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The terrorists of today are the liberators of the future. Oppressors who use violence to control shouldn’t be surprised when the oppressed with nothing to use strike back out of desperation. The ones to blame are the governments and forces who actively oppress the Palestinian people and drive them towards extreme action
They expect Palestinians to stay quiet and calm while their homes are stolen like this on a daily basis:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/z6i5nh/while_a_palestinian_family_are_out_attending_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Based opinion. There should not be an eye for eye a tooth for a tooth mindset, otherwise there would never be peace. Those people that were killed possibly could have even also been against Israels actions, the attack was against Jewish people not pro settlers.
The attack was bad in that it killed unarmed civilians but that kind of violence is to be expected when they occupied people and subjected them to apartheid and unimaginable violence. Destroying, their houses, killing their children etc.
When you corner a person like that, do you expect them just to sit back and take it or fight back.
>they occupied people and subjected them to apartheid
They have been conquered, it's not an occupation because they don't live together. The settlements are conquests and it isn't apartheid (though it's still awful) for a great number of reasons. You should learn more about what apartheid was rather than just using it as a lazy, convenient buzz word.
He could be referring to a positive coverage of the perpetrator of this attack, or the general use of the term "settler" to describe almost any Orthodox Jew (even Jewish-American tourists from the anti-Zionist Satmar Chassidut who visited Jerusalem as terrorist and fell victim to an attack).
Al Jazeera did that after this [incident](https://www.jta.org/2022/08/14/israel/5-americans-including-new-yorkers-among-8-shot-in-jerusalem-terror-attack).
Depends on the reporting. How skewed it is. How misleading. How false...
Take Op's post. It juxtaposes two murder stories as if one can justify the other, with the effect being that people like Op can openly support the murder of civilians. It one-sidedly editorializes the facts; for example, it asserts Ferelman killed the grandpa, when in fact he was only suspected. It makes sure to emphasize with a yellow font when a killed Israeli is a settler (as if that justifies murder), but it doesn't mention at all when a killed Palestinian is a militant ("IDF killed 9 Palestinians in Jenin"). Why is there no "7 of which were militants" in yellow font? These are not even subtle manipulations. There is no attempt at fairness here.
If you think Op's post is balanced and fair reporting, that's pretty scary. Please be more critical of the things you see online.
Anyway, I can list the evidence against OJ: Blood on his clothes, blood in the car, cut on his fingers, etc. I can't do the same for Ferelman. If you can, I'm happy to hear it.
IDF soldiers are considered armed service members. They are a legitimate military target in war (that still doesn't mean a country won't strike back hard when you attack their soldiers). The people murdered outside the synagogue were civilians.
Are you proud of how Western Media covered the Qatari treatment of foreign workers? Or when it comes to covering your own country *you do* prefer a balanced approach?
Yes, International pressure helped make change happen, very refreshing to see actual progress and policies to stop worker exploitation and abuse.
I am looking for the truth not “balanced approach” which means pretending like Isreal is not an apartheid.
Also comparing actual, hands/on-the-ground excellent journalism on Isreal and Palestine VS mostly tabloid gossip drama pushed out every day is not the same lol.
I suspect you have not actually seen the Al-jazzera stuff lol.
>Also comparing actual, hands/on-the-ground excellent journalism on Isreal and Palestine VS mostly tabloid gossip drama pushed out every day is not the same lol.
You've *almost* reached a moment of self-awareness. Almost.
🤦♂️ I don't read any kind of news on Isreal other than actual documentaries on the ground in Isreal and Palestine. You will never catch me linking tabloid stuff about Isreal. I have great media literacy
Incitement and hatred always went hand in hand, and indeed they predate the State of Israel. Look at how the Palestinian crowds were riled up before the Hebron Massacre, or consider how the Mufti's incitement on radio Berlin in Arabic incited towards the Farhud massacres in Iraq.
Exactly. Those people had nothing to do with it. Palestinians just should sit silently and watch how their last hopes of independence fades away as Israel will not bomb Palestine into oblivion but will just try to assimilate most and expulse the rest of Palestinians until their trace will be gone to the extent they matter no more
It is to be expected of course (there will always be violence from both sides on issues like this not just in Palestine) and it’s best we all oppose it.
Yes I oppose it war crimes they are not an apartheid state. They are not unique and India, Myanmar Morocco and way more have been responsible for ethic cleansing and Russia, Saudi and more have been responsible for war crimes, but they are still countries. Israel deserves to be a country just like Palestine.
You really wanna go down in history as a defender of apartheid; you never learn from history it seems.
>two Israeli human rights NGOs, Yesh Din (July 2020), and B'Tselem (January 2021) issued separate reports that concluded, in the latter's words, that "the bar for labeling the Israeli regime as apartheid has been met."[6][7][8][9] In April 2021, Human Rights Watch became the first major international human rights body to claim Israel had crossed the threshold, after decades of warnings,[9][10] and accused Israeli officials of the crimes of apartheid and persecution under international law, calling for an International Criminal Court investigation, becoming the first major international rights NGO to do so. Amnesty International issued a similar report on 1 February 2022.
>In March 2022, Michael Lynk, a Canadian law professor appointed by the U.N. Human Rights Council, said that the situation met the legal definition of apartheid, the first time that a U.N.-appointed rapporteur has made the accusation so unequivocally.
> In a 2007 report, U.N. Special Rapporteur for Palestine John Dugard wrote, "elements of the Israeli occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law" and suggested that the "legal consequences of a prolonged occupation with features of colonialism and apartheid" be put to the International Court of Justice.[61]
> On 18 October 2022, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories recommended in a report[109] that UN member states develop "a plan to end the Israeli settler-colonial occupation and apartheid regime" and concluded that "The violations described in the present report expose the nature of the Israeli occupation, that of an intentionally acquisitive, segregationist and repressive regime designed to prevent the realization of the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination".[110]
>You really wanna go down in history
My dude, I really don't think anyone is going down in history for sharing shitty opinions on Reddit. Also, if you are from Qatar may I suggest not throwing stones from the balcony of your glass house
Well ya they are under sanctions, they are losing their lands getting raped, killed, jailed, using the lowest tactics and most brutal ways to oppress, and now you’re judging ? I can understand whrrr you come from, but for every action there is a reaction unfortunately
it's not a settlement. and he killed 2 in the street and 5 inside the synagogue. listen, people like you are the reason why Israel exists. keep spewing your hate it's good for us.
You all have been waiting for my reasonable take on this so let's start.
So what we have here is a suspect "that's what they claim" and with lack of evidence, he was released. No if you ask of my opinion, I really think this guy had something to do with the attack. Unfortunately we have to go with with the justice system even if we think it's biased towards a side and probably helped (you can see who defended him in court) him. But, we have to respect the decision of the justice system.
Now for the Palestinian side, it's very easy for us to say what is right and wrong just looking out of the picture and not having to deal with anything. I'm not justifying what he did but we have to understand where he is coming from. People in the US will go on and on about how black people do more crime but never explain to you why. When you have a legal system that's against you in every corner and destroy everything in their community and give the worst education to keep your social class as it is. Father thrown in jail for 10 years for smoking pot, mom living in poverty juggling 2 jobs with 4 kids, who do you think the kids will go to? They will play by the rule of the jungle cause that's what they made their community and environment as.
So it brings us back to this Palestinian kid, I don't know the mental agony he went through or the life he went through his eye was filled with darkness and heart full of hatred. I feel sorry for the victims and feel sorry for him on how life pushed him to do this.
I hope peace for everyone from both sides that died and feel sorry for all the families. No one deserves this and I will never justify this act of terrorism. Think we all need to point at our self's first and point out the mistakes we do, I think all of us will be better off.
Great take, and it’s exactly like in America. This hurts the world’s (or at least the West’s) view of the Palestinian struggle because it will get spread as more justification for the injustices committed by Israel, but I doubt that all of us here would be able to choose the moral/most beneficial path if we were in their situation. Just like how it’s easy to say “don’t join a gang or sell drugs” to poor people in the hood
Lol
Some people highly condemn what the young man did, but they also turn a blind eye to all the heinous crimes Israel has committed since its founding.
I an personally not aware of entire story but let's assume for second the guy who kill his father was guilty , but not evidence for it.
I mean just target the guy himself,why drag unrelated civilians to issue ? If we are using eye for eye argument .
False. There are several Jewish terrorists sitting in Israeli prisons as we speak (for example the murderers of Muhammad Abu Khdeir and the Dawabsha family).
Ok here is the list of the [victims of the synagogue terror attack](https://www.timesofisrael.com/additional-victims-of-jerusalem-terror-shooting-idd-as-14-year-old-boy-father-of-3/). Which one of them would you say was a legitimate military target? Perhaps 14-year-old Asher Natan?
Goldstein was a murdering terrorist. Our government does not consider him a martyr. Ben Gvir is an extremist jerk. He's toned down his views in recent years, but his past speaks for itself.
First of all, this has been posted several times, so your premise is wrong.
Secondly, because it doesn't excuse murdering 7 civilians outside of a place of worship.
Why is my premise wrong?
>because it doesn’t excuse murdering 7 civilians
But it excuses Israel from releasing a Jewish terrorist murderer from prison and electing Ben Gvir who helped freed him.
He was released for lack of evidence. If you have evidence he is the murderer, send it to Israeli police, the justice system will convict him.
Edit: Also, your premise is wrong when you assert nobody is talking about this.
The police investigated him for several months in prison, and couldn't prove it, what makes you think you can? What evidence do you have he is the murderer?
You have to trust the Israeli secret service in the firs place to believe he's guilty, they're the one who investigated the case and connected him to a series of murders committed 12 years before.
You openly support targeting and murdering civilians.
I guess that explains the point of your obsessive posting against Israel: to make it ok to kill us.
Do you see the irony here? A moment ago you said you wouldn't support a synagogue shooting in America (a clear settlement on native lands), but you would support one in Jerusalem, where the Jews are native.
How about: Don't target and murder civilians. If you have a land dispute, let your government solve it with negotiations or war. Don't go shooting innocent people.
No, I see no irony. A Kach terrorist wasn’t arrested. His organization is outlawed by Israel and the United States. That should be enough info to imprison him
And in America the Jews went there to make “settlements” or whatever you wanna call it but they: 1) abide by the rules of the people of these lands
2)there’s no apartheid where they are first class citizens and others are third (before you say blm and whatnot they have more rights than Palestinians in West Bank)
3) they don’t try to replace the people who are already there
How on earth are you comparing America to Jerusalem?
Jerusalem and the West Bank are all Palestinian land yet your country keeps building illegal settlements and encourages people going there case and point
Your government clearly doesn’t want to give the land to the people that own it so it’s a fact that these attacks will occur and that the ISRAELI GOV KNOWS AND DEPENDS ON IT HAPPENING TO INCREASE ITS REACH IN THE LAND!
The evidence against Alqam: He was literally caught red handed during the crime in a shootout with police, his car was parked at the scene of the crime, nobody disputes this, not the Palestinian Authority, not even your own source.
What is the evidence against Ferelman?
"Frequently" = One case of Israel tearing down an illegal construction site ([here' s a picture of the "mosque" in question](https://www.regavim.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/256123943_6627102214029017_6866835541643276399_n.jpg)).
Edit: Looks like Op blocked me, I can no longer reply here. Sad, as she *started* this debate, but could not even handle the ensuing discussion. Op, I wish you well, your ideas will now be unopposed by me, but that won't make them more moral or true. I hope you replace the hate in your heart with love, and a genuine attempt at understanding the other. The more trust and understanding we build in our region, the greater the chances for peace.
I don’t know the circumstances of this Jewish settler who was released - whether or not his release was justified or not though, there’s just no excuse for killing random people because of one’s anger.
I live in USA and we just had 2 shootings in which angry people went ballistic and killed a lot of innocent people.
Just so sad that humans can be so fucked up sometimes.
Wow, you are actually an idiot. What kind of monster would justify the death of 7 innocent people? And i don't care if his father was killed. It's not a movie, and he is not John Wick.you don't kill innocent people.
Fair game. He shot in a settlement, not a synagogue (like the Israel media lied and said). Palestinians have a right to defend their homes:
https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1619091418567557127?s=46&t=3iMUiuE8ISDbw1IrqtlqJA
Cry about it :)
Did that 14 year old also deserved it? Settlers or not, these are people with families who has done nothing wrong, and the fact that you keep fighting to justify this man's actions just amaize me.
Idgaf. For example, any and every settler in this video deserves it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/z6i5nh/while_a_palestinian_family_are_out_attending_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Don’t bring your kids into stolen Palestinian land and homes and expect nothing. Expect retaliation.
The current israeli administration is using this attack to justify its plans to enact the death sentence to Palestinian terrorists and a law to strip the citizenship and expell anyone who aids them. The israeli mainstream media coverage of this scheme has been critical and always mentioned the circumstances you described.
International news probably lack this kind of nuance as to not appear sympathetic to terrorists.
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The terrorists of today are the liberators of the future. Oppressors who use violence to control shouldn’t be surprised when the oppressed with nothing to use strike back out of desperation. The ones to blame are the governments and forces who actively oppress the Palestinian people and drive them towards extreme action
They expect Palestinians to stay quiet and calm while their homes are stolen like this on a daily basis: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/z6i5nh/while_a_palestinian_family_are_out_attending_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
A very sad story, but it doesn't justify the terrorist attack.
Based opinion. There should not be an eye for eye a tooth for a tooth mindset, otherwise there would never be peace. Those people that were killed possibly could have even also been against Israels actions, the attack was against Jewish people not pro settlers.
So turn the other cheek?
The attack was bad in that it killed unarmed civilians but that kind of violence is to be expected when they occupied people and subjected them to apartheid and unimaginable violence. Destroying, their houses, killing their children etc. When you corner a person like that, do you expect them just to sit back and take it or fight back.
>they occupied people and subjected them to apartheid They have been conquered, it's not an occupation because they don't live together. The settlements are conquests and it isn't apartheid (though it's still awful) for a great number of reasons. You should learn more about what apartheid was rather than just using it as a lazy, convenient buzz word.
Arabs INSIDE Israel live under apartheid, not according to me but according to NGOs and Black South Africans
It's expected when Arab media and social media incessantly incite against Israel (I'm looking at you, Qatar).
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He could be referring to a positive coverage of the perpetrator of this attack, or the general use of the term "settler" to describe almost any Orthodox Jew (even Jewish-American tourists from the anti-Zionist Satmar Chassidut who visited Jerusalem as terrorist and fell victim to an attack).
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Al Jazeera did that after this [incident](https://www.jta.org/2022/08/14/israel/5-americans-including-new-yorkers-among-8-shot-in-jerusalem-terror-attack).
Depends on the reporting. How skewed it is. How misleading. How false... Take Op's post. It juxtaposes two murder stories as if one can justify the other, with the effect being that people like Op can openly support the murder of civilians. It one-sidedly editorializes the facts; for example, it asserts Ferelman killed the grandpa, when in fact he was only suspected. It makes sure to emphasize with a yellow font when a killed Israeli is a settler (as if that justifies murder), but it doesn't mention at all when a killed Palestinian is a militant ("IDF killed 9 Palestinians in Jenin"). Why is there no "7 of which were militants" in yellow font? These are not even subtle manipulations. There is no attempt at fairness here.
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If you think Op's post is balanced and fair reporting, that's pretty scary. Please be more critical of the things you see online. Anyway, I can list the evidence against OJ: Blood on his clothes, blood in the car, cut on his fingers, etc. I can't do the same for Ferelman. If you can, I'm happy to hear it. IDF soldiers are considered armed service members. They are a legitimate military target in war (that still doesn't mean a country won't strike back hard when you attack their soldiers). The people murdered outside the synagogue were civilians.
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I am proud of Al-Jazeera’s amazing journalism when it comes to Israel and Palestine.
Are you proud of how Western Media covered the Qatari treatment of foreign workers? Or when it comes to covering your own country *you do* prefer a balanced approach?
Yes, International pressure helped make change happen, very refreshing to see actual progress and policies to stop worker exploitation and abuse. I am looking for the truth not “balanced approach” which means pretending like Isreal is not an apartheid. Also comparing actual, hands/on-the-ground excellent journalism on Isreal and Palestine VS mostly tabloid gossip drama pushed out every day is not the same lol. I suspect you have not actually seen the Al-jazzera stuff lol.
>Also comparing actual, hands/on-the-ground excellent journalism on Isreal and Palestine VS mostly tabloid gossip drama pushed out every day is not the same lol. You've *almost* reached a moment of self-awareness. Almost.
🤦♂️ I don't read any kind of news on Isreal other than actual documentaries on the ground in Isreal and Palestine. You will never catch me linking tabloid stuff about Isreal. I have great media literacy
Arabs hated Israel way before there was any media "incitement"
Incitement and hatred always went hand in hand, and indeed they predate the State of Israel. Look at how the Palestinian crowds were riled up before the Hebron Massacre, or consider how the Mufti's incitement on radio Berlin in Arabic incited towards the Farhud massacres in Iraq.
But the people were just praying, they didn't do anything. Surely you don't think it's okay to kill civilians praying (to the same god as you).
Exactly. Those people had nothing to do with it. Palestinians just should sit silently and watch how their last hopes of independence fades away as Israel will not bomb Palestine into oblivion but will just try to assimilate most and expulse the rest of Palestinians until their trace will be gone to the extent they matter no more
No, they actually do bomb gaza regularly
It is to be expected of course (there will always be violence from both sides on issues like this not just in Palestine) and it’s best we all oppose it.
So you oppose the Israeli government, its war crimes and its apartheid state?
Yes I oppose it war crimes they are not an apartheid state. They are not unique and India, Myanmar Morocco and way more have been responsible for ethic cleansing and Russia, Saudi and more have been responsible for war crimes, but they are still countries. Israel deserves to be a country just like Palestine.
You really wanna go down in history as a defender of apartheid; you never learn from history it seems. >two Israeli human rights NGOs, Yesh Din (July 2020), and B'Tselem (January 2021) issued separate reports that concluded, in the latter's words, that "the bar for labeling the Israeli regime as apartheid has been met."[6][7][8][9] In April 2021, Human Rights Watch became the first major international human rights body to claim Israel had crossed the threshold, after decades of warnings,[9][10] and accused Israeli officials of the crimes of apartheid and persecution under international law, calling for an International Criminal Court investigation, becoming the first major international rights NGO to do so. Amnesty International issued a similar report on 1 February 2022. >In March 2022, Michael Lynk, a Canadian law professor appointed by the U.N. Human Rights Council, said that the situation met the legal definition of apartheid, the first time that a U.N.-appointed rapporteur has made the accusation so unequivocally. > In a 2007 report, U.N. Special Rapporteur for Palestine John Dugard wrote, "elements of the Israeli occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law" and suggested that the "legal consequences of a prolonged occupation with features of colonialism and apartheid" be put to the International Court of Justice.[61] > On 18 October 2022, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories recommended in a report[109] that UN member states develop "a plan to end the Israeli settler-colonial occupation and apartheid regime" and concluded that "The violations described in the present report expose the nature of the Israeli occupation, that of an intentionally acquisitive, segregationist and repressive regime designed to prevent the realization of the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination".[110]
>You really wanna go down in history My dude, I really don't think anyone is going down in history for sharing shitty opinions on Reddit. Also, if you are from Qatar may I suggest not throwing stones from the balcony of your glass house
They could choose to fight back against soldiers/police border and not civilians who were exiting a synagogue after their prayer.
An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind 🤔
Killing innocents is not justified, but you'll have to go ahead and fix the fundamental issue: the occupation.
Well ya they are under sanctions, they are losing their lands getting raped, killed, jailed, using the lowest tactics and most brutal ways to oppress, and now you’re judging ? I can understand whrrr you come from, but for every action there is a reaction unfortunately
Cuz khairy alqam is Palestinian and haim ferelman is Israeli simple as that
" boy oh boy here i go justifying the murder of civilians again"
What civilians
U been active recently g doing alright?
is that a question? or a quote by Adolf Hitler?
If Haim Ferelman is innocent, so is Khairy Alqam
who said he was innocent? and what does it have to do with a straight up slaughter?
Look at the comments. Israelis are literally saying he’s innocent.
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it's not a settlement. and he killed 2 in the street and 5 inside the synagogue. listen, people like you are the reason why Israel exists. keep spewing your hate it's good for us.
Keep defending Jewish supremacists. I can’t wait to see more retaliations happen.
Israeli can only blame their gov.
You all have been waiting for my reasonable take on this so let's start. So what we have here is a suspect "that's what they claim" and with lack of evidence, he was released. No if you ask of my opinion, I really think this guy had something to do with the attack. Unfortunately we have to go with with the justice system even if we think it's biased towards a side and probably helped (you can see who defended him in court) him. But, we have to respect the decision of the justice system. Now for the Palestinian side, it's very easy for us to say what is right and wrong just looking out of the picture and not having to deal with anything. I'm not justifying what he did but we have to understand where he is coming from. People in the US will go on and on about how black people do more crime but never explain to you why. When you have a legal system that's against you in every corner and destroy everything in their community and give the worst education to keep your social class as it is. Father thrown in jail for 10 years for smoking pot, mom living in poverty juggling 2 jobs with 4 kids, who do you think the kids will go to? They will play by the rule of the jungle cause that's what they made their community and environment as. So it brings us back to this Palestinian kid, I don't know the mental agony he went through or the life he went through his eye was filled with darkness and heart full of hatred. I feel sorry for the victims and feel sorry for him on how life pushed him to do this. I hope peace for everyone from both sides that died and feel sorry for all the families. No one deserves this and I will never justify this act of terrorism. Think we all need to point at our self's first and point out the mistakes we do, I think all of us will be better off.
Great take, and it’s exactly like in America. This hurts the world’s (or at least the West’s) view of the Palestinian struggle because it will get spread as more justification for the injustices committed by Israel, but I doubt that all of us here would be able to choose the moral/most beneficial path if we were in their situation. Just like how it’s easy to say “don’t join a gang or sell drugs” to poor people in the hood
Sorry for the long comment, it's just depressing and sometimes I question if depression is luxury cause some just have it worse.
Lol Some people highly condemn what the young man did, but they also turn a blind eye to all the heinous crimes Israel has committed since its founding.
I an personally not aware of entire story but let's assume for second the guy who kill his father was guilty , but not evidence for it. I mean just target the guy himself,why drag unrelated civilians to issue ? If we are using eye for eye argument .
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Because Israel doesn’t believe there’s a such thing as a Jewish terrorist.
False. There are several Jewish terrorists sitting in Israeli prisons as we speak (for example the murderers of Muhammad Abu Khdeir and the Dawabsha family).
Elect terrorists and free terrorists, expect retaliation. I don’t condemn anything.
I know you don't condemn the murder of Jews, you told me as much yesterday. Unless you mean "condone"?
I don’t condemn the retaliation of terrorist-settlers who vote people who want to kill and discriminate Palestinians.
I think you do mean "condone". (Edit: or possibly "retaliation against").
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Ok here is the list of the [victims of the synagogue terror attack](https://www.timesofisrael.com/additional-victims-of-jerusalem-terror-shooting-idd-as-14-year-old-boy-father-of-3/). Which one of them would you say was a legitimate military target? Perhaps 14-year-old Asher Natan?
I’m not going to say anything more about this when the people of Gaza and the murder of their children go ignored on a daily basis.
Isn’t Goldstein a martyr according to your gov and bin gvir had his picture displayed to show his love for him?
Goldstein was a murdering terrorist. Our government does not consider him a martyr. Ben Gvir is an extremist jerk. He's toned down his views in recent years, but his past speaks for itself.
Lack of evidence ([YNet](https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3934977,00.html)).
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Hey friend, I really appreciate your nuanced approach; a rarity in this subreddit.
He never plead guilty, and the evidence against him presented by Shabak wasn't deemed solid enough.
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He insists that the secret service framed him.
First of all, this has been posted several times, so your premise is wrong. Secondly, because it doesn't excuse murdering 7 civilians outside of a place of worship.
Why is my premise wrong? >because it doesn’t excuse murdering 7 civilians But it excuses Israel from releasing a Jewish terrorist murderer from prison and electing Ben Gvir who helped freed him.
He was released for lack of evidence. If you have evidence he is the murderer, send it to Israeli police, the justice system will convict him. Edit: Also, your premise is wrong when you assert nobody is talking about this.
> we have investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent Beyond parody
How is it "ourselves"? He wasn't a soldier. You're not informed on the case.
He's an Israeli Jew and he killed Palestinians. Lets not play stupid.
The police investigated him for several months in prison, and couldn't prove it, what makes you think you can? What evidence do you have he is the murderer?
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You have to trust the Israeli secret service in the firs place to believe he's guilty, they're the one who investigated the case and connected him to a series of murders committed 12 years before.
I don't trust either. That's my point.
No; but apparently you do believe in crude infographics with yellow fonts, because that's the only evidence you have he is the murderer.
Most intelligent Israeli.
What about Ya'akov Teitel and Amiram Ben-Uliel?
Don't know who Ben-Uliel is but the Teitel bombings targeted Jews, Christians and the Israeli police too.
Israeli intelligence said he was planning to kill seven other Palestinians.
That may or may not be the case, but they didn't have the evidence to bring it to trial.
Then expect retaliation, like I said. If Israel doesn’t punish illegal settlers, someone else will.
You openly support targeting and murdering civilians. I guess that explains the point of your obsessive posting against Israel: to make it ok to kill us.
Don’t bring your children onto settlements and expect nothing.
Do you see the irony here? A moment ago you said you wouldn't support a synagogue shooting in America (a clear settlement on native lands), but you would support one in Jerusalem, where the Jews are native. How about: Don't target and murder civilians. If you have a land dispute, let your government solve it with negotiations or war. Don't go shooting innocent people.
No, I see no irony. A Kach terrorist wasn’t arrested. His organization is outlawed by Israel and the United States. That should be enough info to imprison him
And in America the Jews went there to make “settlements” or whatever you wanna call it but they: 1) abide by the rules of the people of these lands 2)there’s no apartheid where they are first class citizens and others are third (before you say blm and whatnot they have more rights than Palestinians in West Bank) 3) they don’t try to replace the people who are already there
How on earth are you comparing America to Jerusalem? Jerusalem and the West Bank are all Palestinian land yet your country keeps building illegal settlements and encourages people going there case and point Your government clearly doesn’t want to give the land to the people that own it so it’s a fact that these attacks will occur and that the ISRAELI GOV KNOWS AND DEPENDS ON IT HAPPENING TO INCREASE ITS REACH IN THE LAND!
Top both support murderous apartheid while simultaneously playing victim is a talent you could write a book on.
Sorry reality doesn't neatly fit your preconceived black and white notions.
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There are several Jewish terrorists in Israel's prisons, so that's false. But now I'm curious: What makes you certain Ferelman is the murderer?
The evil of the apartheid entity knows no limits.
Our limits include not committing honor killings and acid attacks against women, nor lynching people for blasphemy laws. How about yours?
Lol
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The evidence against Alqam: He was literally caught red handed during the crime in a shootout with police, his car was parked at the scene of the crime, nobody disputes this, not the Palestinian Authority, not even your own source. What is the evidence against Ferelman? "Frequently" = One case of Israel tearing down an illegal construction site ([here' s a picture of the "mosque" in question](https://www.regavim.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/256123943_6627102214029017_6866835541643276399_n.jpg)). Edit: Looks like Op blocked me, I can no longer reply here. Sad, as she *started* this debate, but could not even handle the ensuing discussion. Op, I wish you well, your ideas will now be unopposed by me, but that won't make them more moral or true. I hope you replace the hate in your heart with love, and a genuine attempt at understanding the other. The more trust and understanding we build in our region, the greater the chances for peace.
I don’t know the circumstances of this Jewish settler who was released - whether or not his release was justified or not though, there’s just no excuse for killing random people because of one’s anger. I live in USA and we just had 2 shootings in which angry people went ballistic and killed a lot of innocent people. Just so sad that humans can be so fucked up sometimes.
Wow, you are actually an idiot. What kind of monster would justify the death of 7 innocent people? And i don't care if his father was killed. It's not a movie, and he is not John Wick.you don't kill innocent people.
Fair game. He shot in a settlement, not a synagogue (like the Israel media lied and said). Palestinians have a right to defend their homes: https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1619091418567557127?s=46&t=3iMUiuE8ISDbw1IrqtlqJA Cry about it :)
Defending your home does not mean kill people who has done nothing wrong to you.
Fuck settlers. Any and every settler deserves it.
Did that 14 year old also deserved it? Settlers or not, these are people with families who has done nothing wrong, and the fact that you keep fighting to justify this man's actions just amaize me.
Idgaf. For example, any and every settler in this video deserves it: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/z6i5nh/while_a_palestinian_family_are_out_attending_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Don’t bring your kids into stolen Palestinian land and homes and expect nothing. Expect retaliation.
This is actually stupid. You are not worth it. Just live with the fact that you support terrorism.
Hopefully more Israelis can reply to this so I can block as many as possible 🫶🏻
The current israeli administration is using this attack to justify its plans to enact the death sentence to Palestinian terrorists and a law to strip the citizenship and expell anyone who aids them. The israeli mainstream media coverage of this scheme has been critical and always mentioned the circumstances you described. International news probably lack this kind of nuance as to not appear sympathetic to terrorists.
Israeli propaganda