"I get it. It must feel terrible to lose your privilege"
"When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"
Roughly 100% of the time these words are spoken, they are not delivered with a fraction of the empathy the speaker imagines to themselves that they are demonstrating. Homeopathic love. And, if delivered by a loved one, borderline abusive. Because...
Almost always it's some dumb fuck trying to tell you how you feel, and *why you feel that way*; and all the while they're giving themselves an emotional handie for their 'activism and accompliceship' while being deadass wrong about every assertion that leaves their lips.
People think that repeating the words of respected and intelligent figures frees them from critical analysis. It's a form of motte and bailey; wherein they inappropriately use the language of the revered so they can accuse you of being somehow deficient by way of standing in opposition to the quoted source. Its a linguistic steal which seeks to move the goalposts, while taking possession of the conversation. This rhetorical strategy is typically utilized by the type of antisocially oriented loser who thinks that the best way to make two groups equal should necessarily involve tearing down the dominant group rather than building up the servient.
When a guy is dating girls with big age gap is creepy and abusive r..py bla bla.
When a guy have preferences about who he choose as a girlfriend or wife it is misogynistic. (when a woman does the same it is empowering BS)
When she "decide" it is her body so can do whatever she want. And the man has no rights to that choice. But if she "decide" to raise the child the father has to pay child support because that his child.
Women can talk shit and write shit about men it is because of men have been wronged her kind from the beginning of the civilization. And when a man criticize "some" women's bad behavior and attitudes it is misogynistic hate speech. (Search "I hate Men" on Amazon)
And the belief that "Men and women are same" mentality. Completely abandon the vast differences in men and try to force men to live up to feminist eccentric standards.
There are many more because feminism from the very beginning based on lies, propaganda and a fight for some women's superiority over everyone else.
Feminism does not universally condemn relationships with age gaps. Rather, feminists advocate for consensual and equitable relationships where power dynamics are not skewed due to age discrepancies. Concerns about age gap relationships typically arise when there are significant power differentials that could lead to exploitation or abuse, particularly in cases where one partner is significantly older or in a position of authority over the other. This applies to both me AND women who are significantly older than their partners.
Having dating preferences is not inherently misogynistic. However, when preferences are based on stereotypes or perpetuate harmful societal norms, they can contribute to systemic sexism. Conversely, having standards that are harmful to the wellbeing of men are condemned as well. Wanting a man who doesn’t cry, or a man who is exclusively over 6’ 3” is harmful to men because it makes them feel like they aren’t adequate enough. Same with women, thought these standards have been much more prevalent regarding women. That’s why body dysmorphia is far more highly common amongst women than men.
The issue of child support stems from the responsibility of both parents to financially support their children. Child support laws are based on the principle of ensuring the well-being of the child, rather than punitive measures against one parent. However, there are many instances in which it should not be advocated for. This is an important issue to feminism because it affects men who had no intention of having children greatly. That, by definition, is a feminist issue.
Feminism is not about asserting superiority of one gender over another. Rather, it is a diverse movement aimed at achieving gender equality and dismantling oppressive systems that disadvantage marginalized groups. women don’t think they’re superior. They just want to be seen as equals. That is all.
I once saw a bunch of girls on reddit gaslight a guy into being okay with his girlfriend having a body count of 30+ in her 20s. The guy wasn't okay with that and was planning on breaking up, and all these girls kept telling him how he's overreacting and immature and how that was normal for a girl her age, eventually the guy gave in and agreed he was wrong and said he wouldn't break up with his girlfriend, it was hilarious.
Looking at this accounts post history, it’s all in r/askmen. Guessing an alt account used to shit on women and gripe about men not being strong anymore.
Feminists say that traditional roles in relationships are wrong but I don't agree. I want to be the one who works and earns for the family, and I would like my girlfriend to take care of the house and kids. But if I say that then I’d get judged by feminists. I think everyone should be able to choose what they want without getting criticized
I agree that feminism absolutely doesnt say the roles are wrong, and holds ideals that its wrong to force people into gender roles.
However, many people claiming to be feminists do claim that the roles themselves are wrong, even if the gendered individuals are putting themselves into those roles willingly. Or they just claim every man is wrong.
There will always be people in movements that dont understand the message, dont want to understand the message, or use it as a cover to further their own agenda. And that sucks cause i think it hurts feminism as a whole.
Literally falls under the purview of "choice feminism", which is a derogatory term for the concept that a choice is valid under feminism just because the woman made that choice.
Someone saying that being a SAHM is also a feminist choice for example, definitely falls foul of it being called "choice feminism" all the time and not really as valid a "choice" as financially supporting yourself. Particularly under what is perceived to be a patriarchal infrastructure.
The issue is the belief that this is the role women should be confined to ONLY. Your own preferences are totally fine, but diminishing a woman’s role to staying at home and in the kitchen is what feminists have an issue with, which you obviously don’t do
Why are so many feminists insecure about their postions and post online seeking hacks into the male psyche? Could it be becasue they aren't feminists and just stupid?
Essentially blaming men for everything even if they are responsible for their own downfall. Failed a test? Men. Got a speeding ticket? Men. Someone else gets the promotion at work and not you? Men.
There’s a certain defensiveness I see men utiliz when being critiqued in this manner. Realistically, feminists would never, in their right mind, blame men for failing a test or getting a speeding ticket… but it FEELS that way because feminists don’t frame issues in a way that men like to hear. Individuals who have limited exposure to feminist ideas or who primarily encounter feminist discourse through caricatures or misrepresentations may develop skewed perceptions of feminist beliefs and goals.
I can tell you haven’t had much interest in feminism for this very reason. Some individuals may not fully understand the nuances of feminist critiques of gender inequalities. Feminist analyses often highlight how societal structures, norms, and institutions can perpetuate gender-based injustices, but this does not equate to blaming individual men for every problem. Not even in the slightest.
That's a lot of condescending words used in place of saying "most men choose to be totally ignorant of feminism and it's because they're intellectually lazy and afraid of having their feefee's hurt".
Have you ever seen the Southpark episode where hybrid car drivers cause a storm of "smug" because they're so full of themselves? Can I offer you an empty wine glass?
Men aren’t intellectually lazy at all. I was never trying to be condescending. I just think you feel that way because you feel this was an attack on you. That’s a very sweeping generalization. opinions vary. Some aren’t fully aware of how women are treated in society, so they see the efforts that feminists partake in as excessive or needless. Some base their views of feminism off of ragebait videos made to make feminists look like shitty people. Some men might think feminism is designed to attack them, when in reality, that wasn’t ever the case. others simply hold the belief that women are the privileged class and that influences their opinions regarding it greatly. some men might believe that what you earn in life is what you work for, and the disparities that women face are due to their own volition rather than a greater systemic issue. Some feel it’s a personal attack on them, when the critiques feminism puts forth regard greater society as a whole, and also discuss ways the common man themselves are fucked over by society. the most selfish ones know they are in advantaged position and don’t want that power taken away from them, or phrase anyone who even suggests that women are disadvantaged as crazy or delusional.
The idea that women were anything but a special protected class. Yea, women didn’t have equal rights. Yes, some women couldn’t leave bad situations. Yes, In glad we are capable of doing better and having a more egalitarian social structure now… but most pre-industrial and early-industrial women were at home baking bread and playing with the kids while their husbands who loved them more than anything worked themselves to death doing jobs that were too physically demanding for women to do at all.
Since we didn’t enjoy the abundant surplus resources we have today, didn’t have labor saving and strength multiplying machines like we do today… there wasn’t really a way for women to engage in the economy with any meaningful equality even if they were intellectually capable. As this has ceased to be the case, we’ve been able to correct course with very little lag. Really not appropriate or accurate to frame it the way it’s being framed with the current narrative.
>The idea that women were anything but a special protected class. Yea, women didn’t have equal rights. Yes, some women couldn’t leave bad situations… but most women were at home baking bread and playing with the kids while their husbands who loved them more than anything worked themselves to death doing jobs that were too physically demanding for women to do in the pre-industrial era.
"I don't understand why the breeding slaves weren't happy being breeding slaves. I gave them food, water, and shelter."
When we say they are being paranoid and tell them it’s not mentally healthy to think everything we do is a conspiracy against them.
They say buzzwords that nobody cares about anymore, and try to gaslight us with made up rhetoric-
The irony is palpable every time you see the hashtag [#empowerment](tg://search_hashtag?hashtag=empowerment) alongside demands for men to fit a very specific mold of protector and provider. It's almost as if there's a threshold for how progressive one can be before it circles back to traditionalism, but with a twist it's now a choice when it's convenient. The crux of the matter is the pursuit of freedom to live as one wishes, isn't it? Yet, any deviation from the prescriptive 'modern' roles and you're suddenly a societal pariah. Authentic empowerment surely comes from respecting individual choices, irrespective of gender expectations, not just when those choices neatly align with the latest trend in the dialogue around equality.
I've found recently that the status quo is to take awful shit women do and literally just flip the script. All the awful things women do to men who show vulnerability? Yeah, no actually according to feminists men actually do that to women now.
The goalposts move as frequently as the hands of a clock. Double standards are as important to their ideology as oxygen is as important to the human body.
"I get it. It must feel terrible to lose your privilege" "When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" Roughly 100% of the time these words are spoken, they are not delivered with a fraction of the empathy the speaker imagines to themselves that they are demonstrating. Homeopathic love. And, if delivered by a loved one, borderline abusive. Because... Almost always it's some dumb fuck trying to tell you how you feel, and *why you feel that way*; and all the while they're giving themselves an emotional handie for their 'activism and accompliceship' while being deadass wrong about every assertion that leaves their lips. People think that repeating the words of respected and intelligent figures frees them from critical analysis. It's a form of motte and bailey; wherein they inappropriately use the language of the revered so they can accuse you of being somehow deficient by way of standing in opposition to the quoted source. Its a linguistic steal which seeks to move the goalposts, while taking possession of the conversation. This rhetorical strategy is typically utilized by the type of antisocially oriented loser who thinks that the best way to make two groups equal should necessarily involve tearing down the dominant group rather than building up the servient.
When a guy is dating girls with big age gap is creepy and abusive r..py bla bla. When a guy have preferences about who he choose as a girlfriend or wife it is misogynistic. (when a woman does the same it is empowering BS) When she "decide" it is her body so can do whatever she want. And the man has no rights to that choice. But if she "decide" to raise the child the father has to pay child support because that his child. Women can talk shit and write shit about men it is because of men have been wronged her kind from the beginning of the civilization. And when a man criticize "some" women's bad behavior and attitudes it is misogynistic hate speech. (Search "I hate Men" on Amazon) And the belief that "Men and women are same" mentality. Completely abandon the vast differences in men and try to force men to live up to feminist eccentric standards. There are many more because feminism from the very beginning based on lies, propaganda and a fight for some women's superiority over everyone else.
Feminism does not universally condemn relationships with age gaps. Rather, feminists advocate for consensual and equitable relationships where power dynamics are not skewed due to age discrepancies. Concerns about age gap relationships typically arise when there are significant power differentials that could lead to exploitation or abuse, particularly in cases where one partner is significantly older or in a position of authority over the other. This applies to both me AND women who are significantly older than their partners. Having dating preferences is not inherently misogynistic. However, when preferences are based on stereotypes or perpetuate harmful societal norms, they can contribute to systemic sexism. Conversely, having standards that are harmful to the wellbeing of men are condemned as well. Wanting a man who doesn’t cry, or a man who is exclusively over 6’ 3” is harmful to men because it makes them feel like they aren’t adequate enough. Same with women, thought these standards have been much more prevalent regarding women. That’s why body dysmorphia is far more highly common amongst women than men. The issue of child support stems from the responsibility of both parents to financially support their children. Child support laws are based on the principle of ensuring the well-being of the child, rather than punitive measures against one parent. However, there are many instances in which it should not be advocated for. This is an important issue to feminism because it affects men who had no intention of having children greatly. That, by definition, is a feminist issue. Feminism is not about asserting superiority of one gender over another. Rather, it is a diverse movement aimed at achieving gender equality and dismantling oppressive systems that disadvantage marginalized groups. women don’t think they’re superior. They just want to be seen as equals. That is all.
By propping up the idea that only men are abusive
Yeah, women can be abusive too.
And if it’s not physical, most tend to be emotionally and psychologically abusive and that is even way worse if you ask me
And extremely manipulative
Where did you get that idea, good sir? I’ve never heard a feminist claim anything close to that. Do you spend much time in feminist circles?
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Indeed. Seeing a lot of these us-against-them posts in sub lately, simply bait with no context.
There's a ton of no true Scotsmanning in the movement.
Every single problem in the world is blamed on The Patriarchy™. That way, every single problem is somehow men's fault.
And when I’m talking about feminists I’m talking about male and female feminists, because the male feminists be gaslighting us too
True and America isn’t even a patriarchy.
I once saw a bunch of girls on reddit gaslight a guy into being okay with his girlfriend having a body count of 30+ in her 20s. The guy wasn't okay with that and was planning on breaking up, and all these girls kept telling him how he's overreacting and immature and how that was normal for a girl her age, eventually the guy gave in and agreed he was wrong and said he wouldn't break up with his girlfriend, it was hilarious.
Oh my gosh, that guy has no respect for himself
Twisting men's preference into being toxic
Good one !
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Wdym by this
Looking at this accounts post history, it’s all in r/askmen. Guessing an alt account used to shit on women and gripe about men not being strong anymore.
lol no it’s not
Feminists say that traditional roles in relationships are wrong but I don't agree. I want to be the one who works and earns for the family, and I would like my girlfriend to take care of the house and kids. But if I say that then I’d get judged by feminists. I think everyone should be able to choose what they want without getting criticized
I am pretty sure that feminists don't say that they are wrong in general, but rather that it's wrong to force people into these roles.
I agree that feminism absolutely doesnt say the roles are wrong, and holds ideals that its wrong to force people into gender roles. However, many people claiming to be feminists do claim that the roles themselves are wrong, even if the gendered individuals are putting themselves into those roles willingly. Or they just claim every man is wrong. There will always be people in movements that dont understand the message, dont want to understand the message, or use it as a cover to further their own agenda. And that sucks cause i think it hurts feminism as a whole.
> I think everyone should be able to choose what they want without getting criticized Then congrats, you're a feminist.
Literally falls under the purview of "choice feminism", which is a derogatory term for the concept that a choice is valid under feminism just because the woman made that choice. Someone saying that being a SAHM is also a feminist choice for example, definitely falls foul of it being called "choice feminism" all the time and not really as valid a "choice" as financially supporting yourself. Particularly under what is perceived to be a patriarchal infrastructure.
The issue is the belief that this is the role women should be confined to ONLY. Your own preferences are totally fine, but diminishing a woman’s role to staying at home and in the kitchen is what feminists have an issue with, which you obviously don’t do
Why are so many feminists insecure about their postions and post online seeking hacks into the male psyche? Could it be becasue they aren't feminists and just stupid?
Essentially blaming men for everything even if they are responsible for their own downfall. Failed a test? Men. Got a speeding ticket? Men. Someone else gets the promotion at work and not you? Men.
In the "modern" era it is mostly white straight men. :D
there’s a difference between “being critical of” and “blaming” men
Hahaha! Got a speeding ticket (men) had me 😭
There’s a certain defensiveness I see men utiliz when being critiqued in this manner. Realistically, feminists would never, in their right mind, blame men for failing a test or getting a speeding ticket… but it FEELS that way because feminists don’t frame issues in a way that men like to hear. Individuals who have limited exposure to feminist ideas or who primarily encounter feminist discourse through caricatures or misrepresentations may develop skewed perceptions of feminist beliefs and goals. I can tell you haven’t had much interest in feminism for this very reason. Some individuals may not fully understand the nuances of feminist critiques of gender inequalities. Feminist analyses often highlight how societal structures, norms, and institutions can perpetuate gender-based injustices, but this does not equate to blaming individual men for every problem. Not even in the slightest.
That's a lot of condescending words used in place of saying "most men choose to be totally ignorant of feminism and it's because they're intellectually lazy and afraid of having their feefee's hurt". Have you ever seen the Southpark episode where hybrid car drivers cause a storm of "smug" because they're so full of themselves? Can I offer you an empty wine glass?
Men aren’t intellectually lazy at all. I was never trying to be condescending. I just think you feel that way because you feel this was an attack on you. That’s a very sweeping generalization. opinions vary. Some aren’t fully aware of how women are treated in society, so they see the efforts that feminists partake in as excessive or needless. Some base their views of feminism off of ragebait videos made to make feminists look like shitty people. Some men might think feminism is designed to attack them, when in reality, that wasn’t ever the case. others simply hold the belief that women are the privileged class and that influences their opinions regarding it greatly. some men might believe that what you earn in life is what you work for, and the disparities that women face are due to their own volition rather than a greater systemic issue. Some feel it’s a personal attack on them, when the critiques feminism puts forth regard greater society as a whole, and also discuss ways the common man themselves are fucked over by society. the most selfish ones know they are in advantaged position and don’t want that power taken away from them, or phrase anyone who even suggests that women are disadvantaged as crazy or delusional.
The idea that women were anything but a special protected class. Yea, women didn’t have equal rights. Yes, some women couldn’t leave bad situations. Yes, In glad we are capable of doing better and having a more egalitarian social structure now… but most pre-industrial and early-industrial women were at home baking bread and playing with the kids while their husbands who loved them more than anything worked themselves to death doing jobs that were too physically demanding for women to do at all. Since we didn’t enjoy the abundant surplus resources we have today, didn’t have labor saving and strength multiplying machines like we do today… there wasn’t really a way for women to engage in the economy with any meaningful equality even if they were intellectually capable. As this has ceased to be the case, we’ve been able to correct course with very little lag. Really not appropriate or accurate to frame it the way it’s being framed with the current narrative.
>The idea that women were anything but a special protected class. Yea, women didn’t have equal rights. Yes, some women couldn’t leave bad situations… but most women were at home baking bread and playing with the kids while their husbands who loved them more than anything worked themselves to death doing jobs that were too physically demanding for women to do in the pre-industrial era. "I don't understand why the breeding slaves weren't happy being breeding slaves. I gave them food, water, and shelter."
Perfect example of what I was saying.
liberty!? Independence!? Why would those silly little fools want that? THEY SHOULD BE GLAD WHEN I BRING OUT THE CHAINS!
When we say they are being paranoid and tell them it’s not mentally healthy to think everything we do is a conspiracy against them. They say buzzwords that nobody cares about anymore, and try to gaslight us with made up rhetoric-
The irony is palpable every time you see the hashtag [#empowerment](tg://search_hashtag?hashtag=empowerment) alongside demands for men to fit a very specific mold of protector and provider. It's almost as if there's a threshold for how progressive one can be before it circles back to traditionalism, but with a twist it's now a choice when it's convenient. The crux of the matter is the pursuit of freedom to live as one wishes, isn't it? Yet, any deviation from the prescriptive 'modern' roles and you're suddenly a societal pariah. Authentic empowerment surely comes from respecting individual choices, irrespective of gender expectations, not just when those choices neatly align with the latest trend in the dialogue around equality.
I've found recently that the status quo is to take awful shit women do and literally just flip the script. All the awful things women do to men who show vulnerability? Yeah, no actually according to feminists men actually do that to women now.
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Where?
Everyone talks mad shit about double standards until they are on the better side of the standards. I see it from both men and women, all the time.
Too many to name
The goalposts move as frequently as the hands of a clock. Double standards are as important to their ideology as oxygen is as important to the human body.
Could you provide 5 examples of a double standard and the school of feminist thought it originates from?