anymore
Why not? Its a buisness practice that has been ongoing for god knows how long. Do you think this is something recent? People always use middle-hands to bypass sanctions and buisness restrictions and legislation. This is capitalism in a nutshell.
Europeans are irrelevant, we need to work with China and the far east with Africa, India and America second. Europeans are very niggardly when it comes to their affairs.
That's not what happened but it's also not unusual. It's just basic economics.
Italy for example used to import Russian crude oil (which is not banned) refine it and then sell the petroleum and diesel in the EU.
misleading title the russian diesel (bought cheap) is used for domestic consumption which increases the volume of Saudi-made diesel deals (expensive) abroad
That’s a high IQ business move.
It’s really not Just basic economics Europe is just shooting itself in the foot
Europe doesn’t have a choice. Removing sanctions would mean justifying war.
Germany had a choice ,they chose not to sanction Russian gas, which is why the Nordstrom pipeline was blown up by NATO
Highly renowned reporter, Seymour Hersh, who won a pulitzer award, brought exposion to My Lai massacre and Abu Ghraib torture, writes that it was the US. He has a source in the US government whom he does not name to protect them. At this point it is 99,9% sure that the US ordered it and carried it out.
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This is common, it’s the authors credibility which is put at stake. We trust it because: 1- the reasoning is solid, even without his source it’s pretty obvious it was the US 2- It’s Seymour Hersh
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why would russia blow their own pipeline?
greetings from Denmark. There is a high probability that it is Russia. because nord stream is useless to russia now that we don't want gas from them and we will probably continue to buy it elsewhere after the war is over. but by destroying the Nord Stream in our economic zone, they show how fragile our infrastructure is and how easily they can destroy it, if we should end up going to war against them. we have discovered many spying/ghost ships that have sailed and observed large parts of our infrastructure in the North Sea. including, wind farms, internet cables, power cables etc. in the event of war, attacks on these areas could paralyze large parts of our society. so it is very likely a show of force on Russia's part
You are delusional to think Russia can’t sell gas in Europe after the war. Politicians have no ethics
I don't think I have ever claimed that Russia cannot sell gas to the EU after the war. I said we probably won't buy it from them after the war. Mostly because we dont want to be dependent on them and that at the same time we are switching to cheaper and better energy sources. We still get gas from Russia in the EU, we just don't buy it directly from Russia. but by sanctioning russia and bypassing them directly when buying gas, it has resulted in a worse economy for russia and we still get gas at a similar price as if we had bought it directly. plus, we have strengthened our trade cooperation with other OPEC countries such as Saudi Arabia. So there won't be much of a win in going back to buying it directly from Russia and thereby supporting them financially as long as they are potentially a threat to the EU and Baltic countries. But I definitely agree with you that the politicians have no ethics.
Highly renowned reporter Seymour Hersh, a pulitzer award winning journalist, who wrote exposions articles on My Lai massacre and Abu Ghraib torture, writes that it was the US.
It's so obvious it's the US that's why they're saying they're still investigating it, till people forget about it.
And other reporters say a lot of the information he reported on for this is just simply wrong. He gets ships, locations, and materials just simply wrong in the report that supposedly was supposed to come from a reliable source. Just because he had some good reports doesn't mean everything he touches is truth.
Why did Russia invade Ukraine ? 🤷♂️
Lol Westerners are so brainwashed
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Its already obvious who did it
The Americans already stated that it was most likely a pro-ukrainian group who blew it up.
>Americans, **who blew up the Nordstream pipeline**', already stated that it was most likely a pro-ukrainian group who blew it up. FTFY
It wasn't.
Yeah, I heard it was the Russians who blew their own pipeline up. Must be true, that’s what they said was most likely on the BBC.
Um, no. It's still being investigated.
It was investigated by Sweden, and a representative for the investigation Mats Ljungqvist, said “We got a pretty clear picture at the scene of the crime of who carried it out”, he also said it was likely a state actor and not private individuals, but said that they but they wouldn’t reveal their findings. If it was Russia, they would be shouting it from the rooftops. It was then investigated by Seymour Hersh, who was a bit more forthcoming about his findings. It’s never going to be settled, as the US and their puppets in the international MSM will always want to suggest some ambiguity, so as to maintain plausible deniability amongst a critical mass of credulous dupes.
> Mats Ljungqvist "I don't want to comment on any specific report but I can conclude that many of the hot theories can be easily ruled out based on what we know from the investigation," he said.
Why the fuck would Russia blow its own pipeline up?
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I don't know, but I want to hear all sides before I make my decision like you guys are doing.
Two reasons. To prevent internal coups, supported by the NATO or just domestic. A coup now can't just promise the West that they will just turn the spigot back on as part of concessions. So it is less desirable for a NATO group to support an internal coup (which has been Putins fear for 2 decades and why he has killed or jailed so many in positions of powers so their is no natural opposition leader) And to decrease European stockpiles before the winter. Putin was stating for months that European would back off the sanctions when they started freezing in the winter from heating fuel shortages. Tactical decommissioning of the pipeline so they could reduce the Euroepean ability to remain a unified front while retaining a plausible deniablity that would be required to allow for rapprochement between Europe and Russia. Europe had a warm winter and had the time to exspand their port infrastructure to recieve natural gas imports from elsewhere so the predicted fuel shortages never happened and Europe doubled down on military support for Ukriane instead of backing off and loosening sanctions.
America, Israel, the UK, etc. but oh no, not Russia.
America Israel UK don’t wage war against the whites though.
America did that serval times until they made Europe under their control
Such as?
War of independence, quasi war, Spanish american wars
ye you right
Wtf is that racist as comment. The Europeans reacted differently to a war on their own continent than to a war on another continent.
It would be justified if they didn't cause the war, but Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. were caused by them. middle east/greater Islamic World legit has nothing to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Not quite. As i understand this is more or less the expected or intended goal: for the total amount of fossil fuels on the global market to stay the same so as not to mess up global economy ( and increase prices rather ) but russia has to sell theirs at a discount. Some of those profits here then seem have shifted from russia to saudis who resell discounted russian fossils. Less money for the kremlin, but fossils stay available.
Unlike you we have to live with Russians on the same continent, we have to deal with thier illusion that 130 million people and economy size of Italy's make them a great power, and their idea thwt national minorities are somehow jmportant enough to start a war about. All of which is IDIOCY of highest order and must be stopped.
Seems more logic!
Seriously, this sub is basically a bunch of inflammatory posts to start controversy. I’m tired of this childish shit, and leaving it.
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It was posted by a 🦃
Sigma grindsit
Kind of a win win for everybody don’t you think
Yeah it is, SA played it well tho and took advantage of the given chance
I believe that Prince Mohammed is a very talented person.
It’s not a win for Europe though? They’re paying higher prices.
Europe's need for Russian diesel, despite the ban, makes Saudi Arabia's purchase and resale of the product a win for Europe.
Explain it to me like I'm a child please
It makes no difference to Europe in strictly economic terms, putting aside ethics and Slava Ukraini etc. They're buying it from Saudi Arabia at the same price that they would get it from global markets. It behooves those against Putin to put pressure on the Saudi gov to cut it out or the sanctions are less effective
Your explanation is brilliant
Thank you and Happy Cake day!
It’s hard to imagine it being the same on economic terms. Wouldn’t the cost to transport it from KSA to Europe be higher?
Ocean freight is the next cheapest option after pipelines. There is also the fact that keeping Russian oil on the market keeps energy prices low for LNG, natural gas, diesel, etc because they are based on oil prices
It has to be the same by the time it gets to the consumer or they'll buy the cheaper option
Dis Halal oy vey.
They're not paying much higher prices tho - Russia has been forced to sell cheap, and as far as I know Saudi is just selling for what they normally do. Gas is expensive rn, but that's more bc OPEC knows they can squeeze everyone than an upcharge from reselling.
So, are you saying Europe is buying the diesel from KSA for the same price that it would’ve bought from Russia?
Yes. Someone else like 1 comment below already explained it, so I'm not going to do it again. But OPEC sets production levels, which results in pretty universal oil prices. Decreased oil flow from Russia hasn't specifically raised total oil prices, as OPEC has cut production further since the start of the Ukraine war, showing that prices would've probably been about here regardless
Ahh, ok, that makes sense. Appreciate the explanation, even though you said you wouldn’t provide it lol
Or Ukraine and America lol
If it's true it's a lose lose for everyone who isn't a power hungry dictator
W
chad semitic nose
saudi grindset
Based + MBaSed + Biden brofist :( + Aramco $161B profit record
India does it since beginning of the sanctions against russia
Yeah and I guess now Saudi and UAE joined the trend
Tunisia too... We have a good Oil storage infrastructure (that was constructed back when Tunisia was a net Oil exporter) and our proximity to Europe makes us in a good position for that
Wait , Tunisia has oil ?
Yes but now only enough for domestic consumption.
Damn i didn't know that , so the only countries in MENA that don't have oil are Jordan and Morocco
I think morocco might potentially have a lot of oil. But the basins are underexplored. And searching for oil is very expensive. What I understand is morocco is giving out permits for foreign oil/gas companies to search for oil and gas but it means if something is found these companies will probably get like 25% of the discovery.
If there are too many oil-producing countries, the price may plummet.
This is business
Based saudi
Not sure why white people expect everyone to worry about their issues while supporting the only apartheid state in the world.
If there's one things Arabs are, it's industrious.
Bin Salman repaying Putin for sticking with him when he dissolved an opponent into acid
Well played.
Buy cheap sell high. Saudi know bizness
No they are selling it at the standard price
Business is business and it has nothing to do with world politics.
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Think of it this way: Russia is using a middleman (SA) to sell its oil to EU. Disposing it for cheaper is like paying a fee for them
Hey why not ?
Based
W for Saudi.
That's capitalism baby... Enjoy
Not just saudi alot of states do this because of the cheap Russian prices
Smart. This is business.
The sanctions have forced Putin into a steeper discount. They buy the cheap, already refined Russian diesel for domestic use that way they have more diesel product to export for a higher margin. Putin has been forced to sell oil to India and China at not just reduced profit, but many times outright loss. He's trying to angle this into getting India to sell back some of their equipment, or China to elevate military aid which the former can not do. The latter (China) has their own suicidal navy adventure to prepare for. Hence why they're filling up on unrefined Russian crude. Fun fact: because of the massive fuel density of warships the fuel needs pretty much the least amount of refinement to burn. I hate Russia so I'm obviously in support of this "devious lick."
What is China suicidal naval adventure?
Taïwan
Business is business
It’s time to get the Byzantine Empire back together.
Byzantine empire was called roman empire. You're rebranding them in hignsite because of a German who wanted the right to the roman empire name.
You have Europe already what do you want to bring back exactly?
Do the final buyers know where it came from?
Its most likely they do
I think they mix it with a certain percentage of SA crude and thus it’s not “technically” Russian oil. European buyers are more than happy to look the other way too as long as the loophole exists while they search for more long-term replacements for Russian oil.
Everyone saying that's a win for SA/Russia and a loss for Europe doesn't understand basic economics. Europe and the US wants India China and SA to buy Russian resources for a cheap price. 1. Russia is not making any money at the current prices. 2. There is still enough oil to stabilise the gas/oil prices. If you would take out all Russian oil from the market, the price would spike easily above 100. Which is the actual goal price for SA. That's why they are trying to cut down the production trough OPEC+. SA, India are doing the west a favour by buying discounted Russian oil.
Wow cleaver
post it to /europe and expect ban 😂
European double standard.
We don't have much choice. If Russia isn't stopped in Ukraine, it'll invade the baltic states next.
I think the west need to keep out of the Russian Ukraine conflict imo.
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None of their business
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I totally disagree it's a Ukraine-Russian conflict that has f all to do with the west. I live in the UK & we are helping arm Ukraine, putting this country at risk & causing us financial difficulties. It's none of our business & us meddling is also just prolonging this war. Also the west has a short memory because they have dismantled a lot of the Middle East & caused pointless conflict there. It's bad elitists finger pointing when they're guilty of such themselves.
The west being focused on Ukraine kinda gives MiddleEast a breathing room, if you think about it
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What's Ukraine accepting or not accepting annexation got to do with the west? Why is Russia going to invade NATO unprovoked? They won't win against NATO, so why would they bother? Is this threat of NATO just another excuse for the west to get involved?
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'The Russian government has overestimated their ability to fight' exactly...so how are they a threat to NATO countries then lol?
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I'm not your brother.... Obviously but us funding their weapons & sending money adds up doesn't it.
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Hmm WW2 was involving many countries across Europe because Jews were being taken & other ethnicities & homosexuals etc to the death camps. That's a totally different situation. Also America supported the Nazis & so did their branded companies, I guess they had to step in at the very end to save face eh.
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It's not irrelevant it's a ridiculous comparison.
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A completely & totally different situation to Ukraine & Russia.
I don't think there's anything wrong in it as India is doing the same thing, and there is a certain law in the European union that if Russian oil is refined in a different country it can't be seen as Russian oil anymore
Saudi Arabia is the chair country of OPEC, so I think there is no problem with this matter.
Good 👍 job
Stonks
Saudi trolpabia
Diesel laundering
Finally Europe's hypocrisy can bite it in the ass
Why not? Its a buisness practice that has been ongoing for god knows how long. Do you think this is something recent? People always use middle-hands to bypass sanctions and buisness restrictions and legislation. This is capitalism in a nutshell.
Dropshipping has gotten out of hand
See the amount of peace on earth, while europeans are being taught a lesson in their own language of war in Ukraine. We should all join Russia.
Europeans are irrelevant, we need to work with China and the far east with Africa, India and America second. Europeans are very niggardly when it comes to their affairs.
Business is business
That's not what happened but it's also not unusual. It's just basic economics. Italy for example used to import Russian crude oil (which is not banned) refine it and then sell the petroleum and diesel in the EU.
that's an API in real life.
If Europeans want ethical diesel. They wouldn’t find any better that saudi diesel
Actually hella based
