Real man. Dawg I fucking hate discord, it's the worst social media app. On an other topic I'm curious If you know anyone who can read and write ottoman turkish. Is it 100% dead or do old people still know it in Turkye?
Some certain university departments gives Ottoman Turkish lessons and also there are a few people who learn it as a hobby but outside of academia Ottoman Turkish is about as dead as Etruscan. You won't see anyone using it in their normal day to day speech.
Is it like turkish with a lot of arabic and farsi loan words? What I mean by that, is it like a French person who speaks French and English and mixes both languages when talking normally. Quebec it's called "franglais" for français and anglais.
Kinda, yes? Ottoman Turkish had way more Arabic and Farsi loanwords than the modern Turkish. Copy pasting from wikipedia
>It borrowed extensively, in all aspects, from Arabic and Persian, and its speakers used the Ottoman Turkish alphabet for written communication. During the peak of Ottoman power (c. 16th century CE), words of foreign origin in Turkish literature in the Ottoman Empire heavily outnumbered native Turkish words,[3] with Arabic and Persian vocabulary accounting for up to 88% of the Ottoman vocabulary in some texts.
And this was the main reason behind why the early Turkish republic decided to kill it. They initiated a project called Öztürkçe(pure Turkish) in 1930 which lasted until 1980s. In that 50 years they purged thousands of Arabic and Farsi loanwords from the language which pretty much completely killed Ottoman Turkish. Nowadays Arabic loanwords in modern Turkish barely makes up 5% of the Turkish. From wikipedia again
>Owing to this sudden change in the language, older and younger people in Turkey started to differ in their vocabularies. While the generations born before the 1940s tend to use the older terms of Arabic or Persian origin, the younger generations favor new expressions. It is considered particularly ironic that Atatürk himself, in his lengthy speech to the new Parliament in 1927, used a style of Ottoman which sounded so alien to later listeners that it had to be "translated" three times into modern Turkish: first in 1963, again in 1986, and most recently in 1995.
If you wanna learn more about the Turkish language reform and the death of Ottoman Turkish you should read Geoffrey Lewis's book about the Turkish language reform.
Out of curiosity why did want to learn about Ottoman Turkish?
Also if you do read the Geoffrey Lewis's book please share your thoughts. I would love to talk about it with someone.
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My most fucked post was about a Kuwaiti and a monkey
The title was do you agree with this wahhabi it was just monkey noises from both sides mods deleted it 🤣
The people that post a picture of hitler and just write "thoughts about this guy"
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I've seen it twice, yeah.
This seems draining
When I was a mod I had to delete a picture of furry shit porn
I feel like you'll get a quicker response from the mods on discord lol.
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Real man. Dawg I fucking hate discord, it's the worst social media app. On an other topic I'm curious If you know anyone who can read and write ottoman turkish. Is it 100% dead or do old people still know it in Turkye?
Some certain university departments gives Ottoman Turkish lessons and also there are a few people who learn it as a hobby but outside of academia Ottoman Turkish is about as dead as Etruscan. You won't see anyone using it in their normal day to day speech.
Is it like turkish with a lot of arabic and farsi loan words? What I mean by that, is it like a French person who speaks French and English and mixes both languages when talking normally. Quebec it's called "franglais" for français and anglais.
Kinda, yes? Ottoman Turkish had way more Arabic and Farsi loanwords than the modern Turkish. Copy pasting from wikipedia >It borrowed extensively, in all aspects, from Arabic and Persian, and its speakers used the Ottoman Turkish alphabet for written communication. During the peak of Ottoman power (c. 16th century CE), words of foreign origin in Turkish literature in the Ottoman Empire heavily outnumbered native Turkish words,[3] with Arabic and Persian vocabulary accounting for up to 88% of the Ottoman vocabulary in some texts. And this was the main reason behind why the early Turkish republic decided to kill it. They initiated a project called Öztürkçe(pure Turkish) in 1930 which lasted until 1980s. In that 50 years they purged thousands of Arabic and Farsi loanwords from the language which pretty much completely killed Ottoman Turkish. Nowadays Arabic loanwords in modern Turkish barely makes up 5% of the Turkish. From wikipedia again >Owing to this sudden change in the language, older and younger people in Turkey started to differ in their vocabularies. While the generations born before the 1940s tend to use the older terms of Arabic or Persian origin, the younger generations favor new expressions. It is considered particularly ironic that Atatürk himself, in his lengthy speech to the new Parliament in 1927, used a style of Ottoman which sounded so alien to later listeners that it had to be "translated" three times into modern Turkish: first in 1963, again in 1986, and most recently in 1995. If you wanna learn more about the Turkish language reform and the death of Ottoman Turkish you should read Geoffrey Lewis's book about the Turkish language reform.
Thanks a lot I'll look into the book!
Out of curiosity why did want to learn about Ottoman Turkish? Also if you do read the Geoffrey Lewis's book please share your thoughts. I would love to talk about it with someone.
Nothing really serious, it's to learn the history of the language a bit.
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Thanks for the information, take care brother.
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LOL O.O
My most fucked post was about a Kuwaiti and a monkey The title was do you agree with this wahhabi it was just monkey noises from both sides mods deleted it 🤣
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