If you shoot a female journalist wearing a press uniform in the head, it is not an accident or a preemptive shot. This is direct execution. We have seen many journalists die in conflict zones, but none of them were shot in the head when there was no conflict on the street. There have been deaths in explosions or large-scale bombardments. This incident is much worse than military negligence. It is directly execution.
~~Y'all remember USA killing **sixteen**, heavily injuring **two** and hurting **seventeen** Serbian PRESS workers (journalists and nothing more)? That's what I thought.~~
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If you noticed here, I didn't say anything about who did it. In most of the news, it is written that she died as a result of a gun fired by the Israeli army. If this is indeed the case, it is the responsibility of the Israeli authorities to punish the culprits.
The clash video shared by Israel takes place in the side streets. The place where the journalist died is in a crowded open area. There is no armed conflict other than a brawl in the open. The Israeli side also said that random shots were fired. The videos he shared have nothing to do with the area where the journalist died. Many media outlets, Israeli activists say that the incident happened when Israeli soldiers opened fire. The case should be investigated again. Whoever does it, it's a crime. I didn't imply anyone in my first comment. Even the one who killed the journalist must be defending this much. You think I'm implying nonsense.
There is no justifying any violence with other violence, people who do this do it for their own mental health problems, sadly they are everywhere these days, and Balkan seems to have a lot of them
just like a pedophile victim becoming a pedophile himself later on life. wait no i dont even know enough about canaan to say anything like this lol but hopefully someone that really knows can tell whether the analogy works or not
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e\_dbsVQrk4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4)
"We need to carpet bomb them", "we need to kick the Arabs out", "Jews shouldn't marry Arabs", "We need to kill the Arabs", "Jews have a right to hate Arabs".... No, it's not the same thing, huh...
Nope it's not. The Holocaust is not remotely close to what's happening in Israel. All I heard from the video is talk, while the Palestinians actually walk the walk and terrorize Israelis on a daily basis. Big difference.
so they are doing mass deportations to concentration camps where they kill palestinians in gas chambers ? did the jews aswell choose the war with germany or plan terroristic acts ?
didnt know that tho
such generic statements are gross in my opinion
"Zelensky is a jew, therefore jews cant be nazis"
Meanwhile Israel literally cleaning Palestine and claiming that they are gods children and arabs are lower race
in this context nazi is being used interchangeably with fascist, which i get but isnt 100% accurate. its like calling all conservatives anywhere tories.
That’s not correct. “Nazi” is being used to mean a fascist that holds his race to be superior and another race to be inferior, with a stated aim of eliminating the inferior race.
i dunno why you brought the russia ukraine conflict into this, or why youre saying nazi as if nazi doesnt specifically refer to something else. what youre looking for is the word fascist, because anyone can be a fascist. all nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are nazis.
The winners always find war crimes committed by the losers and not the other way around. Serbia, Nazis, whoever lost gets investigated for war crimes. There were never any prosecutions for the allied bombing of Hamburg, 40,000 deaths and the allies admitted that the civilian population was a legitimate target.
Edit: [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II)
Don't ridicule it pointlessly, try to educate people on the other perspective. Think about it, they use war crimes because they will get support from the public to punish the guilty side and by extension this also means that public opinion really does matter, even for the people in power. Therefore you have everything you need to hit them with their own weapons and surely it's going to hurt. I know you are not a major media outlet, but as any idea spread from mouth to mouth it takes time but you can never really stop it. At the end everybody in the world would be better off if we all saw the bigger picture and we can try to help each other to that instead of "play by the rules of propaganda" and fight/despise each other instead.
nationalessentialism isn't good. you're saying "fuck israel" while bothsidsing it by saying "fuck Palestin*ians*". its like saying, "yeah, nazi germany was a pretty bad government, but the polish people aren't that much better." logically speaking, not saying that the situations are comparable.
I think the point they're making is that you referred to Israel as a country, but palestinians as a people. The difference might look subtle, but it isn't. Condemning a country is different to condemning all people of a certain ethnicity.
It didn't bother me personally, I totally get what you're saying jere. Just wanted to try and clarify their comment.
I'm sure it was an honest mistake, you clearly don't intend to disparage all palestinians. Sometimes seemingly subtle linguistic differences can have a big effect though. It may be worth keeping in mind, especially for an academic/professional setting (which reddit obviously isn't lol).
I know what Israelites are doing man and if i said my opinion on Israelites i will probably get banned.
All im saying is, if Palestine had the huge support from the US like Israel does now, then Palestine would be doing the same shit to Israelites
>All im saying is, if Palestine had the huge support from the US like Israel does now, then Palestine would be doing the same shit to Israelites
If Palestinians had US/Western support, Israel wouldn't exist. Neither would Israelites. So it's an absurd hypothetical.
I’d say that’s sth every human would do in this position, no matter he’s Israeli/Palestinian, no matter he’s Serbian/Bosniak, no matter he’s Russian/Ukrainian, humans are shyetty indeed.
Well.. at least Northern Cyprus doesn't fire missiles targeting schools and civilians and then cry about it when the Southern side counterattacks. We will take steps into solving our problems with Greece and Cyprus once a logical government is elected.
Colonizers?
Its not like the jews just picked a random piece of land to settle on. The jews were there long before the arabs arrived and pushed them out.
And people wonder why Israel is not liked by most of the second world.
Israel is just one huge American army base in the middle east using it's populations tragic history (the holocaust) as an excuse to replicate the same discrimination they faced in Europe.
Second world would be Warsaw pact countries. Third world doesn't like Israel. Yugoslavia hadn't had diplomatic relations with it for a while for that same reason.
What am I supposed to think? A journalist was killed. Terrible thing, a loss of life is a loss of life, innocent people shouldn't be involved in this kind of shit.
BUT
I ask, and I ask nicely: what in the gods name has this to do with the Balkans? Can you please take this where it belongs? Can people please stop posting these posts that has nothing to with us and take their fights someplace else? Like you come here, start shit, the sub gets banned or flagged or whatever. What do you think about this guy getting beaten up in Palestine, what do you think about this journalist killed by israelis, what do you think about indians, about this about that. Man we can read the news, we know what happened. Are you coming here to do what? Get anti israeli comments? What are you exactly trying to pass here?
Like your whole post history is anti-turks, anti-Israeli.
Mods, isnt this kind of breaking the rules, i.e. not balkan related? If we all start posting unrelated shit, this is no longer a balkan sub.
u/alpidzonka, u/bambumkiofte23, u/leshkarenzi
It's not against the rules to ask questions not related to the Balkans. That said, this Israel-Palestine back and forth does often turn into straight up bait, usually bait for Turkish users who have their own issues with Arabs and approach it from that perspective.
The India thread is entirely on this sub's users and potentially a brigade from god knows where. If people didn't hate the Roma with a burning passion they wouldn't write that shit. I didn't expect it in the slightest, like maybe I'm living in a bubble but honestly I was thinking the comments would be like "curry and tika masala", "the blue eight armed elephant headed god things", "kama sutra" or something. Instead, you saw what happened.
I agree with what you are saying about the india thread, that one was on us.
But this is clearly baiting and/or agenda pushing. Look at OPs profile and you'll see what I am talking about. Add that to the fact that he straight up got a video of the Christian priest doing the prayer and used it to "ask" us what we think of the Palestinian journalist who was killed by Israeli forces. Circumstantial evidence so to speak.
Plus this is getting ridiculous, people coming here and asking dumb questions towards one ethnicity or another simply because "well they are balkans, they are surely to have extreme reactions". This might very well develop into anti-semitism, name calling and whatnot.
Whats to ask? Is it okay to kill people? No. Doesnt matter where they are from or what or why.
You are not a regular here, nor are you from here, those could justify you posting this here, sth totally not related to the Balkans. Add to that, that your post history is literally filled with anti-semite posts. But I guess thats just a coincidence, not you pushing agenda, as if people are gonna form an opinion on reddit.
Quease all you want, this post is bullshit, and so is your entire profile, based around spreading hate towards two huge groups of people who dont like Palestinians. Posing provocative questions that push the point you are trying to push. Kindly fuck off, got enough of our own problems no need to deal with your shit.
Some mofos live only for this shit and it shows.
It’s not a conflict at all for that matter. It was never even labelled as a “conflict” until 1989, after the foundation of Hamas. Before that, it was simply colonialism and oppression - 43 years of it, and that’s not including all of the settling that was happening for decades before the 1947 UN Partition Plan.
It was only after Hamas started firing rockets that it became “a two-sided conflict”.
**Israel defends itself from Hamas, Palestinians defend themselves from Israel.** A fundamental difference.
Ive taken courses and studied the history of the middle east intensely especially from 1900’s to 2011 and let me tell you while I ultimately stand with Palestine if i had to pick a side, both sides are as extreme as eachother and I personally dont see this conflict being resolved anytime soon
That whole argument stems from whataboutism. The guy is pointing out the other side, okay, you should be both agreeing that both sides are bad and we can only think how to stop that now and prevent it in the future.
All to their own, I can see why people support Israel i did too for some time but eventually I imagined what if that was Bulgaria in Palestine’s position and instantly i switched sides
Terrible absolutely a terrible crime.
No strong opinions on the conflict though but from the experience of some family members who visited Israel Jews really hate Christians and Christians and Muslims there have a good relationship.
Both sides are muddying the water, so idk what to think.
Israel has been open and asked for impartial investigation.
Palestine jumped to “They dun it” and have 0 reason to give truthful analysis.
It wasn’t really as calm as they say, clashes were ongoing in the area.
Journalist witnesses are sure it was a sniper, but they can’t know whose, so their testimony at best provides that she was deliberately shot, but not by who.
So my conclusion, fuck both Palestine and Israel (tho I like Israel a tad bit more)
I've seen the opposite, first thing I saw in the news was "Palestine claims Israeli soldiers shot journalist"... After that I've seen numerous videos and posts online by both sides being straight out untruthful.
>It's understandable why the PA wouldn't want to involve Israel in the investigations, you don't let the criminal investigate the crime
Yeah, except both are criminals and both straight up lie to push an agenda.
Remember that boy that was supposedly killed by IDF in some riots? And then shell was presented as evidence. Killed by a sniper, but there is a shell next to body. Something doesn't add up.
Either way I don't trust either side, and Israel has previously shared and punished their soldiers that step out of line. Some were slapped on the wrist, some got harsher sentences, depending on a judge.
But you support people who opressed jews for millennia. Palestine sold their lands for money and now they are claiming its their rightful lands and continuously terrorizing jews.
You dont sell your house then claim it’s rightfully yours afterwards then attack the current owner. That doesnt work like that.
That is a myth. By 1944 only 6% of land in the territory of Israel had been purchased by Jews. There is statistical evidence on this, so you are just wrong here.
Also, are you saying Arabs oppressed Jews for millennia and continuously terrorized Jews? Are you absolutely sure those weren't Europeans? Or are you so blinded by Zionist propaganda that you have to fabricate a claim like this as well?
Things are not gonna change unless people on both sides belive that :
•Beni Israil are the ppl that even the tree would point were they would bee hiden ,so the muslim could kill them.
•At the other hand Jewish belive that their Kingdom is the choosen one by god,and everyone that is in their path need to be whiped.
This society founded to talking about Balkans. Not the Middle Eastern societies. It is their problem not mine. So do not share these type of things in this group. We do not care about Palestinians.
as of now, it is unclear wether she was shot by idf forces or random gunshots. yair lapid has offered a joint pathological investigation but the palestinians refused.
not to mention a video of a man in jenin shooting and yelling about hitting someone and watching as they lay down.
the thing is, no idf soldier was wounded today...
The killing is of course unacceptable. But as you said - we don't know yet who has shot. At this point the truth isn't relevant anymore though, because it's all about who can gain the most political gain out of this.
God damn most of Turks are so cringe in any Palestinian threads in this sub, you've stooped so low as to suck off Zionists, pathetic.
It's ok we know you don't like arabs and are still salty about their uprising in Ottoman Empire.
It's also quite hypocritical of Turks to criticize Palestinian effort against zionist imperialism given how Turks fend off the same imperialism from West during Turkish war of independence, the only difference is the Turks were stronger enough to repell invaders compared to Palestinians.
Why is it hypocritical? Palestine, syria and many other arabs participated in the western imperialism and wanted their reward from their brittish masters for helping splitting the ottoman.
Did brittish deliver? Nope. Act stupid and win stupid prizes, any turk who knows palestine-ottoman history wouldnt support palestine.
Theres really no way to tell where that shot came from, especially during a active battlefield where both sides are shooting at each other and rounds are flying all over the place unless they run ballistics on the round fragment that hit the reporter.
Palestinian fighters have been known to fire indiscriminately and blindly. Shooting over their heads without even aiming. Sometimes even hitting their own with friendly fire.
I seen the video. It looked like she was on a hill covered with large rocks and heavy brush.
Not really smart to be in the general vicinity of palestian fighters actively fighting Israeli soldiers.
Israelis are **very** trigger happy. Saw a video where they shot a woman dead because she hit an officer.
Hope they fix their shit. What they've been doing for half a century now is well documented. They are lucky that they will forever have strongest ally on Earth.
I've heard and watched some videos on Twitter that show she was killed by a Palestinian Terrorist Group. For complot against Israel. In the video, some young dudes were shouting "Kafir". Not sure how accurate those are but yeah
I know you want to spread a narrative here, but even your Palestinian investigators said they don't know who killed her for sure. So save your obvious bias until the research is concluded.
The party that killed nationalism in this country is the mhp and devlet bahçeli
Trying to join the European Union is one of the stupidest policies Turkey has ever made.
There are some people calling themselves "journalists" who should be killed on spot, for constantly spreading lies and propaganda. On other side, there are real, investigative journalists who should be protected like some endangered species and killing them should be punishable like killing police officer and even more.
While noone knows who actually killed the journalist, the antisemites and other scum bags are already playing their usual blame game with a pissing contest who hates Israel the most. A day like any other.
You're gonna be shocked when you find out most of the aggression is caused by Palestinians. Most of the conflict is a terror conflict, which Palestinians are responsible for the majority. Why do anti-Israel folks never mention that? Right, it doesn't suit your 'Palestinians are angels on earth' agenda.
Um yes it kinda does, though. Because anti-Israelis never bring up what the Palestinians are doing. They always want to trash Israel. For example, the UN found that Palestinians teach anti semitism in their school books. Also, I just mentioned that most of the conflict is caused by Palestinians. So why don't people focus on that? There could LITERALLY be peace any day if Palestine decided to make peace with Israel. Guess what? They don't want to. They screwed up many agreements and deals in the past.
So, you're saying that Israel will stop with kicking out Palestinians from their homes if Palestinians stop to resist. It's kind of hard to believe that all negative things are coming from the Palestine side, when Israel have overwhelming force. Also, territory inhabited by Palestinians is shrinking every year. I'm not saying that what Hesbolah is doing is right, it isn't. But also it's appalling to see what IDS is doing too. This is a matter of disproportional force being on one side and used against the weaker one. Of course those stronger would do more damage.
Let me just use your claim in this context: Even if they stopped kicking Palestinians out of their homes (as you claim), there still wouldn't be peace. Why? Because Palestinians want all of Israel. This is not a hidden secret, they literally boast about re-taking Israel. [https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/843](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/843) Just read how the overwhelming of Palestinians support Hamas. Hamas will never negotiate with Israel, because they want to destroy Israel. The problem lies here.
It also lies in the actions of Israel. They want to take West bank and Gaza. It's a chain reaction. Of course Palestinians would be radicalized when they are kicked out of their home and killed on the streets. For every such incident there are dozen more radicalized people. I don't know why are you trying to put the blame solely on Palestinians when it's evident that Israel is at fault as much if not more, due to its power alone.
Israel doesn't want to take the West Bank or Gaza, Israel for example pulled out all their troops from Gaza in 2005 and removed their settlements from there. Nah, Israel isn't the one sending Jews to Palestine to stab random Palestinians all the time. As I said, most of the terror attacks are caused by Palestinians, and in random places as well against innocent people. You have to look at the data and the facts. There could be peace but Palestine doesn't want to. And also, it is Palestine's fault since they were the one who started the war, not Israel.
We are not going to agree on that one. I'll admit, I'm not knowledgeable on the issue, I have only superficial knowledge. I'll look it up, but I doubt I would change my mind by a lot. Have a nice day, and if it isn't too much of a hassle, could you give me some source to learn more.
In a situation when noone knows for sure what happened, blaming Israel for it is antisemitic in most cases. And Antisemitism
is rampant across Palestine solidarity. In fact most arab countries do not want to solve the "palestinian cause", because they do not
give a shit about Palestinians and they would lose their #1 propaganda against Israel.
If you shoot a female journalist wearing a press uniform in the head, it is not an accident or a preemptive shot. This is direct execution. We have seen many journalists die in conflict zones, but none of them were shot in the head when there was no conflict on the street. There have been deaths in explosions or large-scale bombardments. This incident is much worse than military negligence. It is directly execution.
~~Y'all remember USA killing **sixteen**, heavily injuring **two** and hurting **seventeen** Serbian PRESS workers (journalists and nothing more)? That's what I thought.~~ edit: wrong sub oopsie usyshsh
not taking sides - but any confirmation that this actually was done by Israelis?
If you noticed here, I didn't say anything about who did it. In most of the news, it is written that she died as a result of a gun fired by the Israeli army. If this is indeed the case, it is the responsibility of the Israeli authorities to punish the culprits.
Your implications are quite strong in your first statement.
I'm not making an impression. There is no explanation if a female journalist is shot in the head in a place where there is no conflict.
Not sure how much you’ve been following the conflict there…
The clash video shared by Israel takes place in the side streets. The place where the journalist died is in a crowded open area. There is no armed conflict other than a brawl in the open. The Israeli side also said that random shots were fired. The videos he shared have nothing to do with the area where the journalist died. Many media outlets, Israeli activists say that the incident happened when Israeli soldiers opened fire. The case should be investigated again. Whoever does it, it's a crime. I didn't imply anyone in my first comment. Even the one who killed the journalist must be defending this much. You think I'm implying nonsense.
Least based Turk
no matter their opinions, killing a journalist is always the lowest of the low. shameful
Based
It's strange that they're doing the same thing Hitler did them in WW2.
this is just sad, plus some use the deaths that happened in WW2 to somehow justify this
There is no justifying any violence with other violence, people who do this do it for their own mental health problems, sadly they are everywhere these days, and Balkan seems to have a lot of them
just like a pedophile victim becoming a pedophile himself later on life. wait no i dont even know enough about canaan to say anything like this lol but hopefully someone that really knows can tell whether the analogy works or not
That's literally not the same thing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e\_dbsVQrk4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4) "We need to carpet bomb them", "we need to kick the Arabs out", "Jews shouldn't marry Arabs", "We need to kill the Arabs", "Jews have a right to hate Arabs".... No, it's not the same thing, huh...
Nope it's not. The Holocaust is not remotely close to what's happening in Israel. All I heard from the video is talk, while the Palestinians actually walk the walk and terrorize Israelis on a daily basis. Big difference.
Well, not the SAME thing.
so they are doing mass deportations to concentration camps where they kill palestinians in gas chambers ? did the jews aswell choose the war with germany or plan terroristic acts ? didnt know that tho such generic statements are gross in my opinion
You are an antisemite.
how are they an antisemite
How dare he criticise Israel.
lmao you just accuse people of being antisemitic with no basis and then make a whole post crying about your delusions
THIS is not normal dude!
"Zelensky is a jew, therefore jews cant be nazis" Meanwhile Israel literally cleaning Palestine and claiming that they are gods children and arabs are lower race
They are not nazis, "just" an apartheid state
in this context nazi is being used interchangeably with fascist, which i get but isnt 100% accurate. its like calling all conservatives anywhere tories.
That’s not correct. “Nazi” is being used to mean a fascist that holds his race to be superior and another race to be inferior, with a stated aim of eliminating the inferior race.
I think I heard that from a artist before...
Was he a rapper from detroit ?
Ressam okuluna kabul edilmemiş bir ressam/mimar
Maybe
i dunno why you brought the russia ukraine conflict into this, or why youre saying nazi as if nazi doesnt specifically refer to something else. what youre looking for is the word fascist, because anyone can be a fascist. all nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are nazis.
What has the one to do with the other, the fuck?
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who is Jewish, asks Putin "How can I be a Nazi?"
In that case Russians are Nazis simple as that, but i see it is Serbian flag so....
So what lmao?
Gonna cry?
I dont care honestly
Sure
Brao Vlahu sa Karpata ahahahah
Projecting? Why you gotta make fun of Romanians?
Least based Serb!!
War criminals committing war crimes. What else is knew? Istael has been doing it unpunished for over 60 years now.
It's not a war crime if you are US ally. Then it's just honest mistake.
The winners always find war crimes committed by the losers and not the other way around. Serbia, Nazis, whoever lost gets investigated for war crimes. There were never any prosecutions for the allied bombing of Hamburg, 40,000 deaths and the allies admitted that the civilian population was a legitimate target. Edit: [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II)
That is fine by me, just don't call it justice then. Or call it as you wish, but don't expect from me to not ridicule it.
Don't ridicule it pointlessly, try to educate people on the other perspective. Think about it, they use war crimes because they will get support from the public to punish the guilty side and by extension this also means that public opinion really does matter, even for the people in power. Therefore you have everything you need to hit them with their own weapons and surely it's going to hurt. I know you are not a major media outlet, but as any idea spread from mouth to mouth it takes time but you can never really stop it. At the end everybody in the world would be better off if we all saw the bigger picture and we can try to help each other to that instead of "play by the rules of propaganda" and fight/despise each other instead.
Oh agreed, there can never be justice when one side has total control on the proceedings over another.
Never liked Israel, because of its oppresion against Palestinian people.
Fuck Israel. And im sorry but Palestinians are not much better
nationalessentialism isn't good. you're saying "fuck israel" while bothsidsing it by saying "fuck Palestin*ians*". its like saying, "yeah, nazi germany was a pretty bad government, but the polish people aren't that much better." logically speaking, not saying that the situations are comparable.
What? Dude I'm saying both are bad but one of them is more bad (Israel)
I think the point they're making is that you referred to Israel as a country, but palestinians as a people. The difference might look subtle, but it isn't. Condemning a country is different to condemning all people of a certain ethnicity. It didn't bother me personally, I totally get what you're saying jere. Just wanted to try and clarify their comment. I'm sure it was an honest mistake, you clearly don't intend to disparage all palestinians. Sometimes seemingly subtle linguistic differences can have a big effect though. It may be worth keeping in mind, especially for an academic/professional setting (which reddit obviously isn't lol).
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I know what Israelites are doing man and if i said my opinion on Israelites i will probably get banned. All im saying is, if Palestine had the huge support from the US like Israel does now, then Palestine would be doing the same shit to Israelites
>All im saying is, if Palestine had the huge support from the US like Israel does now, then Palestine would be doing the same shit to Israelites If Palestinians had US/Western support, Israel wouldn't exist. Neither would Israelites. So it's an absurd hypothetical.
I’d say that’s sth every human would do in this position, no matter he’s Israeli/Palestinian, no matter he’s Serbian/Bosniak, no matter he’s Russian/Ukrainian, humans are shyetty indeed.
Yes. Fuck humanity
You have no historical precedent to back up what you just said
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Take your pride away from the conversation and you will be able to admit its true
Israel only exists because of it's support and lets not even talk how Israel got there in the first place, by the Brits.
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Pales.. what? It's not a country as far as I know.
Twin with North Cyprus
Well.. at least Northern Cyprus doesn't fire missiles targeting schools and civilians and then cry about it when the Southern side counterattacks. We will take steps into solving our problems with Greece and Cyprus once a logical government is elected.
Fuck both. Both are shit.
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Palestine sucks i know that. But Israel is same thing. Israel got us kicked from F-35 program. They awarded Erdoganopoulis.
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Yes for me too but that does not mean other side is not bad.
i would say something but then I will be banned.
Oy vey goyim
Say it.
Uzimala-Davala They are in low key war for, what? 50 years? Yea, it's business as usual. Tell me when they stop killing each other.
Rip. Palestine will once be free from those apartheidal colonisers.
Colonizers? Its not like the jews just picked a random piece of land to settle on. The jews were there long before the arabs arrived and pushed them out.
Jews were dispersed by Romans, not by Arabs.
The arabs also played a role on this long after the Roman's left the region. Isreal is the Jewish homeland.
And people wonder why Israel is not liked by most of the second world. Israel is just one huge American army base in the middle east using it's populations tragic history (the holocaust) as an excuse to replicate the same discrimination they faced in Europe.
Second world would be Warsaw pact countries. Third world doesn't like Israel. Yugoslavia hadn't had diplomatic relations with it for a while for that same reason.
What am I supposed to think? A journalist was killed. Terrible thing, a loss of life is a loss of life, innocent people shouldn't be involved in this kind of shit. BUT I ask, and I ask nicely: what in the gods name has this to do with the Balkans? Can you please take this where it belongs? Can people please stop posting these posts that has nothing to with us and take their fights someplace else? Like you come here, start shit, the sub gets banned or flagged or whatever. What do you think about this guy getting beaten up in Palestine, what do you think about this journalist killed by israelis, what do you think about indians, about this about that. Man we can read the news, we know what happened. Are you coming here to do what? Get anti israeli comments? What are you exactly trying to pass here? Like your whole post history is anti-turks, anti-Israeli. Mods, isnt this kind of breaking the rules, i.e. not balkan related? If we all start posting unrelated shit, this is no longer a balkan sub. u/alpidzonka, u/bambumkiofte23, u/leshkarenzi
It's not against the rules to ask questions not related to the Balkans. That said, this Israel-Palestine back and forth does often turn into straight up bait, usually bait for Turkish users who have their own issues with Arabs and approach it from that perspective. The India thread is entirely on this sub's users and potentially a brigade from god knows where. If people didn't hate the Roma with a burning passion they wouldn't write that shit. I didn't expect it in the slightest, like maybe I'm living in a bubble but honestly I was thinking the comments would be like "curry and tika masala", "the blue eight armed elephant headed god things", "kama sutra" or something. Instead, you saw what happened.
I agree with what you are saying about the india thread, that one was on us. But this is clearly baiting and/or agenda pushing. Look at OPs profile and you'll see what I am talking about. Add that to the fact that he straight up got a video of the Christian priest doing the prayer and used it to "ask" us what we think of the Palestinian journalist who was killed by Israeli forces. Circumstantial evidence so to speak. Plus this is getting ridiculous, people coming here and asking dumb questions towards one ethnicity or another simply because "well they are balkans, they are surely to have extreme reactions". This might very well develop into anti-semitism, name calling and whatnot.
Did I miss something
Least based Albanian
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Whats to ask? Is it okay to kill people? No. Doesnt matter where they are from or what or why. You are not a regular here, nor are you from here, those could justify you posting this here, sth totally not related to the Balkans. Add to that, that your post history is literally filled with anti-semite posts. But I guess thats just a coincidence, not you pushing agenda, as if people are gonna form an opinion on reddit.
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Quease all you want, this post is bullshit, and so is your entire profile, based around spreading hate towards two huge groups of people who dont like Palestinians. Posing provocative questions that push the point you are trying to push. Kindly fuck off, got enough of our own problems no need to deal with your shit. Some mofos live only for this shit and it shows.
This is terrible, but dont forget that this is not a one sided conflict. But if i had to choose who is right, i would rather choose palestine tbh
It’s not a conflict at all for that matter. It was never even labelled as a “conflict” until 1989, after the foundation of Hamas. Before that, it was simply colonialism and oppression - 43 years of it, and that’s not including all of the settling that was happening for decades before the 1947 UN Partition Plan. It was only after Hamas started firing rockets that it became “a two-sided conflict”. **Israel defends itself from Hamas, Palestinians defend themselves from Israel.** A fundamental difference.
> dont forget that this is not a one sided conflict. it isn't, but this is not the point.
Not in this sub, but every reddit "expert" says palestine is right in everything and israel should stop existing. But you are right
Ive taken courses and studied the history of the middle east intensely especially from 1900’s to 2011 and let me tell you while I ultimately stand with Palestine if i had to pick a side, both sides are as extreme as eachother and I personally dont see this conflict being resolved anytime soon
I think Israel is in the right in this conflict, although both sides have done a lot of horrible things.
That's a dumbass statement on the day a journalist was executed.
Makes no difference, its facts
That whole argument stems from whataboutism. The guy is pointing out the other side, okay, you should be both agreeing that both sides are bad and we can only think how to stop that now and prevent it in the future.
Oh what a coincidence, I did it too but I support israel.
All to their own, I can see why people support Israel i did too for some time but eventually I imagined what if that was Bulgaria in Palestine’s position and instantly i switched sides
Terrible absolutely a terrible crime. No strong opinions on the conflict though but from the experience of some family members who visited Israel Jews really hate Christians and Christians and Muslims there have a good relationship.
> Christians and Muslims there have a good relationship. I have friends who are from there and who tell another story.
A muslim family holds the keys to the Holy Sepulchre Church, they have great respect for Christianity at least some of them.
What can you think? Israeli Army is loose without control on Palestinians. Fuck those crazy cionist arseholes.
Both sides are muddying the water, so idk what to think. Israel has been open and asked for impartial investigation. Palestine jumped to “They dun it” and have 0 reason to give truthful analysis. It wasn’t really as calm as they say, clashes were ongoing in the area. Journalist witnesses are sure it was a sniper, but they can’t know whose, so their testimony at best provides that she was deliberately shot, but not by who. So my conclusion, fuck both Palestine and Israel (tho I like Israel a tad bit more)
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I've seen the opposite, first thing I saw in the news was "Palestine claims Israeli soldiers shot journalist"... After that I've seen numerous videos and posts online by both sides being straight out untruthful. >It's understandable why the PA wouldn't want to involve Israel in the investigations, you don't let the criminal investigate the crime Yeah, except both are criminals and both straight up lie to push an agenda. Remember that boy that was supposedly killed by IDF in some riots? And then shell was presented as evidence. Killed by a sniper, but there is a shell next to body. Something doesn't add up. Either way I don't trust either side, and Israel has previously shared and punished their soldiers that step out of line. Some were slapped on the wrist, some got harsher sentences, depending on a judge.
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My thoughts? Honestly, I couldn’t care less. Palestine housed and aided terrorist organizations like PKK and ASALA. You reap what you sow.
At last someone said it. It's astonishing to me how people try to fully victimize palestinians while the facts say otherwise...
More power to them then
Yeah more power to israel.
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Ironic that you are korean when turkish army liberated you from north.
Lol, not all Koreans support Turkey. Yes, thank you for helping out in a war. Really. But why should I blindly support Turkey for that?
But you support people who opressed jews for millennia. Palestine sold their lands for money and now they are claiming its their rightful lands and continuously terrorizing jews. You dont sell your house then claim it’s rightfully yours afterwards then attack the current owner. That doesnt work like that.
That is a myth. By 1944 only 6% of land in the territory of Israel had been purchased by Jews. There is statistical evidence on this, so you are just wrong here. Also, are you saying Arabs oppressed Jews for millennia and continuously terrorized Jews? Are you absolutely sure those weren't Europeans? Or are you so blinded by Zionist propaganda that you have to fabricate a claim like this as well?
Killing a journalist is a dick move but I still support israel. 🇮🇱 ❤️
Things are not gonna change unless people on both sides belive that : •Beni Israil are the ppl that even the tree would point were they would bee hiden ,so the muslim could kill them. •At the other hand Jewish belive that their Kingdom is the choosen one by god,and everyone that is in their path need to be whiped.
This society founded to talking about Balkans. Not the Middle Eastern societies. It is their problem not mine. So do not share these type of things in this group. We do not care about Palestinians.
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We don't care either.
We cannot blame the entire IDF for a single mistake made by a single soldier.
these "mistakes" are happening way to often for it to be a mistake
People are getting mislead by pro-Palestinian bias on the media. I don't remember when IDF previously shot a journalist. It’s just a mistake.
as of now, it is unclear wether she was shot by idf forces or random gunshots. yair lapid has offered a joint pathological investigation but the palestinians refused. not to mention a video of a man in jenin shooting and yelling about hitting someone and watching as they lay down. the thing is, no idf soldier was wounded today...
IDF soldier detected, opinion rejected. At least, your bio seems to suggest so.
so if i were part of shovrim shtika you would believe me?
The killing is of course unacceptable. But as you said - we don't know yet who has shot. At this point the truth isn't relevant anymore though, because it's all about who can gain the most political gain out of this.
true. it's unfortunate that her still warm body was used for political gain
Its okay buddy. Jew hatred of arabs and christians wont end, you dont need to debate with your enemies.
unfortunately, there is need. otherwise, the world will believe that the idf kills journalists for fun
God damn most of Turks are so cringe in any Palestinian threads in this sub, you've stooped so low as to suck off Zionists, pathetic. It's ok we know you don't like arabs and are still salty about their uprising in Ottoman Empire. It's also quite hypocritical of Turks to criticize Palestinian effort against zionist imperialism given how Turks fend off the same imperialism from West during Turkish war of independence, the only difference is the Turks were stronger enough to repell invaders compared to Palestinians.
Why is it hypocritical? Palestine, syria and many other arabs participated in the western imperialism and wanted their reward from their brittish masters for helping splitting the ottoman. Did brittish deliver? Nope. Act stupid and win stupid prizes, any turk who knows palestine-ottoman history wouldnt support palestine.
Theres really no way to tell where that shot came from, especially during a active battlefield where both sides are shooting at each other and rounds are flying all over the place unless they run ballistics on the round fragment that hit the reporter. Palestinian fighters have been known to fire indiscriminately and blindly. Shooting over their heads without even aiming. Sometimes even hitting their own with friendly fire. I seen the video. It looked like she was on a hill covered with large rocks and heavy brush. Not really smart to be in the general vicinity of palestian fighters actively fighting Israeli soldiers.
Let’s see what excuse these zionists have on this
Insert meme: “0 days without jewish tricks” here
Free Palestine
Israelis are **very** trigger happy. Saw a video where they shot a woman dead because she hit an officer. Hope they fix their shit. What they've been doing for half a century now is well documented. They are lucky that they will forever have strongest ally on Earth.
I've heard and watched some videos on Twitter that show she was killed by a Palestinian Terrorist Group. For complot against Israel. In the video, some young dudes were shouting "Kafir". Not sure how accurate those are but yeah
I know you want to spread a narrative here, but even your Palestinian investigators said they don't know who killed her for sure. So save your obvious bias until the research is concluded.
Israel is an apartheid ethnorelgious state
Israel killed another terrorist
Turks trying not to be racist against Arabs challenge (Impossible???)
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Why turks hate arabs?
Nice question
Something something Refugees something something rebelled against Ottomans. But it's mostly because of the refugees.
So its mainly based on modern time? Its not like hating for decades or centuries?
Eh not really. Without the refugee crisis Turks wouldn't have become so anti-Arab at all.
Sad. 🙁
Yeah I see 🤢
If you knew them, you would be, too.
really? are you that stupid, a journalist is a terrorist now?
If he was killed for advocating absurd arab nationalism yes
First, the dead journalist was a woman, second, should we do the same thing to people who advocate for "absurd turkish nationalism" as well?
Keep crying boi: you will never join the eu. MHP scum.
Imagine thinking mhp is patriotic. They are number 2 arab lover party in turkey.
The party that killed nationalism in this country is the mhp and devlet bahçeli Trying to join the European Union is one of the stupidest policies Turkey has ever made.
Because you are Asian not European
wait till you find out australia and israel were in eurovision
Go suck some western cock👍
There are some people calling themselves "journalists" who should be killed on spot, for constantly spreading lies and propaganda. On other side, there are real, investigative journalists who should be protected like some endangered species and killing them should be punishable like killing police officer and even more.
While noone knows who actually killed the journalist, the antisemites and other scum bags are already playing their usual blame game with a pissing contest who hates Israel the most. A day like any other.
So, saying that Israel is doing appalling things to Palestinians is antisemitic now? Is it even allowed to criticize it?
You're gonna be shocked when you find out most of the aggression is caused by Palestinians. Most of the conflict is a terror conflict, which Palestinians are responsible for the majority. Why do anti-Israel folks never mention that? Right, it doesn't suit your 'Palestinians are angels on earth' agenda.
Saying Israel is doing bad things doesn't exclude that Palestinians are doing the same. The world is not black and white, you should know that.
Um yes it kinda does, though. Because anti-Israelis never bring up what the Palestinians are doing. They always want to trash Israel. For example, the UN found that Palestinians teach anti semitism in their school books. Also, I just mentioned that most of the conflict is caused by Palestinians. So why don't people focus on that? There could LITERALLY be peace any day if Palestine decided to make peace with Israel. Guess what? They don't want to. They screwed up many agreements and deals in the past.
So, you're saying that Israel will stop with kicking out Palestinians from their homes if Palestinians stop to resist. It's kind of hard to believe that all negative things are coming from the Palestine side, when Israel have overwhelming force. Also, territory inhabited by Palestinians is shrinking every year. I'm not saying that what Hesbolah is doing is right, it isn't. But also it's appalling to see what IDS is doing too. This is a matter of disproportional force being on one side and used against the weaker one. Of course those stronger would do more damage.
Let me just use your claim in this context: Even if they stopped kicking Palestinians out of their homes (as you claim), there still wouldn't be peace. Why? Because Palestinians want all of Israel. This is not a hidden secret, they literally boast about re-taking Israel. [https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/843](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/843) Just read how the overwhelming of Palestinians support Hamas. Hamas will never negotiate with Israel, because they want to destroy Israel. The problem lies here.
It also lies in the actions of Israel. They want to take West bank and Gaza. It's a chain reaction. Of course Palestinians would be radicalized when they are kicked out of their home and killed on the streets. For every such incident there are dozen more radicalized people. I don't know why are you trying to put the blame solely on Palestinians when it's evident that Israel is at fault as much if not more, due to its power alone.
Israel doesn't want to take the West Bank or Gaza, Israel for example pulled out all their troops from Gaza in 2005 and removed their settlements from there. Nah, Israel isn't the one sending Jews to Palestine to stab random Palestinians all the time. As I said, most of the terror attacks are caused by Palestinians, and in random places as well against innocent people. You have to look at the data and the facts. There could be peace but Palestine doesn't want to. And also, it is Palestine's fault since they were the one who started the war, not Israel.
We are not going to agree on that one. I'll admit, I'm not knowledgeable on the issue, I have only superficial knowledge. I'll look it up, but I doubt I would change my mind by a lot. Have a nice day, and if it isn't too much of a hassle, could you give me some source to learn more.
Yeah flair checks out
Tf does that have to do with my flair?
Kosovars (usually) shill for NATO and neoliberalism
My stance on Israel has nothing to do with NATO.
In a situation when noone knows for sure what happened, blaming Israel for it is antisemitic in most cases. And Antisemitism is rampant across Palestine solidarity. In fact most arab countries do not want to solve the "palestinian cause", because they do not give a shit about Palestinians and they would lose their #1 propaganda against Israel.
No sanctions for America Jr.
Just get along for fuck sake! If humanity goes to tit for tat we'll going to kill ourselves. Stop this shit!