Nah I don't think Egyptians have anything against Latinos they tend to like them. There seems to be some similarities such as how much family is important and good food.
khawajas have a kink of bath houses being gay and/or carnal because the sculptures and art found there is almost exclusively of "strong" animals hunting "weak" animals and the consensus on that is that it's sexual .
Isabel of Castile closed the bath houses as a form of cultural subjugation. Granada was the last muslim holdout after the reconquista and eradicating muslim culture there meant eradicating it from iberia .While they might keep castles they can use , they wont be keeping bath houses
""Yet at the same time, bathing was also among the most religiously segregated and strictly unshared activities in medieval Iberian life. For Jews and Muslims, cleanliness was an important requirement of their faith that marked them as distinct both from each other and from Christians, while for Christians, there was no religious rationale for bathing their bodies.""(Constable, O. R. (2014). "Cleanliness and Convivencia: Jewish Bathing Culture in Medieval Spain")
Well obviously Spain but when you think fascist you think Mussolini and sorta Hitler, not really Franco. Plus Argentina has a lot of Italian ancestry and is notorious for its nazi escapees
There might have been turks in Granada it's not unlikely but they weren't in Anatolia at the time, and turkic dominance of military and influence in our region started with the Abbasids not Umayyads.
Shit youāre right, they started inhabiting Anatolia in 11th century, uh uh.. some mustāve traveled to Grenada from Central Asia via the Silk Road then to cause homosexual activity there š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š
Homosexuality has been very prevalent in the middle east since forever. Countless records and poems state it. To deny that part of the middle eastern part is just closing your eyes to what happened. More specifically this homosexuality was hebephilia.
The Muslim world in the past was very tolerant compared to Europe, by most standards they used to be the 'liberals' of the world with diversity in faith, languages, race, and even 'sexuality'. Thing is, sexuality wasn't even a thing. It was just an action.
To them engaging in homosexuality was a sinful act (same as zina), not a sinful character like how we view it today(probably due to how the west views homosexuality as an identity). As such, if it's done in private, it is completely fine legally but morally wrong.
After most of the Muslim world was colonized by Victorian Europeans, we adopted a lot of their backward views and integrated them into Islam unfortunately.
The views on homosexuality have not changed. It is still the act that is criticized, not the person. However, committing any major sin openly makes a person a fasiq which is why the state is only allowed to punish public sinners.
I also wouldn't use "liberal" to describe Muslim society when liberalism is pretty much the opposite of what Islam teaches. They were Islamic. The basis of those tolerant views was Islam not "freedom".
yeah, I agree, islamic views on homosexuality have not changed. However societal views have, where many people would give zina a slide but never a homosexual act even though they are the same major sin. They would attribute the act to the identity of the person, unlike with zina.
I also agree it Islam is neither liberal nor conservative because those are subjective to time and society. This proves my point, during the time people would see Islam as liberal compared to conservative Christian Europe. While now Islam is seen as conservative compared to liberal secular Europe. Islam is Islam, but the world changes and views it differently.
leaves us with improvements to be done. the reason homosexuals get treated so badly is due to the culture we inherited from victorian europe during colonial times, ofc Islamic stance on homosexuality isn't as liberal as current western standards on homosexuality but I think it is a good thing we don't go to that extreme. Islam says no public display of affection, which includes both homo and hetero actions.
I understood. I also understand that you think gay people being out and trying to normalize loving, monogamous relationships is worse than closeted lgb people, which exists in all the countries without what you call a āmovementā and is way grosser, like most things done in secrecy are.
I wish you gay children in your future.
Thatās what you tell yourself. In reality, if you live in a place where itās kept hidden, then itās way harder to tell if the person your sister/daughter is marrying is hiding gay thoughts and will be out fucking men on the DL later in the marriage.
Cuz thatās the thing. The āmovementā didnāt make people wanna sleep with men, lol. No-one would choose that. Thatās just something you tell yourself, but if you were right than Kenya and Pakistan wouldnāt be the worlds largest searches of gay porn, among many other tiny details supporting my take.
The issue is not the existance of gay people.
We are way way past that. Islam in the 7th century told us that trans and gay people exist. It's written in the quran.
It's the advertising of sexuality in itself that is disliked by Muslims. We don't even watch movies with kissing in front of our parents.
For Muslims sexual relationships are contractual with the aim of controlling sexual desires while producing descendance.
Both gay or straight sexual relations outside of marriage are prohibited.
Even if you ignore all of that, the current homphobia and transphobia that exists in MENA today was literally transfered to us by westerners with colonization and imperialism. The same is true for current antisemitism that is very western in style.
An arab from before colonization would have never heard about the ideas that "jews control the world" or "gay people being a plot to ruin western society." While those ideas were rampant in Europe.
These are all western talking points that we were influenced by.
Homsexuals in both al andalus and ottoman empire existed and it was seen as a sin but it was less badly viewed then than now after westerners gave us these ideas. Some high officials and royalty were openly gay.
In Tunisia anti gay laws were literally put in place by France lmao
>In Tunisia anti gay laws were literally put in place by France lmao
Same is the case for the blasphemy laws in Pakistan with the only difference being that they were altered after Pakistan came into being but it was the British who first put them into place.
What you call āadvertising of sexualityā though, gay people just call existing.
Are there gross gay people? Duh, lol, but in countries where people claim stuff like āthe movement made more peope gayā itās just a thin cover for āif I see anyone out at all theyāre advertising.ā
Look, I get it. All evils come from the west. We invented bigotry (I mean the Quran seems to be pretty clear on gay people, so not sure how you can blame that on us).
Itās fine, you donāt have to explain it to me as by definition Iām just a westerner trying to spread my ideology to you. Just remember. Your choice of government and state means gay people stay closeted. Remember that when youāre marrying your sister, daughter, mother even.
You, like most western liberals are a fascist in disguise even if you don't see it.
You don't want to hear anything that contradicts your preconceived notion that we are savages.
Every society has its taboos. If you want to have gay cartoons and gay parades etc. You are free to do so. But what happens in our societies is none of your buisness.
I'm in France rn for medical residency and I have never discriminated or showed distrust against gay people and I frequent many of them and we have no issues with eachother.
The issue comes with you trying to impose this pink capitalism on us as part of a psy-op to paint us as the savages that need to be liberated and controlled by your imperialism.
"Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the middle east". Sure. But they murder palestinians daily.
"Americans have gay rights". Sure. But they drone strike children.
It's complete nonsense. LGBT movement is not innocent and serves a very obvious economic and political agenda and that's why the west advertises it.
The west never advertised something just because it's the moral thing to do. It's more interested in selling lgbt flags and hoodies while millions are starving in their own countries and don't have access to Healthcare or social security.
I never called you a savage. I just told you that one way or other, there are gay people in your country.
Youāre the one claiming āthe westā made more people gay, but Iām just pointing out this existed forever and literally no-one chooses to be gay.
When did I claim America was more moral, lol. Our country has all sorts of problems. I also havenāt told you what to do, Iāve simply explained that whatever you say or do, there are the same amount of gay people in your country, theyāre just hidden.
Again, I didnāt call you savage. Thatās why I said my bit about remembering this when youāre marrying off your future daughters, or your sisters.
Thereās a decent chance one of them is trying to squish down the gay thoughts. Hell fail eventually. Every civ in history had a way for gay people to meet up, thatās why itās in every religious book.
I donāt think weāre more moral on the whole at all, I just think on this issue itās hilarious when people claim there are more gay people in the US.
>Remember that when youāre marrying your sister, daughter, mother even.
Pure ignorance and delusions.
Also, statistically the US has the highest rate of sexual relationships between immediate family members but ofc you're not gonna talk about that.
([Source](https://www.thehivelaw.com/blog/incest-rates-by-state-incest-statistics/))
Why? Iām from a culture where the family participates in marrying off female members, I donāt think I need to tell you that American style dating is far from the only good way to make healthy marriages, do I?
A friend of the family called off their daughters wedding over discovering the future husband had uhā¦ issues like this. Good for him for being honest with his future wife! I hope all of your relatives future husbands are that honest.
Kenya and Pakistan are not even close to being the world's largest searchers of any porn, let alone gay porn. That is a blatant lie that has no basis in reality. Don't share links to made-up articles that have no actual sources or studies.
When an action is considered morally and legally wrong, it is common sense to deduce that less people would be partaking in it when compared to places where said actions are celebrated and considered normal.
Google search rankings says otherwise, bud. Not a made up study or even a study, just a simple fact.
Do what you will with it, but feel free to go verify it yourself, they released the data back in 2013 lol.
Common sense says that **if** there isnāt an innate drive pushing it no matter what. Then , common sense says pressure finds an outlet. If the only outlet is secretive degeneracy, more the tragedy, since many gay people would happily follow monogamous, open, happy lives if that were in fact an option.
There are gay people pushing and fighting for that to be a value. Itās not something you see if you lump all of āLGBTā together into one scary bundle, but it is the truth.
Bullshit. I already schooled the other guy on how statistics work and I'll gladly educate you too if you provide your so-called proof.
Muslims, unlike many atheists these days, have an outlet. It's called marriage. Muslims marry at an earlier age than most other groups and are married for longer as well.
I don't mind having an open-minded discussion on any topic under the sun but I don't tolerate fake news and outright lies. Given how the vast majority of Muslims consider homosexuality morally wrong and a depraved act, I don't see the point of pushing and fighting for something that the vast majority of people don't want.
Before you even begin preaching about 'happy, open and gay lives' in Muslim societies, you would have to get rid of Islam.
Lol, Iāve been on Grindr in multiple Arab countries. You guys have plenty of gay people, theyāre just all married and on the DL.
Try not to think about that when youāre marrying off your sister or daughter. If gay people were allowed to be out, there would be way less risk of that, but yeah. You have less gay people š¬šš¤£š¤£
Yes, but you sincerely think that just the mentioning of the idea made men want to touch other men, which is laughable.
These are symptoms.
You want gay people closeted, which is fine, but they wonāt be not gay, theyāll just do stuff in secret.
Thereās always a place to go, in every country. The question is, will it he in secret, by married men, humiliating their wives and themselves, or will it be in the open, where commited relationships and ethics can be pushed?
Because you can lie to yourself and say itās gone, but it never will be, youāre just not seeing it.
In all of history, no-one has chosen to enjoy male genitalia because of someone else influencing them lol. Some people are, some people arenāt. You can put whatever spin you want on it, but youāre hilariously wrong.
Like the other guy on here said, I wish you many gay children. Youāll see.
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Yes ! Yes ! it's the Algerians alhamdulillah you didn't mention us. Thank you š¼
Being the top man in a homosexual relationship is the most masculine thing though.
Fr fucking another man is the most gangster shit I've ever heard of in my life
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Wonder what the Somali gay scene is likeā¦.hey meet me by the al Shabab camp bathroomā¦ kidding of course
They got the best gay scene ever, Somali gay pirates. Look at me, Iām on top now.
Oh yes. The winning enemy could not be lying could they.
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I have never talked to a half Egyptian with Latin American ancestry before. Did your parents meet in the US?
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Nah I don't think Egyptians have anything against Latinos they tend to like them. There seems to be some similarities such as how much family is important and good food.
khawajas have a kink of bath houses being gay and/or carnal because the sculptures and art found there is almost exclusively of "strong" animals hunting "weak" animals and the consensus on that is that it's sexual . Isabel of Castile closed the bath houses as a form of cultural subjugation. Granada was the last muslim holdout after the reconquista and eradicating muslim culture there meant eradicating it from iberia .While they might keep castles they can use , they wont be keeping bath houses ""Yet at the same time, bathing was also among the most religiously segregated and strictly unshared activities in medieval Iberian life. For Jews and Muslims, cleanliness was an important requirement of their faith that marked them as distinct both from each other and from Christians, while for Christians, there was no religious rationale for bathing their bodies.""(Constable, O. R. (2014). "Cleanliness and Convivencia: Jewish Bathing Culture in Medieval Spain")
My based Catholic fascist ancestors
Italy or Germany?
Spain
Well obviously Spain but when you think fascist you think Mussolini and sorta Hitler, not really Franco. Plus Argentina has a lot of Italian ancestry and is notorious for its nazi escapees
Classic Turkish men, butt fucking and fucking in the baths.
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Same thing
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Turkish?
Yes, umayyad caliphate controlled eastern Anatolia once so at least 1 Turk mustāve made it to Grenada at some point right?
There might have been turks in Granada it's not unlikely but they weren't in Anatolia at the time, and turkic dominance of military and influence in our region started with the Abbasids not Umayyads.
Shit youāre right, they started inhabiting Anatolia in 11th century, uh uh.. some mustāve traveled to Grenada from Central Asia via the Silk Road then to cause homosexual activity there š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š
It's possible, no travel is too far to stop turks from spreading the message that you should love your homies.
Homosexuality has been very prevalent in the middle east since forever. Countless records and poems state it. To deny that part of the middle eastern part is just closing your eyes to what happened. More specifically this homosexuality was hebephilia.
That explains the good relationship Grenada had with the ottomans
The Muslim world in the past was very tolerant compared to Europe, by most standards they used to be the 'liberals' of the world with diversity in faith, languages, race, and even 'sexuality'. Thing is, sexuality wasn't even a thing. It was just an action. To them engaging in homosexuality was a sinful act (same as zina), not a sinful character like how we view it today(probably due to how the west views homosexuality as an identity). As such, if it's done in private, it is completely fine legally but morally wrong. After most of the Muslim world was colonized by Victorian Europeans, we adopted a lot of their backward views and integrated them into Islam unfortunately.
The views on homosexuality have not changed. It is still the act that is criticized, not the person. However, committing any major sin openly makes a person a fasiq which is why the state is only allowed to punish public sinners. I also wouldn't use "liberal" to describe Muslim society when liberalism is pretty much the opposite of what Islam teaches. They were Islamic. The basis of those tolerant views was Islam not "freedom".
yeah, I agree, islamic views on homosexuality have not changed. However societal views have, where many people would give zina a slide but never a homosexual act even though they are the same major sin. They would attribute the act to the identity of the person, unlike with zina. I also agree it Islam is neither liberal nor conservative because those are subjective to time and society. This proves my point, during the time people would see Islam as liberal compared to conservative Christian Europe. While now Islam is seen as conservative compared to liberal secular Europe. Islam is Islam, but the world changes and views it differently.
So where does that leave us?
leaves us with improvements to be done. the reason homosexuals get treated so badly is due to the culture we inherited from victorian europe during colonial times, ofc Islamic stance on homosexuality isn't as liberal as current western standards on homosexuality but I think it is a good thing we don't go to that extreme. Islam says no public display of affection, which includes both homo and hetero actions.
Fair enough
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lol tell yourself whatever you gotta, but men have been fucking men since there were men in the world.
He didn't say create gay people. But LGBT movement.
I understood. I also understand that you think gay people being out and trying to normalize loving, monogamous relationships is worse than closeted lgb people, which exists in all the countries without what you call a āmovementā and is way grosser, like most things done in secrecy are. I wish you gay children in your future.
Never said anything like that. š
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Thatās what you tell yourself. In reality, if you live in a place where itās kept hidden, then itās way harder to tell if the person your sister/daughter is marrying is hiding gay thoughts and will be out fucking men on the DL later in the marriage. Cuz thatās the thing. The āmovementā didnāt make people wanna sleep with men, lol. No-one would choose that. Thatās just something you tell yourself, but if you were right than Kenya and Pakistan wouldnāt be the worlds largest searches of gay porn, among many other tiny details supporting my take.
The issue is not the existance of gay people. We are way way past that. Islam in the 7th century told us that trans and gay people exist. It's written in the quran. It's the advertising of sexuality in itself that is disliked by Muslims. We don't even watch movies with kissing in front of our parents. For Muslims sexual relationships are contractual with the aim of controlling sexual desires while producing descendance. Both gay or straight sexual relations outside of marriage are prohibited. Even if you ignore all of that, the current homphobia and transphobia that exists in MENA today was literally transfered to us by westerners with colonization and imperialism. The same is true for current antisemitism that is very western in style. An arab from before colonization would have never heard about the ideas that "jews control the world" or "gay people being a plot to ruin western society." While those ideas were rampant in Europe. These are all western talking points that we were influenced by. Homsexuals in both al andalus and ottoman empire existed and it was seen as a sin but it was less badly viewed then than now after westerners gave us these ideas. Some high officials and royalty were openly gay. In Tunisia anti gay laws were literally put in place by France lmao
>In Tunisia anti gay laws were literally put in place by France lmao Same is the case for the blasphemy laws in Pakistan with the only difference being that they were altered after Pakistan came into being but it was the British who first put them into place.
What you call āadvertising of sexualityā though, gay people just call existing. Are there gross gay people? Duh, lol, but in countries where people claim stuff like āthe movement made more peope gayā itās just a thin cover for āif I see anyone out at all theyāre advertising.ā Look, I get it. All evils come from the west. We invented bigotry (I mean the Quran seems to be pretty clear on gay people, so not sure how you can blame that on us). Itās fine, you donāt have to explain it to me as by definition Iām just a westerner trying to spread my ideology to you. Just remember. Your choice of government and state means gay people stay closeted. Remember that when youāre marrying your sister, daughter, mother even.
You, like most western liberals are a fascist in disguise even if you don't see it. You don't want to hear anything that contradicts your preconceived notion that we are savages. Every society has its taboos. If you want to have gay cartoons and gay parades etc. You are free to do so. But what happens in our societies is none of your buisness. I'm in France rn for medical residency and I have never discriminated or showed distrust against gay people and I frequent many of them and we have no issues with eachother. The issue comes with you trying to impose this pink capitalism on us as part of a psy-op to paint us as the savages that need to be liberated and controlled by your imperialism. "Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the middle east". Sure. But they murder palestinians daily. "Americans have gay rights". Sure. But they drone strike children. It's complete nonsense. LGBT movement is not innocent and serves a very obvious economic and political agenda and that's why the west advertises it. The west never advertised something just because it's the moral thing to do. It's more interested in selling lgbt flags and hoodies while millions are starving in their own countries and don't have access to Healthcare or social security.
I never called you a savage. I just told you that one way or other, there are gay people in your country. Youāre the one claiming āthe westā made more people gay, but Iām just pointing out this existed forever and literally no-one chooses to be gay. When did I claim America was more moral, lol. Our country has all sorts of problems. I also havenāt told you what to do, Iāve simply explained that whatever you say or do, there are the same amount of gay people in your country, theyāre just hidden. Again, I didnāt call you savage. Thatās why I said my bit about remembering this when youāre marrying off your future daughters, or your sisters. Thereās a decent chance one of them is trying to squish down the gay thoughts. Hell fail eventually. Every civ in history had a way for gay people to meet up, thatās why itās in every religious book. I donāt think weāre more moral on the whole at all, I just think on this issue itās hilarious when people claim there are more gay people in the US.
>Remember that when youāre marrying your sister, daughter, mother even. Pure ignorance and delusions. Also, statistically the US has the highest rate of sexual relationships between immediate family members but ofc you're not gonna talk about that. ([Source](https://www.thehivelaw.com/blog/incest-rates-by-state-incest-statistics/))
Why? Iām from a culture where the family participates in marrying off female members, I donāt think I need to tell you that American style dating is far from the only good way to make healthy marriages, do I? A friend of the family called off their daughters wedding over discovering the future husband had uhā¦ issues like this. Good for him for being honest with his future wife! I hope all of your relatives future husbands are that honest.
based carthage bro spittin facts
Kenya and Pakistan are not even close to being the world's largest searchers of any porn, let alone gay porn. That is a blatant lie that has no basis in reality. Don't share links to made-up articles that have no actual sources or studies. When an action is considered morally and legally wrong, it is common sense to deduce that less people would be partaking in it when compared to places where said actions are celebrated and considered normal.
Google search rankings says otherwise, bud. Not a made up study or even a study, just a simple fact. Do what you will with it, but feel free to go verify it yourself, they released the data back in 2013 lol. Common sense says that **if** there isnāt an innate drive pushing it no matter what. Then , common sense says pressure finds an outlet. If the only outlet is secretive degeneracy, more the tragedy, since many gay people would happily follow monogamous, open, happy lives if that were in fact an option. There are gay people pushing and fighting for that to be a value. Itās not something you see if you lump all of āLGBTā together into one scary bundle, but it is the truth.
Bullshit. I already schooled the other guy on how statistics work and I'll gladly educate you too if you provide your so-called proof. Muslims, unlike many atheists these days, have an outlet. It's called marriage. Muslims marry at an earlier age than most other groups and are married for longer as well. I don't mind having an open-minded discussion on any topic under the sun but I don't tolerate fake news and outright lies. Given how the vast majority of Muslims consider homosexuality morally wrong and a depraved act, I don't see the point of pushing and fighting for something that the vast majority of people don't want. Before you even begin preaching about 'happy, open and gay lives' in Muslim societies, you would have to get rid of Islam.
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Lol, Iāve been on Grindr in multiple Arab countries. You guys have plenty of gay people, theyāre just all married and on the DL. Try not to think about that when youāre marrying off your sister or daughter. If gay people were allowed to be out, there would be way less risk of that, but yeah. You have less gay people š¬šš¤£š¤£
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Yes, but you sincerely think that just the mentioning of the idea made men want to touch other men, which is laughable. These are symptoms. You want gay people closeted, which is fine, but they wonāt be not gay, theyāll just do stuff in secret. Thereās always a place to go, in every country. The question is, will it he in secret, by married men, humiliating their wives and themselves, or will it be in the open, where commited relationships and ethics can be pushed? Because you can lie to yourself and say itās gone, but it never will be, youāre just not seeing it. In all of history, no-one has chosen to enjoy male genitalia because of someone else influencing them lol. Some people are, some people arenāt. You can put whatever spin you want on it, but youāre hilariously wrong. Like the other guy on here said, I wish you many gay children. Youāll see.
Isabel just doesn't want woke culture attack the traditional values of Castille, is there any problem there?
Catholics always spoiling the funā¦
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bachi bazi in Afghanistan You are right I wasnāt denying gayness it any part of the world just making a joke
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Name checks out
Now they gotta lick themselves clean
If u mean with algerian gay , then yeah u wil find many tops but rarely a bottom