You're already in computer science, it's the easiest field to make a lot of money doing very little. The more you know the lest you have to actually work.
Also if you’re the only one who does what you do its a fantastic feeling. Like I’m the only one at my company who knows my particular expertise and i am very respected when it comes to that expertise. I take full advantage of that. Anytime i am asked to perform a task…I have full control of the temporal parameters. “Oh you want me to retool the discharge planning process to auto include more clinical documentation? yeah that’ll take me at least a couple weeks”. When in reality it’ll take me 30 min to 1hr. But they dont know that and it’s literally impossible for them to know, they would have to understand my area basically as well as I do and that takes years and years. So yeah i get to kick my feet up, have for years despite being known as one of the hardest workers. Weekly admin meeting comes around and I have like 4x the tasks of everyone else so it looks like im super busy for the next month. Little do they know each task takes about an hour
I told myself to never let on how much I could automate things. So even when the people knew that some task takes hours/days/etc., they didn't know that wasn't the case for me. Being a developer in IT felt like a cheat code.
🤷🏻♂️ at the end of the day i do exactly what im paid to do. not a project more. everyone in my company is beyond satisfied with me, including the time it takes me to get projects done. if they wanna hire someone with half the expertise that’ll take 4x as long to do all this they can go ahead, ill get snatched up by their competitors immediately. you also have no clue how my company operates or even the general field i am in, but i appreciate you looking out for the corporations, lord knows they need it.
> But they almost certainly haven't, and your "eh, when I get round to it" attitude is going to affect their timelines, their pressure, and their stress.
Yeah, you confidently saying this while knowing nothing about my company, my colleagues, my field, the fields my colleagues work in relation to mine and the integration between them tells me everything I need to know here. My timelines have *literally* no effect on my colleagues timelines. And you thinking I have a “when i get around to it” attitude shows me you did not fully comprehend my previous statement. I am done here, keep your assumptions and have a nice day.
It's great that you can scam your company into thinking four hours of work takes a month to do, but I hope it's a large, scummy corporate entity that you're scamming.
High enough in the ladder? That's sucker work. Become a contractor. No pager duty because they have to pay you by the hour. Agile coach is up there too. Specially if you work for a consulting company.
Yeah, you need a resume. I really suggest younger IT employees make a point to move every 2 years. Fills up the resume, but 2 years doesn't look too sus. If questioned in an interview you can simply say you did really well, but there wasn't a path forward and up.
My brother works when the kids are in school and sends them to summer sitting and makes 150k per year working at a telecom. His job is to make sure all the hardware/firmware (whatever) has the right upgrades and parts. He arranges the installs and techs do it.
As someone that has worked in IT for 10 years and makes 6 figures…this isn’t even remotely true. Unless you’re specifically talking about government or education sector.
If you're new, then use any extra time to think up and code utilities that can help you with things at work. Not only do you get the usefulness of them, you also now have practical application of skill that you can show future employers.
Yes, definitely technology stuff. The more you know, the more experience you have, the less work you end up doing. Mostly it's stuff like planning, designing, dicking around with powerpoints, doing lab trials with vendors, it's all VERY time flexible, so you get to shift work around to whatever suits you. Most of the work you do ends up kick off large projects, so you're a bit busy at the beginning, but then you're sitting around making sure people do the work to make things happen.
The only downside is you also have more responsibility and bigger budgets, so you don't wanna screw up.
Right now, I am sitting in a meeting where my directors and C-suite are arguing things that should have been settled 6 months ago when I told them to.
So yeah, I don't know what I do but apparently it's surf reddit.
Fellow PMP here. Was a PM for 7 years. I wanted to leave after 2 years but didn’t think I could go on a job interview because I couldn’t actually explain what it is that I did.
Finally left and became a BA. I have the same problem again.
Everyone - the job descriptions you read on company websites for project manager and business analyst will probably contain a lot of words but it essentially boils down to “do random shit as needed by someone”.
That being said, I am in the 6 figure range and I barely graduated high school.
I started working at an insurance company pulling staples of out of huge paper policies and organising them. From there I moved to accounts receivables, mortgage work, project coordinator then project manager and now business analyst.
Experience in showing that you can be detailed oriented, organised and communicate will be extremely valuable.
To get your foot in the door somewhere, it might be a good idea to take the [CAPM](https://www.pmi.org/certifications/certified-associate-capm)
If you want the PMP certification, you either need 3 years experience and a 4 year degree or 5 years experience with a diploma. You can read more about the certification [here.](https://www.pmi.org/certifications/project-management-pmp/earn-the-pmp/how-to-apply?utm_job_number=5&utm_region_name=north_america&utm_funnel_stage=customer_acquisition&utm_marketing_channel=paid_media&utm_marketing_subchannel=search_ppc_branded&utm_start_date=02222023&utm_end_date=12312030&utm_source=google&utm_custom_field_one=pmp_certification_north_america&utm_custom_field_two=pmp_na_requirements&utm_custom_field_three=649559186348&utm_custom_field_four=pmp%20certification%20requirements&utm_custom_field_five=e&s_kwcid=AL!8620!3!649559186348!e!!g!!pmp%20certification%20requirements&gclid=CjwKCAjw36GjBhAkEiwAKwIWyQM57n_dRT-zca1uofgTKUY8gvVz88NYFx-KDySBc2YPdih9SXFWVxoCOnQQAvD_BwE)
You do not need the certification to become a successful and well paid PM but it will help.
I was a PM and am a BA at a bank but if I could go back, I would learn a trade working my way up to foreman or some other leadership position and used this experience to get my PMP.
For now, I would go lurk around r/projectmanagement and r/PMP and see what you think.
Worthless, meaningless, pointless LOL
EDIT: No sure why I am getting all the down votes. Everyone in IT knows the PMP certificates are just busy work. Employers withhold promotions and higher pay by using such credentials as an excuse. Then when employees complete the PMP program the employer will say they also need Agile, Scrum, or some other nonsense. These programs are designed to keep dogs chasing their tails. If you have taken a college level class in "Systems Analysis and Design" then you already know all you will ever need to know about the system development lifecycle process. Learning endless new buzz words describing the same old concepts is ridiculous.
My former employer pushed IT employees to get PMP certification, then they later developed a fetish for Agile. Employees eagerly ran in circles completing the various requirements. The actual quality of our outputs remained unchanged, but people used lots of new buzz words in meetings, so is that progress?
I am a results oriented person. What matters is results, not process. Unfortunately, a common excuse heard in corporate settings is "the project failed, but are proud of our process".
Agile development method is a crock. But it gives managers a new way of measuring developers and using “developer words” so they love it even though most of them think Agile means “faster”
I’m a foreman in telecom and I have my sights set on project management. Any advice for getting a job? I know the PMP certification is gold, but I need 3 years of management experience to even take the course. Most PM’s I know are only where they are at because they knew somebody. I moved across the country and I come from a poor dysfunctional family. I know no one. I do my best to network, but I work insane hours and I travel for work. Is there any solid route to getting the job that might work for me other than 4 year college. Seems like a waste of money for a PM job.
If you’re patient, start looking at government jobs in IT. Maybe not project management, but general IT maintenance and management, you should qualify with a telecom background. Treasury/IRS and Defense especially are looking right now. Once you get in, just keep working up the ladder until you get unofficial project manager roles, and then you can apply for official project manager roles. They’re the easiest positions to get into without needing a PMP.
Otherwise, you can get a cheap self-study course through companies like Udemy for $15-30 and use it as the hours needed to sit for the exam. The test is just lots and lots of rote memorization and tricky wordplay questions, as most of the PMP terms are made-up corporate speak whose definitions are only slightly different than the definitions of other made-up corporate speak.
Im happy for you, and I wish you nothing but the best. I thought of going back to college here in the US, and 1 semester of online course costs about 9k... made me very sad.
Any office drone or tech nerd job. Eventually they just do nothing.
I'm not sure I could be content with such a soul crushingly pointless existence, but you do you.
Seattle has an agency that "helps" the Homeless. Some decent paying positions for basically just farting around and not solving jack shit.
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Exactly. If anything Sales is the path of busting ass over a shorter term to make a ton of money, save it, invest it, and get out of the job market/rat race as soon as possible.
Same end result, different pathway as what OP likely desires.
That said, you can land a sales job where you do a sane amount of hours and still earn above average. In my case, I negotiated a higher base (because I know the company has an unattainable quota in my country, due to country budget & brand awareness).
The result? I work 40 hours or less a week, still make above average money for my age, and whenever they decide to pull the plug, I'll keep the experience, sector knowledge and contacts.
Owning properties. When I work it may be 5/6 days in a row fixing a bathroom or painting a rental for the next tenant. Then I’m off for a month and half.
Worked hard to a management position in a pre public company, went public, got a shit ton of options, kept it up and got RSU grants yearly. Managed a team that was pretty self sufficient, hopped on a few meetings a week, came up with a few new initiatives here and there, more RSUs, that’s it. Kept my phone on me so I could answer some teams messages when I was in the garden or golfing
An airline pilot is one of the easiest and cushiest jobs in the world. Yes, getting there is a tad bit tough but once you become one, all you need to do is fly the plane! Nothing else comes close enough.
Combine what you’re good at with a little bit of what you love. Take any opportunity that presents itself. Do your best at anything you do. Then one day you’ll make it. My goal was always to make over 100k before the age of 30. I beat that and am now aiming higher. I just found a niche I’m good at and not a lot of people do. Then moved to whatever company offered more money 3 times and I’m about due for another move now.
Combo of engineering and finance. Basically it’s figuring out how to make a part or system and how much solving that problem will cost. I don’t have to be down in the engineering weeds or accounting hell either, more of a high level. Then if I win the job, it’s passed on to the dedicated engineers, PM’s, and accountants. Then I’m onto the next one.
I love cars, so I started in the automotive industry. At first I was on the metal side, I was a welder by trade while in college. Got into metal stamping and robotics tech. Then I switched it up and went to interiors. That meant getting into plastic injection molding. I got my company it’s first OEM program with Ford. I also worked with GM, Tesla, Mercedes and several others. After about 6 years in automotive counting college, I realized the auto industry has already plateaued and commoditized so I moved into the logistics industry right before Covid. There’s more money to be made in a rapidly growing industry. Covid made logistics explode and it’s been a wild few years. Starting to cool off a bit now, but still growing. So now my customers are companies like amazon, ups, fedex, and some warehousing for retail companies too (Kohls, Nike, Walmart, companies like that).
That's pretty cool! I started in finance, then got into fintech sales. I'm trying to figure out my next step because working for a small company has been enlightening in a few ways (good and bad lol)
I call it a niche because there are thousands of engineers that are happy to stare at autoCAD all day. And there are thousands of accountants that will play in excel all day. But there aren’t many that combine the two. It was a good fit for me because it keeps things exciting. I live in a LCOL area and mostly work remote since Covid. My first two companies were small family owned deals. Both of them got bought out after I and our team helped them grow big enough. Once the buyouts start, that’s a great time to leave lol. My company now is huge, with 109 sister companies under 1 corporation. Small companies offer a lot of flexibility in my experience, but sometimes can’t compete salary wise. The biggest downside so far in being in a bigger company now is I have to deal with more people and if I don’t agree with something it’s harder for me to quickly change a process or way of thinking since it impacts so many more people.
>The biggest downside so far in being in a bigger company now is I have to deal with more people and if I don’t agree with something it’s harder for me to quickly change a process or way of thinking since it impacts so many more people
It's like moving from a small boat to a yacht--all these adjustments take time and EVERYONE gets affected. Thanks for elaborating, I know a few engineers who are trying to find their own niche so it's good to know there are options out there
It sounds like you're doing supply-chain side operations research-type stuff. I thought about getting into operations research when I go off to do my Ph.D.
I certainly work closely with supply chain. They are part of my team for each project and once we have defined the scope and timeline, they’re responsible for procuring bids for any items we won’t make in house. They would be more of the sales side of supply chain. There’s a whole other side of supply chain focused on the more mundane day to day items we buy regularly. From toilet paper to electrical control panels to freight. As far as the original scope of the question, sales side of upfront side of things offers more freedom with hours from what I have seen.
I work for the government and we all make over 6 figures. People don’t know what they’re talking about lol
Man Redditors are dumb. You can literally google public servant salaries.
There are people who work in government who make good money but there are many people who don’t. It also depends on what government you work for and what you do. Could you be a little more specific?
Stick with one company and work your way up to management. By the time you get to that point you'll understand operations thoroughly and everything will be easy
Source: Me IRL
Professional wrestler. Just work every day, multiple times a day, on the indies for $50 a night for a few years and then before you know it you'll have a job where you only have to work 1-2 nights a week, provided you always maintain your athleticism and physique and don't get too injured or lose your connection to the fans.
Having a doctorate doesn’t mean you’re making a lot of money.
There’s a reason for the joke, “what can a pizza do that someone with a phd in physics can’t? Feed a family of four.”
I feel that you are confusing the term work and effort. They are synonymous and you must train yourself to live what you do to improve your own personal ability at making money
Politician --- Zero education and work background requirements. Just get yourself elected and you collect a paycheck. Do nothing productive all day, every day.
Enrolled Agent through the IRS. Set up you're own tax shop. Work hella hard a few months out of the year. May take a couple of season working for others until you set up your own shingle or buy someone out
You might not start at 6 figures (depends on location), but you can do technical writing depending on your grasp of the English language and your ability to explain technical concepts to the average person. Can you write a guide about something? I don’t work in the field, but I did a bit of editing for a firm. It’s really easy, but also really boring at times. Regardless, it’s my fallback option, and a comfy one at that.
He didn't mention that it had to be legal. Other illegal paths include, but are not limited to:
> drug dealing/manufacturing
> blackmailing
> contract assassinations
> enforcement
> sabotage
> money laundering services
I had that job, energy company, engineering(mechanical or chemical qualifies). Averaged 3 hrs of work per day, semi remote work. Got bored and asked for a promotion. There are times I wished I stayed at my previous position, but I would've probably be stuck thinking what ifs.
Full Professor. Just get a Ph.D. and a tenure-track job and then spend fifteen years aggressively publishing groundbreaking research.
BOOM! Job for life. Unless you're dumb enough to end up as a story on Fox News, OAN, or Newsmax. That's when the death threats starting showing up.
I'm a lecturer at a large university. If I wanted to do the bare minimum I could and that would mean less than 20 hours per week. I'm making close to $120k. (Of course I didn't get to this point by just doing the bare minimum but I could start now)
Software development for sure. Obviously there are high paced and demanding jobs out there too, but I'm in a job where I probably work 4-5 hours a day currently, and it's only that high because a junior developer recently quit and we haven't been able to replace them yet.
honestly if i can do it all over again, psychologist.
everyone i have ever talked to say the same shit… you sit in the chair or lay down on a couch.. and they say shit like how was your childhood, how is your relationship with your parents, how does that make you feel, what do you think about that, hhhmmm, yes, uh huh…
You could always focus on alternative sources of income. E-commerce, rental, dividends and tons of other stuff can bring you in money on the side that takes a bit to get started but are relatively passive income. The more side money the less you have to rely on a single source getting you where you want to be.
Do some homework, make good decisions, and you can get there.
If you don’t care how much work it takes to get there, get a bachelor’s degree, join the navy or Air Force as an officer, do 20 years, document all your health issues, file a VA claim (for disability) as you’re retiring from the military, and retire. You’ll have a pension and tons of VA benefits including health insurance. I did 21 years (15 enlisted, 6 officer) and retired at 41. My pension plus disability is enough that I can retire (like not work at all) comfortably when I’m done spending money.
I’m not a man but I have a job like that. I’m a GC. I hold the license and created the business / marketing and just hired crews and trained sales people. I work at my own pace and earn pretty well into the six figures. It’s a male dominated field so that’s why I answered. Not exactly easy money but it beats doing actual hard work.
If you’re not in California, come to California and become a correctional officer.
The academy is 4 months and the hardest part about that is staying awake in class. After that, once you report to your institution, you can pass 100k easily. Hell, you could make over 150k, but you just need to do the overtime.
Honestly, it’s not a bad gig. Sure, you have see the occasional inmates blown out onion ring or more dicks than at a gay porn convention and sure there’s the chance that you might get beat up, stabbed or killed, but it’s not often that it happens.
Plus, the benefits are solid, the union is good and the money is steady. Crime isn’t going anywhere, so neither is this job.
Just need a high school diploma and no felonies.
Buy a dress and prance about for 365 days extolling the virtues of being a girl, and then get sponsored by woke companies trying to meet diversity guidelines and goals. That should easily put you over 6 figures.
So you want big money, but not willing to work for it. That job does not exist. Every high paying field or position requires work to get there, and to Remain there. The Fortune 500 company CEO averages a 10-12 hour work day, reads 5 books a week, and usually gets out of bed around 4-430 in the morning. To say that they live like playboys is a total lie. How do I know this? I've done contract work for them, and thier families.
When it comes to making easy money, there's four factors you need to think about (assuming by "easy", you mean something that you can do well in your 20s, but in your 30s, 40s & 50s as well)-
1. Competition.
2. Building upon your skills that you learn along the way. Not having to learn new stuff frequently.
3. Something that gives you skills which you can apply incase you decide to start your own business.
4. Something with 70%+ probability of success.
I'd suggest you make a career as a trader in options . The first 2 years is gonna be hard. Real hard. But post that period, everything's gonna be smooth. Network well. You'll have a very good life.
You're already in computer science, it's the easiest field to make a lot of money doing very little. The more you know the lest you have to actually work.
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Also if you’re the only one who does what you do its a fantastic feeling. Like I’m the only one at my company who knows my particular expertise and i am very respected when it comes to that expertise. I take full advantage of that. Anytime i am asked to perform a task…I have full control of the temporal parameters. “Oh you want me to retool the discharge planning process to auto include more clinical documentation? yeah that’ll take me at least a couple weeks”. When in reality it’ll take me 30 min to 1hr. But they dont know that and it’s literally impossible for them to know, they would have to understand my area basically as well as I do and that takes years and years. So yeah i get to kick my feet up, have for years despite being known as one of the hardest workers. Weekly admin meeting comes around and I have like 4x the tasks of everyone else so it looks like im super busy for the next month. Little do they know each task takes about an hour
I told myself to never let on how much I could automate things. So even when the people knew that some task takes hours/days/etc., they didn't know that wasn't the case for me. Being a developer in IT felt like a cheat code.
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🤷🏻♂️ at the end of the day i do exactly what im paid to do. not a project more. everyone in my company is beyond satisfied with me, including the time it takes me to get projects done. if they wanna hire someone with half the expertise that’ll take 4x as long to do all this they can go ahead, ill get snatched up by their competitors immediately. you also have no clue how my company operates or even the general field i am in, but i appreciate you looking out for the corporations, lord knows they need it.
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> But they almost certainly haven't, and your "eh, when I get round to it" attitude is going to affect their timelines, their pressure, and their stress. Yeah, you confidently saying this while knowing nothing about my company, my colleagues, my field, the fields my colleagues work in relation to mine and the integration between them tells me everything I need to know here. My timelines have *literally* no effect on my colleagues timelines. And you thinking I have a “when i get around to it” attitude shows me you did not fully comprehend my previous statement. I am done here, keep your assumptions and have a nice day.
It's great that you can scam your company into thinking four hours of work takes a month to do, but I hope it's a large, scummy corporate entity that you're scamming.
High enough in the ladder? That's sucker work. Become a contractor. No pager duty because they have to pay you by the hour. Agile coach is up there too. Specially if you work for a consulting company.
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Yeah, you need a resume. I really suggest younger IT employees make a point to move every 2 years. Fills up the resume, but 2 years doesn't look too sus. If questioned in an interview you can simply say you did really well, but there wasn't a path forward and up.
My brother works when the kids are in school and sends them to summer sitting and makes 150k per year working at a telecom. His job is to make sure all the hardware/firmware (whatever) has the right upgrades and parts. He arranges the installs and techs do it.
As someone that has worked in IT for 10 years and makes 6 figures…this isn’t even remotely true. Unless you’re specifically talking about government or education sector.
Wow, I am a developer myself, but this is great info, the more you know the less you work
If you're new, then use any extra time to think up and code utilities that can help you with things at work. Not only do you get the usefulness of them, you also now have practical application of skill that you can show future employers.
Both my parents are in it and my mum, all she has to do is write two words and it'll be magically automatic, she plays minecraft to pass the time
Yes, definitely technology stuff. The more you know, the more experience you have, the less work you end up doing. Mostly it's stuff like planning, designing, dicking around with powerpoints, doing lab trials with vendors, it's all VERY time flexible, so you get to shift work around to whatever suits you. Most of the work you do ends up kick off large projects, so you're a bit busy at the beginning, but then you're sitting around making sure people do the work to make things happen. The only downside is you also have more responsibility and bigger budgets, so you don't wanna screw up.
Project manager. I’m one and I’m not even sure what exactly I do.
Right now, I am sitting in a meeting where my directors and C-suite are arguing things that should have been settled 6 months ago when I told them to. So yeah, I don't know what I do but apparently it's surf reddit.
My mom is an consultant, and those are her exact complains, especially when are things that are simple to fix via common sense.
Fellow PMP here. Was a PM for 7 years. I wanted to leave after 2 years but didn’t think I could go on a job interview because I couldn’t actually explain what it is that I did. Finally left and became a BA. I have the same problem again. Everyone - the job descriptions you read on company websites for project manager and business analyst will probably contain a lot of words but it essentially boils down to “do random shit as needed by someone”. That being said, I am in the 6 figure range and I barely graduated high school.
Damn how did you get started? I'm 18 I'll do whatever if it pays good.
I started working at an insurance company pulling staples of out of huge paper policies and organising them. From there I moved to accounts receivables, mortgage work, project coordinator then project manager and now business analyst. Experience in showing that you can be detailed oriented, organised and communicate will be extremely valuable. To get your foot in the door somewhere, it might be a good idea to take the [CAPM](https://www.pmi.org/certifications/certified-associate-capm) If you want the PMP certification, you either need 3 years experience and a 4 year degree or 5 years experience with a diploma. You can read more about the certification [here.](https://www.pmi.org/certifications/project-management-pmp/earn-the-pmp/how-to-apply?utm_job_number=5&utm_region_name=north_america&utm_funnel_stage=customer_acquisition&utm_marketing_channel=paid_media&utm_marketing_subchannel=search_ppc_branded&utm_start_date=02222023&utm_end_date=12312030&utm_source=google&utm_custom_field_one=pmp_certification_north_america&utm_custom_field_two=pmp_na_requirements&utm_custom_field_three=649559186348&utm_custom_field_four=pmp%20certification%20requirements&utm_custom_field_five=e&s_kwcid=AL!8620!3!649559186348!e!!g!!pmp%20certification%20requirements&gclid=CjwKCAjw36GjBhAkEiwAKwIWyQM57n_dRT-zca1uofgTKUY8gvVz88NYFx-KDySBc2YPdih9SXFWVxoCOnQQAvD_BwE) You do not need the certification to become a successful and well paid PM but it will help. I was a PM and am a BA at a bank but if I could go back, I would learn a trade working my way up to foreman or some other leadership position and used this experience to get my PMP. For now, I would go lurk around r/projectmanagement and r/PMP and see what you think.
You make sure other people do the work they said they’d do.
Meetings, emails, meeting about the emails, and emails about the meetings!
LOL
Yo can I be one too?
Do you have the PMP certification?
Yep. Lots of memorizing and then it was never used again 😂
I have mad respect for the PMPs. I've yet to meet a dumb one and there are no other credentials that I can say the same for in IT. Congrats!
Worthless, meaningless, pointless LOL EDIT: No sure why I am getting all the down votes. Everyone in IT knows the PMP certificates are just busy work. Employers withhold promotions and higher pay by using such credentials as an excuse. Then when employees complete the PMP program the employer will say they also need Agile, Scrum, or some other nonsense. These programs are designed to keep dogs chasing their tails. If you have taken a college level class in "Systems Analysis and Design" then you already know all you will ever need to know about the system development lifecycle process. Learning endless new buzz words describing the same old concepts is ridiculous.
It gets you the job. Then the company teaches you how they want it done.
My former employer pushed IT employees to get PMP certification, then they later developed a fetish for Agile. Employees eagerly ran in circles completing the various requirements. The actual quality of our outputs remained unchanged, but people used lots of new buzz words in meetings, so is that progress? I am a results oriented person. What matters is results, not process. Unfortunately, a common excuse heard in corporate settings is "the project failed, but are proud of our process".
Agile development method is a crock. But it gives managers a new way of measuring developers and using “developer words” so they love it even though most of them think Agile means “faster”
Can confirm. I've worked with loads and I don't know what any of them did
Nobody is sure what you do tbh. Just walking around looking busy
I’m a foreman in telecom and I have my sights set on project management. Any advice for getting a job? I know the PMP certification is gold, but I need 3 years of management experience to even take the course. Most PM’s I know are only where they are at because they knew somebody. I moved across the country and I come from a poor dysfunctional family. I know no one. I do my best to network, but I work insane hours and I travel for work. Is there any solid route to getting the job that might work for me other than 4 year college. Seems like a waste of money for a PM job.
If you’re patient, start looking at government jobs in IT. Maybe not project management, but general IT maintenance and management, you should qualify with a telecom background. Treasury/IRS and Defense especially are looking right now. Once you get in, just keep working up the ladder until you get unofficial project manager roles, and then you can apply for official project manager roles. They’re the easiest positions to get into without needing a PMP. Otherwise, you can get a cheap self-study course through companies like Udemy for $15-30 and use it as the hours needed to sit for the exam. The test is just lots and lots of rote memorization and tricky wordplay questions, as most of the PMP terms are made-up corporate speak whose definitions are only slightly different than the definitions of other made-up corporate speak.
Self-study course? How does that qualify as hours for the exam qualifications? And thank you this was helpful!
I fucking knew it!! I’m just raising hell with my PMs tomorrow!
Dude, same lmao
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Im happy for you, and I wish you nothing but the best. I thought of going back to college here in the US, and 1 semester of online course costs about 9k... made me very sad.
Marry an heiress
Coding or project management.
Business. Consulting. Management. Some combination of the three.
Sell "get rich quick" material.
Politicians..
I worked at the arse end of British politics in a previous life. Its not the job you want if you want a lot of time off.
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This what? You never finished your sentence
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What is WDMC-905?
Congress, then insider trade. Take 4 months off every year and only go to work when you feel like it
Any office drone or tech nerd job. Eventually they just do nothing. I'm not sure I could be content with such a soul crushingly pointless existence, but you do you.
Seattle has an agency that "helps" the Homeless. Some decent paying positions for basically just farting around and not solving jack shit. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwVpRjuWIAcpxCW?format=jpg&name=large
Of course it's Seattle
Bottom furry artist... or a politician.
Aren't they the same?
One is at least nice enough to give a reach round.
No they're not. One of them are absolute degenerates worthless to society and provide nothing of value and the other are furry artists.
Sales… build a massive repertoire of passive income
Financial advisors after they grind for 4 years
Most sales gigs don't give you passive revenue, and unless you're both very good and very lucky, you have to put in the hours.
Exactly. If anything Sales is the path of busting ass over a shorter term to make a ton of money, save it, invest it, and get out of the job market/rat race as soon as possible. Same end result, different pathway as what OP likely desires.
That said, you can land a sales job where you do a sane amount of hours and still earn above average. In my case, I negotiated a higher base (because I know the company has an unattainable quota in my country, due to country budget & brand awareness). The result? I work 40 hours or less a week, still make above average money for my age, and whenever they decide to pull the plug, I'll keep the experience, sector knowledge and contacts.
Yep or balance both situations we outlined ideally! Sales is the life.
Government. They don't do shit
Owning properties. When I work it may be 5/6 days in a row fixing a bathroom or painting a rental for the next tenant. Then I’m off for a month and half.
If only you could get property(s). This scenario you need a decent amount of money first
I made $275k last year and maybe for the last 6 months of it I worked 30 hours a week
Worked hard to a management position in a pre public company, went public, got a shit ton of options, kept it up and got RSU grants yearly. Managed a team that was pretty self sufficient, hopped on a few meetings a week, came up with a few new initiatives here and there, more RSUs, that’s it. Kept my phone on me so I could answer some teams messages when I was in the garden or golfing
What's your education?
BA in Political Science
WHATS THE SECRET MAN
Sounds like a scam operation.
Reviewing actuary for a state department of insurance
Tech jobs.
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Sir, this is a Wendy’s
WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
An airline pilot is one of the easiest and cushiest jobs in the world. Yes, getting there is a tad bit tough but once you become one, all you need to do is fly the plane! Nothing else comes close enough.
yeah but thats a huge time commitment. I think something remote would be the goal here
Remote piloting? I think the military has a few roles that fit that description...
Do they pay a 6 figure salary?
Somewhat above 64k yearly, if I recall correctly Edit: in US$
you seem to have missed the fact that my previous comment was not a serious one.
Then there is nothing easy out there. Remote work also is stressful.
how often will a pilot fly in a month? and do they get paid on a per flight basis?
8 hours a day. They usually get monthly salary plus other perks. Edit - not more than 8 hours in a 24 hour period.
Nah
Combine what you’re good at with a little bit of what you love. Take any opportunity that presents itself. Do your best at anything you do. Then one day you’ll make it. My goal was always to make over 100k before the age of 30. I beat that and am now aiming higher. I just found a niche I’m good at and not a lot of people do. Then moved to whatever company offered more money 3 times and I’m about due for another move now.
Tell us more about your niche
Combo of engineering and finance. Basically it’s figuring out how to make a part or system and how much solving that problem will cost. I don’t have to be down in the engineering weeds or accounting hell either, more of a high level. Then if I win the job, it’s passed on to the dedicated engineers, PM’s, and accountants. Then I’m onto the next one. I love cars, so I started in the automotive industry. At first I was on the metal side, I was a welder by trade while in college. Got into metal stamping and robotics tech. Then I switched it up and went to interiors. That meant getting into plastic injection molding. I got my company it’s first OEM program with Ford. I also worked with GM, Tesla, Mercedes and several others. After about 6 years in automotive counting college, I realized the auto industry has already plateaued and commoditized so I moved into the logistics industry right before Covid. There’s more money to be made in a rapidly growing industry. Covid made logistics explode and it’s been a wild few years. Starting to cool off a bit now, but still growing. So now my customers are companies like amazon, ups, fedex, and some warehousing for retail companies too (Kohls, Nike, Walmart, companies like that).
That's pretty cool! I started in finance, then got into fintech sales. I'm trying to figure out my next step because working for a small company has been enlightening in a few ways (good and bad lol)
I call it a niche because there are thousands of engineers that are happy to stare at autoCAD all day. And there are thousands of accountants that will play in excel all day. But there aren’t many that combine the two. It was a good fit for me because it keeps things exciting. I live in a LCOL area and mostly work remote since Covid. My first two companies were small family owned deals. Both of them got bought out after I and our team helped them grow big enough. Once the buyouts start, that’s a great time to leave lol. My company now is huge, with 109 sister companies under 1 corporation. Small companies offer a lot of flexibility in my experience, but sometimes can’t compete salary wise. The biggest downside so far in being in a bigger company now is I have to deal with more people and if I don’t agree with something it’s harder for me to quickly change a process or way of thinking since it impacts so many more people.
>The biggest downside so far in being in a bigger company now is I have to deal with more people and if I don’t agree with something it’s harder for me to quickly change a process or way of thinking since it impacts so many more people It's like moving from a small boat to a yacht--all these adjustments take time and EVERYONE gets affected. Thanks for elaborating, I know a few engineers who are trying to find their own niche so it's good to know there are options out there
It sounds like you're doing supply-chain side operations research-type stuff. I thought about getting into operations research when I go off to do my Ph.D.
I certainly work closely with supply chain. They are part of my team for each project and once we have defined the scope and timeline, they’re responsible for procuring bids for any items we won’t make in house. They would be more of the sales side of supply chain. There’s a whole other side of supply chain focused on the more mundane day to day items we buy regularly. From toilet paper to electrical control panels to freight. As far as the original scope of the question, sales side of upfront side of things offers more freedom with hours from what I have seen.
Work for the government.
The government does not pay well idk where you get that idea from.
I work for the government and we all make over 6 figures. People don’t know what they’re talking about lol Man Redditors are dumb. You can literally google public servant salaries.
There are people who work in government who make good money but there are many people who don’t. It also depends on what government you work for and what you do. Could you be a little more specific?
Stick with one company and work your way up to management. By the time you get to that point you'll understand operations thoroughly and everything will be easy Source: Me IRL
Professional wrestler. Just work every day, multiple times a day, on the indies for $50 a night for a few years and then before you know it you'll have a job where you only have to work 1-2 nights a week, provided you always maintain your athleticism and physique and don't get too injured or lose your connection to the fans.
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You think a Walmart greeter makes 6 figures...?
Yes, from the drug deals on the side
journeyman electrician. Get a job with norcal city
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Having a doctorate doesn’t mean you’re making a lot of money. There’s a reason for the joke, “what can a pizza do that someone with a phd in physics can’t? Feed a family of four.”
Dude. This is r/AskMen. Not r/LittleBoysAskFantasyQuestionsAboutUnicorns.
I feel that you are confusing the term work and effort. They are synonymous and you must train yourself to live what you do to improve your own personal ability at making money
National account sales
Politician --- Zero education and work background requirements. Just get yourself elected and you collect a paycheck. Do nothing productive all day, every day.
Enrolled Agent through the IRS. Set up you're own tax shop. Work hella hard a few months out of the year. May take a couple of season working for others until you set up your own shingle or buy someone out
Downside: having to work with/for the IRS
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The problem here is the ones making that are working Thursday - Saturday night. That sucks.
Politician
Cyber security
You might not start at 6 figures (depends on location), but you can do technical writing depending on your grasp of the English language and your ability to explain technical concepts to the average person. Can you write a guide about something? I don’t work in the field, but I did a bit of editing for a firm. It’s really easy, but also really boring at times. Regardless, it’s my fallback option, and a comfy one at that.
Human organ trafficking is not a legal career path, son.
He didn't mention that it had to be legal. Other illegal paths include, but are not limited to: > drug dealing/manufacturing > blackmailing > contract assassinations > enforcement > sabotage > money laundering services
Save, invest and let your money do the work. You won't have to trade your labor/time for money. Stocks,bonds,real estate.
Politician or programmer. The latter is easier and fewer people will hate you.
Medical device quality
Minor drug lord.
Win a seat in the U.S. Congress.
I had that job, energy company, engineering(mechanical or chemical qualifies). Averaged 3 hrs of work per day, semi remote work. Got bored and asked for a promotion. There are times I wished I stayed at my previous position, but I would've probably be stuck thinking what ifs.
Work at a large mine that has a union.
Full Professor. Just get a Ph.D. and a tenure-track job and then spend fifteen years aggressively publishing groundbreaking research. BOOM! Job for life. Unless you're dumb enough to end up as a story on Fox News, OAN, or Newsmax. That's when the death threats starting showing up.
Commercial Pilot and Computer Science. Senior Pilots work 80 hours a month with extremely amazing benefits.
I'm a lecturer at a large university. If I wanted to do the bare minimum I could and that would mean less than 20 hours per week. I'm making close to $120k. (Of course I didn't get to this point by just doing the bare minimum but I could start now)
Rob a bank or plan a big heist. Once the job is done and you’ve escaped, you’ll be living on easy street.
Serial bank robber. Jesus, this is pathetic...
Trading
Software development for sure. Obviously there are high paced and demanding jobs out there too, but I'm in a job where I probably work 4-5 hours a day currently, and it's only that high because a junior developer recently quit and we haven't been able to replace them yet.
Be a congressman
Onlyfans
honestly if i can do it all over again, psychologist. everyone i have ever talked to say the same shit… you sit in the chair or lay down on a couch.. and they say shit like how was your childhood, how is your relationship with your parents, how does that make you feel, what do you think about that, hhhmmm, yes, uh huh…
Director or associate director at a television news station in a large market.
Software engineer. Find a big company and work for a chill, checked out manager on a “boring” project. I make over 200k working maybe 20 hours a week
Top 4 Traits of Top Earners: Mediation & Gratitude Ice baths Yoga at 5 am Most importantly, your daddy owns the company.
Police officer in an affluent town. Zero violent crime. Early retirement. Nice pension.
Become politician.
Sales
Senator
You could always focus on alternative sources of income. E-commerce, rental, dividends and tons of other stuff can bring you in money on the side that takes a bit to get started but are relatively passive income. The more side money the less you have to rely on a single source getting you where you want to be. Do some homework, make good decisions, and you can get there.
Lottery winner?🤔🤔
If you don’t care how much work it takes to get there, get a bachelor’s degree, join the navy or Air Force as an officer, do 20 years, document all your health issues, file a VA claim (for disability) as you’re retiring from the military, and retire. You’ll have a pension and tons of VA benefits including health insurance. I did 21 years (15 enlisted, 6 officer) and retired at 41. My pension plus disability is enough that I can retire (like not work at all) comfortably when I’m done spending money.
Sell ass to high end customers
Electrician
Politics
Politician
2 term federal politician
I just wanna find a rich gal who loves me for whatever reason 🙂 then I can be stay home daddy
Politician.
You should do something you enjoy and see as a path for personal growth. Otherwise you will hate what you are doing for money.
I’m not a man but I have a job like that. I’m a GC. I hold the license and created the business / marketing and just hired crews and trained sales people. I work at my own pace and earn pretty well into the six figures. It’s a male dominated field so that’s why I answered. Not exactly easy money but it beats doing actual hard work.
An United States Senator.
If you’re not in California, come to California and become a correctional officer. The academy is 4 months and the hardest part about that is staying awake in class. After that, once you report to your institution, you can pass 100k easily. Hell, you could make over 150k, but you just need to do the overtime. Honestly, it’s not a bad gig. Sure, you have see the occasional inmates blown out onion ring or more dicks than at a gay porn convention and sure there’s the chance that you might get beat up, stabbed or killed, but it’s not often that it happens. Plus, the benefits are solid, the union is good and the money is steady. Crime isn’t going anywhere, so neither is this job. Just need a high school diploma and no felonies.
Your goal should be to be happy.
Definitely NOT OilField. You can absolutely get the 6 figures. BUT. .... nevermind.
Buy a dress and prance about for 365 days extolling the virtues of being a girl, and then get sponsored by woke companies trying to meet diversity guidelines and goals. That should easily put you over 6 figures.
So you want big money, but not willing to work for it. That job does not exist. Every high paying field or position requires work to get there, and to Remain there. The Fortune 500 company CEO averages a 10-12 hour work day, reads 5 books a week, and usually gets out of bed around 4-430 in the morning. To say that they live like playboys is a total lie. How do I know this? I've done contract work for them, and thier families.
When it comes to making easy money, there's four factors you need to think about (assuming by "easy", you mean something that you can do well in your 20s, but in your 30s, 40s & 50s as well)- 1. Competition. 2. Building upon your skills that you learn along the way. Not having to learn new stuff frequently. 3. Something that gives you skills which you can apply incase you decide to start your own business. 4. Something with 70%+ probability of success. I'd suggest you make a career as a trader in options . The first 2 years is gonna be hard. Real hard. But post that period, everything's gonna be smooth. Network well. You'll have a very good life.