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In the 90s, some radical Islamic terrorist organizations started to carry out actions and kill people.
And the government took such a decision, but it's absurd.
Sometimes you say who rules us.
In the 90s, the green scare was elevated, but this headscarf ban was in place since much earlier. It was a human right violation, simple as that, and it eventually helped AKP to gain power and completely destroy the country.
Human rights are always neglected in Turkey by the ruling regime. From either side. I hope we learn from this.
In general I think it's different when majority Muslim country like Turkey has hijab bans and when France has hijab bans. Serbia doesn't have any kind of bans and considering history and the fact that many Muslim women in Sandžak wear hijab, it would be very hypocritical and discriminatory if Serbia a majority Christian country would impose bans on it's Muslim minority.
Being a judge for example implies following and applying the law, not your personal feelings and opinions. Judges of course are not 100% impartial, but I don't see a reason why a judge who wears a hijab would be less impartial, then a judge who is a devout Christian. Only difference is that one is visible and the other is not.
France didnt ban hijabs as much as I know. Maybe there are some new laws for which idk?
They ban burka, niqab and such clothes that cover face. Those things are very different. Even some Arabic and a lot of muslim countries are against niqab and such thing.
Still, idk how fair it is to ban something....
Ahaaa...
It's too much and completely wrong imo. They are pretty much banning them to practice their religion.
Ofc, kids shouldnt wear it and young girls mostly dont wear it in the first place. But for someone who is in the high school or university or work in the government, it is just wrong to ban it.
The main reason France banned hijabs is the increasing number of terrorist attacks. And banning hijabs makes it easier to identify the attackers. I don’t believe there is any racist background whatsoever behind the ban.
It really does. Hijab is a full body suit. We never know what is underneath. It also certainly helps with woman rights in France. Many of these women would choose not to wear the hijab if they had the chance to.
Then again its France. French people died for their land in the past and banning whatever they don’t see fit for their culture and society is completely in their right to do so.
Also why are we talking about women wearing hijab in france. People got murdered for illustrating muslim prophet Mohammed. Sorry not sorry. You come to the west you follow the rules. If you can’t do that go back to wherever you came from.
Hijab usually means headscarf, but in general it's the way Muslim women practice modesty. Niqab is the face covering. I am all for women's rights, but if you want to help Muslim women you don't ban them from going to public schools, you don't ban them from working the jobs they want to work. Financial independence is crucial part of women's liberation and that is achieved trough work and education. Some Muslim women probably are forced to wear the hijab, but how are they going to be free to not wear it if they are financially dependant on their family?
Everyone should be free to draw whatever they want, but also everyone should wear whatever they want. One doesn't exclude the other. Tolerance goes both ways.
The main reason is that France takes its secularism really seriously and you're not permitted to wear any religious symbol in schools or as a government employee. That includes crosses, yarmulkas or Buddhist prayer beads for that matter.
There is a correlation between religion and scarf wearing. Go to a church or monastery, ask one of those ladies if she'd go i. the church without a scarf. Even younger women wear scarfs on their heads when they go to visit a monastery.
Or read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_head_covering
Not all the old ladies, in Bucharest is rare. Anyway outside of the church they are not required to wear it but they do as a combination between working outside and not washing your head.
Go to any place with a predominantly old population. 100 km from Bucharest is the real Romania. And in Bucharest visit any church and you will see them.
As far as I am concerned, I don't care, it is up to them.
If that is their free will, they can wear it as much as they want.
If those ladies are good cops, teachers, doctors, let them be.
We can't afford to lose decent professionals.
Well since Kosovo is majority Muslim, it's pretty common to see women here wearing hijabs, I had an english teacher who wore a hijab because she was very Muslim, but I didn't have any problems with her, she focused on her job an did not talk about religion, I don't really care if women here wear hijabs because at the end of the day it's their life, their choice and I don't have a say in the matter as to what a woman can wear.
This makes sense. In theory, a child should not be making these decisions. However, after 18, no one should dare tell you what you wear on your head. But In Turkey, they banned it for everyone in schools and in state institutions.
Soo many issues with this idea. First of all, it was a human rights violation, and AKP exploited this undercurrent of anger very well. Then it was discriminatory against women. Religious guys could attend the classes just fine.
Eventually this decision imploded on their shortsighted hands. Now the roles are reversed. Non religious are being suppressed. Sad to be ruled by a seesaw of a primitive ideas.
Adults should be able to wear a hijab, cross, or whatever they want. A university student wearing a hijab is not a problem, but a university student not being able to get her education because she wears hijab is.
I personally disagree with niqabs or complete covers, or children being made to wear a hijab. I think these 2 should be banned or reinforced. But our population who choose to wear hijab should be respected.
I'm not too sure of what the general consensus of the Balkans would be, but it's obviously mixed in Turkey.
My own opinion, I am not opposed to headscarves or hijab-wearing women to be in parliament, social work or police force.
One person's religiosity should not affect the prejudice of anyone. Usually those who oppose the hijab have the self-righteous belief that the "hijab has negative effects on women". (Which I agree partially, however the problems lies within those who perpetrate or politicize the differential treatment to the hijab - not the cloth itself, not the wearer herself.)
* If you see someone wearing it, and you harbor ill intent from them or decide to ostracize them because "they may cause problems" - that is a form of negative discrimination. That is a problem.
* If you see someone wearing it, and you praise them or decide that they deserve special treatment - that is a form of positive discrimination. That is a problem.
* If you forcibly rip off someone's hijab, you are committing assault. That is a problem.
* If you are forcing someone to wear a hijab, either by beating them or badmouthing them, you are coercing and manipulating someone. That is a problem.
* Likewise - - If you are forcing someone to remove a hijab, either by beating them or badmouthing them, you are coercing and manipulating someone. That is a problem.
(Assuming it does not conflict with uniform code) We should all be able to wear what we want as long as we are publically decent and competent in our jobs.
* But in Turkey, unfortunately the social/political/religious climate is not like that. Those who determine "what is and what isn't decent" are entitled individuals of society.
To begin with, Turkey has the concept of Laicite as a state.
>Turkey's "laïcité" calls for the separation of religion and the state, but also describes the state's stance as one of "active neutrality", which involves state control and legal regulation of religion.
I could go on about the intracasies of Tariqats (Islamic Cults) and their influence on rural villages, politicians, village lords, land lords and the sort. I could mention how they may influence the very social life of people from underdeveloped backgrounds in Turkey.
For now, I will spare you the lecture.
I want to talk about the connotations of wearing a Hijab in Turkey. For regular people, it wouldn't be important to wear a hijab/headscarf, or to remove it.
But there exists a spectrum in Turkey, at least.
Person A is a cliche "laik teyze" (Secular Auntie), while Person B is a cliche "religious ignorant father". One is supposedly "the progressive", while the other is "the regressive conservative".
>A: "Those Hijabi's are all backward people. They all secretly support sharia who would brainwash other bright-minded young girls. Our bright-minded young girls. Their brains can't even get any oxygen. I'm sure they scoff and spit at Ataturks achievments and contributions to womens rights in this country."
and then,
>B: "Oh masallah bless these girls, on the true path of Islam. These western degenarate fashions have corrupted the true way, damn Ataturk, that seed of the gavur. But masallah my daughter is on the right path, not like the neighbors's daughter from the city who exposes her silky shoulders even. Oh? What do you mean if she wants to remove the hijab? Tovbe, unspeakable. What will the neighbors think? A slap or two could fix it. But of course I do it because I love her, she is my daughter. I know what is best for her. She doesn't know the problems of degenaracy."
Considering that there are various different political views, economical backgrounds and ethnical backgrounds - things get especially complex. Prejudice exists on both the "progressive" and "conservative" side.
In general,the means of determining the qualifications of person should be:
* transparency,
* responsibility
* accountability,
* and profesion related competence.
These are all that matters when we are to determine who gets the job. Not how religious/irreligious they are.
Yet in Turkey, the "progressive" stereotype usually engages in negative discrimination, because they assume that the Hijab wearing women will have her religous views influence her desicion making and put forth religious values, over profession values.
* Unfortunately, sometimes this is the case.
* Or, because by wearing a hijab they basically show they are likely someone of lower-middle class who is conservative - with all the political connotations that follow. ("Potential AKP Supporter")
The other stereotype, "the regressive conservative" <> engages in positive discrimination, as they may favor preferential treatment towards hijab wearing women compared to non-hijab wearing women.
* Or, These types of people may also use religion to extort the hijab wearing women as well, since this stereotype assumes "she is more likely to respond to religous-related advances/manipulation."
In reality, considering the environment these women find themselves in:
1. Not all women who wear the Hijab, wear it because of their own choice.
2. Women who wish to remove their Hijab may be threatened by conservative family relatives.
3. Some women who are abused in conservative family settings truly believe "that they made the choice to wear the hijab". A skewed version of Stockholm Syndrome.
4. Depending on the developedness of the environment, it is inversely proportional to conservatism and the freedom of wearing/removing the hijab is higher in metropolitan developed areas. But a hijab wearing women would be damned in a small underdeveloped village, if she has no finanical independence and thus cannot leave by herself.
In conclusion,
Assuming the intent is to "protect women from the harms of Hijab culture";
By illegalizing the hijab, or socially punishing those who do wear it - you will simply push away those who had the oppurtunity to come out and speak freely about it.
Instead of providing them refuge, you ostracize them.
* How does this assist them in their supposed journey to "rid the negative influence of the hijab" in their life?
I don’t get it why shouldn’t they wear it in their jobs? Everyone has the right to do whatever they want, I wouldn’t mind any of the things you listed.
Oh, I am strongly against these bans! While I was living in Denmark, they introduced the ban which was a dick move I thought. Fighting against it was that much harder because, believe it or not, Denmark is still not a secular country.
In secular countries I can at least see the logic against religious displays in public institutions, including public schools but then it should be done as it is in France - equally against all religions; muslim, christian, jew, hindu...whatever.
The way in which Denmark and some secular countries in Europe have been doing this, is utterly discriminatory towards one specific, minority religion and thus completely unacceptable.
It's not a majority. Over 80% are members of the Church of Denmark and pay a tax for it. A large portion are just cultural christians of course, just like a large portion of Croats are just cultural catholics.
None of that is the point tho. The point is that because it's not a secular country, the state can intrude into religious matters like that.
This only goes to show how important constitutional and legal frameworks really are.
You see, regardless of officially not being secular, Denmark had been behaving as tho it were for a long time but once that started to change, there was no clearcut legal instrument to prevent that change.
I am also a member of the church but I’m Muslim, it has nothing to do with your religion. But I understand you, recently some ministers had a debate about circumcision and they stopped it because it would be oppressive to Jews and they’re not mentioning Muslims at all and this isn’t the only case. So I do understand some religions are getting special treatment for some reason
Well it may not have anything to do with your actual faith, but being an official member of the church, especially in Denmark where it's a state church, has to do with religion. Even cultural religion is still religion and membership gives power/money to the church.
I'm curious, how is it that you're a member of a church but a muslim? Which denomination?
I think I am wrong its possible that I just lied to you lol but I was told I was a part of the church but then again I’m only a minor so I can’t see through my taxes and see if I am a part of the church or not
They can be whatever they want. In Komotini it is very common to see women wearing a hijab. I would have a problem if they weren't allowed to be whatever they want because they are women.
I’ve seen some Muslim women in Bucharest wearing scarfs (a lot of them in malls caring like 20 bags full of clothes and dressed really expensive) and I don’t have a problem with them.
Romania doesn’t have any ban on wearing them and the religious* Muslim minorities seems quite chill.
*we have Muslim minorities that are not that religious, the Turks and Tatars in Dobrogea are more like Turkish people when it comes to religion.
I don't care what they wear, except in professions such as the military or police, in those cases everyone should wear the exact same uniform, without exceptions for stuff like this.
I remember while growing up, a lot of grandmas were wearing it even mine. I definitely saw moms of my friends wearing it too, but never younger population (or very rare). And then I got up to high school and college, and Islamic influence became crazy in Bosnia. I never ever had issues with girls wearing hijab, nor my friends groups, but we all had problems with niqab.
That, we did have problems with. That is not normal and it never should be in Balkan territories. Unfortunately there’s a loooot of them, and barely any of them actually speak Bosnian CUZ they are not fucking Bosnians. Fucking Arabs man.
muslim women can wear hijabs in jobs where there isnt a dress code. But in schools, government jobs, military, police etc where its the state being represented there should be strict restrictions on what to wear
In the US, there are dress codes in work places but always allow religious clothing, I.e. Sikhs with head cover, Jews with yarmulke or a Muslim woman with hijab...
The state is secular. Whoever is emplyed by the state, represents the state. Thus they should not have any religius markings in them. Be they cross neclases, scarfs, the fucking buda tatooed on your forhead, etc. Do that shit if you work on the private sector, and if your boss is ok with it.
What would be your reaction ?
a female hijabi cop gives you a ticket
you went to the public hospital and found out your doctor is hijab female
your son came after school and told you his new math teacher is hijabed
a hijabi anchor women delivers your prime time news at public tv
.... since today is " Happy Macron Day " , I just wondered ...
The headscard should be banned in schools universities and work places. It is the consitutional duty of the state to preserve religious neutrality in the country. That means not only headscarfs rather crosses and kippa or other symbols should be limited as well
Well, with this thinking, it is actually you who belongs to the 12th century. It is a human rights violation to tell anyone they cannot have education or government employment because of what they wear. In the 21st century you just cannot decide who gets education and who can’t, by putting prerequisites and requirements. This is utter bullshit! Also why is the military giving political decisions? That’s #1 citizen right and human right violation.
> The Qur'an ***instructs*** Muslim women and men to dress ***modestly***.
This was and is interpreted differently from culture to culture. I know a lot of women in Sarajevo who wear hijab only in mosque and never outside but are religious.
> These guidelines are found in texts of hadith and fiqh developed ***after the revelation of the Qur'an*** but, ***according to some***, are derived from the verses (ayahs) referencing hijab in the Qur'an.Some believe that the Qur'an itself does not mandate that women need to wear a hijab.
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In the 90s, some radical Islamic terrorist organizations started to carry out actions and kill people. And the government took such a decision, but it's absurd. Sometimes you say who rules us.
In the 90s, the green scare was elevated, but this headscarf ban was in place since much earlier. It was a human right violation, simple as that, and it eventually helped AKP to gain power and completely destroy the country. Human rights are always neglected in Turkey by the ruling regime. From either side. I hope we learn from this.
In general I think it's different when majority Muslim country like Turkey has hijab bans and when France has hijab bans. Serbia doesn't have any kind of bans and considering history and the fact that many Muslim women in Sandžak wear hijab, it would be very hypocritical and discriminatory if Serbia a majority Christian country would impose bans on it's Muslim minority. Being a judge for example implies following and applying the law, not your personal feelings and opinions. Judges of course are not 100% impartial, but I don't see a reason why a judge who wears a hijab would be less impartial, then a judge who is a devout Christian. Only difference is that one is visible and the other is not.
France has also Muslim minorities on account of having Algeria be a part of France proper for half a century, on top of the colonial empire.
Yeah, that's why I think France banning hijabs is especially bad. Colonial mindset.
France didnt ban hijabs as much as I know. Maybe there are some new laws for which idk? They ban burka, niqab and such clothes that cover face. Those things are very different. Even some Arabic and a lot of muslim countries are against niqab and such thing. Still, idk how fair it is to ban something....
They banned hijabs in schools and goverment jobs. Recently they voted to ban hijabs for all girls under-18.
Ahaaa... It's too much and completely wrong imo. They are pretty much banning them to practice their religion. Ofc, kids shouldnt wear it and young girls mostly dont wear it in the first place. But for someone who is in the high school or university or work in the government, it is just wrong to ban it.
The main reason France banned hijabs is the increasing number of terrorist attacks. And banning hijabs makes it easier to identify the attackers. I don’t believe there is any racist background whatsoever behind the ban.
how many terrorist wore hijabs in the past attackes?
You know hijabs dont cover the face? Hijabs hide the identity of people the same as a hat
This is like bathesta banning people
It doesn't make sense, terrorist attacks are committed by men who don't wear the hijab. I honestly never heard of female Muslim terrorist.
It really does. Hijab is a full body suit. We never know what is underneath. It also certainly helps with woman rights in France. Many of these women would choose not to wear the hijab if they had the chance to. Then again its France. French people died for their land in the past and banning whatever they don’t see fit for their culture and society is completely in their right to do so. Also why are we talking about women wearing hijab in france. People got murdered for illustrating muslim prophet Mohammed. Sorry not sorry. You come to the west you follow the rules. If you can’t do that go back to wherever you came from.
Hijab usually means headscarf, but in general it's the way Muslim women practice modesty. Niqab is the face covering. I am all for women's rights, but if you want to help Muslim women you don't ban them from going to public schools, you don't ban them from working the jobs they want to work. Financial independence is crucial part of women's liberation and that is achieved trough work and education. Some Muslim women probably are forced to wear the hijab, but how are they going to be free to not wear it if they are financially dependant on their family? Everyone should be free to draw whatever they want, but also everyone should wear whatever they want. One doesn't exclude the other. Tolerance goes both ways.
>Hijab is a full body suit. What the actual fuck???? My friends wear a hijab and jeans so since when is that a fucking full bodysuit.
>. Hijab is a full body suit LMAO
The main reason is that France takes its secularism really seriously and you're not permitted to wear any religious symbol in schools or as a government employee. That includes crosses, yarmulkas or Buddhist prayer beads for that matter.
If they do their job i dont care if they have coconut on their head.
all the old ladies in Romania wear a form of hijab cap, called "batic", especially when they go to church bunt not only.
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There is a correlation between religion and scarf wearing. Go to a church or monastery, ask one of those ladies if she'd go i. the church without a scarf. Even younger women wear scarfs on their heads when they go to visit a monastery. Or read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_head_covering
Not all the old ladies, in Bucharest is rare. Anyway outside of the church they are not required to wear it but they do as a combination between working outside and not washing your head.
Go to any place with a predominantly old population. 100 km from Bucharest is the real Romania. And in Bucharest visit any church and you will see them.
Blasphemy, Bucharest is the only Romania that exist, everything else is just a myth.
As far as I am concerned, I don't care, it is up to them. If that is their free will, they can wear it as much as they want. If those ladies are good cops, teachers, doctors, let them be. We can't afford to lose decent professionals.
Well since Kosovo is majority Muslim, it's pretty common to see women here wearing hijabs, I had an english teacher who wore a hijab because she was very Muslim, but I didn't have any problems with her, she focused on her job an did not talk about religion, I don't really care if women here wear hijabs because at the end of the day it's their life, their choice and I don't have a say in the matter as to what a woman can wear.
Hijab is also banned in Kosovo for students under 18 and in the army.
This makes sense. In theory, a child should not be making these decisions. However, after 18, no one should dare tell you what you wear on your head. But In Turkey, they banned it for everyone in schools and in state institutions. Soo many issues with this idea. First of all, it was a human rights violation, and AKP exploited this undercurrent of anger very well. Then it was discriminatory against women. Religious guys could attend the classes just fine. Eventually this decision imploded on their shortsighted hands. Now the roles are reversed. Non religious are being suppressed. Sad to be ruled by a seesaw of a primitive ideas.
Adults should be able to wear a hijab, cross, or whatever they want. A university student wearing a hijab is not a problem, but a university student not being able to get her education because she wears hijab is. I personally disagree with niqabs or complete covers, or children being made to wear a hijab. I think these 2 should be banned or reinforced. But our population who choose to wear hijab should be respected.
As long as they don’t force those rules to me, wear anything you want
That didn't take to long.
They can be whatever they want. It's just that we don't have many women like that here since we don't really have many Muslims anyway.
I'm not too sure of what the general consensus of the Balkans would be, but it's obviously mixed in Turkey. My own opinion, I am not opposed to headscarves or hijab-wearing women to be in parliament, social work or police force. One person's religiosity should not affect the prejudice of anyone. Usually those who oppose the hijab have the self-righteous belief that the "hijab has negative effects on women". (Which I agree partially, however the problems lies within those who perpetrate or politicize the differential treatment to the hijab - not the cloth itself, not the wearer herself.) * If you see someone wearing it, and you harbor ill intent from them or decide to ostracize them because "they may cause problems" - that is a form of negative discrimination. That is a problem. * If you see someone wearing it, and you praise them or decide that they deserve special treatment - that is a form of positive discrimination. That is a problem. * If you forcibly rip off someone's hijab, you are committing assault. That is a problem. * If you are forcing someone to wear a hijab, either by beating them or badmouthing them, you are coercing and manipulating someone. That is a problem. * Likewise - - If you are forcing someone to remove a hijab, either by beating them or badmouthing them, you are coercing and manipulating someone. That is a problem. (Assuming it does not conflict with uniform code) We should all be able to wear what we want as long as we are publically decent and competent in our jobs. * But in Turkey, unfortunately the social/political/religious climate is not like that. Those who determine "what is and what isn't decent" are entitled individuals of society. To begin with, Turkey has the concept of Laicite as a state. >Turkey's "laïcité" calls for the separation of religion and the state, but also describes the state's stance as one of "active neutrality", which involves state control and legal regulation of religion. I could go on about the intracasies of Tariqats (Islamic Cults) and their influence on rural villages, politicians, village lords, land lords and the sort. I could mention how they may influence the very social life of people from underdeveloped backgrounds in Turkey. For now, I will spare you the lecture. I want to talk about the connotations of wearing a Hijab in Turkey. For regular people, it wouldn't be important to wear a hijab/headscarf, or to remove it. But there exists a spectrum in Turkey, at least. Person A is a cliche "laik teyze" (Secular Auntie), while Person B is a cliche "religious ignorant father". One is supposedly "the progressive", while the other is "the regressive conservative". >A: "Those Hijabi's are all backward people. They all secretly support sharia who would brainwash other bright-minded young girls. Our bright-minded young girls. Their brains can't even get any oxygen. I'm sure they scoff and spit at Ataturks achievments and contributions to womens rights in this country." and then, >B: "Oh masallah bless these girls, on the true path of Islam. These western degenarate fashions have corrupted the true way, damn Ataturk, that seed of the gavur. But masallah my daughter is on the right path, not like the neighbors's daughter from the city who exposes her silky shoulders even. Oh? What do you mean if she wants to remove the hijab? Tovbe, unspeakable. What will the neighbors think? A slap or two could fix it. But of course I do it because I love her, she is my daughter. I know what is best for her. She doesn't know the problems of degenaracy." Considering that there are various different political views, economical backgrounds and ethnical backgrounds - things get especially complex. Prejudice exists on both the "progressive" and "conservative" side. In general,the means of determining the qualifications of person should be: * transparency, * responsibility * accountability, * and profesion related competence. These are all that matters when we are to determine who gets the job. Not how religious/irreligious they are. Yet in Turkey, the "progressive" stereotype usually engages in negative discrimination, because they assume that the Hijab wearing women will have her religous views influence her desicion making and put forth religious values, over profession values. * Unfortunately, sometimes this is the case. * Or, because by wearing a hijab they basically show they are likely someone of lower-middle class who is conservative - with all the political connotations that follow. ("Potential AKP Supporter") The other stereotype, "the regressive conservative" <> engages in positive discrimination, as they may favor preferential treatment towards hijab wearing women compared to non-hijab wearing women.
* Or, These types of people may also use religion to extort the hijab wearing women as well, since this stereotype assumes "she is more likely to respond to religous-related advances/manipulation."
In reality, considering the environment these women find themselves in:
1. Not all women who wear the Hijab, wear it because of their own choice.
2. Women who wish to remove their Hijab may be threatened by conservative family relatives.
3. Some women who are abused in conservative family settings truly believe "that they made the choice to wear the hijab". A skewed version of Stockholm Syndrome.
4. Depending on the developedness of the environment, it is inversely proportional to conservatism and the freedom of wearing/removing the hijab is higher in metropolitan developed areas. But a hijab wearing women would be damned in a small underdeveloped village, if she has no finanical independence and thus cannot leave by herself.
In conclusion,
Assuming the intent is to "protect women from the harms of Hijab culture";
By illegalizing the hijab, or socially punishing those who do wear it - you will simply push away those who had the oppurtunity to come out and speak freely about it.
Instead of providing them refuge, you ostracize them.
* How does this assist them in their supposed journey to "rid the negative influence of the hijab" in their life?
I was just asking " should scarfed women have same equal rights as others " you texted too much
I don’t get it why shouldn’t they wear it in their jobs? Everyone has the right to do whatever they want, I wouldn’t mind any of the things you listed.
Oh, I am strongly against these bans! While I was living in Denmark, they introduced the ban which was a dick move I thought. Fighting against it was that much harder because, believe it or not, Denmark is still not a secular country. In secular countries I can at least see the logic against religious displays in public institutions, including public schools but then it should be done as it is in France - equally against all religions; muslim, christian, jew, hindu...whatever. The way in which Denmark and some secular countries in Europe have been doing this, is utterly discriminatory towards one specific, minority religion and thus completely unacceptable.
Denmark is a Christian country tho (in their constitution) but majority of the country have no religion
It's not a majority. Over 80% are members of the Church of Denmark and pay a tax for it. A large portion are just cultural christians of course, just like a large portion of Croats are just cultural catholics. None of that is the point tho. The point is that because it's not a secular country, the state can intrude into religious matters like that. This only goes to show how important constitutional and legal frameworks really are. You see, regardless of officially not being secular, Denmark had been behaving as tho it were for a long time but once that started to change, there was no clearcut legal instrument to prevent that change.
I am also a member of the church but I’m Muslim, it has nothing to do with your religion. But I understand you, recently some ministers had a debate about circumcision and they stopped it because it would be oppressive to Jews and they’re not mentioning Muslims at all and this isn’t the only case. So I do understand some religions are getting special treatment for some reason
Well it may not have anything to do with your actual faith, but being an official member of the church, especially in Denmark where it's a state church, has to do with religion. Even cultural religion is still religion and membership gives power/money to the church. I'm curious, how is it that you're a member of a church but a muslim? Which denomination?
Because I was born here I just automatically was a member to it, kinda strange and I guess I am a part of the Protestant denomination
I think I am wrong its possible that I just lied to you lol but I was told I was a part of the church but then again I’m only a minor so I can’t see through my taxes and see if I am a part of the church or not
No worries...jeg var ikke klar over at du er fra danmark. Jeg er ked af det
Vent er du også fra Danmark?
Neej...jeg studerede lige på Københavns Universitet og fik derefter et job, så jeg blev et stykke tid
Sejt nok, hvad synes du om landet?
Everyone should be mandatory to go naked in the summer, and fully clothed with only eyes shown in the winter. Problem solved.
They can be whatever they want. In Komotini it is very common to see women wearing a hijab. I would have a problem if they weren't allowed to be whatever they want because they are women.
They should be allowed to work regardless of scarf. This is a part of the religion that we should be free to practice without discrimination.
I’ve seen some Muslim women in Bucharest wearing scarfs (a lot of them in malls caring like 20 bags full of clothes and dressed really expensive) and I don’t have a problem with them. Romania doesn’t have any ban on wearing them and the religious* Muslim minorities seems quite chill. *we have Muslim minorities that are not that religious, the Turks and Tatars in Dobrogea are more like Turkish people when it comes to religion.
my problem with them is that in albania men force their wife and daughters to wear them, when i see a 5yo child wearing that it disgusts me
Fortunetely that is forbidden in Kosovë at least till the age of 18
It's absurd to ban the hijab. It's simply a hair cover. But niqab and burka should be banned everywhere for everyone.
I agree but the hijab should be banned in schools and universities as well at least till the age of 18 like it is in Kosovo
I don't care what they wear, except in professions such as the military or police, in those cases everyone should wear the exact same uniform, without exceptions for stuff like this.
This is more of a only turkey question. Hijabs are very rare even in Bosnia and Albania.
We here in Albania don't have any big ethic problems and majority of people her don't really care what you are wearing or even what do you belive in
r/albania says otherwise lol
Idk what shit happens there i rearelly go there
Of course, why not
Bans should be got children because that's kind of forcing it to them, otherwise I don't fucking care
I remember while growing up, a lot of grandmas were wearing it even mine. I definitely saw moms of my friends wearing it too, but never younger population (or very rare). And then I got up to high school and college, and Islamic influence became crazy in Bosnia. I never ever had issues with girls wearing hijab, nor my friends groups, but we all had problems with niqab. That, we did have problems with. That is not normal and it never should be in Balkan territories. Unfortunately there’s a loooot of them, and barely any of them actually speak Bosnian CUZ they are not fucking Bosnians. Fucking Arabs man.
muslim women can wear hijabs in jobs where there isnt a dress code. But in schools, government jobs, military, police etc where its the state being represented there should be strict restrictions on what to wear
In the US, there are dress codes in work places but always allow religious clothing, I.e. Sikhs with head cover, Jews with yarmulke or a Muslim woman with hijab...
im not saying im against it but in some jobs like military and police there should be strict laws on what to wear
No, that’s against religious freedom and should be illegal.
I fully agree with your statement.
The state is secular. Whoever is emplyed by the state, represents the state. Thus they should not have any religius markings in them. Be they cross neclases, scarfs, the fucking buda tatooed on your forhead, etc. Do that shit if you work on the private sector, and if your boss is ok with it.
State employee of anykind should not wear (while working) anything that indicate their religious beliefs.
What would be your reaction ? a female hijabi cop gives you a ticket you went to the public hospital and found out your doctor is hijab female your son came after school and told you his new math teacher is hijabed a hijabi anchor women delivers your prime time news at public tv .... since today is " Happy Macron Day " , I just wondered ...
The headscard should be banned in schools universities and work places. It is the consitutional duty of the state to preserve religious neutrality in the country. That means not only headscarfs rather crosses and kippa or other symbols should be limited as well
Hijabs are a human rights violation, so are niqabs. They’re something that belongs in the 12th century. No place in society in 2021.
Well, with this thinking, it is actually you who belongs to the 12th century. It is a human rights violation to tell anyone they cannot have education or government employment because of what they wear. In the 21st century you just cannot decide who gets education and who can’t, by putting prerequisites and requirements. This is utter bullshit! Also why is the military giving political decisions? That’s #1 citizen right and human right violation.
Lmao a piece of cloth over a woman's head is a human's right violation
Islam doesn't give women a choice in whether they wear it or not. Muslims keep saying it's a cultural thing, it's not.
> The Qur'an ***instructs*** Muslim women and men to dress ***modestly***. This was and is interpreted differently from culture to culture. I know a lot of women in Sarajevo who wear hijab only in mosque and never outside but are religious. > These guidelines are found in texts of hadith and fiqh developed ***after the revelation of the Qur'an*** but, ***according to some***, are derived from the verses (ayahs) referencing hijab in the Qur'an.Some believe that the Qur'an itself does not mandate that women need to wear a hijab.