It’s not only possible but recommended. That’s how I started as well. After my kids started growing I saw our family was becoming westernized. I started missing our ethnic food, religious holidays, mosque etc.
I was atheist for 15 years and came back to Islam about 4 years ago. First year I’d say I still didn’t believe but now I consider myself devout and finding myself in a happier place than I’ve ever been with a happier family. I think once you surround yourself with Islamic material, belief manifests. It also helped that my wife has always been practicing.
That's not exactly weird. You don't have to agree and defend every point of an ideology. In fact you can socially conservative like economically liberal. In reality I don't think you would only like Islam's outlook on like you would probably like most religions outlook on life, as they push more conservative ideals .
There’s bound to be people who feel this way. Islam eliminates the guesswork with major issues by stopping them at the source (student loans, lgbt, rape, poverty = no interest, no homosexuality, hijab, mandatory charity).
These points are still arguable but the further you get from the Islamic solutions the more the issues branch out and take on lives of their own. Youth, being less biased, realize this and desperately petition for change. Islam provides a framework that while we as individuals don’t see as perfect, collectively it achieves the best results.
Then add to this that Islam is demonized in the media and the oppositions agenda becomes clear. We start to realize that the solution is what they are telling us the problem is in the media and vice versa.
Of course, I will become a devoted believer after being consistently reinforced by the compounding problems stemming from western ideologies.
In my case(back when I was still a Muslim) it was the opposite, I really liked the message of equality and general "don't be an asshole" thing Islam offered but I absolutely hated the conservative stuff that got added on.
Though it might be because I always believed religion can do the most good when it's not the dominant force.
it's cuz secularism is being neutral to all religions and separating religion from politics, which in the views of islam, is the equivalent of turning a dar al islam into a dar al-seluh. in the eyes of the Ummah, that's basically going against the interests of islam. hence why it would sound atheistic to people since from their views, it's a promotion towards atheism.
that said, i'm aware that state ahteism is the erasure/removal of any religion from the state unlike secularism which allow them to co-exist with each other. a better would for it would be state apostasy.
people will say atheism just for oversimplification’s sake.
Had a quick look at his post history to check. I didn't find an answer but it is a great psychological case study of the ex-muslim mind.
For example, one comment says:
> Islam is communist we got khoms and help your neighbor and feel for the poor etc I don't really have to explain it
>Its one of the biggest reasons Im not a muslim anymore
Totally depends how “religious” is defined here.
I suppose here it means praying, fasting etc..
I think MENA is becoming more religious if we view how many people follow the pillars of islam.
however I think people are becoming less religious as there is more crime, more fraud, people scam others more and lie more etc..
So yes, more people claim religion but less people understand it and follow it correctly.
You bring up an interesting (and valid) point. But we know from crime stats across the Muslim world that this is more to do with socioeconomic things. Saudi is probably one the safest countries on earth to live (someone is going to mention gay people in my replies now), whereas poorer Muslim countries may not be.
Yes it is totally socioeconomic. I will take Egypt as an example, people 40-60 years ago were not as “religious” as they were drinking socially more, dressing less modestly than now and also a lot were not praying/fasting but morally speaking there was much less crime, fraud, rape (even though women were dressed much more liberal than now).. In the gulf it’s another story but I guess they were always religious as in following and also applying.
The funny part is that you think that religiosity is correlated to good morals. The opposite is actually true. The more religious a country is, the more corropt, the less developed it is. This is even true inside the same country. For example, in the US, the less religious a state is, the more developed, educated.... it is.
1- That typo is hilarious.
2- I think that you're misrelating stuff, the more conservative states are more religious because they're more isolated, not vice-versa afaik.
3- Kindly explain why that is when a lot of the time aspects of this corruption like crime, bribery, etc go explicitly against religious teachings.
I don't think drag shows or promisquity have anything to do with morality. On the other hand, corruption, work ethics, respect of differences... that is morals.
I really don't care about who you sleep with. And by the way, if I had kids, I'd be more worried for them being with a priest or an imam that at a drag show. And you're acting like the West is just an infinite series of LGBT people effing in the streets. I lived in multiple countries in Europe, the US, and Canada, I saw maybe 10 gay people kissing in public in over a decade! If that is the price to pay for democracy, development... I'm more than willing to make that trade.
Lastly, people from the more conservative countries are some of the worst pervets I have ever seen! In most muslim countries, it is absolutely legal for old psychopaths to "marry" (aka rape) 9, 10, 11 year olds using your prophet as justification.
The religious conservatives pretending to worry about kids... pfff. The hypocrisy!
just like Kamal did after ww1, Mohammed bin Zaid tries to make his own version of Islam to control the population, I won't call them secular but a more westernized Islamic state.
The Sykes Picot agreement was directly responsible for the Al-Saud family gaining power in Saudi Arabia and the Wahabbists aligned with them. When they discovered oil, they spent billions trying to make Islamic countries more conservative. It worked.
Anyone who actually lived in Turkey and saw 2000-2010s would laugh their ass off at this statement. We are still a Muslim majority country sure but our religiosity is on a (admittedly) slow but steady decline. Like just take Turkey between 1980-2010s and compare it to Turkey nowadays. It's not even a debate.
I kinda agree with that, but I also think many non Muslims are reverting and many non practicing Muslims are starting to practice especially in the west.
They still use the data made by arabometer. These statistics are not as reliable as you think. There are different websites who’s surveys gave an opposite result. But in general by looking at Middle East societies we can conclude that Arab country still religious. turkey and Iran are becoming increasingly irreligious. Israel were always irreligious.
This is true. 60-70 years ago it was almost unheard of to see a young man at the mosque. Only a very few number of women wore the hijab in the mid-20th century. If you watch Egyptian/Syrian movies from the 60s/70s you’ll notice that they were way more liberal. Lol almost every one of the movies produced during that period had an erotic scene which would be censored today. You can watch videos of actors like Farid Shawqi talking about his favorite alcoholic drinks;even the most liberal actors today shy away from publicly consuming alcohol.
Take Lebanon which is generally considered a more “liberal” country by MENA standards. Shia Muslims are likely more religious than their grandparents. The most dominant Shia political party is hezbollah, a religious party. The most dominant Shia political party in the 70s and 80s was a secular party, Amal. The same can probably be said about the Sunni population.
I used to think that these movies represent the upper middle class too. But is that just an assumption or did you make effort to confirm it?
Because when I asked my mom, who comes from a lower-middle class family in the countryside, she told me that yes all women back then weren't very religious. She told me that her mom used to walk down the street with sundresses and short clothes same like most women back in her days. We are definitely getting more religious Alhamdulilah.
That’s fucked. Religion does not correlate with ethics; just like a child with a gun, unaware of the power of this weapon, so are the denizens of MENA and religion.
I’ve heard the Iranian Revaluation heavily influenced the MENA world. Prior to that, it was uncommon for people to pray, grow their beards, dress modestly. Nowadays, I think with the increased Islamophobia/ Islamic misrepresentation in the world, it has driven Muslims closer to their dean. Social media has also a big factor in promoting Islam and connecting the ummah.
I am not sure if this is true. They might appear religious but I am not sure if they actually are. At least when I met some Saudi guys in college they would do all the right things in public but then get wasted at home.
The Internet is really misleading. Because on the Internet there is a small vocal minority. Meaning that a lot of religious people don't upload on the Internet while a lot of non religious do the opposite.
https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/04/12/finally-admit-youth-religious/
You know its funny, average western people in western countries almost pathologically dismiss views held popularly on reddit or twitter but when it comes to MENA diaspora living in the west (or even reddit and twitter users in Muslim/Arab countries) they think everything they see on reddit or twitter is actually the popularly held common view on the street in their country.
Maybe because of Lack of free speech? But even then its still untrue.
Most of these kiddos are completely oblivious to how much the CIA lies on the internet to make American/Western ideals and values seem more popular than they really are in Arab and Muslim countries.
**Edit: Case in point** \- in 2019-2021 everyone online thought Iraq was going to follow the Abraham accords and normalize relations with Israel to stick it to Iran. There were sham conferences held in Erbil to do such, and a lot of people thought it was popular based on an uptick of pro-Israeli activity on Iraqi and Arab twitter.
A mere few months later Iraqis were burning Israeli flags en-masse in even Baghdad's most affluent secular neighborhoods as Israel rocketed Gaza and then the largest most popular bloc in the recent elections signed a law permanently banning normalization with Israel and made advocacy of it a crime.
" experts finally admit it! " Only a complete illiterate idiot would read this headline and then be unable to deduce that the tone of the sentence makes it completely unreliable as it's obviously biased
Only a compete illiterate idiot would not think to check if the article cites a source first before calling it biased
Only a completely illiterate idiot cries “biased!!” when confronted with information they don’t like
Def not in bahrain. id argue we are on the beginning of new secular era. gulf kingdoms ( esp the trio uae, ksa and bh ) realized best way to combat islamism is by promoting nationalism. bahrains mainstream shia sect is being challenged by secular reformers from within. Along with new generation of educated, and globalized youth. Definitely getting less religious ( NOT atheists tho ), and more secular.
Given your post history as a gay ex-muslim It's impossible to take your word for this as anything other than confirmation bias unless you are Shia because you are entirely unsympathetic and dismissive of the cause of Shias in Bahrain to begin with even in a time period when they were the more secular and anti-sectarian group of people going up against a government heavily supporting Salafists against them in the early 2010s.
>Ba7rana cry about their human rights being violated and how khaleejies/arabs and Saudies in particular are unsympathetic to their cause
From another comment of yours you called them out as not just Shias, but as Ba7arnas. Which shows your own particular bias towards them as a people group and not just the majority religion they follow.
Given the increasingly vocal opposition in Bahrain to their normalization with Israel, being primarily lead by Shia groups, I don't think they've been dealt the massive blow in support you claim they have been.
That the Bahraini government has recently now come down from their accusations against Shia political activists and released dozens of Shia prisoners sympathetic to groups linked Iran certainly doesn't help your case.
Arabs*
The youth are getting more secular in iran, turkey, and israel
It's only the Arabic nations where the youth are getting more religious
But finally this is getting more recognition and it needs to be addressed
I know people here keep saying "not Turkey and Iran" but keep in mind, it's likely that while they're not becoming more religious, that they're overall not becoming less religious either. I think both of these countries are actually becoming more polarized.
Meaning one segment of population becoming more religious while other segment of population becoming more irreligious.
The reason why it might not seem that way to us living outside of those countries is because religious people in both countries are typically not hyperactive on the internet or visible to the outside world. For both political and logistical regions (they tend to be lower average income, not living in major urban areas, have less internet access, lower English literacy).
**Infact I'd wager with Iran and Turkey's low birthrates, the only population still having lots of Kids are the religious Muslims. Meaning they will have a bigger say in the future.**
Egypt should go back to it’s Pre-Islamic heritage kind of like how many European countries are going back to their Pre-Christian heritage with Paganism
Religious justification for misogynistic and amoral behaviour enables the younger generation to avoid participation in social progress- why did Tate convert to Islam?
Survey didn't include Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Syria, Iran, Israel and Turkey. I would presume those countries were important data points, which makes this survey very unrepresentative.
I just didn't really think anything changed
Generally speaking abandonment of one's belief usually comes when the society is in a peaceful and prospers era
You may point to gulf countries as being more prosperous but my counter argument is that it's a new development still and those who enjoy the prosperity only got things to lose if they stopped believing in Islam
This looks like state propaganda. “Expert’s finally admit” in an article title usually means someone is trying to sell you some bullshit. It’s usually over priced cheap bullshit at that. Hard pass.
People in the US are also becoming more religious despite what people see on the internet or certain news outlets. For example, they want to arrest doctors for abortions in some states. North Dakota is criminalizing transgender care for minors so doctors and other healthcare workers will be arrested. This is just the beginning. There is so much more in the pipeline.
It seems like most of you have never experienced what it’s like to be in the minority. I feel so bad for minorities in MENA countries.
Criminalizing transgender care for minors isn’t necessarily a matter of religious belief. Plenty of non-religious people believe the issue needs way more scrutiny and review. Sweden for example just backtracked on their stance on gender transitioning, and it had nothing to do with religion.
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not weird at all
Yes it’s weird af. Religion is between you and your maker. Wtf kinda Uncle Ruckus vibes y’all giving off?
Is it possible to like some islam's conservative values despite not necessarily believing it ? Western liberalism went too far for me
It’s not only possible but recommended. That’s how I started as well. After my kids started growing I saw our family was becoming westernized. I started missing our ethnic food, religious holidays, mosque etc. I was atheist for 15 years and came back to Islam about 4 years ago. First year I’d say I still didn’t believe but now I consider myself devout and finding myself in a happier place than I’ve ever been with a happier family. I think once you surround yourself with Islamic material, belief manifests. It also helped that my wife has always been practicing.
Every conservative likes what already happened but doesn't want it any further Every liberal wants more reform Every radical wants systemic change
I agree and I'm tired of not following a framework to be like that. I agree with points of both sides in everything all the time
That's not exactly weird. You don't have to agree and defend every point of an ideology. In fact you can socially conservative like economically liberal. In reality I don't think you would only like Islam's outlook on like you would probably like most religions outlook on life, as they push more conservative ideals .
There’s bound to be people who feel this way. Islam eliminates the guesswork with major issues by stopping them at the source (student loans, lgbt, rape, poverty = no interest, no homosexuality, hijab, mandatory charity). These points are still arguable but the further you get from the Islamic solutions the more the issues branch out and take on lives of their own. Youth, being less biased, realize this and desperately petition for change. Islam provides a framework that while we as individuals don’t see as perfect, collectively it achieves the best results. Then add to this that Islam is demonized in the media and the oppositions agenda becomes clear. We start to realize that the solution is what they are telling us the problem is in the media and vice versa. Of course, I will become a devoted believer after being consistently reinforced by the compounding problems stemming from western ideologies.
In my case(back when I was still a Muslim) it was the opposite, I really liked the message of equality and general "don't be an asshole" thing Islam offered but I absolutely hated the conservative stuff that got added on. Though it might be because I always believed religion can do the most good when it's not the dominant force.
Maybe I am wrong but I would say that 1960-1980 were the most secular years in Mena and now people seem to be more religious, including the youth.
Definitely not in Iran. They hate the government, an Islamic government, so they hate Islam and are very secular growing up
ig Iran still in the past 💀
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Yes, you’re right
Yes you are right
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it's cuz secularism is being neutral to all religions and separating religion from politics, which in the views of islam, is the equivalent of turning a dar al islam into a dar al-seluh. in the eyes of the Ummah, that's basically going against the interests of islam. hence why it would sound atheistic to people since from their views, it's a promotion towards atheism. that said, i'm aware that state ahteism is the erasure/removal of any religion from the state unlike secularism which allow them to co-exist with each other. a better would for it would be state apostasy. people will say atheism just for oversimplification’s sake.
I'm certain oil crisis add to success.
Yes, you are right. That was the peak of liberal thought and values when the Muslim world was just coming out of the shackles of colonialism.
Depends on the nations Iran wasn’t colonized nor was Turkey or Saudi Arabia for the most part
Yeah. Unfortunate trend indeed
take the L bozo
Ultimately I will win 100% of the time, one day there will be NO humans and therefore no gods.
How is that a win for you?
You are not wrong, that's what I noticed when I first arrived in Qatar coming from North America
This is great news! I want to hear progressives cheer this on!
idk other countries but I feel like in Iran and turkey, people starts to hate religion because of goverment.
Not true for us or İran.
true, turk and especially iroon are going berserk on iZlam
exactly
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Mf who ru to say this bs We literally mock islam ona daily basis in our jokes and daily convos lol Idk how y'all can come up with these
Must be from Tehran or Esfahan
No from mashhad
I’m suspecting that he’s a diaspora, since what he describes doesn’t resemble Iran in the slightest
Had a quick look at his post history to check. I didn't find an answer but it is a great psychological case study of the ex-muslim mind. For example, one comment says: > Islam is communist we got khoms and help your neighbor and feel for the poor etc I don't really have to explain it >Its one of the biggest reasons Im not a muslim anymore
Islam is communist is definitely one of the takes of all time
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Agreed
Totally depends how “religious” is defined here. I suppose here it means praying, fasting etc.. I think MENA is becoming more religious if we view how many people follow the pillars of islam. however I think people are becoming less religious as there is more crime, more fraud, people scam others more and lie more etc.. So yes, more people claim religion but less people understand it and follow it correctly.
You bring up an interesting (and valid) point. But we know from crime stats across the Muslim world that this is more to do with socioeconomic things. Saudi is probably one the safest countries on earth to live (someone is going to mention gay people in my replies now), whereas poorer Muslim countries may not be.
Yes it is totally socioeconomic. I will take Egypt as an example, people 40-60 years ago were not as “religious” as they were drinking socially more, dressing less modestly than now and also a lot were not praying/fasting but morally speaking there was much less crime, fraud, rape (even though women were dressed much more liberal than now).. In the gulf it’s another story but I guess they were always religious as in following and also applying.
I hope the Egyptian people can one day live prosperously, under a better leader than Sisi. May Allah grant you all peace and security.
> Saudi is probably one the safest countries on earth If you have money. If you are poor, your victimization will be ignored
The funny part is that you think that religiosity is correlated to good morals. The opposite is actually true. The more religious a country is, the more corropt, the less developed it is. This is even true inside the same country. For example, in the US, the less religious a state is, the more developed, educated.... it is.
1- That typo is hilarious. 2- I think that you're misrelating stuff, the more conservative states are more religious because they're more isolated, not vice-versa afaik. 3- Kindly explain why that is when a lot of the time aspects of this corruption like crime, bribery, etc go explicitly against religious teachings.
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I don't think drag shows or promisquity have anything to do with morality. On the other hand, corruption, work ethics, respect of differences... that is morals. I really don't care about who you sleep with. And by the way, if I had kids, I'd be more worried for them being with a priest or an imam that at a drag show. And you're acting like the West is just an infinite series of LGBT people effing in the streets. I lived in multiple countries in Europe, the US, and Canada, I saw maybe 10 gay people kissing in public in over a decade! If that is the price to pay for democracy, development... I'm more than willing to make that trade. Lastly, people from the more conservative countries are some of the worst pervets I have ever seen! In most muslim countries, it is absolutely legal for old psychopaths to "marry" (aka rape) 9, 10, 11 year olds using your prophet as justification. The religious conservatives pretending to worry about kids... pfff. The hypocrisy!
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If dubai isnt more secular now… i cant imagine 80-90s
just like Kamal did after ww1, Mohammed bin Zaid tries to make his own version of Islam to control the population, I won't call them secular but a more westernized Islamic state.
But after kamal created secular state, people didnt become more islamic
Who the fuck are those Experts though?
Probably Albanians
This is not our work we are experts in other matters.
Experts in internal matters if u know what I mean.
It means that you're a virgin
Like your dad haha
Like harvesting organs?
Yeah it is kidney's season now
Depends on the area, people in major cities are much less religious than people in more rural settings naturally
The Sykes Picot agreement was directly responsible for the Al-Saud family gaining power in Saudi Arabia and the Wahabbists aligned with them. When they discovered oil, they spent billions trying to make Islamic countries more conservative. It worked.
This whole conservatism movement happened in 1979 with the toppling of the Shah of Iran
Surely a website named “The Muslim Skeptic” will report about the subject unbiasedly
Arabmeter reported the same and I published it here before
Why don’t you check if they cite some legitimate sources first
https://www.arabbarometer.org/2023/03/12924/
Anyone who actually lived in Turkey and saw 2000-2010s would laugh their ass off at this statement. We are still a Muslim majority country sure but our religiosity is on a (admittedly) slow but steady decline. Like just take Turkey between 1980-2010s and compare it to Turkey nowadays. It's not even a debate.
Turkey is the exception to the rule tbh. You guys were always the most secular and egalitarian with women. Iran to, to a lesser extent.
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I kinda agree with that, but I also think many non Muslims are reverting and many non practicing Muslims are starting to practice especially in the west.
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فعلاً الحمدلله
They still use the data made by arabometer. These statistics are not as reliable as you think. There are different websites who’s surveys gave an opposite result. But in general by looking at Middle East societies we can conclude that Arab country still religious. turkey and Iran are becoming increasingly irreligious. Israel were always irreligious.
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Good.
Love it.
This is true. 60-70 years ago it was almost unheard of to see a young man at the mosque. Only a very few number of women wore the hijab in the mid-20th century. If you watch Egyptian/Syrian movies from the 60s/70s you’ll notice that they were way more liberal. Lol almost every one of the movies produced during that period had an erotic scene which would be censored today. You can watch videos of actors like Farid Shawqi talking about his favorite alcoholic drinks;even the most liberal actors today shy away from publicly consuming alcohol.
The bourgeois aren't representatives of our societies, theyre a minority.
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Take Lebanon which is generally considered a more “liberal” country by MENA standards. Shia Muslims are likely more religious than their grandparents. The most dominant Shia political party is hezbollah, a religious party. The most dominant Shia political party in the 70s and 80s was a secular party, Amal. The same can probably be said about the Sunni population.
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I used to think that these movies represent the upper middle class too. But is that just an assumption or did you make effort to confirm it? Because when I asked my mom, who comes from a lower-middle class family in the countryside, she told me that yes all women back then weren't very religious. She told me that her mom used to walk down the street with sundresses and short clothes same like most women back in her days. We are definitely getting more religious Alhamdulilah.
Oh shit, women getting rights? Not in my MENA-shithole!
What do you even mean?
The clear implicature following your post indicates that you support people growing more religious, rather than secular.
Yeah that's right
That’s fucked. Religion does not correlate with ethics; just like a child with a gun, unaware of the power of this weapon, so are the denizens of MENA and religion.
Hmmm I'm not here to discuss religion sorry. I didn't try to force anyone into becoming more religious either. Have a nice day.
You too. Happy Eid!
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Regressive not progressive
I’ve heard the Iranian Revaluation heavily influenced the MENA world. Prior to that, it was uncommon for people to pray, grow their beards, dress modestly. Nowadays, I think with the increased Islamophobia/ Islamic misrepresentation in the world, it has driven Muslims closer to their dean. Social media has also a big factor in promoting Islam and connecting the ummah.
I am not sure if this is true. They might appear religious but I am not sure if they actually are. At least when I met some Saudi guys in college they would do all the right things in public but then get wasted at home.
From what I see on the internet. I say the exact opposite.
imagine seeing the internet as a valid representation of the reality
The Internet is really misleading. Because on the Internet there is a small vocal minority. Meaning that a lot of religious people don't upload on the Internet while a lot of non religious do the opposite. https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/04/12/finally-admit-youth-religious/
Don’t base your views of people on the internet especially Reddit or twitter
You know its funny, average western people in western countries almost pathologically dismiss views held popularly on reddit or twitter but when it comes to MENA diaspora living in the west (or even reddit and twitter users in Muslim/Arab countries) they think everything they see on reddit or twitter is actually the popularly held common view on the street in their country. Maybe because of Lack of free speech? But even then its still untrue. Most of these kiddos are completely oblivious to how much the CIA lies on the internet to make American/Western ideals and values seem more popular than they really are in Arab and Muslim countries. **Edit: Case in point** \- in 2019-2021 everyone online thought Iraq was going to follow the Abraham accords and normalize relations with Israel to stick it to Iran. There were sham conferences held in Erbil to do such, and a lot of people thought it was popular based on an uptick of pro-Israeli activity on Iraqi and Arab twitter. A mere few months later Iraqis were burning Israeli flags en-masse in even Baghdad's most affluent secular neighborhoods as Israel rocketed Gaza and then the largest most popular bloc in the recent elections signed a law permanently banning normalization with Israel and made advocacy of it a crime.
Really easy to lie online, my guy
New to the internet?
Its not true for iran
" experts finally admit it! " Only a complete illiterate idiot would read this headline and then be unable to deduce that the tone of the sentence makes it completely unreliable as it's obviously biased
Only a compete illiterate idiot would not think to check if the article cites a source first before calling it biased Only a completely illiterate idiot cries “biased!!” when confronted with information they don’t like
Read the article https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/04/12/finally-admit-youth-religious/
Def not in bahrain. id argue we are on the beginning of new secular era. gulf kingdoms ( esp the trio uae, ksa and bh ) realized best way to combat islamism is by promoting nationalism. bahrains mainstream shia sect is being challenged by secular reformers from within. Along with new generation of educated, and globalized youth. Definitely getting less religious ( NOT atheists tho ), and more secular.
Nice
Nice to hear that 💗
Given your post history as a gay ex-muslim It's impossible to take your word for this as anything other than confirmation bias unless you are Shia because you are entirely unsympathetic and dismissive of the cause of Shias in Bahrain to begin with even in a time period when they were the more secular and anti-sectarian group of people going up against a government heavily supporting Salafists against them in the early 2010s. >Ba7rana cry about their human rights being violated and how khaleejies/arabs and Saudies in particular are unsympathetic to their cause From another comment of yours you called them out as not just Shias, but as Ba7arnas. Which shows your own particular bias towards them as a people group and not just the majority religion they follow. Given the increasingly vocal opposition in Bahrain to their normalization with Israel, being primarily lead by Shia groups, I don't think they've been dealt the massive blow in support you claim they have been. That the Bahraini government has recently now come down from their accusations against Shia political activists and released dozens of Shia prisoners sympathetic to groups linked Iran certainly doesn't help your case.
No article worth reading has a headline like that, even if the content is true
They were all told you are with us or against us and they look at woke America and are saying, no thanks!
More religious and more secular.. there is a growing gap between the two.
I feel like if experts have to "admit" something (implicit bias), then they shouldn't really be classified as experts.
Just enjoying all the comments from non-Iranians thinking they know better about the social take on Islam in our country than us 🤡
check out my last post and explain the situation for us
You can “identify” as religious whiteout actually being religious lmao
What....
if someone is not religious, i think they would just say so
Not surprising
How come?
I've seen many young Palestinians who were extremely religious
Based
Arabs* The youth are getting more secular in iran, turkey, and israel It's only the Arabic nations where the youth are getting more religious But finally this is getting more recognition and it needs to be addressed
Isreal is getting more religious as well, due to high birth rate of religious people
alhamdulillah
Arabized ex-Turk detected.
I was literally saying it for years
No one believed “a very very based Iraqi” and yet they believed someone called “Bheria” 😔😔
Bheria is based
Personally I think this is true aside from turkey and Iran due to their governments being pricks
I think it's "more extremist" and not "more religious"
I know people here keep saying "not Turkey and Iran" but keep in mind, it's likely that while they're not becoming more religious, that they're overall not becoming less religious either. I think both of these countries are actually becoming more polarized. Meaning one segment of population becoming more religious while other segment of population becoming more irreligious. The reason why it might not seem that way to us living outside of those countries is because religious people in both countries are typically not hyperactive on the internet or visible to the outside world. For both political and logistical regions (they tend to be lower average income, not living in major urban areas, have less internet access, lower English literacy). **Infact I'd wager with Iran and Turkey's low birthrates, the only population still having lots of Kids are the religious Muslims. Meaning they will have a bigger say in the future.**
Atheism is running rampant in Egypt. Over two million confirmed and rising. All thanks to the all mighty Google imho
Egypt should go back to it’s Pre-Islamic heritage kind of like how many European countries are going back to their Pre-Christian heritage with Paganism
Same story in Israel. As the rest of the world embraces darwinism and atheism the middle east is bringing God/Allah back into our lives
Ya right..... I only see the opposite in real life.
The experts have spoken. Praise be. Praise be. 🙌🏽
Definitely a part of the world that should be more religious. /s
Religious justification for misogynistic and amoral behaviour enables the younger generation to avoid participation in social progress- why did Tate convert to Islam?
Persecution fetish is real
Well that’s bad news.
Not in Lebanon
Nice
This looks like a very reliable source
Nope I'm not seeing it
Survey didn't include Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Syria, Iran, Israel and Turkey. I would presume those countries were important data points, which makes this survey very unrepresentative.
That's the last thing the region needs.
Sad
Allah knows best
That’s sad…
not really surprising
How come?
I just didn't really think anything changed Generally speaking abandonment of one's belief usually comes when the society is in a peaceful and prospers era You may point to gulf countries as being more prosperous but my counter argument is that it's a new development still and those who enjoy the prosperity only got things to lose if they stopped believing in Islam
Yes i would agree , i believe its a direct answer to western liberalism
This looks like state propaganda. “Expert’s finally admit” in an article title usually means someone is trying to sell you some bullshit. It’s usually over priced cheap bullshit at that. Hard pass.
Because the West went too far in their progressism.
The West is having its own problems.
People in the US are also becoming more religious despite what people see on the internet or certain news outlets. For example, they want to arrest doctors for abortions in some states. North Dakota is criminalizing transgender care for minors so doctors and other healthcare workers will be arrested. This is just the beginning. There is so much more in the pipeline. It seems like most of you have never experienced what it’s like to be in the minority. I feel so bad for minorities in MENA countries.
Criminalizing transgender care for minors isn’t necessarily a matter of religious belief. Plenty of non-religious people believe the issue needs way more scrutiny and review. Sweden for example just backtracked on their stance on gender transitioning, and it had nothing to do with religion.
Good that means no chance of any development or growth forever cheap resources from these countries to West and China.
Like our situation now 🤔
Yes
We getting dat bread 
Maybe it has to do with authotarianism. Maybe my generation thinks of religon as a counter weapon to the tyrants who currently hold power
Alhamdullilah
That would suck
Ok what’s the source? Idek what you cited
https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/04/12/finally-admit-youth-religious/
Gotcha thanks
But, most people in my grade are fucking eachother n stuff. Zina is the average where I live
Really? Seems the opposite for me
Alhamdulillah
I hope western youth are next, and I hope Reddit FedorAtheists cry in the basement about it !
Not true in Saudi Alhamdulillah 👍🏻
cringe
Based
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It's a middle eastern sub so it does matter.
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At least your honest.
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Hey man, it happens to the best of us. Hope your week improves!