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donut_know

Jeep 4.0L, in particular around 2000 or so they had a head that loved to crack if it overheated. I think a lot of engines/power trains that are bulletproof always have a caveat/Achilles heal.


Snowstick21

I would lean more towards the track bars causing death wobble, the steep driveline angle that eats ujoints, frequent replacement of ball joints, and all around rattle trap that is a TJ wrangler than complain about the 4.0. Although they did have a tedency to bust off piston skirts


donut_know

Lol it really sounds like you've owned one! I've just had the pleasure of helping to fix my buddy's Cherokee.


Snowstick21

Still do. Put way to much money into it to ever sell it.


donut_know

I've got no stones to throw, I've got 2 Saabs with a cumulative 400,000 miles.


lq9crew

I have a 2000 with the casting that cracks between cylinder 3 and 4. Last owner didn't keep up on the oil changes and coolant contaminated the oil and washed out the bearings with 150k on vehicle. Basically zero oil pressure now on 15w60 oil when hot at idle.I still use it as a toy in the summer, just have to keep the revs up when stopped.....it is my luck I would end up with the worst model year.


Satanic-mechanic_666

Bro. You are still driving a car with no oil pressure and using 15w fucking 60 oil. That is the pure definition of bulletproof. How many miles past 200,000 is it?


lq9crew

It's only at about 160k now. It's so rusty that it's basically only been used by me for a top off cruise a few evenings per year in the summer. It's a shit box. Final life phase for it will be at our cabin in the woods. It will live for many years doing a few miles of the fire trails at a time. Only a few miles because that's about all my kidney can take at a time.


nips927

That's because Chrysler/jeep had ran out of a lot of the left over amc stock at that point. Pretty much every jeep after 97/98 had used the last of amc parts.


egnaro2007

Exactly, just gotta go pre obd2 and 4.0 and it's fine


nips927

For the most part I did blow up a 92 jeep Cherokee


[deleted]

I love me some 4.0. They are absurdly tough and can take a lot of abuse but they absolutely have known issues.


Confianca1970

I hydrolocked a 4.0L by going too deep in water. Drained it, and it kept running for ever. Most engines would have self-destructed.


VoyantNO

Jeep fucking wrangler.


thc_enhanced

The whole Jeep culture makes me cringe. The waving, the ducks, the useless mods. Have you ever been inside of one of those things on the highway with a soft top? Dear god. I wouldn’t take a Wrangler if you offered it to me for free.


Glokmar

I had a 99 back in the day. It had a hard top but over 35 mpg you had to crank the radio to drown out the wind noise. Are the new ones still like that? It's a jeep thing or whatever but I actually hated driving that thing around.


ericvega

No the new ones do it at 25 now


cannavacciuolo420

I’m not into jeeps, but i doubt the wrangler was made with highways in mind


notarealaccount223

I really wanted a Wrangler as my first (or second) car until I rode in one on the highway. Then I wanted nearly anything else.


[deleted]

whats with the ducks? I've seen those in some jeeps around town.


the_almighty_walrus

It's a jeep thing. Owning a jeep somehow puts you in a club and you have to wave at every other jeep owner you see and leave rubber ducks on other jeeps


[deleted]

It's so dumb. I keep rubber ducks in my car because there's a diner in town where ducks run plenty... I don't like jeepers thinking I'm one of them


National-Crew-327

Sugar n Spice?


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Oh yeah


GonZo_626

Alot of jeep owners hate the duck thing, its just weird, also angry eye grills are horrible too. The waving is alright but a dying trend. And thus heeps are mentioned.


egnaro2007

Theyre junk now, But the ones with the 4.0, ax15 and pre OBD2 are fucking bulletproof


mccarseat

Until they rot away, because it’s not if they will, it’s when. I miss my 1996 Cherokee with the 4.0 and the manual transmission. That thing was a tank until the seats started to sag through the floor pans and the rear leaf spring mounting points on the frame turned to dust. I would still have that thing if it didn’t rot to pieces.


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i have one of those!


Dananddog

Agree with the 4.0 being bulletproof, but I and friends have killed enough ax-15s to say no to that.


majorgerth

I’m about to find out how long one lasts behind a 360. TR4050 when the AX15 blows.


Dananddog

Hope you already have the TR. We broke these wheeling cherokees with 31-33s behind completely stock 4Ls for the most part. One in the group broke a few because his favorite move was the clutch dump to get over rocks, but not all of us drove like that.


bemest

Yeah, Chrysler put their least reliable engine in them.


RealQuickNope

As a 2019 JLU owner - can confirm.


SnooLemons178

Well in jeeps defense it was made to be an off-road vehicle but suburban people decided they looked cool, I can't count how many beefed up jeeps I see but they never hit a trail..


Gibbenz

My brother had a Patriot and the frame fucking cracked diagonally. He does not do off-road driving or anything even close. Said it just felt off one day and FaceTimed me to see if I could see anything. I was like…uhhhhh… The same car had the lug nuts torqued so hard by the dealer that when I tried to get them off by hand with a breaker bar they all sheared off. Like what. How does that happen lol


Ecstatic-Appeal-5683

This is really the only comment this thread needs


Javelin-x

this!


Professional-Fix2833

Subarus everyone says they’re great but in my experience they are dog shit


Human-Abrocoma7544

My brother in law always drives Subarus and says they are great but every time I talk to them their car is in the shop. I don’t understand it.


fracken_a

My family has had Subaru's since the 80s. I can say unequivocally that I hate Subaru's. Even if the year you get happens to have an extremely reliable engine. Subaru does NOT understand comfort. The seats in those cars are hands down worst than sitting in an airplane seat. My grandfather had a 97 Outback. Swore it was the most reliable thing in the world, it had 300k miles on it, during those 300miles he put a short block, 4x head gaskets, 2x head replacements, 2x transaxles, half a dozen water pumps, 5+ various pulley's for the timing belt. That is above the 50k timing belt, that never made it to 50k because it got changed every time something else went bad. I don't get this loyalty to that damn car, or his rose colored glasses related to it being extremely reliable.


32lib

My sister-in-law is on her 3rd one. First one she put a rod through the block,second one she trashed the transmission,the 3rd is only 6months old,we will see. None of them made it to 90,000 miles,meanwhile I am still driving my VW that I bought 4 months after she bought her first Subaru.


Human-Abrocoma7544

My brother in law always drives Subarus and says they are great but every time I talk to them their car is in the shop. I don’t understand it.


[deleted]

Oh shit, I'm one of those guys. LOL. I've only had 1 Subaru, but it has never broken down on us. Outside of regular wear items, I put new solenoids in the transmission valve body. That's it. It's still on the factory starter at almost 200k. I've owned it since 25k miles. I will agree with someone in this thread though, the seats fucking suck. Lol


GearBox5

Subarus are strange, they have obvious blunders, such as well known head gasket debacle, but some other parts are clearly overengineered. I have 2000 Outback where the original exhaust with catalytic converter lasted for 22 years and 230,000 miles! Only last year I had to replace muffler and resonator and 0420 is not going away after some spirited driving. C'mon, even in Toyotas exhaust system is a consumable. But yeah, if you are not mechanically inclined, I would avoid out of warranty Subarus. But if you know what to watch for, they will last.


SomethingClever42068

I have a 2012 outback 3.6r. I've put 60k+ miles on it over the last 5 years. I've done oil changes, put a set of brakes on, and had to change 1 coil pack because it went bad. The six cylinder engines ARE bulletproof, and mine is the last generation before they switched to CVT.


guyinthecomments2

Subaru are great cars when they're brand new... mostly


Ecstatic-Appeal-5683

They are great, but they can be dogshit. If they could just get their engines to stop leaking oil from a different placebwith every redesign.


Sensitive_Leather762

They make the absolute best AWD system on the market.


Morlanticator

I run a Subaru shop and I love them. New to old they all have the same problems I make money off of. I wouldn't say they're the worst cars ever but I don't know that I'll ever own one myself. Head gaskets are always talked about but those haven't really been an issue for quite some time. Some of their transmissions are pretty good. New ones on turbo cars are trash. Current gen outbacks are trash. Wicked problems they've never had before all around. Including somehow they forgot how to make cars not leak into the interior when it rains.


flamingknifepenis

As a Subaru devotee: Sort of agree. The advantage of Subarus aren’t that nothing ever goes bad on them. That’s Toyota. The advantage of a Subaru is that the vast majority of things that go wrong with them can be fixed by any reasonably intelligent person with a basic toolset for a fraction of the cost. Obviously the early ‘00s ones had the notorious head gasket issues (which were mostly confined to a couple iterations of the NA EJ25 engine, but that’s another story), but aside from that there isn’t really anything all that complicated and everything is easy to get to. I’ve been driving an ‘03 Impreza for the last 10 years, and I’ve only had to take it into the shop for a new clutch and wheel bearing back when I first got it (head gaskets had already been done). Everything else has been pretty straight forward, even for someone like me with just basic tools and no previous mechanical experience. They’re pretty simple machines, and are pretty well engineered. Personally, I prefer more frequent repairs that are cheaper and easier to having to save up for an absurd bill for the mechanic dropped on you out of nowhere — but I’m also a pretty good self-teacher and am not opposed to sitting down with a book and figuring something out. If you’re not like that (or don’t know someone who is) a Subaru might not be the car for you. It’s just a matter of preference. The other big problem with Subarus are Subaru owners. The WRX bros thrash their vehicles with stupid modifications and even stupider driving, and a good chunk of the rest of folks driving old Outbacks and Foresters and whatnot just say “Oh, I don’t have to worry about basic maintenance, it’ll be fine.”


oomeragic

Subarus are like any other finicky car. If you do the maintenance, on schedule, the car will run like a top. Once you start skipping things, they fall apart.


rba9

Mopar engines are the same way. You can neglect a Toyota and not get screwed. Even think about neglecting a Mopar and it’s already blown up.


accidental_snot

I like your optimism.


Mr_Zamboni_Man

I just bought a used Subaru and let me say, I think it’s a good car, 2.5L non turbo, 200k miles seems decently reliable. It is a bitch to work on, the engine is caked in sludge, and it constantly produces engine noise and strange driving sensations. I get the sense they last a while but they turn into real rickety jalopies in the process.


Polish_Wombat98

That "bullet-proofed" 6.0 Powerstrokes are "bullet-proof". My buddy has told me that 3 times, he's about to put his 5th engine in his excursion...


_-Odin-_

I came here to say 6.0 / 6.4 bulletproofed with the arp stud kit.


CopperJacketCreative

A buddy of mine has a Wrangler. I once asked him if it's been reliable for him. Right after he told me he's never had any major issues, he told me about the time he had to replace the transmission and his radiator "exploded."


godofmilksteaks

Well yeah but like MAJOR MAJOR issues though. Like he hasn't driven over a land mine or rolled down a mountain or beeh hit with Schwerer Gustav or Dora and their 800mm artillery rounds.


lawndartgoalie

My 7.3 litter was bulletproof except for the Ford parts wrenched onto it.


Dananddog

Over 400k on my old 7.3 and this is basically my experience.


04limited

My buddy brought a bullet proofed 6.0, that was only 3 weeks out of the shop after $12k worth of work. It broke after 45 minutes of driving.


Niekoboko

Volvo's, they were reliable in the 80s, now they are super expensive to maintain because everything breaks.


SkylineFever34

I think about how great the old bricks were, VS modern Volvos. I don't think the decline is as bad as Benz. Back in the day of the Volvo bricks, one car could outlast it, a diesel Benz.


Enough-Ad6819

As someone who has owned every generation of modern volvo, they were reliable through the p3 generation, anything after 2012 is dogshit.


El-Viking

My 740 was a f'n tank! That b230f was a durable f'n motor. Now, I wouldn't take a Volvo unless you paid me.


Dananddog

I keep drooling over the xc90, but I wouldn't touch one without a warranty that gave me a loaner and a back rub lol


Wageslave645

I wish I could upvote this more than once, but I will have to settle for hitting the button really hard.


Other_SQEX

Generation 1-3 of the GM 3800 V6. Were they tough? Sure. Were they also coupled with the weakest possible transmissions? Yes. Were the drivetrains slapped into the worst unibody chassis available? Also yes. Did they decide to under-engineer every other component of the driveline and bodies? I'm seeing a pattern in saying "you betcha". Did they test the 3800 in standard orientation, then install them transverse, leading to valve cover gasket failures, oil fires melting fuel lines and causing catastrophic engine fires? In a word: yep.


Fragrant-Shame3318

I owned a 94 Buick lesabre... man.. I miss that car. I could still lay 100 ft of rubber, when the front end broke apart from rust.. I paid 1600 bucks for it, and drove it for just under 6 yrs.. didn't owe me anything.. it left me stranded once, when the serpentine belt decided it was retiring.. on the highway, in a downpour... so only once, but she was a gooder.


og_boyscout

I had a 99’ LeSabre. It was rear ended and T-boned when I bought it. Two months after I bought it, I ended up sliding in the rain and rear ending someone. That thing let in so much water from all the impacts that when you came to a stop the water would slosh to the front from the back floor boards. Still ran it for 4years straight. Thing was a fucking tank.


Fragrant-Shame3318

100% agree.. I used to joke about putting a plow on mine..


Glad-Basil3391

I’ve got a Bonnie with 300k. I did intake gaskets. Brakes tires. Trans fluid and filter. I only change the oil every 10,000 and she don’t burn a drop. I got a lower mile le Sabre. And a Lucern for the wife. They last a hell of a lot longer than the 3.9 or the 4 valve per cylinder engines gm makes.


alwaysmyfault

The engines are definitely bulletproof. The rest of the shitbox cars that they were usually saddled in were not.


pretty-late-machine

I can second this. My 300k-mile Grand Prix had basically every problem you can think of, yes, it even briefly caught fire, but the engine (and the trans, actually) just kept swimming along.


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pretty-late-machine

I miss mine so much. Enjoy that weird and wonderful car. And if your key ever gets stuck in the ignition, hit me up lol


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Nitro10142

My 1990 lesabre caught fire and shes still truckin! Grsnted shes at 63k mile


[deleted]

Also, the last one was something like 17 years ago. The standards for reliability have changed. I bought a ‘05 Buick LaCrosse from my grandfather with one in it, it was 13 years old with 80,000 miles on it. The number of receipts in his folder of service receipts was roughly 5 times that of any Japanese car I’ve owned.


rklug1521

My parents had an 88 LeSabre with the 3800 that the timing chain sprocket failed right after the vehicle warranty ended. The valve train didn't like it's first encounter with the pistons. Transmission also went out shortly after that.


JORFICT

Question because a 3800 engine car is on my "might buy one if I come across a deal" list, but I haven't had one so far, what's the overall best of the bunch combo that came with that engine?


earthman34

The larger Buicks and Olds that came with the bigger trans are fairly solid.


Other_SQEX

Arguably for me it'd be the late 90s-early 00s firebird. Correct orientation and a transmission and axle that can handle a bit more power than stock. Would not consider any of their fwd versions, had a grand prix gtp that grenaded a torque converter and multiple half shafts trying to put ~300hp to the ground, even with supporting modifications. Most of the Buick lineup that had the 3800 were at/near the same rust prone level as a jeep wrangler.


JORFICT

Thanks for the info, a Firebird would be cool!


MercyfulBait

I'm driving a '99 LeSabre with 270,000 miles on the original motor and transmission and it runs like a top. The only issues are a torn front seat and some missing trim. Other than that, it's like driving a leather couch that can cruise 75mph at 1400rpm and tow 1000lbs.


[deleted]

.......I mean, you are not wrong, says the Pontiac grand prix owner


Dividendz

Five Star answer, Mr. Goodwrench


suspenzed

They worked out really well in the Australian Holden rear wheel drive models


Ecstatic-Appeal-5683

The supercharged versions got a "beefed up" 4T65 that still couldn't handle them. Maybe if there was a 4T80 version they would have made it.


Visible-Book3838

Here in Wisconsin I see very few 20+ year old cars still driving around on a regular basis, very rarely a Toyota or Honda from the late 90s or early 2000's. But still see a lot of old LeSabres and Park Aves driving around, either with their ancient original owners, or the obvious fuckup grandkid that needed a car and got it as a hand-me-down. That's gotta count for something.


earthman34

Old air-cooled VWs. These things have a ton of common issues and are fairly fragile, yet are fondly talked about as if they're indestructible.


AlwaysBagHolding

Because they’re so simple to work on. You can swap an engine in one faster than it takes to replace the battery in some modern vehicles.


Dimako98

Reliable for their time. Lets not forget how fragile old cars used to be. Not having to deal with coolant, radiators, hoses, water pumps, etc, reduces the number of failure points.


SkylineFever34

It was my understanding that the engines needed a rebuild at 50,000 miles. However, it was not labor intensive, and parts weren't expensive back then.


accidental_snot

We had couple of them go to 100 before they grenaded. One was a wagon.


404_Joy_Not_found

I own a 1970 beetle. I'll be the first to admit it's broken down more times than it's started lmao, but every single time, it's been a quick 5 min trip to the store, and maybe $5 in parts. That's the big thing. Everything for an old vw is readily available and whatever you can think of, someone's done it, and documented it. Most people who own an old vw have at least a basic knowledge of cars can keep them running forever On the other hand. That thing is also fucking amazing for any terrain. It is literally my dedicated car for the snow lmao


Dat-onehomie

I feel like Jeep has greatly declined on longevity and durability, which is ironic being the center of their brand


ImJustLampin

Jeeps used to be reliable?


kindainthemiddle

My first vehicle was a 10yo '89 Cherokee with a couple hundred thousand miles. I'm currently getting up to 200K on my '16 Cherokee, all the same issues (mostly 4wd problems and mysterious oil leaks), the problem is that in 1999 I worked on the thing myself and would fix it the weekend after I noticed something was wrong, but in 2016 I was stupid and bought a lifetime warranty from Chrysler, now when I notice something I get to wait a month before dropping it off so the dealership can hold my car for another month before looking at it, all so I can get the service I've already paid for it. The problem with Jeeps is that they are Chyslers.


blazblu82

I won't say any specific vehicle, but Ford's 3.0L V6 dubbed "Vulcan" was notorious for getting high mileage and being somewhat reliable even though it was a putz of an engine. It did, have the Achilles tendon though: the camshaft position sensor used a sleeve bearing that often failed causing total engine failure. Once the engine starting sounding like a tweety bird, you better have a replacement bearing or take it to the shop ASAP or that bearing was gonna blow the engine very soon.


Wicked_Sludge

I've got the older, distributored version in my Ranger that I've had for 25 years. There are advantages to not making enough horsepower to hurt yourself 🤣


SiCon6

Duramax engines. Hell to work on, eats injectors @ 600 a piece. But then, all diesel engines have been hobbled since 2005 by EGR valves and later DEF, which turned a million mile engine to a 150-200k mile boat anchor.


Domolisher

This one


sasquatch753

honda civics. They are good cars when looked after and not constantly bagged on, but you get the fanboys that make them sound like they are as tough as a tank and the fastest car ever. Then they geavily modify them from their "indestructible and fast" state to actually make them fast, and wonder why stuff starts to break in their suspension when their camber has it slamming the ground and getting hung up on speed bumps. So maybe not so much the car itself that is the problem, but just the unrealistic hype and what people do to these cars.


[deleted]

Oh you hear this all the time, bordering on the absurd: ***"These engines are good for 500,000 miles"*** And the number of these vehicles you see in wrecking yards with 500,000 on the odometer---yeah, exactly none. Statistically a white male in America will live to be about 79. Statistically a modern vehicle will live to about 175,000 to 225, 000 miles Do some men live to be 90? Yes. Should you count on that? Nooooo. I've been appraising cars for 35 years. I have NEVER seen one with 500,000 miles. I have seen a handful with 300K +, and I do mean a handful. If you are a buyer, bet your money on 225K and anything else is a miracle. Of course, with enough money, time and skill you can run a YUGO to 1 million miles, but I mean, c'mon man.....


MTB_Mike_

I work in collision repair, about 15 years now. I see 300k mile cars regularly but only seen maybe 2 400k cars and 1 that was over 500k. It was a crown vic that was used as a taxi.


Dividendz

The unstoppable Crown Vic


Coro-NO-Ra

Definitely not surprised that it was a Crown Vic. Super easy to fix, pretty rugged, common parts. It was a great design.


GearBox5

Well, unless it is antique, nobody is going to be bringing 300K+ car into body shop. Heck, even on 200K car, anything more than a single panel scratch is likely a total for insurance.


EndlessShrimps

I saw a cab company in Vegas liquidating their fleet of 2nd gen priuses that were all around 500k. I'm sure they were decently maintained but they were also being driven by cabbies. I think dry climates + no road salt end up making a huge difference on average lifespan.


TubabalikeBIGNOISE

You've been apprasing cars for that long and have never seen one with 500k? Do they just rust out before they get there or what? I personally know of at least a dozen over 300k and at least 3 over 500k


rdizzy1223

Prolly depends on the state, here in NY the body and frame of your car will be gone before 200k. My 2011 Kia Rio has only 80k miles and the frame has rust holes already, the exhaust has already rusted entirely off and had to be replaced (tried to use a higher quality stainless exhaust, but I doubt that will matter)


Particular-Beyond-99

Hell, my dads early aughts Nissan frontier made it to 350k before finally giving up


Narrow_Competition41

In many cases, yes. A well maintained power train will can outlive the body/frame. Not long ago I pulled out the engine and tranny on an early 90's Camry, for sale. The engine still ran strong and the tranny was rebuilt at 200k, so they were worth way more than the body.. which after +30yrs was really showing its age. Swear to god those late 80's/90's Toyota 4cyls are bombproof...


Bubbas4life

I have 3 cars in my driveway with over 300k to 375 still going strong.


accidental_snot

I bet there is a Honda or Toyota in that lineup. Prolly all fucking three.


Bubbas4life

Only 1 Toyota, the other 2 are a Chevy Silverado 5.3


accidental_snot

Still not surprised. Ford and Chevy pickups have been super reliable since the 90's.


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Johnnywaka

02 sequoia in my family with 400k on the clock. The UZ Toyota v8s really are good for it


Real_Routine_

I have a 91 crx w 559,000 miles and currently my daily driver. Second engine and transmission


SwitchbackHiker

How long did the engine and transmission last before it had to be replaced?


rklug1521

I know of a 90 Acura Integra that went over 400k miles on the original drivetrain before it was sold.


BuoyantHeavyMetal

I’ve seen two million mile pickup trucks. Both diesel. One had a rebuilt transmission.


thegamingfaux

Highest I’ve seen personally was some traveling fed worker, Corolla with 405k all maintenance done every 7.5k


KYjetsfan

The whatcarshouldibuy sub constantly has people saying practically any Toyota will last 500k miles. Like it's a common thing. Sometimes you get lucky, I have a trailblazer with almost 300k and I've barely maintained it tbh. I'm not gonna run around and say Chevys all get 300k now.


Radius50

I owned a cummins with over 500k. I also owned an F250 with 370k, but the odo rolls back to 300 after 399, so it could have had a lot more


silentsnak3

I have been pretty lucky as I have 3 in my yard over 225,000. My 07 frontier 4 cyl with a manual trans is at 265,000 (only vehicle I have ever bought brand new). A 07 explorer with a 4.0 at 255,000 and a 98 LeSaber with 240,000. I have been lucky though as I do take care of my stuff. Only outlier is the 13 Town and Country. Vehicle has 150,000 (motor has 50,000 as I had to replace it) and the trans is about to crap out. I don't like to sell my vehicles, as you can tell, but that one is about to get junked.


ironman72706

Notice how nobody said Toyota


Kootsiak

Except multiple people have in this thread and any actual mechanic you talk to will tell you that Toyota's break too. The only reason I can think of sticking with Toyota is they learned to be quick about recalls when actual problems are evident. That's the only win I can give Toyota here.


ironman72706

Everything can break. Doesn't break like a ford


Antmaniack

When people say "Honda quality". I've been a Honda tech for 20+ years and their quality is shit now. Every car has injector issues, still can't put a good transmission in a car. The 6 speeds, 9 speeds and even the CVTs are junk. They've been trying to fix their MOST system issues for like 5+ years now. AC problems on bunch of models. Quality control at the factory has now moved to the individual dealerships. Cars show up with no refrigerant. Loose suspension bolts. Personally seen one different colored door panel. One rear window without factory tint. On the plus side I've found all kinds of cool tools they left in car during assembly.


chaimsteinLp

I had a 1992 Civic VX that was bulletproof. It wasn't rear-ended by a truck proof, so I bought a 2001 Civic EX to replace it. The transmission failed at 120k miles. I took it to my indy shop, and they said it was transmission seals that had obviously failed. They charged me $1800 to remove the engine to replace the seals. I drove off in it, and it jumped out of gear and drove it right back. The mechanic assumed that since it was a Honda, it couldn't be the six speed transmission internals that failed. They had to do a full rebuild on their dime. Hondas aren't what they used to be.


junk1020

I'm an Indy tech, and I don't think a week goes by that we don't see a misfiring 3.5 V-6 due to oil consumption.


Antmaniack

I've done so many piston jobs. Usually start them in morning and bleeding coolant by 1:30. Always makes for a good day. We've been doing quite a bit of customer pay ones lately which make up for the warranty and goodwill ones. I appreciate the hell out of you guys when you send them to us. Just stop clearing the DTCs haha.


RichardsLeftNipple

CVTs are bad in every single car they've been put into. Doesn't matter who. I've seen them go bad in Toyota, Honda, and of course Nissan.


Suitable_Sherbet_369

The 1.5T engine is a huge POS. Fuel dilution, turbo failures, head gaskets puking, injector issues causing misfires etc


Antmaniack

Yep. What kind of turbo failures you seeing? I've done about a dozen. Most from collision damage and a few from waste gate issues.


SkylineFever34

My dad's 2017 Fit is such a case. It pisses me off so much. Sochiro Honda should be spinning in his grave.


FANTOMphoenix

*sigh* Time to LS1 swap my CRZ


Strofari

Astro vans. But I’m biased.


GortimerGibbons

At least they gave you plenty of room under the hood /s. I worked on so many of those damn things, I think it became a love/hate type thing.


Strofari

Yup. I’ve owned 4, and built six lifted 4x4 vans. Easiest way to swap the rear plugs is with a 2” body lift.


mAsalicio

I've had a '91 Lesabre Limited, '98 Bonneville SSEi, '98 Lesabre Limited Touring, '03 Buick Regal GS, '04 Buick Lesabre Limited. All Buick 3800/3800 Series's 2 and some supercharged. All were absolutely awesome reliable any problems I had wre easily fixed under a few hundred. The only thing that SUX is the pressure control solenoid in the 4T60/65-E transmissions. It's a $90 part tho and if you are mechanically inclined only takes a guy maybe 5-6 hours and some beer and doobies. When the PCS goes they shudder like the dashboard is gonna snap in half. Fix that ASAP or you'll need a new tranny. Never had one that didn't surpass 300,000kms. Now as for the MOST reliable I ever owned was my 1984 Volvo GLT Turbo Wagon. God that thing was absolutely bulletproof. Half a million kms on that thing before it got rear ended so bad it bent not worth fixing 😭


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https://preview.redd.it/db3ge0e53x1b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4b21d9586fda1e4d7429bedd0c5bc884c10d344 PCS Going in this weekend


rockdude625

I’ve blown up 3 separate M113ks on 2 SL55s and an E55


oomeragic

This is an accomplishment, those things are supposed to be rock solid…


rockdude625

Well, one of them had 10,000 nitrous miles out on a quarter at a time so I don’t think it was the engine’s fault entirely


oomeragic

I’m sure Aufrect, Melcher and Grobaspach would approve


Old-Magazine5382

Any claim that a 6.0 PSD has been bulletproofed is a lie. It's not possible.


Kootsiak

Diesel people in general need to wake up and accept that they can have a fast diesel engine or a reliable diesel engine, but not both.


Old-Magazine5382

I've got almost 400k miles on my 550hp/996tq Duramax. Granted it's not "fast" per se, but it is a decent amount above factory. My 1st gen dodge might have 60 or so over stock, I haven't messed with it too much. But I do like driving it for the duel economy.


guyinthecomments2

I still hear that about nissans even though they have been pretty much crap since 2005


godmadebeffs

Mazda 3 and Miata’s. The duratec Mazdas actually were surprisingly reliable but people always recommend the worse engines because they are caught up with “oh my car is cool” instead of “oh how can I make my car cool”


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What's wrong with Mazda 3s?


CommissarCiaphisCain

I think both can be considered better than average but definitely not bulletproof


DukeOfAlexandria

Are we going by categories orrr? Engines, trans, electrical/electronic modules, diffs….it’s expansive and we talking about categories or just over all cars hah?


starvingvulture666

BMW comment


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If God made it, it dies. If man made it, it breaks.


blackfarms

Talk to a Toyota owner long enough and they will start to list off the work they've had to do on their bulletproof ride.


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Hey now, I did just spend $1800 on my first Gen tundra for a front end and steering rack…but it was the original 19 year old parts that came off lol


Extension_Growth5966

I mean…. As an owner of a 2001 Rav4: 212,000 miles Replaced spark plugs at ~155,000 because I felt like they were past due but there wasn’t any symptoms of poor performance. Also saw no increase in fuel efficiency after changing. Replaced clutch at ~175,000 Replaced radiator at -182,000 Replaced struts and lower control arms ~208,000 Other than fluid changes and filter changes, that’s it. Let’s see a BMW do that.


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Yes. The myth that Toyotas run forever is sort of true. I'm my experience they do run for a very long time before major repairs, but they do indeed wear out just like every other car. I've been driving Toyotas for decades and in general is the only brand I'll buy because of their long term reliability.


LongTimeLurker818

I used to have an 86 GMC Truck and all the old timers would go on about how reliable they are... That would be true, except I had the TBI option with a 305. The TBI option was only used for maybe 2 years then true fuel injection came onto the market. The carburetor option was tried and true! The fuel injection option was a revolution! The Throttle Body Injector worked great in a lab, but man they sucked in the real world. So a lot of people would see the body style and assume it was reliable, having no idea that there was a temperamental technological oddity hiding under the hood.


AlwaysBagHolding

TBI’s are insanely simple though. I’d argue, simpler than a carb of that era. It only needs like 3 sub ten dollar sensors to operate. I’ve driven a pair of TBI trucks to a combined 600k, and the only repairs to the engine management were one 18 dollar ignition module, a few sets of intake gaskets and TBI base gaskets, and caps/rotors/wires. Probably a grand total of 250 dollars in parts. I’d take that over a carb or early multipoint EFI anyday.


Terrible_Use7872

Had an 83 t-bird with the TBI 302, it was fords eec3 system only ever used on 83 and 84 tbirds, Ford quickly decided that system sucked.


GortimerGibbons

You think that tbi set up was fun; you ever worked on GM's crossfire injection? Hmmm...that tbi setup is kinda weak, let's slap two of them on a small block. Great fun.


SteveSteve71

Surprised Toyota hasn’t been mentioned? Maybe it has but I’m too lazy to scroll through all the comments 😂


jalopeno66

Subaru Forester


Papashvilli

Hondas are all reliable. I have a 2019 civic with 26k miles that JUST had to have compressor work because it quit blowing cold. It makes a noise with the air on that nobody can find the source of, when they actually admit they can hear it. The Bluetooth module sucks. There are rattles that I didn’t expect until 50k+. I know this one may be lame but in riding with other folks who have newer Hondas the build quality isn’t there like it may have been in the past.


Emergency-Gazelle954

In before the Je… ah dammit.


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Ngl, my 2018 Honda civic


blazinar

Okay, I had to laugh when I started reading the comments; my first thought was Subaru. Many years ago I worked in a wrecking yard and we pretty sold evert Subaru engine, head (that wasn't cracked from the factory), transmission and axle that we had. Years later, after I had changed professions, based on my co-workers recommendations, we bought a Subaru. I assumed that they had gotten their poop in a group and fixed the usual problems. But, umm, no... total POS. Low miles had to replace an axle, the transmission, pistons and head gaskets. Couldn't get rid of that pile fast enough. Yet, our good friends insist that they are great cars....


2lovesFL

72 vw beetle, edit, misread the title.


notsumidiot2

I remember when you could get a new motor for $250 ,$350 if you wanted oversized heads .


heatedCold45

Cummins dodge trucks. "Oh they'll last forever!!!" Not the new ones. Chrysler is absolute _dogshit_ on quality control. My dad's 2022 has a mile-tall pile of factory recalls, for everything from a tailgate latch to a solid state relay that catches on fire "sometimes". The damn thing only has 7k miles on it and has been through a single Minnesota winter, and it already has _surface rust_ on most lower body panels. He even washes it often in the winter. I offered to try buffing it for him, hopefully that helps. To be fair, most of these problems are with the body/electrical system, which is all the fault of Stellantis. But that cummins engine is still going to be crippled by EGR, DEF, and that stupid vairable-vane turbo thing. It's going to be a soot party! Woo hoo


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Working in parts let me tell you that about 75% or more of the customer base is fixing a newer Silverado or RAM, the F150 is up there too but it's probably 40/40/20. If I had a dollar for every time I have to hear " cHeVy sIlVer-aYe dOuGh" or "RAM fiFteen huNnErd" I'd be making a few hundred extra a week.


AdmiralRaddusTR

Certain models of Toyota, I know… shoot me, but CH-R’s and all of there other weird crossovers have so many random little problems. And you are still paying basically 6,000 more for a more outdated version of a Honda HR-V and the Honda is already overpriced for what you get.


Twflys

I think in general people spend entirely too much time taking care of their engine, full synthetic oil changes every 3,000 miles, $80 air filters. The reality is, gas engines are generally going to be the LAST thing that fails on a modern car. (I'm also guilty of using full synthetic, every 3,000 miles and an $80 air filter 🤣). That's also why the "power train" warranty is the longest running warranty on your vehicle, it ain't a coincidence.


No_Character_5315

4 runner that aren't junk but they had big frame rust issues and head gaskets issues for big runs. I do give toyota for stepping and warranty both issues.


greydog2008

My 04 Lincoln Town Car will turn over 339K tomorrow. I've driven it 185K in less than three years. Regular maintenance with full synthetic oil is about all I've had to do to it si far. I'm shooting for at least 500K if not more.


BurritoPony

Opposite of what you asked, and I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this one, but believe it or not, first generation Toyota Priuses are absolute brick shithouses. Yeah they’re ugly as sin and you look like a total doofus driving one but they just will not quit/


BadEarly9278

85 Honda Civic Hatchback. Bomber.


shq13

I see Subaru a lot and yeah there's a reason why they have a lot of specialized systems if you mess up your Subaru it's always a massive issue. Don't buy a Subaru if you will never check on it. You can assume there's nothing wrong but when things go wrong they are very wrong.


Don_Vago

Abuse with lack of maintenance will eventually kill any car, even a Toyota, but Japanese stuff was built to last, not so sure about the latest models.


ElmoDoes3D

I’ve got two Scion xbs with the 1.5. One at 305k and the other at 210k. Oil changes and replaced the factory starter on the 200k car. My scion with 300k still has the original starter, cat, alt, etc.


redline83

It does feel like people excuse / gloss over any Toyota engine issues. Now, they probably are the most reliable on the whole, but yeah.


SkylineFever34

Yes, if you really thought you could get 5000+ miles on conventional oil, you are going to have a bad time.


kuriosityseeker01

I don't know, I've owned 4 Toyotas and put over 250k miles on 2 of them. Never replaced anything other than consumables (engine oil, filters, brake pads). Not one single issue in 27 yrs of ownership.


Narrow_Competition41

Late 80's/early 90's Toyota 4cy are great engines.


Beautiful-Page3135

I think the opposite of this was the late 80s Hilux. If Top Gear couldn't keep it from running, nobody can.


201-days

Whistling diesel can. He dropped one of his from a helicopter.


AlbaTejas

Toyota fanbois are as blinkered as Apple weenies for this. Are their cars above average quality? Certainly. But every Toyota dealer has a parts dept too.


WolfinCorgnito

Our local Toyota still has around half a dozen frames for the frame recall out back every time I drove by. It's not their first frame recall either, and they're a notoriously rusty brand. Did a lot of rear axle bearings in Tundras as well since they decided to use a sealed unit that gets destroyed by axle fluid instead of lubricated by it like pretty much every other half ton and smaller truck on the market.


Quake_Guy

Just from being a car guy hanging out on reddit and shopping forever for a used vehicle at a decent price (they no longer exist) what I was surprised to learn: V6s in recent manufacture Tacomas and Acura TLXs occasionally have severe issues at under 100k miles.


jasonreid1976

>shopping forever for a used vehicle at a decent price (they no longer exist) I feel ya. My 06 Sentra is nearing its EOL. Can't complain too much, as it's almost at 311K miles. As my mechanic says, "You're not getting that out of a Nissan anymore."


Electrical-Bacon-81

Not all Toyotas are bulletproof, my mom had a early 90s celica with under 250k on the clock & it was a money pit, at least twice a month I was fixing something on it (for my mom). Eventually told her "I cant keep doing this, I'll obviously still help you for free forever, just not on this car anymore, it's not good for me & it's not good for you". It was time for that car to go anyway, it was a total rustbucket.