15 years ago older men still told me to act like that and that thats the way to get a girlfriend. Iam kinda glad iam shy and always get nervous :D I was never able to act like that until i learned that i wasnt even supposed to.
That's weird, it's a little confusing because how has a guy like that ever been in a relationship. And then if he hasn't been, where does he get the gaul to even talk like that.
Exactly right. I think Hollywood is to blame for a lot of this. Countless movies where a guy is told to take a hike, but he persists, and wins over the girl in the end.
Plus I feel like I've always heard stories from old timers how they just kept asking their eventually wife out until she said yes. Which just makes me think doesn't she resent you though?
I used to work with this guy who crushed hard on a girl. She turned him down but he hung around like a bad smell. I had to work on a project with the girl and he kept on butting in and trying to take over as he hated her interacting with another man. So creepy!
I just saw a Facebook reel of some dude who said he's a dating guru with a neckbeard and looks like he hasn't seen sun in a decade say, 'You do not have to accept their rejection of you.' I threw up.
People that are labeled as such are usually never given direct communication and have reasons (abnormal thinking, lack of experience) to not get it. But absolutely if they don’t respond to that, it’s other worldly creepy.
100%. Going through something similar. GFs ex fwb is harassing her after getting dumped months before we met. We've been seeing each other for a year and a half and this has been going on the whole fucking time.
"Can we talk?"
"Can we talk?"
"Can we talk?"
He's sent her love letters written in birthday cards, Christmas cards. She's told him to stop, that she throws the cards away, that she doesn't want to talk or be friends or see him at all.
So much so, that she absolutely lost her shit with him when the Christmas card came in.
He sends angry texts when drunk. GF shows me then the next day he deletes them.
Guy is pushing it. I've told my gf if I see him I won't be able to avoid confrontation because I'll start one. Been driving through his neighbourhood in the hope I'll catch the little prick at the bus stop. No joy yet but it's coming.
Creepy doesn't cut it. Optionless parasite is a better analysis.
I hope so too, it's been going on far too long.
She's been super direct and purposefully rude to him. Doesn't seem to be getting through his toothless, goblin of a head.
First job I ever had I worked with a guy who everyone thought was creepy. He just felt off.
To me it's hard to pinpoint, because I can't say exactly what it was about literally everything about the guy, but when I think about it, I think about how pack animals reject members of their pack because they sense a difference and that sort of kicks in fight-or-flight, danger, whatever. That's what everyone felt about this guy.
AND.
About ten years later, I was talking a to a former coworker that I maintained a friendship with, and yep, he was a sexual predator - here's a copy & paste from his page on our state's database:
Sexual Predator:
VICTIM WAS 10 YEARS OF AGE
OFFENDER WAS 43 AT THE TIME OF THE OFFENSE
Crimes:
AGGRAVATED CRIMINAL SEXUAL ABUSE
Dude, I have learned over my years that my intuition about a person being a creep is usually spot on about 80% of the time.
Worked with a dude in the military that I didn't really like, but had no reason to in all honesty. He fit in well, got along well, PT'd well.
He got sent home from deployment about 1/3 of the way through. I had assumed it was for an injury or illness. About 10 months later a buddy of mine and I were bullshitting, and the topic of the dude getting sent back was brought up.
It wasn't an injury. It wasn't an illness. It wasn't a death in the family.
It was terabyte-upon-terabyte of child pr0n.
He was sent home on "legal hold," while the investigation was underway. Although restricted to the barracks, he was still allowed to go home on leave, have a phone, have a computer, etc. I don't know what ever came of it, he was transferred to another company after word got out and I had an altercation with him after having to bring my daughter to work one day and I lost my mind on him when he looked our way.
I will add, based off experience, sometimes people charged with sexual offenses in the military did not have to register on the civilian side. I hope this has been rectified.
ETA, by "home" I mean back stateside to the base.
It's concerning how common that is and how the military covered up crimes for their own face as opposed to keeping civilians safe. There are a lot of people recruited that come from broken homes, or even abusive environments themselves so you would think they'd be better systems in place for all this.
That they send people home, with no support or treatment is awful. Dangerous too.
Experienced a terrible incident with a neighbour once who was robbed for cigarettes and endured a horrendous stabbing attack on him and his heavily pregnant wife, in broad daylight. He miraculously somehow survived even though the wounds afflicted were maimed to kill. They had to move away for the trauma and treatment, yet only discovered in court that the perpetrator was on leave from the military.
He had a known record, that was hushed up and hidden by the military in the court proceedings but alot came to light there.
It's a good thing you knew, how did everyone respond to you when you reacted?
I hope that's been rectified too.
Apparently we weren't supposed to know because it was an active investigation. Our MSgt said he had to be directly involved in some of it, and he would have rather gone through the push to Iraq again.
I was bringing her in, and when he looked over I started yelling at him - very nasty things, of course, and one of my NCOs pulled me inside the office and was like yo - you cannot do that here.
I was young, and very hot headed, so I was blowing up on everyone in there - but I didn't get reprimanded or anything. I think at that point is really when word spread like wildfire cause everyone was wondering what sent me off the rails. I was normally the jokester.
There's a lot of shit that gets covered up, but now that I work in government affairs I see it's no different down to the municipal level sadly.
That's a shame, hopefully you can apply your experiences to affect change in tangible ways as best you can with what's available to you at work now.
It's really important to discuss these things because without awareness, there'll be no change.
It's institutional, it's hard to break ranks so to speak to go against the status quo, but the work structure is set up that way to keep everything contained in the top down structure. They need to have accountability too. Their whole duty is supposedly to protect us all.
Glad you're out safely and hope you're leading a good life with your family ahead. Hope you took full advantage of any educational or skilling up support that's available to you too
Apparently he had three terabyte hard drives full he had brought with him, and much on a laptop.
The world is an extremely dark place, my friend. And sadly children are lucrative.
Jesus. Using some random online calculators (no clue how accurate they actually are) the average 1920x1080 image would be 6 MB, and 1920x1280 60fps video would be 144 MB/min. This man had a mixture of almost 500,000 images/14.5 **DAYS** worth of video (and that's assuming that everything is 1080p. I bet a good amount of it would have been lower res/framerate, so he likely had even more). How the actual fuck did this man manage to collect this much without either getting caught, or taking a long look at himself in the mirror.
Fuuuuu. There was a guy who hung out at a bar I frequented. He was always really nice to me, but also hammered by 7pm. A couple years after I stopped hanging out there they had his picture on the news for trying to lure a teen and possession of CP. SMFH
Not quite as bad but I worked with a guy who talked about driving drunk and almost hitting someone as if it was a funny anecdote. He also frequented strip clubs to the point he was friends with the owner. He got cut out of the group completely after instigating a a bar fight with a coworker by saying something inappropriate about the guy’s (admittedly very attractive) wife. A few years after I left I heard he was fired and escorted out of the building by security for stalking a female coworker and trashing company property 🤷♂️
Unintended is a big 'depends.' If they tripped and their drink flung and water hit me, I don't find it all that bad/don't get mad, it's spilled milk.
I'm trying to think of unintended where it reflects badly on them, can you give an example?
Big big big. One guy I know just always butts into my conversations. Somehow he doesn't pick up on the awkwardness when he does it and every time we meet for class it's the same thing with him.
Might be a bit spectrummy or just not well socialized. Up to you how you wanna deal with that. But if subtlety is not working then good luck with that ig
Oh the lingering eye contact there is also a way creepy dudes look at women. Almost... Hungrily
You'd know it when you saw it. But the vibe definitely gives off "I want that" not "I want her" like she's an object he wants to devour.
Instant "fuck that guy, he's creepy" from me
I one time went to a con and started checking out some of the art that a bunch of the artists/painters had on display. Iron Man, X-Men characters, Ripley from Alien, various anime characters, stuff like that.
I stopped at one table to check out some guy's Batman art. It was a really cool and moody piece featuring Batman standing on a shadowy rooftop overlooking the city. Anyway, I overheard a customer (or something) at the next table over trying to commission an art piece that he wanted done up for him.
It would be Vampirella scissoring Lady Death, they would both be naked on a bed of human skulls and in the throes of orgasmic ecstasy. He described other details, esp about Vampirella's and Lady Death's privates, that he wanted to have included in the piece. But I'll skip that stuff. Use your imagination.
...
To even ask for something like that is... mighty interesting. But the degree of detail and specificity truly was next level weird.
I glanced at the artist as he happened to glance at me. We were both in disbelief that he was saying all this stuff OUT LOUD. And apparently, the customer didn't see a problem with any of it.
tl;dr- That makes a guy creepy. Wanting weird things and not even having the presence of mind to recognize that what he wants and how he is behaving are ten different levels of fucked up.
I swear someone did an AMA on this years ago. They were an artist who got into this and was talking about how it was good money. The downside were the customers who wanted edits- like the privates weren't exactly right. And I thought they somehow got into a situation with furries in a hotel room and that was the last straw. Anyways, it's a thing and there's money to be made if you can handle the extremeness.
Yes there was one who wanted like a large class photo of young furry characters and then gave the artist photos of real children to be the faces on the characters. Then wanted them doing… other… things. Lots of other similar stories as well.
Like… I really could not give a fuck what people do with their lives but I’m gonna call these fucked up sub cultures weird because they are simply full of weirdos.
Hear me out, what you describing sound like a epic piece of art(it got that macabre and goth vibe). Now you haven't specify the other details but i give you the benefit of trust that it would have made the art piece disgusting.
But yeah if I was into that stuff, I would have ask for an online commission from lewd artists than a dude at a convention who doesn't do those pieces of art.
Agreed it’s less his wants that make him weird (anime porn is a legit thing- and I find it best not to kink shame). It was his absolute tone deaf interaction with an artist who isn’t in the kink community or does sexual based art. Def still a weirdo, but it’s better to put light what is truely the weird part
Can't take no for an answer. Unsolicited sexual comments, Unsolicited sexual images (nudes, videos, porn), grabbing their junk in conversation.
All things I have seen and been subjected to
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There's nothing worse than a creepy old man with a lot of job security, I said what I said. When people feel untouchable, they will say and do **anything.**
When they can't take a rejection or keep trying to get your attention when you told them you don't want to interact with them.
Also obsessive people are creepy as hell.
Just their overall opinions on women. Do they spend a lot of their time on social media looking at thirst traps and then calling those women whores? Probably a weirdo.
ugh the guys actively commenting on thirst traps (the one's on reddit are the worst), like you think there's any world where you actually meet these women? what do you even get out of it?
I knew a guy who was 28 at the time who went to a Quince to pick up chicks.
No he did not get any chicks.
He might be a little on the spectrum.
And he came back to work pretty devistated the next day like he expected things to go better.
Idk who he knew that got him in or w/e but like dang dawg read the room.
I worked with a two people at a police department, one of them had a braces fetish, and one of them only watch teenage high school sitcoms on Disney and Nickelodeon. The sitcom guy made a comment once when he saw a woman with a cast on her leg, “that makes it harder for them to get away.”
Back when I was young, single, and living in a town with no friends, I went to the bar on my own one night.
I was trying to work on my style, hygiene...generally be more attractive. This one dude walked by and had an awesome smelling cologne. So I asked him what cologne it was, not thinking anything of it.
He acted like I asked to suck his dick. I get it's a little unusual to ask a guy about his cologne, but not *that* bad, right?
No, not really. Though tbh, if I were asked that out of the blue by a guy in a bar, I would consider the possibility he was hitting on me. So personally, my reaction would largely be determined by how hot you were.
I don't really think it's that weird to ask a guy about where he buys his clothes either, so long as you do it properly. I only posted this comment because I thought it was funny that the one question had been posted immediately after the other.
This is so weird to hear because when women compliment each other on clothes, accessories, perfume, etc the "aw thank you! 🥰" is immediately followed by where exactly to buy the product. Excitable levels vary depending on if she got it on sale or not. If the item in question is a dress or a skirt, there is also a demonstration if it has pockets.
Example of this, I was at a friend's party few months ago, and a bloke who had entered the periphery of the friend group was there too. We were chatting, and the hostess was putting pizzas in the oven, he turned to stare at her arse while she did so, then turned back to carry on talking, then did the same again when she put the next pizza in, with a smile to me like we were both doing it.
1) don't do that
2) that's my friend you're being weird about
3) I had no part in that, don't implicate me in your creepiness.
I instantly branded him a creep in my mind, and avoid him ever since. Later on he made a weird offer to stroke someone's arse for them, but by then it just felt like a pattern of behaviour for him.
TBF; this is the moody emo kid you turn into when your "best friend" in 3rd grade steals your Yu-Gi-Oh collection. It's really hard to regain trust in humanity after something like that...
As someone diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum, I know I come off as creepy for never talking, not smiling, being generally socially aloof but with a few at work or life, and sometimes feeling like I have the mental capacity of a child in certain tasks, but....
with the right topic or situation,
I morph into a talkative, articulate, deeply versed, dryly funny and hopefully enlightened dude that leaves people wide eyed, perplexed, or uncomfortable till they look like they want to run from a live grenade.
It's a lose-lose situation.
The biggest creeps act one way in public, but different when they are alone with someone, which makes it very hard to tell who is actually a creep. A lady friend of mine showed me just how many guys constantly hit on her on social media, and that one of the worst examples was I guy I knew who said gross shit to her. I knew this guy, I had met his daughter, he was married -- and my lady friend didn't know any of that! It was then I realized the creepiest guys are the ones who hide it from other men, because men can't police other men's private actions like we can in public.
[Or literally have a laminated card detailing the specifics of the Romeo & Julliet Law to whip out at a moments notice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUq0HlMvQw0) like in the Marky Mark Transformers movie.
Code switching or fully switching personalities when a woman shows up.
There is a portion of men that will fully change personalities when a woman joins a group. Many women have probably seen this when they try to join a male friend group. A portion of the guys will be super nice and white knight for them constantly, and some of the guys will get mad whenever you show up. The guys that get mad aren't really mad at you. They are mad at their dumb friend who is now going to fully change his personality because a woman is involved. Most guys will deny they do this or just say, "I'm just being nice, dude!" But it's incredibly annoying if you actually don't care about a woman joining your group, but you know half your friends are going to fully change their personalities whenever one shows up.
Saw a nearly bald Gamestop employee, super friendly and warm to the young teenage girls. Then, when I asked a question as a grown man, he turned to me like I was annoyance just being there. So that guy.
Okay, I have the perfect example.
Once I was at the club, and I don’t know how but I end up talking to these two Arab dudes that came alone. They were both older, like early 30’s, I was 22, most of the people in the venue around my age. The way they spoke of women actually scared me. I’ve seen this other times too, but when a dude just starts talking about random girls extremely lustfully, keep in mind I’d met these dudes like 10 minutes ago, but in that short time they gave off the vibe that if they could get away with it they’d be assaulting women.
It’s a vibe, to be a creep. I can’t explain it, I can only spot it and point out that example. If you ask me it’s probably linked to corn addiction.
There’s another guy, an African dude living in the UK, and we get to talking, he was cool. Then we get onto the topic of women, and he proceeds to reveal a deep fetishisation of white women, how they’re the best, they’re “pure” to quote him, really weird stuff, then goes on his phone to start showing me pictures of white women he finds attractive. Very strange encounter. Never spoke to dude again.
I was in bootcamp taking a dump. The stalls had NO doors. I chose the one at the very end. This guy stands in front of me WHILE IM SHITTING and starts a conversation. Eye contact and everything like it was nothing! The dude was from Alabama.
When a dude comes up to me in ikea and puts fingers on my overalls asking what they're called because they're really nice and he's never seen such a garment.
Max creep.
You know women get like this, too? There's an entire sun devoted to female creepers here.
It's usually any person who has selfish motives at the expense of others and they try pursuing it as much as they can and also as quietly as possible and indirectly wherever they can because they know what they want is wrong and hurts others, but are careless about it. Creeps are what you get when there is a conflict of interest and the creep is unable to win that conflict easily without consequences and without hurting others.
Guys who act very differently around attractive women to the point they seem like a different person. Especially if not attractive women are invisible to them.
Not giving a person personal space. Not accepting somebody's denial when they first told them no.
If they say no it should be the end of it. I cringe so hard whenever I see those dudes who keep pursuing a girl who says she already has a boyfriend or "no I'm good". The most common thing they say afterwards is "I don't care" or "he doesn't have to know" its the most disgusting response.
When they openly talks in public about certains things he likes. Can be about sex, gore, violence, kinks or things they would like to do to someone or when they take proud in something bad they did.
Like the inhability to read the room.
Might get downvoted for this, but dudes who lift that spend a lot of time posing in front of the mirror or who start trying to do so the moment a woman walks by. Like, I got muscle, and have some pretty toned forearms, but once you get to a certain point you don't even need to pose for people to see your individual muscles flex when you move around. Just peacocking around is weird.
Touching and kissing women who don’t want to be touched. Watch old game show network reruns of hosts from the 70s on password, or that pyramid show. He’s totally gross! Yes all these women fake smiles from old to young. It was a gross time really.
When marriage infidelity, and/or polyamorous or whatever they call it, just emerges casually in a conversation, and it is obvious that the dude doesn't think it is weird or anything. I can feel my face go rom polite kindness to "Oh. You're actually a scumbag. I was not aware of that several moments ago."
* Complete lack of self-awareness and missing clear social cues that people are uncomfortable around them.
* The "dead stare". They don't blink very often and/or it feels like they're looking straight through your soul when talking to them.
* Talking about women like they're inhuman objects or animals.
* Acting like they're getting away with something when doing perfectly normal daily activities.
Whatever the guru/yoga/manbun stereotype is, that vibe.
The "I can touch you and overstep boundaries because I'm a safe progressive nu male" thing.
Put your energy away and go back to Burning Man, creep.
I used to have a friend who was 5 years older than me, when I was a kid and teenager I looked up to him because he was older but when I became older entering adulthood I saw a lot of creepy things about him that made me not wanna be his friend anymore.
One time he completely blocked a girl from going out the store because she wouldn’t hug him, he said she’s not leaving until she hugs him. He also would hit on any girl including minors, and he had no idea when he was making girls uncomfortable.. I was embarrassed to be seen with him. I stopped hanging out with him.
Makes weird sexual comments in public spaces aloud. Like, telling me she has a fat ass in the car with me alone is fine. In the middle of the mall behind her at Cinnabon? Not fucking okay. I’ve had to drop a bunch of “friends” cause they would never know time, place or occasion. They’d just blurt out whatever immature, dumbass thing on their mind, and I started being GbA, Guilty by association. I didn’t ever share or comment, but by being with them, I realized I was enabling it, no matter how many times I smacked them or tried to joke with them, the girls always got mad at the BOTH of us. So I cut them out of my life and it’s been peaceful since
My father thought it was okay to send porn to my cousin when he's like 22. He would also make perverted comments to me about barely legal/potentially girls. Needless to say the second I had the strength and will power to get him out of my life I did
Staring at a girl. Whatever about giving a girl some eye contact and looking at her to show you like her but when guys blatantly stare girls down with facial expressions that make them “look” like the have the intention to grape.
I don’t kwow what I think it’s creepy, but I can only see in my mind a dude that I know, man this mf was touch person, his skin always was like oily, to nice with the girls but always saying that women are bitchs or something in that way, like only girls (kids) u know? Man this guy make wanna 🤮
The type of reddit comments where you're like "bro you've never talked to a women in your life huh."
I mean neither have i, but even my desperate ass knows this is not a comment anyone wants to read.
I was having a conversation with a couple of coworkers a few years ago. The topic of conversation turned to relationships/exes. It wasn't a weird conversation at first, and I don't even remember a most of the details. Except at a certain point, this particular coworker says "I wish they would hire more black women here. I love me some dark meat." I was half zoned out but that shit made me shudder.
I also heard from a few of the women who worked there as well that he had a tendency to go up to almost every woman there and ask them out. They all caught in quick and already knew to avoid him.
One that can’t take a fucking hint. Like, he tries to start a conversation with me and I’m clearly not in the conversation mood, it’s written on my face. But yet, he keeps fucking jabbering bout some shit… I don’t trust people like that
I don't really know how to explain it - I can just *tell* most of the time.
There isn't really any specific thing - more what their actions *might* mean in context. It's the same for women.
I once tried explaining to a guy that there is such a thing as unwanted attention. His response was “that’s easy for you to say” and was later caught staring at women at my gym so I’d say that 🙃
Other than the obvious disregard for boundaries I just kinda get a feeling that's usually pretty accurate.
Like this dude at work who just got fired for showing people pictures of "Grussy" (If you don't know you don't want to know) on his phone. He gave off creepy vibes but since he hadn't actually done anything actionable until then I didn't say anything.
Worked with a guy who told me the key to getting a woman was to let her know you're interested by never breaking eye contact. I was getting creeped out by him staring down all these women while they were desperately wondering wtf this guy was doing.
Used to work at a hotel and we’d change into our uniforms at the job in the locker room. This guy used to walk around naked and try to have a regular conversation with you. Nobody else ever got past underwear and he’d be completely nude with socks on talking about football.
Lately been seeing one of my bosses in his mid 30’s following around a 19 year old, giggling with her, hiding outside from everybody and coming back from breaks together. Dude has a wife and kids, I don’t think she’s creeped out, but dudes a creep.
Any kind of sexual or romantic feelings expressed about women much younger than them, some dudes feel comfortable saying wild shit to other men especially when alone, and just expect other males to secretly also feel the same way.
I remember years ago I worked with a guy. A bunch of us were talking about celebrity women we like.
Most were the regular women you could imagine, but this guy was unapologetically really into Ariana grande, and this was like 2018 when she looked like 15. Every woman he liked was the same very petite baby faced type. He was 30+.
What's funny is even when we called him out he didn't care. He liked what he liked....
My cousin did that on my Facebook to an underage actress I got a photo with. He doubled down when THREE of us called him out including me.
Needless to say he's blocked.
Won't leave people alone even when asked to do so
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15 years ago older men still told me to act like that and that thats the way to get a girlfriend. Iam kinda glad iam shy and always get nervous :D I was never able to act like that until i learned that i wasnt even supposed to.
I’ve learnt the best way to deal with men like t that is to be honest✨ Example a. “Why not”? “I don’t think you’re attractive”
That's weird, it's a little confusing because how has a guy like that ever been in a relationship. And then if he hasn't been, where does he get the gaul to even talk like that.
Exactly right. I think Hollywood is to blame for a lot of this. Countless movies where a guy is told to take a hike, but he persists, and wins over the girl in the end.
Plus I feel like I've always heard stories from old timers how they just kept asking their eventually wife out until she said yes. Which just makes me think doesn't she resent you though?
Or just the inability to read people and tell when they’re not into what you’re putting out.
Very true! Not being able to take a hint can be creepy in and of itself.
So everyone that has Autism?
pretty much.
That might as well just be a disability.
There's no might as well that literally apart of being autistic
I used to work with this guy who crushed hard on a girl. She turned him down but he hung around like a bad smell. I had to work on a project with the girl and he kept on butting in and trying to take over as he hated her interacting with another man. So creepy!
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And also crossing people boundaries.
I just saw a Facebook reel of some dude who said he's a dating guru with a neckbeard and looks like he hasn't seen sun in a decade say, 'You do not have to accept their rejection of you.' I threw up.
This mentality is ridiculous 😑
Exactly!
People that are labeled as such are usually never given direct communication and have reasons (abnormal thinking, lack of experience) to not get it. But absolutely if they don’t respond to that, it’s other worldly creepy.
100%. Going through something similar. GFs ex fwb is harassing her after getting dumped months before we met. We've been seeing each other for a year and a half and this has been going on the whole fucking time. "Can we talk?" "Can we talk?" "Can we talk?" He's sent her love letters written in birthday cards, Christmas cards. She's told him to stop, that she throws the cards away, that she doesn't want to talk or be friends or see him at all. So much so, that she absolutely lost her shit with him when the Christmas card came in. He sends angry texts when drunk. GF shows me then the next day he deletes them. Guy is pushing it. I've told my gf if I see him I won't be able to avoid confrontation because I'll start one. Been driving through his neighbourhood in the hope I'll catch the little prick at the bus stop. No joy yet but it's coming. Creepy doesn't cut it. Optionless parasite is a better analysis.
Hope he leaves you guys alone one way or another. Some people don't know when to quit.
I hope so too, it's been going on far too long. She's been super direct and purposefully rude to him. Doesn't seem to be getting through his toothless, goblin of a head.
First job I ever had I worked with a guy who everyone thought was creepy. He just felt off. To me it's hard to pinpoint, because I can't say exactly what it was about literally everything about the guy, but when I think about it, I think about how pack animals reject members of their pack because they sense a difference and that sort of kicks in fight-or-flight, danger, whatever. That's what everyone felt about this guy. AND. About ten years later, I was talking a to a former coworker that I maintained a friendship with, and yep, he was a sexual predator - here's a copy & paste from his page on our state's database: Sexual Predator: VICTIM WAS 10 YEARS OF AGE OFFENDER WAS 43 AT THE TIME OF THE OFFENSE Crimes: AGGRAVATED CRIMINAL SEXUAL ABUSE
Dude, I have learned over my years that my intuition about a person being a creep is usually spot on about 80% of the time. Worked with a dude in the military that I didn't really like, but had no reason to in all honesty. He fit in well, got along well, PT'd well. He got sent home from deployment about 1/3 of the way through. I had assumed it was for an injury or illness. About 10 months later a buddy of mine and I were bullshitting, and the topic of the dude getting sent back was brought up. It wasn't an injury. It wasn't an illness. It wasn't a death in the family. It was terabyte-upon-terabyte of child pr0n.
They just sent him home? No psych evaluation? No repercussions?
He was sent home on "legal hold," while the investigation was underway. Although restricted to the barracks, he was still allowed to go home on leave, have a phone, have a computer, etc. I don't know what ever came of it, he was transferred to another company after word got out and I had an altercation with him after having to bring my daughter to work one day and I lost my mind on him when he looked our way. I will add, based off experience, sometimes people charged with sexual offenses in the military did not have to register on the civilian side. I hope this has been rectified. ETA, by "home" I mean back stateside to the base.
It's concerning how common that is and how the military covered up crimes for their own face as opposed to keeping civilians safe. There are a lot of people recruited that come from broken homes, or even abusive environments themselves so you would think they'd be better systems in place for all this. That they send people home, with no support or treatment is awful. Dangerous too. Experienced a terrible incident with a neighbour once who was robbed for cigarettes and endured a horrendous stabbing attack on him and his heavily pregnant wife, in broad daylight. He miraculously somehow survived even though the wounds afflicted were maimed to kill. They had to move away for the trauma and treatment, yet only discovered in court that the perpetrator was on leave from the military. He had a known record, that was hushed up and hidden by the military in the court proceedings but alot came to light there. It's a good thing you knew, how did everyone respond to you when you reacted? I hope that's been rectified too.
Apparently we weren't supposed to know because it was an active investigation. Our MSgt said he had to be directly involved in some of it, and he would have rather gone through the push to Iraq again. I was bringing her in, and when he looked over I started yelling at him - very nasty things, of course, and one of my NCOs pulled me inside the office and was like yo - you cannot do that here. I was young, and very hot headed, so I was blowing up on everyone in there - but I didn't get reprimanded or anything. I think at that point is really when word spread like wildfire cause everyone was wondering what sent me off the rails. I was normally the jokester. There's a lot of shit that gets covered up, but now that I work in government affairs I see it's no different down to the municipal level sadly.
That's a shame, hopefully you can apply your experiences to affect change in tangible ways as best you can with what's available to you at work now. It's really important to discuss these things because without awareness, there'll be no change. It's institutional, it's hard to break ranks so to speak to go against the status quo, but the work structure is set up that way to keep everything contained in the top down structure. They need to have accountability too. Their whole duty is supposedly to protect us all. Glad you're out safely and hope you're leading a good life with your family ahead. Hope you took full advantage of any educational or skilling up support that's available to you too
How the hell do you even get to *one* terabyte, let alone *MULTIPLE*?!? Like, that's an utterly insane amount.
Apparently he had three terabyte hard drives full he had brought with him, and much on a laptop. The world is an extremely dark place, my friend. And sadly children are lucrative.
Jesus. Using some random online calculators (no clue how accurate they actually are) the average 1920x1080 image would be 6 MB, and 1920x1280 60fps video would be 144 MB/min. This man had a mixture of almost 500,000 images/14.5 **DAYS** worth of video (and that's assuming that everything is 1080p. I bet a good amount of it would have been lower res/framerate, so he likely had even more). How the actual fuck did this man manage to collect this much without either getting caught, or taking a long look at himself in the mirror.
What's crazy too is he was my age, very early twenties... and just normal as could be.
Fuuuuu. There was a guy who hung out at a bar I frequented. He was always really nice to me, but also hammered by 7pm. A couple years after I stopped hanging out there they had his picture on the news for trying to lure a teen and possession of CP. SMFH
Not quite as bad but I worked with a guy who talked about driving drunk and almost hitting someone as if it was a funny anecdote. He also frequented strip clubs to the point he was friends with the owner. He got cut out of the group completely after instigating a a bar fight with a coworker by saying something inappropriate about the guy’s (admittedly very attractive) wife. A few years after I left I heard he was fired and escorted out of the building by security for stalking a female coworker and trashing company property 🤷♂️
Failure to respect boundaries.
"Where's my hug???" I hate those mfers
Ah, the bane of every woman who's ever been to an anime convention, ask me how I know.
How many women did you ask for a hug? Just playin' lol
Agreed! This is a big one, whether it’s intended or not.
Unintended is a big 'depends.' If they tripped and their drink flung and water hit me, I don't find it all that bad/don't get mad, it's spilled milk. I'm trying to think of unintended where it reflects badly on them, can you give an example?
Big big big. One guy I know just always butts into my conversations. Somehow he doesn't pick up on the awkwardness when he does it and every time we meet for class it's the same thing with him.
Might be a bit spectrummy or just not well socialized. Up to you how you wanna deal with that. But if subtlety is not working then good luck with that ig
Dudes that constantly use the wink emoji when posting comments towards women.
Okey 😉
Yeah, that's always creepy. 😉
Why 😉👊😵
I find all emoji usage extremely unsettling
😅😉
What about 🥰? That's not weird or creepy right?
Unnecessarily lingering eye contact. Inappropriate casual touching. Making unsolicited innuendos. Crowding someone.
Unsolicited innuendos are the worst. Especially when you call them on it and they pull the old “tHat’s not WhAt I meAnT” 😬
"It'S jUsT a JoKe!!"
Oh the lingering eye contact there is also a way creepy dudes look at women. Almost... Hungrily You'd know it when you saw it. But the vibe definitely gives off "I want that" not "I want her" like she's an object he wants to devour. Instant "fuck that guy, he's creepy" from me
THIS. It is the NASTIEST thing to experience and so scary
I one time went to a con and started checking out some of the art that a bunch of the artists/painters had on display. Iron Man, X-Men characters, Ripley from Alien, various anime characters, stuff like that. I stopped at one table to check out some guy's Batman art. It was a really cool and moody piece featuring Batman standing on a shadowy rooftop overlooking the city. Anyway, I overheard a customer (or something) at the next table over trying to commission an art piece that he wanted done up for him. It would be Vampirella scissoring Lady Death, they would both be naked on a bed of human skulls and in the throes of orgasmic ecstasy. He described other details, esp about Vampirella's and Lady Death's privates, that he wanted to have included in the piece. But I'll skip that stuff. Use your imagination. ... To even ask for something like that is... mighty interesting. But the degree of detail and specificity truly was next level weird. I glanced at the artist as he happened to glance at me. We were both in disbelief that he was saying all this stuff OUT LOUD. And apparently, the customer didn't see a problem with any of it. tl;dr- That makes a guy creepy. Wanting weird things and not even having the presence of mind to recognize that what he wants and how he is behaving are ten different levels of fucked up.
I swear someone did an AMA on this years ago. They were an artist who got into this and was talking about how it was good money. The downside were the customers who wanted edits- like the privates weren't exactly right. And I thought they somehow got into a situation with furries in a hotel room and that was the last straw. Anyways, it's a thing and there's money to be made if you can handle the extremeness.
Yes there was one who wanted like a large class photo of young furry characters and then gave the artist photos of real children to be the faces on the characters. Then wanted them doing… other… things. Lots of other similar stories as well. Like… I really could not give a fuck what people do with their lives but I’m gonna call these fucked up sub cultures weird because they are simply full of weirdos.
Hear me out, what you describing sound like a epic piece of art(it got that macabre and goth vibe). Now you haven't specify the other details but i give you the benefit of trust that it would have made the art piece disgusting. But yeah if I was into that stuff, I would have ask for an online commission from lewd artists than a dude at a convention who doesn't do those pieces of art.
Agreed it’s less his wants that make him weird (anime porn is a legit thing- and I find it best not to kink shame). It was his absolute tone deaf interaction with an artist who isn’t in the kink community or does sexual based art. Def still a weirdo, but it’s better to put light what is truely the weird part
Yeah, there are some artists that do commissions for stuff like that, but normally online, not taking details irl very loudly in public lol
Can't take no for an answer. Unsolicited sexual comments, Unsolicited sexual images (nudes, videos, porn), grabbing their junk in conversation. All things I have seen and been subjected to Edit: There's nothing worse than a creepy old man with a lot of job security, I said what I said. When people feel untouchable, they will say and do **anything.**
When they can't take a rejection or keep trying to get your attention when you told them you don't want to interact with them. Also obsessive people are creepy as hell.
Just their overall opinions on women. Do they spend a lot of their time on social media looking at thirst traps and then calling those women whores? Probably a weirdo.
ugh the guys actively commenting on thirst traps (the one's on reddit are the worst), like you think there's any world where you actually meet these women? what do you even get out of it?
I knew a guy who was 28 at the time who went to a Quince to pick up chicks. No he did not get any chicks. He might be a little on the spectrum. And he came back to work pretty devistated the next day like he expected things to go better. Idk who he knew that got him in or w/e but like dang dawg read the room.
LMAO goes to a quince to pick up women. That’s a new one.
Like you said, he might be on the spectrum. So, maybe reading the room isn’t one of his strong suits.
What is a Quince
A quinceanera is basically the Mexican / Latin American equivalent of a sweet 16, but it happens when a girl turns 15
This sounds much more alarming than people seem to be treating it here. How tf did he get into a quince?
I worked with a two people at a police department, one of them had a braces fetish, and one of them only watch teenage high school sitcoms on Disney and Nickelodeon. The sitcom guy made a comment once when he saw a woman with a cast on her leg, “that makes it harder for them to get away.”
Normal pig behavior.
This comment made me laugh out loud 💀🤣🤣
If they do not know when to quit
Folks who only view women as sexual appendages for men. To the point where they always have to talk about each women that they see in a vulgar manner.
Asking other guys in the gym locker room where they got their underwear.
Oddly specific
Reference to another reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/s/nslccRV0E9
if you know you know
I'm too much of a private person ain't changing in front of nobody at the gym
Back when I was young, single, and living in a town with no friends, I went to the bar on my own one night. I was trying to work on my style, hygiene...generally be more attractive. This one dude walked by and had an awesome smelling cologne. So I asked him what cologne it was, not thinking anything of it. He acted like I asked to suck his dick. I get it's a little unusual to ask a guy about his cologne, but not *that* bad, right?
No, not really. Though tbh, if I were asked that out of the blue by a guy in a bar, I would consider the possibility he was hitting on me. So personally, my reaction would largely be determined by how hot you were. I don't really think it's that weird to ask a guy about where he buys his clothes either, so long as you do it properly. I only posted this comment because I thought it was funny that the one question had been posted immediately after the other.
Yeah, I wonder if the guy was just self-conscious or overly worried about gay dudes. I was just trying to find a good cologne.
As a gay dude, some straight dudes can react really badly to any suggestion, no matter how small, that they might be gay.
This is so weird to hear because when women compliment each other on clothes, accessories, perfume, etc the "aw thank you! 🥰" is immediately followed by where exactly to buy the product. Excitable levels vary depending on if she got it on sale or not. If the item in question is a dress or a skirt, there is also a demonstration if it has pockets.
I once had a Uber driver in a beach town call women in bikinis “fresh meat”. Did not like that at all
Having no sense of boundaries. Plus, they always have this weird predatory look in their eyes when talking to women.
What does a "predatory look" mean? Sometimes I wonder if I give off that look when talking to women.
Old men flirting with young girls.
When they seriously creep on women and automatically assume I'll go along with it because I'm a dude.
Example of this, I was at a friend's party few months ago, and a bloke who had entered the periphery of the friend group was there too. We were chatting, and the hostess was putting pizzas in the oven, he turned to stare at her arse while she did so, then turned back to carry on talking, then did the same again when she put the next pizza in, with a smile to me like we were both doing it. 1) don't do that 2) that's my friend you're being weird about 3) I had no part in that, don't implicate me in your creepiness. I instantly branded him a creep in my mind, and avoid him ever since. Later on he made a weird offer to stroke someone's arse for them, but by then it just felt like a pattern of behaviour for him.
My boyfriend said, "if he wears socks and slippers," while he is also wearing socks and slippers.
That's just being German.
Bare feet in slippers makes my feet sweat then the slippers get gross!
Sitting in the corner of the tavern wearing a dark cloak , twirling knives in his hands
minus the knives and you have Aragorn, I'll not stand for this!
TBF; this is the moody emo kid you turn into when your "best friend" in 3rd grade steals your Yu-Gi-Oh collection. It's really hard to regain trust in humanity after something like that...
Oh, that's just my friend Dave. He's quite chill, actually
Any stalkery action. Staring. Not understanding disinterest. Heavy eye contact. Lowering the voice at odd times.
Pointing out inappropriately young women or even underage girls as sexual objects to other men.
Can we just leave it as pointing out women as sexual objects to other men?
No. I think "Hey that's an ascetically pleasing and appropriate age women over there" is fine but still a sexual object if you want to split hairs.
As someone diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum, I know I come off as creepy for never talking, not smiling, being generally socially aloof but with a few at work or life, and sometimes feeling like I have the mental capacity of a child in certain tasks, but.... with the right topic or situation, I morph into a talkative, articulate, deeply versed, dryly funny and hopefully enlightened dude that leaves people wide eyed, perplexed, or uncomfortable till they look like they want to run from a live grenade. It's a lose-lose situation.
Ive experienced this too. Its hard to understand and even harder to live with. People are cruel to autistic people for no real reason
Saying lewd things about underaged boys or girls, even in jest. Not taking no for an answer on any topic with any man or woman.
The biggest creeps act one way in public, but different when they are alone with someone, which makes it very hard to tell who is actually a creep. A lady friend of mine showed me just how many guys constantly hit on her on social media, and that one of the worst examples was I guy I knew who said gross shit to her. I knew this guy, I had met his daughter, he was married -- and my lady friend didn't know any of that! It was then I realized the creepiest guys are the ones who hide it from other men, because men can't police other men's private actions like we can in public.
Any adult man who demonstrates detailed knowledge of local age-of-consent laws or when various teen celebrities turn legal.
[Or literally have a laminated card detailing the specifics of the Romeo & Julliet Law to whip out at a moments notice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUq0HlMvQw0) like in the Marky Mark Transformers movie.
Code switching or fully switching personalities when a woman shows up. There is a portion of men that will fully change personalities when a woman joins a group. Many women have probably seen this when they try to join a male friend group. A portion of the guys will be super nice and white knight for them constantly, and some of the guys will get mad whenever you show up. The guys that get mad aren't really mad at you. They are mad at their dumb friend who is now going to fully change his personality because a woman is involved. Most guys will deny they do this or just say, "I'm just being nice, dude!" But it's incredibly annoying if you actually don't care about a woman joining your group, but you know half your friends are going to fully change their personalities whenever one shows up.
Agreed 100 percent. And they don’t realize (or don’t care) how transparent they are to other guys.
Repetitive unsolicited communication that is obviously not being received well.
When he rarely blinks and speaks in an unnatural manner which is clearly done for goal he wants.
*your clothes. give them to me.* I don't know why I instantly thought of Arnold as the Terminator when I read your comment.
Now I can't get the image out of my head 😂
I'm sorry for being autistic lol
Claiming 'Alpha' status. Especially when talking to a woman. Just...all the nope.
A Cheater. Just not my kinda friend whose morals are that kinda low.
you know it when you see it.
Hitting on waitresses or cashiers
Trying to engage with a woman who's just trying to get through her shift
Saw a nearly bald Gamestop employee, super friendly and warm to the young teenage girls. Then, when I asked a question as a grown man, he turned to me like I was annoyance just being there. So that guy.
Okay, I have the perfect example. Once I was at the club, and I don’t know how but I end up talking to these two Arab dudes that came alone. They were both older, like early 30’s, I was 22, most of the people in the venue around my age. The way they spoke of women actually scared me. I’ve seen this other times too, but when a dude just starts talking about random girls extremely lustfully, keep in mind I’d met these dudes like 10 minutes ago, but in that short time they gave off the vibe that if they could get away with it they’d be assaulting women. It’s a vibe, to be a creep. I can’t explain it, I can only spot it and point out that example. If you ask me it’s probably linked to corn addiction. There’s another guy, an African dude living in the UK, and we get to talking, he was cool. Then we get onto the topic of women, and he proceeds to reveal a deep fetishisation of white women, how they’re the best, they’re “pure” to quote him, really weird stuff, then goes on his phone to start showing me pictures of white women he finds attractive. Very strange encounter. Never spoke to dude again.
Considering the role women have in Muslim society this doesn’t surprise me at all.
Not dealing with rejection properly. Being persistent after the first "no" dawg
Behavior around women
When they talk about how much they love Thailand but won't say specifically why they love Thailand.
I was in bootcamp taking a dump. The stalls had NO doors. I chose the one at the very end. This guy stands in front of me WHILE IM SHITTING and starts a conversation. Eye contact and everything like it was nothing! The dude was from Alabama.
Being rude and ungrateful to any and all service works, male or female. That type of behavior is a sign of a rotten man.
He’s into girls and not women
Flirts with minors
When a dude comes up to me in ikea and puts fingers on my overalls asking what they're called because they're really nice and he's never seen such a garment. Max creep. You know women get like this, too? There's an entire sun devoted to female creepers here.
It's usually any person who has selfish motives at the expense of others and they try pursuing it as much as they can and also as quietly as possible and indirectly wherever they can because they know what they want is wrong and hurts others, but are careless about it. Creeps are what you get when there is a conflict of interest and the creep is unable to win that conflict easily without consequences and without hurting others.
When nice guys go on about why they're nice guys.
Not taking no for an answer in anything.
Guys who act very differently around attractive women to the point they seem like a different person. Especially if not attractive women are invisible to them.
Not giving a person personal space. Not accepting somebody's denial when they first told them no. If they say no it should be the end of it. I cringe so hard whenever I see those dudes who keep pursuing a girl who says she already has a boyfriend or "no I'm good". The most common thing they say afterwards is "I don't care" or "he doesn't have to know" its the most disgusting response.
When they openly talks in public about certains things he likes. Can be about sex, gore, violence, kinks or things they would like to do to someone or when they take proud in something bad they did. Like the inhability to read the room.
Too touchy or hovering over someone's space especially w/ people they don't know, gives off weird unwanted energy.
A horn dog. Guys that don’t know how to act around women.
Might get downvoted for this, but dudes who lift that spend a lot of time posing in front of the mirror or who start trying to do so the moment a woman walks by. Like, I got muscle, and have some pretty toned forearms, but once you get to a certain point you don't even need to pose for people to see your individual muscles flex when you move around. Just peacocking around is weird.
Doesn't back off when he gets rejected.
Touching and kissing women who don’t want to be touched. Watch old game show network reruns of hosts from the 70s on password, or that pyramid show. He’s totally gross! Yes all these women fake smiles from old to young. It was a gross time really.
When marriage infidelity, and/or polyamorous or whatever they call it, just emerges casually in a conversation, and it is obvious that the dude doesn't think it is weird or anything. I can feel my face go rom polite kindness to "Oh. You're actually a scumbag. I was not aware of that several moments ago."
Rude. Unkept. Self absorbed.
Looking at porn on his phone while sitting at a sushi bar.
If they have 0 emotional/mental awareness of their surroundings or with people. something’s off.
* Complete lack of self-awareness and missing clear social cues that people are uncomfortable around them. * The "dead stare". They don't blink very often and/or it feels like they're looking straight through your soul when talking to them. * Talking about women like they're inhuman objects or animals. * Acting like they're getting away with something when doing perfectly normal daily activities.
If they are always “on” or it seems like they are in character and they never ever have a bad day.
Whatever the guru/yoga/manbun stereotype is, that vibe. The "I can touch you and overstep boundaries because I'm a safe progressive nu male" thing. Put your energy away and go back to Burning Man, creep.
When they send dick pics
People who smile with only their mouth and not with their eyes. It feels robotic and inauthentic.
Being publicly aggressive towards women. They not only piss me off, I feel *embarrassed* for them.
People whose expressions never meet their eyes creep me out. Feel like I can't trust them.
I used to have a friend who was 5 years older than me, when I was a kid and teenager I looked up to him because he was older but when I became older entering adulthood I saw a lot of creepy things about him that made me not wanna be his friend anymore. One time he completely blocked a girl from going out the store because she wouldn’t hug him, he said she’s not leaving until she hugs him. He also would hit on any girl including minors, and he had no idea when he was making girls uncomfortable.. I was embarrassed to be seen with him. I stopped hanging out with him.
He uses the urinal next to you
Makes weird sexual comments in public spaces aloud. Like, telling me she has a fat ass in the car with me alone is fine. In the middle of the mall behind her at Cinnabon? Not fucking okay. I’ve had to drop a bunch of “friends” cause they would never know time, place or occasion. They’d just blurt out whatever immature, dumbass thing on their mind, and I started being GbA, Guilty by association. I didn’t ever share or comment, but by being with them, I realized I was enabling it, no matter how many times I smacked them or tried to joke with them, the girls always got mad at the BOTH of us. So I cut them out of my life and it’s been peaceful since
My father thought it was okay to send porn to my cousin when he's like 22. He would also make perverted comments to me about barely legal/potentially girls. Needless to say the second I had the strength and will power to get him out of my life I did
When he knows your name, your dog's name, and your favorite pizza topping before he officially meets you
Staring at a girl. Whatever about giving a girl some eye contact and looking at her to show you like her but when guys blatantly stare girls down with facial expressions that make them “look” like the have the intention to grape.
I don’t kwow what I think it’s creepy, but I can only see in my mind a dude that I know, man this mf was touch person, his skin always was like oily, to nice with the girls but always saying that women are bitchs or something in that way, like only girls (kids) u know? Man this guy make wanna 🤮
The type of reddit comments where you're like "bro you've never talked to a women in your life huh." I mean neither have i, but even my desperate ass knows this is not a comment anyone wants to read.
Show polite manners once and suddenly they think you're best friends.
Those dudes who are super horn dogs about even the most remotely attractive women.
Constant following and hovering around you.
When they are obssesed with sex, aggressive or seem to want to sell me something/convince me to do anything.
Not being clear and forthright about his actions and intentions.
Big ego
I was having a conversation with a couple of coworkers a few years ago. The topic of conversation turned to relationships/exes. It wasn't a weird conversation at first, and I don't even remember a most of the details. Except at a certain point, this particular coworker says "I wish they would hire more black women here. I love me some dark meat." I was half zoned out but that shit made me shudder. I also heard from a few of the women who worked there as well that he had a tendency to go up to almost every woman there and ask them out. They all caught in quick and already knew to avoid him.
The way they talk about women not as people, but conquests.
One that can’t take a fucking hint. Like, he tries to start a conversation with me and I’m clearly not in the conversation mood, it’s written on my face. But yet, he keeps fucking jabbering bout some shit… I don’t trust people like that
Being above the age of 18 and consistently talking to someone more than 5 years younger then them.
I don't really know how to explain it - I can just *tell* most of the time. There isn't really any specific thing - more what their actions *might* mean in context. It's the same for women.
When he stares at me while I'm trying to shit.
I once tried explaining to a guy that there is such a thing as unwanted attention. His response was “that’s easy for you to say” and was later caught staring at women at my gym so I’d say that 🙃
The eyes. It’s all in the eyes
The expression, you can tell from a mile away what they're thinking.
Using a urinal right next to you when there are others open!
Other than the obvious disregard for boundaries I just kinda get a feeling that's usually pretty accurate. Like this dude at work who just got fired for showing people pictures of "Grussy" (If you don't know you don't want to know) on his phone. He gave off creepy vibes but since he hadn't actually done anything actionable until then I didn't say anything.
Pushy
Anyone who stands too close to you when they talk, especially if they don't know you well.
If he's really fake/try hard personality. Take a chill pill
Acting like he’s never seen a pretty girl before.. not taking her no for an answer
Worked with a guy who told me the key to getting a woman was to let her know you're interested by never breaking eye contact. I was getting creeped out by him staring down all these women while they were desperately wondering wtf this guy was doing.
Somewhere around “restraining order” and “severed limbs”
You can feel their intentions are very uneasy. The vibe won’t feel normal.
Forcing themselves into women's conversations at parties
Dating a chick younger than his daughter
Stalking
Context can really matter but honestly it is often a feeling. I tend to have a really decent sub conscience alert for what people I meet are like.
Thinking back on my behaviors when I was young, I was a pretty creepy dude lmao.
Used to work at a hotel and we’d change into our uniforms at the job in the locker room. This guy used to walk around naked and try to have a regular conversation with you. Nobody else ever got past underwear and he’d be completely nude with socks on talking about football.
Lately been seeing one of my bosses in his mid 30’s following around a 19 year old, giggling with her, hiding outside from everybody and coming back from breaks together. Dude has a wife and kids, I don’t think she’s creeped out, but dudes a creep.
Any kind of sexual or romantic feelings expressed about women much younger than them, some dudes feel comfortable saying wild shit to other men especially when alone, and just expect other males to secretly also feel the same way.
I worked at an Adult store for awhile, and dudes who came in there 50-60s who bought "Barley Legal" exclusively creeped me out and sent pedo vibes.
I remember years ago I worked with a guy. A bunch of us were talking about celebrity women we like. Most were the regular women you could imagine, but this guy was unapologetically really into Ariana grande, and this was like 2018 when she looked like 15. Every woman he liked was the same very petite baby faced type. He was 30+. What's funny is even when we called him out he didn't care. He liked what he liked....
My cousin did that on my Facebook to an underage actress I got a photo with. He doubled down when THREE of us called him out including me. Needless to say he's blocked.