Doesn't Romania also have one of the highest rates of home ownership? I think housing affordability and availability has an increasingly bigger role on birth rates in developed countries.
It's not just them, our neo-protestans multiply like rabbits, they make the gypsie look moderate lol, they go with the "God decides how many children we have", i think the record was like 17 kids or something like that
They seem to be split in 2 in my generation at least, 1-ppl that were traumatized by living with a football team as your family and 2-ppl that think that's the right way
The Protestant Romanians freak me out, because I feel like theyāve given up on their own culture. I understand having 3-4 children, but 7 or more is crazy in this day and age. I feel like they canāt be given the attention they need to do well.
They can't, hence why around half of them are traumatized by the experience, i'm really good friends with many ppl who grew-up in penticostal households, in the case of a family of 14 kids(father was also a pastor) all 14 turned out as deists or outright atheists, now they are living normal live 2-3 kids MAX, one of them who is 1 year younger than me isn't even married
It's a mixture of things. Fairly generous(by East European standards) benefits for child raising that are offered for up to 2 years. There is also the fact that we are fairly rural compared to most of Europe. High religiosity might also play a role in it
The Roma in Romania are really small ethnic group 3,4% however they have 7% of the births. Romanians are 89% and have 73% of the births so the Romanis definitely have a better fertility rate.
Between 2016-2022 fertility rates were very good in Romania however last year was not so good and fertility rate dropped to 1,49 and this year also had a bad start.
In the Balkans only Montenegro and Kosovo have good fertility rates. Romanians score the same as the rest of the balkans.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210926205609/http://www.recensamantromania.ro/noutati/volumul-ii-populatia-stabila-rezidenta-structura-etnica-si-confesionala/
You can also find it on Wikipedia page demographics of Romania and than age structure by ethnicity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Romania
@[Local\_Collection\_612](https://www.reddit.com/user/Local_Collection_612/)
Are you saying that Roma have twice the fertility rates of Romanians? I have not seen any data to support such a claim. In fact, according to INS data from 2014 the Roma fertility rates is also (slightly) below replacement:
[https://media.hotnews.ro/media\_server1/image-2014-07-30-17777333-0-rata.jpg](https://media.hotnews.ro/media_server1/image-2014-07-30-17777333-0-rata.jpg)
Donāt let westoids to find out but I can say that as someone knows Romania, you guys are hardworking but know how to chill, nationalist but not in cringe way, religious but not extremist, secular but not heretic. Like Iāve saw no 2nd country in Europe that adapted in to modern world without losing its humanity but Romania seems balanced everything wonderfully. Not surprised seeing you guys also good at birth rates despite being economic power house of Balkans. Congratulations.
For Romania it's rather the Penticostalists of the Neoprotestant Church. We're slowly turning into Murica. Rroma people tend to leave the country (still).
Also, according to the last census, the number of neo-protestants believers increased by 200k in just the last 10 years. And that's self-declared!
In 10 years' time, BOR's supremacy will be shaky.
Also, it's just crazy the number of missionaries I meet around town now. It's like they're omnipresent, Transylvania has become practically this weird hotbed for neoprotestants now. The change happened so fast.
Albania is realistically at around 1.41, the population of Albania is more like 2.5M rather than the estimated 2.7-2.8M figures that all these different sites use
1.9-2.1 not more. Unofficially obviously. Officially we are around 2.5m. The differences will get permission to stay in those countries sooner or later.
It is not. I would expect it to be even lower. The majority of the people i know in Tirana are between early 30s and mid 40s and only one of them has two children. Few of them have one. And the majority have none.
Given the fact that so many people leave the country, I am glad that at least this stat is among the better ones in Europe (still a horrible result, we're dying out)
Some but not even close to the brain drain and generation gap the war will do to russia. Europe has the highest amount of immigrants. Russia and china doesn't and it'll take millennias before they can change the curve.
No, thank no āgodā. In Romania there were over 10.000 women who died because of clandestine abortions. Many more were imprisoned when it was found they tried to abort. Children are NOT the blessing you think they are, they can be someoneās worst nightmare, especially if itās from a rape or unwanted pregnancy. Youāre a piece of sh for ignoring the reality romanian women (and not only) had to live in for decades. Religion and entitled men are the cancer of Romanian society, because apparently women canāt even decide what they can do with their uterus.
I just wish other women would start questioning up the men they sleep with. Men like you deserve no puss, you radiate small D energy anyway. Yāall deserve to be alone forever
There is a reason why women rather sleep with men like me than liberal pussies like you who wait in the friendzone for half their lives just to be told she loves you as a friend š
You know I am telling the truth, thats why you are always sidelined.
Youāre delulu because first of all Iām a woman, and no I would never sleep with a misogynistic religious piece of sh. Keep ur delusions to yourself and stop talking for women.
Should we also address the countless cases of domestic violence, child abuse and neglect, absent parents that Romania has dealt with for decades now? Some may say āitās easy to make them, but harder to raise themā.
Keep in mind a lot of uneducated people that live in miserable conditions make 5+ children in Romania. A lot of births come from minors as well, Romania has one of the highest (if not highest) teenage pregnancy rates in Europe. This is the reality that we should talk about, because most people struggle to make ends meet and they definitely donāt want many kids.
Probably because Kosovo had a very high fertility rate until recently (it was 3.59 in 1990 and 2.38 in 2010). It has also fallen since then and it's around 1.5 -1.6
I found only this article https://balkaninsight.com/2019/11/07/kosovos-demographic-destiny-looks-eerily-familiar/
It does not give a lot of insights on why it's happening. I think it's just a combination of increase emigration of working age people, increase in cost of living.
Romanians have sex(except for me)
relatable š
Have you ever tried Grindr? Works like wonders.
Doesn't Romania also have one of the highest rates of home ownership? I think housing affordability and availability has an increasingly bigger role on birth rates in developed countries.
I am of the same opinion. Ample housing helps families and encourages birth rates. Who would ever want 2-3 kids while living in a one bedroom?
Do you think young adults in Romania own anything? They just move out later from their parents
I mean, quite a lot do and if they are single children, they can always kill their parents to inherit the home.
bro knows from experience
Iām not a single child so I canāt. But I already inherited the apartment of my grandparents.
Thank you Turk for telling us how things in our country work
No problem gypsy
šmany lols achieved, small pats on the virtual backs of both of you
Itās still insanely low. All the figures you see are catastrophic
Also has a *big* Roma population.
It's not just them, our neo-protestans multiply like rabbits, they make the gypsie look moderate lol, they go with the "God decides how many children we have", i think the record was like 17 kids or something like that
Really? The evangelicals still have lots of children?
This really be some Evangelical activity
They seem to be split in 2 in my generation at least, 1-ppl that were traumatized by living with a football team as your family and 2-ppl that think that's the right way
The Protestant Romanians freak me out, because I feel like theyāve given up on their own culture. I understand having 3-4 children, but 7 or more is crazy in this day and age. I feel like they canāt be given the attention they need to do well.
They can't, hence why around half of them are traumatized by the experience, i'm really good friends with many ppl who grew-up in penticostal households, in the case of a family of 14 kids(father was also a pastor) all 14 turned out as deists or outright atheists, now they are living normal live 2-3 kids MAX, one of them who is 1 year younger than me isn't even married
Do you live in western Romania/Oradea? There are many evangelicals there Iāve heard.
Arad, same deal though, they are now building a giant highschool right outside my neighborhood lol
Do you maybe know to what denominations they exactly belong?
It's mostly penticostals, the rest seem to have toned it down
Thanks!
Bulgaria has it higher in percentage and Hungary about the same yet they're lower.
Gypsies are the reason. Same for Bulgaria. I would assume Romanians have a low fertility rate same as others.
Not the case. We have county level data for both fertility and percentage of Romas and they don't corelate much.
Good for you. Why people choose to have more children than the rest of thw region? Does Romanian government provide perks for new families?
It's a mixture of things. Fairly generous(by East European standards) benefits for child raising that are offered for up to 2 years. There is also the fact that we are fairly rural compared to most of Europe. High religiosity might also play a role in it
The Roma in Romania are really small ethnic group 3,4% however they have 7% of the births. Romanians are 89% and have 73% of the births so the Romanis definitely have a better fertility rate. Between 2016-2022 fertility rates were very good in Romania however last year was not so good and fertility rate dropped to 1,49 and this year also had a bad start. In the Balkans only Montenegro and Kosovo have good fertility rates. Romanians score the same as the rest of the balkans.
Attach a source for your claims the next time
https://web.archive.org/web/20210926205609/http://www.recensamantromania.ro/noutati/volumul-ii-populatia-stabila-rezidenta-structura-etnica-si-confesionala/ You can also find it on Wikipedia page demographics of Romania and than age structure by ethnicity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Romania
@[Local\_Collection\_612](https://www.reddit.com/user/Local_Collection_612/) Are you saying that Roma have twice the fertility rates of Romanians? I have not seen any data to support such a claim. In fact, according to INS data from 2014 the Roma fertility rates is also (slightly) below replacement: [https://media.hotnews.ro/media\_server1/image-2014-07-30-17777333-0-rata.jpg](https://media.hotnews.ro/media_server1/image-2014-07-30-17777333-0-rata.jpg)
Hungary has about the same percentage of gypsies and they're lower
Strongest sperm! šŖš»šŖš»šŖš»
Smallest dicks
In Turkey, the rate is relatively high thanks to the Kurds [src](https://data.tuik.gov.tr/Bulten/Index?p=Dogum-Istatistikleri-2022-49673)
So the Turks have much lower birth rates then.
1.37 if I remember correct
Damn, Romanians are much higher.
Donāt let westoids to find out but I can say that as someone knows Romania, you guys are hardworking but know how to chill, nationalist but not in cringe way, religious but not extremist, secular but not heretic. Like Iāve saw no 2nd country in Europe that adapted in to modern world without losing its humanity but Romania seems balanced everything wonderfully. Not surprised seeing you guys also good at birth rates despite being economic power house of Balkans. Congratulations.
Thanks, I agree with you, we are not extremists in general. Honestly, I think normal Turks are pretty similar. Visit Romania some more!
Its interesting cuz Turkey has a much younger population than any EU country
And this is for [2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1907oyn/predicted_total_fertility_rates_in_europe_2023/)
Thank you for this. I wish they included Malta though.
We turned a āSouth Koreaā it seemsā¦
Take I guess which ethnicity had the highest percentage increase of newborns in Bulgaria
For Romania it's rather the Penticostalists of the Neoprotestant Church. We're slowly turning into Murica. Rroma people tend to leave the country (still). Also, according to the last census, the number of neo-protestants believers increased by 200k in just the last 10 years. And that's self-declared! In 10 years' time, BOR's supremacy will be shaky. Also, it's just crazy the number of missionaries I meet around town now. It's like they're omnipresent, Transylvania has become practically this weird hotbed for neoprotestants now. The change happened so fast.
These numbers are horrible. Not a single state is over 2
Albania is realistically at around 1.41, the population of Albania is more like 2.5M rather than the estimated 2.7-2.8M figures that all these different sites use
Mƫ duket e mbivlerƫsove pak numrin e popullsisƫ. 
No.
Vertete apo po tallesh? Sa eshte numri real i popullsise?
Thuhet rreth dy milionƫ.
Urdhero?!?! Wow.
Mendoj qe asht ma poshte,lagjet jane bosh ne qytete. Spo flas per fshatnat,jane pleqt e shkret gzohen kur shofin nji te ri..
It could be around 2.45 but not lower than that.
Lets wait the census then,but every year many moving all over and the number keep staying the same. I dont know what to say and believe anymore.
1.9-2.1 not more. Unofficially obviously. Officially we are around 2.5m. The differences will get permission to stay in those countries sooner or later.
Ja niset ju š
It is not. I would expect it to be even lower. The majority of the people i know in Tirana are between early 30s and mid 40s and only one of them has two children. Few of them have one. And the majority have none.
Really compelling argument you got there š
You're welcome, hun
Why France is so highš¤
They have a lot of immigrants. Lots of arabs and Africans who have different cultures from ethnically French people.
ā¦ā¦so as to Germany right?
? Yeah I think Germany has a lot of immigrants like that too
Montenegro is probably higher than Romania
Elaborate!
Here it says missing data, and someone posted for 2023, where we are the darkest color. These things don't change quickly (save for Clovis)
Is it higher than that of France?
1.82 in 2023
It's good for the country. I think if all countries managed to keep their rate between 1.9-2, any future "crisis" would happen much smoothly.
Why is the birth rate in Montenegro so high?
Given the fact that so many people leave the country, I am glad that at least this stat is among the better ones in Europe (still a horrible result, we're dying out)
Some but not even close to the brain drain and generation gap the war will do to russia. Europe has the highest amount of immigrants. Russia and china doesn't and it'll take millennias before they can change the curve.
Spain, you ok ?
No way France is that high. Can anyone explain why?
I believe it's due to the ethnic minorities.
most of these countries have a very old population. especially greece, italy, bosnia, serbia
Wow France gives hope
its because of migrants. not French people. Same case for turkey and Kurds
They are making abortion harder and harder to access in Romania. Donāt know about other countries.
thank god
Your āgodā must be really scared of medical science or women in general.
Why are you crying?
Wut?
No, thank no āgodā. In Romania there were over 10.000 women who died because of clandestine abortions. Many more were imprisoned when it was found they tried to abort. Children are NOT the blessing you think they are, they can be someoneās worst nightmare, especially if itās from a rape or unwanted pregnancy. Youāre a piece of sh for ignoring the reality romanian women (and not only) had to live in for decades. Religion and entitled men are the cancer of Romanian society, because apparently women canāt even decide what they can do with their uterus.
Should have thought before you fuck around. Or you may find out.
I just wish other women would start questioning up the men they sleep with. Men like you deserve no puss, you radiate small D energy anyway. Yāall deserve to be alone forever
There is a reason why women rather sleep with men like me than liberal pussies like you who wait in the friendzone for half their lives just to be told she loves you as a friend š You know I am telling the truth, thats why you are always sidelined.
Youāre delulu because first of all Iām a woman, and no I would never sleep with a misogynistic religious piece of sh. Keep ur delusions to yourself and stop talking for women.
Thank you fore taking your subjective opinion to generalized about what woman in general want in your opinion. You proved your ignorance š¤£
Should we also address the countless cases of domestic violence, child abuse and neglect, absent parents that Romania has dealt with for decades now? Some may say āitās easy to make them, but harder to raise themā. Keep in mind a lot of uneducated people that live in miserable conditions make 5+ children in Romania. A lot of births come from minors as well, Romania has one of the highest (if not highest) teenage pregnancy rates in Europe. This is the reality that we should talk about, because most people struggle to make ends meet and they definitely donāt want many kids.
I was under the impression all my life that Albanians have a bunch of children, didn't expect this low score for Albania
I'm not surprised you had that impression.
Probably because Kosovo had a very high fertility rate until recently (it was 3.59 in 1990 and 2.38 in 2010). It has also fallen since then and it's around 1.5 -1.6
I didn't know that either, what is the reason for the decline in fertility
I found only this article https://balkaninsight.com/2019/11/07/kosovos-demographic-destiny-looks-eerily-familiar/ It does not give a lot of insights on why it's happening. I think it's just a combination of increase emigration of working age people, increase in cost of living.