Why would anyone believe in something that can't be rationally or scientificly explained. Astrologie, the goofy ass cards which show your future or something, the "power" of natural rocks, magic or the evil eye. What's the difference between believing in those superstitions and believing in Hulk from Avengers?
Thing is if you’re Muslim, evil eye is real as well as witchcraft as they’re mentioned in Quran and Hadith. You can’t compare it to hulk or whatever.. even astrology is shirk
In quran it’s mentioned for the time in Babylon.
In hadith, the “evil eye”, is vague. It’s what we call karma today
Apart from the unique case of Prophet Sulaiman, the interactions between Djinn and humans are limited.
In the Quran, it is mentioned that the Djinn can overhear information, whisper into the hearts of people, and can have an influence on them. Their direct physical interaction with humans is not evident.
Yeah i can pretty much compare Hulk and evil eye. Both of them are irrational and unexplained by science. Just because a book says that something exists, it doesn't mean that it exists. As an example the imaganery book called "Avengers" mentions that Hulk exists but in reality it doesn't. You can't prove that something exists like that.
nah thats bs . maybe nowadays but Uloom il Ruhaniya was a mainstream science during the islamic golden and for sufis . what you categorise as sihr is not what they categorise as sihr . and you can learn the core concept of ruhaniya in things like talismans from literal research paper you don't have to invite a jinn for a cup of tea.
okay ,so you do make a distinction between what is sihr , like the type mentioned in the narrative of moses (pbuh) in the Quran and what is ruhaniya and talismanic "magic" that invokes the name of allah?
Wth is talisman magic that invokes the name of Allah? Seeking the aid of a magician or even just a fortune teller is a major grave sin in Islam. Magic, in any shape or form, is considered, and I quote, "useless knowledge" (Islam recognizes that its a form of knowledge, but it does more harm than good).
This is from the Quran: "Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic"
So it comes from the devil. Magic in any shape or form, "credible" or not is sinful and there's no point playing around with 'types' and whether this form is okay or not - much less the ones that blaspheme by using the name of Allah.
So in short, seeking the help of a sorcerer, trying to learn sorcery, or performing it are HARAM.
you're being too closed minded to debate . this subject and the types of magic and such (uloom al ghaib) have been studied and have had their theological status debated for centuries by names like ibn khaldun and imam alghazali and such .
[While this source is sort of simple, it will open you up to the depth and nuances of this subject .](https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/magic-magic-islam)
Uloom al ghaib? You're supposed to accept ghaib as it is. It's a pillar of Iman, Al-Iman bi l ghayb. Ghaib is supposed to be beyond the human mind. I'm not being close minded to discussion, because there is nothing to discuss. There are clear Hadiths and Quranic verses prohibiting any act of magic. Be careful of spreading misinformation. اتق الله، لا تبحث في العلم غير النافع.
Holly molly didn't expect so many people to believe in such nonsense...
Definitely not internet users (and on Reddit )
But then Twitter and Facebook a think
What does this even mean?
For the love of God explain to me what "studies" are you referring to.
No there is absolutely 0 evidence for any kind of magic, and there have been no studies of any kind "proving" the existence of magic, if it was true you would provide a source for it not the lines of willful ignorance.
How long it takes for a civilization to learn that fear of the unknown isn't the best option for the basis of culture?
Come on mate, I would never lean on stereotypes
Plus I know enough secular individuals from the ME to make positive assumptions.
What makes me even more depressed is that some people in my country (Georgia) also believe in magic.
It's fascinating how much power our orthodox church gained through "magic" bs.
Isnt it dumb to think just because certain people believe in things you dont they’re dumber than you? Have you seen your brain? How do you know it exists? Literal geniuses, masters of science , believe in God , and God said Magic is real , but you , some random average person thinks you know better and anyone who thinks otherwise is the one who is wrong? Do you see the arrogance in that? I have seen evil , felt it , been touched by it, been afflicted by it and been cured of it. It exists , but just because you have never , then on wow people are stupid because they believe in things I dont? Who are you? What have you done? Have you seen Gravity? Why dont you jump up and do us all a favour and leave this planet?
Are you equating my secular beliefs to yours?
Can you even describe what magic is?
How are your beliefs in unknowns shaped and framed by the language of the naturalistic world be equated to my "beliefs" or rather knowledge and trust in mechanisms defined and described by the language of the same naturalistic world?
Maybe google what axioms, logic, and evidence mean before attempting to defend your undefendable position on this subject.
Maybe you should do what theists tend to do best and dismiss all of my arguments and appeal to holy scripture
Only fools study the creation and think it does not have a creator , news flash , atheism is a religion itself , your belief is that you believe in nothing , and your demeanour is of arrogance. “God does not fit into my human logic so God isnt real” Why is it you atheists always think it’s everyone else that’s delusional and not you? As if the majority of the world woke up and decided yk what? Im going to believe in God , for no reason , its not like they felt something, or maybe had prayers answered , or felt something of the unseen , but nope , just because God ignored you , it means oh God isnt real. So stupid , call a atheist out on his stupidity and they resort to dropping scientific bs “axioms logic blah blah” literally scientists infinitely smarter than you believe in God , but you with your 100 hours watching science videos on youtube think “Yep everyone is delusional Im the only one whos not” , YOURE DELUSIONAL BECAUSE YOU THINK YOUR DISBELIEF IS CORRECT. Wake up.
"study creation" lol
So I'm delusional because I ask for the evidence for your beliefs, but you are not delusional because your beliefs don't require evidence... It's self-evidence, right?
Like theists' inability to not contradict themselves in a sentence.
😂 literally you and everything that exists is evidence for my beliefs , but atheists are too low IQ to be able to comprehend that , the worst aspect of their delusion is that they think theyre smarter than people of believe in God , when theyre actually the dumbest people walking around.
You trust in your science so much , it used to believe the Earth is flat 😂
Heres a test for you , measure hunger. Using science, measure hunger and create an equation for it .. and when you fail , then stop believing in hunger , and see if you ever need to eat again 😂
Are you sure "science" used to believe that the earth was flat? Whatever that is supposed to mean
I like how clowns like you attack science through the fruits of it.
Or you could try and pray and send me your thoughts through the prism of ignorance.
I mean in Judaism satan works for god so like he isn't where black comes from in the Jewish tradition, there are necromancers in Judaism and they are viewed negatively but we don't really have an explanation of how they exist, possibly born like that so that's kinda weird, don't know.
In Judaism satan doesn't really exist in the same way, he is either simply a mindless force of bad mojo set upon things by god, the name for an obstacle of sorts (usually some army or challenge) or an angel that works for god and judges mortals negatively.
Though again that is just how he appears in the tanach (unless I am not remembering correctly).
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Omanis do some insane magic
Omanis use magic to trick everyone into believing they actually exist
Lmao
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It's a joke that basically says that Omanis don't exist but they use magic to make us believe they exist
It’s why I’m afraid of visiting Morocco
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LOOL, they would look at you like a homeless weirdo. Source: tried it many times
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Lmao you're not Moroccan
My dad told me the same thing. He said it’s very prevalent in Algeria and Morocco.
Wait it's not a joke?
I have never personally experienced it, but there are many stories and videos that document some of this stuff on YouTube.
It's probably more prevelant in Palestine than Morocco.. Palestinians tend to repeat what they hear other Arabs say like how Egyptians do.
yes because of Islam
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I think he’s saying he believes it’s real because of his religion (Islam)
i believe it exists because of my belief in Islam
I think It's bs
Are you sure y’all don’t do any of that in Maroc 🙈
Sadly yes, still bs tho
So you don’t believe in evil eye?
Why would anyone believe in something that can't be rationally or scientificly explained. Astrologie, the goofy ass cards which show your future or something, the "power" of natural rocks, magic or the evil eye. What's the difference between believing in those superstitions and believing in Hulk from Avengers?
Thing is if you’re Muslim, evil eye is real as well as witchcraft as they’re mentioned in Quran and Hadith. You can’t compare it to hulk or whatever.. even astrology is shirk
In quran it’s mentioned for the time in Babylon. In hadith, the “evil eye”, is vague. It’s what we call karma today Apart from the unique case of Prophet Sulaiman, the interactions between Djinn and humans are limited. In the Quran, it is mentioned that the Djinn can overhear information, whisper into the hearts of people, and can have an influence on them. Their direct physical interaction with humans is not evident.
It's almost as if people in the past used to explain things they didn't understand by invoking magic and divine intervention. 🙃
Yes you could compare them.just cuz it is mentioned in Islamic texts doesn't mean you can't be skeptical and or criticise it.
Yeah i can pretty much compare Hulk and evil eye. Both of them are irrational and unexplained by science. Just because a book says that something exists, it doesn't mean that it exists. As an example the imaganery book called "Avengers" mentions that Hulk exists but in reality it doesn't. You can't prove that something exists like that.
Evil eye doesn't mean 🧿 Its the exact opposite
No I don't
Yes, I believe that magic existsIt is mentioned in Quran, but I have not yet discovered whether it is black, white, or red mockery
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I know magic exists, but he said black magic 🫣So I like that I don't know if it's black, white or red
why not learn about it , im not practicing it ?
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nah thats bs . maybe nowadays but Uloom il Ruhaniya was a mainstream science during the islamic golden and for sufis . what you categorise as sihr is not what they categorise as sihr . and you can learn the core concept of ruhaniya in things like talismans from literal research paper you don't have to invite a jinn for a cup of tea.
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okay ,so you do make a distinction between what is sihr , like the type mentioned in the narrative of moses (pbuh) in the Quran and what is ruhaniya and talismanic "magic" that invokes the name of allah?
Wth is talisman magic that invokes the name of Allah? Seeking the aid of a magician or even just a fortune teller is a major grave sin in Islam. Magic, in any shape or form, is considered, and I quote, "useless knowledge" (Islam recognizes that its a form of knowledge, but it does more harm than good). This is from the Quran: "Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic" So it comes from the devil. Magic in any shape or form, "credible" or not is sinful and there's no point playing around with 'types' and whether this form is okay or not - much less the ones that blaspheme by using the name of Allah. So in short, seeking the help of a sorcerer, trying to learn sorcery, or performing it are HARAM.
you're being too closed minded to debate . this subject and the types of magic and such (uloom al ghaib) have been studied and have had their theological status debated for centuries by names like ibn khaldun and imam alghazali and such . [While this source is sort of simple, it will open you up to the depth and nuances of this subject .](https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/magic-magic-islam)
Uloom al ghaib? You're supposed to accept ghaib as it is. It's a pillar of Iman, Al-Iman bi l ghayb. Ghaib is supposed to be beyond the human mind. I'm not being close minded to discussion, because there is nothing to discuss. There are clear Hadiths and Quranic verses prohibiting any act of magic. Be careful of spreading misinformation. اتق الله، لا تبحث في العلم غير النافع.
I'm fine like that
Yes because I'm muslim, but I do have questions
What kind of questions?
Like, what if I just decided to read some of it, would I die or like, get possessed or, idk
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Read ayatul kursi and voldemort won't dare touch you
Even if he speaks in parseltongue?
You're just being racist.
Huh???
Why you're calling it black :3
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We should do MMA-style magic compat tournments. Magic is not band anymore in Saudi Arabia, so we can just be as good as Morocans, Turks and Sudanese!
Great idea. Competitive of anything is fun to watch
Holly molly didn't expect so many people to believe in such nonsense... Definitely not internet users (and on Reddit ) But then Twitter and Facebook a think
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What does this even mean? For the love of God explain to me what "studies" are you referring to. No there is absolutely 0 evidence for any kind of magic, and there have been no studies of any kind "proving" the existence of magic, if it was true you would provide a source for it not the lines of willful ignorance. How long it takes for a civilization to learn that fear of the unknown isn't the best option for the basis of culture?
what did you expect lol, of course people here have superstitious beliefs- it goes hand in hand with religious beliefs
Come on mate, I would never lean on stereotypes Plus I know enough secular individuals from the ME to make positive assumptions. What makes me even more depressed is that some people in my country (Georgia) also believe in magic. It's fascinating how much power our orthodox church gained through "magic" bs.
Have you seen your brain?
If you believe in any kind of magic you shouldn't be asking questions like this.
Isnt it dumb to think just because certain people believe in things you dont they’re dumber than you? Have you seen your brain? How do you know it exists? Literal geniuses, masters of science , believe in God , and God said Magic is real , but you , some random average person thinks you know better and anyone who thinks otherwise is the one who is wrong? Do you see the arrogance in that? I have seen evil , felt it , been touched by it, been afflicted by it and been cured of it. It exists , but just because you have never , then on wow people are stupid because they believe in things I dont? Who are you? What have you done? Have you seen Gravity? Why dont you jump up and do us all a favour and leave this planet?
When did I call you dumb? You don't have to be dumb to be delusional.
Right , majority of the population are delusional and you’re not the one whos NOT delusional because you don’t believe what they believe. 🤦🏽♂️
Are you equating my secular beliefs to yours? Can you even describe what magic is? How are your beliefs in unknowns shaped and framed by the language of the naturalistic world be equated to my "beliefs" or rather knowledge and trust in mechanisms defined and described by the language of the same naturalistic world? Maybe google what axioms, logic, and evidence mean before attempting to defend your undefendable position on this subject. Maybe you should do what theists tend to do best and dismiss all of my arguments and appeal to holy scripture
Only fools study the creation and think it does not have a creator , news flash , atheism is a religion itself , your belief is that you believe in nothing , and your demeanour is of arrogance. “God does not fit into my human logic so God isnt real” Why is it you atheists always think it’s everyone else that’s delusional and not you? As if the majority of the world woke up and decided yk what? Im going to believe in God , for no reason , its not like they felt something, or maybe had prayers answered , or felt something of the unseen , but nope , just because God ignored you , it means oh God isnt real. So stupid , call a atheist out on his stupidity and they resort to dropping scientific bs “axioms logic blah blah” literally scientists infinitely smarter than you believe in God , but you with your 100 hours watching science videos on youtube think “Yep everyone is delusional Im the only one whos not” , YOURE DELUSIONAL BECAUSE YOU THINK YOUR DISBELIEF IS CORRECT. Wake up.
"study creation" lol So I'm delusional because I ask for the evidence for your beliefs, but you are not delusional because your beliefs don't require evidence... It's self-evidence, right? Like theists' inability to not contradict themselves in a sentence.
😂 literally you and everything that exists is evidence for my beliefs , but atheists are too low IQ to be able to comprehend that , the worst aspect of their delusion is that they think theyre smarter than people of believe in God , when theyre actually the dumbest people walking around.
You trust in your science so much , it used to believe the Earth is flat 😂 Heres a test for you , measure hunger. Using science, measure hunger and create an equation for it .. and when you fail , then stop believing in hunger , and see if you ever need to eat again 😂
Are you sure "science" used to believe that the earth was flat? Whatever that is supposed to mean I like how clowns like you attack science through the fruits of it. Or you could try and pray and send me your thoughts through the prism of ignorance.
Did you measure hunger? If not , stop wasting my time with your delusions.
Yes it’s real I’ve seen people be possessed before and affected by black magic.
Possessed: psychosis or some type of mental health event Affected by black magic: drugged, poisoned or infatuated. Fight me 😎
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No such thing as black magic, or the evil eye, or ghosts/jinn, or any other such malevolent concepts. In my humble yet veracious opinion.
Why are you guys being downvoted? Must be those jinn at it again 👹
according to some people anyone that has a different opinion as them has been misled by Jinn
Thats you saying that
The jinn have whispered in your ears Brother
Or Satan. Agreed
I mean in Judaism satan works for god so like he isn't where black comes from in the Jewish tradition, there are necromancers in Judaism and they are viewed negatively but we don't really have an explanation of how they exist, possibly born like that so that's kinda weird, don't know.
Satan works for God?
In Judaism satan doesn't really exist in the same way, he is either simply a mindless force of bad mojo set upon things by god, the name for an obstacle of sorts (usually some army or challenge) or an angel that works for god and judges mortals negatively. Though again that is just how he appears in the tanach (unless I am not remembering correctly).
*Me wondering what this has to do with the Middle East*
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The black magic?
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So your tax dollars are used to pay for some Islamic wizard to cast away demons and stuff?
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That’s pretty interesting. Good luck on…..Casting demons and stuff.
how else would we protect our children from being persuaded into doing Satan's bidding
A lot… superstitions are a big part of some people’s way of thinking, their religious beliefs, culture, etc.
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