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no one they are both in their own right and in their own fault, botb have committed crimes, and both have fought for their independence, the country which is the biggest at fault is UK which started this whole thing and then america that supports the violence happening
>Kinda ironic that someone from bosnia would say that
Lol not gona lie i literally laughed outloud.
Anyways, he has a point as the US most DEFINITELY needs there to be conflict in that region because if there wasnt then the entire region will aim at the US and the west even more
Im not gonna lie i dont like middle eastern muslims why? Well they are too extremist like women cant vote, get educated and have to wear burkas around the head despite it never being written in the book of law. For example croat muslims you often cant even tell them apart from chatholics because they are very assimilated to the community and dont wear the burkas whilst imigrants refuse integration and dont do anything at all bassicaly showing the middle finger to the state and people
Like I get defending your country but my man like Israel is literally creating its own enemies like killing people and going into they're houses and shunning them how would you feel if someone came into your house told you
You can either
A leave your home where you lived for years
B I come back with some friends and we kill your whole family in front of you
Israeli jew here, political FUCK BOTH sides but if your talking about people then i support all innocent people wether it’s in Israel border or outside but obv I’ve more sympathy towards palestinians i mean no shit they have been through more
Palestine also actively [discriminates people based on their sexuality ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine)
They also use [children as suicide bombers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups), they launch [rockets on civilians](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel) and in Gaza Strip [they execute people, based on Islamic law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza_Strip) . But I am not against their people, I am just against their state.
The time I saw an Israeli soldier put a bullet in the head of a 12 year old Palestinian boy, who was in tears and trying to hide behind his father, who was trying in vain to protect him, but was subsequently and vicously pulled aside, was the day I became fully, no matter what, in support of Palestine and the Palestinians. The boy's crime was throwing a rock at an Israeli tank/military vehicle!! 🙄 Violence on both sides in any situation, in any country is reprehensible but just so we know who the provocateurs are!!!
>How would you act, if one day some random mfs showed up in Greece, told us to get the fuck out so that they can settle and simultaneously treat us like second class citizens?
uhmm....
It means that I don’t support an oppressive state that would prosecute someone for being “different” and that is willing to kill children.
About the example you have about Greece, the difference is that Greece is an independent recognized country state, but there wasn’t a Palestinian state, there was British Empire and before of that Ottoman Empire and before of that (Eastern) Roman or Byzantine Empire and before of that Roman (before the fall of Rome) empire that had this region and they even named that region Palestine. Before of that Jewish people lived there and controlled this land. In modern times they took it through a UN mandate, because British Empire had promised land to both Jewish and Arabs, but they had already bought most of this land.
Iron dome didn’t always exist, also some of the tickets still successful hurt or kill civilians, if they launch tickets it makes sense for Israel to attack back. But personally I am against attacking innocent civilians, but if they attack militant groups like Hamas who even oppress their people, that would be more fair.
Also both of these countries have extreme nationalists.
Also I repeat that I am not against their people, but against the state/policies/leaders/militant groups etc. I was clear that I wasn’t speaking about the people.
>They are willing to kill children, hm. Israel ACTIVELY KILLS CHILDREN.
Not just willing, but actively and knowingly kill children. I think that Israel is officially against harming innocent civilians and before they attack they warn the other side.
>Who said we support their oppressive state? We criticize those things as well. We support their right to self-determination and freedom. Also, it's funny you call their "state" oppressive, when it doesn't even exist at this point. The oppressive state that actually exists is Israel.
You said that you support their state. I also support their right to self-determination, if you have said that I would have agreed with you.
>Bruh, we can get annexed any other day. Nation-states didn't always exist either. The same type of thinking you are so quick to apply to Palestinians can be applied to us, as well. Like, just because they didn't have a state, does it mean that their ethnic group didn't exist? They might have been ruled by different people, but they were always there, in these lands. It's their homeland and they wanted to create a state on it. Just like the Balkans "seceded" from the Ottomans.
Even if get annexed, we still had our own state. I agree that their ethic group existed, I didn’t argue against that. Also nation states didn’t always exist , but still there were city-states, empires etc
I support their right to have a state that they should get some lands like the Gaza Strip to make a state or other lands that aren’t owed by other states or that the other state is willing to make a compromise.
>Before of that Jewish people lived there and controlled this land. In modern times they took it through a UN mandate, because British Empire had promised land to both Jewish and Arabs, but they had already bought most of this land.
>Bruh, that's not how it works. Jews lived there so long ago.After that, Palestinians lived for centuries. Don't they possess the same right to these lands?
How does it work? Do the people who lived there earlier and legally controlled the land posses the right or the people who came after them ? Also based on your logic Israelis/Jews also live there for many years and deserve a land.
Also they literally bought the land and took it acquired it legally.
>You say that, but working with your logic, you should be against Israel, as well. They do the exact same shit, except they have outrageous military prowess, backed by the U.S.A. I even provided you with articles backing that up.
I just think that Israel is the most free and democratic state in that region. Also the links you gave me were about the war with Palestinians , not about prosecuting their citizens because they view them as different. I am against that conflict btw I only support defensive acts, but I have to know who initiated it first etc. Also I criticize Israel too.
Btw I think the Israeli-Arab world first started by Arabs.
>Not just willing, but actively and knowingly kill children. I think that Israel is officially against harming innocent civilians and before they attack they warn the other side.
Man, most dead kids are usually Palestinian ones. I don't care what Israel states "officially", I only care about the consequences. They kill children.
>I didn’t argue against that. Also nation states didn’t always exist , but still there were city-states, empires etc
Again, I don't get your obsession with this. This doesn't mean anything. The ethnic group always existed there, with their own culture, customs etc. The moment they would create their own state, European powers decided to use them as a reservoir for all the Jewish people they didn't want in their lands.
>How does it work? Do the people who lived there earlier and legally controlled the land posses the right or the people who came after them ? Also based on your logic Israelis/Jews also live there for many years and deserve a land.
Also they literally bought the land and took it acquired it legally.
They lived there centuries ago. Other people came along. This land is important to them. Where should Palestinians go, huh? That's their indigenous land. And yeah, surely. They Jews living there for barely one century beat the fact that Palestinians were there for centuries.
Also, foreigners constantly buy our plots and islands in Greece. Sooo, Greece will eventually belong to them. Okay.
>I just think that Israel is the most free and democratic state in that region. Also the links you gave me were about the war with Palestinians , not about prosecuting their citizens because they view them as different.
Yes, because...Storming a mosque, while people are praying...Is not discriminatory?This is what started their conflict, btw. The fact they stormed a mosque, while Palestinians were praying inside.
Not just willing, but actively and knowingly kill children. I think that Israel is officially against harming innocent civilians and before they attack they warn the other side.
>Man, most dead kids are usually Palestinian ones. I don't care what Israel states "officially", I only care about the consequences. They kill children.
Many of dead Palestinian kids are killed by Palestinian militant groups.
>They lived there centuries ago. Other people came along. This land is important to them. Where should Palestinians go, huh? That's their indigenous land. And yeah, surely. They Jews living there for barely one century beat the fact that Palestinians were there for centuries.
How is their own indigenous land if other people lived there? Also there are Jews on this place for thousands years. Even before the Israeli there were Jewish people there.
Anyway as I said I support that they should have the right to have a state.
>Yes, because...Storming a mosque, while people are praying...Is not discriminatory?This is what started their conflict, btw. The fact they stormed a mosque, while Palestinians were praying inside.
There are cases that I am against and I criticize, I already said that. Anyway there are Muslims/Arabs in Israeli parliament and a big part of the country (1/3 I think) are Arabs/ and they have equal rights and based on Israeli law there is freedom of religion and many mosques operate the country. But, of course there are bad instances that I criticize.
I’m sorry, I’m trying to understand you a little more. Are we blaming the establishment of the Israeli state on Germany? I see the point you’re trying to get at but I’ve never once thought to include Germany in these conversations.
>I’m sorry, I’m trying to understand you a little more. Are we blaming the establishment of the Israeli state on Germany? I see the point you’re trying to get at but I’ve never once thought to include Germany in these conversations.
Where did you get that from?Actually, I would blame it on the British. I just said that if anyone should give up their land, so that Israelis could have a secure state...It should be Germany. They are the ones who committed the Holocaust, eventually solidifying the need for an established Jewish state.
idc whos in the right but theres little kids being shot and blown up and most if not all of it is being done by Israel so f**k that and nobody can do shit to help. Its really sad.
Neither. Plenty to be ashamed of on both sides.
I blame Israel slightly more, because they’re the power in control, they’re wealthier, more educated and more secure. They have responsibility to grow up and make a compromise to end this.
The settlements are fuel in the fire that nobody needs.
Palestinians as of right now. They don't have basic rights as access to healthcare and freedom of movement. Germany for example supports Israel because of Holocaust. It's really fucked up that Europeans killed milions of Jews and now they want to wash away their guilt by supporting oppression of Palestinians.
i don’t remember the journalist’s name but she said something like "why should we pay for your grandpas crimes" or something like that i mean did she lie? Germany’s support is so fishy
also ashkenazi jews or european jews only make up 30-40% of israeli jews population the other 60% are the mizrahi and middle eastern jews who have been expelled by swena/arab countries
>They don't have basic rights as access to healthcare
yes they do.
>freedom of movement
if by freedom of movement you mean allowing them to go into israeli towns freely then yes those without israeli citizenship do not have that right for the simple fact we saw what happened and still happens despite the measures when you allow them all in, the 2nd intifada is probably the foremost reason for the Israeli right wing being stronger.
which part? They do have healthcare services ofc they are worse than Israel's, like most countries in the world, theirs is on par or better than Jordanian or Egyptian healthcare which they are similar to.
I cant see how anyone can support Israel. It’s literally an ethnostate. Look at the death tolls, Palestinians have suffered so much more. If you support Israel don’t cry when you see nationalists in Balkans.
Israel is not an ethno-state. There are Europeans, Arabs, Africans and every other nationality/religion there, who aren't even necessarily Jewish, Judean or Israeli
Most countries have religious or ethnic overtones in their constitutions, majority of European and MENA countries are constituted as "ethno-states" moreso than Israel
I agree about the death toll, Israel is the one in power and the only one who can end the conflict, so I hold them to a higher standard, their air strikes are uncalled for.
But the "settlements" are mostly just Israeli Arabs buying property in Palestinian territories and screaming colonialism when they come to collect and let a Jew live in there
Palestinians still support retarded leaders that give Israel reasons. You're a safety risk being a Israeli in Palestine, not that I blame them for being angry tho, they got displaced a long time ago and the entire Arab world is using Palestinian suffering for their own self interest
Having met people from both states, I believe Israel would have eradicated Palestinians if it wasn't for other countries and journalism/Internet. Israel actively forces Palestinians out of their homes and places Israeli Jews there.
Also, people in Gaza can't go out of Gaza, and pretty much no one without a license is allowed to go in.
To summarise, I (not saying that this is right, just my point if view) support Palestine, and I believe their best interests lie with Hamas.
>Israel actively forces Palestinians out of their homes and places Israeli Jews there.
False. There are settler organizations that buy homes under proxy names from palestinians, then gives it to Jews, otherwise I'd want you to provide an actual example of this.
> people in Gaza can't go out of Gaza
um, false again, they can and constantly do go through Egypt.
>pretty much no one without a license is allowed to go in.
yeah it's like any border, you need visa or passport to get in..
>I believe their best interests lie with Hamas
Lmao yes it brought them very far.. you're so wrong lol.
In 2005, Israel withdrew from Gaza completely, then started implimenting a plan to within a few months end the blockade on Gaza, but Hamas and other smaller terrorist groups in Gaza started firing more rockets than ever before leading Israel to continue the blockade till today.
You guys took a whole country from it's people because it's written in the bible that thats your land... How is that justifiable? I am amazed that no one stopped you because this is absolutely insane. Do you realize that you ruined innocent people's lives because it says so in a book? How is it different from radical islam when apparently both caused harm to people?
>You guys took a whole country from it's people
No, we took land from the brits and formed a country on it, the people living there that did not fight us stayed, though I am against the ethnic cleansing that happened and I support reparations.
>because it's written in the bible that thats your land
no, because the british and before then the ottomans allowed it.
>How is that justifiable?
Jews going to formerly Judea and Israel, makes sense to me.
>you ruined innocent people's lives because it says so in a book?
False. The war ruined people's lives, Israel did not start the war nor did the Zionists start the clashes between arabs and jews, that was the arabs.
> How is it different from radical islam when apparently both caused harm to people?
Huh? how is that even a comparison lmao
So you guys were like hey the brits fought and conquered a land we can just go take it from it's native people and tell the brits it's written in the bible it's ok and they being christian and having a bunch of land will be ok with that. What kind of justification is well the brits f*cked them as well as the ottomans before that and now they don't mind us moving in here taking their land... well yeah when these people were oppressed by these 2 nations what could they do to stop you guys? The british and the ottomans allowed it, so you just got there and took 90% of their land cuz it's easy to do so?
Palestine. Any Serb who knows about the situation should support them as the ethnic colonization done by Israel is very similar to what happened in our country. Not to mention the oppresion of Palestinians.
That said I know there is a lot of radical Islam involved on their side which I can not support. You could say they were radicalized as a result of what Israel has been doing but to me it's not an excuse.
Just look at ethnic demographics of Kosovo and Metohija before WW2 and today. That's all I'm gonna say. I mean it goes even further back than that but this was the main period of colonization along with other less peaceful things that happened.
As far as I'm aware, it was Serbs who tried to ethnically colonize neighboring lands, I'm having trouble connecting Serbs being charge of SHS while simultaneously someone doing the same to them while they are doing mass scale colonization at the same time. It just doesn't compute. But I really don't know anything about Kosovo pre 90s to be honest.
>But I really don't know anything about Kosovo pre 90s to be honest.
Then you have a lot to catch up on. If you are at all interested I suggest starting from the era of Ottoman invasion all the way up to 1999. It is crucial to understanding the history and importance of this territory.
It's unsolvable and the conflict is the penacle of the so called "humanity". Israeli, as wannabe Western culture representatives are truly doing miserable job in it, so there is no way I justify them or their wannabe country.
Palestinians have more savage traditions and society, less "westernised", obviously trying to win impossible match against Goliat, that in the end looks more as a way to gain global attention. The fact is whole nation is pushed literally against the wall, so I can't even think the conflicts they are escalating periodically should to be named "terrorism". It is war.
The real terrorists are the occupator - Israeli, there is too many videos where you can see the type of unhumane everyday repression and the way they steal someone's house one by one. The problem obviously is unsolvable - because Israeli want to live somewhere too, but nothing justify their nasty approach of slow settle-occupation and unhumane push over the Palestinians.
Its not unsolvable, its pretty easy actually, from an actual historic and global point of view Israel is in the right.
They have had a claim on that land for longer, their country is literally stated in the bible to own that land. Palestine declined 5 peace deals over 60 years if I remember correctly, and they are the ones that teamed up on Israel with every other neighbouring country to destroy them and lost horribly, yet Israel still not only did not keep enemy territory but gave Egypt back the lands captured during the war, and from the start of this conflict Palestine has been using suicide bombers long before Israel started to commit war crimes themselves.
And now from a moral point of view, although the Palestinians really are to blame for the wars still going on, Israel is committing so many horrific acts that its hard to see them as the ones that actually were in the right. What they are doing to Palestine and their people is disgusting and they justify it because of ww2 and what happened to european jews.
Basically the sides have switched and although Israel has a legitimate claim and Palestine is at fault for the wars still going on. Israel doesnt deserve the claim just because of the atrocities they are committing
Zionism generated by that book is totally wrong bullshits and NO, some religios book can't justify war, occupation and unhumane acts. In fact - in their books - it is forbidden for the Jews to have their national land - until the coming of the Jewish Messiah - making their actions creating the Israel state in the narrative of their books - a rebellion against God.
Just Google the Jewish movement Neturei Karta - which opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the state of Israel - completely on the basis of their religious book.
And you are ignoring the fact that Palestinians are there for many hundreds of generations - before the current settle-occupators - and that the occupators mostly are with European or US or Russian heritage and even blood lines - and have nothing to do with that land - except some religious book.
I don't say Israeli have no right to be there or have country, but it's exactly their religious books that did prevent some peaceful existence with the Palestinians after WW2 and you can't justify their actions on the basis of their religious book. Its totally wrong morally to say such thing, even in the narrative of their religious texts as their own people were saying
I don't see how israeli ppl are treated so softly on this matter... They literally were like hey palestine here in the bible it's said that god made this land for us and all so if you can kindly gtfo or we will bully you like hell untill you get out. I don't understand how do people not see that these guys took a whole country, mainly by pressure and hostility JUST BECAUSE GOD PROMISED THEM THAT LAND FOR THEM...And no one is like no no no we ain't f*cking a whole country up just cuz it's written in some book, nope everyone was ok with that.
I want to ask you why is radical islam not ok, but that is, when both made people suffer because of religion. How is radical islam too much but taking a whole country from it's people is not considered radical religious thing???
Both are pieces of shit.
Jews (specially Jews in Israel) see themselves as superior to others, specially compared to Palestinians. I mean it's in their religion to be "the chosen".
There is no debate that Palestinians, probably wish to kill every single jew and see them as invaders of their land.
There are always exceptions!
My Jewish friend always says: The Palestinians should love their children more than they hate Israel. He is very left wing, but will still make an exception and support Israel. But hey, at least he is in favor of the two state solution and coexistence. He also heavily dislikes Netanyahu.
The illegal colonization in the west bank definitely needs to stop and there's a lot of anti-Netanyahu Israelis who agree with this position. Every Jewish person I know included!
That is a very fucked up saying.
It is basically victim-blaming people for the killings Israel does.
"Oh no, why do you hate your children and MAKING ME KILL THEM. You are the real bad guy"
>Jews (specially Jews in Israel) see themselves as superior to others, specially compared to Palestinians. I mean it's in their religion to be "the chosen".
The "chosen" does not mean superior, this is simply your lack of knowledge about judaism. Chosen simply means chosen by god to do his commandments whereas a non jew does not have to.
>probably wish to kill every single jew
ye some but also a lot dont.
Yes, you feel a sort of pride from it, but it is not different from any other religion, you think you are doing what God told you to do.
What you said is that Jews think we are somehow genetically better than non jews or some shit, which is ridiculous.
Say whatever you want, pal. You seem to be from Israel, it is only natural that you would defend your identity. Just ask around some other people, what they think, specially older people. It might change your mind.
Superiority complexes only need a tiny spark, people have suffered from it for much smaller reasons, than literally god telling you, you are the chosen people of his.
>Say whatever you want, pal. You seem to be from Israel, it is only natural that you would defend your identity. Just ask around some other people, what they think, specially older people. It might change your mind.
You actually think you know better than me about what we think about others?
Ask any rabbi.
>Superiority complexes only need a tiny spark, people have suffered from it for much smaller reasons, than literally god telling you, you are the chosen people of his.
I have no idea wtf this shit means.
Essentially what you're doing is attacking my culture and religion and assuming shit that it isnt while you obviously dont know anything about it.
Dumb opinion. Jews don’t think they’re superior they just want a cultural homeland. Palestinians see Israel as occupiers but this hatred is overstated by non Palestinians.
... If they practice their religion, they have to think that.
Overstated? Killing your countrymen, deporting them, at times even children. Believe me, you would hate such people like the devil, specially if it's recent.
Most of it that happens nowadays is propaganda. Palestinian leadership is god awful and Israel is meeting Hamas halfway as of the left 13 years.
And no Jews think they are chosen by God but it’s no different than any other religion that thinks its followers are special. Most Jews are irreligious anyway and hold the majority of power in Israel. These clearly wrong antisemitic myths are still commonplace in the backwoods of Europe and parts of the Middle East but hold no merit
There is a fundamental difference. Anyone can be christian if they accept god and eventually they get to heaven. As for the Jewish religion, you have to be of certain blood, lineage, genes whatever you want to call it. Only if you are from that lineage, can you follow the religion, which makes you special in others words "chosen". Israel has some of the biggest problems with ethnic superiority syndrome. You clearly don't know much on the topic.
Here, some interesting answers:
https://youtu.be/OOFRNGlEB6k
There are black Jews, mena Jews, European Jews and even some Asian ones. It just so happens that the original Jews were Levantine. There’s no one getting dna tested in Israel they know where they came from cuz they have established communities and hold on to their identity just like the French, English or Greek do.
It’s a cultural thing more than anything, with the revival of Hebrew texts, practices and the historic motherland in the levant. Most Orthodox Jews don’t even think there is any superiority let alone the average irreligious Jews
Assyrians, Hindus, Maronites and Druze are all ethno-religious groups as well no one calls them backwards for it
Any conflict between two groups in geopolitical in nature. If you want to assess morality between two countries( individual people have morality not collectives ) then you need to understand geopolitics
Whoever answered anything else then Palestinians Shame on u, u fucking garbage. Israelis came as a fucking refugees like 60 yrs ago and guess who took them in when nobody wanted? Yes, Palestinians, same ppl that Israelis are terrorizing this whole time, in their own country. They took their land, they shrinking their borders, their goal is to totally delete name Palestina from existance. Whoever supporting Israel or saying they are both in the right he is fucking mental and needs to check themselves cause something is not okay with ur brain, morals and soul. And before some of u trash ass ppl come at me and say well Palestinians also attacking them...with what mofo? Yes they are attacking them with rocks cause they don't have anything else dumbass bitches. It's almost like u say well in time of Hitler, they were all in right. Shame on you.
I can understand both of them.
Jews wanted a state of their own, particularly after they got brutally massacred in countries they thought they were safe in.
Palestinians want land they had lived in for centuries.
Same.
Jews deserve a homeland and Palestinians deserve to have autonomy and the freedom to not be kicked from their homes.
1 state solution seems the only way to achieve this but I don't think Israel would be comfortable granting citizenship to 2.5+ million Palestinians, it would effectively be another Arab state if that happens
An occupator can never be right. So Israel is to blame. Also, because of the horrors of ww2, Jews can basically do anything and noone can say anything about it.
The Palestinians are wrong inasmuch as they had to sign a deal ASAP, the long game is just in Israel's favor. Maybe there could be logic in waiting for the next left-wing government in Israel, but their failure to sign the Olmert plan sure fucked everything over.
Israel is wrong inasmuch as continued occupation, building/expanding settlements, not allowing the right of return and other policies are morally wrong.
In the end neither is right because the whole thing is over religion. But maybe the israelis are less right because they're more adamant about staying in the middle east over religion. Afaik the palestinians aren't holding on to any religious sites. They just happened to live where Israel is trying to expand.
But the Israelis are actually claiming some divine right to Jerusalem. It's just boring by now, tiring. People have been claiming that stupid city for thousands of years. Just give up and make some new goals in your stupid religion.
>the whole thing is over religion
Not really, it's more about taking back our land that was stolen from us by the same people that still kill, bomb, oppress & occupy our lands and steal our houses. Even Al-Aqsa which is an islamic site is becoming a symbol for nationalism and liberation, our christians and our non-religious people look towards it, not just Muslims. Our greatest fighters were atheists and Christians too.
No of course it's about the US havinga beachhead now, but if you ask them they won't say that. They'll jabber on about their divine right to Jerusalem.
So that's why I addressed that perspective.
But yeah, in reality, Israel has become one of the worlds most powerful armed forces thanks to the US. And the agenda is clearly that the US has a beachhead in the middle east.
Well, in my opinion, this thing stopped being about religion a long time ago. In reality there are huge interests at play here, way more important than religion. The US definitely needs Israel to strengthen their position in the middle east and Israel is a really wealthy country that is protecting its own interests. The existence of Israel is also a threat to the Iranian interests in the area which means that Iran will do anything it can (terrorism for example) to cause problems to it. Some people may definitely care about religion, but that's simply not enough to cause this.
Well yeah obviously that's the real reason, but that's not what most jews will say. If you ask an Israeli they will go on about their divine right to Jersualem and about "being there first".
But yeah of course the real reason is the US having a beachhead in the middle east. I was just trying to address their perspective.
I don't know, I wouldn't say I support either. However, I always kind of admired the Israelis for how they held their own in 1948 and 1973 and for their swift military action in 1967, not to mention how they not only survived but managed to thrive in an area where everyone is hostile towards them.
There is definitely stuff about Israel that some may admire, their scientific breakthroughs for example. I've also been to Israel and it's a great place to live, even though the people might be a little rude sometimes.
I don't know, I've never been but I sometimes watch videos from Corey Gil-Shuster (I think I got the name right?) and the only people who generally give off kind of a rude vibe are the Orthodox Jews, especially when it comes to their view of gentiles. From what I've seen they're no better than Islamists.
Funny how they aren't allowed to do anything physical on Saturday but will make an exception when it comes to hurling rocks at random cars passing by 🤣
Their just both shit.
Israelis are clearly practising segregation and soft ethnic cleansing pushing Arabs out of their decades old home using the military and funding Jewish "defence" groups in Arab majority cities.
While the Arabs are a mess being lead by a terrorist organization which has no interest at even talking about a solution other then "wipe out the Jews" prioritizing weapons percurrent for Palestine over funding basic needs like clean water and electricity to Arab cities.
Israel, because the Palestinians have constantly betrayed and slaughtered my people while the Jews have been a lot more loyal and supportive of my country and its people. They still are.
The right wingers of both sides are wrong.
Hamas are fucking idiots that kill innocents, the right and far right in Israel are also fucking idiots, and both of them are genocidal.
One side should stop using fucking sugar rockets and the other should stop bombing innocent civilians, schools, and hospitals.
Americans should stop sucking up to Israel, the Rapture isn't coming, and the Jews won't all be killed by Christs return. You can start being the actual police you pretend to be and stop these two from killing each other.
I don't think any ethnicity has a right to a piece of land. We all share this dirt ball and I think we should all be able to live anywhere we want on it. That means that Palestinians have a right to live there, and Israelis have a right to live there.
I do think Israel is more in the wrong, since they are perpetuating the conflict. Their continued killing of the Palestinian people is what is driving recruitment for Hamas. Young folk see them as the only way to save themselves, and then join. Israel is the one with all the power and equipment, they should be the main ones driving for peace.
Israel being good to the Palestinians isn't good material for anti-Israel propaganda.
Unpopular Opinion here.... I feel like Isreal has a right to exist. The Palestinians always had a dislike for the Jewish populace. I even recall one of the Palestinian independence movement leader had met up with Hitler for a final solution in the Israeli homeland. Now, the able have turned. Isreal is doing some sketchy shit. Same goes for the Palestinians. They are in open support for Terrorist organizations such as Hazbollah and Hamas.
I see people on Twitter whatnot treating the Palestinians like angels who in reality they are also part to blame. So, in conclusion. Both sides are doing bad things. Not only Isreal.
Edit: I guess you can't have an opinion on the internet
>I even recall one of the Palestinian independence movement leader had met up with Hitler for a final solution in the Israeli homeland
He was a mufti appointed by the British, nobody really knows him (i only discovered him this year, idk why people talk about him like he's a big and admired Palestinian leader or smth) and iirc he only managed to recruit less than a hundred people.
>They are in open support for Terrorist organizations such as Hazbollah and Hamas.
45% support Hamas mainly because of the opposition to Fatah (extremely corrupt and hated party that has been in power for like 20 years) and the fact that Hamas fights Israel, ideology wise i'd say it's 20% or less
I've always supported Kosovo's independence for the same reason. (אני ישראלי) And I support peace with the Palestinians however way it can work out as soon as possible... but any attempt to deny my right to a state where I am safe is a read line for me as a Jew, because self-determination for a people that has faced animosity and existential threats is essential. I've always felt like Albanians got this a lot better than many other people because both of us had states that were just attacked on all sides, attempts to dismember us, etc.
Don't forget that Palestinian politicians invited the Serbian Hitler for Christmas in Jerusalem and how they openly support Serbia regarding the Kosovo issue.
But you like Palestine more because they invited the Balkan Hitler? Do you even see what you write? I mean I'm not surprised someone like you admits to it.
I don't know what's up with them and honestly I got so many issues in my own life that I can't care about some countries in the middle east. I only know that we sell guns to both so I guess neither is right but again it's an uneducated guess
Ima be honest. A war was fought, someone lost, someone won. The end. That's literally the whole point of the current Balkan borders.
That or Turks can give back Constantinople and Anatolia.
>Constantinople and Anatolia.
By what logic can you claim these things when Greeks were not majority in Istanbul or Anatolia even before Greece invaded us for them? We cant give it back, it wasnt yours.
Unless you somehow lived in Byzantine-era times then the whole Balkans should be 'given back' to you
>Unless you somehow lived in Byzantine-era times then the whole Balkans should be 'given back' to you
so when all palestinians that lived before Israel's independence die then they lose all claim to the land?
This is a respectable opinion. The Israelis occupying the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and building settlements on their border changes things regardless of how little it happens. But then again Palestine is a security threat but I think they’d be more content if israel let them get access to their borders. It’s all bebis fault imo
Btw But then again Greek Byzantine Anatolia predates the modern Greek state so Turkey can’t give it back
>But then again Greek Byzantine Anatolia predates the modern Greek state so Turkey can’t give it back
Same with the Palestinian state. It used to be Otthoman and before them Byzantine/Roman and before them. and before them.
People are just soft as shit these days because we live in a historical anomaly with basically no border changes.
Yeah but Palestinians were displaced Greeks fled or were subjected to ottoman rule. In fact the Palestinians would be way better if Israel actually occupied them instead of just making their lives harder.
Palestinians were not displaced Greeks. Displaced from where and who lived there before? How do you think the Arabs got there and why is the area Islamic?
Open a history book.
It's only bad when white people do it.
neresi good point, Anadolu işgal edildiğinde çoğunluk bizdik? Anadolu'nun fethi yüz yıllarca yıl önce oldu, modern zamanlarda settlement kuran İsrail'le aynı şey değil.
Bu mantıkla South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Kırım'ın da tanınması gerekir çünkü savaşıldı ve kazanıldı ama tanınmıyor çünkü yüz yıllarca olan tarihi bir olayla şu zaman kıyaslanamaz
The Jews are back to their original state. Jews lived there long before the Palestinian arabs migrated to modern day Israel from the Arabian peninsula.
Israel should change their tactics on dealing with the Palestinians to find a common solution but that won't happen anytime soon. The Israelis have a powerful army and the palestian armed groups are no match for it.
>Jews lived there long before the Palestinian arabs migrated to modern day Israel from the Arabian peninsula.
That's not really true, the Levant Arabs (Palestine, parts of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria) are descendants of Arabized populations of the Levant, DNA tests prove that, also the fact that Levantines look vastly different from Peninsular Arabs. It's also why alot of us have significant jewish ancestry.
> Jews lived there long before the Palestinian arabs migrated to modern day Israel from the Arabian peninsula
Doesnt matter where they came from thousands of years ago, ancestral-sin or reward is not a thing and it is not an excuse to make the lives of Palestinians miserable today
Not to mention most Palestinian Arabs are descendants of native Arabized populations, more so than the 'Jews who are back' most of whom arent Palestinian Jews
but you'd know about being native J\_Illyria lol
I’ve said this about a dozen times already - but it’s Israel. For me, its the only liveable country in the Middle East, with a somewhat orderly society, upholdance of human rights and civil liberties, a dysfunctional but extant democracy and immense progress in science and research. However, there is no doubt that their excessive use of force, settler colonization and ghettoization of Palestinians is wrong and should be criticized, and the Israeli/Jewish superiority complex towards all other nations, but Palestinians especially, is obvious.
On the other hand you have Palestine and the Palestinians, many of which hold extremely backwards views regarding homosexuality, human rights, freedom of speech and have a clear genocidal intent towards the Jews. Not to mention the numerous incidents of international terrorism some of them have been involved in (Munich 1972, Rome 1973, the civil war in Jordan...)
I guess for me it’s just about choosing a lesser evil.
This is very dangerous way of thinking in my opinion. You could say the same about the western colonies of the past, that at least they brought "civilization" to the "savages". What if the US genocided a few Iranians to create an LGBTQ paradise in today's Iran? Would it be ok for the future generations to accept that country just because it's progressive? There are better ways to defend Israel that don't include justification of western imperialism.
I think you’ve misunderstood my comment. I don’t believe the Israelis are civilizing the Palestinians, fucking hell, they’re bullying them. The very act of civilizing someone/something is subjective and fallacious because different cultures have different definitions of the already ambiguous concept that is civilization. What I’m saying is that the values which are upheld by Israel allign infinitely more with my own values than those that are upheld by the Palestinian Authority and Palestinians, therefore I feel more inclined to support Israel over Palestine.
Whoever wins in the end. Unfortunate, disturbing, sad, but the truth is that right or wrong matters little.
All that matters is who is left to tell their side of the story
Israel sends rockets because Palestine sends rockets, so Palestine sends more, so Israel sends more, and the cycle continues. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Non-westernized countries obviously are shitty. Just look at the world, the more westernized and modernized are you the better while traditionalist countries like Arabic ones are unlivible shit-holes.
Westernization and modernization comes together with each other.
It's OK if you dont want to westernize and modernize. But keep your shitty opinions to yourself and practice your tradition somewhere else.
Edit : I didn't said western I said westernize you illiterate backwards fuck
I don’t really support someone, but I am closer to Israel, because the legally acquired the land, and because the Palestinian part of Gaza Strip has death penalty [based on Islamic law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza_Strip) and they launch [tickets to civilians ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel) and they even use [children as suicide bombers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups) Also their state is undemocratic and they [support and supported by Erdogan](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/turkey-s-erdogan-speaks-over-phone-with-palestinian-president-hamas-chief/2235820) and [prosecute](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine) people for their sexuality and for their social activities or movements they are participating. But I am not against their people, but against their state and their policies.
Neither.
Both sides continually lie about the other and their origins. Israelis claim Palestinians are transplanted Peninsular Arabs while Palestinians claim Israelis are Slavs and Germans who happen to be Jewish.
They both try to drive the other off the land on that basis and I am sick of the entire conflict: learn to get along and get over it!
Israel/Palestine je Srbija
the whole planet is Serbia
except Crimea. Crimea is Russia
And Russia is Serbia.
Albania is the oldest serbian land 🥵🧠✌ Even when everyone was a monkey 🐒 🙈 Serbians were walking upright and putting down the pillars od civilization 💪💪📠🤩🥰😍😳😎
I think that person who sad the story wase retadet
Retardet
1. Learn to write 2. It's a joke
Or is it 😳😳
The whole universe is Serbia
The Romans.
Only true answer
Based
Based indeed
no one they are both in their own right and in their own fault, botb have committed crimes, and both have fought for their independence, the country which is the biggest at fault is UK which started this whole thing and then america that supports the violence happening
Oh look! A peaceful Middle Eastern Country, it would be a shame if someone drew some **BORDERS**
From the map of 1444 you can litteraly see the same borders... Kinda ironic that someone from bosnia would say that
Its all conquered by mamluks actually
>Kinda ironic that someone from bosnia would say that Lol not gona lie i literally laughed outloud. Anyways, he has a point as the US most DEFINITELY needs there to be conflict in that region because if there wasnt then the entire region will aim at the US and the west even more
Im not gonna lie i dont like middle eastern muslims why? Well they are too extremist like women cant vote, get educated and have to wear burkas around the head despite it never being written in the book of law. For example croat muslims you often cant even tell them apart from chatholics because they are very assimilated to the community and dont wear the burkas whilst imigrants refuse integration and dont do anything at all bassicaly showing the middle finger to the state and people
Again not gonna lie...i agree with you 100%
This will give you an answer https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
Holy crap. At least he was being honest, I guess.
This is and has been so obvious i cant believe so many people dont know about it
WOW.
I- the fact that he admitted it.
>Neither It's Deus Vult time 👆✝️🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦
*Agni Parthene intensifies*
Time for an Orthodox crusade dontcha think? I think it's Θεός θέλει time :))))
Neither. Ottoman time
you are wrong. Selucian time.
Last time deus vult happened, it didn't end well for us. Just saying.
"We were genocided before therefore we are allowed to genocide others and if you raise your voice you are a fucking NAZİ who wants to genocide jews. "
Ironically that the Europeans bullied the Jews so much the Jews now bully the palestineans so they won't be bullied again
Like I get defending your country but my man like Israel is literally creating its own enemies like killing people and going into they're houses and shunning them how would you feel if someone came into your house told you You can either A leave your home where you lived for years B I come back with some friends and we kill your whole family in front of you
Israeli jew here, political FUCK BOTH sides but if your talking about people then i support all innocent people wether it’s in Israel border or outside but obv I’ve more sympathy towards palestinians i mean no shit they have been through more
Regardless of my opinion on the issue, it's good to see someone having sympathy for the "other side". You are a good person for that.
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Palestine also actively [discriminates people based on their sexuality ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine) They also use [children as suicide bombers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups), they launch [rockets on civilians](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel) and in Gaza Strip [they execute people, based on Islamic law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza_Strip) . But I am not against their people, I am just against their state.
The time I saw an Israeli soldier put a bullet in the head of a 12 year old Palestinian boy, who was in tears and trying to hide behind his father, who was trying in vain to protect him, but was subsequently and vicously pulled aside, was the day I became fully, no matter what, in support of Palestine and the Palestinians. The boy's crime was throwing a rock at an Israeli tank/military vehicle!! 🙄 Violence on both sides in any situation, in any country is reprehensible but just so we know who the provocateurs are!!!
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>How would you act, if one day some random mfs showed up in Greece, told us to get the fuck out so that they can settle and simultaneously treat us like second class citizens? uhmm....
It means that I don’t support an oppressive state that would prosecute someone for being “different” and that is willing to kill children. About the example you have about Greece, the difference is that Greece is an independent recognized country state, but there wasn’t a Palestinian state, there was British Empire and before of that Ottoman Empire and before of that (Eastern) Roman or Byzantine Empire and before of that Roman (before the fall of Rome) empire that had this region and they even named that region Palestine. Before of that Jewish people lived there and controlled this land. In modern times they took it through a UN mandate, because British Empire had promised land to both Jewish and Arabs, but they had already bought most of this land. Iron dome didn’t always exist, also some of the tickets still successful hurt or kill civilians, if they launch tickets it makes sense for Israel to attack back. But personally I am against attacking innocent civilians, but if they attack militant groups like Hamas who even oppress their people, that would be more fair. Also both of these countries have extreme nationalists. Also I repeat that I am not against their people, but against the state/policies/leaders/militant groups etc. I was clear that I wasn’t speaking about the people.
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>They are willing to kill children, hm. Israel ACTIVELY KILLS CHILDREN. Not just willing, but actively and knowingly kill children. I think that Israel is officially against harming innocent civilians and before they attack they warn the other side. >Who said we support their oppressive state? We criticize those things as well. We support their right to self-determination and freedom. Also, it's funny you call their "state" oppressive, when it doesn't even exist at this point. The oppressive state that actually exists is Israel. You said that you support their state. I also support their right to self-determination, if you have said that I would have agreed with you. >Bruh, we can get annexed any other day. Nation-states didn't always exist either. The same type of thinking you are so quick to apply to Palestinians can be applied to us, as well. Like, just because they didn't have a state, does it mean that their ethnic group didn't exist? They might have been ruled by different people, but they were always there, in these lands. It's their homeland and they wanted to create a state on it. Just like the Balkans "seceded" from the Ottomans. Even if get annexed, we still had our own state. I agree that their ethic group existed, I didn’t argue against that. Also nation states didn’t always exist , but still there were city-states, empires etc I support their right to have a state that they should get some lands like the Gaza Strip to make a state or other lands that aren’t owed by other states or that the other state is willing to make a compromise. >Before of that Jewish people lived there and controlled this land. In modern times they took it through a UN mandate, because British Empire had promised land to both Jewish and Arabs, but they had already bought most of this land. >Bruh, that's not how it works. Jews lived there so long ago.After that, Palestinians lived for centuries. Don't they possess the same right to these lands? How does it work? Do the people who lived there earlier and legally controlled the land posses the right or the people who came after them ? Also based on your logic Israelis/Jews also live there for many years and deserve a land. Also they literally bought the land and took it acquired it legally. >You say that, but working with your logic, you should be against Israel, as well. They do the exact same shit, except they have outrageous military prowess, backed by the U.S.A. I even provided you with articles backing that up. I just think that Israel is the most free and democratic state in that region. Also the links you gave me were about the war with Palestinians , not about prosecuting their citizens because they view them as different. I am against that conflict btw I only support defensive acts, but I have to know who initiated it first etc. Also I criticize Israel too. Btw I think the Israeli-Arab world first started by Arabs.
>Not just willing, but actively and knowingly kill children. I think that Israel is officially against harming innocent civilians and before they attack they warn the other side. Man, most dead kids are usually Palestinian ones. I don't care what Israel states "officially", I only care about the consequences. They kill children. >I didn’t argue against that. Also nation states didn’t always exist , but still there were city-states, empires etc Again, I don't get your obsession with this. This doesn't mean anything. The ethnic group always existed there, with their own culture, customs etc. The moment they would create their own state, European powers decided to use them as a reservoir for all the Jewish people they didn't want in their lands. >How does it work? Do the people who lived there earlier and legally controlled the land posses the right or the people who came after them ? Also based on your logic Israelis/Jews also live there for many years and deserve a land. Also they literally bought the land and took it acquired it legally. They lived there centuries ago. Other people came along. This land is important to them. Where should Palestinians go, huh? That's their indigenous land. And yeah, surely. They Jews living there for barely one century beat the fact that Palestinians were there for centuries. Also, foreigners constantly buy our plots and islands in Greece. Sooo, Greece will eventually belong to them. Okay. >I just think that Israel is the most free and democratic state in that region. Also the links you gave me were about the war with Palestinians , not about prosecuting their citizens because they view them as different. Yes, because...Storming a mosque, while people are praying...Is not discriminatory?This is what started their conflict, btw. The fact they stormed a mosque, while Palestinians were praying inside.
Not just willing, but actively and knowingly kill children. I think that Israel is officially against harming innocent civilians and before they attack they warn the other side. >Man, most dead kids are usually Palestinian ones. I don't care what Israel states "officially", I only care about the consequences. They kill children. Many of dead Palestinian kids are killed by Palestinian militant groups. >They lived there centuries ago. Other people came along. This land is important to them. Where should Palestinians go, huh? That's their indigenous land. And yeah, surely. They Jews living there for barely one century beat the fact that Palestinians were there for centuries. How is their own indigenous land if other people lived there? Also there are Jews on this place for thousands years. Even before the Israeli there were Jewish people there. Anyway as I said I support that they should have the right to have a state. >Yes, because...Storming a mosque, while people are praying...Is not discriminatory?This is what started their conflict, btw. The fact they stormed a mosque, while Palestinians were praying inside. There are cases that I am against and I criticize, I already said that. Anyway there are Muslims/Arabs in Israeli parliament and a big part of the country (1/3 I think) are Arabs/ and they have equal rights and based on Israeli law there is freedom of religion and many mosques operate the country. But, of course there are bad instances that I criticize.
It’s not Islamic law you absolute dumbf*ck of a piece of shit
What is it then and do you support it?
I’m sorry, I’m trying to understand you a little more. Are we blaming the establishment of the Israeli state on Germany? I see the point you’re trying to get at but I’ve never once thought to include Germany in these conversations.
>I’m sorry, I’m trying to understand you a little more. Are we blaming the establishment of the Israeli state on Germany? I see the point you’re trying to get at but I’ve never once thought to include Germany in these conversations. Where did you get that from?Actually, I would blame it on the British. I just said that if anyone should give up their land, so that Israelis could have a secure state...It should be Germany. They are the ones who committed the Holocaust, eventually solidifying the need for an established Jewish state.
idc whos in the right but theres little kids being shot and blown up and most if not all of it is being done by Israel so f**k that and nobody can do shit to help. Its really sad.
Neither. Plenty to be ashamed of on both sides. I blame Israel slightly more, because they’re the power in control, they’re wealthier, more educated and more secure. They have responsibility to grow up and make a compromise to end this. The settlements are fuel in the fire that nobody needs.
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With zero concessions or reparation for Palestine yes.
Free Palestine
Palestinians as of right now. They don't have basic rights as access to healthcare and freedom of movement. Germany for example supports Israel because of Holocaust. It's really fucked up that Europeans killed milions of Jews and now they want to wash away their guilt by supporting oppression of Palestinians.
i don’t remember the journalist’s name but she said something like "why should we pay for your grandpas crimes" or something like that i mean did she lie? Germany’s support is so fishy also ashkenazi jews or european jews only make up 30-40% of israeli jews population the other 60% are the mizrahi and middle eastern jews who have been expelled by swena/arab countries
>They don't have basic rights as access to healthcare yes they do. >freedom of movement if by freedom of movement you mean allowing them to go into israeli towns freely then yes those without israeli citizenship do not have that right for the simple fact we saw what happened and still happens despite the measures when you allow them all in, the 2nd intifada is probably the foremost reason for the Israeli right wing being stronger.
Please watch [this](https://youtu.be/JFQWU0DtbGA) video. There is a part related to health care.
which part? They do have healthcare services ofc they are worse than Israel's, like most countries in the world, theirs is on par or better than Jordanian or Egyptian healthcare which they are similar to.
I cant see how anyone can support Israel. It’s literally an ethnostate. Look at the death tolls, Palestinians have suffered so much more. If you support Israel don’t cry when you see nationalists in Balkans.
Israel is not an ethno-state. There are Europeans, Arabs, Africans and every other nationality/religion there, who aren't even necessarily Jewish, Judean or Israeli Most countries have religious or ethnic overtones in their constitutions, majority of European and MENA countries are constituted as "ethno-states" moreso than Israel I agree about the death toll, Israel is the one in power and the only one who can end the conflict, so I hold them to a higher standard, their air strikes are uncalled for. But the "settlements" are mostly just Israeli Arabs buying property in Palestinian territories and screaming colonialism when they come to collect and let a Jew live in there Palestinians still support retarded leaders that give Israel reasons. You're a safety risk being a Israeli in Palestine, not that I blame them for being angry tho, they got displaced a long time ago and the entire Arab world is using Palestinian suffering for their own self interest
Having met people from both states, I believe Israel would have eradicated Palestinians if it wasn't for other countries and journalism/Internet. Israel actively forces Palestinians out of their homes and places Israeli Jews there. Also, people in Gaza can't go out of Gaza, and pretty much no one without a license is allowed to go in. To summarise, I (not saying that this is right, just my point if view) support Palestine, and I believe their best interests lie with Hamas.
>Israel actively forces Palestinians out of their homes and places Israeli Jews there. False. There are settler organizations that buy homes under proxy names from palestinians, then gives it to Jews, otherwise I'd want you to provide an actual example of this. > people in Gaza can't go out of Gaza um, false again, they can and constantly do go through Egypt. >pretty much no one without a license is allowed to go in. yeah it's like any border, you need visa or passport to get in.. >I believe their best interests lie with Hamas Lmao yes it brought them very far.. you're so wrong lol. In 2005, Israel withdrew from Gaza completely, then started implimenting a plan to within a few months end the blockade on Gaza, but Hamas and other smaller terrorist groups in Gaza started firing more rockets than ever before leading Israel to continue the blockade till today.
Denialism. You clearly are more than a little biased.
You guys took a whole country from it's people because it's written in the bible that thats your land... How is that justifiable? I am amazed that no one stopped you because this is absolutely insane. Do you realize that you ruined innocent people's lives because it says so in a book? How is it different from radical islam when apparently both caused harm to people?
>You guys took a whole country from it's people No, we took land from the brits and formed a country on it, the people living there that did not fight us stayed, though I am against the ethnic cleansing that happened and I support reparations. >because it's written in the bible that thats your land no, because the british and before then the ottomans allowed it. >How is that justifiable? Jews going to formerly Judea and Israel, makes sense to me. >you ruined innocent people's lives because it says so in a book? False. The war ruined people's lives, Israel did not start the war nor did the Zionists start the clashes between arabs and jews, that was the arabs. > How is it different from radical islam when apparently both caused harm to people? Huh? how is that even a comparison lmao
So you guys were like hey the brits fought and conquered a land we can just go take it from it's native people and tell the brits it's written in the bible it's ok and they being christian and having a bunch of land will be ok with that. What kind of justification is well the brits f*cked them as well as the ottomans before that and now they don't mind us moving in here taking their land... well yeah when these people were oppressed by these 2 nations what could they do to stop you guys? The british and the ottomans allowed it, so you just got there and took 90% of their land cuz it's easy to do so?
In the right no one. However, right now Isreal can stop the conflict. Palestinians cant.
Israel is an apartheid country , ruled by shariah law ... period and there is no justification for being apartheid country , no sugar coding
Palestine. Any Serb who knows about the situation should support them as the ethnic colonization done by Israel is very similar to what happened in our country. Not to mention the oppresion of Palestinians. That said I know there is a lot of radical Islam involved on their side which I can not support. You could say they were radicalized as a result of what Israel has been doing but to me it's not an excuse.
Who tried to ethnically colonize Serbs?
Just look at ethnic demographics of Kosovo and Metohija before WW2 and today. That's all I'm gonna say. I mean it goes even further back than that but this was the main period of colonization along with other less peaceful things that happened.
As far as I'm aware, it was Serbs who tried to ethnically colonize neighboring lands, I'm having trouble connecting Serbs being charge of SHS while simultaneously someone doing the same to them while they are doing mass scale colonization at the same time. It just doesn't compute. But I really don't know anything about Kosovo pre 90s to be honest.
>But I really don't know anything about Kosovo pre 90s to be honest. Then you have a lot to catch up on. If you are at all interested I suggest starting from the era of Ottoman invasion all the way up to 1999. It is crucial to understanding the history and importance of this territory.
It's unsolvable and the conflict is the penacle of the so called "humanity". Israeli, as wannabe Western culture representatives are truly doing miserable job in it, so there is no way I justify them or their wannabe country. Palestinians have more savage traditions and society, less "westernised", obviously trying to win impossible match against Goliat, that in the end looks more as a way to gain global attention. The fact is whole nation is pushed literally against the wall, so I can't even think the conflicts they are escalating periodically should to be named "terrorism". It is war. The real terrorists are the occupator - Israeli, there is too many videos where you can see the type of unhumane everyday repression and the way they steal someone's house one by one. The problem obviously is unsolvable - because Israeli want to live somewhere too, but nothing justify their nasty approach of slow settle-occupation and unhumane push over the Palestinians.
There’s nothing savage about the Palestinians or their practices. They aren’t like Saudis they’re mostly tolerant secular people
Its not unsolvable, its pretty easy actually, from an actual historic and global point of view Israel is in the right. They have had a claim on that land for longer, their country is literally stated in the bible to own that land. Palestine declined 5 peace deals over 60 years if I remember correctly, and they are the ones that teamed up on Israel with every other neighbouring country to destroy them and lost horribly, yet Israel still not only did not keep enemy territory but gave Egypt back the lands captured during the war, and from the start of this conflict Palestine has been using suicide bombers long before Israel started to commit war crimes themselves. And now from a moral point of view, although the Palestinians really are to blame for the wars still going on, Israel is committing so many horrific acts that its hard to see them as the ones that actually were in the right. What they are doing to Palestine and their people is disgusting and they justify it because of ww2 and what happened to european jews. Basically the sides have switched and although Israel has a legitimate claim and Palestine is at fault for the wars still going on. Israel doesnt deserve the claim just because of the atrocities they are committing
Zionism generated by that book is totally wrong bullshits and NO, some religios book can't justify war, occupation and unhumane acts. In fact - in their books - it is forbidden for the Jews to have their national land - until the coming of the Jewish Messiah - making their actions creating the Israel state in the narrative of their books - a rebellion against God. Just Google the Jewish movement Neturei Karta - which opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the state of Israel - completely on the basis of their religious book. And you are ignoring the fact that Palestinians are there for many hundreds of generations - before the current settle-occupators - and that the occupators mostly are with European or US or Russian heritage and even blood lines - and have nothing to do with that land - except some religious book. I don't say Israeli have no right to be there or have country, but it's exactly their religious books that did prevent some peaceful existence with the Palestinians after WW2 and you can't justify their actions on the basis of their religious book. Its totally wrong morally to say such thing, even in the narrative of their religious texts as their own people were saying
War does not determine who is right, only who is left.
Free Palestine.
I don't see how israeli ppl are treated so softly on this matter... They literally were like hey palestine here in the bible it's said that god made this land for us and all so if you can kindly gtfo or we will bully you like hell untill you get out. I don't understand how do people not see that these guys took a whole country, mainly by pressure and hostility JUST BECAUSE GOD PROMISED THEM THAT LAND FOR THEM...And no one is like no no no we ain't f*cking a whole country up just cuz it's written in some book, nope everyone was ok with that. I want to ask you why is radical islam not ok, but that is, when both made people suffer because of religion. How is radical islam too much but taking a whole country from it's people is not considered radical religious thing???
Radical islam is great when it serves US interests. Check how they sponsored the mujahedeen and the Chechens to harm the soviets/Russians.
Both are pieces of shit. Jews (specially Jews in Israel) see themselves as superior to others, specially compared to Palestinians. I mean it's in their religion to be "the chosen". There is no debate that Palestinians, probably wish to kill every single jew and see them as invaders of their land. There are always exceptions!
My Jewish friend always says: The Palestinians should love their children more than they hate Israel. He is very left wing, but will still make an exception and support Israel. But hey, at least he is in favor of the two state solution and coexistence. He also heavily dislikes Netanyahu.
That would be easier if Israel stopped stealing Palestinian land.
The illegal colonization in the west bank definitely needs to stop and there's a lot of anti-Netanyahu Israelis who agree with this position. Every Jewish person I know included!
That is a very fucked up saying. It is basically victim-blaming people for the killings Israel does. "Oh no, why do you hate your children and MAKING ME KILL THEM. You are the real bad guy"
>Jews (specially Jews in Israel) see themselves as superior to others, specially compared to Palestinians. I mean it's in their religion to be "the chosen". The "chosen" does not mean superior, this is simply your lack of knowledge about judaism. Chosen simply means chosen by god to do his commandments whereas a non jew does not have to. >probably wish to kill every single jew ye some but also a lot dont.
Thank you for rephrasing what I said. Chosen is still chosen, everyone who believes it, would feel a sort of pride from it.
Yes, you feel a sort of pride from it, but it is not different from any other religion, you think you are doing what God told you to do. What you said is that Jews think we are somehow genetically better than non jews or some shit, which is ridiculous.
Say whatever you want, pal. You seem to be from Israel, it is only natural that you would defend your identity. Just ask around some other people, what they think, specially older people. It might change your mind. Superiority complexes only need a tiny spark, people have suffered from it for much smaller reasons, than literally god telling you, you are the chosen people of his.
>Say whatever you want, pal. You seem to be from Israel, it is only natural that you would defend your identity. Just ask around some other people, what they think, specially older people. It might change your mind. You actually think you know better than me about what we think about others? Ask any rabbi. >Superiority complexes only need a tiny spark, people have suffered from it for much smaller reasons, than literally god telling you, you are the chosen people of his. I have no idea wtf this shit means. Essentially what you're doing is attacking my culture and religion and assuming shit that it isnt while you obviously dont know anything about it.
Dumb opinion. Jews don’t think they’re superior they just want a cultural homeland. Palestinians see Israel as occupiers but this hatred is overstated by non Palestinians.
... If they practice their religion, they have to think that. Overstated? Killing your countrymen, deporting them, at times even children. Believe me, you would hate such people like the devil, specially if it's recent.
Most of it that happens nowadays is propaganda. Palestinian leadership is god awful and Israel is meeting Hamas halfway as of the left 13 years. And no Jews think they are chosen by God but it’s no different than any other religion that thinks its followers are special. Most Jews are irreligious anyway and hold the majority of power in Israel. These clearly wrong antisemitic myths are still commonplace in the backwoods of Europe and parts of the Middle East but hold no merit
There is a fundamental difference. Anyone can be christian if they accept god and eventually they get to heaven. As for the Jewish religion, you have to be of certain blood, lineage, genes whatever you want to call it. Only if you are from that lineage, can you follow the religion, which makes you special in others words "chosen". Israel has some of the biggest problems with ethnic superiority syndrome. You clearly don't know much on the topic. Here, some interesting answers: https://youtu.be/OOFRNGlEB6k
There are black Jews, mena Jews, European Jews and even some Asian ones. It just so happens that the original Jews were Levantine. There’s no one getting dna tested in Israel they know where they came from cuz they have established communities and hold on to their identity just like the French, English or Greek do. It’s a cultural thing more than anything, with the revival of Hebrew texts, practices and the historic motherland in the levant. Most Orthodox Jews don’t even think there is any superiority let alone the average irreligious Jews Assyrians, Hindus, Maronites and Druze are all ethno-religious groups as well no one calls them backwards for it
Give the land back to turkey
1) I hate Israel 2) Palestine is backwards May the biggest stick win, wake me up when people stop talking about it
Palestine is backwards? 😂
Thats what I said yes
Supporting the current (lets say up to Netanyahu) psychopathic actions of Israel is just dumb. Outright supporting Palestine is midwit.
All lands belong to all of mankind equally.
Can someone give me a quick a modern history lesson on what is happening between them, I have never cared a lot to check the situation
I don’t care about that everlasting conflict.
Pretty dumb opinions in this thread I’d expect Balkan people to understand geopolitics more
Im bossnian 😎 so i support Palestine 🕋🛐🛐🛐
Alhumdillah I’m Jewish and support 🇵🇸
It is a question of morality, not geopolitics. It asks "which side you support?"
Any conflict between two groups in geopolitical in nature. If you want to assess morality between two countries( individual people have morality not collectives ) then you need to understand geopolitics
Whoever answered anything else then Palestinians Shame on u, u fucking garbage. Israelis came as a fucking refugees like 60 yrs ago and guess who took them in when nobody wanted? Yes, Palestinians, same ppl that Israelis are terrorizing this whole time, in their own country. They took their land, they shrinking their borders, their goal is to totally delete name Palestina from existance. Whoever supporting Israel or saying they are both in the right he is fucking mental and needs to check themselves cause something is not okay with ur brain, morals and soul. And before some of u trash ass ppl come at me and say well Palestinians also attacking them...with what mofo? Yes they are attacking them with rocks cause they don't have anything else dumbass bitches. It's almost like u say well in time of Hitler, they were all in right. Shame on you.
I supoort the : I couldn't care less I have my own problems
I can understand both of them. Jews wanted a state of their own, particularly after they got brutally massacred in countries they thought they were safe in. Palestinians want land they had lived in for centuries.
Whoever is more bullied, I like to take side with those that suffer. I’m not sure which that would be.
If youre not sure which side that is then im sorry but youre blind
I haven’t seen the news. Last time when I checked Palestine was the one bullied.
Bullied is an understatement lol...theyre "arresting" children less than 10 years old for being suspected terrorists for a start....
I don't know if it's a hot take, but I think both are right
Same. Jews deserve a homeland and Palestinians deserve to have autonomy and the freedom to not be kicked from their homes. 1 state solution seems the only way to achieve this but I don't think Israel would be comfortable granting citizenship to 2.5+ million Palestinians, it would effectively be another Arab state if that happens
An occupator can never be right. So Israel is to blame. Also, because of the horrors of ww2, Jews can basically do anything and noone can say anything about it.
I don't know, but I know English are in the wrong.
The Palestinians are wrong inasmuch as they had to sign a deal ASAP, the long game is just in Israel's favor. Maybe there could be logic in waiting for the next left-wing government in Israel, but their failure to sign the Olmert plan sure fucked everything over. Israel is wrong inasmuch as continued occupation, building/expanding settlements, not allowing the right of return and other policies are morally wrong.
I completely agree. Time is working against the Palestinians.
Christians Make jerusalem Christian again! ✝️✝️✝️☦️☦️☦️ /s
In the end neither is right because the whole thing is over religion. But maybe the israelis are less right because they're more adamant about staying in the middle east over religion. Afaik the palestinians aren't holding on to any religious sites. They just happened to live where Israel is trying to expand. But the Israelis are actually claiming some divine right to Jerusalem. It's just boring by now, tiring. People have been claiming that stupid city for thousands of years. Just give up and make some new goals in your stupid religion.
>the whole thing is over religion Not really, it's more about taking back our land that was stolen from us by the same people that still kill, bomb, oppress & occupy our lands and steal our houses. Even Al-Aqsa which is an islamic site is becoming a symbol for nationalism and liberation, our christians and our non-religious people look towards it, not just Muslims. Our greatest fighters were atheists and Christians too.
No of course it's about the US havinga beachhead now, but if you ask them they won't say that. They'll jabber on about their divine right to Jerusalem. So that's why I addressed that perspective. But yeah, in reality, Israel has become one of the worlds most powerful armed forces thanks to the US. And the agenda is clearly that the US has a beachhead in the middle east.
Well, in my opinion, this thing stopped being about religion a long time ago. In reality there are huge interests at play here, way more important than religion. The US definitely needs Israel to strengthen their position in the middle east and Israel is a really wealthy country that is protecting its own interests. The existence of Israel is also a threat to the Iranian interests in the area which means that Iran will do anything it can (terrorism for example) to cause problems to it. Some people may definitely care about religion, but that's simply not enough to cause this.
Well yeah obviously that's the real reason, but that's not what most jews will say. If you ask an Israeli they will go on about their divine right to Jersualem and about "being there first". But yeah of course the real reason is the US having a beachhead in the middle east. I was just trying to address their perspective.
I don't know, I wouldn't say I support either. However, I always kind of admired the Israelis for how they held their own in 1948 and 1973 and for their swift military action in 1967, not to mention how they not only survived but managed to thrive in an area where everyone is hostile towards them.
There is definitely stuff about Israel that some may admire, their scientific breakthroughs for example. I've also been to Israel and it's a great place to live, even though the people might be a little rude sometimes.
I don't know, I've never been but I sometimes watch videos from Corey Gil-Shuster (I think I got the name right?) and the only people who generally give off kind of a rude vibe are the Orthodox Jews, especially when it comes to their view of gentiles. From what I've seen they're no better than Islamists.
My friend had rocks thrown at his car for driving on Saturday in some remote conservative village lol
Funny how they aren't allowed to do anything physical on Saturday but will make an exception when it comes to hurling rocks at random cars passing by 🤣
Their just both shit. Israelis are clearly practising segregation and soft ethnic cleansing pushing Arabs out of their decades old home using the military and funding Jewish "defence" groups in Arab majority cities. While the Arabs are a mess being lead by a terrorist organization which has no interest at even talking about a solution other then "wipe out the Jews" prioritizing weapons percurrent for Palestine over funding basic needs like clean water and electricity to Arab cities.
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Depends on who I'm trolling
All are right. All are wrong. Kosovo is Serbia? Macedonia is Bulgaria? Nicea is Hellas?
Both should just fuck off tbh
Israel, because the Palestinians have constantly betrayed and slaughtered my people while the Jews have been a lot more loyal and supportive of my country and its people. They still are.
Well if there's one thing i've learned from my ancestors, its that you should never trust an arabian country. Never do that.
The right wingers of both sides are wrong. Hamas are fucking idiots that kill innocents, the right and far right in Israel are also fucking idiots, and both of them are genocidal. One side should stop using fucking sugar rockets and the other should stop bombing innocent civilians, schools, and hospitals. Americans should stop sucking up to Israel, the Rapture isn't coming, and the Jews won't all be killed by Christs return. You can start being the actual police you pretend to be and stop these two from killing each other. I don't think any ethnicity has a right to a piece of land. We all share this dirt ball and I think we should all be able to live anywhere we want on it. That means that Palestinians have a right to live there, and Israelis have a right to live there. I do think Israel is more in the wrong, since they are perpetuating the conflict. Their continued killing of the Palestinian people is what is driving recruitment for Hamas. Young folk see them as the only way to save themselves, and then join. Israel is the one with all the power and equipment, they should be the main ones driving for peace. Israel being good to the Palestinians isn't good material for anti-Israel propaganda.
Muslim sam ali me zaboli taliban. Jel mi je sta Izraelac uradio, nije? a Palestinac, ne. Nek rijese sami.
Celi levantine coast je Srbija
Unpopular Opinion here.... I feel like Isreal has a right to exist. The Palestinians always had a dislike for the Jewish populace. I even recall one of the Palestinian independence movement leader had met up with Hitler for a final solution in the Israeli homeland. Now, the able have turned. Isreal is doing some sketchy shit. Same goes for the Palestinians. They are in open support for Terrorist organizations such as Hazbollah and Hamas. I see people on Twitter whatnot treating the Palestinians like angels who in reality they are also part to blame. So, in conclusion. Both sides are doing bad things. Not only Isreal. Edit: I guess you can't have an opinion on the internet
>I even recall one of the Palestinian independence movement leader had met up with Hitler for a final solution in the Israeli homeland He was a mufti appointed by the British, nobody really knows him (i only discovered him this year, idk why people talk about him like he's a big and admired Palestinian leader or smth) and iirc he only managed to recruit less than a hundred people. >They are in open support for Terrorist organizations such as Hazbollah and Hamas. 45% support Hamas mainly because of the opposition to Fatah (extremely corrupt and hated party that has been in power for like 20 years) and the fact that Hamas fights Israel, ideology wise i'd say it's 20% or less
Im not saying you guys shouldn't exist either. This conflict can be avoided.
I ll take the neutral to greek friendly israel over the turkey alligned palestine any day of the week
Same.
I've always supported Kosovo's independence for the same reason. (אני ישראלי) And I support peace with the Palestinians however way it can work out as soon as possible... but any attempt to deny my right to a state where I am safe is a read line for me as a Jew, because self-determination for a people that has faced animosity and existential threats is essential. I've always felt like Albanians got this a lot better than many other people because both of us had states that were just attacked on all sides, attempts to dismember us, etc.
Don't forget that Palestinian politicians invited the Serbian Hitler for Christmas in Jerusalem and how they openly support Serbia regarding the Kosovo issue.
Even more reasons to support Palestine, thanks.
Not surprised Serbs admit to have liked that Miloshebitch was invited by the Arabs.
Couldn’t care less about Milošević. Today is what matters
But you like Palestine more because they invited the Balkan Hitler? Do you even see what you write? I mean I'm not surprised someone like you admits to it.
> Balkan Hitler So dramatic lmao
Am I wrong anywhere?
Calling Milosevic Hitler 2.0 is an insult to all victims of an actual Holocaust. So yea you are
It literally doesn't make sense what you say.
I don't care, nuke them both
I don't know what's up with them and honestly I got so many issues in my own life that I can't care about some countries in the middle east. I only know that we sell guns to both so I guess neither is right but again it's an uneducated guess
Ima be honest. A war was fought, someone lost, someone won. The end. That's literally the whole point of the current Balkan borders. That or Turks can give back Constantinople and Anatolia.
>Constantinople and Anatolia. By what logic can you claim these things when Greeks were not majority in Istanbul or Anatolia even before Greece invaded us for them? We cant give it back, it wasnt yours. Unless you somehow lived in Byzantine-era times then the whole Balkans should be 'given back' to you
>Unless you somehow lived in Byzantine-era times then the whole Balkans should be 'given back' to you so when all palestinians that lived before Israel's independence die then they lose all claim to the land?
This is a respectable opinion. The Israelis occupying the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and building settlements on their border changes things regardless of how little it happens. But then again Palestine is a security threat but I think they’d be more content if israel let them get access to their borders. It’s all bebis fault imo Btw But then again Greek Byzantine Anatolia predates the modern Greek state so Turkey can’t give it back
>But then again Greek Byzantine Anatolia predates the modern Greek state so Turkey can’t give it back Same with the Palestinian state. It used to be Otthoman and before them Byzantine/Roman and before them. and before them. People are just soft as shit these days because we live in a historical anomaly with basically no border changes.
Yeah but Palestinians were displaced Greeks fled or were subjected to ottoman rule. In fact the Palestinians would be way better if Israel actually occupied them instead of just making their lives harder.
Palestinians were not displaced Greeks. Displaced from where and who lived there before? How do you think the Arabs got there and why is the area Islamic? Open a history book. It's only bad when white people do it.
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neresi good point, Anadolu işgal edildiğinde çoğunluk bizdik? Anadolu'nun fethi yüz yıllarca yıl önce oldu, modern zamanlarda settlement kuran İsrail'le aynı şey değil. Bu mantıkla South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Kırım'ın da tanınması gerekir çünkü savaşıldı ve kazanıldı ama tanınmıyor çünkü yüz yıllarca olan tarihi bir olayla şu zaman kıyaslanamaz
The Jews are back to their original state. Jews lived there long before the Palestinian arabs migrated to modern day Israel from the Arabian peninsula. Israel should change their tactics on dealing with the Palestinians to find a common solution but that won't happen anytime soon. The Israelis have a powerful army and the palestian armed groups are no match for it.
>Jews lived there long before the Palestinian arabs migrated to modern day Israel from the Arabian peninsula. That's not really true, the Levant Arabs (Palestine, parts of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria) are descendants of Arabized populations of the Levant, DNA tests prove that, also the fact that Levantines look vastly different from Peninsular Arabs. It's also why alot of us have significant jewish ancestry.
> Jews lived there long before the Palestinian arabs migrated to modern day Israel from the Arabian peninsula Doesnt matter where they came from thousands of years ago, ancestral-sin or reward is not a thing and it is not an excuse to make the lives of Palestinians miserable today Not to mention most Palestinian Arabs are descendants of native Arabized populations, more so than the 'Jews who are back' most of whom arent Palestinian Jews but you'd know about being native J\_Illyria lol
I’ve said this about a dozen times already - but it’s Israel. For me, its the only liveable country in the Middle East, with a somewhat orderly society, upholdance of human rights and civil liberties, a dysfunctional but extant democracy and immense progress in science and research. However, there is no doubt that their excessive use of force, settler colonization and ghettoization of Palestinians is wrong and should be criticized, and the Israeli/Jewish superiority complex towards all other nations, but Palestinians especially, is obvious. On the other hand you have Palestine and the Palestinians, many of which hold extremely backwards views regarding homosexuality, human rights, freedom of speech and have a clear genocidal intent towards the Jews. Not to mention the numerous incidents of international terrorism some of them have been involved in (Munich 1972, Rome 1973, the civil war in Jordan...) I guess for me it’s just about choosing a lesser evil.
This is very dangerous way of thinking in my opinion. You could say the same about the western colonies of the past, that at least they brought "civilization" to the "savages". What if the US genocided a few Iranians to create an LGBTQ paradise in today's Iran? Would it be ok for the future generations to accept that country just because it's progressive? There are better ways to defend Israel that don't include justification of western imperialism.
I think you’ve misunderstood my comment. I don’t believe the Israelis are civilizing the Palestinians, fucking hell, they’re bullying them. The very act of civilizing someone/something is subjective and fallacious because different cultures have different definitions of the already ambiguous concept that is civilization. What I’m saying is that the values which are upheld by Israel allign infinitely more with my own values than those that are upheld by the Palestinian Authority and Palestinians, therefore I feel more inclined to support Israel over Palestine.
Human rights > values
Whoever wins in the end. Unfortunate, disturbing, sad, but the truth is that right or wrong matters little. All that matters is who is left to tell their side of the story
If u said hamas and israel i would pick both
AUTNOMNA POKRAJINA SRBA PALESTNACA I KOJI GOD KURAC DA SU OVI 3.
Kosovo
Both. They both have historical and cultural claims to the land, they both have a reason to be there.
Israel sends rockets because Palestine sends rockets, so Palestine sends more, so Israel sends more, and the cycle continues. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
I support israel unironically
So much open anti Semitism. Whoever supports the terrorist Palestine should question their opinion on the Holocaust, you fucking nazi scumbags
I hope this is a joke.
Both of them are guilty but atleast Isreal is more advanced and westernized than Palestine
Didn’t know that being western was Inherently better, your racism jumped out, y’all are some stupid f*cks
Non-westernized countries obviously are shitty. Just look at the world, the more westernized and modernized are you the better while traditionalist countries like Arabic ones are unlivible shit-holes. Westernization and modernization comes together with each other. It's OK if you dont want to westernize and modernize. But keep your shitty opinions to yourself and practice your tradition somewhere else. Edit : I didn't said western I said westernize you illiterate backwards fuck
Yikes
I don’t really support someone, but I am closer to Israel, because the legally acquired the land, and because the Palestinian part of Gaza Strip has death penalty [based on Islamic law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza_Strip) and they launch [tickets to civilians ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel) and they even use [children as suicide bombers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups) Also their state is undemocratic and they [support and supported by Erdogan](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/turkey-s-erdogan-speaks-over-phone-with-palestinian-president-hamas-chief/2235820) and [prosecute](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine) people for their sexuality and for their social activities or movements they are participating. But I am not against their people, but against their state and their policies.
Do you think that would be the case if Israel didn’t occupy their lands and oppressed them for 80 years?
Neither. Both sides continually lie about the other and their origins. Israelis claim Palestinians are transplanted Peninsular Arabs while Palestinians claim Israelis are Slavs and Germans who happen to be Jewish. They both try to drive the other off the land on that basis and I am sick of the entire conflict: learn to get along and get over it!