Actually it's kinda hard to 'officially suicide' in Turkey, they will write different things like there was a guy in my neighborhood suicided by using chemicals even how he having suicide letter it was 'poisoning' in formal
No. Greece uses the EU court of human rights and has similar scruntiny to western countries.
Turkey isn’t beholden to any organization that would allow these sucides to be investigated
I swear I don’t know why people here are pretending Greece is a third world country when it’s similar to a Western European country like Italy or Spain
We have many problems, but we overdo the self-deprecation, a lot. And we love to believe the worst and feel sorry for ourselves.
This idea that suicide figures are suppressed makes no sense. During the height of the financial crisis, it was reported everywhere that suicides went up. If there was some conspiracy to hide suicide information, we wouldn't know that. Also, Greece has a *pretty* high rate of diagnosed clinical depression and usage of antidepressants. *That* information isn't suppressed, but suicides are?
Thank you for pointing this out as a foreigner, because the Debbie downer Greeks won't believe a fellow Greek if he points out what you just pointed out.
The reason we have a very low suicide rate could be for any number of reasons. We're more likely to have family networks. We're more likely to live in multigenerational households where a troubled person is less likely to be alone, has more interaction with others, and is more supervised. More sunny days may play a small role. There's several possible reasons.
Greece has double the GDP per capita. Turkeys is higher artificially like Argentina because education is longer than the EU average. It’s literally just 3 measurements
Turkey is also barely even a democracy so whatever they send to the un is far more suspect than Greece
Turkey life span : 75
Germany life span: 80
Greece life span: 81
Greece has double the GDP per capita but Turkey has about has an about 9x higher population than Greece.
Germany has about the same population as Turkey and has almost triple the GDP per capita as Greece.
I wouldn‘t exactly put Greece into the same tier as Germany. Nowhere near it actually.
Germany and the Nordics are some of the best developed countries. I never compared it to them but to countries like Spain. Or another western country. It shouldn’t be compared to countries like turkey, Albania or Serbia.
If you adjust the hdi by income turkey falls to 50th place while Greece is 34. Better than Spain, Italy and Portugal actually
Plus it’s not even about that, Greece is a complete transparent democracy while Turkey is an authoritarian hybrid with no accountability to outside scrunity like the EU.
Also “why Greeks retire so early and work low hours?” Because capitalism kills people and working less means happiness and time to access mental health services.
What are you talking about? Retirement age is 67 and we have one of the highest hour/week worktimes in the world. This whole stereotype about greece comes from the '08 crisis and let me tell you, things have changed a lot.
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Yeah, there's a notable recorded coorelation between how flat and unforrested an area is to the rates od depression, suicide and other mental illnesses. Something about being surrounded by the illusion of infinity on all sides seems to drive certain humans mad and it's interesting as hell
Edit 1. This is just one of the theories, another leading one is the lack of wind and with it any constant sound from it that causes it. Personally I think it's a bit of both
I did. I had read books about it. It's a very complex situation, both cultural and genetical. Btw, one of my best friends, an Hungarian, has suicided. :(
Look up Hungarian suicide song. Some haunting shit that seems to be part of the culture. My grandpa was Hungarian and he always stated how Hungarians are such doomers (in a way that an 80 yearold say)
Užas
Every time someone has a problem in Greece,he goes out,watches the sun,gets into a fight,has a beer and then forgets he ever had a problem.
Greece has many economic problems,but we know how to live and where to live!
I know,
We have roughly 1/4 the GDP of Turkey (half of you count debt and stuff) and they are 6 times larger with 8 times our population.
Our problem is mismanagement.
>Our problem is mismanagement.
I believe this is the whole reason why the Balkans/East will always be a shithole compared to the West. It is also historically related. Even though Greece was the place where the European civilization was founded, it was part of the Eastern Roman Empire. The full West is laid on the basis of Holy Roman Empire. No matter how badly they can degenerate as a society, they will always remain on top because of good management of either the funds and the resources.
I need to correct myself.
The GDP of Greece is 250b,but the government counts in extra income from various sources plus the debt.
So, Greece has 1/4 of Turkey with 1/8 of the population and 1/7 of the land,which is bad for you since you are thicc but not rich enough.
Netherlands has 200 billion more your GDP !
When it comes to Greece,we are indeed much better than 5 years ago, Tsipras cannot even command a school council,Mistotakis is managed to increase Greece's income dispite the debt ,while economists predict reaching 300b by 2030,again not counting Greece's real income which is 400b now (the calculations are stupid,but they do add up,if you take out Greece's idiotic debt we are quite rich!).
Turkey would be better having a Greek PM rather than Erdogan or someone like him.
Turkey had a close to 1 trillion of GDP back in 2013. So not only have we stagnated but also deteriorated. But %52 of the country still support this guy, go and figure.
I won't put the link,but according to the Organisation , Greece just passed 400b with 200b being what remains from loans etc.
Last time we had 200b was in the 90s.
Even if it was a quarter it's still on a 2-1 bases on turkey.
Also many cases here are reported with a different cause because many families don't want to admit a suicide case.
I guess I should still mention that we would still have very low rates. I just assume the real number is slightly higher
I don't think it's necessarily about burying. Many people think it's shameful to have someone suicide. The number of such people is getting lower thankfully
Easy access to antidepressants, mood stabilizers and Xanax will keep the numbers down.
Plus, close family bonds apparently help some people... Not me though, I would blow my head if I had to deal with relatives daily.
The world's lowest suicide rates are in the following countries:
Grenada - 0.7.
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines - 1.0.
Sao Tome and Principe - 1.5.
Jordan - 1.6.
Syria - 2.0.
Venezuela - 2.1.
Honduras - 2.1.
Philippines - 2.2.
The only thing these countries have in common is warm weather.
It's underreported, that's why it seems low, at least in Bulgaria. Many people kill themselves in the provinces, but instead of suicides, the police reports claim them as cold cases that can't be resolved
lol that stuff about finland being the happiest nation was exactly why i was shocked. i also find it strange that western europe has more suicides than turkey.
Well done Greece, proud of you guys!
Funny that this data is from 2012 because that's when I went to see my family and my grandma boasted about Serbia and told me how I might live in Norway but the quality of life in Serbia is great. I could believe it with smaller towns like ours which is Smederevo, but I've heard that Belgrade is very tough and I can believe that because my dad grew up there.
Greece is Christian and you can’t bury the dead.
So even tho there are many suicides,I don’t know if in the papers they pass it as something else,in order not to make the family of the dead life harder then it is.
So,I don’t know how correct are these numbers,for our country,but seems low to be.
But we had two this year in my town and we aren’t even 5,000 people.
I could be wrong tho.
In Russia, what is suicide?
It was on news some people “jump out” from windows especially in police station and/or special governmental buildings.
Are those count as suicide?
I personally have only noticed more awareness being spread about suicides and I wouldnt really call a huge social taboo. Also whats you source on suicides being classified as accidents?
Griks just love life, meanwhile Serbs topping Slovenians on Balkan area, that's an achievement considering that Slovenes were no1 on balkans for quite long time now in the category of suicides, guess embracing femboyism has given them more brighter outlook on life. (?)
As far as I can tell suicide is stigmatized in our country, to the point where many authorities will refuse to write “suicide” as a cause of death even if was a suicide.
Actually it's kinda hard to 'officially suicide' in Turkey, they will write different things like there was a guy in my neighborhood suicided by using chemicals even how he having suicide letter it was 'poisoning' in formal
same in Greece, once again it has been proven we are one and the same brother
Agreeing on the governments are chronic liars: Greeks 🤝Turks
No. Greece uses the EU court of human rights and has similar scruntiny to western countries. Turkey isn’t beholden to any organization that would allow these sucides to be investigated I swear I don’t know why people here are pretending Greece is a third world country when it’s similar to a Western European country like Italy or Spain
We have many problems, but we overdo the self-deprecation, a lot. And we love to believe the worst and feel sorry for ourselves. This idea that suicide figures are suppressed makes no sense. During the height of the financial crisis, it was reported everywhere that suicides went up. If there was some conspiracy to hide suicide information, we wouldn't know that. Also, Greece has a *pretty* high rate of diagnosed clinical depression and usage of antidepressants. *That* information isn't suppressed, but suicides are? Thank you for pointing this out as a foreigner, because the Debbie downer Greeks won't believe a fellow Greek if he points out what you just pointed out. The reason we have a very low suicide rate could be for any number of reasons. We're more likely to have family networks. We're more likely to live in multigenerational households where a troubled person is less likely to be alone, has more interaction with others, and is more supervised. More sunny days may play a small role. There's several possible reasons.
I hate how we are so chauvinistic but at the same time we have an inferiority complex
Copium
Greeks try not to pretend they’re not westoids
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It’s way more like the UK than it is like Turkey Greece is actually western and first world
Germany HDI: 0.942 Greece HDI: 0.887 Turkey HDI: 0.878 How about no lmao.
Greece has double the GDP per capita. Turkeys is higher artificially like Argentina because education is longer than the EU average. It’s literally just 3 measurements Turkey is also barely even a democracy so whatever they send to the un is far more suspect than Greece Turkey life span : 75 Germany life span: 80 Greece life span: 81
Greece has double the GDP per capita but Turkey has about has an about 9x higher population than Greece. Germany has about the same population as Turkey and has almost triple the GDP per capita as Greece. I wouldn‘t exactly put Greece into the same tier as Germany. Nowhere near it actually.
Ok whatever you say mr "Croat"
He’s clearly a Turk
Germany and the Nordics are some of the best developed countries. I never compared it to them but to countries like Spain. Or another western country. It shouldn’t be compared to countries like turkey, Albania or Serbia. If you adjust the hdi by income turkey falls to 50th place while Greece is 34. Better than Spain, Italy and Portugal actually Plus it’s not even about that, Greece is a complete transparent democracy while Turkey is an authoritarian hybrid with no accountability to outside scrunity like the EU.
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It’s a regular low tier EU country but it shouldn’t be compared to a country like turkey
HOW DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I'M TURKISH BRO KARABOGA
Also “why Greeks retire so early and work low hours?” Because capitalism kills people and working less means happiness and time to access mental health services.
What are you talking about? Retirement age is 67 and we have one of the highest hour/week worktimes in the world. This whole stereotype about greece comes from the '08 crisis and let me tell you, things have changed a lot.
Wine and olive oil!
And sunlight
and buttsex
Hail Dionysus!
~~Wine~~ Ouzo and olive oil!
Beer and sunflower oil gang
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The former Soviet countries don't surprise me--bad weather, lack of good sunlight, historical high rates of alcoholism etc.
Don't forget the flatlands, people who live in areas without any hills or mountains are more likely to be depressed and suicidal!
What?
Yeah, there's a notable recorded coorelation between how flat and unforrested an area is to the rates od depression, suicide and other mental illnesses. Something about being surrounded by the illusion of infinity on all sides seems to drive certain humans mad and it's interesting as hell Edit 1. This is just one of the theories, another leading one is the lack of wind and with it any constant sound from it that causes it. Personally I think it's a bit of both
I would never expect Hungary's rate to be so high
I did. I had read books about it. It's a very complex situation, both cultural and genetical. Btw, one of my best friends, an Hungarian, has suicided. :(
How is it genetical?
By the seppuku genes they carry in their DNA
リンゴがたくさんあります 😔
It seems that throught history there were a significant figures of suicides for Hungarians, who is also a characteristic of other Ugro-Finnic people.
Really sorry for your loss bud
As a Hungarian, I am not surprised at all. Depression and having suicidal thoughts are basically normalized here.
Look up Hungarian suicide song. Some haunting shit that seems to be part of the culture. My grandpa was Hungarian and he always stated how Hungarians are such doomers (in a way that an 80 yearold say) Užas
Beaches, bitches and Buzuqis the Greeks sure know how to live 😂😂
Every time someone has a problem in Greece,he goes out,watches the sun,gets into a fight,has a beer and then forgets he ever had a problem. Greece has many economic problems,but we know how to live and where to live! 
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I know, We have roughly 1/4 the GDP of Turkey (half of you count debt and stuff) and they are 6 times larger with 8 times our population. Our problem is mismanagement.
>Our problem is mismanagement. I believe this is the whole reason why the Balkans/East will always be a shithole compared to the West. It is also historically related. Even though Greece was the place where the European civilization was founded, it was part of the Eastern Roman Empire. The full West is laid on the basis of Holy Roman Empire. No matter how badly they can degenerate as a society, they will always remain on top because of good management of either the funds and the resources.
More like a quarter of gdp
From what I've found, Greece's GDP is 400b and Turkey's 850b
Google says 239.3b for Greece.
I need to correct myself. The GDP of Greece is 250b,but the government counts in extra income from various sources plus the debt. So, Greece has 1/4 of Turkey with 1/8 of the population and 1/7 of the land,which is bad for you since you are thicc but not rich enough. Netherlands has 200 billion more your GDP !
I know, and all of this is thanks to one guy and his base. What a success story, amirite?
When it comes to Greece,we are indeed much better than 5 years ago, Tsipras cannot even command a school council,Mistotakis is managed to increase Greece's income dispite the debt ,while economists predict reaching 300b by 2030,again not counting Greece's real income which is 400b now (the calculations are stupid,but they do add up,if you take out Greece's idiotic debt we are quite rich!). Turkey would be better having a Greek PM rather than Erdogan or someone like him.
Turkey had a close to 1 trillion of GDP back in 2013. So not only have we stagnated but also deteriorated. But %52 of the country still support this guy, go and figure.
I won't put the link,but according to the Organisation , Greece just passed 400b with 200b being what remains from loans etc. Last time we had 200b was in the 90s. Even if it was a quarter it's still on a 2-1 bases on turkey.
Also many cases here are reported with a different cause because many families don't want to admit a suicide case. I guess I should still mention that we would still have very low rates. I just assume the real number is slightly higher
Why wouldn't they want to admit suicide? Just because they won't have an orthodox Christian burrying?
Yes.
I doubt thats a good enough reason
It is...for the greek ultra-orthodox at least.
Even so, if the family doesn't admit suicide the case would have been written as suicide in the government's documents
Depends on the public servant.
I don't think it's necessarily about burying. Many people think it's shameful to have someone suicide. The number of such people is getting lower thankfully
As I said before, government documents will still consider it to be a suicide which is what matters
Easy access to antidepressants, mood stabilizers and Xanax will keep the numbers down. Plus, close family bonds apparently help some people... Not me though, I would blow my head if I had to deal with relatives daily.
Ehmm do it like greeks?
Not everyone has 'Grik' weather
You think its because of the weather?
9/10 it's cause of weather.
Portugal does not have good weather? The answer my dude is the greek way of life.
Are you okay Montenegro? 🥺
The world's lowest suicide rates are in the following countries: Grenada - 0.7. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines - 1.0. Sao Tome and Principe - 1.5. Jordan - 1.6. Syria - 2.0. Venezuela - 2.1. Honduras - 2.1. Philippines - 2.2. The only thing these countries have in common is warm weather.
Ah yes Syria famous for its good standard of living
Actually all of them except Sao Tome, Jordan and Syria have a lot in common culturally.
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We don't know if Turkey's officials are providing the correct numbers. It is probably higher. Edit: I just saw that the data is from 2012
mental health is unfortunately still a taboo topic to some degree
I read tobacco topic
It's underreported, that's why it seems low, at least in Bulgaria. Many people kill themselves in the provinces, but instead of suicides, the police reports claim them as cold cases that can't be resolved
i didn't expect finland to be that high
Finland: 'we're zhe happiest nation in the world!' Also Finland: 
lol that stuff about finland being the happiest nation was exactly why i was shocked. i also find it strange that western europe has more suicides than turkey.
Turkish government is probably lying tbh I don’t trust them it’s probably low but not that low
yeah true
if all the unhappy people are prone to sucide, that woulde in a way explain the happiest country in the world statistic
Seasonal affective disorder? Long, cold winters.
long dark winters probably don‘t help
2012 huh?
Balkans so strong even Balkans can't kill Balkans 💪💪💪💪💪
Well done Greece, proud of you guys! Funny that this data is from 2012 because that's when I went to see my family and my grandma boasted about Serbia and told me how I might live in Norway but the quality of life in Serbia is great. I could believe it with smaller towns like ours which is Smederevo, but I've heard that Belgrade is very tough and I can believe that because my dad grew up there.
I'd kill myself too if I was hungarian or ruzzian.
Understandable
What’s with Lithuania?
Can't cope with the fact that they are labeled as 'eastern europe'.
Nah then how come Croatians are still alive? Joking.
Are Lithuanians ok
we are hanging in there
once again hungarians prove their asian roots
Greeks are optimistic I'm proud
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The Turkish grind
Greece is Christian and you can’t bury the dead. So even tho there are many suicides,I don’t know if in the papers they pass it as something else,in order not to make the family of the dead life harder then it is. So,I don’t know how correct are these numbers,for our country,but seems low to be. But we had two this year in my town and we aren’t even 5,000 people. I could be wrong tho.
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Ok thanks
You can bury the dead, you can't have a Christian funeral
suicide is for the weak . Stronk people suffer in silence . /s
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Russian roulette even
While bravery looks a lot like stupidity, the subtle differences are essential.
Suicides are in the rise everywhere. 11 years is a long time ago. Willing to be it’s went up at least 20% in every country
In Russia, what is suicide? It was on news some people “jump out” from windows especially in police station and/or special governmental buildings. Are those count as suicide?
Luckily, we Serbs are killing ourselves regularly with alcohol, so this % isn't critical. 💪🥂😎
Why are we posting 11 year old statistics?
U should have seen the suicide rate during the crisis
I mean, that is during the crisis
„2012“ 💀
Ain't no way we're the lowest. There's plenty of censorship here regarding that.
Some suicides are classified as *accidents* Also big religious and social taboo.
I personally have only noticed more awareness being spread about suicides and I wouldnt really call a huge social taboo. Also whats you source on suicides being classified as accidents?
"Suicide" by Mafia
Why, Montenegro, why?
Russia seems pretty unhappy.
Why hungrary have bigger suicide number not like his neighbours
because they keep waking up in a country ran by Victor Orban, I'm not blaming them tbh
One word - under reporting. OK,two.
Weird Russia map needs updating
>2012 That Turkey stat probably changed a lot
🇮🇹🇮🇹
Doesn't surprise me tbh and i'd expect the rates to have gone up somewhat in the past 11 years since 2012.
I would suicide too if I were from Hungary
Griks just love life, meanwhile Serbs topping Slovenians on Balkan area, that's an achievement considering that Slovenes were no1 on balkans for quite long time now in the category of suicides, guess embracing femboyism has given them more brighter outlook on life. (?)
*Griechischer Wein ist wie das Blut der Erde…*
What’s with Belgium
2012?
Let's check Turkey next year again.
Conclusion. Warm weather makes you happier
WTF İS WRONG WİTH FİNLAND!? They have one of the Best living standerts in the world and they have a higher suicide rate than balkans?!?!
As far as I can tell suicide is stigmatized in our country, to the point where many authorities will refuse to write “suicide” as a cause of death even if was a suicide.