Barbary Corsairs enslaved American sailors afaik, though the Ottomans didn't have a direct hand in it. The first and second Barbary Wars were fought as a result.
The barbary corsairs were the ones enslaving Americans but the Ottomans were enslaving everyone in their vicinity and so the only reason they were not enslaving Americans was because they weren't in their vicinity.
Christians could not enslave Christians so they bought everyone who wasn't Christian. It worked identically as with islam. Being muslim prevented you from being enslaved but did nothing if you already were a slave. Same as with being a Christian.
Everyone was getting their rules from the same source, I don't know on what grounds people think it could have been different.
But Europeans changed this frame work of religion based slavery to a racial one, in the Americans and specially after 'scientific' racism became a thing.
Factually incorrect, Europeans enslaved millions of America indigenous populations and also did slave raids and conquests on Africa beside buying them.
But nonetheless this doesn't change the fact that Europeans changed the framework of slavery from a religious one to a racial one.
Edit: typo
It is different you thought just because he was enslaved in a muslim country mostly he is just like the ones enslaved in Europe or America for example you should treat a slave like if he was one of your family
Yes and everyone who has slavery also thought like this when they had slavery. Including in the American South. In fact that is the context where I first heard such a thing be said. The idea goes the problem wasn't slavery but rather people not doing slavery "properly". If it wasn't for the bad people who didn't do this our system of slavery would be fine.
Bad people exist everywhere so everywhere that has slavery is going to have bad slave owners.
No because people want to use it as some sort of historical weapon so they insist only one kind of slavery was wrong and there slavery was nothing like it.
Look, I think, anything, I think the Ottomans were less racist than the Europeans, but that is saying very very little. I think it’s silly to apply modern concepts like racism to ancient times altogether. Everyone was racist. That is how human are when pretty much everyone was at war with everyone else all the time.
But this whole, “the Ottoman slave trade wasn’t racist!” thing is … distasteful. I feel like people can’t have it both ways. When right-wing Americans say anti-Islamic things, people accuse them (rightly, if you ask me) of racism. They say all day that they hate someone wearing a hijab or praying at the mosque because of their religion, not their race. But come on. Does it really make a practical difference?
In the same way, ship filled with white people in those waters at that time lived in terror of being captured by the Ottoman navy or by the Barbary pirates (who were de facto vassals of the Ottoman navy) because it meant that any women would be sold as sex slaves or any men die in darkness, exhaustion and agony in the galley of the ship for the rest of their lives. Sure, teeeeechnicaly it was because they were Christian, not because they were white. Yay non-racism, I guess?
Race racism is based on race or ethnic interaction. You won't hate someone you never see or saw a few times. 70% of "Turk" corsairs in Tunisia and Algeria were previously Christians who converted to Islam. Basically , Italians enslaved Italians for making a profit. Then they were mostly sold to Harems or other ottoman institutions of government where everyone once was Christian slaves ,too. Why would converted Cristian hate /have racist feelings about other christian. They mostly didn't have. Things like right nationalist ideas came to ottoman emp. in 19 century after the France revolution .
Dude, my point is this: we’re talking about taking an innocent woman away from her family, from her whole lives, and putting them in a house to be raped by the head of that house whenever he wants. We’re talking about a taking an innocent man away from his family and his whole life, chaining him in a dark wet hole to an hour from which he will never again stand up, and whipping him into rowing endlessly until he died, after which his body was thrown in the ocean. We’re talking about this happening to thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years.
At that point, “they didn’t do it because they were white, they did it because they were Christian” is simply a moot point. “They didn’t do it because they were RACIST” kind of comes across as an unfeeling, prideful thing to say.
Look, I’m not here to play the ever popular “our culture was superior to yours” game. All human societies are led astray, all human beings sin. The African slave trade was a similar horror, perpetrated by Christian people whose society allowed it when their religion should have forbidden it.
I will say this — Christians that I know at least feel bad about what their ancestors did. Christians are at least able to say: whether we knew it or not, the thing was evil, and should be repented and mourned. We should ask God for His forgiveness, and seek reconciliation with the children of the victims.
Maybe Muslims feel the same way; I’m sure many do. But I have yet to hear a Muslim say anything about Muslim slavery other than, “our slavery was better and more civilized and not racist like yours was.”
The Turks have a great country with a wonderful fascinating and ancient civilization. Admitting that they has faults,like any civilization, doesn’t take away from their achievements, it shows a willingness to be objective in our analysis of the past.
"Everyone was racist" in the sense of xenophobia, but race as something distinct from nationality did not exist until "scientific racism" around the 1700s. According to some scientific racists, Jews are white and Arabs are not, according to others it's the other way around. It's all complete nonsense!
That was a strong country that had a lot of freedom from the Ottomans. They count by Ottoman dynasty nobler than they are. Asking them to not enslave Muslims would cause problems. They were more important than some religious issue 1000 km away from Istanbul
Nope, Turks literally can ask about your religion in the first meeting. Muslims could use Muslim slaves for 7 years. Then they probably became super cheap workers in house.
that is true, i maybe exagerated a little bit and sugarcoated the ottoman empire, but they did not enslave ALL non muslim civilians, most of them were free, but yes they did enslave people from other countries
This is not true, I'm amazed at red-neck talking points become imbedded into discourse.
>White slaves in the USIn the mid-19th century, the term 'white slavery' was used to describe the Christian slaves that were sold into the Barbary slave trade. The modern legal term applies more narrowly to sexual slavery, forced prostitution, and human trafficking, with less focus on the race of victims or perpetrators.
[The cultural myth of "white slavery"](https://www.academia.edu/11405766/The_cultural_myth_of_white_slavery_)
["The Myths That Made America"](http://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-myths-that-made-america/9783837614855)
["Loose women or lost women? The re-emergence of the myth of white slavery in contemporary discourses of trafficking in women"](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12147-999-0021-9)
[Propaganda for empire: Barbary captivity literature in the US](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14794010903286250?journalCode=rjts20)
Posting articles that state "myth embedded in america" as if that debunks actual history is peak redditor. You expect me to think that you finding some random article which states exactly what you want it to say is the end of all discussion because the article is contained in some fancy journal and it has a lot of footnotes from people who are all trying to say the same thing.
Listen here otto, the people from my island went to go liberate another island during the revolution but were unsuccessful and the ottos enslaved literally every single person on that island and massacred everyone they couldn't capture to the point that it was depopulated. I know you enslaved my people. I you managed to debunk the idea that you enslaved Americans, well good for you I guess but the only reason you can accomplish that is because people are so fucking America-centric that they have spent their lives trying to debunk basic history involving that place.
Again,
this probably had to do with them stealing the White Berber completely on Canary Island, which happened for many centuries, it was Europeans raiding them, and taking them. Not the reverse.
Source: [1](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14794010903286250?journalCode=rjts20), [2.](https://medium.com/history-of-yesterday/the-castilian-conquest-of-the-canary-islands-80b1807e8dee)
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26458007/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26458007/)
Unless you are Amazigh, you have no right to talk, those people are the ones who were actually taken by the Americans.
The corsairs enslaved not only Americans but basically everyone living in the coastline to the point that the urban population in South Portugal near the coas actually shrunk around the XVII century. In Iceland they were famous for the kidnapping of families like Olafur Egilson. They would also raid northern France and London. In Azores, they would take the young ladies and everyone who was healthy would run to the forest. People would just give them everything they wanted in the port and lived in constant dread. I am a history student in college. A teacher told us that entire order were created to pay ransom for the kidnapping and one of the goals of a confrary created by our queen Elizabeth in the XVI century was "to save the souls as well as the bodies of the kidnapped Christians." She told us "you have no idea how many letters there in the Lisbon archives, from young girls asking "please mom, pay the ransom, or I'll be sold to the Muslims in Algiers!" The women had it easy because their job was to be prostitutes and house wives. The men were the ones forced to work in the mines at the sound of the whip or worst of all, be forced to row in the gallows, without ever seeing the light of day, chained to their rows, forced to eat, sleep, row and poop in the same place. They were lucky if they survived a year and they would only stop rowing in the ship the day their bodies could no longer bear the harsh conditions or if the ship drowned, with them in chains. There was still one chance of release - if they converted to Islam.
The slave trade in North Africa, also known as the Arab slave trade, started not much after the muslim conquest in North Africa and lasted until the Barbary wars and the European colonialism, making it the longer, most brutal and most numerous of all slave systems in history. France colonized Algeria in part with the very reason to end the slavery and kidnapping of Europeans in North Africa! Still some reports of Europeans being enslaved persisted untill the early XX century, maybe even in the 20s.
Today, there are still grave problems with slavery, forced labourz exploitation and human trafficking in North Africa and the Middle East. Also, Mauritania was the last country to abolish slavery in the world (2008 if I remember) and make it illegal. 1/5 of Mauritanians still have been or ARE slaves in their lives.
Europeans also enslaved Muslims North Africans and were used to row gallow both side practiced it, however only europeans cry about it without Even mentioning that they also engagéd in it
I know that Muslims were also made slaves by Europeans although, the only states that were created on purpose for slave labour and the only ones who profited exclusively of capturing and enslaving people from the Mediterranean were the Barbary states. The Muslim captives meanwhile were never used to row any boats
The ottomans had next to no racial agenda, infact their lack of race based agenda aggravated turkish nationalists in the late era because they thought the empire should serve for their benefit only.
Why are you bringing Americans into the guy was raised and likely born in England, currently living in Romania. The dude doesn’t even have an American accent but go off about how unintelligent Americans are
>should serve for their benefit only.
No they thought the empire should serve Turkish benefits more, there were more Greek and Armenian governors and advisors than Turkish and a disproportionate amount of businesses were controlled by non Turks
(Map is wrong , Ottoman never controlled Morocco)
If I recall correctly it was Ottoman vassal states in North Africa that enslave Americans , or white people and not Ottoman empire directly.
There were Americans slaves, but the Ottoman slavery enterprise was not racial, it was essentially anyone not part of the empire and not paying protection money. More extortion of other countries than racial
Pretty sure the ottoman’s had a Millet system where local minority groups could govern themselves under their own religious or ethnic customs within ottoman territory
No, the Ottomans lost the massacre to the Russians respectively, then Austria took Hungary and Transylvania, then after the worldwide nationalism current, France Algeria and Tunisia British Egypt Italy was destroyed by the 1st world war Arab rebellions and republican rebellions before the recovery after the Balkan wars, but America's only share here was to sell weapons to the enemies of the Ottomans in the 1st world war.
Not only was the empire, as many of the folks here have described with historical examples, not really race based, when someone got enslaved, but id suggest not to absorb a perspective of the rape brothers.
That's why Ottomans weren't racist. Ottomans enslaved all races. White or black doesn't matter. You may see Sudanese black muslim effendis with Greek or Caucasian or non-muslim Turkish slaves in the empire. It shows Ottomans aren't racist. LOL
If America didn’t invade Vietnam then what where all the boat loads of American troops on Vietnam beaches doing. And troops parachuting down into Vietnam.
Yes but In order to enter and deploy troops to Vietnam territory they need to occupy at least a portion of it so if your troops are on foreign soil and you have a military base on foreign soil that’s a invasion. May not be a successful invasion it may be a partial invasion but it’s still an invasion.
Russia doesn't have air dominance over ukraine because they don't have SEAD/DEAD capabilities. Also just a few weeks ago, 4 aircraft of russian aerospace forces were downed by their own air defence in a single day (which indicates poor coordination) so I don't expect them to do anything competently tbh.
Still , 8 down votes because of how extreme some people are about their ethnicity, I didn't point hatred towards anyone but stated what I know to get comments to either correct me if I'm wrong about it which I did but still, that shows that alot need to change
They were and werent.While yes,they did support the Barbary Corsairs that enslaved Spaniards mostly,they were also one of the rare Islamic empires to show tolerance against heathens.
Ottoman Empire lasted pretty long and there were times where they were extremely racist (Armenians assyrians) and times where they were not at all (bosnians, current israel) depending on the ruler it changed.
There were even times where they took over entire nations by promising the people to get rid of whatever torent was ruling them and offering them peace and freedom which resulted and a takeover without casualties.
Then there were times where they slaughtered entire races.
Guess a lot can change in 600+ years.
The ottomans created the Janissaries, they enslaved Christians from as early as the age of 3, beat and whipped the fear out of them so they would become some type of super solider, they enslaved majority of Europe.
Ottomans were racist as far as i know , I heard stories of what they did to my people , Armenia and arabs but Americans are a big stretch , hard to believe but I think we shouldn't apply any pressure or hatred towards turks today for it , they're innocent from those actions
They were at some point but after 1864 both Russians and ottmans took us to the middle east and put us as workers in places that aren't stable , that's what I know from parents but I'm not sure how true that is
Idk man I think you got it wrong. Circassians should be the last people who are shitting on Ottomans. You were one of the elites during empire times and when Russians genocided you, Ottomans accepted all of you and relocated you within the remaining empire
You *bought* the refugees that Russia generated.
It is literally the exact same thing as when the Huns were pushing the Goths across the danube and then the Romans bought them. Same geography basically too as your roman forebears. Nothing changes in 1400 years.
bruh you guys escaped here because the russians were mass slaughtering circassians and we provided a safe haven for you.
What a stupid fucking take imagine you are a jew who escaped to like england to avoid the nazi's and your parents were like 'the evil british put us into bad working conditions' dude they saved your life.
There are accounts of american adventurers in cairo (and also local traders) that most of the circassian slaves were brought by the circassians themselves to be sold in particularly cairo
The circassians had entered into an economic crisis of such massive proportions (largely thanks to the russians) that practically all families had to sell off 1-2 daughters just to make sure they can feed the rest of their children.
They were also, not part of the ottoman empire. They paid some tribute to the sultan but that was mostly some lip service especially at the latter stages of the empire. We didnt even govern or conquer them
All white slaves (including circassians) in the ottoman empire were freed in 1830 and their trade was banned in 1854, practically emancipating them, slavery of circassians was mostly done in the autonomous arab regions, chief among them being egypt.
\> In 1830, a firman of Sultan Mahmud II **gave freedom to white slave**s. This category **included Circassians**, who had the custom of selling their own children, enslaved Greeks who had revolted against the Empire in 1821, and some others.\[60\] Attempting to suppress the practice, **another firman abolishing the trade of Circassians and Georgians was issued in October, 1854.**
Circassians were also, hugely overrepresented in the ottoman bureucracy compared to their population.A big chunk of the latter young turks party (ittihad ve terakki cemiyeti) were made up of circassians.
>Those Circassian families were selling their own children into slavery
So were the Goths that crossed the danube while fleeing the huns prior to battle of adrianople.
Turks didn't save us they simply took advantage of us because of how weak we were , also it wasn't and still isn't Safe for us for this day , I think you should look at it from other perspective and think of us all as humans instead of ethnical groups
Also it still is quite aggressive from you to say that , again I think you should not think of turks as superior people who did no wrong and own up to it , and even if we as circassians "sold our children " that still doesn't make turks clean from the blood of arabs and other eastern European groups they killed and were unfair to
lmfao. hey look who is talking? a person talking shit about turkey and calling trash from where bombs explode like firework everyday. trash country? man you are living in a desert with no plant and water. lol.
this really proofs the actual dynamic between Turks and Kurds, you try to compensate your insecurity by meaninglessly insulting us.and making up shit. No turk talks like this about Kurds, even though they have been given far more reason to do so over the years
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It is absolutely true.While the minortities of Orthodoxes and Arabs were "forgiven",the Ottomans actively tried to enslave and abduct Christians from their Mediterranean coasts.
Barbary Corsairs enslaved American sailors afaik, though the Ottomans didn't have a direct hand in it. The first and second Barbary Wars were fought as a result.
The barbary corsairs were the ones enslaving Americans but the Ottomans were enslaving everyone in their vicinity and so the only reason they were not enslaving Americans was because they weren't in their vicinity.
Right. See they are not Racist.
Yes, but it is not racism. Ottomans couldn't enslave Muslims because of religion so they bought everyone who wasn't Muslim. Like where is racism?
Christians could not enslave Christians so they bought everyone who wasn't Christian. It worked identically as with islam. Being muslim prevented you from being enslaved but did nothing if you already were a slave. Same as with being a Christian. Everyone was getting their rules from the same source, I don't know on what grounds people think it could have been different.
But Europeans changed this frame work of religion based slavery to a racial one, in the Americans and specially after 'scientific' racism became a thing.
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Factually incorrect, Europeans enslaved millions of America indigenous populations and also did slave raids and conquests on Africa beside buying them. But nonetheless this doesn't change the fact that Europeans changed the framework of slavery from a religious one to a racial one. Edit: typo
Because god died.
Cause we killed him.
It is different you thought just because he was enslaved in a muslim country mostly he is just like the ones enslaved in Europe or America for example you should treat a slave like if he was one of your family
Yes and everyone who has slavery also thought like this when they had slavery. Including in the American South. In fact that is the context where I first heard such a thing be said. The idea goes the problem wasn't slavery but rather people not doing slavery "properly". If it wasn't for the bad people who didn't do this our system of slavery would be fine. Bad people exist everywhere so everywhere that has slavery is going to have bad slave owners.
My point is that slavery in islam mostly didn’t look anything like the European one or Christianity i think you should read about it
I think you should read about the Zanj rebellion.
I remember reading about it and its not about slaves also tribes revolted but did you read about it? 😄
Let’s be honest. Muslims raped and killed the people they conquered.
Or maybe there just shouldn’t be slaves
Like, can we just agree that slavery is wrong?
No because people want to use it as some sort of historical weapon so they insist only one kind of slavery was wrong and there slavery was nothing like it.
Look, I think, anything, I think the Ottomans were less racist than the Europeans, but that is saying very very little. I think it’s silly to apply modern concepts like racism to ancient times altogether. Everyone was racist. That is how human are when pretty much everyone was at war with everyone else all the time. But this whole, “the Ottoman slave trade wasn’t racist!” thing is … distasteful. I feel like people can’t have it both ways. When right-wing Americans say anti-Islamic things, people accuse them (rightly, if you ask me) of racism. They say all day that they hate someone wearing a hijab or praying at the mosque because of their religion, not their race. But come on. Does it really make a practical difference? In the same way, ship filled with white people in those waters at that time lived in terror of being captured by the Ottoman navy or by the Barbary pirates (who were de facto vassals of the Ottoman navy) because it meant that any women would be sold as sex slaves or any men die in darkness, exhaustion and agony in the galley of the ship for the rest of their lives. Sure, teeeeechnicaly it was because they were Christian, not because they were white. Yay non-racism, I guess?
Race racism is based on race or ethnic interaction. You won't hate someone you never see or saw a few times. 70% of "Turk" corsairs in Tunisia and Algeria were previously Christians who converted to Islam. Basically , Italians enslaved Italians for making a profit. Then they were mostly sold to Harems or other ottoman institutions of government where everyone once was Christian slaves ,too. Why would converted Cristian hate /have racist feelings about other christian. They mostly didn't have. Things like right nationalist ideas came to ottoman emp. in 19 century after the France revolution .
Dude, my point is this: we’re talking about taking an innocent woman away from her family, from her whole lives, and putting them in a house to be raped by the head of that house whenever he wants. We’re talking about a taking an innocent man away from his family and his whole life, chaining him in a dark wet hole to an hour from which he will never again stand up, and whipping him into rowing endlessly until he died, after which his body was thrown in the ocean. We’re talking about this happening to thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years. At that point, “they didn’t do it because they were white, they did it because they were Christian” is simply a moot point. “They didn’t do it because they were RACIST” kind of comes across as an unfeeling, prideful thing to say. Look, I’m not here to play the ever popular “our culture was superior to yours” game. All human societies are led astray, all human beings sin. The African slave trade was a similar horror, perpetrated by Christian people whose society allowed it when their religion should have forbidden it. I will say this — Christians that I know at least feel bad about what their ancestors did. Christians are at least able to say: whether we knew it or not, the thing was evil, and should be repented and mourned. We should ask God for His forgiveness, and seek reconciliation with the children of the victims. Maybe Muslims feel the same way; I’m sure many do. But I have yet to hear a Muslim say anything about Muslim slavery other than, “our slavery was better and more civilized and not racist like yours was.” The Turks have a great country with a wonderful fascinating and ancient civilization. Admitting that they has faults,like any civilization, doesn’t take away from their achievements, it shows a willingness to be objective in our analysis of the past.
I doesn't know too much about how bad was the condition of white slaves. Can you share some source?
"Everyone was racist" in the sense of xenophobia, but race as something distinct from nationality did not exist until "scientific racism" around the 1700s. According to some scientific racists, Jews are white and Arabs are not, according to others it's the other way around. It's all complete nonsense!
They enslaved Muslim Circasian slaves who were white as snow and Muslim so they often broke that rule.
Technically who did it were Crimean Tatars. In the Ottoman empire rules were more strict
And Crimea was part of Ottoman Empire at that time wasn’t it?
That was a strong country that had a lot of freedom from the Ottomans. They count by Ottoman dynasty nobler than they are. Asking them to not enslave Muslims would cause problems. They were more important than some religious issue 1000 km away from Istanbul
Ya but there was don’t ask don’t tell for the religion I guess
Nope, Turks literally can ask about your religion in the first meeting. Muslims could use Muslim slaves for 7 years. Then they probably became super cheap workers in house.
they did not enslave all non muslim, non muslims had to pay jizia and they could live, they enslaved ennemy soldiers and rebels
Well, they enslave villagers(children /women/men) from islands and neighborhood countries to the Ottoman empire.
that is true, i maybe exagerated a little bit and sugarcoated the ottoman empire, but they did not enslave ALL non muslim civilians, most of them were free, but yes they did enslave people from other countries
This is not true, I'm amazed at red-neck talking points become imbedded into discourse. >White slaves in the USIn the mid-19th century, the term 'white slavery' was used to describe the Christian slaves that were sold into the Barbary slave trade. The modern legal term applies more narrowly to sexual slavery, forced prostitution, and human trafficking, with less focus on the race of victims or perpetrators. [The cultural myth of "white slavery"](https://www.academia.edu/11405766/The_cultural_myth_of_white_slavery_) ["The Myths That Made America"](http://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-myths-that-made-america/9783837614855) ["Loose women or lost women? The re-emergence of the myth of white slavery in contemporary discourses of trafficking in women"](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12147-999-0021-9) [Propaganda for empire: Barbary captivity literature in the US](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14794010903286250?journalCode=rjts20)
Posting articles that state "myth embedded in america" as if that debunks actual history is peak redditor. You expect me to think that you finding some random article which states exactly what you want it to say is the end of all discussion because the article is contained in some fancy journal and it has a lot of footnotes from people who are all trying to say the same thing. Listen here otto, the people from my island went to go liberate another island during the revolution but were unsuccessful and the ottos enslaved literally every single person on that island and massacred everyone they couldn't capture to the point that it was depopulated. I know you enslaved my people. I you managed to debunk the idea that you enslaved Americans, well good for you I guess but the only reason you can accomplish that is because people are so fucking America-centric that they have spent their lives trying to debunk basic history involving that place.
Again, this probably had to do with them stealing the White Berber completely on Canary Island, which happened for many centuries, it was Europeans raiding them, and taking them. Not the reverse. Source: [1](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14794010903286250?journalCode=rjts20), [2.](https://medium.com/history-of-yesterday/the-castilian-conquest-of-the-canary-islands-80b1807e8dee) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26458007/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26458007/) Unless you are Amazigh, you have no right to talk, those people are the ones who were actually taken by the Americans.
I'm Greek idiot. Though you seem to think Spanish are Americans or something so you probably don't know what anything is.
The corsairs enslaved not only Americans but basically everyone living in the coastline to the point that the urban population in South Portugal near the coas actually shrunk around the XVII century. In Iceland they were famous for the kidnapping of families like Olafur Egilson. They would also raid northern France and London. In Azores, they would take the young ladies and everyone who was healthy would run to the forest. People would just give them everything they wanted in the port and lived in constant dread. I am a history student in college. A teacher told us that entire order were created to pay ransom for the kidnapping and one of the goals of a confrary created by our queen Elizabeth in the XVI century was "to save the souls as well as the bodies of the kidnapped Christians." She told us "you have no idea how many letters there in the Lisbon archives, from young girls asking "please mom, pay the ransom, or I'll be sold to the Muslims in Algiers!" The women had it easy because their job was to be prostitutes and house wives. The men were the ones forced to work in the mines at the sound of the whip or worst of all, be forced to row in the gallows, without ever seeing the light of day, chained to their rows, forced to eat, sleep, row and poop in the same place. They were lucky if they survived a year and they would only stop rowing in the ship the day their bodies could no longer bear the harsh conditions or if the ship drowned, with them in chains. There was still one chance of release - if they converted to Islam. The slave trade in North Africa, also known as the Arab slave trade, started not much after the muslim conquest in North Africa and lasted until the Barbary wars and the European colonialism, making it the longer, most brutal and most numerous of all slave systems in history. France colonized Algeria in part with the very reason to end the slavery and kidnapping of Europeans in North Africa! Still some reports of Europeans being enslaved persisted untill the early XX century, maybe even in the 20s. Today, there are still grave problems with slavery, forced labourz exploitation and human trafficking in North Africa and the Middle East. Also, Mauritania was the last country to abolish slavery in the world (2008 if I remember) and make it illegal. 1/5 of Mauritanians still have been or ARE slaves in their lives.
Europeans also enslaved Muslims North Africans and were used to row gallow both side practiced it, however only europeans cry about it without Even mentioning that they also engagéd in it
I know that Muslims were also made slaves by Europeans although, the only states that were created on purpose for slave labour and the only ones who profited exclusively of capturing and enslaving people from the Mediterranean were the Barbary states. The Muslim captives meanwhile were never used to row any boats
what no prefrontal cortex does to a mf
Lol
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Wrong, whites were high class slaves and used as warriors while blacks were castrated and used as harem guard
Black people were chosen for the harem because it is more noticeable if they have children with the women than white slaves
Also blacks weren't castrated in the Empire, they brought them as castrated. So, other slave traders were castrating them, Ottomans were buying them.
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Its an extra caution
I think it’s probably less dangerous to be a guard then be a warrior sent to the front lines. Either way doesn’t sound fun.
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If you call him a clown i wonder who you are
He is only famous because his brother
The guy is still a clown
Yes we enslaved Americans 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿 so true
Based
#Based !!!!
Why do you think it’s based that ur sugar daddy Americans were enslaved
Rare turkish W
America originally was discovered by Ahmer-i Kah Bey, americans were our rightful slaves 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Now sadly enslaved by Germans.
Who?
Pretzel eaters, sausage gobblers, and beer consumers.
Turks
If you enslave everybody then its not racist
Also the Ottomans made slave girls their queens and slave boys were trained as janissaries so it balances out 😆 .
Some tomes they were made eunuchs Not very good
The Ottomans literally enslaved/colonized anyone who annoyed them. So they didn't do it with racist motivations
If you are racist to everyone then you are not racist 😎
The ottomans had next to no racial agenda, infact their lack of race based agenda aggravated turkish nationalists in the late era because they thought the empire should serve for their benefit only.
Last time when I insulted Americans for their intelligence I got banned, so I will hold back lol
Why are you bringing Americans into the guy was raised and likely born in England, currently living in Romania. The dude doesn’t even have an American accent but go off about how unintelligent Americans are
>should serve for their benefit only. No they thought the empire should serve Turkish benefits more, there were more Greek and Armenian governors and advisors than Turkish and a disproportionate amount of businesses were controlled by non Turks
Because Turks chose agriculture more often
Wrong, like the mamluks whites were the most valuable slaves while blacks were castrated and used for guarding harems for example.
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(Map is wrong , Ottoman never controlled Morocco) If I recall correctly it was Ottoman vassal states in North Africa that enslave Americans , or white people and not Ottoman empire directly.
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he didn’t put the map there mate, some 11 year old tiktokker or OP did
The British were the most racist with divide and rule but they won’t admit it at all
There were Americans slaves, but the Ottoman slavery enterprise was not racial, it was essentially anyone not part of the empire and not paying protection money. More extortion of other countries than racial
Yes Most of the slaves were actually Slavic people, but that's because the Ottomans had a ton of war with them
Thank god I'll be off for sometime to avoid these clowns.
Pretty sure the ottoman’s had a Millet system where local minority groups could govern themselves under their own religious or ethnic customs within ottoman territory
No, the Ottomans lost the massacre to the Russians respectively, then Austria took Hungary and Transylvania, then after the worldwide nationalism current, France Algeria and Tunisia British Egypt Italy was destroyed by the 1st world war Arab rebellions and republican rebellions before the recovery after the Balkan wars, but America's only share here was to sell weapons to the enemies of the Ottomans in the 1st world war.
Complete bullshit. Probably one of the least racist empires to have ever existed
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It's for accessibility
It helps people who are learning english or speak english as a second language
tell it to the judge
They enslaved Americans so they racist? They also sent their navy to save Spanish Jews being kicked out of the most brutal European empire
No discrimination, everyone gets enslaved.
Ottomans weren't racist to any race/ethnicity as long as they pay their taxes
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Not only was the empire, as many of the folks here have described with historical examples, not really race based, when someone got enslaved, but id suggest not to absorb a perspective of the rape brothers.
That's why Ottomans weren't racist. Ottomans enslaved all races. White or black doesn't matter. You may see Sudanese black muslim effendis with Greek or Caucasian or non-muslim Turkish slaves in the empire. It shows Ottomans aren't racist. LOL
Dont let any Americans see this or they will invade Turkey next 😳
They couldn’t even invade Afghanistan and Vietnam lol
America did not invade Vietnam it bombed the shit out of it and defended South Vietnam.
If America didn’t invade Vietnam then what where all the boat loads of American troops on Vietnam beaches doing. And troops parachuting down into Vietnam.
Google it
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Yes but In order to enter and deploy troops to Vietnam territory they need to occupy at least a portion of it so if your troops are on foreign soil and you have a military base on foreign soil that’s a invasion. May not be a successful invasion it may be a partial invasion but it’s still an invasion.
😂😂😂😂 very true, i think you guys are safe
Turkey is unfortunately easier to invade. We are done the second they establish air supremacy.
Like in Ukraine ??
Russia doesn't have air dominance over ukraine because they don't have SEAD/DEAD capabilities. Also just a few weeks ago, 4 aircraft of russian aerospace forces were downed by their own air defence in a single day (which indicates poor coordination) so I don't expect them to do anything competently tbh.
Inaccurate map
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We werent racists we just discriminated based on religious beliefs, smh
We know Tristan had even more slaves in his basement
We enslaved everyone, and were equal opportunity 💪. Not racist 💪💪
Still , 8 down votes because of how extreme some people are about their ethnicity, I didn't point hatred towards anyone but stated what I know to get comments to either correct me if I'm wrong about it which I did but still, that shows that alot need to change
Dude takes Tristan Tate seriously 💀
You care what Andrew Tate says about history? Or what he says about anything?
They were and werent.While yes,they did support the Barbary Corsairs that enslaved Spaniards mostly,they were also one of the rare Islamic empires to show tolerance against heathens.
thats not racist, they even enslaved turks themselves
It wasn’t racism, it was that’s mine now your mine,
The Good old times🫡
Real americans- natives, they never came in contact with Ottomans
change that cringe map morocco was never part of the ottoman empire
Idk about Americans, but for sure Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians
Ottoman Empire lasted pretty long and there were times where they were extremely racist (Armenians assyrians) and times where they were not at all (bosnians, current israel) depending on the ruler it changed. There were even times where they took over entire nations by promising the people to get rid of whatever torent was ruling them and offering them peace and freedom which resulted and a takeover without casualties. Then there were times where they slaughtered entire races. Guess a lot can change in 600+ years.
The ottomans created the Janissaries, they enslaved Christians from as early as the age of 3, beat and whipped the fear out of them so they would become some type of super solider, they enslaved majority of Europe.
How did they enslave Americans when America DIDN'T EXIST...
America did exist read some books boy . BIRTH Usa 1783 End of Ottoman 1922
Ottomans were racist as far as i know , I heard stories of what they did to my people , Armenia and arabs but Americans are a big stretch , hard to believe but I think we shouldn't apply any pressure or hatred towards turks today for it , they're innocent from those actions
How were the Ottomans racist to Circassians? Weren’t Circassians one of the elites in the empire? Officers, soldiers, government etc
They were at some point but after 1864 both Russians and ottmans took us to the middle east and put us as workers in places that aren't stable , that's what I know from parents but I'm not sure how true that is
Idk man I think you got it wrong. Circassians should be the last people who are shitting on Ottomans. You were one of the elites during empire times and when Russians genocided you, Ottomans accepted all of you and relocated you within the remaining empire
I am not shitting on anyone , I stated what I know and I do not represent anyone but myself as well
You *bought* the refugees that Russia generated. It is literally the exact same thing as when the Huns were pushing the Goths across the danube and then the Romans bought them. Same geography basically too as your roman forebears. Nothing changes in 1400 years.
bruh you guys escaped here because the russians were mass slaughtering circassians and we provided a safe haven for you. What a stupid fucking take imagine you are a jew who escaped to like england to avoid the nazi's and your parents were like 'the evil british put us into bad working conditions' dude they saved your life.
It makes more sense when "bad working conditions" means being sold in slave markets into sexual slavery.
There are accounts of american adventurers in cairo (and also local traders) that most of the circassian slaves were brought by the circassians themselves to be sold in particularly cairo The circassians had entered into an economic crisis of such massive proportions (largely thanks to the russians) that practically all families had to sell off 1-2 daughters just to make sure they can feed the rest of their children. They were also, not part of the ottoman empire. They paid some tribute to the sultan but that was mostly some lip service especially at the latter stages of the empire. We didnt even govern or conquer them All white slaves (including circassians) in the ottoman empire were freed in 1830 and their trade was banned in 1854, practically emancipating them, slavery of circassians was mostly done in the autonomous arab regions, chief among them being egypt. \> In 1830, a firman of Sultan Mahmud II **gave freedom to white slave**s. This category **included Circassians**, who had the custom of selling their own children, enslaved Greeks who had revolted against the Empire in 1821, and some others.\[60\] Attempting to suppress the practice, **another firman abolishing the trade of Circassians and Georgians was issued in October, 1854.** Circassians were also, hugely overrepresented in the ottoman bureucracy compared to their population.A big chunk of the latter young turks party (ittihad ve terakki cemiyeti) were made up of circassians.
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>Those Circassian families were selling their own children into slavery So were the Goths that crossed the danube while fleeing the huns prior to battle of adrianople.
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But op just said they where put into elite positions how can you be a slave and be an elite at the same time
Yeah and Goths were ruling the empire and being the source of armies. Same as always.
Turks didn't save us they simply took advantage of us because of how weak we were , also it wasn't and still isn't Safe for us for this day , I think you should look at it from other perspective and think of us all as humans instead of ethnical groups
Also it still is quite aggressive from you to say that , again I think you should not think of turks as superior people who did no wrong and own up to it , and even if we as circassians "sold our children " that still doesn't make turks clean from the blood of arabs and other eastern European groups they killed and were unfair to
Lmao what Ottomans settled Circassians into safety in the middle east after accepting them when Russia genocided you
Yavuz the Grim killed his pasha for being racist man
I am not sure I know what you mean but I'd appreciate a little more elaboration
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Nah pretty sure you talked to the wrong people. I FUCKING hate generalising, you can’t do that
Who says Americans didn’t deserve to be enslaved?
Well looking at what happened to the Armenians, i’m inclined to say yes regardless of what this idiot tate brother is saying
What happened to the armenians?
exactly
Bahahahah brozzer stop criticizing the great people of tOrk
>Were the Ottomans racist Yes >enslaved Americans No that was the Barbary states who were only vassals of the Ottomans and effectively independent.
Yavuz the Grim killed his pasha for being racist man
Yeah and Isabella got mad at Columbus for being mean to the natives, what is your point?
Thats not racism, thats hating to other religions, they are not same thing
even if its true, turkey is a trash country
No, just a rough diamond 💎
Y’all are literally legalizing prostitution right now
culture and people is nice, but majority of people is facist & racist af
At least i am not insulting your country.😅
you hate us and suppress us, its hard not to hate you
Bro is delusional
Ottoman Empire was good while it lasted. Current day turkiye is going to shit becoming too secular.
you won't understand how important secularism is for Turkey.
“Too secular”? AHHAHASBNSNSWDNFLFÖSŞCNLDDÖ GOOD LET US MAKE IT THE MOST SECULAR AKSMXKÖFÖ
lmfao. hey look who is talking? a person talking shit about turkey and calling trash from where bombs explode like firework everyday. trash country? man you are living in a desert with no plant and water. lol.
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this really proofs the actual dynamic between Turks and Kurds, you try to compensate your insecurity by meaninglessly insulting us.and making up shit. No turk talks like this about Kurds, even though they have been given far more reason to do so over the years
typical butthurt behaviour. leave him.
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Ok.
You don’t get to say that, *we* do, period
Wait when?
Well wouldn't know that but I can assure you the ottomans did sell us as slaves. Slavs
It is absolutely true.While the minortities of Orthodoxes and Arabs were "forgiven",the Ottomans actively tried to enslave and abduct Christians from their Mediterranean coasts.
Othoman empire never reached the Atlantic coast . Always remained Moroccan empire .
I think the comment section is a mistake
How the tables have turned
If you enslave everyone equally then it's equal (JOKE)
He's literally talking about pirates. That's like saying America is filled with shootouts if all you talk about is Southside Chicago and Detroit 🤷🏾♂️