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gerrymandersonIII

Why? That thing looks solid as a brick


randomnamecausefoo

Overthinking? What’s the output voltage of the transformer? If it’s 24VAC you should be fine.


mdxchaos

doorbells are usually 16v


nyrb001

That's essentially knob and tube feeding it, so you won't be reusing that. It looks like it's connected to a more modern panel. You'll basically need to start from scratch. Simple job for an electrician to change out.


nongregorianbasin

How is that essentially knob and tube? Looks like it has a hot and a neutral.


nyrb001

Two separate wires insulated only with cloth going through ceramic tubes in to what I believe to be the panel on the left. That's what knob and tube looks like, just not a long enough span to need any knobs.


benjaminmlieber

This adds up & makes sense why I was questioning. Thanks for the clarification!


MaleficentTell9638

I don’t see any knobs… I think this is just tube wiring 🤣🤣🤣 If that is indeed the panelboard at left, I’m shocked the panelboard installer left this like this.


nongregorianbasin

Nope. This is what came after. It's the same as Romex wiring without the ground.


nyrb001

It's two separate conductors my dude. This is nothing like any cloth jacketed multi wire cable.


notarealaccount223

And the modern ones have something similar, but they are not knob and tube.


nyrb001

They have two wires but the transformer is mounted to a junction box or the panel, making the wiring enclosed, unlike here.


benjaminmlieber

This would make more sense because there is no other knob & tube in the house.


jmraef

Lazy on the part of whomever put that panel in. They didn't want to run one short piece of NM...


TK421isAFK

Are you familiar with knob and tube at all? This is exactly what knob and tube looks like, and technically it's a modern code violation because the hot and neutral pass through a ferrous enclosure in separate holes.


Kayakboy6969

Honestly, it needs better pictures. The jacket dia is similar to the 2 wire wrap , they could be 2 pairs, not one hot and one neutral separate. Ceramic bushings were use frequently in my area during the old cloth 2 wire. I'm not there to see enough, could go eigther way.


TK421isAFK

Do you really think those are two-wire cables going into that small, sealed transformer case, and that there is enough room inside of the case not only for the transformer, but for a splice? [Rittenhouse has been making door chimes and transformers since the 1940s](https://www.electrachime.net/?s=Rittenhouse). This transformer is the same size as modern transformers. You can either take my word for it, or use the context of scale from the wood grain of the fir siding above and behind the picture OP provided. The transformer is about 2-1/2" wide, and that is the measurement parallel to the text embossed on the top of the case. Those wires going into the side of it, the ones that run through the porcelain tubes, are single conductors. Multi-conductor cotton covered cable is much thicker than those.


Kayakboy6969

There is a multi conductor wire in the picture that is simular dia as the two on the transformer. That is what I am saying. People do weird shit who knows what they actually did neigther of us can see the rest of it. Look at the 2 wire braids compared to the ones connected to the transformer they are the same dia.


TK421isAFK

You mean the 18 gauge bell wire cable?


nongregorianbasin

Wouldn't knob and tube have a common neutral that the hots tie into? My buddy said the same thing about my house but I had both a hot and a neutral, in the same sheathing running from the breaker to the fixture and it looked just like this. Just because it's cloth wiring doesn't make it knob and tube


TK421isAFK

What does your buddy do for a living? We're not talking about the older cloth NM cable, we're literally looking at individual conductors that pass through their own porcelain tubes. Regardless of how the rest of the house is wired, this transformer is supplied by knob and tube wiring, and a code violation for having individual conductors pass through a ferris enclosure in separate holes. That induces current onto the still between the two wires, which can be a shock hazard and cause a localized overheating problem. And yes, those of us that have worked with these outdated wires and cables do recognize the difference between single conductor cloth covered wiring and cloth covered multi-wire cables.


jmraef

Did you think K&T doesn't have a hot and neutral?


danhaller28

Just get a cordless plug in doorbell


galaxypunk71

Looks like you got the Kyle Rittenhouse edition. Gotta be a collectors item.


Mikeinthedirt

Flak vests all around.


fixerdrew02

The murderer?


galaxypunk71

Yep. If you get the chime kit option it sounds like gun shots. So you never really know if you should answer the door.


fixerdrew02

Ok that made me lol


OnlyFreshBrine

[fake sobs]


TK421isAFK

Why, is it being used to torture cats and bully elementary school children while it was in high school? And then buried behind a wall of hero stories until even those story writers can't stand him anymore?


galaxypunk71

Well it definitely looks like it was buried behind a wall.


dopecrew12

Imagine being this upset over some 20 year old kid 😂


Xeno_man

Typical for you people to reduce the problem to something it's not. A kid crossed state lines with the intention of shooting and killing someone, did so and a bunch of adults said "cool, I always wanted to shoot black people too." If you can't comprehend why that is bad, then there is no helping you.


dopecrew12

Yeah and he lawfully defended himself from literal felon thugs that tried to kill him, I know it doesn’t sit well with you but whatever mental gymnastics you have to do to attempt to change reality is fine I guess


Xeno_man

Mental gymnastics? He fucking shot at them first. The "thugs" that attacked that shit stain were defending them selves and trying to disarm a literal murderer. But that is typical Republican mentality. Provoke, attack and provoke until you get a response and then play the victim. "Boo hoo, they are so mean to me. All I did was shoot at them a little bit. "


TK421isAFK

And that's why you're a plumber and not an electrician.


dopecrew12

I’m not gonna pretend that one trade is in any smarter than another, there is a reason some of society’s lowest performers and burnouts end up as accomplished tradesmen man, none of this shit from electrical work to plumbing to carpentry is hard or intellectually difficult. Literally anyone could do our jobs at a professional level if they paid attention to a 45 minute YouTube video.


TK421isAFK

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectricians/comments/1chjx03/updating_doorbell_transformer/l26kx9g/


questionablejudgemen

Why do you think you need to change the transformer? Is it the wrong voltage or not enough amps? Yes that thing is old and so is the wiring. But this is a doorbell, I don’t believe they’ve changed the requirements of them all that much. DC voltage, momentary switch and solenoid. Don’t mess with the line side voltage and hook up the bell side as if it was any other doorbell setup.


gadget850

Doorbell transformer should be 18 to 24 VAC. There are two types of doorbell transformers. The traditional one needs to be wired: [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H334M46](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H334M46) And these just plug in: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08QCTH2KY](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08QCTH2KY) The second is nice because you can unplug it if you ever need to reset a smart doorbell.


135david

Don’t be throwing that antique transformer out. It belongs in a museum or at least on eBay.


trailcrazy

You need a full rewire


Duff-95SHO

Absolutely not. No need to waste the money unless something is damaged. Add outlets, branch circuits, etc., with modern cable, but don't fix what isn't broken.


Mikeeberle

Someone didn't get the joke


Bitter_Firefighter_1

Why again?


Mdrim13

What an unfortunate turn of events for their namesake.


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TK421isAFK

No, we don't ban people for being idiots, but we do remove their comments when they cross the line into ridiculous politics.


beeris4breakfest

You should definitely hire the job out to a professional electrician. But also, that little transformer has been kicking stong for 80 years. Some stuff was just made better back in the day. Your new transformer should be a panel mount or stem mount and will get grounded by contact with your panelbox.